Wolf and Owl - S3 Ep 62: Christmas Movies and Nicorette Nightmares

Episode Date: November 27, 2024

With Rom calling in from India for this week’s show, we’re talking… watching new and old Christmas films, Robert De Nero’s acting style, the phenomenon of two Chris Evans’s, apologising to King Charles, an update on the Phil Wang stolen jacket mystery, a missing fancy dress outfit for our upcoming Christmas show, Tom’s visit to Lapland UK, Rom’s Nicorette nightmares and the possibly giving up social media for good. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dressed up as a bird and a dog at home. I'm in India. Yeah, wait, where in India are you? I'm currently in Mumbai. Well, you are incredible the way that you have literally, you're like a proper roving reporter now. Well, but you're you're almost Santa Claus. You've been to every somebody countries in the last couple of months. I mean, he does it all in a night, but you've absolutely leathered. Oh, speaking of doing it all in a night, I've absolutely leathered. Oh speaking of doing it all in a night I've just literally just started recording the quick time on this so that's a fuck up. But I watched Red 1 before I went to India. Any good? I don't know what I think. Come on be honest. This is what I think okay. It does, it's like great action sequences, it looks great, all of that shit.

The Rock is being the Rock in it. I love The Rock, I adore The Rock. But he is just always The Rock, right? I mean, it's a great acting gig if you can get it, but like Dave Batista at the moment, I watch him and I'm like, why are you actually fucking having a run at this act? He's become a very, very accomplished actor. Vinny Jones even, the gentleman, they're

really like throwing it out there. The Rock, brilliant, amazing, charismatic, we love the Rock, we adore the Rock, but he's just like essentially the Rock in everything. It's a little moment of watching and going oh you've really brought it in. Kevin Hart very rarely, I mean that's the first name it brings to mind, but he very rarely breaks out of his... Kevin now. What do you mean? Kevin's done a couple of dramas, there's a film he did with Bryan Cranston.

Yeah, I'm not saying they're not exceptions, you know, but generally speaking Kevin Hart does Kevin Hart, doesn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And furthermore, there's a strong argument that Robert De Niro does Robert De Niro. Whoa! Whoa! Whoa! Wow! Wow! Siding up Robert De Niro on the tube open for a free pass.

Brother, please! De Niro is one of the greats! I'm not saying, when did I say he's not one of the greats? You can't compare like, acting styles of The Rock and Robert De Niro. That's insane. I've not compared acting styles. You, I actually thought better of you. Well, I thought you'd be able to understand a simple point. You know why you don't like De Niro? De Niro's anti-Trump and you hate that.

First of all, I didn't say I didn't like De Niro. I haven't said that De Niro's not one of the greats. De Niro's one of the greatest actors of all time. But what I'm saying is, a lot of his parts, he's playing a similar, he's like doing it in a similar style, right? It's not like, you're not saying that from one film to the next he's doing it completely differently, are you?

I mean, there's a couple of exceptions, but I mean, for the most part. I'd say arguably you could go through quite a few of his movies and go, I don't know what you're saying, the gangster movies maybe, but I think Cape Fear, I think he's something completely different in, even in Meet the Parents, it's completely different from Raging but I don't you the Indian crassity in third crassities or whatever. They call it. Well, well, well, well, well, well, well, well, listen

Idiot synchronicity sync sync rots idiosync Not an easy word, right? But you know I'm saying of his before what and this is me not knocking the rock because I think the rock is so saying of his before what and this is me not knocking the rock because I think the rock is so charismatic he can carry a movie very few people can lead a movie and be incredible in it and be the you know number one on the call sheet is that and anyone ever speak to say says he's an incredible guy right what I'm saying is there's like no change from part to part okay like fine fair that's that is fair that is fair the point I was trying to make and I probably made it in a

slightly clumsy way, is there are a lot of actors who are very, very good that sort of do them. You, me, and all of our wheelhouses are sort of... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa're a bona fide film star. I, on the other hand, let's not, you know. My movie credits include, and I quote, Cinderella, Nick the Rat in Chicken Run 2. Wrong speaking part, Despicable Me 4. What?

Most people give their right bullock and their left ear for a fucking role in Chicken Run 2. It's a great film and you actually Yeah, but that's very sweet if you'd say but Fine chicken run, too Okay, I mean what I don't think anybody's gonna impress by you doing something that's you just your regular hobby anyway, you know The number of times people are gone. What do you prefer? Robert De Niro and raging bull or Romesh Ranganathan a chicken run to what you think by the way

Well, what did he wrote it is a lot of his good work after 50, but you got to what two or three years So you're 50. All right Robert De Niro By the way, stop talking to me like you're in your fucking 30s. You're an old b**** too, yeah? I know I am, but you're the one fucking saying you'll never be as good as Robert De Niro. If, on our deathbeds, we're lying next to each other holding each other's hands because I fucking tried to give you my spleen and it didn't work, so we're both going to die, right?

And I look at you and you look at me, one of my last words would be, I told you you had it in you. And you'd go, oh, fuck's sake, I wish I believed in like you, Rob. I think my last words might be, I think my last words might be, why is he next to me? Anyway, I went to watch Red One. Okay, hit me, here's your film. This is my main criticism of it. The Rock is playing the Rock.

Chris, what's his name? Captain America, what's his name? Chris Pratt. Chris Pratt? No, not Chris Pratt. No, that's Guardians of the Galaxy. Chris. Chris Evans. Chris Evans.

It's mad that he's got the same name as the DJ, Chris Evans. Insane. It's not mad. It's not mad. Two big names, Chris Evans. Name two other celebrities who have got the same name. Usually you change your name if you don't want anyone to go.

Michael Jackson. What, there's two Michael Jacksons? Well, there's Michael Jackson and there's Michael Jackson, isn't there? And there's Michael Jackson, there's three of them. And then obviously there's Bruce Springsteen. Obviously there's Bruce Springsteen the singer and then there's Bruce Springsteen the actor. There's not a Bruce Springsteen. Obviously there's Bruce Springsteen, the singer, and then there's Bruce Springsteen, the actor. There's not a Bruce Springsteen actor. And then there's Bruce Springsteen,

the motivational speaker, so that's three. They're the same person. Bruce Springsteen's. What do you mean they're the same person? There's not Bruce Springsteen, there's not a Bruce Springsteen who's an actor. There is Bruce Springsteen who's an actor. That's insane.

And a motivational speaker. He'd have been named after the original Bruce Springsteen, so it doesn't count. Why doesn't it count? Because he's been named after him. Then theresteen so it doesn't count Why doesn't it count because he's been named after him then there's who else is there? There's there's no You are a liar. I've just googled it. There's not you fucking absolutely. Yeah, I tell you what that is unbelievable I even fell for that for a second It is insane that there's two Chris Evans out there. You just couldn't let me have that point. It's not insane mad

It's not insane. It's mad. It's not insane. It's a coincidence, sure, but it's not insane. Okay, so hit me. How's Chris Evans in it? Chris Evans is sort of playing like quite a smarmy kind of, you know, he's sort of the one that sort of comes, I don't know, I don't want to give spoilers,

but he's the bad boy that sort of has to be kind of brought into the Christmas way. This is my issue my issue with it not Christmas enough. Yeah, okay You know how's the guy the old boy from the drama movie? You play? Jk Simmons. Yeah. Yeah the old boy from the drumming movie one of the most accomplished actors in cinema today the old boy from from the drumming maybe Is he good? He's always good though this this coming from a guy who will give fucking a claim to

somebody that brought him a decent toasty is calling you know what is about him right what I love and that's just that is what because he is he is someone who just becomes the parts he plays so much so you don't even forget he's an actor and everything he's it he I think he's incredible. He's not in it very much. What? I mean, he's Santa Claus. I mean that's probably why it's not Christmas. I know. But it's just there's not... basically he gets kidnapped they have to go and rescue him, right? And so it becomes like this action film but there's not enough Christmas in it. You know like like most Christmas films, the reason that they're great is they're engaging, but

they also make you feel very Christmasy. And I don't think Red One does that. Yeah, your Christmas mind, one and two, both on Amazon now. Great movies made by Mighty Pebble Productions. Yeah, so of all of the Christmas films you could shout out, you've shouted out two that are made by your production company. Yeah, just because they need some love. You really are a fucking corporate shill, aren't you? You cannot fucking...

Are you not disgusted by what you've just done? Yeah, of course I am, but I live for the moment. Yeah. I live in the ether. Okay. There's no seconds for me This is my my thought thought span is quicker in a second and then I regret what I say I'm not the time. That was like you. Yeah, I wish I'd shout out home alone I wish I'd fucking give it a high five to a off which I put my home on the holiday and brought into the conversation

That's the way my mom went the holiday. I love the holiday. Do not Let's not know you remind went. The holiday. I love the holiday. Do not. Don't you like the holiday? Let us not. No. You remind me of Jack Black from the holiday. Look how pleased you are with yourself. Look how happy. Why don't you like the holiday?

Why don't you like the holiday? Why do I just die in the eye of a... You know how much Catherine loves the holidays? Her and her friends are going on a site, like, where they have some drinks and they go on a sightseeing thing where they go to the library and they're like, oh, I'm going to the library and they're like, Why do I just die in the eye? You know how much Katherine loves the holidays? Her and her friends are going on a site like when they have some drinks and they go on a site seeing things or they go to locations for the holiday. That's a shame, I like her slightly less than I did before you told me that. Why do you hate it?

I don't hate it, I just wasn't that big a fan of it. Jack Black, he's got the same sort of, like, he's very lovable. He's self-defacing. He sort of has a bit of a joke and a bit of a laugh, but he's also, he's got this lovable sort of underdog spirit to him. He just reminds me of, I don't know, he reminds me. I can imagine you playing that.

That's the part, if I was casting it now, I'd be sitting in the casting room, probably have a big cigar, because we've just cast, like, you know, Kate Winslet, Jude Law and everything. So I'll go, what about the part of the other, so I go, hey what about Jack Black? I went, I actually know something. I've got another name for you, Ramesh Ranganathan. What? I like his stuff, it's a big part. He's got big feet and they're really, I feel some fucking very funny shoes. Tell Mr Jack Black to take us a bag or Ranga Nathan's in town.

It's pretty cool right? Yeah but Jack Black's not been cast has he? So it feels needlessly cruel to phone him up and go Jack Black just so you know we're thinking about you for the holiday but we're not casted you know because we've gone for Ramesh Ranganathan. Were you a Jack Black fan? Yeah I'm a Jack Black fan. I thought if I'm being honest with you, I wasn't sure about how we reacted to what's his face talking about. You know the Trump joke that he made?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Trump joke, which was in poor taste, but it felt like he got properly fucking turned over by Jack Black in his... I would like to think, I would like to think if we were doing like, as we are, on the 3rd of December doing the Wolf and Owl Live, if I accidentally made an offensive joke,

which to be honest with you, is well within the realms of possibility the number of times I say stuff that I regret, I would like to think that you'd be a little bit more supportive to me than Jack Black was. Oh mate, I'd support you all the way. I'd be like, yeah, completely. Oh, this is what my supporters say for me to be. Ramesh is lovely, he's adorable, he's someone I cuddle up to and

absolutely relish spending time with. Of course now and again he runs his mouth a little bit and checks his mouth can't cash but he never means anything of it. I'm not convinced that's the ringing endorsement you think it is. That's a nice thing to say. Imagine, say for example, we're doing the wall for now on the 3rd of December. I make a hugely racist joke. And it all kicks off and then it goes, I don't know, somebody films a clip of me doing it, goes viral, not viral, but it's sort of papers pick it up.

What do you do? You come out and say- I mean, it feels really, really, I know what I can't, this is, it's not in your wheelhouse to say something really racist. I don't think we can use that as a thing. Okay, fine. I don't think you're too nice.

I can see you by mistake making a joke about the king or by accident. Yeah, so okay, let's do it. I can't see it. We have to work within a realm of possibility. No, I understand. It's not realistic. I think that's not really in my book.

Look, if it's you, it's almost too plausible. But let's say it's me. So it's me and I've said something punishable like a treasonable offense. Like I've said, oh, I'd love to take the corn dog and stick it up. We can all imagine something. Okay.

Okay, all right. Let's leave it. So the papers stick it up. You've also got to remember that I know the king. Oh, okay. Do you know the reason I'm sorry is because you're only part joking. What you're doing is you are submitting this as a joke, but I know you really do feel like

you've got some sort of connection. I've been to his house twice. I've been to his house twice. One of his houses. So I feel as a king that this is our rock. Are you hoping for an NBA? Are you hoping for an NBA? I don't need that.

I don't need that. It's enough just to go to his house. Right. That's how I feel. Imagine what the Instagram page would be. I'm like you, I've taken a dump in his house. I haven't had a poo in your house. What does that mean? What does that prove? I'm just saying. I'd love to have a poo in your house and just let luck. We've talked about this before, but I've had one in Charles' house.

I could literally look in the eye and go, oh wait. I would love to see, listen let me tell you something. I would love to just fucking see your house. Right? Charles hasn't been there either, so there's two people I haven't been there. Anyway, go on. So I've said this joke about Charlie. First up, I come out and go, listen,

what's happened here is Ramesh just ran his mouth. He thought he was being. Who are you saying this to? So, what is this? So I get asked about it in the press. The press, okay? Okay, fine. You get a phone call.

I've spoken to Ramesh today. He's absolutely mortified with what happened. As always, he's got a bit of liquor in him, and he gets carried away when he's drunk. This is not, look, this is not helpful. What would you actually say? What would you actually say? If you, look, I can't get you out of trouble.

Well, you've had a couple of drinks, everyone says, if I'm gonna be really honest this is what I'd probably do. Hello Charles mate. Okay. Oh mate I'm so sorry, I'm mortified. So obviously he wants to make this up for you, he sort of said about maybe some tickets to one of his shows or you know where he's just going to get a couple of beers or something, but the main thing to think about is this, he did not mean it like it came out. It's been completely misinstrued. He was saying it really just to be funny.

Like myself, as a comedian, he's always worried about people not liking him. And sometimes he'll push someone under the bus for people to like him more. And in your case, Charles Charles that seems to have been you I've got a real earnest letter. He's written here from the bottom of his heart I don't like to turn that on so Charles this is from me saying I'm sorry But also bigger than that is from Ramesh saying he is sorry

He adores you he emulates you and he hopes that you could forgive him with some part of your soul. Thank you, mate So look, can you just warn me when you're just gonna set fire to 90 seconds of my life? What? That was a not... That was supposed to be an actual exercise to see what you would do. That's what I'd do! You'd phone King Charles.

I'd probably get his number. How are you getting hold of him? I'd have to reach out for some contacts. Probably I'd have to work my way up through people I know that know him and eventually I'll have to phone someone. Probably phone my mate Warren who knows Idris quite well. Hello Warren, how you doing mate? Yeah, I don't know if you've seen the papers today with everything that Ramesh did but he's mortified. Can you get me Idris's number? Hello Idris mate. Yep, probably been expecting my call. I'm obviously calling up on behalf of Ramesh.

I know mate, we're all so embarrassed and he didn't mean it. He's mortified this morning. He can barely even look at himself in the mirror. Have you got Charles? Okay, if you haven't got it, do you know someone? Hello, hello Kate. Kate Winslet, it's Tom Davis.

I'm an actor as well, been in a couple of films. Just basically trying to get in touch with you just to say, yeah. And so forth until I get Charles's number. Okay, probably off Judy Dench or something. All right. Yeah. Or actually, I could probably find someone who knows our work because she's probably got it. James Haskell. Well, let's just let's just let's just hope that's just what I'm saying to me is I would be there. I turn I literally get a cab to

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Get your claws on it. For a limited time only, at participating McDonald's restaurants in Ontario. Tom, can you please tell us, has there been any, let me just fill the listeners in on this. Last episode, you talked about a Stone Island jacket. Yeah You were wearing a so I was wearing it was a Phil Wang gig Yeah, and you left without the coat. I've been taking Michelle to swore helped you try and locate the coat to no avail

Yeah, that episode of the podcast went out and we thought nothing of it since Since then, we have been swamped with emails, messages on Instagram from people saying, Phil Wang was on, what's the podcast? I don't know that was podcast. Him and Piero. The one that he does is Piero Navelli, right? Shout out Piero Navelli, great comic by the way, if you don't know Piero, his work is exemplary,

he's a lovely guy. As is Phil Wang, but yeah, I was gonna say about Piero, he's a really good guy. He is a really good guy and he's a lovely guy. As is Phil Wang, but yeah, I was gonna say about Pierre, he's a really good guy. He is a really good guy and he's a really good comic. But anyway, the point is, it's just... What? What's wrong with you? I'm just saying, he's a good guy.

You see, sir? Yeah, he's a good guy, yeah. He's just, actually, Pierre's a fucking sound fellow. He's a sweet guy. Can we just do a thing now? Can we just do a thing now? People assume that when we're talking about people we know, we think they're a good guy and they're talented,

unless we say otherwise. Okay, okay, okay. We just do that, it just saves time. Yeah, but I always do that in real life anyway, when I talk about anyone. What do you do? What do you mean? If I'm talking about anyone,

someone goes, I'm a shrunk and anything, I go, oh, you know, I know, even if I'm not in a conversation, I'll nudge them and go, fucking great guy, very good comic, yeah, very able friend. Do me a a favor do me a favor. I don't know what's happened before you've logged on to this this soon, right? Just can you for the next 40 minutes have a long set just fucking tell the truth and before and if you don't believe me Well, get Catherine I have been in a situation where I'm not involved in a conversation someone's talked about, and I've given them a little nudge and gone, he's a great guy.

So that's happened once? Yeah. Well, this is enough. It means it's happened. Yeah, but you've said, that's what I always do. You said, I always do that in real life, is what you've said. Yeah, okay. Maybe I should do it more. And before that, what would you do if I said something cancelable? I'd phone up. I'd find out this person and this person this person That's what I do. I would try to get hold of the king if you'd say heinous about him to say look mate He is a fucking good guy. He does not mean that he's just getting

Charles listen, he's a fucking good guy. I probably wouldn't say the end I wouldn't effing Jeff in front of the king. But I'd also say he gets carried away, do you want me, and he's stepped out of line. I would somehow get through to him. If it meant, mate, if you're up for treason, do you not think I'd throw myself on the fucking behest of him

and go, look, please don't kill him? He might have said something horrible, but he's a nice bloke, mate, and that feels too much. Anyway, so we've got loads of messages. Yeah, the Phil Wang on him is it and piano Veli's podcast Who by the way both great guys great comedians? Saying that he has got this is wild by the way. He has got a Stone Island jacket and He doesn't know where he got it from and that's them Yeah, cuz if I'm gonna be honest the jacket I have was a bit too small for me

Right as stone island stuff to stone island. Do some yeah, let me just be honest stone island Their size in even a sort of like triple XL is not big enough for someone who is what should be into a flexor So it was I'd squeeze myself into it. Okay, so you then you then Well, it was an email that came to the podcast you then sort of screen grab that I text it to you screen Grabbed it put up on your Instagram and you tagged the people involved. Yeah Has there been any developments beyond that has Phil Wang got in touch with you? Has he had a belly go touch you? Great guys great comedians. Yeah, yeah

Reposted it. Pia reposted it. Phil made a bit of an excuse saying he's not sure if it's definitely a Stone Isle jacket. He said the bag isn't. He left out the look. Now it's all starting to fall apart, isn't it? Philly Philly Wang Wang. This is why you put your name in a bag of clothes. Even though it looks dorky at times.

This is why it's good to or a little name badge somewhere Yeah again again again again. Do you have a name badge on your clothes? No, this is where you should know But this is where you shouldn't an incident like this There was a Be moved off irremovable. Yeah, it's got Tom Davis tagging Phil wouldn't be able to move out So you'd have to always go, I'm just Tom Davis, just fucking, even though I like it, it feels nice on my skin.

It is Tom's jacket. Right? At the moment, what we've got is a jacket that has no rightful owner. I don't think it's my jacket. What do you think's happened? I don't think it's mine. I think Phil's picked that up somewhere else.

I don't think it's mine. I'd have to have a look at it. Why, why, why? I just don't think Phil's the kind of guy to take his jacket without. Yeah, what if he's done it by accident? Yeah, but what, just take your jacket off the back of a chair? What kind of psychopath does that?

I'm not saying he's taken off the back of a chair. Somebody's gone, is this yours, Phil? And he's gone, no. And they've gone, well, I don't know who it is though. I'll just take it anyway. Do you want to take it? Society works, society will fall apart if we do that. I've got loads of stuff like that. I've got loads of stuff like that.

Oh, who's fucking being a Tom Pepper now? Who's fucking jumping in the lion ring now, pulling their pants down and running around like they own the place? No, there's no way in the world. Phil Wang is one of the most earnest people about it. If someone went, is this your jacket, Phil? He'd go, no, it isn't. That'd be the end of conversation. I can't see a world, I can't fathom a time where Phil Wang would go oh yeah no go on me yeah I'm what to tell that I could think about probably another 10 15 cut comedians off the top my head would probably do that give us two names off the top of your head would be Tom Davis

I think I do that I would definitely do that if it was cold and wet outside. I thought that could probably fit me. Okay, so there's been no real development actually. There's been no real development. It was a real nice moment where I thought Phil might have picked up my mistake. We did this amazing thing where the four of us would meet, have a little sort of chat and all that, get a picture and it'd be Phil holding me, pass me the jacket back, you grin,

and that big adorable grin that you do. Maybe Piers got you in the headlock, like, oh, this bloody guy. One of those cool crossover photos, and everybody goes, oh, that's mad, I never thought I'd see all those guys in the same room doing that, oh that's mad, I never thought I'd see all those guys in the same room doing that and that's wild. I've had a little bit of a development, Tom,

so I don't wanna give it away, because I don't wanna like, well I just don't wanna give it away. So I ordered some stuff to wear for the Wolf and Owl live show. Okay. Fancy dress costume, right? Yeah, Christmas themed thing, right?

So I ordered it and I ordered it to be delivered to like a pickup place. Do you know what I mean? Like a shop near me. You know, like, so it doesn't come to the house. It's like, yeah. So I get an email two days ago Romesh congratulations your stuff is ready for you to pick up I think great I'm gonna

get back by the time this guy's out this podcast goes out I'll be home right yeah and so I'm gonna go to the shop and pick up this thing right I think an email today after filming I'm on my way back to the hotel and the email says congratulations you've got your stuff. What? Yes, correct. That's the reaction. Is it not Lisa? I checked it's not Lisa. Also I sort of half knew because there's no way she would do that. Unprompted. Yeah. Not that she you know. Dinesh? Well that's what actually that's what Lisa said to me maybe it's Dinesh by accident but I mean feels weird that he would go to the shop and pick up something. It could be something Dinesh does every day because he knows you're always ordering nice shit. He just pops in and goes. Yeah just on the off chance. Yeah yeah. I think for Ramesh today mate. He even knows you're in.

Off the curb once was sending me something and because they didn't want to like cause, I don't know, whatever, they put like a, I think they put like Armeinard on it or something like that, some other name. And then I couldn't fucking collect it. Of course. Obviously I couldn't. It was like, is that the thing? And they go, they go, I've come to pick up this car.

So basically what you're talking about, do you know, this is, I think it's an epidemic within the, I think people are just, it's a free for all now. If you fucking get in shit delivered or you drop your AirPods, it's a free for all. It doesn't really fucking like matter who's got stuff. It's like, you know, it's like the fuck, it's going back to the jacket, all of it. Society is falling apart, it seems.

Someone has got, and I will tell you now, I would say your fucking outfits for The Wolf and Our Lives have been incredible up to now. They've always been, I know that it will be something special, it will be something glamorous, it will be something in keeping with you as a human being. So I know that someone's had a right fucking roll to double six. That's right, man.

It's part of me that thinks maybe that email was sent by mistake and I'm gonna go into that shop To pick up my stuff and they're gonna go is here and it's gonna be like a wonderful moment but part of me the bigger part of me suspects that I'm gonna go there and it's gonna be gone and they're gonna have no record of the person that picked it up and then Go back to the place. I usually know you've got to give ID like Catherine's tried to pick stuff up for me and not even being able to pick it up. That's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying that's what I don't understand what's going on. Someone's got a fake ID with your your fucking details on it bro. Yeah but how can they

possibly if you've got my fake ID what are you doing turning up every day on the off chance? Doesn't make any sense. Maybe they've worked out where you live and they know there's a certain like radius of places where you're going to get stuff dropped. Or it could be an inside job. The guy at the post office has got a big night out like last night. He's fucking really excited about going. Hasn't really got anything to wear and he's like, hold up, I've got that parcel downstairs

for Rory Schrang and Nathan. He always dresses really well. I've seen him on TV. He's an absolute fucking, had an absolute fucking result. Yeah. Do you know what? I'm gonna go down there and if it's not there, let me tell you something,

I'm gonna do nothing but I will be very upset. You can put him under surveillance and see if you ever see him in the clothes. That's a great shout. It's quite distinctive what I've ordered as well. Well, I'm hoping it was an elf costume like I told you to get. It was an elf costume.

I mean, I don't wanna to spoil it, but it was. Yeah, but that's what we've arranged it. Yeah. Have you got a Santa outfit ready? This little sexy outfit. I really thought this was quite cute. What are you doing now? I'm just finding the pictures.

This, I thought this. What picture? This one. I think this would look quite cute for you. Yeah, all right, thanks, Tom. Very sweet of you. I'll tell you, when you get back by the way, if your Christmas spirit's on a bit of a low,

you know what you wanna do? What? Yeah, Lapland UK. Oh, actually, interestingly you said that. So you went to Lapland UK, right? We got an email about it. I had an amazing time. I've gotta say.

Okay, so talk me through it, talk me through it. I wanna shout out everyone who works there. It was like, nothing was too much. What an amazing organization it is. The people there, like, you know that thing where people are just so, and they're working within the Christmas parameters they're doing from early November, but they're so, so jolly.

I'm like, I just, I found it very inspiring. I actually took a lesson from it, a life lesson, we should all try and be more like the people. What lesson did you take from it? Everyone should be more jolly, like the people playing elves in Lapland. Wolf and Owl, what can I say? The small folk, plus myself and my lovely wife,

traveled to Lapland, UK to meet the big guy. Little did we know that there'd be a wolf amongst the huskies. Oh wow! I tried my best. It's beautiful. It's very good, isn't it? It's very good. I tried my best to avoid interrupting Tom's day,

but couldn't hold it back in the queue for the gift shop. I hope I wasn't one of those annoying guys and apologize for just saying Tom like we're old friends. It was a pleasure to meet you in person and I hope you and your beautiful family enjoyed it as much as we did. I know it's early, but I hope you have a great Christmas in the year, that's from the hog.

So it's just that guy that you said was a fucking Norse. No, no, no, how dare you, how dare you. How dare you. He was a lovely... No, but you take me. Oh, shut up, Rob. You take... No, no, look. I'm not... Don't be... This is a bad way.

You are... What I love about you... What? You... You're trying to fucking... What? You're trying to roll into the fucking lie department. You think you've got your fucking warrant

and you can just bugger up and join this fucking sacrum... I'mrum. Can I say this gentleman was absolutely very sweet. Don't get embarrassed. He said, Tom said, no look, if this is bad what you text me then we can we can bleep it out. But Rom, but Rom, but Rom, this is someone's feelings now. This is a nice person. You said I met, I met Rom, hope you good, was at Lapland UK, met a charming bellend. That was your exact, that's a direct quote. Romski. This is someone's feelings you're messing with here.

It's a really nice guy who's a family man, who's very, very careful, very considerate. He was a really nice, charming man and here's you. Really ramping up the meanness all the way over in India. He was a really nice, charming man and here's you. Hock. Here's you. Really ramping up the meanness all the way in over in India. Hock, I'm sorry. He didn't say anything like that. Hock was a very... He never would.

Hock was a very nice guy. Number one, we had a little chat and I thought you were very sweet and I hope that you and your family, which was a beautiful family at that, have an amazing Christmas. By the way, the Hock was well into Christmas and I actually... I felt I'd let myself down a little bit. He was completely into it. What did you mean? He was in a Christmas jumper. He was just fucking ripping the whole Christmas look. I actually probably was a bit more like Red One or whatever it's called. I don't think I'd push. Catherine actually had a go at me about it. I was stuck in a black hoodie pair of black trousers. I probably looked completely, yeah, yeah. I wish I made more of a, I got a Christmas it. I was stuck in a black hoodie pair of black trousers. I probably looked completely out. Yeah, I wish I

made more of I got a Christmas hat was there. But I actually sort of looked around. So you know what I feel I felt like a bit of a humbug a bit of a Grinch amongst all the other people. It's a beauty. It's a sea of colors. It's beautiful. You'd love it. Well, you would love it. Yeah, I think I'd suggest you take I mean, I think the I would still get a kick and a kick out of it. There's an ice skating rink there. Lisa would love it.

Absolutely love it. Okay, I'll certainly think about it. Well, do it. I'll tell you what, you need it after the Red Wonder Barkel. Yeah, I will do. So explain to me what happens at Lapland UK, please. Well, you're sworn to secrecy, so you can't really tell a lot of stuff because it's like, you know, bar.

What do you mean you're sworn to secrecy? Well, because it's like it'll ruin the surprises. You're sworn to secrecy, so you can't really tell a lot of the stuff because it's like, you know, but What do you mean you're sworn to secrecy? Well, because it's like it'll ruin the surprises You're sworn to secrecy as a customer? No, no, it'll ruin the surprise for anyone going. It's beautiful. But you meet Santa, right? Yeah, you meet Grace's first aliens with a proper Santa. She basically just walked in and said she wanted a bike and was quite sort of firm with

that. Did she ask Santa for the bike? Santa said, what do you want? to rent a bike? And then he just started saying, Well, if you're good, I want to buy that side of the conversation. Well, you get a bike if you're okay. She went I want a bike. All right, chill out. Just listen to do his job. Relax for a minute. And then she was Yeah, she was quite far. I mean, she was so hooked up and sweets. She

was like, Yeah, she was absolutely steaming How worried you about that? I mean the dear she's good. She's got a wife Oh, she's a far a little thing when she wants to be I guess what I'm asking is is Santa getting her a bike Yeah, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I think that's that's gotta happen really. I'm otherwise Yeah, yeah, I would say's got to happen really, and otherwise, yeah. Yeah. I would say that it sounds like Santa's got no choice. No, I think Santa's getting bullied into it.

But it's amazing. It was an incredible thing to be a part of. It was good. I was very pleased. Shout out Charlie, by the way, who was there. She was very, very lovely. He was part of the day for us. Something mad happened to me the other night. So in India,

vapes are banned. I mean, you can get them, but you can't take them into the country. Well, like they're illegal type of thing. Yeah. You just can't, you can't get them in there. Like they're, they're illegal. Could you be arrested for having one or? That's what I don't, that's, that's why I was kind of being a bit fluffy in my answer there. I don't, I don't think you can be arrested for having one or? That's what I don't, that's why I was kind of being a bit fluffy in my answer there. I don't think you can be arrested for having one. I think you can be arrested for having one

with intent to sort of supply them all, if you know what I mean, so I think. I think, I'm sure I read, anyway, the production that were like bringing me out here, they know that I vape, so they were like, do not do it, do not bring, they were trying to be helpful, I guess, they don't want me to get arrested.

So I bought a packet of Nicorette patches. The nicotine, like. Very sort of like 90s sort of. I know, I know, I did feel quite old school. I don't think you could even get those anymore. Yeah, they're still a viable quitting method. What about nicotine gum? Apparently. Is that still a thing? Yeah, I could still get that yeah

Yeah, you must love nicotine that you're gonna put on the plaster with it on I realize you're so No, it's just cuz I'd be I'd be basically what happens I wasn't planning on doing that But when I was at the airport about to fly out I went into boats to get grab a couple of bits and then I just saw it and I thought I let me just This might help my ease my transition to not vape. Right. Anyway, so that first night I put on the Nicorette patch. Anyway, what I didn't realize is they give you, I looked it up, 75% of people that use these patches,

uh, have really vivid nightmares. Oh my God. Right. So I didn't know this, right? So I just, and I forgot I had it on. And it worked by the way, I wasn't having any cravings or anything like that. So I went to sleep and I had like this nightmare man, it was like, had a narrative arc.

I was getting attacked by zombies. I was trying to board up my house. Jesus. And then broke out of my. I was getting attacked by zombies. I was trying to board up my house and then broke out of my, I was getting chased. I jumped into a car, like tried to drive away. Couldn't get the car started. And Tom, I'm not exaggerating. This shit felt like it was really happening. Fuck. Like it's like you're in a rattle movie. Yeah, it was. I wake up about two o'clock, wake up in the middle of the night, this is how vivid the dream was. I went to the toilet to have a piss. I was still not completely

sure I'd woken up. That's how full on it was. I got back into bed, mate profusely. Jeez. It was a lot. And then I was slightly nervous to go back to sleep. Anyway, spoiler alert, I did go back to sleep. Took the nicotine patch off. Did you notice your way it was a nicotine patch? I just thought it had been such a long time since I'd had like, and also it was so vivid, like mad. I have no recollection of having dreamed like that

for a long, long time. So that's why I thought, what's different? I thought it must be that, and then I Googled it, and there's loads of stories from people talking about how, and apparently you can just avoid it by taking the nicotine patch off. So that's what I've been doing, taking it off before I go to bed.

However, it was such a rush, there is part of me that wants to just have another go on the old, on the old nightmare train. Like fucking hit yourself out of the fucking crazy dream. I'm thinking is there a way that I could influence it? Like say for example, watch a certain type of horror film. Have you watched any zombie movies recently? Or just read one? No, but I feel like zombies is like a bit of a,

I had, actually I had watched, this isn't a zombie film, but I had watched that quiet day, is it, quiet place, day one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I had watched that, which is a bit like hiding and like, do you know what I mean? Sort of zombie-ish, isn't it? Even though they're not zombies.

It's mad that you've come to a place in your life where you're actually just tempted to give yourself nightmares. Well, it's just, it was like, Like, you do a really exciting job. you're a fucking stand-up comedian, a very high-end stand-up comedian, so that's a bit of a rush. You travel around the world, right, making incredible shows, that's a bit of a rush, but that's not enough for you. What you really want is even when you're sleeping,

when that is the only time, and I'm aware of how hard you work, right? It's not enough for you to put your heart to a constant stream of anxiety and worry. Right. Now you've got to a place in your life, right? Well, even when you're actually meant to be resting, you want to push your body through a surge of anxiety and worry. It's like your heart and your body is like, we might as well just fucking give up now really. This is insane.

Your brain calling your heart going, hey guys, just get ready everyone, I'm probably just gonna leave on his nicotine patch again. Oh what, by accident? No, no, no, no, he feels that he could actually, he feels that we're not working hard enough for him. Do you know, no, but do you know like, if you go on a rollercoaster, are you into rollercoaster?

No. Okay, but so I love going on rollercoasters. So when you go on a rollercoaster, when you first go on a really like every now and again you go on a really shit scary one. Most of them are like within a certain range. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm aware of the parameters of a rollercoaster. But what I mean is like if you go on them quite a lot, I'm sort of nervous parameters of a rider. I'll just, yeah, yeah. No, but what I mean is like, if you go on them quite a lot, I'm sort of nervous now that you're going to go, well, ever grown a coach to con a service, aren't I? But basically- No, I'm quite intrigued by this guy.

You get to a point where there's like certain types of them and you sort of know what you're getting. You know what I mean? And then every now and again, you get on one and it takes it to like another level. Yeah, it blows your mind. Yeah. And when you're first on again, you get on one and it takes it to like another level. Yeah, blows your mind. Yeah. And when you're first on it, you probably shit yourself and then you go, I want to go again. So that's how I feel about this nightmare. It was like, it was so vivid.

Yeah, but one of the differences is right. A roller coaster is a part of a day activity or a night activity. It's just a bit of a, yeah, you need rest. Like more than anyone else I know in the world. You need to fucking sleep. What you don't need is a way of making your fucking mind and your body go through more. Cause you know what that is? That's anxiety, right? Most of our lives are driven by an anxious fucking worry

or ray, whatever, do you know what I mean? The anxiety, the only time that, what you're meant to do when you go to bed is find probably things are more relaxing a little bit of lavender spray a little bit Some magnesium not fucking stick something on that's gonna make your sleepers more anxious than your actual day You're pointing your life where you seem to really want to go I really want to try and get 24 hours at least 24 hours a day I want to be utterly stressed and living in not just fear of what things that might happen, but things that are never going to happen. That's where I'll sort of be happy.

No, listen, I take all of your points, but I still think I'm going to do it. I know you're going to do it. I know you. I can tell that you've planned it out. I can tell that you've probably got no underpants or jeans on underneath, where I can't see, and you're already fucking excited about the thought of having a nightmare. It's nearly bedtime now. I can see in your eyes that it's probably going to happen tonight. Straight on the nutsack. Get those dreams going. Can I just share something else with you that has really shaken my thinking to my very core? Okay. Have you watched the documentary called The Social Dilemma on Netflix?

No. Let me tell you something, man. I've only watched the first part of it. And already I now think, and I know what I'm about to say sounds obvious, but I'm telling you man, not only do I now think all social media is evil, right? I think that anybody that puts content on there is contributing to the problem.

Well, wow. You and me are both social medias. We both, we're media arts. I know. We stick stuff up there. Yeah, yeah, sure. But I don't know how long, much longer I'm gonna be. Wow.

I am genuinely this close, I'm not exaggerating, I'm this close to shutting all of my shit down. Mate, you gotta watch this documentary, man. It's totally blown my mind. They talk about what they do to keep you looking at your phone, how they get your attention, how the attention you pay to it is a commodity, how you think that social media is a product,

but we're the product, we're being advertised to, and they're doing whatever they can to keep us paying attention so that we're just looking at our screens so they can suggest other shit to us. And then if you look away from your phone it's like little things like it'll go you've been tagged in a photo right and then it doesn't show you the fucking photo you have to click onto it to see what the photo is so that it gets you back in. All of this stuff that's like ethically, they should be building stuff in to stop you paying as much attention. And in fact, people that work in social media know that this is happening. That like, that we are just being hardwired. And look, all

of this stuff I'm saying, we've talked about, you and I talked about greyscaling our phones, we talked about, but now after watching this documentary, it's fucking evil. It is evil. But why did we, and this is, because I will watch this, and I'll probably have the same reaction as you, but why is it evil? What is the, like, because for me, that's no big surprise.

Like, there was a lot of part of me that didn't realize that I wasn't being, like, all of it has been, we're being sold something. Imagine, you've been in the dishes. And also, can I wasn't being, like all of it has been, we're being sold something. And also can I just, and we talked about this before, but the level of like what I think it's doing to people, for example, they've dropped, right, TikTok and Instagram has got open now that they've dropped people's views, like people,

you know, if you're not paying, essentially you're not getting the views you want to wear, type thing. So what you see then is you see a lot of people who, you know, who needed that, that feeling of being seen, they needed that to some sort of fulfillment in their life that became who they were, that become their identity. And when they, that they have no control over that. So when that gets taken away, all of a sudden they're like, fuck, they feel lesser of a person. That for me is fucked up. That's like a thing that's like, you know, cause they're like, fuck, they feel lesser of a person. That for me is fucked up. That's like a thing that's like, you know,

because they're essentially just, they can pick you up and go, right, this is the next big thing, and then just take that away like that. That's quite insane. So, but what, and what, what does it teach you that's new? That's like, you're like, oh shit, that's fucking crazy. It's difficult to explain.

Like, so, so you know, Instagram is addictive, right? Yeah. And Facebook's addictive and Twitter's addictive. Yeah, Instagram I think Facebook's so, I can't imagine some people, but I find Facebook really quite sad when I'm on it. There are people who spend all day, every day thinking about how to keep you glued to it.

They will go, if you make it this color, they won't be able to click away from it. If you give them this notification, it'll bring them back in. If you ping them like this, it'll mean they'll look back at their phone, right? Like there's all of these things that are just designed to keep you like that, right?

And there are people that work all day, every day. And the point that the documentary's trying to make, or some of the people the documentary's trying to make, is ethically, somebody should be stopping this. It's like if somebody, all their job was was to make cigarettes more and more addictive. They'll go, well, let's streamline it. How do we get it that, you know,

I'm fed up that there are times. But that was the thing, right? There are times. But that was the thing, right? But that was the thing. Yeah. And enough people died and enough people had cancer and it was proving the link. Right? So that, enough people stood up. No, no, no. But what I'm saying is, imagine if somebody was going, there are times when people, even people who smoke and not smoking, how do we target the times when they're not smoking?

How do we trigger them to... The idea is if they're smoking all day, every day. I don't like it that when people go to the toilet, they stop smoking. Is there a way that we can trigger them to have a cigarette while they're doing that? Is there a way that we can trigger them while they're breastfeeding to smoke? Like what I mean is social media is like, they don't want a minute when you're not using social media. So there are people that are just like, they just devote the whole thing is to make it as addictive as possible, which is frightening for us, for your children. I don't even know what to say.

Like it is horrifying. And then I started looking at it and I was thinking, well, I post video, I don't post videos all the time, but I do post a lot of videos. So now I'm part of the problem, right? So I'm now somebody that is encouraging people to look at their phone. And to be honest with you, by the way, I've just watched this documentary.

So it's possible that I'll be. But surely the argument to that is you're not sat there thinking to yourself, oh, okay, I need people to look at this thing. You're looking at, I'd assume, like here's something funny that people might get a kick out of. And the truth of it is, it's the biggest part of interaction that we have now. And that is worry and that is like a massive worry for us as human beings. But the only thing that really might change when you read into it, the thing that people now. And that is worry and that is like a massive worry for us as human beings. But

the only thing that really might change when you read into it, the thing that people say is that because we've all become so addicted in the same way that generations before us were addicted to cigarettes or whatever, that our kids and younger people will go, oh, this, it's just a bit naff or it's gonna, because weirdly it's not that different from cigarettes. As much as you think cigarettes, you think when we were kids, right, if you watched TV after a certain time, it was constantly, you know,

big celebrities advertising cigarettes or cigars and whatever and that was fucking, if you were sitting watching any ITV show, balls or whatever, in an evening, that was everything. So, and that is going to people, I'll have it, and if you're sitting there and you're a smoker, it's like, oh, I'll have a quick cigarette, do you know what I mean?

It's the same with alcohol, alcoholism, or betting, whatever. Like, I had a problem with, I was betting a lot too, especially during lockdown, I was betting, I got, like, yeah, because I'm obsessive as a person. And you'd sit and watch any football match, any boxing match, whatever, and there'd be a constant stream

of betting athletes coming up. And then you're sitting there thinking, oh fucking hell, like, seven to two, fucking Man United to beat Arsenal, come back from two one down, I'll have something like that, I'll put 20 quid up, do you know what I mean? I would literally every time,

and in that thing of gabble responsibly, said really quietly at the end. So it's essentially an advertisement, right? I get what you're saying. No, but it's like, in answer to your question, they're not saying anything, I don't think they're saying anything necessary that's like mind-blowing. Like, it's just, there are people that work in that industry that know that society's fucked as a result of social media and we're just going along with it. And so like I know what you're saying that if I'm posting a video I'm not deliberately trying to be part of the problem but after I watched that documentary I was like anybody

that posts content on social media might be part of the problem. I know that sounds like a radical thing to say and it's possible that tomorrow I won't feel like this but right now having just watched the documentary or part, I've not even watched all of it, I had a proper reaction to it. Yeah, Jerry Maguire. Pardon?

Jerry Maguire, you're an epiphany. Yeah. Epiphany. Yeah, yeah, basically. And I was like, maybe we need to shut all this shit down. Or you go, I'm going to post something on social media, but the post is suggesting something you should do that isn't on social media.

Yeah, but also, I don't know, like, I might be naive to this, but it's like, all day it's that Lapland. You're looking at families and you're looking at people. For the most part, it was one of the nicest things about it is as I look around, people weren't on their phones. People were in the moment. Today, I shouted a genie's wish when I went to a charity thing this morning to go out to Grace and Catherine.

It was an incredible charity that do things for kids who are terminally ill. It's an amazing charity. We went on to that. Again, the kids there and the people weren't on the phone. They were living in the moment. And people are filming things and whatever. I think society as a whole, there's so many strains of social media

and these media outlets as news, it's been unfact checked and what, we can go on and on. But I think the choice that we should all make is, I don't know, I can do it say this about being here. I look at it as well and go I Sit in a restaurant and I sit with my three What is she's nearly three now and if she's shouting and she's screaming I can see how the diners look getting annoyed I'll reach for my phone and I'll stick on frozen or stick on a game because it quieted it down

and then I look at that and think in what you're saying and when I read about I'm like that's a part of the problem and what I'm going for is a really easy thing of just going look at this quickly because this will quieten you down and then as we leave she's like I want to play this or I want to watch that and then like I'll go no no you've had your time but what you realize there is like it is addictive it is is like that is her escapism. She's escaping from it. And what I should be trying to do is make that more like she's in the moment.

It's like get used to boredom. When I was a kid, it was like this is boredom. Just get stuck. Suck it up. This is a Bernie in just mum and daddy having a nice meal. But it's like we're very late on in the pod. But we could talk about the one thing that is like becoming a big, something that I started reading about or looking in, not looking into, but, and a number of people,

I've sort of read a number of bits about this, is that kids need to be bored. Like being bored is good for you. Yeah. Kids now are like, we're in a situation where, and by the way, I'm aware that this isn't that funny, but they're like, we're in a situation now where kids, as soon as they're bored for even 10 seconds, are sort of asking to be stimulated or whatever. But actually, being bored is great for you, actually. It is really good for you. And we should be encouraging that more. But listen, we could talk about stuff that we're not qualified to chat about all day, and we do. We have some years.

We've been doing it for about 20 years, really. But it is time to wrap the thing. Anyway, listen, watch it. I'd love you. I'm gonna watch the rest of it. I'd love you to watch it. I love it. And we can break it down on the next episode.

Thank you so much for people that have sent in emails for the Ali Pali Christmas Show. Please do keep them coming in. We're going to be looking at emails during the show and hopefully if you put in a thing and it gets read out, we'll speak to you as well on the night. So pleased to get in touch. But Tom, anyway, I suppose I did that after. Well, it was a heavy ending then, my friend. You caught me high and dry. So I guess you want me to sum this up.

Well, you don't have to sum it up, you just do whatever pops into your head, really. That should be fair. My brain is awash now, I'm feeling quite guilty about it. And I guess that's the thing. Guilt. What is guilt? Is it worry? Is guilt only really guilt if you're not going to do anything about it? It's thinking about a phone that sits in your child's hands with an animation playing. Is that a path to destruction? Or just saying, oh, let's just get another bowl of chips because she's not eating those crudities. I guess the things that we do, the foods and fabrics and social media stuff that we feed our kids,

all has a part to play. But the fact about that is she'll be looking at our minds too. She'll be looking at how things run deeper. And also, is everything that seems bad actually bad? Sometimes some good can come from things. Sometimes when I feel a bit low and someone's messaged me on Facebook that I haven't seen for ages asking for money, yeah, they're asking for money, but they're also reaching out,

saying, hmm, I've been thinking about you recently, mate. I'm skinned. The truth is this. There's no bads and there's no all goods. Everything's got roller coaster moments. The thing about roller coasters is you can be up high thinking I've been on this one before and all of a sudden the fucking speed changes and you're upside down. You think, this is new.

And that's life. That's what Ronan Keaton meant. Life is a roller coaster. We don't really ever know where it's going. All we know we can do is fucking grip on baby and enjoy the ride. Really good. Really, really good.

Thank you so much. I mean to be fair, I had another thing planned and then again, you completely missed that. Sorry, did I go too heavy right at the end? It was very nice though. I enjoyed those sort of dalliances. Yeah. Kendrick Lamar dropped a surprise album song,

which I'm sure you'll be aware of. Yeah, it was all across that. Yeah. GNX. Delivered it without fanfare. No social media? I don't know. I don't know.

Well, actually, weird thing, India has banned TikTok. Wow. That's actually, yeah, yeah. I've actually, by the way with deleting TikTok from my phone. Have you really? How come? That is one that I just, I don't think there's any social media or whatever, but I just think I was just endlessly scrolling through it

and I've got work and writing that I needed to do and I was ending up spending hours just watching little pricks like Beaver, I think, and I wouldn't let this broke. If I saw him on a train, I'd jump off the train. Do you know what I mean? Let alone bringing him into my house and my office and my head.

So it was just, not just B-boy, quite a lot of it. I found it quite toxic, so I deleted it. There you go. I mean, we're listening. We're an hour and one minute in. You still found time to go in two-footed and someone right at the desk there. Anyway, Kendrick Lamar dropped the album,

GNX, a couple of nights ago. JT, could you play us a little bit of the track Luther, featuring another one of my favorites, Scissor. Thank you so much for listening. Is that about yourself as character from the BBC show? Why are you asking that? You know what, actually, I've only listened to the song once now.

I think it probably is. Right, let's have a look. He was a cool man, and Mac talks like that. Hey, man, my name's Luther, John Luther. Doesn's have a look. He was a call Matt and smacking talks like that. Hey, man My name's Luther John Luther doesn't look like it. I don't think so Okay, that's the shame. No, sorry. I'm really sorry. Okay Right. Well, sorry, Tom. Everyone. This is a banging chain from Kendrick Lamar. This is Luther not about it yourself But about another guy called Luther. Okay Thanks so much for listening guys. we'll see you next time.

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