Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 11: The Cat & An Asthmatic Grandma

Episode Date: March 12, 2025

This week it’s another international episode of the show - with Romesh in Mumbai and Tom still sat on his floor at home. Undeterred, we’re talking… a big family gathering, doing voices for toys, Rom at the boxing and an interview with Kugan Cassius, problematic fashion labels, bad gym faces and having no arse, a dilemma about an asthmatic grandma and a bit of bother with some sunglasses. Plus, the long-awaited reveal of our new podcast artwork! For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping, impressive in it, the death bringing its head spinning, just kidding, every word in this song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Hello and welcome to the Wolf and Owl. Ramesh Ranganathan, Tom Davis, we are going to talk to you now. How are you? Still on the floor. Still on the floor. What do you mean still on the floor? Yeah, I'm still recording this on the floor. Are you on the floor right now? Yeah. Why? I'm on the floor and on a box. The laptop now, my laptop now is

on a box that we haven't unpacked my mark friends between my legs This is and that's You know what isn't sad is Easter weekend we have a plan the blanket I feel we do have a plan I don't We're talking about it the focus So excited okay, but you've made such a big deal about not being invited to my house. OK, fine. Do you know, I've had some people who've been around at the house, amazing by the way, doing a bit of cleaning on the drive.

And he said it would look lovely for when Mr. Ranganathan comes around. Did you call me Mr. Ranganathan? Yeah. Oh my god, that's so nice. He's amazing by the way. What the problem is now is that I feel like It's not a real invite is it? It is a real invite. Mine is. I mean we're coming round. I said to Catherine I'm inviting you to get Nathan's round because you're coming in mass, right? Yes. We're all coming. And

Catherine was very excited. Tell Grace, Grace, you've got some work to do with Grace. I'm gonna lock you and Grace in a room Why what's my favorite people in the world? Well, just think you need to bond She loves your yum yum. So bring some of them. What about hold on? I don't know the way you're saying is like she was sounding disappointed. What's going on? No, she was she was very happy about the boys coming members of boys. Yeah, okay Yeah, fine the boys very happy about Lisa I think I think the thing is you need to get down to three-year-old level with her. I think she wants some playtime with you. Yeah. I love you on TV. Yeah I don't. You're gonna have to. I don't really.

I'm gonna break open the Barbies, the Frozen toys, you do some voices. What's your Frozen voice like? Who would you be Elsa or Anna? I wouldn't be, I don't, I wouldn't do that. Do you know what I mean? How do you think people wouldn't do that? Well I just, I don't, I mean I guess I used to do, I mean this is, my kids are older man I don't even remember what I used to do but like, I used to do voices when I did bedtime stories with them. You didn't, you didn't do voices with figures and playing?

Um. Like you were a horse or you go, how old am I? Yeah I did but, yeah no I did do it. I want to be the best horse in the world and How old am I? I'm a horse. Yeah, I know I did. I want to be the best horse in the world and the best friend I can to you. Okay, and we're going to say this horse has eaten Mickey Mouse. Yeah, but she hasn't got a Mickey Mouse figure at the moment. That's not a horse voice, is it? Well, maybe if you brought a Mickey Mouse figure.

Horse voice is like, lovely to see. No, this is what, no, you are stereotyping a horse's voice. You've heard enough cartoons over the years that horses talk like essentially a version of me, and you think that's how horses should talk. But horses, horses could talk any which way. They could talk like that, they could talk like that. This, I love that.

Yeah, you're right, do you know what? I was actually about to go in on you as I tend to do sometimes well most of the time unfairly but you're actually right horses can talk however they want. I think me, you and Grace, by the way you know who would be great for the boys as well. Yeah okay but can we just get to the bottom of this why are you suggesting this? Because she'll love it. No, no, no, no, no. I'm sure she'll love it. And I'm happy to do that. My question is, what was Grace's reaction when you told her I was coming around?

That's what I want. Let's get to the nub of this. Well, I said, Ramesh, I said, Ramesh and his family are coming around. So she went, the boys, and grinned. And I said, yeah, it's boys. The boys are coming. And Lisa, and she sort of smiled. I said, and Ramesh. the boys are coming and Lisa and she sort of smart I said and Romesh and she sort of smother she knows you and I think she because I talked so much about you

She calls you daddy's best friend. There's that's something you should which is very sweet So so you're happy to just let her continue under that misapprehension, right? How can how can daddy's best friend not have been around to the house ever? Wait, no one's been around to the house. You're the first guest of honor. I've not been to your last house Yeah, the last house. I was the last house was never really a home for us I mean, how long were you there for? About a year. Oh crap. Yeah backfired on me though. I thought you were there for longer. Shit

So this is this is our home now. Okay, listen, I'm really looking forward to it, Tom, and can I just take this opportunity to say thank you so- Let's talk of having a picture of me and you in the house. Like a painted picture of me and you. Well, we're not gonna have to pose for a portrait. I'd like to get, so far it sounds like I'm gonna play with some Barbies

and then pose for a portrait. Sound like the best day so far. I'm really working on my vegan cooking for you. Don't worry too much. It's a steak for the boys and Lisa to build that their iron. And then a little bit of vegan food for you. They eat finer. You're suggesting that what? The implication there is that I'm forcing them to eat vegan

and they're malnourished as a result. You're gonna throw bits of steak to them like hungry wildcats. No, it gives you nice cuts of beef. You don't know what you're doing when it comes to steak. I know that steak. No, in fact, I've never cooked a steak. Weird, is that weird?

What? Of course it is. Why is that weird? If it's nice whether I'll get you out by the barbecue, me and you just stand about a barbecue with a couple of steaks just frizzling away. Yeah. At least you'll look out the window and go oh my god he looks so cool at the moment. You have your sunglasses on there now, Hawaiian shirt. I'm looking forward to it man, I'm really looking forward to it. Tony Soprano vibes. Yeah. The mustache and hair is...

I saw the picture of you at the boxing the other day. And you genuinely... I had to second-glance to make sure it was different. You look so fucking cool. No, that's not well. That's lovely of you to say, but I've been getting trolled horrifically. What? I just want to give you some context okay. On Friday, no

when was it the boxing? Saturday? When was it? Anyway, it's Friday wasn't it? So Friday morning I ran a half marathon and I found it really hard right as part of my marathon training and then I was just really knackered and you know like, this sounds like I'm calling up. Anyway, the point is, the thought of going to the boxing at that stage when I got back from the run felt an impossibility. Do you know what I mean?

I was just like, I'm so battered. But I wanted to go to the boxing, it was a great event. So I got showered up, got ready and I was on my way. But I was fairly, fairly, feeling pretty knackered. Natasha Jonas, right? Natasha Jonas, Lauren Price, yeah, incredible fight, great fight. Natasha Jonas, absolute legend of the game,

I would say, by the way. Yeah. One of the best pundits out there, brilliant fighter. No, she was great. Lauren Price, a warrior. Lauren Price was just, it was just an unbelievable fight from her. So anyway, I bump into Kugin Cassius, right?

Who I first was made aware of when some boxing fans outside a bar started shouting Kugin at me. And it became clear that there is a thing going around that Kugin and I look like each other. I don't think you look like each other at all. Well, I don't think so either. But among the boxing fraternity, we do apparently. So anyway, Kugin says says can I do a quick interview?

What's the height difference by the way, sorry? He's taller than me, much taller than me. Anyway, so he gets the camera. Coogan shoots it, it's so close up on me, right? It's so close, it's inside me, right, this shot. Jeez, I've seen it by the way. Yeah, it's not good, it's not a good look. Anyway, the interview is fine, I've seen it, by the way. Yeah. It's not good. It's not a good look.

Anyway, the interview is fine. Keegan's fine, whatever. The amount of eye banter I've been getting off the back of this video, I can't even. And some people, by the way, banter, I don't want. Some people are going, he can watch a tennis match without turning his head, usual kind of stuff. Also, I've heard that a hundred times.

I know, I know. It's all the same stuff. But, I've heard that a hundred times. I know, I know, it's all the same stuff. But some people just going, just straight like statements. His eyes look quite bad close up, don't they? That's not banter, is it? That's just like a... That's a thought, that's a fucking thought that should just be in your head

that you've fucking opened up to the rest of the world. Anyway. What the fuck is that? Anyway, not ideal. But it was a great night. It was a great night. But I, and that's it. I was about to say more. But I'm just-

The boxing crowd is quite a, it's a gregarious group of souls, right? A lot of labels, a lot of brands, I would say. A lot of badges. Probably the highest ratio of designer badges to people in any walk of life. Do you think Stone Island, because Stone Island, right, is when Stone Island started, Stone Island wasn't this, right?

What do you mean? Well, Stone Island was never, they didn't make Stone Island. It's an Italian brand, right? It's, you know, it wasn't made for football. It's the same thing as the Burberry, right? The Burberry cap The Burberry shares absolutely fucking dropped in the late 90s, early part of this century with people wearing that, hooligans and whatever wearing that. But then obviously they're making quite a lot of money.

I've essentially got so much stick at one point. I've got rid of it. I was so much. I did like it I'm a massive stone on a fun. I will say that Stone Island I Got I think that's some time their trousers. All right, I think the jackets I was wet I actually got stick when I did League of their own for wearing the badge on my trousers by a certain someone. I won't Somebody we know yes. I was on the into the... What, somebody we know? Yeah, someone was on the show, yeah. Oh, did you? On the show? Did it get into the show?

Yeah, yeah. All right. No, no, no, no. I think it was just a bit of bullying that went on backstage. I'm going to take a look at who that might be. Anyway, carry on. Backstage. But no, but it was what I found hilarious was the fact that, yeah, I've always thought,

but then I'm like, wow, this is a brand that's very expensive, yet I've had quite a lot of stick for it. And also the connotation in which it brings when you're also a six foot seven white skinhead and you're walking around with Stone Island on, it can, yeah, it could almost come across a little bit like a political statement. People are stereotyping you aren't they there Tom you know they're not realizing that you're a sensitive sweet and loving soul that would never dream of being negative or aggressive or anything like that but it's a weird one isn't it because like that phenomenon of labels being kind of distorted it happened a lot in the 90s with like,

it's not so much now, because hip hop is kind of considered less, less dangerous, I guess, whatever, or less like, you know, less problematic. I suppose, whatever, it makes more money, is the truth of it. It makes more money so labels are happy with this. But back in the 90s, when people like Jay-Z

and like all of these rappers were not appropriate, but wearing brands and talking about them in a tune, certain brands were disassociating themselves. They didn't want to be affiliated with rappers because it was a former racism. It's not, I mean, as I say, it's a former racism. It is racism, essentially. They didn't want their labels to be sullied

by them becoming popular with a black population. You know, that's it. So some labels were okay with it and some labels weren't. And then when you talk about like Stone Island and Burberry and stuff like that, without getting too deep, which, you know, we're never in danger of on this podcast, but it does raise a question about who is supposed to be allowed to wear these labels. Do you know what I mean? Like, I can imagine that labels, whenever you've got to design a label, you've got an image in your mind's eye

of what that person wearing it is supposed to look like. And then when it gets taken by, I don't know, a certain section of society you're not as happy with. You know, it's a weird phenomenon, isn't it? Like, who's allowed to wear shit and who's not? Yeah, I I mean I think anyone should wear whatever, my thing was just the connotation that comes across because of a certain group of people. I just want to be clear because I do care about you and I want to

protect you in this situation you don't associate with those people anymore Jimmy yes it was was it a massive part of your past? Yes. But I thoroughly enjoy it. Have you been known to throw patio furniture? 100%? Is that something you would do now as a part of a recreation? The only time I've ever thrown patio furniture is if a barbecue has gone extremely badly. If the egg has fucked up. If I've overdone a burger or I've sent out some undercooked chicken, that's the only time

I've ever known to launch some furniture. Where are you now? In your travels, by the way, is that your room or is that the meeting center of the hotel? No, it's my room. Wow, fab. It's got automatic curtains and I can't figure out where the switch is to open them. And then like if you pull on them, if you pull on them, I don't want to break it.

So... It's a beautiful looking room, Fred. Yeah, it's nice, it's nice. I'm in Mumbai filming Robert Romesh versus. So that's all I can say. What are you going to say? That's all I can say, Tom. That's all I can.

Tom, don't push me on it. That's all I can say, bro. Wow, bro. That's the fucking thing, Mumbai. I'm so worried about you being on the floor. It's actually good for my core. It's good for my core, that's all I'm thinking. You've been exercising quite a bit haven't you? Yeah I've been trying to keep on top of it. I did post the other day on Instagram, it's just Saturday night getting it in and I've got quite a lot of pervy sort of stuff.

Well you did look quite, you looked, I don't know, you looked like you've been exerting yourself and then it was a weird facial expression. Yeah, it was my gym face. Yeah, okay. But yeah, what I'm saying is, I'm not saying it's right, but I get it why you got that. What's your gym face like? I'm not convinced I pushed myself hard enough to be honest with you. I don't really have a gym face. You have to push yourself. I mean, we've seen your marathon face.

Your marathon face was a real exertion of like, that sort of thing. I don't know if I like you on the floor. It's sort of, your piss taking is a little bit of the humor's dropped out and it's just kind of mean. You're mean on the floor.'s just kind of mean You're mean Show me what you think your marathon face is like That's exactly what I did Yeah, it's bad I've been experimenting with fueling this week

What do you mean fueling? You know, the energy gels and all that. Like electrolyte tablets. Speaking of electrolytes, by the way, when I finished my half marathon, do you know what I tucked into? A big old frosty glass of watermelon mandrill electrolytes. Oh my God, delicious. Absolute delight.

Thank you, thank you. Really good. It's a good flavor, by the way. It is actually genuinely. I'm not just saying it to, because you're my good. It's a good flavor by the way. It is actually, genuinely. Yeah, thank you. I'm not just saying it to, because you're my mate. It's really good. Yeah, we've spent quite a lot of time getting that one right. So the citrus, I think, is just good,

but we need to probably push a little bit more of the lime fragrance through it. But anyway, enough about me and Madara. Okay, how do you feel about some Moral Dilemmas, Tom? Yes, I enjoyed the other one so much so that yeah let's do this again. This been quite difficult because I started to try and look for moral dilemmas a lot of them involve you potentially killing some not you personally but like yeah it's just a bit there's a lot of accidents in this so I'm just going to put a trigger warning in here because like it full. All right Okay. Here's the first one. It's about a

grandmother, okay Your grandmother suffers from asthma She has a pet cat and the doctor has told you that this is making your grandma's asthma worse and will reduce her life expectancy and her quality of life Just quickly how long she had the cat? That doesn't say I'm giving you I'm reading out everything Asmas the cook if she's If you're just say this just in a logistical thing, right?

if my grandmother Who suffers from asthma if I turn up at her house and she's brought a cat? She's my my I'm not why you bought number one. Why are you buying a cat at 96? Hmm. That's fucking insane Yeah, I mean, where's it gonna go up when you know, that means one of us has got to fucking take him, right? Or her. Is that how you talk to your grandmother? I mean, this is the first moral dilemma here. My grandmother was, my grandmother was no shrinking violet, let me tell you. She was a fiery woman.

Okay. No, but I'd say in a more kindly way, okay, you're my grandmother. Let's just play this out. I come into the house Why does my grandmother look like you? Grandma look like you you just run a marathon. Sorry. I'm just I'm trying to do that. I'm trying to do the asthma Hello Nana, you alright love? Hello darling, how are you? Alright, okay.

Honestly, you've got to eat something, you look like you're wasting away. Come and have a couple of Eccles cakes. I know you love those. Well you know I love Eccles cakes, but my best friend Ramesh is running the marathon. What's wrong, you coughing a bit? I've just got a bit of asthma. I just got a bit of a tickly throat my lover. Come on, sit, you know what I mean?

Who's this, who's this? Hey, wait, who's this walking around on the floor? Oh, that's Nigel, my cat. Nigel? Why have you named the cat after the window cleaner? It's not after the window cleaner, it's after Farage. Oh, okay, very good. I just think he's so charming when I see him on the telly, It's not after the window cleaners after Farage. Oh okay. I just think he's so charming when I see him on the telly.

Talking about send them back. I love it. Can I say now, can you stop watching Weekend Sleep? You're becoming a lot like a prick I know. I've got to say Tom, you've been a bit mean. Have you been sitting on the floor? It's making been a bit mean. Have you been sitting on the floor?

It's making you a bit narky, if you don't mind me saying. On the bus, on the railway. Why have you brought a new cat? I love cats, you know me, Tom. I love a cat. Then what's YouTube videos have done? You're 96. You don't call. You don't call.

Do you? Well, if I'm honest with you, I've heard all your stories a hundred times. Listen. Listen. What is it, man? It's really, really, really, really like, it's not cool to buy a cat. It's irresponsible.

It's unresponsi... Your asthma being the way it is and your respiratory problems, buying a cat feels quite foolish. And like, do you know that 90% of cats now are left to wander the streets on their own with their owners die? Is that true? Yes. 90%? Because people like you will buy a beautiful tabby cat. This sounds like another one of those fake facts you do like when you're on your podcast with that lovely ramish. You're so horrible to him. You're so horrible. He's such a charming boy. Spent half an hour having a cup of coffee with him and see how you feel. What I'm trying to say, what I was trying to get at, that was a very good impression of my nan by the way. Thank you. And my mum, and nearly every woman in my family,

the way they defend you, including Catherine. Um, is that, right, so I think it's irresponsible anyway, that she's got a cat. She's got a new cat, and if she's had a cat for a while. Can I just throw a little spanner into the works here? Just to, I know what you're saying, why she's got a cat if she's got asthma. It might not be, she might have got asthma, but she doesn't realize it's the cat that's making it worse.

So she's hanging out with the cat. But just buying a cat at 96 is insane. No, but she's had the cat for a while. She's had asthma for a while. Yeah, but then I'd have encouraged her to go and have allergy tests. Anyway, let's go on. Your grandmother lives alone and doesn't... So the doctor says that this is making your grandma's asthma worse And will reduce her life expectancy and her quality of life your grandma However lives alone does not want to get rid of the cat. She says it keeps the company. What should you do?

What would you do? Wow? Well number one, you know, baby ever chat about getting some fish what? You know, baby ever chat about getting some fish? What? Baby, yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Or sort of someone something that she or a parrot. I mean, the parrot is quite a laugh.

Yeah. Yeah. You can have a chat with the parrot. Yeah. It's not a bad shout. And then probably trying to smuggle the cat out and sort of dead at night, sort of sneak it into the house. You sneak the cat out?

Yeah. Do you not feel that's like a horrible then you Grandmother wakes up the next morning and the cat's missing Well, this is what I'd say. Oh, you know what? I think he knew that he was giving you allergy problems and that you were too weak To get rid of him because you love him so much He's been the stronger person in your relationship with your cat and he's decided to leave Right, and you see your grandma's gonna buy What was your grandma? I mean is she

You think she's gonna buy that cats are very very perceptive animals. We're getting a cat you're getting a cat Yeah, are you really? Yeah, we are. Yeah, we're getting a cat grace and a cat for grace. Yeah, you'll care. Oh, that's cute. We're calling it Maui Grace yeah, little kitten. Oh that's cute. We're calling it Maui. She was called Maui because it sounds like Meowin but also it's her favorite character from a cartoon is Maui from. Yeah okay. What would you do in that situation? Grandmother suffers from asthma. I think I would try and strike a deal with her. Can I say what, by the way, my both, you know, a lot of older people that have been in my life, once they get to a point

and their health is really, really suffering, most of them are like, I just want to tap out. Oh God, Tom, it was dark enough already without you doing that. Well, you brought it up, I'm just saying that. You're suggesting sort of like I'm fucking done it. Oh my God. No, no, I'm just saying that. You're using the cat song. No, I'm just saying that if given the ultimate if you turn to them and say this cat's making you worse and that's

the only friend she's got, she won't be strong enough to be the cat. You're using the cat to euthanise her. But then I might not be selfish. She's happy with the cat. If I take the cat out at the dead of night and she's then not got a cat she thinks cat she needs a cat you've got the risk of her waking up and thinking there's an intruder in the house which is a horrible experience by the way no I'm pretty stealth like okay so you go and you get the cat I can break into your house put an egg on your sideboard and you wouldn't even know I was there the idea that you could keep that for a secret for even more than 10 minutes you'd find me I'd be like you do it at 3, 10 past 3, I'd be getting a phone call, you're on the driveway.

You're what? Have a look around. No, go on, have a proper look around. Are you planning on making pancakes tomorrow? Where there might be something that could help you with that. Um, I would say, how about this as a solution. You say to your grandma, look, the cat's gotta go. your grandma look the cat's gotta go the doctor said the cat's gotta go she's like I'm really upset I'm really upset

and then you say okay how about this how about we get rid of the cat first of all I'll make sure the cat goes to an amazing home so the cat's gonna have a great great life possibly better way that's a worse lie than the cat fucking what no but secondhand cat there's but cat people do not want a second hand cat that's been at a sort of like You know if she's had it for years, he's on his last legs himself Do I mean? Well, you're gonna take it yeah Well, yeah, I mean that might care. I think you're even fucking better than you are. What do you mean? What does that mean?

Well, no, cuz she loves you anyway for the weakest link and then I'll go here Well, Romesh is gonna have your old cat. Yeah, so I'll take the cat and then I'd say I know that you like talking to the cat How about I make a promise to you that I'm gonna visit twice a week and then the sort of everyone's happy, aren't they? She yeah, what do you think? Well, it's a yeah. I mean the trouble is they're not I'm a behest of I've made a promise that I have to fucking live Bye. All right. Yeah, that's that me that history. I mean there are that Can I just say that you know, I'm turning up twice a week

You know conversation with that's why that's why my name would have like the fucking cat She's not gonna chat to it. Well, she can talk and the cat doesn't talk back the fucking cat she's not gonna chat to it well she can talk at the cat doesn't talk back do you know In the office where Brent's like does the the talk and then he's they say to you We want a photo and he sort of does it lot of sort of across the desk or whatever That's sort of the energy you're giving today Yeah like Your arm up on your knee you sort of being quite casual

It's kind of like it, can I say something honestly? I know you're looking really good at the moment and if this is what's happened, then I'm happy to celebrate it. Do you feel quite sexy at the moment? No, I'm fucking sitting on the floor in my pants. Exactly, that's what I'm saying. Like, do you feel, and I'll be delighted,

are you feeling a little, are you feeling yourself a little bit today? No, no, no, no. Okay. You've just got to vibe about it, sort of, er, how it is. I think it is sitting on this, I think it's sitting on this floor. It's almost like giving me a bit of, like a sort of fire in my belly. I like it. Like, it's a floor vibe. What's your, do you have this problem? So I know I talk a lot about having no ass whatsoever. My ass, I don't think, is suitable, completely suitable for sitting on.

And what I mean by that is I seem to get very, I seem to get uncomfortable before most people in a chair. And it's because it feels like my ass is really getting, my ass gets really getting sore. Do you work glutes? Are you a glute guy? Did you hit your glutes? Dude, on League of their own I've been humiliated so many times about my lack of ass. I have done so many squats, I've done Bulgarian split squats, I've done just everything.

Genuinely goblet squats, all the squats, working the glutes, the bloody glute bridge, you know that sort of weird sexual exercise, all of that. I've done all of that, so much. Do you ever feel, when I do the glute bridge, the glute bridge, in the gym, I always feel that people watch you with a sense of, oh my God, imagine if I had sex with him.

That's how he, look at his glute movement. I know. How rigid it is. It's difficult, hit, look at his glute movement. I know. It's rigid, it is. It's difficult, isn't it? Because you sort of feel like- So unsmooth. You really are giving yourself away there. What I get very nervous about,

now that I'm working out in the garage, I feel a bit more comfortable at doing it. When I used to work out at Nuffield, I'd get nervous that someone would go up to Lisa the next time she's working out and go, you okay? And what were you talking about? Just, you happy at home and stuff. Yeah, why?

I just, no, no, well look, I saw Ramesh doing the glute bridge when you were sitting last time and I just wanted to say that can't be fun. Me and the girls are here for you. Yeah, something like that. Jim Bro just walking up to her going, hey Lise, you all right, yeah? Good, yeah? I see your man in there the other day

doing the glute bridge. It was kind of... made me and the other guys kind of sad for you. You ever want to get a smoothie or something? Just give me a shout, yeah? Oh, God. Thanks, Jack. That's the kind of shit that would happen to us. Do you know what I mean? And then suddenly Lise suddenly like least like this is going to the gym three times a

day. She was into it. This is wild. Okay. Do you want another one? This is quite similar to one we've done before, but anyway. Actually, it's just similar to an email we've got in, but anyway, I'm going to read it. You work at a company with one of your friends. Your friend is a computer whiz, and one day that he says, imagine this is me, one day he tells you that he's hacked into the company's accounts and discovered that the assistant manager is stealing money from the company

You feel you should tell the manager But if you do she will ask you how you know if your manager hears that your friend is hacked into the company's accounts Your friend will be fired. What should you do? complicated story this Yes, quite tough one as well. So your friend is computer whiz. So you saying you're my friend And it's not so I don't have to be it could be anyone have to be, it could be anyone. It could be Defon. It's just good to... yeah, if Defon's not really like a computer where it's either you or you. No, no. I mean, these are fiction. I've not actually hacked into anyone's accounts either.

I'm just having to think whether this is a work friend, or is actually my best friend, or we've just sort of become best friends because we work together. Oh, I see. Well, it doesn't say best friend, it just says friend. Okay, so only just a friend. I mean, the truth of the matter is that, I mean, you're in a bit of a bind there, aren't you? I mean, there's a part where- Yeah, you are. I mean, that's the whole point of moral dilemma, yeah.

Yeah, but I mean, morally, I am like, if the assistant manager's stealing, I'm like, I'll probably say to the hacker, look, is there a way that you could probably steal some money from the company? For both of us. Right. If you're that good at computers and stuff, and you found out that what he's doing is not a way that you could.

That's a whole new dimension to this. Is it not a way that you... Yeah, because both companies treat their employees like shit. Right. I mean, that's a good, listen, it's a good point. I mean, a lot of it depends on what company you're working for. If you're working for a little sort of, you know, family owned... If I'm working for a small family owned nice...

If I'm working for Coughlands, then I'm fucking going straight to them and fucking saying, yo, someone's fucking stealing from me in the system. Yo, Sean. Yeah, but I'm also going to say this Coughlin's love Sean love Coughlin's I'm guessing that I haven't got like a fucking whole fuck a computer with who's able to hack and fucking get into different Yeah, I guess this is all fictional. I say so yeah, but this is a thing. I can't think about things picture I've got to think about him as a reality. Okay, fine. All right, so I'm thinking I'm basically working You know like a big fucking bank or something. Yeah

Right and my friend Edgar comes up and he goes, yeah fucking hell man. Yo, you know, yeah the assistant manager this place I'm like what Greg Greg Davenport. He's like, yeah. Yeah, he's fucking stealing. I'm like, how the fuck do you know this? I got he's like hacked into the mainframe. I Then probably taking for a couple of beers. We'd have a little bit of a chat and I'd go, listen, Edgar, if fucking Greg's having it away and you found Greg, you're clever enough to find Greg. You could see the mistakes that Greg has made

for you to fight, and then you could start basically weaseling in and getting a little bit of cash for us, bro. Okay, yeah, it's an interesting. And then basically, like, and then if we get caught, for us bro. Okay yeah yeah it's an interesting I mean you're like basically like you you if and then if we get caught you blame it all on Greg. What? What? Okay well I mean I guess the moral dilemma stuff doesn't work if you don't have any morals. So you would try and rob the company further and then stick it on this guy. The company is stupid enough to let the assistant manager steal for ages

yeah and fucking they can't find out but Edgar who's one of the computer fucking and then stick it on this guy. It's a company that's stupid enough to let the assistant manager steal for ages. Yeah. And fucking they can't find out, but Edgar, who's one of the computer fucking guys, can, and I'm like, oh fucking, it's a free for all here. Tell me what you think of this. I used to work at Sunglass Heart. Yeah. And every, like you'd have like your own little sales number

so that they could log the sales to your, you'd have targets, monthly targets, whatever. And one, we used to have like an area manager number as well that you could put in if you had to do a refund or whatever because you needed authorization. Right, so anyway, one day the company issued a thing saying you're no longer allowed to use, you can't use

the area manager's number anymore okay you have to make a phone call because there'd been some like fraud incident or something like that they just didn't they what they wanted to stay control of stay in control of that number so they said you're not allowed to use that number anymore so I said okay cool anyway I then get a phone call two weeks later from the manager of the store. And she says to me, Romesh, when you're on shift with one other person,

and this other person is a friend of mine, a good friend of mine, said, you two were on shift and the area manager number was used. This is like a disciplinary offense. I'm just going to ask you now have you used a number? I hadn't used a number right but it had been used while we're on shift. No one else has been in the shop so it's one of us two. Right then I start thinking have I done it without remembering or something and she goes well you're he's here do you two want to sort this out on the phone?

So she knows that one of us is lying. He's with you at the time she's with him. She's with him. He's dubbed you mate, he's dubbed you hard. Right sort this out on the phone so she knows that one of us is lying he's with you at the time she's with him she's with he's dubbed you mate he's dubbed you hard right so he gets on the phone this is fucking great yeah and he said and he gets on the phone and I say I said he gets me she also listening in so they got a phone between she says I'm going on she's cuz I'm gonna let you two sort it out on the phone now. She's listening in, she's an earwigger. My mate. She's an earwigger, f-f-f-f. So I go to him, what's going on?

And he goes, I don't know, man. And I said, look, I'm just telling you I didn't use the number. If you did use the number, just tell me, just so I know and then we'll figure out what we're going to do about this. And he goes, I'm telling you, I didn't use the number. So I go Okay, but how do you think the number got using because it wasn't me and I'm thinking but then you probably You're probably thinking the same about me as I'm thinking about you. He's like no Fucking used it the piece of shit. So

anyway, so He goes I didn't do it. I didn't use it. So go. Okay. Well, I said so a good We'll give the phone back to the manager. So she gets back on the phone and she goes, go on then, what is it? And I said, look, I didn't do it. He's saying he didn't do it. I don't think he's a liar.

So I don't know what to say to you. You're going to have to discipline both of us. Right? So we both get a verbal warning, right? How does a verbal warning work in that world? It's literally just the speaking to it, then if it happens again, it goes to written, and then, I don't know, some sort of disciplinary procedures.

I don't fucking know. Anyway, 15 years- Sorry, is it the base? Is someone just going, okay, Ramesh, so and so, this is a warning, you're on a warning now? I think it's something like it goes on a record or something. This is me giving you a verbal warning for you. Anyway, maybe like five, six years later, Like it goes on a record or something. This is me giving you a verbal warning for you. Anyway

Maybe like five six years later. I'm going to the cinema with this guy and So you still quite good friends from friends with him now, right? Okay. Okay. So in fact, he listens to the podcast So We're going to the cinema and as we walk into the cinema we start talking about that that incident. Our time at Sunglass Hut and he said, oh yeah that was me by the way. I said what? What? And he said yeah it was me that used a number. I said why didn't you tell me? Because I just was like, I already got into trouble for something else and I just didn't want to like get into more trouble.

So I just, so here's my question to you. What would your reaction be to this? Well, seven years later, I'm going to laugh about it. But at the time I'd have been seething. I mean, look, I get it. You like to run with bad boys when you were younger. You're like. Why'd you have to?

You like my shit. No, you like my shit. Can I say something? I really do not like you on the floor, man. Why do you have to? You're out of your shit. No, you're out of your shit far from it. Can I say something? I really do not like you on the floor, man. You're a real piece of shit on the floor. No, that's been as a compliment. You used to like to run with bad boys when you were younger.

Like, yeah, your friends were naughty boys. Have I told you the story about me confronting a guy that stole from the shot? Have I told you this story? No confronting a guy that stole from the shot? Have I told you this story? No, but I'll go for it. So there was a group of lads. They were like, I don't know, sort of notorious. You know a certain group of lads that got a reputation. Were you in, sorry, is this when you were in Gatwick?

Is this the Gatwick show? Yeah, this is when I was in Gatwick, right? And a couple of them came into the shot when I was at Gatwick. I was working land side at that point, so anybody can came into the shop when I was at Gatwick. I was working at Landside at that point, so anybody can come into that shop. And when you live near an airport, when you're a kid, you just constantly go into the airport, because walking around the shops is an absolute nightmare

for people that work at the airport, just seeing a bunch of lads, just teenagers wandering around the airport terminal. Anyway, so a couple of guys came in, and they asked me to, and they were like, this had to describe it, you know when you, on the surface you get on with them but you're sort of, you don't really. Do you know what I'm talking about?

You know the type of people I'm talking about, like, all right Ramesh, and you go, yeah all right man, you know that kind of stuff. That's the type of it. Yeah, it's a, yeah, bullies, right? Yeah, so he says can I please? Can I try on these Ray-Bans? So he tries on the Ray-Bans and they he's chatting to me again. Oh, they look quite good I don't want them to do anyway a couple of them are chatting to me. It's all a bit

Long story short, they nicked the sunglasses. Oh, man. So I'm like, fuck. So I immediately try and think what I'm going to do about it. So first of all, I have to report that the sunglasses have gone missing. And then I speak to the manager, which is what you're supposed to do. I have to say, look, I'm really sorry, but I actually know this guy. And she says to me- What are you saying there? I don't know.

I don't know. Because I felt- I mean, I actually love the fact you're so sweet and so honest, but fucking hell. I'd only just started the job, so I was really freaking out. And I just thought, what if he comes back? I don't know if he comes back. I don't know. I don't know.

I was just freaking out. He gets convicted to stealing sunglasses. What if he just suddenly thinks there's some fucking weak link in the Sunglass Art Network and it's this little patsy working at South Terminal Landside that can keep just get free suddenly starts telling his mates I do you want free Ray-Bans oh there's some absolute fucking mug working in South Terminal Landside let's go in there you actually do a guy and grab your sandwich while you've helped yourself to what the sunglasses you want is a fucking little mug so anyway I thought to myself I've got to do something about this right I

cannot just stand by and let this happen. So I knew the address of one of the guys. I didn't know his address, the guy, the Nick Sundance. Oh my God, Rob. So I went to his house, right? And I knocked on his door. This is so, I can't believe it. It's so stupid.

My respect for you here is boundless. So I knocked on his door and I said, won't name anybody but he answered the door and I said look You came in the other day. I can't remember whether he was there or not But I do know that he's made so much that you came in the other day Well, you'll make him in the other day and he stole my sunglasses So the sunglasses from the shop I was working at he put my job in jeopardy. I need to speak to him now Right, so he then he said then he said I was shit by the way. I'm saying this like I'm confident inside

I'm shitting myself right? Yeah, of course fucking oh quality for you, bro So anyway, then he imagined this imagine what happened to my ass on how he goes. Oh, he's actually on his way around now. Oh So then they he turns up with a few other lads right? Probably play FIFA or something I'd imagine. Yeah, I imagine something like that. I don't know what these kids do. I don't know what the cool kids do then. Or just to throw knives or something.

So then we're outside the front door and he goes, Alright Ramesh. They're teamed up. They're firmed up. So he goes, Alright Ramesh. And then this teamed up, they're firmed up. Yeah, so he goes, all right Ramesh, and then this guy goes, oh yeah, he wanted to speak to you. And I go, listen, I know you nicked the sunglasses. And he said, no, I didn't.

And I go, you did, you're on camera. That was a lie. Said, you're on camera, like, nicking them, so you did Nick the sunglasses And he goes are they saying are they gonna like they're gonna do anything about it? And I just went I think they might do I mean like you're on camera. It's pretty clear Oh you met a failure motherfucker. I said I said I said the thing is I actually started to even I shit myself I started to build up in confidence as I was talking. Of course you did.

I said, you've got them in your palm of your hand. I said to him, you've put my job in jeopardy and I don't really appreciate it. You're like Donnie Brasco. You need to bring the sunglasses back, right? And he said, he goes, I can't. He goes, I've got rid of them. He goes, why don't we like pay the money back?

Like I'll pay half, you pay half. I said, I don't see why I should have to pay half. I didn't knit the sunglasses. I really had got some confidence here. Anyway, the long and the short of it is the guy didn't have the money to pay for sunglasses and he didn't have them anymore. So I just said to him,

I knew that nothing was going to happen to this guy, right? Because I just spoke to the manager, the manager's like, this shit happens all the time. What are you going to do? We're not going to go on some the manager's like, this shit happens all the time, what are you gonna do? We're not gonna go on some sort of vigilante, fucking find the guy, but I decided to. Yeah, but what I love is, you've fucking, your balls are fucking massive here.

You turned up to fuck it. Yeah, it was so stupid. I could have got the shit, I mean, it was so mental, I could have got the shit kicked out of me. Anyway, then I just went. The only thing you should have said is that they saw us talking together. And now they know that I know you and they've seen you steal it. They said the police are on me.

Yeah, that would have been better. Anyway, the shorter bits I said, I don't know what's going to happen to you, man. It's out of my hands. Good luck. Just walked off. And obviously nothing happened to them because they weren't taking it any further. Did you see them again after that? Yeah, do you know what? Changed the relationship.

I mean, I'm not saying that... Because you stood up for yourself. You weren't the patsy. He would have turned around to everyone and been like, fucking you know what, he's got some fucking acorns actually. And do you know what I'd say? Genuinely, the mad thing about it, I only went on to Nick about seven or eight pairs from me for the rest of the time I was working there.

So it just goes to show you, do you know what I mean? Stand up for yourself. Stand up for yourself. Lay down in the game. Right, Tomo. It's about that time, my guy. Yeah, we've got a chip and chip, man. We've got a chip and chip.

Right, people. Yeah. Yo. Yo. This... Yo. Yo. This week, eyes have been watering,

nose has been streaming, waking up every day anticipating the flurry of pollen into my holes, my eye holes, my ear holes, my nose holes, my mouth, knowing that that's gonna bring on some kind of slight wheezing too. But it's pretty tough. Not so tough, however, if I have my hay fever, too, and my medication. See the truth about it is, sunnier days sometimes only come with a little bit of adversity.

Higher climbs, brighter climbs, there's always going to be a price to pay. If the price to pay is a sneeze every now and again, or a scratchy throat, I'm happy to make that deal. I guess that's the thing about life. Sometimes to get the things you want and do the things you have to do, you sometimes have to be uncomfortable. Like a sweet boy, working land side at Gatwick,

who gets put in a position he doesn't want to be put in. Does he grize a human being and confront? Does he step back and just let the sea of negativity wash over him? He became a man that day. I'm not saying that confrontation is good, I'm just saying that sometimes, just sometimes, if you want to bring out the sun in your own sweet life, every now and again, you've got to have a runny nose. And that's life, baby. That was really beautiful.

I didn't think you'd be able to do it because of how you've been since sitting on the floor, but you, honestly, man, it was lovely. Well, I'm going to get a chair for next week. Oh, yeah, we've got news, haven't we? Have we? New artwork, baby. Oh, yeah, we news haven't we? New artwork baby. Oh yeah we have. New artwork. Boom. Coming to the podcast. I think it might be with this episode mightn't it? Yeah. Oh shit we should announce it at the beginning. Let's do it as if we do it at the beginning.

Welcome to the Wolf and Owl brand new artwork, baby. Yeah, check out the new artwork guys. And some of the new fun videos that have come out alongside it. As soon as they've been edited correctly. See if JT puts that in the beginning or the end. JT, could you play us out? Congratulations to Ezra Collective, who won a Brit. They did a song with Yasmin Lacey called,

God Gave Me Feet For Dancing. It's a great tune. JT, could you play us out with that? Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Peace and love, people. Peace and love. Peace and love and all things great. See you soon.

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