Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 21: Mandrills & BO

Episode Date: May 28, 2025

We’re talking… Rom’s European tour, Tom’s trip to Amsterdam Zoo to film a Mandrill, zoologists with BO, bad breath at the boxing, animal-friendly deodorant, signature scents, some support for Jack Grealish and new tattoos for everyone. Then we answer some emails about tonsil stones, tips for making creative notes, navigating financial planing in a relationship and Ronan Keating eating a cream cone. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Nice to, I was about to say nice to see you but we can't see you How are you? I saw a comment somewhere, I can't remember where I saw it, Tom, somebody saying, I have to fast forward through the intro. I don't know if they're talking about the intro song, or they're talking about when we come on and go, whoa, with a blood, oh, boy, look.

I usually think we cut quite to the, to the tick quite well, or with a tap, or whatever, the tick, tock, tock, or I don't know. Cut to the quick, I think, is what you're struggling for, but that wouldn't be appropriate in this context. It's cut to the quick. I think is what you're struggling for Context it's difficult to know sometimes My Kind of just say bro. I'm loving the fact that I am I'm chatting to a European acknowledge. Yeah stand up. You're just busted a European part of the hustle tour

My jean my guys it's lighting up. I'm so there's a way Harry Yeah, I'm in cologne in Germany, but yes, thank you, but I Amsterdam. Yeah, so we're... Paris. Yeah, I'm in Cologne in Germany, but yes, thank you. But I was in Amsterdam last... Amsterdam, by the way, let me just get... Let me... Amsterdam, the show was great, right? Great crowd.

The Amsterdam airport security experience is a delight. Beautiful. Is a delight. You walk through there, they've got little pods there numbered, the lights come on, the security person said to me, good morning, and then said just wait there one second. She goes, you can go to that pod there. I went over there. The guard was going, what stuff have you got? Okay, well, you're going to need to take that one out if that's okay. Let's do all of that. Go through. They'd like going to have a nice flight, hope you had a nice time in Amsterdam. I'm just like, what is going on, man? They are incredibly genuine.

Can I stop you straight away? Okay. The airport experience is nice. I'm in that airport experience, I met three or four Dutch people. Off the back of that anecdote You cannot then make a sweeping generalization, but every Dutch. Can I say we went out to Amsterdam to have some zoo to film some managerial stuff. Yes, that was What you are doing with whatever your managerial promotional budget is I find absolutely incredible by the way That you and Stan both traveled to Amsterdam to get that content I mean listen great content and

I've got to say you guys are positioning yourselves in a unique way I like it I like it so many other companies are just sort of very they're humorless you know whereas you've gone for like a different a different tack but but you paid to travel to Amsterdam. Yeah. Can I just say, can I just say all that? There's a couple of things. Explain to me the thought process behind that, please. Firstly, we did some looking into where

there was an actual manual in a zoo. We found a manual in Amsterdam Zoo. So then the idea was to go and get a picture with a mandrill. How close were you hoping to get this picture? Because they're not... It's not like going to Disney and getting a picture with Mickey. Do you know what I mean? You're not meeting Rafiki. You know, it's an actual wild animal. But anyway, go on. I thought for a start they'd be like in a glass sort of box type thing. Like a glass can. Like a small box that you keep a crown jewels in or something? No, no, no, but if you know like when you go in there the gorillas are in quite like

perspex like lockups. They were, the mandrels were in a quite sort of deep pit. Yeah, because zoos are horrible aren't they? I mean that's a, they're horrific things that shouldn't exist, but anyway go on. I'd say that the mandrel was stuffed't exist. But anyway, go on. I'd say that the man, the manager was stuffed away in a corner. Like, yeah, very, very much like an open spot, a very sort of like a big game. Do you know what I mean? Like someone who they weren't sure if it was going to nail it.

Uh, so then as we were sort of trying to get a picture with the manager, uh, the guy, the one they said that we couldn't get in the pit and whatever, cause manager was apparently worse and guerrillas and more dangerous. They're like, you didn we couldn't get in the pit and whatever because the manager was apparently worse in guerrillas and more dangerous. You didn't ask to get into the pit. Quite aggressive. Well no, I said is there any way to get closer to them? So you did ask.

Did I say by the way that the Dutch people, everyone I met, I was there for three days, the Dutch people were beautiful, lovely people. This zoo, a lot of the zoo attendants had quite bad bio. And I actually respect the fact that it's probably because they work with animals, so it's like their natural scent, right? If you're working with animals. Yeah, I mean, I'd have to get a verification on that, but I mean, yeah. But I would like to see if there is a verification in if you work at zoos, like is deodorant seen as a weakness? Because I've chatted to quite a lot of the zoologists,

I guess it would be. I mean, there are people that work at the zoo, I can't imagine they're all zoologists in the same way that Katy Perry's not an astronaut. I mean, that's a very specific qualification you're talking about. Right, yeah, but, well yeah, I mean, this guy knew a lot about magiols, Gorillas and Monkeys, right?

He was quite... He's actually in one of the videos. He's got a little ponytail. Very, very genuine. Like I said, he's BO. And I'm not casting any stones after Breathgate last week. Well, speaking of stones, it's possible it's a tonsil stone, actually. Well, actually, you know, it's cleared up in very, like, two days later, Caspar, oh, your breath's back to normal, which I suppose that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Normal's not a compliment, is it? Normal is back to how it usually smells. What's hilarious is after we discussed my breath, I got trolled by someone on Instagram, sent you the comment of someone's... And it was, I would say, in terms of timing, one of the worst things I've ever seen. So do you want to just explain what happened? Well, yeah, the guy, the guy was, he told me about something else,

I can't believe it, I remember it was something completely different. I sort of had a joke with him back, and then he said something about, yeah, I met you once, September the 11th donation rally or something, and your breath smelled like a camel's, like you'd been plaiting a camel's ass.

To which at that point as well, that hit hard, because I was like, oh fuck, maybe I... You know, when people think about sending bands to people, it was terrible timing. You'd literally just finished the record. Yeah, and that hit me, and then I'm like, how long, because I knew exactly when that thing, I can't remember the guy,

because he is one of those people on social media who has called himself, I don't know, like, you know, fucking McIntyre 75. Doesn't have a picture. He's got a picture. And I think he's Tottenham. We know it's you, Michael, by the way. Stop trolling Tom.

I know, it's the Tottenham. It's the Tottenham Hotspur fan. There you go. The evidence is piling up. Yeah. It is Michael McIntyre. Oh shit, Michael is, isn, stop trolling. It's a total, it's a total hoax. There you go, the evidence is piling up. Yeah. It is Michael McIntyre. Oh shit, Michael is isn't it? Yeah, it is Michael McIntyre. But it was, so that literally just rocked me.

I had a breakdown, full breakdown to Catherine. I said, how often does my breath smell? The problem is, you started crying and imagine if anything you're huffing more of that horrible breath on her. Oh, the course, yeah. The whole house smells. But I, you know, I had to wait for whatever was making

my breath smell to pass through my system. But do you think that's what it was? I don't know. I had a, before the Fisher and Allen fight, I'll tell you now, before the Fisher and Allen fight, I had a Chinese takeaway, or a Chinese at a restaurant meal. And in that I had some, you know, like the spicy sweet and sour sauce, kung pao type thing.

I've had that before and it's had a similar effect. So I think that and, you know, whatever else I had. It just, I think that was a thing. Do you think it's like in the same way that aftershave smells differently on different people, you think that kung pao, it reacts to something you've got in your system and it reacts all I can hope is that it reacted within like eight nine out because I don't mind if caffeine's melting, gray smell end but I was talking to a lot of people that

night boxers and friends and people and if my breath hummed like that all night I can only think that Eddie Hearn and people have gone away thinking Tom Davis stinks. Yeah it's a tricky one when you're going into a public scenario. I had a thing where I got, you know we've talked about this before, where you suddenly get paranoid that you might have bad breath or you might have, well sometimes I find that when you go into public situation you think have I got a booger But I can't openly check right now because I've walked into like quite a public situation.

We went to, on Sunday, we went to, Charlie had a football presentation. So we turned up to that and it was, cause it was bank holiday weekend, they turned it into a bit of a sesh. So all the parents are outdoors, all the parents having beer, on the beers and stuff. So I turned up, I turned up,

we obviously released from Charlie and then somebody recognized me, came up and asked for a photo and started talking to me for quite a while. But then I immediately became paranoid that my breast stunk and I might've had like a backache. So I was doing a lot of looking around

to direct my mouth away from them. And I sort of had my hand over my face to sort of disguise it. They must've just thought I was in, I look like a really bad secret agent. Do you know what I mean? Or you know like at the football game. Yeah, when they cover their mouth. Maybe that is what they're all doing.

They're not actually trying to mask what they're saying. They've all got terrible breath. Cole Palmer's just absolutely terrifying. He's got awful breath. Nicholas Jackson is just gonna go, I'm gonna, what are you, my thing is, you know when you're at the boxing, it's the tightest seating, right?

And this is a bit that makes me really worried, but it's such tight seating. And I'm sitting there with, you know, from kind of mates, kind of boxers. And one of the boxers offered me a chewing gum, which at the time I thought was a really nice, genuine thing. And now I'm worried that I was sitting so close to him, he was like, I can't, I genuinely like,

Johnny Fisher and me will be knocked out on the basis that his breath smells. Okay but do you think there's a world in which you assume that that is coming from like so let's say that that is because of your breath right which you know the evidence does stack up I don't want to get into it a little bit the evidence does stack up. Mate can I just say by the way thank you to everyone who's messaged about the tonsil stones. Yeah, we've had emails in as well, suggesting that you get like one of those,

like a little water flosser and just get in there and like maybe the stone will pop out or something. But- Hold on, where do the stones sit in the throat? In the folds of your throat apparently. Oh my God. Yeah. Like you know sometimes-

Also, can you do that yourself? Would you have to go to a specialist to get that? No, you can do it yourself. Sometimes I just fly out. I saw some video of a guy talking in a tonsil stone. Just for tick tock. Obviously tick tock. Where else am I consuming media? Yeah. I'm not watching the news. I'm not reading. You know, it's got to the point now where everything I'm getting is from TikTok now. Such a distorted, horrible view I've got of the world. Everyone's horrific, by the way. Everyone's horrific and racist and they're nonces. And if you've got the slightest physical defects, you should be rightly pilloried for it.

You know, that's what TikTok's teaching me. Yeah. It's a dark... Can I just say someone I met who is an Instagram influencer and TikTok... I saw Big John at the fight and his wife, his ugly wife. Um, do you know the whole of boxing changes watching a fight when you've talked to family members beforehand? I've got to say, I've met lovely people, uh, shout out big John and Charlotte and the rest of the family.

But when Johnny went into the ring and then got knocked out against Dave Allen, having chatted to them and watching, they were, I could see them from my seats and see his mom I felt really hard watch I've got so really just quite yeah Sad for them. I'll see amazing moment Dave Allen because and that is the sport But yeah, he's I can see the fear of these mamas on the lead-up to the fight. It was quite as quite into yeah I mean, I suppose it's no different than, my mum sort of going around before she came to my show and brightening and telling everyone that she hoped

I wouldn't be shit. Yeah, I do, whenever like, even if Lisa comes to the show, not that it's gonna change her opinion of me, but you do think, how rank will it be for her to watch her husband do what he does for a living and just go for it. And she's invited a couple of friends and they're all like oh my god so it's just one of them like nudging Lisa going so do you find it difficult to find him sort of sexually attractive after watching

something like that? And she's like Lee of course I don't yeah. It's like Lee from the gym from Spinklabs. I don't find him any less attractive, if that's what you mean. Take from that what you will. But the point I was trying to make is, well two points actually. First of all, I'm assuming now based on the fact you've talked about it at length, the deal was you get free tickets to the boxing in exchange for mentioning it on two consecutive podcasts. And the second thing, the second thing is, the second thing is,

if I met up with you, and this has not happened by the way, so don't get in your head about it, but if I met up with you and your breath stank, imagine like it just absolutely hummed. I might offer you a chewing gum or a mint, but I'm not thinking, oh disgusting Tom, fucking have a mint. I'm just thinking my mates-

Yeah, but you're a good guy, you're a good human being. That's what that guy might be thinking. That guy might be thinking, oh poor Tom, we've all been through it. That's why he's got gum on him because we've all been through it wearing the breast. Let me just help the brother out. That's how-

But you know now, but I've now, someone sent me about peppermint drops. I've ordered some peppermint drops. And then so I spoke to someone else about I can have a peppermint drops for my breath and they're actually more for like irritable bowel and constipation. Well, there you go, double whammy, aren't they? I had it when we did Parents' Evening, I just finished filming the series with my mum.

And as we were about to go on, she gave me like, she's got a spray that she has with her all times. And she just handed it to me, she goes, have this. And that almost 100% is she's noticed that. Yeah, you're kicking out. Yeah, must have. It's such a, but it's also a thing of like, how do you break that to someone? I've been in an office with someone who's a B.O. and it's like, I've had to say something, it was horrible, it was an awful thing. But I was sort of put front and centre to have to do that because I got on with the person.

But in a zoo... It's unpleasant to have to tell them, but you are doing them a favour. Yeah, of course. I'd rather someone went in a really sympathetic way, mate. Yeah. Yeah, you press. Okay, can I give you a, for instance, how would you feel if you had a BO issue,

you weren't sure about it, but you found out because you helped someone out with a bit of online content and then they mentioned it on their podcast. What would you, how would you? Would you consider a gentle way of it of it being broke? No, but can I say I don't I actually my thing there is actually I think the BR is a thing I don't and any zoom workers or whatever.

I think that the fact is but you don't know that. What if it isn't? No, but that's my hunch. The guy Yeah, but what if it, sure, but as this podcast has proven, you've had hunches about many things, right? Some of them have been right, like McDonald's fucking becoming AI, yeah, robots. Yeah, listen, okay, all right, all right, let's not start harping on about past glories, all right?

But yes, you were correct on the McDonald's thing, right? But what if it isn't a thing? What if it isn't a thing? Well, if it isn't a thing? To do mandrill content with you and then Suddenly he's like oh, I've become a fan of Tom You know since let me listen to this podcast He does for that guy that he secretly hates but pretends he gets on with for money Right, and then he hears you talking about this his fucking Bo situation

And then not only that not only do you think he's got BO, you think he's got BO to such a point that you think he's doing it for the animals. That is a wild thing to say. No, but I think it is, there must be an element of it. I smell like four or five different people that are quite chronic BO. And I was like, oh, maybe that is a thing that they do

on the basis that they've got to get in with some of these animals. And the scent of like them, their musk, so to speak, is like, you know, if they smell too much of deodorant and stuff, it could throw the animals off. Whereas actually, they smell of bio. It's a good theory. But you think like generations,

like cavemen didn't have links from mesh. Get that in your head, right? Wow, holy shit, seriously. So they just smell of beer. It's a generation thing. So people who work in zoos, the message is you're basically like Neanderthal man. So there you go.

No, if on your first, right, that's your first out of the zoo, I'm your manager, right? Yeah, your name is, I don't know. Oh, let me have a guess. Sylvester Reginald P. Dickington or something, is it? And what's your name? Mixmaster Davis. Fucking ice cold Jim.

Ice cold Jim Brown. I was actually going to give you quite a cool name. Okay, go on. Your name is Kieran Grunt, all right? Kieran Grunt? Yeah, I'm your new manager, right? What's your name? You come in.

Er, I don your new manager, right? What's your name? You coming? I don't know. Drake. Sebastian DeValle. Right. Oh, fucking. Okay. So you come in my office, and I'm like, oh, hi, Kieran. Hello.

First day at the zoo, I believe. Yeah, it is. I love animals. So just, I mean, you know, don't get me wrong. One of the main reasons I'm coming here is to find out if there's fundamentally evil as I suspect they are Well, no, you'll find some of the animals are a little bit Just keeping them in glass cases, you know, anyway, well Kiran can you please keep that to a minimum? Zoo wise that kind of speak really really upsets some of our patrons and some

of our visitors. Yeah, no, I get that. Okay, so if you have got ethical beliefs, keep them to yourself. Well, no, I don't know. What I'm saying is I don't have an ethical belief, Mr. Deval. It's more part of the reason I've taken this job was obviously to keep make ends meet, you know, we're in a cost of living crisis, etc. But the other reason is just to see if, you know, when I looked on the website,

I was led to believe that this zoo is like a, it's a conservation space, and there's a lot of positives to it. So I'm just, you know, interested to find out for myself. If you can just hear me out here, The Grunt, basically, we've put that in on our website, just so people believe that this isn't an old school zoo stroke circus. Okay. So the animals are very, yeah. Well, no, because we do performances

here. Sorry, Mr. Deval. Do you mind? What sort of performances are you doing here at the zoo? I don't know the sea lions will like bounce balls on their nose ears, dolphins jump up in the air Okay, well that that sounds that sounds a bit off if you don't mind me saying we've got some rope Why you twiddling your mustache as you say that and counting cash? Well listen if you don't mind grunt

the The monkeys will dance to Taylor Swift and such. So it's all very fun and jovial. One of the things that we- That sounds horrific. Well, when you're a little bit older, you've been working here a little longer, you might get a chance to join in with some of the performances.

I don't, well, can I just be clear? I wouldn't want to take part in any of this. And I'll be honest with you, currently- You've got quite a facetious attitude. It's not facetious. Kieran honest you've got quite a facetious Kieran is fine. It's not facetious Mr Deval. The situation is you've just told me that you've got dancing monkeys is literally it's yeah that is like worse than what I thought might be going on here. Well can I just say those dancing monkeys when you're giving them bananas at the end of a show you'll see who's the real winner is. Okay?

Yeah, sure. You make them perform and then you throw food at them and they're grateful because you keep them underfed, I assume, for the rest of the time. And that's how you incentivize the performance. Is that right? Well, well, Grant, I can't tell you that much. Again, Kieran is fine.

And actually, just to be clear, I don't know why you keep saying this, it's Kieran Grant. Oh, okay. I had you down as Kieran Grant. Yeah. Now, listen, Mr. Grant. Grant, one of the things that you'll be doing as a junior zookeeper is you'll be in charge of... Well, not in charge because it's your first day,

but you'll be helping out with feeding the animals. So you'll be going into some of their habitats. I'm going to ask if you've washed and used the odorant this morning. I've definitely washed. Yes. Uh, and I have, I have used the mild deodorant. Yeah. Sort of an environmentally sound one. Well, what I'm going to have to ask you to do is if you make, go down to the penguin enclosure, uh, the penguins are all going to be having that lunch. If you can have a little wash in there,

just wash the deodorant off. Because basically when are all going to be having their lunch if you can have a little wash in there just wash the deodorant off because basically when you're going to have showers at the as part of the staff facilities is that so that's how everyone's washing is it they go into the penguin we haven't got at the moment as a part of the the workers facilities is showers that's something we're looking at just just to sort of furthest is a part of the the workers facilities is showers that's something we're looking at building in the new block. Can I just ask, just to sort of further slightly, so all of the staff go and wash their sort of areas in the water that the the penguins are swimming in and eating in and is that what how it operates here? No no no no just those who've got quite a lot of deodorant

so if you've got chemicals on then you wash those chemicals into the water that the penguins are in, is that right? Yeah, the penguins don't mind it. How do you know? None of them have complained. None of them have complained. We haven't noticed any side effects. How would they?

I'd love to know because obviously you are, I'm assuming you're an expert because you run the zoo. I don't know why you've lit a cigar. Can I just ask, if the penguins were to be complaining about chemical deodorant chemicals are in the water What would that look like? We you'd see a lot of squawking a lot of rubbing eyes Right, so you'd like to be burning before you think this might be an issue No, even if it was a mild chemical reaction, okay. I'm sure we'd have so've got Lee, who, Lee Quick, I don't know if you know him,

he's a bit of a local lad, very sweet boy. He went to the comedy with my wife, recently, actually. He's quite a cad. But Lee, in the time that he's worked here, he's become a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's a bit of a man. He's quite a cad. But Lee, in the time that he's worked here, has become

very observational about the penguins. He sits and watches them and he'd understand. That sounds a bit weird. Is that as part of his job, where he just sits and watches the penguins? I know it's part of his job. One day, if you're here long enough, maybe it'll be your turn to watch the giraffes or bears or flamingos or something you're into Yeah, but for the moment when you're going into their natural habitat, we will need you to smell Slightly a bit more musky and a bit more of your own scent So if you've got a yeah, even if you after after work

If you spend a beer you want to have a little duck in the penguin pond on your way before you go home and get on the bus, that's fine. But yeah, when you're going into the animals enclosure, especially the bears, the lions, or anything that could be a bit dangerous, we don't want them smelling aftershave or deodorant. I understand that, Mr. Debaugh. Thank you. And by the way, what an efficient way

of getting this point across. Could I just highlight one thing? Yes, of course. If I might just sort of... Like Kieran. A concern, if you will. I walked, as I was coming in in the morning, there was a member of your staff crying. Yes. Looked very, very upset. And I asked him why he was upset, and he said he'd been called Smelly on a popular podcast. Okay. And he said he thought he'd got on with this guy and agreed to be in some social media

content for him without a fee, by the way. And then... Well, I think he was given a fee in laughter. And if I remember rightly, I believe I heard a story about him, you know, being given a badge as well. A badge? A mandrel badge, I believe, yes. A mandrel badge, oh, what? Promoting...

So he was given a free advert, was he, for the... Yes, I believe the gentleman in question was a... In lieu of a fee? Yeah, well, he's a very genuine soul. And also, by the way, if you're wondering how to smell when you're going into somebody, have a whiff of Vander, and he will... That is a... Yeah. Well, I've got to say, I very much hope,

for the purpose of our conversation, that's not his real name. No, no, it's not. I had to make one up on the spot. Okay, good. Well, that's great. I don't want to throw it. Yeah. You don't want to throw him under the bus any more than you have. That's not his real name Under the front there's no reason for the the rear wheels to go over him as well Yes, but he was he's a very sweet boy And I'm sure when you met him and you chatted to him you got that he'd help anyone out. He's a lovely lovely man Yeah, no, he's a belief of people from manager liked him so much They offered to send him some manager some of their free products. Oh, yes. Oh, well, that's nice Isn't it? But he doesn't go to the gym again in lieu of a fee. Is that right?

He doesn't he doesn't he doesn't work out the gym. So it was of no use to him, right? Okay, he does all this work out lugging around big barrels of hay Well, that feels like a protein would still be useful and staying hydrated. Yes. Yes, but as we all said as though This is our motto each their own Yeah, that's what we say. Yeah. Okay. That's what you say. That's what you say That's what we all say. Okay so the man dual guys at you is Mr. Deval now felt like a little bit like you might be a representative of mandrill.

Oh don't laugh. I can only hope to be involved in such an awesome and prestigious business. Now I'm very much Mr. Deval and I'm very much pushing the method of less personal hygiene. Okay fine. It's more animal magic. Yeah and I'm assuming that's why you smell as you do. Yeah that's why I'm, I smell quite repugnantly, but I also live on the premises. I have a little cottage by the, uh, uh, by the little rat things that pop their head up.

Sure. I've been in the adverts. The ferrets? Oh, the meerkats? Yes. Yeah. Okay. Well, it's, uh, so you, you own, you run the zoo? Yes. I run the zoo. Okay. Well, thank you very the zoo? Yes, I run the zoo. Okay. Well, thank you very much, Mr. Var. Very excited about my first day.

I'm just going to- Well, you're going to enjoy working here, Grant. Can I just ask you before I go, would you like some gum? See, that's quite a nice exchange between- Yeah. See, yeah. Yeah, that's good. I mean, for Cetrus and everyone,

and I feel for the guy, I can't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean for Cedric and I feel for the guy now I can't remember his actual name. I feel that maybe I should send something nice to him. Yeah, like what I Don't know like a I don't like some cupcakes or something. What do you said somebody's helped you out? I was fine. I pay them for their appearance Yeah, but you know, we did generally we did say to him this to go online and he was just very excited to be a part of that. Yeah, and what a treat for him to be followed up with another mention. Congratulations, Vanda. I mean, I'd say that we could cut this bit, but it's essentially been 27 minutes of the

show. That's the first half of the broadcast done if we cut that. Do you think I should go back out to Amsterdam and take them out for dinner? No, the truth is I was deliberately exaggerating. I mean, the guys are working around animals. You're not going to, you're not going to smell delightful. That's just the fact. Well, yeah, no, because if you smell it with Tom Ford or any other top, you know, battalions, you're going to, it's going to throw someone off.

Getting a little bit of an insight into how you smell in these days. My guy. You smell amazing by the way, the other day when we were at the, uh, the, uh, bakery gig. Oh, thanks. That's very sweet of you. That's very kind of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I can't stop thinking about the sausage rolls that Sean does. Somebody said to me that I smell really nice and we're with Ben Green and Ben Green said that's his thing. He smells nice. That's quite a good thing. It's not a thing is it to smell, it's not a stick.

You assume that most people are going to. Yeah but I think you always smell like you've got you know a plethora of different smells I wouldn't be able to go that's where I was just sent you know you'll smell I think that's a shame isn't it because you are supposed to have a signature scent on you I think that's yeah that's how the pros do it who's who would you say so much professional smeller you have a note I think most football is pretty good I think Jamie Redknapp. Yeah, Redknapp's all supposed to be nice. Smells nice. Can I say, it's really sad at the moment,

because I keep seeing that Jack Greelish is going through a bit of a time of it, and he looks like he's gonna be leaving Man City. Yeah. I adore Jack Greelish. I mean, I don't want to get into football too much, but just as a thing, I actually quite, I think it's quite a sad state of affairs

that someone like Jack Greelish, he can turn the game on its head and he's just got this sort of, when we talk about footballers who, when we were younger, who were sort of like the folklore, you know, like the Robin Hoods of the game, someone like Jack Greelish, that's what he is, right? I feel really sad for him.

Whenever I sort of, you know, he goes out, he seems like he's a pretty down-to-earth kid, probably all smells nice, but he probably smells like Duke, but also like someone's pulled a Stella down his front, as well. I actually quite respect that. I wonder if you're in a position,

if you're in Jack Grealish's situation, that hearing two losers like us express sympathy for him might be the low point. If somebody says to him, when did you know you hit rock bottom? Well, I was listening to two of the most beta males on the fucking planet say that they felt really sorry for me

and they were glad they weren't in my position. And that's when I realised that really was fucking snake's belly time in terms of where life has led me. No, I just think it'd be nice for him to go somewhere where his behaviour and how he conducts himself, which seems quite grounded. Go where you're celebrated, not tolerated.

You know, that's the old question. Wow, exactly, that's what you should have put on a T-shirt. Yeah, yeah, I just feel with Jack, that'd be quite a nice thing, yeah. Well, I just watched it again without getting into football, but somebody asked Pep a question about it. Did you see that? No.

They asked the Man City, I don't know how much to go in. I never know, because it's not football, because how much to explain. Pep Guardiola, Man City manager, they said to him, you're not happy with Jack. Jack's not happy, you're not happy with Jack. Can you explain what the situation is? And Pep just lost his temper.

And what do you mean? When did I say I wasn't happy with him? There's lots of other people I've not selected. Do you say, why are you not asking me about them? Why asking me about Jack? He just sort of like, he's obviously not. He's obviously wasn't. He actually defended Jack.

He said, I fought for him to come to the club. I really liked, he said, he's telling me I've got a problem with him now. You know, because it's a difficult situation. Yeah, whatever. But like, you know, I guess it's all relative, isn't because like, you know to us you sort of think well playing professional football is a dream come true But yeah, but you we all have our own little struggles within that don't we your your goalpost changed if you pardon the pun When you're in that situation

Anyway, beautiful thing, which you like. Oh, by the way. Oh, sorry before we get into emails, which we are gonna do a couple of, I would love, so last week, I went to get some tattoos, some new tattoos done, some fresh ink. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim took me, and it was at Paul Boxall Tattoos, great place. He's not paid, I've paid full price for the tattoos,

it's not, this is not gifted or discounted or anything, but it's just really good. And, um, Jim Kate, Jim dropped me there and then Jim came in for a bit. Um, and was like looking around and liked it and whatever. And then started joking around about, I said to Jim, our next time I come, you can come with me and then I'll leave the last hour for you to get something done. Anyway, Jim gave me a lift a couple of days after and he's had to think about it. Jim's getting a tattoo. Yeah, he was in Berlin together. He was talking about how amazing the new tattoos are and he was telling me about his tattoo. I'm now, I think I've got a tattoo, by Marky, who's just amazing, a friend of people's just nothing, nice guy, taste cadet.

He has got an amazing, I'm having my Mount Rushmore of comedians on my calf now. Bro, you don't have to get a tattoo of me, man. That's wild. Do you know what I mean? I was gonna get a tattoo of you. Just here, but just like here. Where?

Right there. On the inside of your thought. Oh, but just like here. Where? Like there. On the inside of your thought. Oh, on your groin. Actually on your groin. Yeah, but like a tiny little face. Okay. Like you from Joe Frumich. Yeah, yeah, that sounds good, yeah.

No, are you really gonna get a tattoo though? Yeah, I'll get a tattoo on my calf, yeah, yeah. I'm gonna get a tattoo on my calf and then I've got a couple of other little ideas. I've been putting it off for ages and just, yeah. They've been asking after you. Who's what? Who has?

The tattoo guys. Cause I said to them, I said to Paul, Oh, Tom's quite keen on getting one. He said whenever he wants to come in. So yours looks sick. Yeah. But, um, but Jim's getting one. You, I'd love it if we all went at the same time. Got them together. I think the three of us to go.

Yeah. And then what he said was sometimes when it's like mates that come together, he lets the mates do a little bit, like have a little go on each other. Really? If you tattooed me, we could tattoo each other. We don't do the full, whole, I mean, that's mental, to do the whole tattoo.

But like just do a little bit of, you know, tiny little. Yeah, that'd be cool. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, be cool. Okay. Yeah. Samsung Vision AI televisions transform screens into intelligent solutions from the shows that make us laugh to those that make us cry. Now your TV knows you more than ever.

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Download the Instacart app and enjoy $0 delivery fees on your first three orders. Service fees, exclusions, and terms apply. Instacart groceries that over deliver. Okay, should we do some emails? Yeah. Okay, we've sort of talked about this. Hi, this is from the crab. I was listening to your podcast today. I think Tom's bad breath could be tonsil stones. If your breath smells a bit metallic, it might be that. I get them sometimes.

Have a poke in your tonsils with a cotton bud and you'll soon see if you have them. They're little white yellow balls of calcified bacteria that collect in the folds of your tonsils and they stink. They will soon pop out if you poke them with a cotton bud, but be warned, it does make you gag. Alternatively, you could try using a water pick, but it was really painful when I did that.

I can't even, where the fold of your tonsils, where does it aim? I don't know, I don't know where that is. That's a great question, I don't know where that is. Yeah, don't know. But you're saying it's sorted now. It feels like it's sorted, unless Catherine's just got so used to it.

Okay, this is a creative question, all right, about the creative process, this next one. Hello to the wolf, the owl, the cat, and the swan. As two people have made a living from creativity, I have a question based on the creative process. Specifically, taking notes. There are a million ways of taking notes. Physical notebooks, digital tools, notes apps, a mixture of both etc. All with their own merits

and drawbacks. I was wondering about the approach both of you take to capturing ideas and then how you go about transforming them into your work. Are you physical notebook people or do you have a digital tool you swear by? Thanks for picking my mail, keep up the great work you sweet, sweet souls. Tom, do you have any specific takes on this for the quizzical quokka? I usually have notes on my phone, but then what I realized with notes on my phone is they just sit on my phone, I don't usually do much. I have to then write them into a notebook, because otherwise I tend to just make notes and do nothing with them. And whereas if I if I then if I if I write it down on it in an actual physical notebook, it

tends to actually become something else. I write maybe everything down. There's a thing that I said you just yesterday, a project, and I wrote nearly all of that out of my hand in a little book, like in a notebook, just because I find that's the way. And then typing it up afterwards, I find the easiest way of doing things. I think it's something that you can write.

I thought I always find if you're writing on a keyboard or a phone, you're almost trying, it's become something you're trying. It's not really note form, you're almost perfecting it. Or you can go back and change it. Whereas if you're just sure it's become something you're trying it's not really note form you're almost perfect in it or you're you can go back and change it whereas if you're just pouring something out onto paper as a dyslexic I don't really think about spelling mistakes I never think about grammatically how it sounds it's literally just pouring out what's the process inside my head and then I can go back and I can type that up onto the screen and I can deal with the relevant stuff. So I think yeah that's what my suggestion was is

yeah I'm similar I've got like a mix of I have like different like stages so like with stand-up for example I'll always write it out physically on with a notebook I've always I pretty much I can out physically with a notebook. I can't think of a time when I've not got a notebook with me. And then also I've got one of those electronic tablets, you know the paper simulator thing where you can just like, the one I use is the remarkable,

but I've broken it recently, so I've got to figure out what to do about that. But anyway, my stuff kind of escalates. So I'll start off in a notebook, then I'll write out a bit more and piece it around. and then eventually I might end up getting to work on a laptop With it if it's a script thing, but it always starts on paper or the tablet So so you go have that stuff or the question I've got for you Tom is something that I've been concerned about now I know you've talked a lot about your ADHD

Am I doing am I sounding quite formal? I know you've talked a lot about your ADHD. Am I doing, am I sounding quite formal? I know you've talked a lot about your ADHD. You've got quite formal now, yeah. You've got quite a Steven Bartlett vibe. Yeah, what's going on? You're like a Steven Bartlett vibe. Even if I'm interested in the project I'm working on, I find it very difficult to sit at a laptop and work on it. And like somebody told me about you can take stuff to help you concentrate, but then I worry that that's going to like stop my creativity. Do you know what I mean? So now I'm in a situation where maybe I'm never going to be able to write anything because I just, my mind, I just, if you said to me, work on a script, even if I love the idea,

I have to wait until my brain goes, when are you spending an hour doing it now? I can't force myself. It's really hard. Do you know what I mean? Do you have that? But it's like, it's like fitness, isn't it? Or training. As it sounds. I'll find, like this morning, for example, I don't really want to get up and do anything physical. So I pushed myself to do that because I was like, there are days where I'm probably going to get to three, four o'clock and I'll feel quite down. I'm quite, you know, I need to train because, and I find that days when I'm feeling very creative is never really an issue of writing

stuff is the days when I wake up and go, I can't be fucking bothered for a start. I think it's just go in. I always just think switch switch off my phone, don't have the phone in the room with me, sit in the room with a pad and just start writing and try to do that for an hour. And that hour usually becomes two or three hours because you just get into the run of it. And once you've got stuff on the paper, I always find if you, without going,

well, I've got to get this much done, you just sit there and try and get out what's in your brain. This is great. Sometimes there are days where you actually get more done because you're not fit. There's days where create creative. They'll sit and I can just go, Oh, this is gonna be a great day. I'll just write loads. And like, for example, where with like trying to write this book at the moment, it's like there's days where I think, Oh, this is the day I've got it nailed. And it's the worst part of crap that I've ever written. And there might be

one or two sentences of 400 that are already good. But the days I don't really think I'm gonna write anything decent and the days actually I sit and it becomes I have to push my brain to be a bit more constructive a bit more critical. You might have changed my creative life there. You know, I'm going to start being a bit more disciplined. I did go through a phase of writing stand-up every day. As in, like, even when I didn't have a show to work towards,

I'd spend, like, an hour just thinking of ideas. It does make it easier then when you've got a new material gig, I suppose. Like, it's just about getting into the discipline of it, isn't it? Because I think, like, you can get too caught up in thinking, I've got to wait for the creative urge to strike. But actually if you put it... Yeah but I think of it as being that's what my job is, that's what my nine to five, like the stand-up is. So I just think otherwise I suppose I like you know there's a bit of imposter syndrome and there's a bit of realising how fortunate I am as things so if I'm not

in German is a bit of realizing how fortunate I am as things. So if I'm not, I always feel if I'm not doing something, I'm sort of, you know, I'm not working hard enough. Oh God, okay. Well, there you go. That's me reflecting on the last year and thinking what the fuck have I done with that? Oh, Christ. What I didn't want out of this was a fucking hang up.

But thank you. No, no, but it's, no, but it's each their own. It's like, I've written stuff from this. Absolutely. If I look back, I could send you stuff that is pure embarrassment, like scripts, books, stuff that's just awful. But what I see is like it's all about learning. And sometimes it's just, and also it's enjoy.

I used to waste, so mate, I had wasted like three, two years whenever I had any downtime or any time during the day where I didn't have a project going on, I had wasted like three, two years, whenever I had any downtime or any time during the day where I didn't have a project going on, I'd just sit on championship or football manager. And I could waste 12 to 14 hours just saying. I don't think that's waste, this sounds like I'm trying to justify my own behavior now, but I don't think that's wasted time.

Like, I feel like, sometimes I think your brain needs to do shit like that. Do you know what I mean? I mean, don't get me wrong, I think I could be better. But sometimes you do need to just do shit like that, don't you? Yeah, you do, but I think I took it to the point where I was so into it, I was like,

I actually don't know where my life as a championship manager ends and my life as a comedian begins. Well, now we're talking about a different issue now, we were talking about you. Yeah, no, no, I was so invested. Yeah. That's actually, that's a psychological it we're now we're talking about a different issue now we were talking about you know, I was so invested Yeah That's that's actually that's a psychological issue. Isn't it?

That's what I remember going to bed one night and I was being offered two big jobs in football And I didn't know which one to take because I was like if I get this wrong I could literally ruin everything I've built as a legacy manager And I would talk quite to need some people I was when we were filming Wonka, I talked to quite a lot of different people about it and they were like, you seem to be taking this a bit more seriously than you're taking the film itself, which maybe was evident in my... Well, that was quite a rollercoaster because initially I sort of felt bad about myself,

but now weirdly I feel a lot better. So that's good. Yeah, I know, but this is... It's all a rollercoaster baby, strap in, enjoy the ride. Shout out Ronan Keating. Right, do you want to do another email? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can imagine Ronan Keating almost smells nice. Yeah, I bet he does. I bet he smells nice when he wakes up first thing.

Yeah, yeah. I reckon he puts on a bit of bed, I reckon he puts on bed cologne. Yeah, he would. Yeah. I could imagine he'd be one of the few people who could like eat a cream cone without causing any mess. It's just that hardest food in the world. What's a cream cone? It's like a it's like a puff pastry cone with whipped cream in it. Oh, like a cream horn? Yeah, yeah, like a cream horn. I was also called a cream horn. Cream cone, but you can't call me cream horn. Oh, you're the fucking G now when it comes to this shit. You're in the game.

I'm just a fan. No, I'm not in the game. I thought that's what they were called, a cream horn. Do you sell cream horns? Do you sell cream horns do you so I don't sell anything apart from my person I try to monetize my personality but I don't actually say I don't actually sell baked goods do you mean a cream horn I've not even thought about them until I thought about running Keaton eating one but I've any yeah that would be quite

there I just I can't envisage running Keaton getting any crumbs down him or cream renders. I could imagine somebody eating in cream horn being in the video for life is a roller coaster where somebody buys a cream cone they bite into it and then a bit of the cream falls out the bottom and it falls into this and then they just shrug and laugh and it's like life is a roller coaster just gotta ride it. And then he just eats one with laugh. And it's like, that is a roller coaster, just gotta ride it. And then he just eats one with his hands and there's no crumbs on it.

Or like he's with a girl, she eats the cream corn, the cream falls on her top and he just laughs and then smashes it into his own face. It's like a bit of a, see, it doesn't matter. Do you think if he was being seductive, he'd lick out all the cream from the corn? Oh, fucking hell. What?

I'm just saying. I sort of don't think I can live the rest of my life without seeing Ronan Keaton eat a cream horn now. If Ronan Keaton listens to this podcast, would you mind emailing in wolfapod.gmail.com with just a short video of you eating a cream cone? We could send you a cream cone stroke horn. I don't think we should post him a cream cone.

No, we could get one bite around to his, or you could drop it around to his house. But you should go in your Coughlin's uniform and film it with him. That's a great bit of content. Well, I don't want to say that I don't fully know the range at Coughlin's, but from what I do know, there is no cream cone, cream horn.

Yeah, I think you should have a chat with the manager, manager directors and get some I don't think Sean's like very open to ideas that I suggest. I think he's gonna say, is it possible to knock up a cream horn because we want to try and get a video of Ronan Keaton eating one because it's Tom's like life's wish. I actually can we just have a poll and we'll get JT to do a poll and see how many people would like to see Ronan Keaton

eat a creamed cone. That poll doesn't work. Because you have to go, it's the option or nothing. That doesn't, everyone's going to vote yes. Do you understand why that? But would you be able to live the rest of your life knowing you've never seen Ronan Keaton eat a creamed cone? Okay, well that's a different poll.

If the poll is, do you want to see Ronan Keaton eat a creamed cone. Okay. Well, that's a different poll. If the poll is, do you want to see Ronan Keaton eat a creamed cone? I imagine a hundred percent people go, yeah. If you say, can you live the rest of your life without seeing that happen? Then I imagine- I just think it's a beautiful thing. Like you're egging him on, you're just leaning over his shoulder, just laughing and looking down the camera. What are you doing?

Hey baby. I really got you caught in a mix. You probably take him to the sausage rolls and other bits from Cins But it could be quite a nice little thing shorter and film it Yeah If you're up for it, let us know Doesn't even have to be your house from which can meet you outside the one show or your radio show. Yeah I'm happy to I'll come to wherever and I'll do it like Francois Bergeois or whatever I just stick a gopro to my head and it'll be like a funny little bit of content.

Right, should we do one more email? Yeah, let's do one more sweet email I guess. Hey guys, this is slightly longer and it's a bit, just to get your serious head on, get your listening chops on this, alright? slightly longer and it's a bit to get your serious head on, get your listening chops on this, all right? Hey guys, I hope you're well. The gentle guinea pig here. I recently discovered the pod and subsequently become obsessed. I find myself laughing out loud from the first episode I heard.

I have a bit of a... thank you very much for your kind words, by the way. I shouldn't just sweep past that. I have a bit of a dilemma I hope you can help with. I've been with my partner for six years now since the start of university and I know I want to marry her one day We moved to London from Rotherham near Sheffield last year This is mostly due to her as she wanted to live in London ever since being a small child due to problems at home I love our life in London and we have a lovely flat in

Hearnhill which I wouldn't trade for the world. The problem I have is that we're both working but not earning enough to have a surplus for savings We don't have a large disposable income. I try not to go out as much as I can otherwise I'll enter an overdraft. However my partner is someone who likes to go out frequently and I feel the pressure to do the same. We often talk about marriage, kids, dogs etc and I try to explain that we cannot afford anything like that because we currently don't have any savings and can only just get by as we are now. As a young person in London the finding the balance between living in London and enjoying London are very different. I've been thinking recently that I don't know if living in London is good for me or us, and my mental health is I feel sad, insecure about

having no savings to be able to save for things such as a nice birthday present, a holiday, or even save for an engagement ring. I keep telling myself in London it'll be worth it in the long run. But how long is that? Another problem maybe, I don't convey my feelings or emotions well. Do I wait it out or should I suggest the idea of moving back up north, we'd be able to save and have a more comfortable life at the detriment of our happiness.

My partner frequencies how much she loves London so I'm unsure of what to do. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I consistently myself belly laugh whenever I listen. Keep doing what you're doing. I found myself becoming obsessed and marvelling in the friendship you have together. This is really nice words by the way. You're both such kind souls and I hope to hear from you. All the best to Gentle Guinea Pig. Tom, quite a tricky little conundrum this one. What's your take?

So I mean, I always feel with these ones, I was not struggling to give advice but I can only really speak from experience rather than tell you what to do. So in the very early stages of my and Catherine's relationship, Catherine didn't come from London. Obviously I'm from London and she moved to London and we had to wrap together. Yeah, yeah. No, she'd always wanted to live in London, similar to what it sounds like from this couple. She wanted it, yeah. We'd been together, she wanted a fresh start.

She wanted, you know, and we very much, you know, you know, we had a little flat and, but then I, probably that time as well, and I just stopped really working, sort of doing, working on sites or, you know, selling t-shirts-shirts to go full-time as a comedian and an actor. I'd had a run of things where it had gone quite nicely and I'd been okay. As always in this business, things just went a bit quiet. I think I probably... Financially, I don't really want to get too much. I got tucked up really financially by someone

which meant I lost quite a lot of money. But I was very much struggling at that time with my mental health and being in quite a new relationship. I'm not as, you know, you've been together six years, we've been together a year or so. And I sort of tried the best I could to sort of think, oh, things are gonna get better financially and things were getting tougher and tougher and harder. tried the best I could to sort of think, oh, things are going to get better financially and

things and things were getting tougher and tougher and harder. And I never really at that time, struggled with having that conversation with someone I was completely in love with and really, really sort of, I didn't want to lose that person. And our relationship was relatively fresh or new. So I was just very like, I just remember like even now, and sort of I talked to Catherine and we talk about this a lot, but I remember the time,

the feeling of trying to hold things together and pretend everything was fine, but the actual like sickening feeling that I was financially, in financial situation where I was getting more and more in debt, I couldn't really afford to pay my side of the rent. And it came to quite a horrible crux at a point where we lost the flat and we really

had to start life again. And we went through probably two years of a bob out really. And a lot of that was down to the fact that I never really spoke to Catherine about it. There was things that we probably could have done. There was, you know, and that's been the making of us now, but those two years were very, very tough for both of us. You know, Catherine at the time worked three jobs. I was working two or three different things.

And, you know, I had a lot of money and it was just a very, very difficult situation to find yourself in. I wish to this day that I'd be more open, not just with Catherine, but with friends, with my mum and dad and with people. and instead of trying to shoulder all of that anxiety. I think, you know, sitting here, you know, 12, 13 years later, whatever it is, with someone who's sort of had therapy, and lucky enough now to have friends that I can open up to, I sort of, if I could ever go back, that was the thing I would have, would have said, let me just to speak to someone or just just try and just bottle in all that, that feeling

up and that financial worry. Even now when I think back of it, it feels like I remember like going as well to do stand up or whatever. And you know, Romh knows me pretty well. I try to overly act like the guy that you would never have guessed. There were times where I was very close to probably not wanting to be here. I think you're lucky, but I got to a point where I was like, I can't see a way out. It was probably one of the hardest sort of, yeah, like I say, few years of my life. And like, if I could go back and give myself any advice at that time, it would have been to be open

and talk to people and speak, find people you could speak to and get some clarity. Because I think the trouble is that once you get yourself in a situation where like you get into that, you can almost start thinking about things as being like the worst case scenario, this might happen, that might happen. And yeah, it's very hard to see the sun on a rainy day then. So yeah, my thing would be speak to your business, speak to people and yeah, try and get a bit of clarity and don't suffer on your own.

That would be my advice. Yeah, it's great advice from Tom. I think that, you know, I sort of echo what Tom's saying, it's sort of generic advice, but you do need to talk to your other half because what it sounds like is you are in a grey area as to what your priorities are because she's loving living in London, but she might your priorities are, because she's loving living in London. But she might have similar concerns, but she likes going out in London and you are worried about saving up for an engagement.

I mean, what I would say to you with regards to that is, be good for you to figure out what your priorities are. Are these things a problem? So for example, your other half, when you say save up for a nice birthday present, is she that bothered about getting a nice birthday present? Or is she willing to sacrifice things like that to be in London and for you to have a nice time now?

Is it a problem that you're not going away somewhere expensive on holiday or anywhere on holiday? If it is, is there a cheaper option or are you going to or do you want to come up with the savings plan? Does she, you know, I know, speaking from personal experience, when Lisa and I first got married, we didn't have any money to buy expensive wedding rings. So we went and bought like,

I think we spent like 15 quid on a ring each or something. And we just sort of considered them to be placeholders until we figured out, you know, until we felt like we might have enough money to get another ring. And the truth is, you know, luckily, we're lucky enough to get into position where we could afford to get another ring. But part of it was like, we weren't sure if we wanted to because there was those, the cheap rings that we bought were so emotionally charged

that, um, that you sort of go, do we, is it, is it that much of a big deal? So I'm not saying that you're wrong for wanting to save up for an engagement, but figuring out what you're, what you feel about all those things would be a good thing. And then you might be able to figure out a plan together. You might go, well, look, we'd really like to go on holiday. Can we live a lifestyle that means that we can put away this amount of money each month? And then that we can put that towards going to this place. And you, you know, it's a sliding scale of how much money you're able to put aside versus what kind of holiday you want.

All of those things are gray areas that you need to thrash out really. And it's sort of opening up that communication. The way you're writing, it sounds like she really wants to be in London and you're not sure. So a lot of these things are just, what I would say to you is, something now that feels like a little bit of a suspicion or a worry that you're not on the same page, it needs dealing with now, because those are the things that can lead to long-term resentment, issues, you know, real arguments in your relationship. You know, one thing that I can tell you is if you've got a concern about something, communicate it. You know, get that out in the open

as quickly as you possibly can. Because often you'll find it's not as big a deal as you thought it was, or if it is, you work it out together. Good luck. I hope it all works out okay. Tom? Yeah? It's about that song. My G would you be kind

enough to take us out of this little thing? We call the podcast. Hey, friends. staring at my window. It's raining. It's bank holiday Monday. Washout. Oh, well, you're really thinking you're gonna have a barbecue? I was dreaming, so friend, just standing there, looking down on some sizzling meat, burger, sausages. Hey, Romesh is over, don't worry, I got a bean burger for my bro.

Trouble is, as the rain comes down, that meat starts sizzling, washes the whole thing out before you know it. You're staring down at some soggy buns and some cheese that just don't want to be there. You feel the same. So you go inside, head down. What were you even thinking? Dreamer?

Tell them you're a dreamer. Nah, not a dreamer. Just wanted to give some people something to remember. Some sunny skies and sweet, sweet meat and a bean burger. Yes, Ramesh indeed. But that's the thing. Sometimes the plans that you have in your mind don't work out. So that's where you have a plan B. That's what we call a back pocket idea. You can't let the day go to

waste because you know what days aren't infinite and moments come and go. So every time that you hit a hurdle and you go whoa the back wheel is gone the chassis is out looks like we won't be going to the adventure park anymore hey just look over there there's a skateboard ramp we haven't got skateboards we can run up and down it it's a memory That's the thing about memories and moments. Sometimes they're the ones you plan, sometimes they're the ones you don't. Every second counts and every minute is important. So what can you do about this? Well, make the walk to work a memory. I enjoyed that, I listened to a song I liked. Make the lot not at a stranger a memory. Make the small individual moments that don't seem like much

add up to a life that feels worthwhile. Go get it, go believe it, go dream it. Because you know what? Even those soggy buns will dry out. And when they do, you'll laugh and go, soggy beef burger, anyone? Is it bean? Yes, Ramesamesh thanks for coming

friendships important for so moments Wow really good very Eckhart Tolle that yeah Eckhart Tolle who's that you know the guy that did the book the power of now and then he did New Earth I think it's called anyway really good I think it's a really strong message days are not infinite and that's something to think about isn't it. Thank you so much for listening to it. Thank you so much for listening to the world for now Now listen, I know I chose a song from this album earlier, but I've got to tell you, I've been listening to this album nonstop. Aminé, 13 Months of Sunshine, is such a great summer album. So can we play another song from that album?

Feel So Good is such a great tune. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. We'll see you next time, my friends. Stay real. Bye bye. Time for a shave with whatever in my cup. Feel like I've been high for like 13 months. Yeah addiction is pricey. I like my drugs like a pro club white tea. Fresh out the pack, will I stop unlikely? I taste test tests running like Keira Knightley. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com.

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