Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 53: Willie Giggles & A Hot Rom Drop

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

We’re talking… permanent tiredness, always finding Willie funny, nicknames and coming up with TV character names, a big Arsenal day out, football bullies and Tom’s top 25 ex-footballers, a very careful chat about the latest P-Diddy allegations, Rom’s DMC finals drop for Revrt, an upcoming trip to Australia and what might happen if the podcast ever ended? Then we answer a few more of your emails, this time a question about collapsing chairs (and a few other on-set disasters) and a request for some advice about a relationship problem. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Are you drinking a coffee? Yep. That's my friend. That's the thinking man's coffee. Is it? Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Whenever I see some of it, like if I see the bathroom, then what shop window I look in and I love appearing just to see what the demographic of people is in there. what shop window I look in and I like appearing just to see what the demographic of people was in there. As we as we started the podcast, obviously, we had our usual pre chat. Yeah. As soon as we clicked record and started doing it, my tidiness levels went through the roof. And by the way, yeah, I don't know what happened. I just suddenly became overwhelmed by a need to sleep. And I have now accepted that I am going gonna be tired for the rest of my life.

That's over the last two, three weeks. Probably since I've come back from holiday, I've woken up going, I feel a bit knackered today. I'll probably get an early night tonight. And then I sort of get that early night. And then I wake up the next day and I feel the same. And now I think this might be just my life. Would you know, I've recently now got to a point

where it's like two o'clock in the afternoon for it, and I'm like, I just need to sleep, I need like a nap. Yeah, I've been napping. Yeah, it's insane. And then I read things that apparently napping isn't really good for you, because it prohibits the sort of actual sleep you have that night.

Well, do you want to know the tip that I read? Is that you set an alarm for between 20 and 25 minutes. Yeah. You drink a cup of coffee. I think I'm sure I've told you this before. I'm almost certain I've done this before. Knock back the coffee, go to sleep, the coffee kicks in at 25 minutes in and wakes you up

and apparently brings you out of the nap and you feel refreshed. Is it alright? I'm saying that as somebody that's just said, I'm permanently tired. So take from that what you will in terms of how good that advice was. I had a real awful nightmare that gave me the willies

last night and I was like, up from 10 past three till five o'clock. Do you know what's sad about that is the little grin that came across your face when you said it gave me the willies and you say please, you wanted a reaction from me. I know, but you were too good,'re too gracious you're too decent. It's not gracious it's just what you want this to become us giggling about you saying the willies and it wasn't even something that

accidentally came to you I think you might have teed up from before we even started the pod. I still find the word willy really funny I don't know like you say any other word from any swearing word but I don't know what Willie just is a funny word But if I meet anyone called Willie, I'm in pieces I can't I can't hold it in. Thank thankfully don't live in the 1830s But you still best allowed there if you want to find them Well, there's Williams aren't there but I assume there are Williams out there that unfortunately have got the indignity of bumping into you and then you're going oh you're a funny

you know what a funny abbreviation of your name is? Willie. People ever call you Willie? No, nobody's ever called me that. I sort of deliberately avoid it.. Well, I'm going to call you that, is that all right? Yeah, not really. No, all right, Willie. All right, Willie's getting a bit worked up. Willie's getting a bit worked up. Oh, look at here, Willie. Bit of an angry Willie here we've got.

Bit of a ferocious Willie. Fiery Willie. Yeah. Anyway, gone. Because names like William, that's starting out, right? Or is it coming? Willie, actually, Grace has got a kid called Billy, I like Billy by the way, I think Billy is a really strong name. That's short for William right? Yeah yeah yeah that's I guess the thing isn't it, because Billy's got nothing to do with William, but it's almost like

people got completely fucking, a lot we can't call kids Billy anymore, so just went bam we're gonna go with Billy, even though B's not even in the name William. It's not even remotely closer than that, yeah. Are you under the impression of delivering new information? You're saying it like it's a revelation. You delivered it like it's such a, interesting fact for you, Billy short for William, the letter B's not even in William.

Did you think that was a fucking mic drop moment? No but I'm just saying it's insane. Who's the first person who's come up with that? Do you know what I mean? And put the, you know, oh your name's William let's just shorten that to Billy. It's like that's fucking insane. That's like going oh your name you're not just shorting that to Tom. If I said that to you, you go, Oh, fuck off, mate. That's fucking dizzy. Do you want me to do one of your cool words? Is your name Thomas? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Okay. Thomas Michael. Okay. Because there's a thing now of just like giving your kids the abbreviated name is our actual name, right? So for example, Theo is Theo. He's not Theodore. Oh, it's best if you go. Yeah, Alex is Alex. He's not Alexander Okay Charlie Charlie is not he's not Charlie. He's not Charles. Oh, but that's Charles Charles Do you call him a he'd he'd own the name Charles if I was gonna say? Start getting that in cuz that'd be a cool nickname from us secondary school. Charles sounds like somebody you put in a barbecue.

No it doesn't, Charles. I've got loads of mates called Charles. I've got four mates called Charles. You've got loads of mates called Charles? Yeah but they're not called Charles are they? They're called Charlie or no actually one of them actually is called Jamie but we call him Charles. Okay so they're not called that are they? It's like going oh yeah you know Dickhead's quite a common name actually. I've got three of my mates called Dickhead regularly. going out yeah Dickhead's quite a common name actually I've got three of my mates and call Dickhead regularly. What about Little C that could be quite cool for him. Yeah it's not bad, Little C. Yeah sounds a bit like Elsie if you say it really.

Yeah names I love names names is my favourite. When I write the script my favourite part of it is names, naming the characters. I always name it after people I know. Do you? I don't know if that's a lack of imagination, yeah. Oh man, oh no, no, no, I love sitting there. I like to go through and look at weird variables, like names I've never heard of.

Yeah. How long did it take you to come up with the exotic name Stuart Williams? That was very quick. By the way, actually, James DeFond just recently did a podcast, very good listening, where he says actually quite clearly for any... because I know you debate this quite a lot, that that part was 100% written for you. He's like, when we were doing

King Gary and we sat there and we were working out who the parts were, like we always knew it was Laura Checkley, Ramesh Ranganathan, Simon Day, Neil Maskell, they were always the names in our heads for the people who wanted to build the world around. So it's there. He's there. Okay. What's one of your best friends has backed up your story? Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You know, Jack, can I just say, by the way, he is one of my best friends as a you my lesion.

Right? Lesion? So I meant my liege. you my lesion right right lesion so about my leash we got into a word of abbreviation mistakes it leash it's not short for lesion or is it you've got me confused it's not lesion is no no no no that is my own sort of like cut or yeah I think lesion is what Tom Hanks that's how you hear that he had a Philadelphia got an area of abnormal or damaged tissue in the body that can be Yeah, I think lesion is what Tom Hanks had at age in Philadelphia. Oh no, God. It's an area of abnormal or damaged tissue in the body that can be caused by injury, infection or disease. Yeah.

Christ. That's what you just called me. No, I meant my leech. Anyway, you know as well as I do... A loyal subject. A feudal... gone sorry you know as well as I do that James DeFront is not gonna be backing me up he's like you he will very much go in rather than go then back up when come come behind your laws yeah oh my god you really fucking stumbled you won't be that It's early in the morning, my brother. Yeah, it is early in the morning. My lesion. No, I know. My warts. Yeah, but to be like, genuine, I don't think...

That's where you've got your wart and then you've got ward. They're two different things within the... Oh, God, that's a good point. Yeah, yeah. Might have been what I was going for. Yeah. What... I actually thought you were pranking me when you told me Stuart Williams was written for me.

No, no, no. By the way, King Gary, somebody came up to you yesterday and said they'd just started watching King Gary. Yes, slightly frustrating they didn't do that fucking four years ago when it was out, so it would have been recommissioned. Where does it go from here? I'll tell you where it goes. Almost five years later, people find it. And unfortunately, it has no effect upon our careers. The Matter is Successful has that vibe, where people come out, oh gosh, I've seen your new show on Netflix.

I'm like, it's not a new show, it's like nearly 10 years old. It's, yeah, yeah. Can we talk a little bit about the football? Yeah. I watched Arsenal Man City twice on Sunday. Wow. Because I went to the Emirates to watch Arsenal ladies take on Man City ladies. How was that game? Was it a score there?

Two all. Wow. It was two all. So it mirrored perfectly. What I mean is both games finished two all. But it was a great day out. Who did you go with? It was a great day out. Who did you go with? It was a great day out. Lisa.

Nice. Charlie. Alex. Flo was there. Lovely. One of your favorites. And another one of your favorites was there. Suzy Ruffall.

Oh, the Ruffmeister. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was- Friend of the show, Suzy Ruffall. Is she friend of the show? Oh, she's our friend, isn't she, Suzy? Yeah. We both friend. Yeah. No, no, no. Friend of the show. Normally when you say friend of the show, that means they've been on the show. So we have no friends

because we've only got one friend. Jeremy Redknapp, the only person who's ever been on the show. And I was at the cluster. That was a clusterfuck by the way. Actually speaking of friends, speaking of friends of the show, by the way, can I just say Erling Harland's conduct in that second. Sorry was I in the middle of, was I literally just starting. We've done 400 episodes you know that I'm gonna interrupt you can't stop we start talking about the football can I just say Erling Harland, great goalscorer, someone needs to put him up about his

behavior at the end of it he's become very disingenuous this season. Well disingenuous is one way of, through the ball at,. He's become very disingenuous this season. Well, disingenuous is one way of describing it. Through the ball at... Gabrielle's head. Gabrielle's head, yeah. And then flattened Thomas Partey at a restart. Yeah. And he's not facing any punishment for it.

I mean, listen, I don't want to get into partisan football things, but what the fuck is going on? But also, you know, no, this isn't about football. He seems like a sort of, you know, like a, Grace has just started nursing, you've got three kids at school. He seems like a kid whose you know like a great she's just started nursery you've got three kids at school he seems like a kid whose parent the parents are just a wall and he's just doing whatever he fucking likes and he

can get away with whatever he wants and he's just making other kids lives an absolute hell well he's a horrible little bully Wow well that is that is full-on yeah you know but also he's got a very like bullying like just just his whole like look it's quite like if I was gonna like cast someone in as a school bully and I saw you I wrote that was me and you look me and you as kids I would and so when I learned in Ireland wants to do acts I go cast him he'd be brilliant because he looks exactly like what a bully should oh what you've really going in on it, aren't you?

But do you not think footballers, oh, I'm just trying to call me. Do you not think footballers? They're just they're like whenever I meet a footballer that isn't like a prick and that is to be fair to them Most of them that I've met I'm surprised not surprised But I think it's amazing because they are sort of brought up to be pricks I mean what I mean is the system is Like a prick generation system in terms of like they're given whatever they want because when as soon as they display some sort of talent They're sort of immediately surrounded by like yes, man. Whatever. Yeah, they're given whatever they want They're paid shit loads of money. They can have whatever they want. They're given everything free

They're infantilized in terms of their treatment of like, you know But that is that is a way of making somebody a horrible person Yeah, but like I number one I agree most most of the footballers I've met and like you've been fortunate enough to me a number Over the years, I'd say 95% of them have been decent enough guys and girls. They're talented but also I'd say, yeah, whenever I'd say this, obviously there's a few that come to mind that have been utterly fucking horrible. But my point with Erling Haaland, Erling Haaland wasn't, this isn't like, he wasn't that guy before. He wasn't showing those symptoms of bulliness and brashness. He had a little vibe about him, but it feels like this,

I don't know if he's just felt like he's, I don't know. There's just something more to, there's something he's developed. It's all, you know, like in Stranger Things. Like when that bug or that little fucking, whatever it's called, gets into that kid's head, all right? Yeah. That's what it feels like Ellen Harland said something like that's happened to him well I just think he's like you know he wants to win this now I guess that's what

happens yeah I can't relate to it because I've never wanted to win anything but oh come on come on you and your upload comedy awards all those years ago you know this is how I know you don't know me. I was not pent up in the slightest. I was basically just going on, I'd better get found out here. That was the main emotion I was struggling with. Can I say by the way, this is the trippiest I've ever seen you for this time of the morning. Your go-to is an amazing Burberry hoodie like that, which is a beautiful bit of fabric

and the emergence of the hood coming from the sort of sheer blackness of the fucking, the main body. It's very, very cool. I like it, man. Is it, Tom? Because let's just talk about the background of this hoodie. It was bought for me as a present by my lovely wife, the swan.

Shout out to the swan. Shout out to the swan. And then I wore it, I can't remember what it was, I think it might have been a TV record or something. I wore it and Lee said, are you wearing the hoodie I bought you? I said, yeah. She gets very paranoid, Lee,

so I don't know if Kat does this, that I don't like the stuff that she's bought me. No, it always is. So very much as soon as she's bought something for me, it's being monitored to see if it's being utilized, right? So I wore the hoodie. Yeah. And then when I came home, she said to me,

did you get any compliments about your hoodie? I said, well actually, it's funny you say that. I saw Tom Davis, you know, your favorite Tom. And she goes, yeah, oh oh god what did he say he must have liked it and I said yeah he called me Gary Neville. Can I just say right Gary Neville number one has got his shit together like fashion wise he's actually looking pretty dapper these days but he obviously quite a lot of the times now frequents a Burberry vibe he wears a lot of Burberry

yeah he wears a lot of Burberry a lot of Stone Island oh frequents a Burberry vibe. He wears a lot of Burberry. He wears a lot of Burberry, a lot of Stone Island. Oh, by the way, I saw an interview with Gary Neville. I really like Gary Neville. I made a comment a while ago about he always makes me think that he doesn't wipe his bum properly. Right? Yes, you did say that. And when I look at him now, I sort of know why I feel bad about saying that. I still think he probably doesn't. I still think that sort of like, yeah, number one I feel bad about saying that, still think he probably doesn't. I still think that's sort of like, yeah, that's over there. But I do really like Gary Neville. I think actually he's very good comedically. I actually rate the fact he is always happy to be the whipping boy on that podcast that he over. Yeah, it's sort of weird to sort of start an apology for how you've spoken to about somebody and then insult them twice again in quick succession. No, but I like it. I've genuinely, I actually, you know what, I think, yeah, I've got all

the time for the work. He's probably in my top 25 footballers now, ex-footballers. Top 25? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, that's fucking amazing list to be in. Think about all the cool players and fucking cool guys. Is it an amazing list to be in when players look back at their career trophies, Tom Davis's list of favourite footballers that he can happen to remember at the time of talking? Yeah, and he was pretty...

What I would say is you're under the impression that you've complimented him. I would say you've gone in two-footed on him. No, listen, fucking... Mate, how many people have played football? Loads, right? He's fucking probably mate, how many people have played football? Loads, right? He's fucking probably 24th or 25th on that list. Great. And that, by the way, is personality alone. A lot of people are just fucking there because they have their merits on the pitch.

You know, he's there personality alone. His merits on the pitch, obviously, one loads of stuff, good right back, but no, he'll be the only right back on that list. OK, well there you go. That's something. I'm sure when this goes out tomorrow, they'll all be sat around waiting for the news. I've heard rumors. I've heard rumors that Tom Davis names me as 24th favorite footballer. Let's just see if it's true. We'll fucking fist pump him. Woo-hoo!

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when before we started recording this podcast, you said, are we allowed to talk about Diddy? So it's very hard, like, because it's everywhere now, right? And like, if I was with you, it feels, it would feel disingenuous because you are, I'd say in the, you know, you're one of Britain's most prestigious hip hop analysis, right? Okay? Not true, but anyway, go on.

Right? And I'm not, yeah, I know a little bit about the vibe, but I'm not as learned as you by any means, but, but yeah, I just wanted that like it literally blows my mind how the level of this shit is insane It's like saying that I'm a fucking film or a Netflix show Which by the way, apparently is gonna because 50 cents old documentary Yeah, that's 50 cent 50 cent is like one of the ultimate trolls in the planet So he's 50 cent has brought down Diddy basically, right? Well, it wasn't him that brought the allegations to light.

No, no, but he's been behind the scenes engineering show up with Cat Williams. Yeah, yeah. Cat Williams interview turns out to be more true than we thought. So what do you think of the Diddy stuff then? I mean, it's horrific. It's insane. And also like, I'm very worried about Justin Bieber at the moment. That's what like, you know. He's refusing to comment on it right? Yeah, yeah. It feels like again, you know like Justin Bieber, it would be nice if he had like a Gary Neville, that's where someone like Gary Neville would be paramount right

now. So a friend who's like there for you. Do you think it's an interesting decision to ask if you can talk about something and then it becomes clear that you've got nothing to say about it? No, no, I think it's horrific. My big one is I was watching the thing about Tupac with him yesterday that he could have, you know, the first assassination attempt on Tupac. The point is you're the learning one. I want you to educate me about what's happened. What do you what do you want to know? Like what do you think about it? What well it's very difficult for me to come to go to the party in London when well I was gonna say I was gonna say like off the tour bus if I was gonna like it off the tour bus

It's sort of flirt in those circles I'd say probably you of the two of us that sort of flirt in those circles, I'd say probably you're the most likely, aren't you? In terms of like, you're not one to say no to an invite or something like that. So imagine if you got an email saying, do you want to come to this freak-off? I wouldn't go to it. If it said a freak-off was happening, I probably wouldn't go. What if you turned up there and it turned out it was going to be a freak-off?

Let's just be honest, right? Up until about three years ago, I wouldn't take my t-shirt off to go in the swimming pool. So I think it's very sort of fucking, a hard idea that I get involved. I did like go, there was, I don't know if you remember this, I actually really think, I don't know if you, about 10 years ago maybe,

he did a thing where he was in London and he hosted an event in London. And loads of people got invited. And I went along with, I think Michelle and Sport. So you went to one of Diddy's parts. Oh no, no, yeah, but like we were, you know, guest-wise there was Diddy and his entourage and da-da-da.

We were like sort of, yeah, the lowest of the low. It's actually a thing where, I remember going in on this sort of red carpet thing and the paparazzi people were taking all the pictures and someone basically, I can't remember exactly what happened, but Mel B was coming in and I was sort of, someone said, oh yeah, get pictures, get pictures, quick, quick,

get pictures and I thought they were talking to me so I sort of stood there and sort of smiled and put my thumb up and everyone was sort of someone said oh yeah get pictures get pictures quick quick get pictures and I thought they were talking to me so I stood there and sort of smiled and put my thumb up and everyone was like what are you doing what you Mel B's it and then like someone of her aunt and I sort of pushed me along it was got sort of the meaning sort of like moment of. I think people like us have had have all had experiences like that. The number of times I've been on the red carpet or something and somebody said get out the way Mmm, or can you Romesh? Can you move? Yeah? And the sad sort of low self-esteem I was amazed that they knew my name to tell me to fuck off Yeah, Jimmy it was like, you know that that happens a lot. I think it's pretty mercenary world doesn't it?

So anyway, what did you do in the party? Literally just add about two drinks hung around there left because it was just quite clear that although you've been invited, there was quite a lot of big stars from sort of that world there but they were sort of like on the third floor and we were on the ground floor. So yeah I think we actually ended up actually going to one keys that night, me, Michelle and Dan. Was there any part of you that tried to get to the third floor? No, because I think when you're in those situations there's nothing more demeaning than trying to blag your way up. Because like, what's going to happen, like, you know, I mean at that point I didn't know the freak off things were going on, but also like, I remember sort of being at house parties

when you were a kid and people like demeaning, like I remember being like fucking, offered money to eat dog food at a fucking house party. Do you know what I mean? I mean, basically Puff was just a big old- How did you feel about making money from something you sort of regularly did anyway, Puff? Do you know, I'm not even gonna lie, like I was, I thought- William, William, William, William, watch this.

You ever seen somebody tuck down into this Willie boy Willie you know his name's Daniel you know the thing that's insane is that I would have done it trying thinking it would have made me more popular that's where my my so like so far as to have gone to a diddy party and thinking that you know and then someone sort of did something to do like i was myself was saying was so low uh yeah i'd yeah you you'd have been fine because you thought i could imagine you've always been able to go now i'm not doing that that's that's embarrassing well it's very easy for me to refuse bearing in mind that i didn't

ever get invited to the thing the only reason I've ever been invited to anything in recent years is because of Martin Too Smooth. Like he's managed to sort me out invites. Even though he's sort me out invites, I've gone into detail about how humiliating the Snoop and Draven was for me. But I went to Chris Rock and Dave Chappelle's after party thing, which I've talked about as well

and that was all down to Martin Teese's movie. Yeah but Martin by the way is, Martin's incredible. He literally like, I mean he's a very well connected guy. He's just not well connected but he like walks like shoulder to shoulder with Giants and Vips, do you know what I mean? He's a very cool guy. He doesn't ever look like out of place with anyone. You know, he doesn't look out of place. If he's standing between me and you, he looks the coolest guy. So can I just... I was about to say this before we got into... I think it was before we even started talking about football. But Revert, who's responsible for producing the beat for the theme tune of this podcast. He came runner up in the UK DMC Championships. Oh wow. Yeah, he sent me a photo.

I actually did a drop. He actually asked me to do a drop for him. Would you like to hear the drop? Do you know what a drop is, yeah? Yeah, I've got a vague idea. It's like you doing some rapping or MCing, right? No, it's not rapping. It's like, you know like when'll drop is? Yeah. Yeah, I've got a vague idea. It's like you doing some rapping I'm seeing, right? No, it's not rapping. It's like, you know like when you sort of go,

when you sort of go, you're listening to Revert or whatever. Okay, so you're trying to hype him up and then he's going to play it in the middle of his set. Have a listen to this. Listen, it's Ramesh Langanathan here. And I don't know what you're doing, I don't know what you're thinking, I don't know what your beliefs are,

but I'm here to tell you that revert is the best in the fucking business Revert do your thing man show these people how you do it the absolute Donny the don Dada The dick-swinger the legend the myth the man the monster the beast that is revert River fucking bring it Wow Do you know that is revert revert fucking bring it Wow Do you know that is the most? You've ever sounded like my impression of you Literally like you've done it in that voice purpose

We go he's the best. He's the coolest he can sing he can run he can dance. It's reverb and he can dance. It's revert. Like, what was going through your head when you recorded that? Do you know what? Basically he'd asked me to record. That's like one of four, I'm not going to play the others to you, but there's about five or six of them that I sent him. But basically I'd forgotten to do it.

And then he was like, Rom, I'm like practicing with the set now. Can you like do it? So I was like, I ran into like the next room. I was sort of getting ready. The kids were getting ready to go to school. And so I hurriedly did it and then sent it. And I knew that it was slightly embarrassing when I sent it.

But at that stage, what was it gonna do? Send that or send nothing? So hold on, so he plays, he's played that and he's come, he got into the final. Was that your play? I don't, why are you saying that like that? Well, no, just like a little. he got into the final. Why are you saying that like that? Well, no, just like a little. He sent me a photo.

2024 DMC UK Classic runner up. God, if you put a bit more effort into your bit of that, he could have won it. Well, I don't think they're judging it based on how well the guy that you've got to do the job is. Yeah but let's just say like you're like you're the paratheif of his set right so your drop comes in he's then got a the crowd back up after that. I thought you'd have done that MC voice that you always do. What's the MC voice?

You know, Yo, tell a friend, here we go, Robbins Reganathan on the mix. That one. That's really what he expected. Do you know what? I regret playing that now. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Expected you know what I regret playing that now No, no, it's gonna happen. Hi JT. It's wrong. Can you cut out the bit that where I look like a king for the bitch where Tom does? I'm quite anxious at the moment Okay, because I'm going to Australia. Yeah. Saturday. It's maybe quite nervous. And then I've got some family not nervous about doing the shows.

That'd be fine. Hopefully. I mean, I don't know. I'm going to take I've never geeked in Australia, but any Australian I've ever met has been an absolute fucking king or queen You are over a tree the Australians are amazing. That's gonna be amazing crowds. I actually genuinely Wish the God I was there with you Yes, well, you know, we don't all have the same wishes do it

um, but my one of my one of my I've got uncles out in Australia, yeah, and One of my uncles I've not spent a phrase in fact not seen him since I was last in Australia, which is like 2016 maybe. Melbourne Comedy Festival? Yes, correct, yeah. And he got in touch with me saying, do you want to, like, if you want to meet up, which is obviously very nice, if you want to meet up, get in touch, da da da da da. And then I said, hope you're good. And then he said, then he started talking about life in general. I don't know if your family kind of get emotional about this. Yeah.

And he sort of said something along the lines of, you know, we've got to see each other as much as we can in the time that we've got left. I'm in my late sixties now. I know, I know, I know. And then he said, your dad was 62 when he passed away, which is true. If I die at the same time as my dad I've got 16 years left.

Yeah. It's bad isn't it? Yeah another one you're in good nick now. You're running a lot, you're healthy, you're not eating crap, you've cut down on your drinking. So you don't smoke? No, no. But anyway, what I'm saying is, look guys, enjoy these wolf and owls while you can. I think number one, I think that you're in, I think if either of us guys it's me before you. No way. Yeah.

Do you want to bet on it? I don't know how we pay off on that bet. Well, yeah. We'll pass on the money to our respective families, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We'll pass on the money to their to our respective families. Yeah yeah yeah. Okay yeah. I just I look forward to the time when there's a knock on the door Lisa's sort of either crying or with her next boyfriend and there's a knock on the door. Hello Joel, hello Joel Dove. Lisa's wearing one of the masks, one of their role plays. Take it off! Take it off! Knock on the door.

That's the weird thing for you to be shouting, Charlie. Tom's at the door. Hello, hello, Lisa. Look, very sorry for your loss. Sorry I've not been in touch. When I did his American gigs, I think he would have won. Yeah, yeah. Crowd and furious, their French faces at me and that. But just a quick one. A little bit of silver lining. Here's a fiver. Yeah, I said bet. And also, why I'm here, because obviously you've got the funeral prep, one thing I think you'd really really like is, do you remember about three or four years ago

he did the thing for Revert, if we could play that at the funeral as his coffin's coming down. And also, I know that one of Rob's dying wishes, he said to me, sort of texted me, he said, is it possible for you to do a type five at the funeral? So I've prepped some stuff Just any chance I can get my mittens on that old Burberry hoodie of his Yeah, okay, well let's just say yeah, you know, it's a fucking fucking the hard thing to come back from there Yeah, it's a fucking, fucking hard thing to come back from there. Yeah. What, death?

Yeah, not death, but like, yeah, I mean, number one, it could absolutely destroy the podcast. I should fucking hope it would. Yeah, that would be the end. That would be the end. Death. Well, I would love you to do a couple of episodes without me. I'd do a couple on my own.

Just write a talk into the ether. Like, yeah. Go on. Okay. All right. on my own just by talking to the ether like yeah go on okay all right it's two grown men dressed as a bird and a dog yo hi everyone yes yes a weird one today actually because first podcast without Ron yeah obviously you know missing him it's not gonna be the same energy. I'm sort of going to try and, best I can, do what he'd have wanted, which is,

Oh, shut up, you bloody weasel brain. Alright, mate, ease up, ease up, ease up. So, obviously, you know, one of the things that's really exciting is, although he's gone, he's not left us completely, um, he did do, nearly finished his album. Oh, don't talk about it, right? Just let him see it. But, you know, we've had a great time.

I've loved making this podcast with Ramesh. He was my legion. You're legion, bloody monap! Yeah, something like that. That's good. I don't mind actually. I think in some ways it's better. Hahaha! It's insane that that voice,

I was actually starting to think that voice wasn't as apt. Do you know what I was thinking? I keep on thinking about us doing a paddle event. Based on what? Well you've played twice, I've played once, but I really, I miss it. I mean mean I won't be able to play till you're back from Australia now. I might try and I might try and play some in Australia.

Who you play with, Dennis? No Dennis isn't coming. You know who's an incredible player I bet he might be too smooth, smoothie. Yeah he's just good at everything really. Yeah, don't play him because that will just completely destroy your ego will be left. Right, should we do some emails? Let's do some emails. Oh yeah, I like an email. Let's get in the vibe in. Okay, Hi Wolf, Al Swan and Cat. This is from the Dyslexic Dragonfly. Hi Wolf, Al Swan and Cat. Longtime listener, second time emailer. Second time?

Sour cream gate. Do you remember sour cream? Oh yeah, very good. In your recent episode you talked about things that had happened to people at your gigs. It reminded me of when watching Tom's recent gig in Plymouth with newly recently acquired fiancee. Shout out please, shout out to the Dragonfly's fiancee, a gentleman's chair, a larger gentleman's chair sat at the end of the row, completely collapsed with a large crack and bang, leaving the man briefly sat on the floor of the hall. I'm assuming Tom was completely unaware of it as he did not acknowledge it, even though the majority of the right hand side of the audience did, or maybe he could not see or hear it, he probably thought he was smashing it based on how Tom goes. I mean in the lights mean that you can't see much in the back of the stage,

it's where we're sat. In some way this perfectly reflects a slightly tatty worn-out stage and table that Tom was presented with when he arrived. Apologies from Plymouth. Sorry for any spelling or grammar errors. Actually it was perfect, Dragonfly, so don't worry about that. Tom, do you have any recollection of that? No, no, no. By the way I wouldn't have brought any attention to it had I it would because I've been that guy I've sat in those chairs and they've collapsed beneath me and what you don't need at that point is someone you know bringing more attention to you. Can I say Plymouth was uh I loved Plymouth it was great I loved all that part of the country is very fun, but

In the interval I was in my um in my dressing room and there was like a full drug deal that took place outside of the Like literally I could watch the whole thing which was quite insane and it was getting quite quite tasty Do you mean the guy who was buying drugs was sort of like? Really like he I think he had like he was five, six quid short of the sort of, you know, required amount. And it was sort of kicking off between the dealer and the guy. It was quite an interesting sort of thing

to sit and watch in your interval. Can I ask a question? So when your chair, when you broke a chair, didn't you, was it on a thousand blows that you broke a chair? Was it on that show? Yeah, I mean, a thousand, I've done it multiple times. The worst time it ever happened to me, I was doing an advert for O2, right?

This is years ago, probably 12 years ago. And I was doing it. Sorry, hold on. When you said I was doing an advert for O2, I thought you were doing an advert for your show at the O2, but this is not what I was doing. You were doing an advert for the O2 itself? Yeah, for O2 as in the phone network. And they'd asked me to... I was doing like characters at the time, like on stage, as long as I was doing stand-up and I'd do characters.

So someone from O2 would come and they said, can we do like three of your characters promoting O2 and one of them was like a sort of Swedish like sort of wellness coach and I was a lot weightier. Sounds pretty racist. Yeah yeah. But it's not racist is it? Well nationalist, xenophobic. Yeah yeah yeah but actually also if that's what we all know the Swedish for is being It's not racist, is it? Well, nationalist, xenophobic, I don't know. Yeah, but actually also, if that's what we all know

the Swedish for, is being, having wellness coaches, then good on you, Sweden. Yeah, a stereotype's go, yeah, yeah, fine. Anyway, you wanna give us a little burst? No, no, no, no, no, I don't wanna demean myself so much. Oh, is it, no, no, you demean yourself for money and I, no, so, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, also, yeah,

I left this character at that point. Okay. So, we're doing it and then someone basically comes forward and is like, you know, what sort of costumes were you thinking? And I had sort of like one idea and then they were like, wouldn't it be funny if he was just in a thong? So I was like, yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, it also is going out on television in front of millions of people. As an advert, it could be quite demeaning, but they sort of talked me into wearing a thong.

And I remember this day, by the way, like, you know, we talked about, I remember like filming, we were filming for three days, but this day in particular, I had quite a big lunch, forgetting I had to wear a thong but then also just absolutely dying for shit for all of the afternoon and not wanting to go because the toilet situation was like literally there's one toilet on set and I didn't want to be that guy but I had to sit on this stool and then sort of cross my legs and do this sort of like whole fucking wellness yoga speech and in front of the whole cast and crew, I sort of sat on the store, I started doing the act

and all four legs just splayed out like that and smashed to the ground. Hurt my low back quite a lot. And yeah, the laughter. And then they tried to keep it in and say, it looks funny. Hold on, they laughed? Yeah, whole group, yeah, everyone pissed themselves.

It was awful, yeah. Before they knew if you were all right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, it was hilarious. I always thought common courtesy was like, if something like that happens, you sort of hold it in. But you're a gentleman. And also my balls were then hanging out of the thong. The thong was a great thong.

Obviously, what you're describing is a hilarious scene. But the point is, you could have really hurt yourself. And then I had this anxiety for about a month afterwards, or two months, that they'd actually somehow the footage of me, especially into the floor, they'd release it. They were gonna put your dick and balls in there and like leak the footage. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I mean, it still worries me now that it could be out there. I mean, seeing that footage, I mean, I've got a similar thing where when we're doing Robert Romish versus NBA, we're getting a colonic. And yeah, you have to yeah yeah it's actually one of the funniest things yeah it's a great secret yeah and also it makes perfect narrative sense that we're doing the NBA and we're getting tubes up our arses so anyway I'm in the middle of doing that and you sort of propped up and basically

when you're ready to sort of go you you have to rush to the toilet. Anyway, I had a towel around me and then sort of a towel over the top of me. And she said, okay, go to the top. She sat like, you know, bedside, right? She's putting the tube into my ass, robs at the head of the bed. There's a full camera crew. And so I go to rush to the toilet

and I pull the blanket, like this sort of blanket towel off me, and inadvertently pull the second layer off and just show my dick and balls to everybody in the room. That's worse than my one, because I didn't know anyone there. You got robbed there, and a crew I'm guessing you've had to subsequently work with for the last couple of years. Yeah that's the same crew that's always on RobRom and and sort of there's something more indignifying about because my legs are

sort of up so my dick it's sort of like it was sort of facing towards me if you know what I mean. Like you've been playing tummy sticks. Yeah so they basically everybody saw the underside of my dick and I'll say underside. It's that short. You couldn't write the full way Did you have the awful bit where you're so your dick is like on your tummy, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Like you're trying to make it really You see someone trying to reach up to the top of their to get a coffee. Like a really pathetic ornamental sundial. And people go, you can't really tell the time on this.

And then your balls are between your legs. Yeah. It's that sort of the worst... I would say if you were serving my dick, that would be the sort of solo on the the service, on the presentation ideas. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And Toby, the DOP on that show, he was getting the action.

So he basically got a full frame of. What was your pubic hair doing at that time? Because I know you shave it now, but. No, I don't shave it now. I occasionally trim. It wasn't trimmed at that stage. It was really fucking trimmed. You're sort of laughing in a way that sort of betrays the fact that you were just telling quite an indignifying story. No, no, but I look... Yeah, no.

Mate, I laugh at my one. My one's indignifying. But if I wanted to review as well... No, no, no, you didn't laugh. You at my one. My one's indignifying. But if I wanted to review as well... No, no, you didn't laugh. You told your one, like you fucking... Like it was one of the saddest stories in history in entertainment. No, no, no. But I was saying... Yeah, but my one was... Your one could be seen as being like a sort of a bit of a sort of like... Oh, I accidentally pulled off the other towel and now my woolly end balls are out.

Mine was like it collapsed underneath me. My dick was like, my dick didn't come out. My balls were like hanging out, but they got squashed underneath my body. The reason I mentioned a thousand blows, because you did did I'm sure you did collapse a chair on a thousand blows. I did I did yeah yeah yeah. Stephen Graham messaged me recently. What? About Robert Ramesh versus Stunt. He just said he was watching it. Yeah. And then I replied this is bad. I love Stephen Graham. He's one of I love Stephen Graham he's one of my

favorite people he's one of the he's an absolute legend of the game he's a sweet sweetheart I said to him I can't believe how ripped you got for a thousand blows because he did get quite ripped right he looks at me I can tell you by the way on set when he walked party with he looked mate and I've known Stephen for a long time. Yeah, he's not replied. What? No. I did not think that was the next bit. Stephen loves you by the way, so yeah. All I'm saying is that was quite a few weeks ago.

Don't chase it, I mean yeah. Do you want me to read the whole thing? Yeah, read it, read it. Mate, fuck me, you're on fire. This is hilarious, how are you, pal? I'm good, man, I'm about to go on a Zontor. I can't believe how ripped you got for a thousand blows, exclamation mark.

Nothing. Is there anything bad in what I said? No, no, I mean, number one, like, can I say, it's the ego, like, I've seen, by the way, I've seen a little bit of The Hazen Blows, it's fucking insane. Shout out, shout out, Evan's amazing. Oh, by the way, the make-up team, all listeners of The Wolf and the Hound, they're all lovely. Evan Dougherty, of course, as I've mentioned before, ex-student of Laces, of The Swans. Yeah, and a Crawley, right?

She's from Crawley. Yeah, she's from Crawley, yeah. Malachi, it's like, yeah, it's an amazing, it's incredible. Like, it's mind-blowing how good it is. And Steven, but Steven, like, like me and Danny Mays were sort of ringside, like, you know, by the way but I've got a very small part in this. This cast is incredible by the way. You're just naming absolute heavyheads. Yeah and I sit in that cast where I should which is sort of like number 72 on the cast list.

Listen let me just stop you right now right? Okay can I just stop you? Okay you need to stop fucking talking about yourself like this. I can't. Listen you're a great actor okay you and I'm saying that as somebody that's never successfully completed an audition in his life all right so I know what I'm talking about okay you're a super talent stop talking yourself down. But me and Danny Mays were sort of standing both friends I've known Danny a long time, known Steven a long time, and when Steven came onto set and took off his sort of set jacket, his, genuinely, you're like, oh my,

like it was incredible. Did you gasp? Like that pitch, yeah, like, and kept on gasping. I was like, yeah, wow, like, and every time he came over, my character's sort of like his corner man, every time he came over, I was sort of like, yeah, wow, like and every time he came over my character sort of like his corner man Every time he came over I was sort of like yeah at one point. See was like you haven't got to keep touching me as yeah It's quite did he issue my wife. Yeah, maybe that's

By the way, do you think puff gets on changes now thinking about it because he was worried about obviously everyone knows who he's anyway But like if he had more I don't think I don't think He did is a secret identity thing I love the idea of someone going to the police and going yeah. Yeah, so is that puffed out his house? Do you know I'm puffed out a puffed out he disappeared years ago. Yeah, I think he calls himself P. Did he? Oh, that's that's a different person. That's a different guy. Why would why would puffed P Diddy? Doesn't make any sense. What the fuck are you talking about? Sorry. What about Short Cubs? Well that's enough that they've brought a third name into it. So... I think you're a liar friend. Yeah, no case to answer here actually.

Okay, let's do the next one. Okay, this is quite a tricky one. Actually, I think we should finish on, well, maybe we shouldn't finish on this one because it's quite heavy. Hi, Wolfe and I love the show, long time listener, thanks for everything you do. Listening to you both talking about how big a part of your lives the swan and the cat are, how much you both love them and are clearly in love with them, it always brings me crashing down to earth. My wife and I have been married for 10 years,

have two kids and a stable enough home life. We have our challenges, like sick or absent parents, the usual stuff. But the biggest problem for me is that I don't feel about her the way on paper I should. Well, you two embrace your relationships and the love you share with your partners. I work around mine.

My relationship almost gets in the way of who I want to be and where I want to go in life. I realize I sound like a prick and maybe I am one, but I've never felt the high from my relationship that you both clearly get from yours. What do you suggest I do? Should I lock in and just do everything to try and make this work, even if it makes me unhappy? Or should I find a way to embrace my restlessness, my desire to be anywhere but here, even if that means fundamentally changing the lives of my entire family and the selfish and possibly misguided pursuit of happiness.

We'd love to hear your thoughts as I'm sure it hasn't always been plain sailing for you guys yet you appear to have found a way through to everyday joy. Much love, The Lost Lemming. Yo, The Lost Lemming. Firstly, I think it's important to say, and I hope you all agree to an extent but like any relationship has its challenges and like I'd be disingenuous if I was to say that every part of my relationship with Catherine has been completely plain sailing like any one we've been through ups and downs and we've had more testing times and less testing whatever you know but my point being it's like we've

all been very much in love and but there's been times when you know, but my point being it's like, I've always been very much in love, but there's been times when we've had couples therapy or gone through quite testing times as a couple that have pushed us quite a lot, you know? So I think it's important to say that, that I think anyone who says their relationship is 100% all the time perfect is probably fibbing a bit. So I'd say that, I'd say number one, I think being honest with your partner though, and

that's one thing that me and Catherine have always been is saying how we feel at any one time, even at times if that is, that can seem quite tricky, if that is actually bringing up and saying, you know, what, whatever, you know, in some of your feelings there, which, you know, I've never felt like that. But, you know, actually being quite open about how you feel, I think is important, but also being tactful in the way that you you deal with it. I think it's important for you also being tactful in the way that you deal with that.

I think it's important for you probably for yourself to actually go and speak to someone within therapy because I think actually me and my mom consider giving you some advice, but actually I think it's really important to go and talk to someone who's, because this is quite a deep thing and as you mentioned in your email, you are talking about not just your life, you're talking about your partner's life, you're talking about your children's life and that has a ripple effect as you make a choice in what you do. So I think it's important you go and speak to someone and lay out how you actually feel. And I think also it's trying to, I think it's always if you can, it's trying to make something work, find the spark that you had from before the kids,

when you first met, try to recreate that, find that. I believe that you can do that. I think it just takes sort of like a little bit of work in finding you again. And I'd be shocked if your missus wasn't sort of, she probably feels some of this from you. She probably feels that. And I'd be shocked if your, your missus wasn't sort of, she probably feels some of this from you. She probably feels that. So I think it's, yeah, it's a very tricky one, man.

I think the best, one of the best things we did is we talked to her at someone else. But the other thing that me and Catherine have always tried to have is like an open conversation about how each of us are feeling at any time. And if one of us is feeling low or one of us is feeling that the other one could be sort of doing more, then we try to talk about that. And I think that conversation is also a healthy thing to have.

But look, I'd say seek out proper advice, because it's a big thing you're going through there and it can't be understated. I certainly don't want to plough in with telling you too much and then you follow in what, you know, this is a big thing. So yeah, I wish you luck and I hope everything's, well, either way, sorts itself out. Much love, my friend. Big love. Yeah, look, Loss Leaming, you're not a prick,

but I would say that it would be a prickish thing to not do anything about this because it's not really fair on anybody, including yourself, to sort of carry on as you are. I've quoted this before, but weirdly, I had a thing, I became I Remember being really affected by something somebody said in East Enders Think I might have been Alan in East Enders years ago

Who said like, you know when you're having relationship problems if there was a red button that if you pressed it It would take everything away. You would not be in this relationship anymore. There'd be no repercussions. It would just not happen it would just not you'd not be in that relationship anymore. There'd be no repercussions. It would just not happen It would just not you'd not be in that relationship. Would you press that button? and Uh, if you would press that button, then you have got a real problem and and I think you know what tom was saying They're about relationships are hard, you know I don't think least remind me saying, you know, we we've had times and it's been difficult in the past and Um, it's always an understanding

that you want to try and make it work because it is worth it. And I'd love to be face to face with you to have this conversation because I want to know if you ever felt like you were falling in love or you're over half or if you've always felt like this. Because often people can fall into relationships because that's a societal norm and you think that's what you're supposed to do but your heart's not really in it or did you think you're

falling in love and now the sort of the everyday which it can do the sort of the everyday pressures of life and the fact that it's no longer this exciting thing you're kind of falling into what your life's gonna be when that becomes less exciting people start to go I don't I'm not sure this was all what it was supposed to be. Look, the long and the short of it is this, like Tom said, we're not really in a position to tell you what to do with regards to whether you carry on in that relationship or not. What I would say is if you don't want to, if you, if you have a period of

self-examination and you really explore this, and I would strongly urge you to, to really think about this carefully and deeply. If you decide that your heart's not in that relationship, I would say that it's not really fair on your partner to continue that relationship because she's sort of in it under false pretenses. I don't know how she feels, but it's possible that she's deeply in love with you and thinks that there's nothing wrong. And yeah, look, you need to really think about this and figure out what you want to do. And also, but also, however you decide to go, you need to be really mindful of her feelings, because if, for example, you decide that this is not quite right,

and she is completely unaware of that, that will be a horrible thing for her to discover. So, you know, I guess tread carefully but you do need to tread somewhere, do you know what I mean? Whether that be looking into it and deciding, do you know what, I'm being an idiot, not being an idiot but you know, it's just because I've fallen into a rut, let's find a way of making the relationship be more what I'd like it to be. Or you want to make a step in the other direction. Whatever way, just be really mindful of the people around you. And look, even the stuff I've said now,

I feel like I'm going to regret saying that because I feel like I've said too much. We're really not in a position to advise you. But what I would say is you really need to think about this carefully. Doing nothing really isn't a viable option for you. Yeah, man. So good luck with it, man. But you are not a prick. It's something that everybody goes through. Maybe not to that extent, but people have doubts about their relationships.

OK, Tomo. Do you want me to lead you out, baby? Please, could you do us the want me to lead you out, baby? Please could you do us the honours of leading us out? Looks like we've made it. Not just me and Rom or not just me, Rom and you, sweet listener. Let's talk about my headphones. What are you going on about, big fella?

The wolf's lost his mind quite clearly. You are crazy. I guess I'm just thinking about it like this. Much like flowers in the garden if they're unwatered, headphones once not put onto a cable that's attached to a main socket that goes into the wall will suddenly lose its battery. I guess that's kind of a metaphor of life. Friendships, if not kept up, if not flowered and watered, if not stuck into the mains, if not tended to, can start to drift away. Like our friend that we were just talking to, sometimes that can have

a ripple effect on a relationship. I guess that's my advice, closing thought. If today you feel like you haven't put the fuse box of life up against a friendship that you have intended to for a while, why don't you reach out friend? Why don't you send a text? I sent a text for an old school friend the other day. I was like, yeah bro thinking about you the other day. How are you? The text that came back was mammoth, it was long. There was a lot of open stuff there and they'd been through a lot. And I felt pretty bad that I hadn't linked up with that person. So I just called them and we chatted, we laughed, we reminisced. And I felt pretty good about that and so did they. And it was a pretty

amazing moment. And it was something I planned, ever thought out, it just happened. And I felt pretty good about that, and so did they. And it was a pretty amazing moment. And it was something I planned, ever thought out. It just happened. And I think that's a really important thing. Reach out, hold those two close to the air. Always remember that even though your best friend in the world might be on the other side of the world, he's only a phone call away. Really nice. Really nice. At the end of the day I was

talking about you and me yeah yeah no I got that yeah it was a real rollercoaster yeah I've just discovered a lot not discovered I'm really into this rapper oh shit by the way I've seen you on Saturday what do you mean I'm seeing you at the radio show oh yeah you're coming on the radio show. Oh yeah you're coming on the radio show. Wow and you're flying away on Saturday. Yeah. Oh man I don't know if I can hold that shit together. It's gonna be pretty full on man. Yeah I need to think about something. Sophie Hunter is an amazing artist from New York. JT, could you play her song Cha Cha, please?

Guys, we'll see you next time. Congratulations once again to Revert. Yeah, I'll share Revert. Yeah, keep doing your thing. Let them know. See, that's how you should have done it. Yeah, yippee, it's gonna be a song. Okay, alright, okay. Bye bye guys. Big love, people. Thank you, friends. I pull up with the squad, one of one, I'm the company I only have value in the attention economy I wanna do it big, but if you really put a gun to me

I'd say nothing at all, I bet you won't, you fucking wanna be I'm bivalent and bad, ha ha Passive suicidals, still I hit them with that cha cha Wake up early morning to the rash and cook arachas Rise and shine my freaky little friends, I need some commas If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you.