Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 58: Jumper-Gate & Celebrity Politics

Episode Date: October 30, 2024

We’re talking… Stewart Williams vibes and a controversial jumper, warming up on Loose Women, attempting stand-up whilst severely jet lagged, advice on new material, a poorly timed stuck zip, the Tony Hinchcliffe controversy and a Wolf & Owl take on the US presidential election race, an awkward Ranganathan family mix-up, embarrassing sauna interactions and Tom’s frustrations with tracking his stolen AirPods. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive innit, the death bringing its head spinning Just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog welcome to the wall for now i'm back i'm back in the uk i've never ever seen that's the most proclamatory i'm back i'll ever say it's like uh yeah it sort of had like almost like super thanks um let's uh let's talk about what you said as soon as you logged onto the Zoom that I look like. What did you say about Stuart Williams? The look, the look.

You look like the most, I mean, if I'd known that we could get your hair like that, your hair would have been like that for both series of King Gary and the specials. It's a hell of a thing. Yeah, it's a bit mad, isn't it? It's very, you look like you're putting a new character in something.

I like the jumper, but the jumper doesn't feel necessarily, I think it's grown on me, but I don't know if it feels you. I feel very underdressed now. I feel like maybe I'm on a political podcast. I'm wearing the same as you, but it's just the first time I've not worn a hoodie, I think, in a long time. I think that's the issue.

Yeah, I think it's because I'm used to that sort of, yeah, I'm used to the sort of yeah, I'm used to that kind of thing Does your display on your? Don't I think you're sure jumpers making my screen feel most like it's not bright enough because it's sort of quite It's not it's it's a matter. I You're caught your dress where I like urban Hip-hop cool, wrong. This is very smart. It looks good. I'm sure it's gonna go down well Your dresswear, I like urban hip hop cool rom. This is very smart, it looks good,

I'm sure it's gonna go down well, but I like the fucking edgy cool rom look. Like the stuff you wear, like the over shirts, the nice fucking fitted blade. Yeah, I don't know, this is a strange look for me. Yeah. I'm not sure. Well. Very autumnal, I'll give you that. Yeah, well look, I think you've sort of gone around the house

and say you don't like it, really. I mean, that's what's clear. No, I like it. I like it. You don't like it. No, you don't like it. I'm just saying. It's OK.

It's OK not to like something. Yeah, I know. But you know, like, I see our relationship very much like a couple, right? If we were going out for dinner and you came in wearing that, I'd say I'm not sure. but is there an argument you're sort of pigeon-holing me you know you want me to be in like a no no no no no no I think you look fucking glitzing glam in suit so I love you in a suit I just don't know

I I think you know I just can't picture what it is I just don't know is it the hair it's flummox makes it's like me. It might be the hair you know. If you had your hair in a call. Yeah I mean we've talked about this till the cows come home. I haven't got the debate of hair. Hair is like you know I wish I had bad hair. Okay well I've got to say thank you for the little self-esteem boost as we get into this. It's been good not that's not really rattling around my head for the hour so No, you know me right? I can't be anything but no, but you caught you caught me very vulnerable because Because I put this jumper on thinking I wonder if this is okay because I don't normally wear anything like this

So I'm very fragile my belief in this jumper was like which by the way can I just say whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa before you carry on with this terrain before I continue midway through the sentence yeah go on what do you want to say before I finish what I'm saying yeah go on before you bring your other boot down across my fucking head right which would tell me you don't you're not too sure about this jump. No, and you've Spitballed this jumper and You pick up this jumper on this podcast to see what I thought. No, that's first of all you put you put me make way too

Much importance on your on your status in me wearing this jumper What I would say is my belief in this jumper is like, you know When you get a really nice dessert and they put like one of those sugar cages, the sort of over the top of it, it's fragile like that. And what you've done is you've taken a big like- Well, by the way, that's a great reference. I actually thought when you said about a dessert,

that the jumper, you order a dessert that you think is gonna be amazing. No. And it's not one of those sugar cages and then you break the sugar cage and you start eating and go, well this is okay. I would say you sat on the sugar cage and you've got tiramisu all over your ass. That's what's happened here. I've actually done that. The truth is, oh yeah, that doesn't surprise me. Without the sugar cage I have coolly leant on the side. I've leant on the side of the table and sat right on someone's fucking chair.

The long and the short of it is I'm going to change this jumper before I go. What are you doing today? I've got a couple of meetings. I'm doing loose swimming with my mum later. Wow. Is this the first loose swimming you've done? No, I've done loose swimming a couple of times. Have you? I've never done loose swimming. I've warmed up the studio audience for loose swimming. Yeah, okay.

I think you're a very versatile and multifaceted talent, but on the list of things that I would book you for, even as your friend, warming up loose swimming would not be one of them. That was not a great, it wasn't my finest hour. The good thing is, at least when the show started, the audience were grateful that they were cracking on with things. Yeah, yeah, yeah. What, yeah, yeah, yeah. What sort of things did you say? I, awful, it was just terrible.

Even now, it was my soccer AM, by the way. It was awful. I remember, because have you done studio warmup? No, surprisingly, nobody's ever looked at what I've done and thought, you know what? This needs to be put in front of an audience that need a pep. Well, at one point in my career, I was thinking this could be the thing, do you know what I mean? Because I thought, yeah, if I can make a living doing that,

that will be, I'll be happy with that. Well, I've been deliberately facetious. The truth is, you have an energy and a vibe about you that many people would be lucky to bask in. So... Yeah, but may I say rubbish that didn't translate to a loose woman crowd. I mean I sometimes think with things like that it's nerves isn't it? I think nerves and my material was way off. Sorry what I meant was is nerves plus

shit material and terrible delivery. I'm trying to think who did it I want to say that I don't know if it was Joe Ball was doing and I stepped in for him and it was like because the loose women is almost like the audience a little bit like a local people go multiple times a year it's like they're sort of you know there's people in the audience who go every week because they love it so much I I mean back then, I don't know what it's like now, but yeah it was, yeah, I, ugh, and the studio, there's no lighting in the studio, it's just like, there's no like, sort of like, cool light, it's literally bright as you can basically see the whole of it.

It's not lit like a gig, is it? It's lit like a... No, so the whole, you can see everyone not laughing. I don't know if, sometimes I wonder if we're like assuming that people know that this is, because some people might not have been to TV records or shows, but essentially a warmup is. And there's a great tradition, we've got some great warmups in this country.

Oh yeah, it's a real skill. Yeah, keeping the audience going in between bits and pieces, yeah. It's very- Can I say who's amazing? Need to shout him out, James Gill. 100%, that's exactly the name that popped into my head actually. James Gil's exceptional.

He's delicious. And Stuart Holden. Yeah, Stuart Holden's great. He's very good. He's really good, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's a difficult skill. What tends to happen is you'll be doing a gig and somebody like you kind of get booked for it

and it's a nice little earner. Mark Alva's very good at that. And, Oh, sweet Mark. There's some things, you know, like there's some things that you've come close to or it's been talked about you doing, warm up isn't it? That has never, nobody's ever seen what I do and thought, let's get him getting this audience ready for a show.

I don't know that, I think you're doing yourself a disservice. Yeah, well I want you to imagine, you know, let's set the scene. You've turned up to lose women. I come out in this jumper. Not lose women, but like all joking aside, like if you'd been the one that got on QI or sort of how I got news for light or even league, you know what I mean? You'd have been great.

Yeah. Like if you if it had been like audience wise, I think you could have smashed it. I don't I don't think there's a world wise, I think you could have smashed it. I don't think there's a world where like, I think, Luce Wimmin, I'd arguably say, like, I think for me and for you, there's a number of reasons why I mean you work, and material, my materials bang off,

your material wouldn't be right, I would say. I don't know though, I think your material for Luce Wimmin could be alright. You're so brilliant in front of any audience I've seen you, and you could tailor it. I don't do it. What's going on here? What? I'm being nice.

I feel so uncomfortable when you're being nice. No, I'm being very earnest. You'll be able to tailor yours more than I can. And also actually think, what you say about my energy. Sometimes that energy is good, but sometimes it comes across try hard and thirsty. I think you're playing fast and loose with the word sometimes there, if I'm being honest with you. I'm aware of that sometimes.

I did a gig last night, a charity gig with the great Susie ruffle Zoe lines is on Amy and that was on James He's great, man. I'm your net is banging. She's incredible. Yeah, she's so good. She was competent anyway, I basically sort of had like a What's the best way to describe it? a I basically sort of had like a, what's the best way to describe it? A delusional nightmare on stage. I was sort of so jet lagged.

It was the closest I would say that I've come to speaking in tongues on stage. At some points I wasn't even doing material, I was just sort of saying whatever popped into my head. I started talking about P. Diddy, started talking about that Tony Hinchcliffe thing, you know, the Trump event. I was really unhinged. So hold up. So what were you, so with P Diddy, you were doing material P Diddy or just talking

about? I didn't really have material. It wasn't thought out. I was just channeling my inner thoughts on it. It wasn't, I don't know what- Was it a new material? No, it was a charity gig. Everybody else had done their best gear and I turned on and just started rambling incoherently. I mean, for some reason, you know, don't get me wrong, that sort of unthought out lack of nuance having sort of blunt force kind of bullshit chat is fine for an hour a week on a podcast. But stage a charity gig. It wasn't no one

It was at the forge in Brian But the worst thing about it was I had to leave straight after I I came off stage So I couldn't even get like a reassuring debrief. I had like essentially had Flowing with the edges of a breakdown essentially had floated with the edges of a breakdown. I can't imagine what you'd have been like in that car. It would have been awful. Yeah, it was an experience. Yeah.

It was a sort of experience that leaves you damaged in a way that makes you try on a new jumper to try and draw a line under what's happened before. Me and you both know that a fucking jumper's not compensating for you having a bad gig any more than it would fucking me He was a big fucking slice of lemon meringue pie on the way home in a fucking service station with me Yeah, so it was it was an interesting one. You did a gig last night. Yeah

How was it? It's Crowd Stuff from the tour. No, I did stuff for tour. I got on my head a bit with it. I was gonna try and I've been doing new material but it was like a 40 minute set. Oh wow. I threw in a bit of new stuff but um I've done like a couple um Matt the other day um. Did you just call me Matt? You know what I mean? No I said the other night. Matt will a new year for you with that with the head jumper um we've tickled yourself that shall I let this just on one Mac Matt growing I get I know like for me a mispronunciation of the creator of the Simpsons. I don't know. I was doing some new material gigs last week and you know when you when you're doing them and you think this is going quite well and then I did a spot with Greg Davies and Kevin Bridges who are also doing new material realize quite how far behind in the game I was. You're watching them doing new material.

They're so fucking well thought out. Essentially I'm like, a little bit like you're saying, I was like, if I apply enough gusto to this, it will sort of alleviate over some of the fucking shit that I'm saying. If I give it enough oomph and say prick and dickhead and fuck enough it will compensate. Do you mind not stepping on my ass is that right? But yeah I was sat backstage number one I was watching Greg do you ever think this is an

interesting night out of me I don't know if people will be do you ever have a thing I don't know you're a bit more I mean, I'd have people be, do you ever have a thing, I don't know, you're a bit more, whether within the world of comedy or not, but. Yeah. Late. I would have preferred seasoned, but gone. Yeah. Someone, someone's on before you,

you're trying new gear, right? And someone's on before you, and they do a bit, which is really a lot, not the same, but it's very much like yours. It's stepping in the same sort of topic, or something and then you're like alright okay great so so basically I'm backstage Greg's doing a bit I've got a great thing with Greg I've known Greg for since I started me and Greg there was always used to have a thing where if we were on the same we'd have a joke about not doing tour material whatever so

we've always had this but he's been doing material which is for his tour by the way incredible mate but he's doing a material which is for his tour, by the way, incredible, mate. But he's doing a bit, I just tried a bit out at the ABC and I was like, oh, this bit feels like the main bit of my new material is really, really working. I think there's something here. And then I'm going on and obviously, Andrew Barnes is there and then Greg, Kevin,

all loads of curb people. So I'm like, I need to make sure the stuff I'm doing, I don't want it to be shit. The best bit I've got is this bit. So I was quite confident in one bit and literally before Kevin brings me on, Greg's on and does a really similar bit. And I'm saying to Kevin, oh fuck, I've got a bit like this.

And Kevin's being Kevin's like, oh fuck it, it's fine. No one's gonna worry. But I got my own head about it and completely fucking ruined that ruined that bit so much so now that I'm like I'll never do that bit again because it's shit even though it was the bit I was kind of banking on almost building my hole next door around I mean you need to my advice to you would be to do that bit as soon as you possibly can not not now what was going to do not now no no no No, but do you, it's a weird thing isn't it?

Because, by the way, Greg's bit is, his just going on tour, so his is a lot more thought out. And I was listening to it, laughing, thinking, oh well that's so much like, not, yeah, I think they're different. How do I put this into my tour without it looking like I've nicked it? Yeah, I get it, I've done that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then just sat back and just thought thought yeah, and then when I ate shit But I Honestly think like listen, I mean, you know my um my sort of delusional Wittering society last night. I think those gigs are the ones that you learn from man like that It's good for you You are gonna be better the next time you go out as a result of that experience I mean, so I'm not saying I'm not saying for you. You are going to be better the next time you go out as a result of that experience.

I'm not saying enjoy that because I think the moment that you start thinking that's okay, you have to hate it. You have to hate that feeling. Otherwise you've got no drive to sort of do anything about it. You do have to feel like disgusting in the moment. I'm actually okay with being shitless. That was fucking terrible, Ramesh. You really ate shit. Yeah it was part of the learning thing and I'll be better for next time so I'm going to have faith in what I'm doing and and ignore sort of what the audience are giving me as feedback. By the way do you think if I was to gig with you and you were to say to me, yeah and I know you would, if I was to do a bit and it wasn't very good and I hope you would anyway, you'd go yeah that's and you have actually done that with something before like I don't think that was nothing and I that's what I want from a friend right is to go yeah I'm not too sure about that bit I can't remember exactly but when I was getting ready for next last time we were warming up together you sort of in

a very clever way was like sure about this bit anyway go, the way you said that was so, so masterful the way you did it. It was like, you sort of looked at me and it's almost like I didn't know what you were getting at, but you went, oh, that bit, I didn't really like that. So it was just amazing. Oh, shit. That was fucking, honestly, that made me,

that made me wanna fucking. You're a master with your words. Cause it took me about three or four days and I went, oh shit, what Ramesh was trying to say. He wasn't a fan of that bit. When Ramesh said that was one of the worst things he's ever seen I think what he meant was I sort of need to sort of address that a bit and maybe improve it I know the bit I know the bit now anyway um but I'd have to get into the bit and I've erased it from my mind um but I'm not sure who else in comedy I'd pretty say you and Flo but I don't I'm not too sure who else in comedy, I'd pretty say you and Flo, but I'm not too sure who else would say to me like,

oh, I don't think that bit's working for you. I don't know how many people I've got close around me, the front, but like with you, would you say there's anyone there last night that would go wrong that bit about this was shocking? Well, I mean, it's not really feedback I need. I mean, some of it I wasn't doing bits, do know what I mean so it's like what you know if they're criticizing a bit again Ramesh that thing that you just sort of shat out of

your mouth. No no but even say you were further down the line do you think there's people that because it's an interesting feel I think in like it's like the bogey in your nose or whatever your fly's been undone it's like the bogey in your nose or whatever, your fly's been undone. It's like, but I always think that having someone go, that bit there, I think that's working. I think if like, if I was gigging with you, even with you though, Tom, like you and I really close, I would only say something like that to you

if you'd invited feedback. I mean, I think that, you know, there's- Yeah, but I've always invited feedback because I respect like yourself and Massively, but sometimes if you've got like You know if there's something that you're trying to build confidence in I think there's a there's a there's a time during which somebody saying to you this isn't very good isn't helpful actually because You're still building your confidence in it. So you're still trying to find your way with it.

Whereas like down the line, if it's like close to being done, and there are issues with it, then I think, and you go, what do you think? You go, well, I think, you know, maybe you want to steer away from this and push it in this direction or whatever. But I think when it's brand new,

you know, whether it's like a brand new idea or, you know, trying a different type of jumper on for a change. I mean, I think there's an argument that you just sort of allow that to, you know, you let that person develop some confidence in it, you know. Can I just say, I think, maybe I've overstepped the mark, but I think, I was only saying because I genuinely adore you, I love you. I went out the other day, can I just say, right, Catherine, I was leaving the house and I like, it was a hell of a look. I wore a very like a raw blue Adidas rugby shirt with cords and trainers, right. As I came downstairs Katherine looked at me and she went you're not wearing that to London are

you and yeah I think it was quite cool and she went what I was like yeah I think it looks it's kind of and she went what look is it what you're going for and I was like I feel like this is what she was like, but you've got loads of nice things, why are you wearing that? And I was like, I saw it on someone the other day and I thought that was quite a cool look. That's a common thing that men of our age do, isn't it? See it on somebody really good looking with an amazing shape. Who's 20 years younger. And go, I think if I put that stuff on I will look

exactly like that person and then I was out and about in town and it was every time someone sort of and then quite a few people went out. You wore it, sorry you went ahead and wore it. I wore it because I was like I'm gonna wear this and Catherine went oh yeah Catherine sort of yeah we had a bit of a joke there and then everyone told me everyone said like oh you look, me and DeFront had got a big meeting. We went to the meeting and I said, what about my outfit? And James went, yeah, so it's like, he said, I don't know what, like, James is more, I suppose, how you'd be.

I was like, I don't know, like, what kind of voice look you're going for? And a few people commented, like, almost, oh, wow, that's a look, do you know what I mean? It's difficult, though, it's difficult, that feedback, isn't it, because what they're saying is is I've noticed that you're wearing something different. Do you know what? As we're talking about material, I can't help but think, like, so I had one bit of my show, and I'll tell you about it I'll talk about after but where I knew right that from the minute I tried

it and Flo was at the show she hated it. I knew it was not for Flo. What did she say? Because I come off stage and work in Progresses and Flo was very like uh supported so Flo would kind of like bits working progress and see how the show was be going. And she'd go, and I literally afterwards go through my act and I go, oh yeah, there's this bit, this bit and every time I came to this bit, Flo was sort of looked down and I go, yeah.

And I was like, do you think that bit's good? And she'd go, yeah. Like you know Flo became Catherine? And she goes, yeah, like you're a flow became Catherine with the fucking ball blue and he does you go, you're not sure what you're trying to do. Yeah. And I try again and go, do you think that bit worked out? I don't think I didn't have that bit is at the moment I turned around to was like, um, yeah, I think you know what I'm gonna try and knock that bad not do that bit tonight. She was like yeah Yeah, let's try it with that. That's that that can see it and then afterwards like yeah That was so much better without that bit. Did you not find it? I was like you hate that bit. Did you yeah? I'm amazed that you continue to wear the outfit. Yeah, I was

By the way, I still like the outfit and if I'm gonna be if can I just say this and this is probably You know a bit disingenuous of me after jumper gate If there's one person in my life that I needed to see that day with that outfit on it was Ramesh Ranganathan Because I genuinely think you'd have gone. Oh, that's quite. That's a fucking cooler. Yeah, because it was very much like yeah It was what mean you might wear and think. I'd wear it for you at one time. It'd be absolutely heartbreaking if you go, what was? Well, you've got a lot of pressure on you now,

so now even if I do compliment it, you're gonna think, well, it's because I've made it seem like I'd start crying if you said anything else. I told you about, when I went for my initial meeting at ITV for It's not rocket science years ago And I've not been in many of those TV meetings at that stage. It was like a big meeting with like the execs and yeah I was wearing a new coat and Yeah, I think I'm suspect. I've told this to her. Anyway, I was running you coat like a big sort of a big sort of puffer

Parker Parker thing with a fur like fur hoodie thing and I wore it into the office and Flo was with me it's one of our first big meetings together and we sat down and then I went to take off my And I couldn't undo the zip it just sort of got So like we were sort of getting ready like settling into the chat and then I Pulled it's always a bit stiff and then I went to pull it further and then like, you know You can feel something getting worse the more you sort of tug on it Like I'd call a call of the fuck I call a bit of the material in it or something like that So then I was sort of sat there with, I sort of thought, well, I can't keep struggling with this.

The meeting's kind of starting and we're like doing pleasantries. And then I sort of sat like that for a little bit, thinking, I'm going to leave it for a few seconds and then I'm going to have another go at this. Hopefully the material will just dissolve. The coat will go, do you know what? Ron's got an important meeting here, let's stop fucking about. Also what I love right, is knowing like how I'd be in that situation, is blind panic would take over. It'd be like I'd fall in the sea off the back of a boat

and I'd be like, then the sweating would start and you're wearing a grey t-shirt underneath. like then the sweating would start and you're wearing a gray t-shirt underneath I started trying to pull at this zip I just could not get it off in the end I had to announce to the room that I said look I'm really sorry this is really embarrassing but I'm stuck in my coat all right did they try and get you out? yeah they queued up to try so everybody in the meeting came over to me. I stood up, and they started just yanking and grabbing at the zip.

And then you were just thrown on the table. And then there was a discussion about whether I should pull it over the top of me like a jumper, just pull it off for the meeting. In the end, I just said, I'm going to make an executive decision here. I'm just going to keep the coat on for the meeting. In the end, I just said, I'm gonna make an executive decision here, I'm just gonna keep the coat on for the meeting. And so I sat in the duration, for the entire duration

of the meeting with a full coat on. And then what would happen is, I was reading, and every time I got animated, you could hear the rustle of the coat, where I was like moving my arms. How, and those offices, how, right? You're talking about, it was insane. And it got to the point where I didn't want to, like you said, I didn't want to get the coat off after all, because I thought I've got a kebab wrapper t-shirt

on underneath here. This is going to be a nightmare. It was bad, man. It was bad. By the way, can I ask you, without getting too controversial, because we're talking about another comedian, but what did you think about that Tony Hinchcliffe Trump thing? Do you know what? I've not watched it.

So do you know this story or not? No, no, no. Hit me up, hit me up. So Tony Hinchcliffe. I like that he's a Trump fan, right? Well, he appeared at Trump's, I don't know what to call it, like a rally. There's loads of, I think Hulk Hogan was there, different, like, you know, and they wheel out everything. Yeah, I saw Hulk Hogan, by the way, not being able to rip his t-shirt.

Yeah, through my mind back to a ITV meeting I had a few years ago, but tried to rip the coat open. Anyway, he made this joke. Let me see if I can get the exact wording of it, because it is, in fact, you know what, it's gonna take me too long to find the wording, but this is the essence of the joke, right? And he's got loads of shit for it. It's like, it's gone massive. There's loads of stuff going on at the moment.

Forgive me if I'm getting any strong. There's loads of stuff going on at the moment. For example, did you know that there's a large floating island of garbage out there right now? It's called Puerto Rico Right, that's that's the joke. All right, so it got like a weird reaction in the room because obviously people are source More than slightly nervous to laugh at that in that context Anyway, the fallout from that has been massive and it's led to like a huge debate about Tony Hinchgriff has doubled down on it

He said I've always been taught that comedians should never apologize for jokes. I'm not going to apologize for it. He did then also say, I like Puerto Rico. I've been there on holiday, which I don't know about that. I don't know about that as a line of defense. But he's getting loads of crap for it. But then Tony Hinchgriff, like, that's kind of what he does, right mean at the same for example the Tom Brady roast he's the guy who elevated it into a whole nother I mean Tony Hintzcliffe is you know he's a bare knuckle comedian he goes for it right he's like yeah him and him and I'd say if you watch that roast if anybody hasn't watched that roast so

you have watched that roast him and Nikki Glaser probably nailed what it's like to be a race comedianic, like, particularly on that night, they were just like, they were amazing. Because he's, he's, but yeah, I mean, but he's had that thing where, you know, he sits on the side of controversies so much so that that's his, that's his angle or anything, right? Yeah, I personally think that Tony Hinchcliffe saying that anywhere else, saying that at the roast of, of somebody or saying that a gig or something, it passes almost without

incident, without comment almost, right? It's like that is what Tony Hinchcliffe does. I think the reason, obviously I'm saying something, I'm pretending that what I'm saying is profound when it's not, it's the context of it. He's a political kind of, I'm supporting this guy and then he does what's essentially kind of like, whatever you think of the joke and you know we won't get into whatever the quality of the joke or whatever. He's done that in the context of like people going to hear about Trump. Do you know what I mean? It just, I think it makes it that much more shocking.

Isn't it? Yeah, but isn't that as well? Yeah, is it like insane that you're just, because I mean, I find the whole, like watching quite a lot of this American, like this election, so you had sort of like Leonardo DiCaprio, De Niro and other people doing their thing and then, I'll go and turn you into a gift card. But the element of like celebrity to politics, it's an insane thing because anyway,

we're going through this kind of in a less extent over here of this sort of, there's a part of this, right? And I know that we've all got to vote and we've all got to, that's how this works. But it's a part of me that kind of wishes that politics was just a quiet, like a quiet little agency

that we didn't really know what was going on and everyone just worked there and they had the best intentions for us all as a nation and it was very much just good people just going on how do we best navigate making this you know the economy good looking after the people have lesser uh trying to make the the health system work trying to make travel work and and the fanfare of politics and it happens here as well this sort of I think this is partly due to I think fake news or whatever we're gonna call it or You know, so oh, but yeah, not fucking X or whatever like the the the level of having to almost could be constantly in a debate or almost constantly in a debate or like fucking muck throwing or whatever. And even if there's people you respect and you really think,

well, I like what they're about, they seem to get drawn into it, like into a cat fight constantly. And you know, like I always think, with my accountant, right? When I call my accountant, it's the only conversation I ever want to have where I feel bored at the end of it Hmm. I literally call him. I want to go through like yeah, how much tax I'm paying and yeah I don't want him to have a personality. I don't yeah, he might have a great life outside whatever But when I'm chatting to him, I want it to be a very like, you know, this is what and I find that with politics

I don't want my politicians to be characters. I fucking hated it when people vote, you know, Boris Johnson's a character or Trump's a character. I don't want a fucking character. I'm a very base human being who's just fucking good at what they do. And the rest of it, I don't care about the rest of it. I understand what you're saying. I think there's a lot of sense in what you're saying. But how do people decide on who to vote for on that basis?

Yeah, but the thing is right, I think now and looking looking at like like Leonardo DiCaprio is an incredible actor he's a fucking amazing and he's a great human humanitarian right? De Niro a great actor but but turning around and going like you know or Hinchcliffe or Hulk Hogan or any of these fucking people right? Turning around and going alright which famous people can I get to come out and talk for me? It's well that it kind of feels bullshit to me It's like fucking it shit. I don't I should quite honestly say as well I I'm still fucking I don't understand politics and I don't see him go. I understand this. I understand that I've yeah, I find a lot of a lot of it to stab the duck

What would probably be easier than fucking having like I, I don't know, like, fucking, someone from Melrose Place jumping up and fucking talking shit about politics, would be someone who actually could break it down into layman's terms and go, this is what's gonna happen if these people get, do you know what I mean? But the point I find really, really like is,

the popularity contest for something that's so important becomes quite so flawed I think because essentially it's like it becomes from what becomes like oh this is what I think is of this is what I could bring to this country or this town or whatever becomes oh can I get you know Matthew McConaughey to sing you know the national anthem before I go that might get people to so people stop thinking about we actually and they're not even like exactly what you're saying right in and with Tony Hintzcliffe and Hulk Holt like I don't know anything else and you know this is

also pretty giving Trump a little bit too much gov to us is that no one's talking about what he's actually gonna do as a you know as a president this just loads of these videos of the different celebrities they've had so instead of just going right, okay No, this all it is is this you brass tacks. We'll sit you both in a fucking room You both said what you're gonna do. It's like the fanfare of it goes bigger and bigger. Yeah Well, I mean, I think I do agree with you But I think it's it's like an arms race it's like

They're now just trying to match each other. So like Kamala Harris is like, you know, she's trying to go toe to toe with Trump and vice versa. Do you know what I mean? And so if Kamala Harris comes out with like a load of celebrities, and Trump doesn't, then that is, that's the problem. Do you mean? So whatever one side does, the other side has to has to match and say it's kind of escalating that way. And they're trying to get bandwidth, do you know what I mean, in terms of the fact that like, if one of them's being like at the podium, just like delivering sound by after sound by, absolutely going viral with all these clips, and you're not doing that, you're sort of talking in a very real way about numbers and stuff.

I understand why your instincts are not to do that. Do you know what I mean? It's like you're competing in something which more so than ever before has been done in the public eye. You know, politicians used to have to every now and again address the cameras and they'd go on to like politics shows and be interviewed about what their thoughts are on policy and stuff like that. And then there'd be debates and that's pretty much it.

Now, if you're in the running for something like this, you are on camera all the time. Every time you leave your house to go and like go on the trailer or whatever, somebody's got a phone, like the level of exposure is like through the roof. So it's become, by the way, I'm talking to somebody who's a complete idiot, by the way, so I'm not married to anything I'm saying, but in my opinion, I feel like you're talking about, but people are like, it's a different type of battle

now, do you know what I mean? I do think people are getting frustrated with, on both sides in the American election, from what I've seen of it. A lot of what they say is just going, isn't she an idiot or isn't he an idiot? And look at what they did then, aren't they a twat? And look at what they did then, aren't they a nightmare? Do you know what I mean? And so the actual chat about policies and what the respective people are gonna do,

there's probably been less of that. But yeah, but I think that whole, you know, that you get taking it back to like Hinchcliffe, if you book a comedian to do your thing, that is going to happen. I'm not saying necessarily that joke is going to happen, but something like that is going to happen. Do you know what I mean? So, but I guess it's like the relevance of going like, Oh, why did you vote for Harris? I didn't really know what she was talking about, but I really liked The Departed.

Oh, Goodfellas is my favorite film. Well, why did you vote for Trump? Oh, I used to love wrestling when I was a kid, so Hulk Hogan was there. It's like, I get the sort of like- But I don't, but I think the thought process is this, right? Let's say if it was here, say somebody really likes you, right, you, Tom Davidson, right?

And then you say, you turn up at whatever party, it doesn't matter which one, right? Like you turn up at whatever party and you go, I think about, I think, you know, I support this candidate because da-da-da, I think they're gonna take the country in the right direction. What that is for somebody watching at home is a shortcut that they now don't

really they've got less of a need to read all the policies and get into the nitty gritty of it because somebody somebody who's well, yeah, that is. But that's what the process is because you're not voting on the base. I was literally doing what Trump does then. No, but honestly, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, is another worries because you go right and like you, I'm a fucking idiot, right? I'm not well read. I didn't say something no education. I've got no place to be talking about

politics. If I was to come out and say, Oh, I'm voting for this person. And then 100 people went, Oh, fucking well, he thinks you know, I've got no like understanding of what they're fucking, yeah, what they're talking. I just might like that person or and actually, you know, not to get too deep into it, but like we have, we have this amazing thing to be able to vote, right. And to vote people into power. And my point is that like it becomes, it has become a popularity contest. When I went head to head, I thought it was good. I thought, you yeah, she came across brilliantly

and handled it with, I think she went ahead at the time of the polls. But my point then is like, that we should have an idea of the workings of what they're actually doing. Because so much of it, right? So for example, even in this country, right? This week coming up,

we've got the budget coming out of the day that this podcast goes out, right? And you only have to go on social media for a little bit to realise how already people are calling it this or calling it that and saying this or calling someone a lot, before it's even been announced. But the whole idea that you've not had, a lot of that is down to sort of like you're making an argument based on the fact you might have voted for this guy but you didn't look into what his actual policies were. Do you know what I mean? You just you did it on a whim. Some blokes down the pub might have said are we going to vote for him because he seems like he's going

to do this, this and this. Do you know what I mean? And it's just yeah it's an interesting point I think of like I'm really not a political, I've got no know what I mean? And it's just, yeah, it's an interesting point, I think, of like, I'm really not a political, I've got no idea what I'm talking about right here, I'm literally, but my worry always is that there's certain things like if you're watching Big Brother or Love Island or, you know, whatever, street come dancing, that's a popularity contest, that's fine, that could be a popularity contest,

that could be, you know, you can vote for someone you like over someone who's a great dancer, that's a fine thing to do. But when it comes to running a country, I think it's a really, and running, you know, these sorts of things, I think it becomes a very dangerous thing where it's like, oh, this is run like a popularity contest. And actually what we should be always going is, well, who seems like the person who's going to navigate this the best way?

Like, if you've got a ship going somewhere, or a plane, you wouldn't get on a plane and go, oh, actually, you know, why don't you jump in a flat? I feel like you've got, you know, everyone likes you. You go for the guy who's a pilot, right? Yeah. Yeah. Listen, I think it's a really good point. I think if it was a choice between if I got on the plane, it was a choice between me flying it and a pilot. Then, yes, I would go for the pilot. And I think that is I think a lot of people don't think about it in terms of that

You know and I've listened to a few political podcasts. I've seen a lot of stuff in the news. I've never heard it somewhere I was like it like who do you want to fly the plane? Ramesh Ranganathan or a pilot Welcome to two guys who don't know about politics, talk politics. You know, sometimes whenever I see people debating stuff, I always think to myself, you know too much about what you're talking about. I want this broken down by two people who are unsure if even what they're saying is true, let alone correct.

But I've no idea what I'm saying. I've been here. I just find, I don't know, but I find the whole thing just befuddles me. Yeah. Can I share a change in tax slightly? Can I share a sort of a slightly? Can I change share a sort of a slightly embarrassing story? So we are and I'll have to check with him if he's all right with me telling this.

But anyway, I we went to a theme park in Dubai called Motion Gate. Me, least of the kids, right? So, it was a real fun time, revenue, a real fun time. And a group of sort of teenagers sort of started looking over. And I think, oh, God, this is here we go again. Like, they've clocked me, but they're not sure whether to come over. And I'm thinking, oh, fuck it, oh, they don't know. Maybe they don't know where they've seen me from or whatever, or they're nervous to come over. And then a couple more times, they sort of gravitate to near where we are. And I'm just like, ah,

just like maybe I should go over and like, anyway, we come off a ride and that group is sort of, they're sort of walking just ahead of us. And they come over to, Theo and Charlie are sort of walking up ahead. us. And they come over to, Theo and Charlie are sort of walking up ahead. And they go over and start chatting to him,

and to him and Charlie. And I think, oh God, they've gone over to ask of his mate. So the kids, they walk off, and I walk over and I'm just like, all right, what did they say? Anyway, it turns out one of the girls fancy Theo well don't want a picture of your old man I'll scalp right over and do it for them sweet kids no please don't do it like did Theo did he have how do you react to that was he was he like well basically what happened was is she asked for his snap.

That's what they were. And he said, no, Snapchat. Yeah. What? Yeah. Oh my God. Theo's a fucking, she, she, she, she, she, she, she, she asked via a mate of hers. Right. Do you know like in my whole fucking life, if anyone, if, if any girl, woman, a gun, I was at okay to get your snack. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah

We've actually talked about I've actually talked about this a little bit with the boys right about the fact that when somebody Because we had a little bit of a chat about it afterwards because One of the things we've always said to the boys or you know, I've always said to the boys is if somebody Puts themselves out there like that, right, you know, if somebody is, you know, you're making yourself, you're allowing yourself to be vulnerable in that moment. When you say to somebody, I like you, would you like to go out with me or do you want to, you know, whatever, however you want to describe it, you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position. And we've always said to the boys, even if you've got no interest

in that person, you must always be respectful because that person has put themselves in a difficult position. And so when Theo said to me, I said, no, I said to, like he said to this mate of hers, he said, no, I said, why did you do that? Because I thought about it because he goes, I don't want to have a snap. I don't want to start like a snap series of conversations with this person. I'm away on holiday. I don't really know her, you know, but, you know, he was sort of saying,

there's all these reasons why I don't want to do that. And he said, and so I thought to myself, what's the like, he said, what do I do? I either say yes and then don't really respond. Is that the right thing to do? Or I said rather not now. And then I don't have that, you know, then it's, it deals with it then and then you don't have this awkward situation down the line where this person's getting in touch with me and I don't really want to continue that. And

I thought, you know what, I thought fair play man. You know, also by the way, I'm aware that how many times someone's done it to my feelings, whether it's a friendship or romantic engagement over the years well gone to watch every number like whether it's phoning a house and the dad going yeah no she doesn't live in there she moved to Australia she's 15 and we'll see I was 15 but yeah I mean yeah yeah, I've never, yeah, I mean, I couldn't even relate to being on the other side of that thing. Yeah. But yeah, I was like, yeah, fair enough.

I feel like you handled it the best way possible. Then I was so proud, it was like telling other people and then eventually at the point of my fear I went, can you like stop going on about this? But anyway, that's the sitch. Can I just, just to jump on that, yeah, just, that's the sitch. Can I just jump on that? Just because I always feel like I might as well. So, like the opposite of it. So just to sort of like,

I'd love to even be remotely like Theo. I was in the sauna yesterday, my gym. I was, you know, and I sort of, I got in there, there's two other guys in there. One sort of, you know, sort of just got his earphones in and he's quite chill. The other guys, covered in tattoos, very cool vibe around, very cool.

Do you know what I mean? I mean, you just, yeah. So I made a joke about the sauna door door not closing properly and sort of you know, the heat going out I was all that. Yeah, what's this like cold disorder in England? That's that's a guy and Sort of engineered sort of started a conversation with it. Good. of you know you see so you think I'd like to be this Guy's friend. Yeah, I don't know where it will go but yeah and oh god, I was and

So he's not chatting we're having a bit of a laugh in there And he gets out and he's like, yeah, see you later, bro. Yeah. Yeah, and then I was like, um I've been asking about tattoos and saying I'm yeah thinking about getting one God I was like, and I've been asking about tattoos and saying, yeah, I'm thinking about getting one. One of them. Oh my God. He's like, I'll see you later, bruv, like that. Yeah, and he went, I went, oh yeah, yeah, we'll get a coffee, it'd be great to chat on tats. No, you didn't.

I did, yeah, yeah. And he's like, yeah, hit me up on Instagram right oh god so then I'm like oh shit okay he's a cool guy like you know that thing I'm like aside you defy I haven't got a lot of friends like I'm not I've got mates I'm like this is a guy trying to make a new friend sorry I apologize I've jumped on this it's fine yeah no no no no no jump because I know where this is going and I'm I'm ready myself because you will rightly give me a bit of a kick in from this but so I then um I'm like oh shit but I've left it so I'll reach out to him so um

but obviously I'm quite easy to find on Instagram do you know this guy's name? No like um well I can I just can I just stop you and say What that was was a polite rejection? What that's what's hit me up on Instagram? with no name Yeah, that what that is saying to you is we've had a conversation in the sauna. It's gone fine. Let's draw a line under it continue So um so what would be the worst thing you could do in that scenario? Has he gone at this point? He's gone, yeah, I'm in the sauna just with the other guy with his earphones in.

I'm like, wow, that was a great chat, it would be great to sort of chat to him again, haven't got his name so I came out there and had my shower and all that and then one of the training too much at the gym. Well done for bothering to have your shower before you did this next step but go on. Well if I'm honest with you it was 50-50 I was thinking about it so so you didn't want him to sort of like and then I sort of said to what a try oh um you know the togo's just in the gym and he was like yeah yeah yeah and said his name I was like yeah yeah he's fucking cool guy um he said about shadow in Instagram but like and he went oh I think he's I think is he like it's too so with this. Um, he then went to ask someone else who that

Came back and said, oh he works at this place. So like This is horrible, I feel like I'm watching a really slow car crash that happened yesterday Yes, so then so then I found his details. And I DM'd him. This is so bad! I DM'd him and said, um, hey bro! Great chat in the sauna, man. Oh no.

Look forward to catching up for that coffee. Or maybe see you in the sauna again. Oh no, did you say maybe see you in the sauna again? Yeah. It's you know what, to which, yeah, he, I then sat anxiously thinking, oh my gosh, should I just delete that message? And then, you know what, he actually was was very very sweet. He came back pretty quickly Yeah, and he was like hey man crazy. Yeah, um, you're on next week. Let's grab a coffee And it was like that's not That's not fun ending Yeah, funny. Is he playing? He always says you'll just leave me alone or effort. Yeah

Do it on the tool don't end it like that. My AirPods got stolen last week. Yes, yeah I saw that you were tracking them so what happened with that? I'm still tracking them now. Well they've been stolen, they've either been sold or they've been used in the around the Reading and Slough area. They've been quite active there. There is nothing you can do if you're high quality. I could see where they are. I could see the address they're at.

I called Uber and Uber like, you know... What did you do? Did you leave them in an Uber? Yeah, I left them in an Uber, right? I called the guy and said, hey man, I've just left my earphones in your car and he went no you didn't and I went yeah they're on the backseat can you just have a look and he went yeah looking now they're not there and I was like no I know that yeah I can literally see them driving this is like five minutes in the car. I got a car. Yeah, I can see I can see his car from where he's dropped me moving away Almost on the app. Yeah, and I'm talking to him and he's like no, they're not here I don't just can you just if you stop now? I'll I could I can get back to you and I'll pay but I can see that they're there and I'll be able to find them

They're not here mate. They're not here and he just put the phone down them. They're not here, mate. They're not here. And he just put the phone down. I was like, try to get them. Yeah, then I called Uber and Uber like, oh, he says that they're not in the car. So but I can see they're in the car. And subsequently, I can see you can see like him moving around this the local area. Yeah, with my earphones. I'm giving five stars, I imagine. Yeah. I actually really dig him five stars because, know the attic no no it comes up you know it comes up you know I was like I literally got out of the car said right the driver's eyes yeah and I was like yeah I didn't write it after I literally got out going five stars and then realized he'd stolen my air phones and now it's like this the uber said why don't

you call the police and I was like it feels that this might be the one yeah i i can't call the police and say oh my my airpods have been stolen the guy says yes they're not going to give a fuck there's a lot bigger things going on in the world but they're like airports are like fucking 200 quid it's insane it's a bad it's bad so how come you're able to still track them? Because it was clearly charged them. But then can he not? Is he not thought to keep he can disconnect you can't they? No, you can't. So you track them now forever. Yeah. So these these airports are going to live a life that you're going to keep tabs on.

They are in slough at the moment. Eight minutes ago, they're in slough. Is there any part of you that wants to go to where they are? Yeah, I mean, I massively want to go to where they are. I mean what I would do is, you know people are creatures of habit aren't they? You know what you want to do is sort of start to put together, I've always wanted to do this, like get a board of the Slough area, like a map of the Slough area, put it up on your thing and then start putting pins into the different locations. I can tell you, because I've become so obsessed with this guy's movements, I can tell you

where he lives. I can see that when he finishes his shift at around 9pm and he's every night in the same abode, the airpods are at his house. Why have you not gone home then? You can't tell me about someone's house and go, have you got my airpods? I mean I don't mind fucking making an absolute clown myself mission the guy loosely met the sauna What and film it as content Well, I don't know it could lead to both of us been stabbed but yeah I mean, but like, you know, do you not think this is mad that you know where that lot people people like

Crave this kind of information. I mean like they've you've solved the crime think this is mad that you know where that lot people people like crave this kind of information I mean like they've you've solved the crime right maybe what I'll do is maybe you know who I could you know who would be good to take for something like this Jim yeah make sure it makes sure he said overnight oats first so he's feeling like proper ready to tackle it yeah Jim Jim is affiliated with the police or anything like this can you tell us what Oates first so he's feeling like proper ready to tackle it yeah Jim if anybody's affiliated with the police or anything like this can you tell us what is the what do you do have you got any advice for a decent course of action here

because otherwise it feels like yeah I'm loathe to buy another pair absolutely absolutely yeah no I get it Tom we've got to wrap this up so do you feel it's been a dream do you feel like it's's been a dream, bro. Do you feel like... It's been quite a deep one this week, mate. I need time to get changed as well. Look, man, I wouldn't change. Don't get on my behest. I actually think if you do your hair all nice, you get your hair all sort of static.

It'll look nice. OK, go on. To be fair, once you show the arms of it, it's a lot nicer. Also, what's your mum wearing? Excuse me? No, because you're kind of loose moving from your mum. I don't know, I've got spades and stuff. But I am going to get changed. So anyway, listen, wrap this up because I've got to, I need to figure out what else I'm going to wear now. Christ, okay, okay. The vice, musings. One man's thoughts can be another man's worries. One man's lip can be another man's ear. What do I mean by that? How seriously do we take other people's thoughts

and considerations? Musings. Depth. Whether it is the considerable note that a friend gives you about a jumper that you've been anxiously putting on upon your torso, or whether it is a politician giving you mind and seeing you. I wouldn't run the country like this, but I'll wear a jumper like that. Who are we and where do we go, and does it really matter? Sometimes it's good to be bold within your statements. Walk a higher path.

It's raining outside. Umbrella? No, walk between the rain drops, friends. Truth is, even if you think you can, you will get wet. And sometimes you don't mind being a little bit damp upon your body. Not when you feel great within yourself. And that's the truth of life.

Sometimes it's worth just being yourself, walking your own path, even if you think the path may lead to a mountain top. Beautiful, really beautiful. Yeah, really nice. I don't know even what that one meant. But then, you know, if you've been doing this for three years, I've got real fucking luck of what any of them mean. Well, look, JT, can you do me a favour Tyler

the creator who I love has just brought a new album called Chromocopia and Theo's favourite song from that so far I think is Judge Judy so can we play that tune. Guys we will see you next time thank you so much for listening once again from the Wolf and Owl you thank you for goodbye take care thank you love you adios bye bye bye I chop it up, I like her thoughts, sometimes I fluke She said she had no plans and that's me, what I'm bout to do I stuff this in the phantom and wiggle through the streets She said she never do this but she think that I'm sweet So I won't judge Judy No, I won't judge Judy If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com.

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