Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 2: Beardstaches & New Years in NYC

Episode Date: January 8, 2025

It’s our first episode recorded in 2025! And to kick off the new year, we’re talking… having a breardstache, a Wolf & Owl live tour, Rom’s trip to New York City, musicals and singing waiters, pre-ordering in restaurants, New Year’s Eve in Times Square, Christmas morning at the Davis household, very popular noodles, pestering food influencers, being cool vs being thirsty, some trolling of Tom and a slightly nervous chat about Elon Musk. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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You know who's good at doing that stuff is Micah, who's really good at doing anything like that. Yeah, you're quite good at it. Yeah, yeah, Micah's got shit going. Anyway, hello, welcome. Welcome to the World For Now, the first one of 2025. Although it's not the first one because you heard one on New Year's Day, but it's the first one recording 2025. And Tom, I've not, I've not, I've not seen you all year. Wow, my God, the comedy's already started. It's just back from NYC. NYC for New York. NY in NYC. It's a big thing that, right? I saw a lot of people going to NYC over Christmas and New Year. Yeah, it was big, yeah. Well, I mean, I couldn't believe how many British people were there. Did you see anyone you know? I didn't see anybody. I didn't see anybody. Actually,

I did. I saw Stuart Laws. That's sure laws. Oh, yeah Yeah, was it was he doing a gigging? He was out there because he is I don't know if I'm I Don't know if I'm spoiling a secret. It's not really a secret I've been he's going out with an American comedian called Chloe Radcliffe and I did her podcast while I was out there So my guy fit in work while he's out on the NYC. Getting out some of that American thing. Yeah. So how was it? The international business? Yeah, well, you've got the big you've got the tour shows out in the USA. Right? Yeah, I mean, I was you know, I don't ever ask for sales

numbers. But when the opportunity to do a podcast came up, and I was strongly encouraged to do it, that gave me an indication that maybe things need a little nudge maybe I'm not quite as international as I thought I was you know what I mean? Could you not get a Rogan or one of those ones or like a Fyodor Von or sort of Bert Kweizner or one of those sort of guys? Well I actually did Chrissy Chaos with Chris DiStefano as well so I did a couple of those. Chris DiStefano is big. He's funny. He's a funny guy. Yeah. All right. Yeah. What? You don't sound so-

What? I'm just saying. No, no, no. Fucking, that's a big move. I'm proud of you, bro. You're doing this for both of us. Well, you didn't come up actually on either of them. But- Well, of course I did. But no. Mate, mate, you're- this is what- you're an international comedian. You've just fucking done Australia, Dubai. You're about to fucking level out fucking the USA. Yeah Have you emphasized your mustache Well, no, do you know what that sort of happened by accident but

Can I say I did this sort of by accident, but I think I like it. You know what's really annoying? What? I've been talking to Catherine all over New Year about this being the thing. I wanna basically do a look that push, I missed, I had a mustache for the whole of Wonka. Yeah.

And I loved it. And then I like grew the beard back and. What did Catherine say about this? Cause basically what I'm aiming for is a beard stash That's what it's called. Yeah, it's cool. Do you like it? So I suggested it to Lisa and she There's just something about saying I want a tash that she found

very a Massive turnoff is how I describe it. The trouble is a mustache outside hipsterville has serious connotations. Yeah it does. You're talking about a legacy hair, facial hair, that has, it's just, yeah, you know, people have a perception of it that I think is outdated. I love it.

Do you know what, Tom, the truth is, so I was thinking about doing it and then I sort of just had a little trim and then Before like before the very last stage of this This was like quite bushy and then I lost my ass went and I trimmed it a bit But it was like properly pronounced before you'll see You'll see It's a big look you're seeing what a damn much do you think so? I like like this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a big look.

You're going to fucking America with this look is fucking cool. I think it pushes your cool stakes up infinitely. Well, it's your cool guy anyway. It's very kind of you to say you inspire me. I'm gonna do it. Okay. But is it weird that we both do it? No, we've both fucking done 400 episodes with beards, no one's said it's weird. Oh yeah, that's true, that's true, that's true. This is slightly more unusual, isn't it? One of the more nicer things that people say to me is that some people go, you're actually morphing into Ramesh.

Which I'm like, wow, I'll take that. Yeah, I think I'm morphing into you a little. You've actually got very similar noses by the way. I've just noticed that. No we have, our noses are really similar. Look at our noses. Yeah they are. Bloody hell, we've got a fucking, we're nose twins.

You know what, we were like we went for it. I feel like I'm in a terrible episode of this. When we were putting this together, we were licking the same cube for the same shitty nose. Do you know what we could do? We could do an episode of a sitcom whose best days are shitty nose. Do you know what we could do? We could do an episode of a sitcom whose best days are behind it. Do you know what I mean? Where the two of us try and figure out how to monetize this.

Well, then, yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got very similar now. Yeah, we're not. Hold on. I'm not sure that that does anything, but anyway. No, I don't know. I mean, you can see our noses anyway. Well, that's mad.

I've only just noticed that. Yeah. So what did Christian Stefano, did he talk about mustache? Did he have it then? No, but he did say that I've got TikTok hair. Wow, is that a good thing? Well, he was very clever in the way that he presented it as if he was complimenting me,

but I think we both knew what he was saying. Yeah, I like that vibe as you well know. Yeah, I know you do. I was very, do you know what? I was ready to par what she was playing. I like that vibe as you well know. Yeah, I like you too. I was very, do you know what? I was ready to parry that quite effectively. I felt like I'd fucking done years of, four years of altitude trading in order to prepare myself for it.

Was he, how did you find the USA? So what, did you do those before New Year or after? So the Chloe Radcliffe one I did on New Year's Eve, actually on New Year's Eve. And then the one with Di Stefano I did like the day before we left. So that's a cool thing. I genuinely feel quite in awe of you. Do you? Yeah man, you've done American podcasts. Yeah but it doesn't mean anything, you know they probably don't mean anything.

Of course it means something. It's like you don't know you're making moves you're shaking show. No, no, don't. This is this is gotta be the thing for 20 fucking 2025 that we take these moments. Yeah, it's a fucking it's much be a full stop in a sentence. But bro, it's a new sentence. Bloody hell. Did you just make that up? Yeah. Yeah, it's a new sentence. Bloody hell did you just make that up? Yeah. Fucking hell that Jesus Christ you cannot genuinely that is better than anything you said in 2024. That is unbelievable you are already better on this podcast you already had a better

year this year on this podcast and we were episode one of the holy shit I'm coming to the podcast differently right where you've been in America right you've been doing I've been like I my mind. So like, I'm waiting for my time to talk. I'm waiting to think about a little bit more on what I say. You know, the thing about having like two, two weeks off or three weeks off of you, we've not seen each other. I get excited to do this again. Me too. Well, I get excited every week. I didn't get jaded

like you seem to be implying that you No, no, but the excitement of not seeing you and then this we had the plans we have you know flow sender that email just before Christmas about the live shows I can't get it I'm like I'm on the road with my best buddy man I know service we actually said we're doing some dates you know we've got some dates in and great places yes I like do you know what the bit I'm so excited about is when I saw that we're gonna be an island together. Yeah, I don't really. I don't really like even Ireland.

The Irish I'm singing for drink. I learned I'm drinking. Okay, that's my motherland. I'm gonna go. That is exactly that's exactly the shit I'm talking about. That's my motherland and all that. Just... You sound like such a fucking idiot when you say all that sort of stuff. When we go over there, when we went over there to film the Gaelic football VT for League of Their Own, just sort of crouching on the ground and picking up the soil

and sort of letting it drop for your fingers and going home and all that crap. I thought that was a beautiful thing that taxi driver you saw the affinity that I had with that man. It was a beautiful thing it's a nice thing man. Well I feel like I feel more me when I'm in Ireland. I feel it's the best version of me. Well that says a lot doesn't it because I like you less whenever we're there so Maybe I prefer a slightly milder version of you Belfast will be great. Yeah, we've got some great places that are coming up It's gonna be exciting my guy. I Two things we went to we went to see three musicals while we're well while we're in New York We went to see a musicals while we were in New York.

We went to see Little Shop of Horrors. Brilliant. Oh my God, that's gonna be amazing, right? As we were walking out, it was amazing. All three of them were incredible, right? As we were walking out, a homeless man called me, he said, I didn't even make eye contact with him, as far as I was aware.

We walked out the theater and The hope this homeless man on with loose from the kids just shout fuck you you little bitch I'll that very loudly at me directed at me. All right, and then that big obviously That's like the beginning of Batman. Yeah, and that became my nickname for the rest of the trip little bitch I Love the fact that your kids just jumped on the fucking... Oh they loved it. I thought they were going to start applauding the guy. It was yeah. That is literally how Batman started isn't it?

Bruce Wayne comes out of the theatre with his pet, well obviously he gets shot, the guy just insults him, Bruce Wayne fucking roaches him. What a horrendous origin story that would be. There's a superhero that goes around battering homeless people because one offended him when he was a kid coming out of a theatre. That's basically Iceman's story if you ever watch that. And then for New Year, oh yeah, we went to watch Hamilton and went to watch back to the future. They were brilliant Incredible on New Year's Eve. We went to Ellen's stardust diner. Have you heard of that place? There's not anything to do with Ellen's generous. Let me just be clear on that but it's a diner where all of the staff a Broadway singers. So the whole way through the meal you're hearing like me, one of

them is like in the middle of the restaurant sort of singing a show tune and then they come round as well. And obviously like I'm such a greedy bastard I sort of tuck it into my feed at one point sort of a couple of people looking at me I sort of look up from my food and they're sort of over at the table sort of singing at us but I hadn't noticed because I was eating so did they Did they get you to sing at all? Thank if they did that I would have left immediately they didn't do that really they didn't do that. Yeah I bet your boys lost their minds, right? They Did like it. Yeah. Yeah, they liked it. Sorry. The reason i'm being hesitant there is because

Alex, uh is quite fussy about his food and I don't have a go you know, he is he Actually, so I'm all over the place. I'm so giddy talking to you But basically when we went we went out for Christmas dinner, right and Alex didn't really want to eat anything Are you there by the way? Yeah? I'm not interacting. So, no, no, no, the connection went a bit janky there, that's all you were jiggling about. I became a bit nervous. Anyway, so for Christmas Day we went out and my mum saw how little Alex was eating and started going, why isn't he eating? And I said well he's just a bit fussy about what he eats and she goes you

should make, you know it's true, like classic grandparent sort of directing you. So my mom starts going well you should you should make him stuff that he might like eating. I said mom, you're seeing him today for like, today you're becoming aware of this. I said, he's been with us for his entire life. We haven't tried other stuff, right? So then obviously- My mom's on exactly the same thing over Christmas. Yeah, so my mom starts going, well, have you tried noodles?

We're like, yeah, we tried all of this stuff, right? So then it became a bit of a thing. And my mom, it's obviously my mom's coming from a good place, but then I had to have a chat with Alex about it after. I didn't have to, but I just said to him, look, just so you know, we know it's not you being fussy because it isn't him being fussy. He really cannot stand the smell of them or whatever. He just can't eat it. It's not like he's trying to be difficult. He tries to try stuff and then

he just doesn't like it. So we're just like, well, he's healthy. Let's just give him the stuff he's all right with eating as long as we keep on top of it. And, you know, that's all you can do. My sister was like that. My sister was like that as a kid. And now she eats nearly everything. I think that like Grace, we go off it with Grace, man. She's like sometimes she'll barely eat anything, like literally. She'd live off the diet of fish fingers, chicken nuggets, chips.

Yeah. And that's pretty, yeah. It like, doesn't like. And you sort of, as parents, you kind of accept that, don't you? But then when, the problem is, is when other people see what your kid's doing. So, when we- Also, other parents, can I say, other parents, like, remarking about it,

or saying like, oh yeah, well, you know, so-and-so eats just about anything they're given. Well, the problem we have is they like everything and you're like, okay, you know, wait to make me feel like a piece of shit as a man. And I know it's like you go. Everybody thinks they can fix a thing. Do you mean it? Like, yes, it's mad. But anyway, it's the reason I mentioned it is that we went to we went to Ellen stardust diner

You have to choose from like there's like three options for each course and we had to choose in advance because they've got some I hate that. I said I can go fuck itself That's one thing. I just think it's fucking irritating. What do you want in two weeks for dinner? I know I know my fancy a burger. I'm over the dinner? I don't fucking know. I know, I know. I might fancy a burger, I might want the chicken. I don't fucking know. I don't know what I want tonight. Yeah, no, listen. Can I just say, if you're out there

and you got a restaurant, just quit with that stuff. Well, I think you're sort of, you're coming in really hot for 25, mate, because the reason they've done it is so that they can push the stuff through the kitchen in reasonable time, right, because. Yeah, but other restaurants manage. Mate, I went to a restaurant the other day. I want to get onto this in a minute, which is absolutely incredible.

Right. And a menu, it was 80 covers in there. There's a massive queue outside. You pick what you want, mate. There's no pre-order and it's snappy, snappy, snappy. It's incredible. And I think that's the thing. You're in the game, baby. That's the game. OK, OK. But but what I would say in the game baby. That's the game Okay, okay But but what I would say in defense of Ellen's stardust Diana is it because you're tied to the timings of New Year's Eve Everybody sitting down to dinner at the same time. It looks so the restaurant is full Yeah with every and everybody's getting their food at the same time struggling not to interrupt it

everybody's getting their food at the same time. Struggling not to interrupt here. But let me say, can I just say, I get that, then have three things you have for starters, three things you have for metal, five, whatever you're gonna do, right? Yeah. And that's what you've got. And at the end, when you might have a little bit of waste,

you take that out to the subsequent, the homeless people that you've talked about, you take it out to places, you know, super kitchens, whatever, and you give that out, any leftovers of any particular dishes. But you turn them out and go, these are the five things you've got, fire places, you know, super kitchens, whatever, and you give that out, any leftovers of any particular dishes, but you turn around and go, these are the five things, you've got firestar, fire make, I think it's insane to ask someone, even the morning off, to go, what do you fancy tonight to eat? Oh, I see what you're saying. I see what you're saying. I thought you were basically saying

to me they should do this and then describing exactly what they did. But what you're saying is you'd make your decision when you arrive. And you go, these are the five things. OK, I fancy this. I've been in places where I turn around and go, oh, can I just... Oh, actually, I asked for the beef, but I really fancy the chicken kebab. Well, you asked for the beef, so... Well, what if I found out I've become allergic to beef in the last 48 hours?

It's like, yeah, I find it really... I find it quite offensive. OK, all right. Well, you are very different this year. I have my functioning ADHD and bipolar, so anything can... What's clearly happening here is your decision to not interrupt has made you incredibly aggressive. It's like you've got this build-up, it's all getting backed up. And then when you do talk, it comes out very forcefully. Do you know what I mean? You're the only person I've spoken to in the last three weeks outside my family or sort of friends of like kids friends, you know, my friends of, you know, you're the first, I'd say, you know, apart from my mate Tommy who came over for New Year, but it was a very family orientated evening.

Yeah. Let's just shoot your conversation. That annoys me though, it was like that happened for our Works Christmas dinner with this exact thing. They needed to know nearly a month in advance what we wanted to eat. All right. And I was like, yeah, in the end I just didn't go. Okay, well there you go. Everyone was starting.

Yeah, yeah, so shame on them, shame on them. Didn't you not go because you were ill yeah I did get yeah it wasn't like you're making a stand does it yeah but also then they've made my food and it's sitting there on the side and it's like oh yeah number 69 oh can you send me can you send me can you send me photo updates and what's going on here? Because I just want to know what the fuck's happened to that food. Because someone got in the kitchen and said, what's happened to that ham hock to ring? I honestly think you should interrupt more.

I think it's causing you a real issue, to be honest with you. No, no, no. I'm going to bear with this and then I'll get... It's like anything. It's like anything that you go through in life, you have to go through the testing times to get to the joy. And that's thing. All right, that's how life works So the the reason I mentioned Alex is eating thing and this menu thing is that there were no options that he liked. There was nothing that he would eat. So what we did was we ordered for him and then it was just slightly,

it wasn't embarrassing, but basically the person that was looking after us saw Alex not touch four consecutive courses of food. We kind of divvied it out between us but he could tell that Alex wasn't engaging in the meal. Which character was he by the way? What do you mean which character was he? Which musical character was he? No they all do different songs. He actually sung... He did a really cute thing actually. He served us our starters and went down to the centre of the restaurant and sung Circle of Life holding a little toy Simba.

It's actually quite beautiful. Yeah, that's what I've got like that. Can I just say, on my argument against this sort of for-ordering, right? Yeah. No, no, but then if... I don't think it's anything better in a moment like that when you've got a young kid like Alex Right, you know as in NYC pretty one of those daunting cities to be in the world, right? He also loves me was dawning that night. It was dawning that night I tell you New Year's Eve in and around Times Square in New York

Getting three kids around that was I wouldn't even describe as adrenaline fear anyway continue I think the 25 I think you've got two million of those in your pocket to you 21 but it's like there's nothing better right he's he's already in a dawning place he He's in NYC. It's unfamiliar Right, and then he's gone to a place. He loves musicals and then he's watching his family Right, wouldn't it have been the man? I don't think there's a better feeling in the world than telling around a waiter away. Just a man going Hey, what's wrong with the young kid?

like he's not eating or someone or tell me I got he doesn't be like anything on the menu and Then turn around and go give me two seconds go into the kitchen coming out with some chicken nuggets or chicken bites or some chips and go the chef just wrangled this up but because the chef's hands are tied he can't he hasn't got anything apart from the stuff they're under pressure I don't think they're gonna which I'm with the chef it's the whole thing is just insane also by the way what you should have done is given him a McDonald's before you went in. We've just talked about parents judging other parents

for how they do stuff, okay? And what you've done is just waded straight in and told me what I should have done with my son. Yeah, listen, we stocked him up with food before and afterwards, all right? I was saying he wasn't hungry. He wasn't starving, no. He wasn't starving.

He sounds, yeah, but the way you made it sound is you were sitting there just staring at plates of food going in front of him, and he was then like. No, we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't do that. We're not gonna do that to him. Like bullseye.

Look what you could have won. Look what you. Really fucking, really feeling at one when they start singing Oliver Twist, Food, Glory's Food. He had a good time, but he didn't go hungry before anybody emails in. It's quite a terrifying thing like that, right? That NYC, I can imagine. I've been in London at midnight, I found that scary.

Well, it's just we, I was doing a lot of the navigating, and so I was navigating us to the diner. And so a lot of around Times Square, they closed the roads. They had like, apparently they had like 30,000 police officers in and around the area, like directing people in certain ways. And some of the streets were closed, and you weren't allowed in unless you had like a printout from the restaurant saying you're booked for this. So you had to go up to all these different barriers, show them the bit of paper.

First of all, you have to wait for them to actually be ready to see this pass that you've got. And then they let you through and then they'll count you through. So there's like loads of like little kind of bottlenecks, you know, where people are waiting to go through certain bits and pieces. Anyway, one bit. Sounds the same. Yeah, it was a bit mad, but anyway, there's one bit where we're walking, like heading nearer to the diner,

and I took us across the road, which ended up being a mistake, because there was a big party kicking off, or starting right where I took us into, and then we just ended up in this, like, massive people. And for about a minute and a half neither I nor Lisa knew where Alex was oh God yeah, it was it was getting some chips, but

It was starving the little fucker Wasted away wasted away in the middle of this crowd. Do you want a street gang a street touch just to get some food? Mugged a guy for a hot hot. We just found him begging in like a gutter. Mate that is my idea even that just gives me anxiety. That thing where you're looking at your phone but then you don't want to clear it and let everyone know that you're a tourist right so you're looking at your phone. That's a big concern for me. So then you're anxiously staring at your phone going oh fuck fuck like you know you're a tourist right so you're looking at your phone that's a big concern for me it's like looking at my phone so then you're anxiously staring at your phone going oh fuck fuck like yeah yeah you're going yeah just

everyone just follow me and then you're also looking at three kids and then Lisa as well you're worried about it all Lisa's then fretting about the kids see then you have the argument about you don't kind of know where you're going oh man yeah it was although to be fair to not to be fair to Lisa you She she was very she's just completely understanding. She's a very chill person, but she's so chill I mean, there's a number of pilot you need it There's a number of times I'm gonna hold my hands up during the course of the the few days that were away that I fucked up in terms of getting Us to places and not once did she ever make me feel bad about it.

It was pretty incredible. That's pretty cool. That's a pretty nice thing. Anyway, how was your Christmas? That'll be in her pocket. That'll be in her pocket for another time. Oh yeah, yeah. I'm waiting for that to get pulled out.

Anyway, go on. How was your? Lovely, man. I've got to tell you, right? Christmas morning, Grace getting into our bed at sort of quarter to six. Lovely. With her stocking. 5.45 AM, of quarter six with her stocking. With her stocking and she was shook with like just excitement just just the thought of Santa

coming and then I'd laid, I mean hopefully there's no, actually we'd be careful, but Santa had been and Santa had left snowy footprints, which my dad had turned around and said, why there's no snow here, so why's he got snowy footprints? I thought it was snow and sleigh always. Anyway, when she woke up and we went down to- Your dad didn't ask you that question in front of Grace today?

No, no, no. No, no. He was picking it apart like he was a TV detective. Ha ha ha ha. Also, if he parked the fucking sleigh on the roof, why did he come through the front door? Yeah. My next question is how many minutes past can this fella get through? That's what I want to know. God forbid he's lactose intolerant. By the way, he uh, But slowly filled with shit. By the way, you load up Santa's plate for Santa to have.

So I loaded Santa's plate up with cookies, mid-spice, and as we were doing it, Gracie's going, oh, Gracie's got lots of food for Santa. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And when Santa needs to be a little bit careful eating all of that, he's had a little bit of problem with a couple of health scares this year. I want to kick 25 off in Haley. We're revived. But and then she went, she saw the footprints down at the bottom of the stairs.

She was she lost them. It was like literally like an incredible, it was a beautiful moment. Like, you know, when you have little bottle moments in your life. Yeah. And that was one. I was just like, this is being pretty. So for that, and a lovely day with the family, and very chill man, very chill. Me and Catherine had a nice date day.

We went to London. Yeah, you posted up, you always posted up. I mean, it's actually almost unnecessary for me to catch up with you. There's so much of your life is plastered on Instagram. Well, you know what it is, I feel like like I get very thirsty when it comes to I don't understand the first thing I sort of do and I don't like every picture you put up or every I'm not sure if it's just because this podcast for everything I

put up someone goes oh you're being thirsty and I'm like that's just a picture of like sure I thought that's what Instagram was now I've got it I don't know what we're supposed to put up anymore on social media I have no idea anyway both me and Catherine like our food so we we decided to we looked at a few different places and we both want because we sort of I cook quite a lot of Italian food at home we eat a lot of we eat a lot of roast dinners that we really fancied sort of Chinese food. So we went to this influencer restaurant called Noodle Inn, which is sort of this big, thick noodle.

It's everywhere. The queue was insane. It's 40 minutes to get to this place. First of all, just so you know, you have not delivered me any new information. You're aware of that, right? I know that you went to an influencer place. I know how long you queued up for. I know it was called Noodle Inn.

Well, if I'm going to be honest with you, Catherine, I sort of was a bit like, I'm not sure if I've got it in me too. I was very hungry at this point and you've been with me when I'm hungry right? Yes I have yeah. Yeah, the queue was 40 minutes long. I thought I had 12 to 15 minutes best in me of queuing. And I was like, there's like, we're literally two minutes away from Chinatown and there's a lot of other noodle places there. And she, Catherine was like, this is, we talked about going here for the last week and said that it would be really fun to sort of experience,

you know, do something a bit new and experience something. This was the plan. Catherine's great for that, by the way. She's, we've got a plan that sticks to it. I was, by the way, do you know that this is something I hadn't talked about? Um. It's, by the way, do you know that this is something I haven't talked about? So with me, one of the most romantic things I think of. So then the guy comes up the queue and he's basically saying if there's two of you it's

going to be this longer wait but if you want to sit on a table of four and share the table with someone then you can literally come in you can jump like half the queue because yeah tables are two there's so many tables are two so I was like let's just do it'll be like Wagon Moments we'll just sit on a table full with another couple the other couple turned out to be two young food influencers who it was quite abundantly clear quite quickly absolutely despised me and the fact that I, me and Katherine, by the way Katherine's very much like me we're both quite, we'll chat to people we're the kind of people, we're probably those annoying people you see on our day who like chatting to people, Katherine's very chatty so me and her were sitting and then they bring these two lads over. One of them starts building a sort of handheld tripod to film his food.

And I was like, oh, you're a food influencer? And he went, yeah. And I was like, cool, man. Oh, amazing. I was like, I was going to try and take some pictures of my food, but I'll never know what angle. And he went, and he just looked at his friend and rolled his eyes. And his friend just looked like, you know, equally annoyed.

Anyway, our food came out and me and Catherine, sort of as a joke, but we were taking really shit pictures and making each other laugh and really shit videos. And making each other laugh. It was very fun. Because there's an art to that shit. I could see them sneering at us. And when theirs came out, one of them was in charge of sort of the lighting and the other was in charge of the pictures.

Because apparently, you know, he in the end, he was like, you don he was like you don't want you keep on he could like you could see the shadow of my iphone in my picture that with the light was behind me too yeah and he was like that you can't put on instagram like that you and then he was showing me how he did them uh it was actually quite interesting um uh and then uh caffeine went to the bathroom to freshen up and then i chatted to this guy the guy who runs the place he was amazing He was literally, I just wanted to be a best friend. Look at these two guys. Look. Oh my god. I said to him, everyone in there by the way had a camera and they're filming their phone.

On their phone, they're filming their food. It was like, and I'm literally thinking around, thinking this is the modern world we live in. I kind of got a buzz out of it, and I said to him, does this drive you crazy? He was like, no man, this is fucking making me a fortune. That's why I gave him the big hug, I'm going you are fucking smashed life, my friend. You say the guy showed you how to take all these photos,

but yeah, the photo you decided to post was one you sort of mid chomped. Yeah, because I'm not that guy. Yeah because I'm not that guy any I'm not that guy. I will post up the day this goes out the pictures I took of the food it is not well that guy's running a successful restaurant because people are going in taking good photos what I don't need is me fucking shit panning all over it you've got van goff painting stuff you're not a guy who's a fucking painting decorator Mitch and turning up and going I can do your wall. That's not what my forte is. My forte is saying I had a great time

I thoroughly enjoyed the food. I can't say picture. I tried to film it. The filming is awful, right? It's too good. I'll show you one of the pictures. Yeah, let me just show you one of the pictures I took this is this is how bad it was But that's not good picture of it. What's wrong with that? It's right when you see the ones that other people have done. Sorry, I mean what the... Yeah, so what? I don't understand what the problem is.

I mean, can I be honest? You putting your fork and knife in the plate as if to demonstrate what happens to that food. I don't understand why you've done that. As if people go, what do you do with that then? You've got a plate or something there. Life is a demonstration. On a plane.

Okay, first of all you get the bowl in front of you, right? Then you've got to pick up your knife and your fork. Some people use right, some people use left, but it's all up to you, right? Whatever your dominant hand is. You then want to put the knife and start slowly cutting. And if it is tender like this, but if you want to get the fork and start pulling it away yeah yeah but you know what we had we had a lovely day we went to the hangar hotel and a little drink and it all chilled together and walked around the locked in 20,000 steps and

you know what I mean I work in London nearly every day and yeah the rat race and all that old stuff you know wh, whizzing between meetings, gigs, whatever mean you do. Fuck off. What are you? You weren't even doing that ironically. That was horrible. Jesus fucking Christ. Are you listening to yourself?

yourself I think listen that that was that was unbelievable you know rap racer whatever you call it wherever you go from gig to gig rushing from whizzing from meeting to meeting you know I mean he's hustling whilst I so you said that seriously man Yeah, we've been watching a lot of the American office Christmas and on more than one occasion Catherine has turned to me with Steve Carell's done. So I'm really cringy or said something really and gone You know, you are a lot like Michael from the American office. And then my mom and said that a moment. Yeah, we will say that. Oh, no, I don't. Yeah, well, maybe. But anyhow, anyway, so normally you're whizzing from meeting to

me. Yeah, you know, I soaked I soaked London in a bit. Yeah, you saw you saw London through somebody else. Yeah, we are in a different way. I get it. Oh, most just pretended in my head that I'd never been on those streets before. I'd never pounded them. I'd never stumbled drunk out of these pubs. You know, I looked almost through the eyes of wonder as a child, on the first day it snows. Do you know what's the saddest thing for you is that you're doing a bit now and it's still not as egg as you when you were talking earnestly a second ago. Do you know the sad thing for you is that you've known me a long time. I am egg I

Can try and run free I can try to be cool I can fucking do this and that I'm faster So I've got come to a place in my life now for 45 on 46 this year. That is me. I'll say pretty things I'm not you know, I'm not an offensive guy. I'm not mean guy, but I am a fucking douchebag I don't do that do. Doofball. Doofball. Doofball. Doofball. Yeah. I think out of the turbans you're the cooler guy. I don't think... Well actually it's interesting you say that because I actually I had a discussion with Lisa about how it's time for me to sort of let any aspirations of being cool or anything just go now.

Actually this is one of the only times I've ever felt like literally throwing you on the floor. Wow. Wow. Can I just say right this is this is you saying this right another one you've just been on two big American broadcasts which is cool right. That is this is this is the epitome of the cool right and I'm just gonna fucking let you have this and you should have this you should be very proud.

Cassie's Dead is one of the coolest fucking people in the world he's a fucking G he's another level right he's had also one of the fucking most epic years of any musician named not every new musician any entertainer in the world he's a generational talent right and in choosing the pictures of the things that have been the highlight of his year, right? He put up a picture of you and him That's an amazing moment man. You should be fucking you should know in that moment Right that your generosity of character and you what an amazing human being and how much support you've shown

Someone like Cassie's dead over the last few years. So he respects that he actually looks at that as being an incredible thing He knows you've been a part of his journey right that means something to him And that's a fucking cool thing and you're a cool guy. That's a really I looked at I thought pride man I'm like wow that is a my So nice. Yeah, I fucking have that that's an amazing thing. Are you rocking a mustache? You're doing it with absolute fucking dignity This this new one one two twenty five, 2003, if I was you, do you know the only thing that lets you not be cool

is you question being cool. Do you think? You're gonna say, wait, I questioned, and why couldn't you? I'm a bit of a, yeah, that's just me. I was gonna fucking get used to it. And I was thirsty. Probably that is just, like, the amount of people,

I'm gonna say, stop, I don't give a fuck. Keep messaging me, oh, you're thirsty. Why don't you run me spring? I'm just probably a thirsty human being. I'm like a fucking stop, I don't give a fuck. Keep messaging me, oh you're thirsty, where's your rubbish, bring you out. I'm just probably a thirsty human being. I'm like a fucking guy out in the desert who hasn't had a drink for a while. Maybe I lack any kind of affection from any friends in life, and I'm looking for it from strangers.

That just might be me. ["Frozen"] I don't think these people are using thirst in the right context because while we're talking about thirst, this morning you posted a video of you doing a cold plunge, right? And the angle of that video showed your entire physique which is it yeah great very hard not to shoot so I wanted to get a snowman in as well which also yeah kicking by the way yeah but you that I would describe as the first trap okay in the first trap a first trap is where you put something up by the way I'm not criticizing you for that video. No, no, no, no, this is education.

Yeah, so a thirst trap is where... I'll give you another example of something you've posted that I think is a thirst trap. It's the photo that you pretended that Grace took of you on the tube. Yeah, she didn't take that picture. I swear on my heart and my soul she took that picture. Yeah, yeah, so the picture that you pretended that Grace took of you. I can show you the flurry of and my soul she took that picture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the picture that you pretended to grace to... I can show you the flurry of pictures in which she took. Yeah, so that photo, the one where you pretended that Grace took the photo on the tube, right?

That I would describe as a thirst trap because in that photo, what's happened is, by the way, I don't think there's anything wrong with this. All right? I don't actually think there's anything wrong with this. right I don't actually think there's anything wrong with it I'm just telling you what the definition of it is where you've looked at that photo and you've gone rightly so I look quite good on that foot in that photo I want to post it right and part of the motivation of that photo is you want to see if other

people think you look I'm gonna show going to show you something here as well. Okay. Carry on carry on. So the, are you about to show me this flurry of photos because I'm only joking I do believe that Grace did. No no no but this is the thing I put that picture up because I did think I look nice but I actually thought fuck my two and a half year old is taking a better picture of me than my wife has for that 12 years we've been together. She's taking a nice, there's not many nice pictures of me. Yeah but if we were like, if we put in a, if we had a set of scales, and like that set of scales were the reasons why you've posted that photo,

and one side of the set of scales, I'm gonna show you this, in this hand is, I wanna show off my daughter's photography. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And in this scale, right, in this half of the scale, is I look good in the photo. Let me just show you how I think the ratio is this is

completely what can I say by the way in the a number of pictures she took most of my look hideous one of them I was picking my nose all right but also in my head I'm like I get the thirst trap thing by the way but also like this is not this you do not have to go far to find a hideous picture of Tom Davis most of the ones that were that off the curb and independent use for my fucking The presentation of music for my headshots are pretty fucking horrible if I'm in a film. It's usually a horrible fucking picture Mmm, so if I get a nice picture, I kind of think that's a nice picture Well, that's me. That's that's the reason why I've not got an issue with it. I'm not criticizing it.

But also I haven't got an issue with people saying it by the way. In my head, surely if you've got a nice picture of yourself, you put up a nice picture. Like the cold plunge one this morning. I was like, it's snowing, it's a pretty epic thing to be in a cold plunge when it's this cold and I kind of wanted a and actually I wanted a picture but Katherine took a video and I'm like cool. Yeah. And yeah.

And actually most of the comments. I mean can I say and I sent you this I wasn't going to talk about it but I did find this this is my favourite bit of trolling I've had actually recently. By the way. Go on. No no no no go go go go go go ahead go ahead. trolling I've had actually recently. Okay. I'll send you this. By the way, it's probably... Go on. No, no, no.

Go ahead, go ahead. No, I was just going to say, I can't find it now, but Charlie keeps taking. It's so horrible. The first thing he does is whenever I leave my phone unattended, he takes lots of photos of himself just on my phone that I find the next time I pick up my phone. I'll give an example. There's one there where I just left my phone unattended. But the other thing that he keeps doing I can't find them. I've deleted them just out of shame. Oh He'll occasionally send me a photo that he's taken of me watching TV

Where I haven't I'm just not conscious that anybody's like looking at me So I'm just like sat with my in my chest, or just looking at the TV, maybe eating a snack or something. And he would just grab a photo of it, and then send it to me. It's, they're so horrific. I'll try and find one and post it up, but it's so horrible. Anyway, the point is, that is a thirst trap.

Yeah, you have, yeah. Oh my God, at that meeting that meeting that was horrific by the way but I still got my favorite picture of you ever is when we were on the Vic Reaves and you were sitting there you just had your hand on your lap and then I blurted out your hand and it looked like you were playing with yourself yeah that's funny good Okay, what's this bit of trolling you want to talk about? So I've said you this, right? So this came on, Wonka has been shown again on TV and whatever, and there's a video of me in Wonka and some put a little compilation together, which is quite funny, I put that up. And someone put, oh a fat June mocking German culture in the same way. Yeah, kind of boring now.

I thought it's such an aggressive fucking troll. That's an incredible, one of the things, incredibly angry thing. One of the things is like, first of all, you've been very quiet about your Jewish heritage. So that's a weird thing to say. We know there's a weird thing because like,

just, we don't know my, I've said this before, I think to you, I don't know what my, we don't know my I've said this before I think you I don't know what my hair like we don't know my hair above my granddad we have no idea of any of our heritage like literally generally he was in a workout so we don't know anything about his family but yeah I found the sort of yeah a fat Jew thing is like, that's in it. Like, I don't know why he's come at that angle. You know. And also, sorry, excuse me if I'm being ignorant here.

Is there a grand tradition of fat Jews taking the piss out of German culture? Like, he's sort of getting boring now, as if, oh my God, is it another fat Jew German bit? Fucking hell. It honestly, when are these fat Jews gonna stop lampooning German culture? It's also like, it's a very, it's a very inoffensive,

I mean, look, it's me in Lederhosen's, right? It's the whole of that bit where I'm in Lederhosen's, so it's, I found it, the aggression said there it was I was like did you did you reply no of course not there's no meeting with someone like someone who's so anti-semitic they've gone on like what is a big sweet kids film it's a fucking lovely film that's very full of heart and he found himself getting so angry that he's written an anti-semitic thing about also by the way Like in a first trapeze sort of way that I'm in some of the best shape of my life in that movie

Just yeah, whatever I'm like, yeah, yeah, it's just that The only thing I say so I when I came to the Wonka premiere, I did feel the same way about it. But I wouldn't express it like that. But you know, I get it. This is one of your, yeah, what are they called accounts? Your fucking burner accounts. Have you fucking, but have you seen what Elon Musk has been

found out doing? Sorry, but like, this is, mate, this is mad. Easy bro, you're about to go to America and you think it'll be easy. I know, but I'd love to I'd love to know. Well, apparently, this is the other thing is apparently, once I say this, Elon Musk will become aware that we've talked about him on the

podcast, because apparently, that's how across people talking about him and his discussion about him and stuff He is apparently on it if you if you publicly say anything about Elon Musk, he will become aware. So so For both of us now, let's be very careful. Okay. Yeah, but Yeah, there is a An account on X or Twitter ever a guy called Adrian Dittman have you heard of Adrian Dittman? Ditt? Adrian Dittman. Okay. I've not heard of him.

Have you heard of Adrian Dittman? No, I just thought that was a funny name. Okay, fine. Yeah, no sure. Adrian Adrian dick man. Yeah, that'd be hilarious But agent ditman. Yeah has been doing tweets Oh, I don't know what they're called now because it's X but he's been doing tweets and messages about how Basically having a go at people that criticizing Elon Musk sort of saying Elon's a great dad. I think you should stop having a go at him What a great guy is why why is everyone having a go at Elon and just defending him and stuff? Anyway, it's now come to light that that account, Adrian

Ditman is Elon Musk. Wow. A comedian, I don't want to say his name, but I used to know a comedian who we both know who used to do that. What? Would go on and defend himself? Yeah, yeah. But also then he had another account where he'd slag himself off.

See, an account that would slag him off and an account that he'd defend himself from. And he'd get into quite big Twitter arguments against himself, defending himself and being him. Like, it was all quite insane. How close have you come to doing something like that? I've never been anywhere near that. Me neither, me neither. If I'm honest with you, like I-

Absolutely not, me neither. No, like I find something that hate you get and the trolling you can get and you know, sums up that you'd be a liar if you said that didn't have any fucking consequence or ever get to you right but the more it happens and I think you you've probably experienced a bit more like because you're probably more known you've got a lot more followers than I have you got quadruple followers so I've noticed as mine's slowly grown that you get more but you do you do become a bit more resilient to it and

I was messaging a friend of mine last night who was saying about getting it and he's like in the end you just got to think it's actually not that personal it's like a deep but yeah but when he talked because I actually called him once this is years ago I called him when I was watching this thing unfold about him getting loads of hate and then this other guy was defending him and then he was sort of like you know piping up from his own account and then he told me about a year later when he was drunk that he was all three accounts and he was just trying to sort of build up a... Oh god. To be fair it was really really well written and constructed. Yeah sure I'm sure it would have to be. By the way, I have found an agent Dickman. He looks like he travels quite a lot. It's

like quite affable sort of chap. He actually was in London. Oh, in January last year, this time last year. There is a tangent agent Dickman there. Yeah, Tom, Tom, Tom, I know you're making a thing. Should we both follow him? That would be amazing. I know that you don't, you're trying not to interrupt in 2025, but you know when I told you that whole story about Elon Musk,

you gave almost no reaction to what I said, and you sort of moved on to something else and then started talking about this other comedian. And now I know, I was thinking to myself, well, Tom really didn't sort of register what I said to him and so and now I know it's because the whole time the whole time we've been talking about this you've been looking at your phone looking up an Adrian Dickman that is that is two fold yeah two fold for this right number one you absolutely terrified me when you mentioned the

unmasking said that he'll hear everything we say and I am an idiot as a human being and I had to then really engage my mind not to think of that and you know that's also thinking in the same time you're saying that thinking well let's try and make a positive out of this negative and actually find an actual Adrian Dickman yeah who looks like a really nice guy that me and you could both follow. He'll go, what are you following? A little bit like he could be this year's Tom Packman is what I'm saying. Okay, how would, oh by the way I saw Tom Packman, I hung out with Tom Packman.

Wait, I messaged him. Oh man I love TP, the Pacman. Yeah. Oh man. Yeah. His name by the way suits him so well. Does it? Because you didn't really know it until about six months ago. No, no, no, but now I've got to know him across social media. I'm watching him. Yeah. I'm like, you know what? You're a cool guy. Yeah. When you became frightened about what Elon Musk might do to us for talking about him publicly,

what made you think that Googling and Adrian Dickman would sort of solve that situation? Just because what I had to do is focus my energies instead of like thinking about Elon Musk and worrying about that, actually doing something positive and finding an Adrian Dickman that mean you potentially become friends with. Okay, but why would that help with Elon Musk? Was that just distracting you from saying anything about Elon Musk? Was that just distracting you from saying anything about Elon Musk? Was that the strategy?

No, just in case by accident I did say something that I didn't necessarily mean. Okay, what do you think of Elon Musk though? I'm not going to fucking say it on public airing. Oh right. If he's going to listen. I suggest it's negative then. No, I mean, I've been in a Tesla a couple of times and very much enjoyed the ride. Okay. Yeah, very much like Bill Gates or any big billionaire. Yeah. It's a world I don't

comprehend or indeed understand. Yeah, yeah. Well, we're not into politics, but yeah, let's just come out. What about you? What do you think about? What do I think about Elon Musk? I think he is playing a game of how much somebody in his position can influence politics in a number of countries. And it'd be interesting to see how it plays out. I mean, like, there's a lot of accusations that he's the real president elect of the United States, you know,'ve seen all this going on about how he sort of puppet in Trump or whatever. And now just earlier today He's put out a message saying that Farage is not the right guy to lead the Reform Party So oh shit So he said he's not I think the I can't remember the exact word is something along the lines of he's not got what it takes They need somebody else and it's sort of what would be interesting to see if there's any real repercussion like if something really if like the reform party now get rid of Nigel Farage. I don't know. It's

kind of worried. I don't know. It's frightening isn't it? Do you mean he's definitely like the world is frightening. But what I would say what I would say to conclude that is long may continue and I think he's a great guy and I Love all of the stuff he does You know the he feels like I mean he feels like a sort of like he feels like he would be asked I'm facing like a bond movie In a really cool way

I think any bond movie or Marvel movie that had someone like Elon Musk be a worthy addition would benefit would benefit from in fact If any if I was making a Marvel movie, I'd cast Elon Musk in it. He's a good looking, charismatic guy. I think he could do whatever he puts his mind to. I think he's an incredible human being. Much love to Elon Musk is what I would say. Seems like a great guy, Elon. And I think X is a lot better than Twitter There's a much better name. I think it's got a lot better over there since he took over How does he hear all this stuff then? How do you how do you wear people talk about? Well, he said the people just got on the planet. He's yeah, I think he's just like across all how do you make all his wealth?

That I don't I don't know hundred percent. No, that's debate I pay power what I can tell you though, is however he did it, it'll be down to his skill and charm and charisma and talent, you know? There's no doubt about that. There's, you know, he's definitely, however much he's worth, I think he deserves every penny. I'm gonna be on record as saying that.

Thanks a lot, Elon. If we were giving you an animal name, it'd be the lion. You're- Yeah, he'd definitely be the lion. Yeah, and you're more than welcome to come into the book cause anytime you like Elon with big fans We're gonna get guests. It would be a big big moment Get Elon Musk on it be incredible be our honor. Yeah, anyway, fuck that guy Okay, so it's about that time to That's all for us to wrap things up. We went deep at the end there. That's my fault. I'm sorry about that. So Tom, could you please do us the honour?

2025. Thank you very much. High five to each and every one of you friends. Yeah, we're recording this on a Sunday this morning when I woke up it snowed outside and naturally I went outside with my daughter and my wife and we built a snowman. Very much like Olaf and his construction. And we shook his hands and were made of tree branches and touched his head which was actually shaped, his hair was shaped like Rommers shoes on my door, Hest then we went inside and we start to have breakfast and as we sat there every now and again we'd look at our snowman friend and we'd wave and we'd laugh and then the rain came. The snow started to melt and my daughter made the

observation that snowman was melting too and And she felt a little sad, felt a little worried and this time went on as the day got warmer as the rain kept on going. Before you know it there was just a mountain road of mush with a carrot in it. Where the snowman once stood. And my daughter was upset. Disappointed. Didn't really get to say goodbye. A little bit like 2024 in some ways.

Hey, it's a new year. Another turn around the sun my friend. And that's just life. Didn't really get to say goodbye. A little bit like 2024 in some ways. Hey, it's a new year. Another turn around the sun my friend. And that's just life. Yeah, you can put it down to be more difficult and more complex but in the end we're just all snowmen. Standing in a garden with the pissing rain upon us. Just hoping that you get your goodbyes. So in 2025 I want you to remember one thing. Make the minutes and seconds in the day that might just feel like a day count

and that day will become a year that counts and that year will become a decade. And every second in which you live, if you just make that count like that snowman did in my garden, you'll have a healthy life. And an amazing 2025. Godspeed, friends. I love you all.

Really, really good. Really good. Thank you, yeah. Congratulations on that one. Thank you, yeah. Look out for news of, for the Wolf and Elm, really really good really yeah congratulations on that one look out for news of for the wolf and elm I think we have to describe it as a mini tour oh by the way I should have said this by the way we do have wolf and our calendars left it would be insane I mean they'll have to go on sale because we you know under my organization we probably ordered more than we should

have we're sitting on quite enough calendars. Yeah well to give you an idea of how well the calendars have gone out our merch people are describing them as 2025's party rom t-shirt. So jump on the website I'm sure we can talk about any yeah at the moment we're very much coming into a situation is it's like pay what you want as long as it covers postage and a small make it free yeah so yeah very much they're still there along with all the other and also they are still party rom t-shirts yeah they definitely are they're 100 are I think actually probably if you order a calendar,

it will be wrapped in a party rom t-shirt. It's probably the most likely outcome for that. Shall we play a little bit of Cass is Dead? Of course. As soon as you mentioned him. Boys will be boys, JT, please, could you play that for us? Thank you so much for listening to this episode of The War for Now. Bless you.

I'm just going to say very quickly before we go, I don't know if you could notice, but I'm freezing cold. Our heating's before we go, I don't know if you could notice, I'm freezing cold. Our heating's not working. I feel like it's affected. You know what, it's happened. Any money is your...

You've been amazing in this. It's been a joy chatting to you, but it'll be your under the floor heating, which I'm sure you have in your constructed house, will have frozen and broken potentially. Okay. Well, thank you for that little bit of good news. My own little pep talk to close out the podcast. Thanks guys. What a start to the year it's been. We'll see you soon. Take care of yourself.

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