Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 36: Vegan Mice & Flight Delays

Episode Date: July 10, 2024

We’re talking… having food named after you, vegan mice and curry mousetraps, not sticking to a health kick, Haribo addictions, Tom’s delayed flight and an almost missed England match, being a ��pampered luvvie’, toddlers on the tannoy, Rom at the Love Supreme Festival, Tom’s ‘roadie vibes’, more on the Euro performances and social media sleuths. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Shiny Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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We're on Tell Your Friend, Ramesh Ranganathan, Tom Davis. We've come to bring some- Where's that t-shirt from? I like that t-shirt. This t-shirt, Tom, is called the Ramesh Speche. And it is the t-shirt they brought out with that Jimma Yard Yard sell pizza did that one my special yeah yeah yeah yeah so yeah they had a t-shirt merch and your own pizza yeah for a month I mean it wasn't it's not a permanent it's not a permanent addition to the no no a month seven euro I've never had any

culinary food named after me as opposed opposed to, what other type of food would you have named after you, apart from culinary? Look at you, King Zing, Steve Davis' queue is on fire, on in the round. How are you bro, you well? I am really good actually. It's weird because we only spoke We now we're doing these bonuses. Yeah. I mean, it puts a lot of pressure on what happens in between. Do you know what I mean?

Like if you've got a whole week, that's one thing. I'm supposed to on Thursday, but, um, something's well, I'd love to know what you think of this. Okay. So last night we were playing board games. Uh, yeah, we're like a little Ranganathan Sunday thing. And we played this game called Chameleon. Right, OK.

No, no, it wasn't Chameleon. No, it wasn't. It was herd mentality. Sorry, playing herd mentality. So herd mentality, what you have to do is you have to give an answer that you think everyone else is going to give. So the question might be, OK, one of the questions was, if you, if you, if you got stung by a wasp, what would be the best part of the body to, what would

be the best part of the body to get stung on? Right? So you have to try and say the same as everyone else. Cause if you do, you get a point. And what you don't want to do is be the only person that says the odd thing out. Does that make sense? So every time you get, every time you get the majority majority you get a you get a boy Anyway, the reason I bring this up is because one of the questions was if everybody playing were to be turned into mice Who would be the first one to be eaten by a cat? Right. Wow unanimously The family put me down

That's a real slam. Now, listen, I'm not into, you know, traditional ideas of like, the man being the protector. But what my wife and children are saying is that if we were in that situation, I'd be the first one to go. Almost certainly. There's an heir of you that hasn't got the capability to deal with a scenario where as a mouse or as a human being, I mean, do you be stupid enough to try and make friends with a cat maybe? Well, yeah, well, they all started entertaining theories, Tom, actually.

A couple of them said, like a couple of the kids said, well, you know, I just think that you sort of wouldn't be bothered to get out of its way, was one of the things that was said. Theo said, I think you'd be the one most likely to go up and try and wind the cat up. Or I think the cat would find you the most annoying. No, I don't agree with that. I don't know, annoying bit maybe, but not the, I don't think you'd go and wind the cat would find you the most annoying. No, I don't agree with that Annoyed bit maybe but not the god. I think you go and why the cow

I don't think you're that that mouse. I don't think you know I would say you're the least likely to be caught in a trap because you're vegan. It's a fair point. It's a fair point Don't ever became a mouse I would still Maintain that lifestyle because that becomes dip more difficult. Isn't it? There must be vegan mice actually because without my mouse problem the guy said it's worth putting cheese down but also peanut butter for different. Yeah and I think yeah I think that's right I think it's because some of them do follow a vegan lifestyle yeah you're right um I know but some of them don't like cheese right it's a fallacy I think it's like brought on by Disney and people then he's mice like cheese, mice aren't always

about... Do you know what one of the mice's favorite things to eat is? Chocolate bars. Okay, it's not as staggering as I think you thought it was. Mice like chocolate, okay. I thought you were going to say something like Jalfrezi or something. Then I would have been like, oh, that's surprising. I would be interested if mice like... I mean, I'm not taking the risk of giving a mouse, a big jail phrase and seeing what happens at the end of the whole. Oh, do you know? I don't think you can talk some if you were to give, if you were to give a mouse, if you're going to use jail phrase, you're in the trap.

I wouldn't put the entire full tray on the thing. And talk about little bits of it. Yeah. Yeah. But if a mouse has never had spicy food before, it's going to hit them. But what a lesson though. But also it starts them nice with, yeah, but it's hardly a lesson because he gets caught in a trap. Then he's got fucking bad guts. Yeah, that's true.

Burning mouth. Yeah, it's a horrible way to go. Whereas if you started on a sort of like a passive like a coma, that could be quite an interesting thing. Is it a humane trap or is it like a snap trap? I think it's a humane one. I've not been, Catherine's been more involved in this. I know what the answer is to that, then it means it's a horrible trap and you're too scared to say. Was it you talking about the ones that people's feet, the massive feet get stuck to? No, I think that might have been you actually. The glue stuff.

Yeah, yeah, and then they try and gnaw their own legs off and stuff. That's horrible. That's not a way. What is it? 10 to 8. So anyway, that was quite a demoralizing experience for me. And then the other thing that happened was I am really, well I'm going on holiday in a few weeks, Tom. About eight weeks ago, Lisa and I said, let's like really hit the fitness thing and sort of, you know, so that we feel nice about, you know, I just want to be able to- Me and Catherine didn't say, I'm getting really annoyed by this light coming on.

Yeah, I feel like you've switched on a light and now you're closing the blind to reduce the light. It's a real rollercoaster. No, it's, no, because I've got this sun coming in and I don't think... I'm just thinking of when JT puts this up. It's not my best work. I honestly think it's a smart decision to spend two minutes with the actual podcast,

getting the lighting ready for the 30 second clip that we're going to put out. It's a real smart thinking. Is that better for you? Yeah, I can't see your face at all. Well done. I absolutely nailed it. So anyway, so Lisa and I about, what, eight weeks ago said, oh, let's try and hit the fitness thing and try and, I don't know, look, I just want to go swimming with my top off without it being a moment of me

having to really pep myself up to ready myself for it. And that hasn't happened. We're now into the final month of this thing. And the big issue that I'm facing is I can be really good. I can eat really healthily till about 6.37pm and then what happens in the evening is it's an absolute disaster. Genuinely I am undoing all of my good work in about an hour between 6.30pm. Yeah, I get that. Yeah, last night I had a load of cheese and then I fucking...

Was it all the spare stuff from the traps? I was just eating it out of the traps. Just going around doing a mop up. I ate out of the traps. My fingers are down to their knuckles now. They're absolutely battered. The trap fooled me. Just cat going there the next week,

this twat's gonna be full of peanut butter. Licking it out of the fucking tray. Tom's got his right hand stuck on this panel. Is that what you're putting Jalfrezi in there, just saving it for later? Yeah, I'll probably put some Jalfrezi, probably some poppadoms, a couple of naan breads. Do you know what I think the mice would like next, like a bacon salini or something? I've heard they really like them. You know what, actually, what I'm at, I think I might just get a pizza just in case they like Italian food. Get Domino's down here. No, but I sat last night and again, when I tried to do it, me and Katherine

tried to do what you and Lisa are doing, didn't work. The fitness thing is a killer. Last night I sat down, I had a load of cheese and then I had, I literally, I had a whole packet of Mammals, you know, the Haribo things, but the chewing, the whole chewy one. Yeah. Chewy Mammals. I sat eating them while Catherine was watching the Kardashians. I can't, I'm too scared to eat those now, man.

Mate, they're addictive though. I find them terrifying. They are addictive. My issue is they're like Russian roulette as well. You don't know when to swallow. You've no idea what point to swallow. Also Tom, to come out of eating a bag of those with your teeth unscathed, I mean that's the other risk you're running right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What you mean is the fact of your teeth being stuck, like a bit stuck in your mouth. Well they're just, you're just basically eating this thing's just just basically grabbing your teeth and having a wrestle with them every single time you take a bite. There's nothing good I mean they taste amazing but once I

start eating them I can't stop they're so addictive. It's like a sweet sweet crack. Yeah. I was just yeah. So does Grace eat those? No no no no. Grace doesn't have sweets. So you're getting Mao Ams specifically for yourself is that right? I brought them for the play journey because I mean look, yeah, to get on to the I mean, I'd yes Oh, yeah, let's talk about his plane. I mean it was mostly documented on Instagram, but let's um, yeah For the podcast so we'd We arranged to we're coming back from holiday on the Saturday night I did try and change his flight. There's a lot of different reasons why I couldn't change it. There's some family stuff, which we've talked about going on,

that we had to get back for. So yeah, I mean, yeah, it didn't really go down well. I was trying to change the flights. So I could watch an England game from that scenario. Also, our actual flight should have been that I'd land pretty much just after kickoff. Right. And then it got...

I don't know. I got a couple of people message... I got one dickhead message me about this. Yeah, come on. It would be quite aggressive in the fact that... Number one, I will say, first and foremost, the crew on the British Airways flight was absolutely amazing. They were incredible.

They were so lovely, so diligent, amazing with grace. But British Airways just as a thing feels to me that it is slipping downhill a little bit. It doesn't feel like it's the airline it used to be. You think? I sort of agree with you, actually, to be honest with you. I mean, you can see my hesitation because we're now going to for The problem is I'm slightly worried you might have done a an advert for them and that's gonna play straight after this chat But my thing is right it used to be for me it was the the old it was like luxury if you're flying BA on holiday Short haul whatever long haul. I'm really ever been anywhere long haul, but

Short haul it is a it was seen as like that. You know the decadent thing to do The very name British Airways I mean it's like and it now if I wanted I've had a better experience with right there and easy jet in the last couple Of times of flying with them. I think. That's a big shout. I think. What's your, so.

Flight delays. Let's pin this down. They were great with Grace, the crew. Oh, no, no, no. They were lovely to you. The crew on there were absolutely phenomenal. Okay, so what is your beat? Just the delays.

It seems every time that I'm flying with them, and this is like in the last few months with filming or whatever, every time I've flown with them, it feels like the delays are getting longer and longer. It feels that, yeah, they're not. They used to be. They used to be saying that they'd have the hold of the European runways. Right. Maybe it's Brexit. And you said that, OK, that is such that is such a cut.

Oh, the last 10 seconds of you talking has been unacceptable. Maybe it's Brexit. Who said that? OK, that is such a... The last 10 seconds of you talking has been unacceptable. I used to say, sorry, it used to be said they had hold of Europe's airways. What the fuck are you talking about? They had the run of the runways, mate. Do you know what? That sounds like something a pissed England fan says about 10pm. I don't even know what's happened to the country anymore. Do you know how they used to,

do you know how they used to, you know how they used to prioritize the airways, the British airways in the good old days. That's when the continent, neither world knew who we were. But now look at us, waiting for fucking some French air like the Finnish used in the air.

Yeah, go on. Before you fly to, before my friend, Yeah. Right, before you go, you my friend, right, before you go Roy Keane on this, there was a time when at Heathrow and Gatwick, British Airways used to have preference of landing and takeoff times, right?

What does that mean? Like they would be prioritized. The whole point with them was that if you were leaving on landing in Heath, not all European obviously, but if you were like coming from Gatwick, if you were going from Madrid to Milan, there was, we're low down. But if you were leaving or returning,

British Airways at that point, at some point, used to mean that you were prioritized. Something's happened that that doesn't happen. I don't know whether it's conspiracy theory or something, it doesn't happen like it used to though, bro. What do you mean, okay, let me just Google this because it this say it. It's a true thing British Airways You're going as well British Airways. What is it? You're saying runway priority

Yeah, did he throw ATC's give BA takeoff priority? No, well, I haven't had that. Well they don't anymore, hold on, did they ever? I mean I can't see any evidence to support your British Empire comment. It was talk around the manor, people used to talk about it. Anyhow, I digress, I digress. I think that raises a few questions about your manner. But look, it might be the truth. That might be true, okay. So anyway, let's stop my facetious picking at what you said. I don't wanna be too, look, the truth was

it meant I was gonna miss my first England game in 28 years, because the WiFi hadn't been working on the last few flights I've flown with BA. Shout out to the BA staff who got the Wi-Fi working on this. What then happened was there was actually a real, it was quite a unique, quite an amazing way to actually watch the football. It was like a lot of people had their phones on. I watched over some guy's shoulder for a lot of the game, while I was chasing Grace up

and down the plane. And it was actually, it became it became quite a quite amazing actually experience What it's a very different from any way I've ever watched the game before Right quite it was yeah It's quite even I was from workers first half by the way this didn't happen first half was your commentary which was Smart why is it? What do you mean spot? Sorry? I'm trying to watch the fucking game. All right, what do you want me to do? Can I just say this is your commentary? Sorry, I'm trying to watch the fucking game. All right, what do you want me to do? Can I just say, this is your commentary, all right?

Yeah, I saw you, but you didn't. By the way, real dick move to screen grab a private text conversation and stick it on social media, by the way. Absolutely fucking Drake Kendrick vibes. Lucky enough. Drake Kendrick. Oh, I love you. Right, first off I said, can you give me updates on the football during the game?

You said sure thing. I then had to prompt you three times to give me any kind of fee because the whole plane's now waiting because everyone, you know, anything back from you. Right, play better. then you name a player being short then you just say he looks fucked I surprised he didn't throw me under the bus for that one just now look at that then you're waving them I said how's Declan playing he's solid I think he's been good I mean this is the much to go on right Then you give your half time debate half time great half from Maynoe

Sakura's been getting behind Foden playing well. It's been really a really GPPD watching to I've been that was supposed to say good Oh, I've been watching and you know, that's what it's supposed to say But you've got into in two-footed there. Really bad form when somebody makes a mistake like that to go in on one bad at a time. Well, I thought it would be a more detailed, like, you know. Listen, Tom, while I feel sympathy for your situation, I was watching the game with the boys. I haven't got time to just say,

guys, I haven't got time to chat about this. Tom wants a detailed fucking analysis of the game as we go. Yeah, my thing with it is, because you are a very knowledgeable guy when it comes to football. You know your football. I expected sort of a little bit more, like a little bit more sort of in depth, just a little bit. Were you watching, did you watch the highlights? I watched the second half. I got in the second half. Yeah, well you find everything I said was correct, right?

Well to be fair, I thought the first, I've not seen that, I've not even gone back to watch the first half, the second half, I thought from what I hear the first half was a, was a better half than the second half. The second half I thought we, it was, we hung on, we, look, I mean I'm very buzzing, I think the Saka thing was amazing,

Saka's penalty was, I thought all the penalties, I think if we go to penalties with anyone, we beat them there. We look so strong at penalties. Yeah, this has got, this has got Tom getting carried away. What was it? What was the program you went on that you really went in on? How everyone's got to be scared of us? What was it?

What was that? Sky Sports News. Yeah. You know, I got absolutely, I've never, that's the most troll I've ever had from different us. What was it? What was that? That was Sky Sports News. Yeah. You know, I got absolutely, I've never, that's the most troll I've ever had from different European nations. I'm not surprised. I'm not surprised. The amount of Italians who absolutely fucking blitz me on there. Yeah, and rightly so.

It turned out Ili didn't need to be scared of us, did they? No. No. No, no. So you said that some dickhead gave you pelters online about this British Airways flight. Yeah, there was one guy who, there was one guy who just said that, he said something about me being a pampered lovey. Why? Because what had you say that was loveyish? I think because I mean, I don't think it's gauging the mood of nearly everyone on the flight. I think everyone, regardless of whether I'm an actor or whatever I do,

I think everyone was pretty pissed about the situation. And if I was a scaffolder, I would have probably been fucking worse. What was the actual, had the flight not been delayed? By the way, I don't know enough about flights to know, I think there's different reasons flights can get delayed. I mean, is it the airline's fault when a flight gets delayed? Always. To be fair on this one, it was delayed taking off to get over there. Then it gets over. Then a passenger tried, she was thrown up in the airport itself.

She came out onto the runway and she was sick twice. And then she tried to get on the plane. And the stewardesses were like, we can't really take off with you on the plane because if you get worse... So that's why your flight was delayed, is that what you're saying? No, it got further delayed because of this woman being sick. Alright. So that woman was further delayed for it? I wouldn't say that's a sign of British Airways decline, would you? No, no, no, but it was already delayed by an hour at this point. Right, okay, fine. Plus you've got the issue that Britain used to have the run of the airways,

but because of... I think you mentioned Brexit, uh, because of Brexit, we no longer have the power over the airways that we used to do. The power of the European air that we used to. You used to be in charge of the European air, is that what you're saying? No, we used to, I think we used to have, I think we were respected amongst European other flights and yeah. Yeah. Like they knew this is the British, right? Whereas now we don't command that service.

I know, I just think it was a very well-run company. And I will say now, even I think the staff are exemplary. I think they're incredible. I think they're an amazing group of people who work for British Airways. Yeah. I've got to say, every time I'm on a British Airways flight, I look at the stewardesses and the stewards and think,

wow, you're amazing. But I just wish that everything else was... But you'd be happy if the airline... No, no, no. I just want it to be better. It's like when you watch a footballer and you think you really like him, but you just want him to put in a bit more of a shift. Yeah. So had the flight not been delayed, what was the plan to watch the game? I'd have watched it on my iPad. I've left my iPad on the flight as well. That's the end

of the fucking thing. This is great. I left my iPad on the flight as well. I've seen all the fucking things. This is great. I left my iPad on the flight. So if the flight hadn't been delayed the plan was the Wi-Fi would be working you watch it on the plane right? Is that right? Yeah. So what happened was... No, no, no. If the flight was delayed so it just meant if the flight hadn't been delayed I would have got back, got in the car and watching on my iPad. Right, right, right, so you would have been able to watch it on the way back. Yeah. Okay.

As it so happened, I couldn't get on the Wi-Fi on my iPad because Grace was playing this bluey game and she was watching cartoons. What about your phone? My tunes. No, I got on the wifi on my phone, but it wasn't, it wasn't, basically I tried to then put a VPN on so then I could, and then something happened so that I couldn't get on the BBC. So then, yeah, it was just a, it was a fuckfest. Other people seemed, I mean, look man, I will say this, I was there trying to do this, but also probably my bigger job than trying to get the TV, my phone working for the football was trying to look after Grace. Yeah, as is inevitably the way in these stories, my heart always goes out to Kat. What was

she doing while this was going on? If I want to review, you say this, Katherine was looking after you. Katherine had the first 40 minutes of Grace and then I got past Grace for the next hour and 20 minutes whatever oh shots fired okay uh because i quite enjoyed running up and down the front grace by the way has got a new thing where she finds it hilarious to get the the announcement phone to shout down it which the sureness are you winding me up no no no no what so that comes across the tannoy kathryn was furious because she was sitting there chilling, reading her book. And then across the tannoy, she heard Grace just going, mama, dada.

There's a strong argument that part of the reason of the decline of British Air, specifically on that flight, is your family. Look, I think it's fair. You're wondering. I think it's unfair. I think it's unfair for throw Catherine under the bus. Could anybody get this fucking VPN sorted out?

Well, listen, I know you say it's unfair on Catherine. She's got a responsibility to manage you. There's an argument that she... Well, what was worse is then Grace, even as a two and a half year old, then found another little lad who was about the same age. She then showed him how to get the tannoy and then was sort of encouraging him to do it. What are you doing during the supervision of a child that she's got time to teach another

child how to use the phone and then get on the tannoy? Well, I was watching the England game over the shoulder. I was quite close but it was... Yeah. Yeah. If I'm honest with you, I would say that the stewardesses at first found it quite funny but then obviously more and more passengers were getting annoyed about the fact that Grace was garbling.

Because everyone thought when the tannoy was coming on it would be an announcement of a score for the people who hadn't got VPN or got phones. Tom, if that, look, I love you, you're my brother, you're my kin, I love the bones of you. But if I was sat on a plane and a kid got on the Tanoi phone, the first time I go, oh that's funny, if they did it again, I think I would turn to Lisa and go, what the fuck is wrong with these people? What the, what, why can't they fucking sort that out? That's probably what I would do.

And I think that's probably what a lot of people did. Yeah, yeah, quite a few people, but also the fact is that if she didn't have the Tanoi phone, she'd then throw a tantrum, and I think actually having the Tanoi phone is less aggressive than the tantrumoy phone, she'd then throw a tantrum. And I think actually that having the tannoy phone is less aggressive than the tantrum. Well, what I would say is what you're doing is, is you're taking a problem that's yours

and you're making it a problem of the entire plane. Yeah, I admit that. That's not a good look. You're sort of looking at an option, either I'm annoyed and this is tricky, or the whole flight is disrupted and you've gone for the last time. I find the tantrums quite amusing sometimes, more than annoying.

I find them quite, yeah. I sort of try to sort of simmer it down with a bit of laughter and a bit of banter, rather than being too frustrated by it. Yeah. But then we landed, I got to watch the penalties in the airport by a baggage reclaimer with Jim in the car, so it was pretty amazing. Gracie's obsessed with Jim, by the way. In what way? Because you see him so much. You're always hanging out. You're always doing social stuff together. I imagine you've grown into a baby set have you?

I might do because she keeps saying for that holiday I miss Jim. I was like yeah. I started worrying that maybe Jim's coming around more than I think. Well I mean it's both a compliment to Jim and an insult to you. I mean, the fact that when she sees Jim is in the car, when she sees you is all the time. She's on holiday with her mum and dad and she's missing the guy that drove her to the airport. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah, yeah, it's not a good look. Yeah, yeah, it's not a good look. I had a bit of, well, me and Martin Too Smooth DJs love Supreme Pistol. You're becoming, like you're starting to, I'd say you're slipping into a place where musician or DJ is going to be on your resume, right?

No, I mean, basically we just got booked to do this radio to take over. Yeah but recently you're doing the DJing on the, you're making your mixes and stuff on your laptop. You're starting to do these live music events. Yeah. But there's a time when the crossover is going to be for real bro. No, the music production thing. If you don't do a gig in the next week you are more of a musician than a stand-up comedian. Right, it will be that. Comedian Tom Davis and musician Ramesh Ranganathan.

Well, first of all, the music production is for when this inevitably dries up, this comedy. Do you know what I mean? So that's my... Can I just say, by the way, I've watched some of your gigs and they look like the music stuff, they look amazing. You're a fucking amazing stand-up comedian, right? I wouldn't be banking on the fact that's going try. I think it's great you do both things What if I was sitting at a table with you Right, and I was looking at a man with 22 cards and then watch him go, you know, I'm gonna twist No, do you know what? So Love Supreme, the crap, if you were at Love Supreme,

I don't know how many people, it's a jazz festival, so I don't know how many people that listen to this would be at that festival. Me and Martin put on a, did like this two, hour and a half hip hop set. And, but this is embarrassing. So Martin did this big intro, you know what Martin's like? Like get ready, hosting your journey for hip hop tonight.

Robert Shang and Nathan, I walk on, we start the first song. I get very carried away and start getting into it. And then the decks break down. Just suddenly Stagg starts playing through the speakers. All right. It's really embarrassing. Crowds start booing in sort of a panto way. No, they're not being aggy. We get started again, it happens again. So then I have to go off, I don't have to, but Martin goes, I think,

let's just step off for a minute. So I had to get a mixer from another tent and put it in place, right? So then we get the mixer set up and then we start again. We then do the set and the crowd were amazing, it was all good. I know I shared some of the videos because I wanted people to I just wanted to people to see how But I find the videos

What I'm doing what I look like in my head when I'm doing it and what it actually looks like it couldn't be Further apart in my head. I look like cool as fuck Do you know I mean like leading the crowd in this when I watch it just some tragic man that's accidentally wandered on There's a coolness to what you're doing. I think there's a coolness to what you do. I think you look quite cool I think there's a coolness to what you do. I think for me and you I would say I mean look you're a lot more musically Fucking sound than I am Like there's no doubt in my mind, you're a lot more musically fucking sound than I am. Like there's no doubt in my mind that you look a lot cooler than I ever were doing that. You fucking, you've got rhythm, you can dance, you know, you've got, you can do the shoulder thing quite well. Yeah. All right. Okay. Well now it looks like I'm sort of pandering for this kind of praise.

No, no. I would say the only problem that you have, like I have, is a lot of this will probably be encouraged by alcohol. Yeah well actually I've realized that that's a problem. I had one drink and then I am... See one drink doing that I would be so stiff. I'd love to see you do it. I'd love you to do the next one with me. Could I bring you on as a little cameo thing? We'd bring you on for like one song, like a song that you like. That would be awful. I'd have to get so leathered. Okay. It'd be funny. The idea, yeah, but that would be like a panto character that's sort of like-

Email in. If you want to see Tom appear at our next little live DJ set. You know, I'd come along just to hang out with you and fucking Martin. That'd be an absolute honour. I'd actually come along and be a roadie. If that's because you have roadies. If you don't mind me saying you really have got a roadie vibe about you. That's pretty well a nice thing you've ever said to me. Okay, I think by the way, that there's a world where I'd like to see that what you're doing there but with comedy as well. Like music comedy. I know you had that with your gig, but a bit more of that sort of stuff. I think it's quite... We tried to do that.

But what didn't it all do? Years ago, we did this gig called Dong, which is like hip hop and comedy mixed together. It was all right. It was fine. It sort of worked. We've got comedians coming on doing hip hop themed sets. We had DJs in between and stuff like that. I mean...

You know what I was doing? I miss... I was... And I'll go back and watch it when it was some of my favorite stand-up Def Jam I look at that I just think but it's like that's just such a fire that Bernie that Bernie Mac laugh he was my god you motherfuckers he's my god Bernie Mac oh my Chris Tucker as well back in those days yeah yeah mate those some of those sets are unbelievable, man.

So good. Just like, yeah, it's kind of part of the thing that got me into stand-up, I think, though. Same. Watching those. Same. ["Dreams of a New World"] Can we, we mentioned it briefly. I just want to say, but Kai Osaka scoring the equalizer

and then getting the, and scoring that penalty. I, I know that we're football fans and so we're slightly biased, but after what happened to that kid, essentially, I know he's in his early 20s now, but he was 19 when he missed the penalty. I honestly, man, I actually felt emotional for him. Like it was, he's such a great, he's such a great example of like, you know, you know, people think, have these stereotypes about what football is like, which I don't agree with, but they do have this.

But Kai Osaka, if you were to pick out somebody as the antithesis of that, as a person that you go, look, this is somebody who's grounded, who just loves what they do, and has dealt with, I mean, I don't even know what his social media would have looked like after he missed that penalty. It's disgusting, the treatment that he and the others got after missing last I thought was amazing was the was like Sancho's response.

Yeah. Yeah. I thought that for him to miss out, especially after the end of the season, he had a dormant and not a squad. I mean, he's really to be. Yeah. For him to be like strong enough of self to put that up and say like, you know, you did it for me and Marcus. I actually was just like, but you know what, when you watch that, I thought all of them, I thought Trent, Bellen and all of them, I mean, Cole Palmer, man, that kid, still it demonstrates to me that

we were so close to signing in at West Ham, we didn't, but I think it actually really ignited something, just watching them as young men go up, the spirit that they had to sort of go up and do that. I still don't think this has been the best tournament. I still think it's been a pretty average tournament, I think as a whole. I will say as well I felt a weird thing of watching, I don't know if you watched the Portugal game, but the slamming that Ronaldo started having with the crying after he missed his penalty and everything. And I think it was a weird thing to watch on the basis of a lot of people went really

big in on him, right, at that point, about him making it all about himself. I sort of was like, I don't really agree with the fact that that was about himself. I think it was about him missing the penalty. I think he knows it's probably his last tournament. And I think he just felt obviously bad, but I think we, we spend so much time talking about men being like one with their emotions and showing a bit of emotion. And when someone actually steps forward and does it, and I don't think for a second, I think there's so many

different areas of what you hear about Ronaldo as a person but I think he clearly loves his country, he clearly wanted a... I've never seen anyone in any football game I've watched football my whole life, ever, ever watch the match with someone who was so, so wanted a score. It was like you know like when you're a kid and you're playing and you're literally just trying to give the ball to the person who has it. I mean, I was that kid, but try anything you can just to get that person to score. It's such a weird thing of like, and I think you know this as an Arsenal fan, but that Arsenal fan TV, I think we're probably culpable of this. Slamming

stuff and being harsh on stuff, fucking what I've just done with British Air, but you get so many more views when England were playing badly and everyone going in on England. The whole nexus of everyone just going in on them was getting so much more, and that's not just England, by the way, that's clearly Portugal, it clearly happens in Germany, it clearly happens everywhere.

It's such a strange thing, isn't it, just this social media juggernaut that sort of goes along with what used to be just sitting in a pub watching it and leaving a like you as fans you'd leave leave the ground or you'd leave wherever you watch it leave your mate's house and then you might talk about it in the next day but then it was pretty much the the overall arching thing now of everything that you save and I've been the culprit of this so I'm not having to you know of and I've been the culprit of this, so I'm not having to, you know, of turning around and saying, oh, you know,

this was shit or we didn't play well, whatever. It's there forever now. And it's that thing for you to, it's constant that people feeding it in and feeding in. I find this sort of hatred towards Southgate. I find if you don't agree with his football methods, I think that's fine. Look, I think being like,

we're all, everyone's going to have an opinion. The thing I find is if I hear one other person, no matter how many times when we're watching it abroad, you'd hear some fucking wanker go, yeah, yeah, he wears a fucking helmet on a peloton. I was like, that's not your joke, you someone else crack made that joke. You've heard it somewhere and you've said it three times. A couple people laughed the first time because they hadn't heard the person who originally said it. But it's not your joke and you're now walking around saying it to everyone. And the fact is, if he wasn't playing, if you look at every team in this tournament, besides Spain, this isn't a football podcast,

I apologize, but it's probably a wider thing. It's everyone's playing defensive football. It's how football's played at the moment. Everyone's playing these a low block. There's no one playing open football. So it's just this idea. It's just garrison. I just find that sort of, yeah, quite toxic. Well, I mean, I feel like in that kind of monologue you just delivered there,

you've you've you've talked about three. I think there's three different issues in terms of like people going in on teams or managers or whatever. It's, it is a product of social media, but it happened before social media or before social media got really big in this way. But like on, on sport radio, they know that you'll get more attention if you say something extreme, like a nuanced take is not going to, is not going to get people phoning in, is not going to get people like foaming at the mouth in the way that they want.

So they'll say something like, do you think, I believe, look, I've just watched England and I'm going to say it, I think they need to fire Garosalfgate now, immediately, mid-tournament, right? They'll say something like that. And whether they fully agree with it or not, because that is a mad thing to say, they know that that'll get traction.

And that's what happens on TikTok, on YouTube, or whatever. They just know that if they say, you have to, we're in this thing now where there's so many different ways of getting these opinions and information, that you have to say something that puts you above and beyond everything else, the white noise of everybody talking about it. And that's kind of what people tend to do. They tend to go for the extreme thing. With regards to Cristiano Ronaldo, I saw this video, I watched this video, this takedown on Cristiano Ronaldo. And I feel like,

look, there is no denial, I think, and I'm saying this as somebody who doesn't know him, there is no denying that that guy from the hero worship saying this to somebody who doesn't know him, there is no denying that that guy, from the hero worship that he's got, he's got an arrogance to him, right? There's definitely an arrogance to him. The thing that I would say is that arrogance is born from every sports person has to be a bit arrogant. If you don't go into a tournament,

or a thing going, I'm gonna be one of the best players here, we're gonna win the tournament, then you haven't got what's required to give it a go. Do you know what I mean? You know, you have to... These dogs are going batshit, man. Ben, you can't... You know, you have to have a bit of arrogance, you have to have a bit of narcissism,

going, we're going to win this, regardless of what your situation is. And Cristiano Ronaldo is somebody who, at what, is he 39, 40 now, right? He knows that's his last tournament. He has devoted every minute of every day of his life to maintaining his physique, to maintaining his fitness so that he can play at the highest level. And he's now playing in his, probably his last tournament for Portugal

and it didn't go well for him. Of course that guy's gonna be upset. Like, I just think that, of course that guy's going to be upset. Like I just think that I get that that guy's going to be like, of course he's going to be upset, right? And then I saw on this video they were going and then the camera pans to Ronaldo and he's crying. He's not directing the coverage. Do you know what I mean? He's a newsworthy guy and that's why they do that. But Ronaldo, it's not his fault that they go to him.

It's not his fault that they're taking all the photos. Now, is there an argument that he should be going around as the elder statesman of the team, sort of pumping up the tires on the younger players because they're the ones that like need a bit of support? Maybe but I've got no idea, neither does anyone else, what he's doing behind the scenes. We've got, you know, we don't know what his relationship is with those young players. You don't know, do you know what I mean? So I just think it's a really tricky one. And then the final point I would say is whatever you think of what Gareth Safgate is doing, right?

And look, I'm not saying that I've agreed with all the decisions he's made. The fact of the matter is, I'm a stand-up comedian. I don't devote my life full-time to trying to manage a football team. I don't devote my life to working on strategy and stuff. The arrogance to think that you're gonna, you know, the idea that, the comments I hear, they don't want it enough. What the fuck are you talking about? They don't want it enough.

Sorry, what are you saying? That England are walking out and they're like, oh, I don't give a fuck about this. What are you talking about? They obviously want to win. Whether it looks like that to you because they're struggling in the match, they're not doing that because that's not happening because they can't be asked. They're trying to beat an international side in a European tournament. It's so...

Also, the record of it is insane. It's the same Gareth Southgate's record. It's insane. Yeah, you look at it compared to what... I think people forget, and I'm not I'm not a Garosavka Apologist, but I think people sometimes football fans forget what England looked like before we arrived I genuinely think that This is nothing against well Hudson because it was a I think of more

You know, I think the players that we've got a different but it also if he was going kung-ho out there We were literally just fucking attacking, attacking and getting smashed fucking four, four, three, but fucking people would go, they're running around like endless chicken, mate. They've got no discipline in the team. It's you're damned if you do, you're damned if you don't. Yeah.

I will say, by the way, while we're talking about social media, I think it's blown my mind. Have you, this whole Jay Slater thing, this kid that's gone missing, which is an awful thing, obviously. Have you watched any of the TikTokers who have come? Oh, I've gone out looking for them.

Yeah. It's insane. There's a guy, have you heard of a guy called Simple Simon? I've heard the name, but that is my favorite. I think he lives near you, actually. I think he's from near you. He went out to Tenerife and his daughter to try and find Jay Slater. It's arguably some of the most, it's an insane

insight into what people will do for views. What people will, at what level are you buying a ticket to another country to go and find someone that the police are struggling to find, hoping I guess that you find him and then you get a load of more views, whatever. But it doesn't feel like there's a, you know that sort of thing of going, oh this'll be quiet, I'm gonna go and help

because I think I really want to find this kid. I'm gonna go and help because I, I think that's a decent thing to do. It feels like you're going, well, this will get more views. I'm really struggling. Can I just play devil's advocate for a second? Is there a possibility that these guys are thinking, I can go out and help, and there are people that will be

worried about Jay Slater, so I want to keep people updated on what's going on? I mean, is there a possibility that it comes from a good place? But those updates are coming from the news, and that's coming from, I think if you're going out and you're, if you're doing a video going, I'm heading out to try and find Joe Slater

and then, especially when you watch a lot of these people and realize that whatever this fucking Zeitgeist or whatever the thing going on at any one time is the thing that they're jumping on, you realize that it's, I don't know. I actually really think, I mean, TikTok, I've had to sort of, I genuinely had to go, right, during the holiday I need to stop this.

You've gone cold turkey. Mate, I've had to. It was taken over my life. Yeah, yeah, it's tricky. The fact I know most of these people I wouldn't even fucking talk to or be near in a pub. And now I've started taking over, infiltrating my day. Like, there's times where I'll sort of be sitting there watching TV thinking,

I wonder what so and so is up to. I'll check in on this TikTok. Yeah, that is a nice initiative. Well, look, Tom, yeah, it's about that time my guy. It's been an absolute chock-a-block episode, hasn't it? Yeah, we've chatted about a lot of different stuff. Yeah, entertaining. I'm still fantasizing about next week when we're together.

Oh God, we've seen each other for three days, haven't we? Yeah, it's gonna be luxurious. And then the week after we're together as well. Are we? Yeah, on the 22nd. Oh yeah, we are. Oh, yeah. Yeah. The 22nd. Oh, yeah, we are. Okay. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Very exciting. Yeah. All right, Tom. Do us the honor of taking us out, please. My G salads, shoes and some people call them casserole was a healthy diet. Well, it can be many different things. Some

people say variety is the source of life. When it comes to what you're eating as a culinary display, maybe that's the most important thing. Yeah, some days you feel like a carrot with a little bit of chicken, some stock all chewed together, and it becomes so moist, it just blows your mind. Some days you fancy that little crunch of lettuce. But let me tell you something. That's not just a message about food, friends. It's a message about everything in your life. Let the variety spread wide and spread fast. Let the variety be in the people that you chat to, the opinions in which you're gone. Let

the variety be in the clothes that you wear. It's nice to wear a pair of black slacks and a white t-shirt, but by God, it's nice to pull on a pink pullover. The point about life is trying different things and experimenting. Sometimes it's nice to hold hands with brethren that you've never talked to, but it's also nice to put your arm around some kin that you know well and you know the subtle feeling of their shoulder. It feels good in your hand. What I'm asking you to do is experiment a little bit.

When you go to a restaurant, just say, hmm, I've never tried aubergine before. Give me one of those. And if you go to a pub and you see someone sitting alone, maybe go over and go, hey, I hope you're not a psychopath. Mind if I pull up a pew, friend? It's easy to live life with blinkers on. But sometimes when you take those blinkers off

and you see that the sun is shining and there's a smiling face upon a stranger, it's a pretty amazing thing friend. So here's all the love going out to the people from BA 491. We sat on that flight, we watched England go together in weird circumstances. But you know what? We bonded as the sun shone and then went down upon Europe, friendships were made. And England won again on penalties. Love people. If you were on that flight that Tom's just numbered, I'd love to know what your experience was of being on the flight with Tom Davis.

Please do get in touch. Wolfoutpod at gmail.com. JT, I discovered a rapper, he's relatively new I think. I think his first album came out last year. That Mexican OT. Oh, I love his stuff man. I've watched him after he put his, yeah. Yeah, he's got an album, the latest album is called,

what's his latest album called? His latest album's called Texas Technician, but I'd love JT to play a song from his previous album, it's called Briannon, that Mexican O.T., I'm a big fan. Guys, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Thanks, friends. Hope you enjoyed it. Take care of yourselves. I'm not sure how to end this, Tom. I mean, I don't know what I'd do.

I'll end it with this. Never stay. Never stay. Okay, great. See stay. Never stay. See you later guys. Bye. I wouldn't get you payment if you paid me And my other partner just dry ass lying, I know he a copper He made me wanna sharpen a two-brush, stick the blade through his items out I'm not innocent, I did it when dabble But eat cold, I done eat the apple Mowling, soak the fence, mechanism is lay they face inside the gravel I had to leave, cause she was too much to handle Running from love, got no stamina, was talking by changing pamphlets Now it's just me

Now it's just me