Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 29: Boxing Bants & AI Podcasts

Episode Date: July 23, 2025

We’re talking… audio experiments, never-ending subscriptions, getting lost with Severance, Tom’s very first live presenting job at the Usyk vs Dubois bout, an awkward interview with Prince Naseem, getting mugged off by rappers, a sober Romesh at The Weakest Link wrap party, the kissing Coldplay couple, the prospect of AI podcasts and Cat’s video of a very drunk Tom. Plus, we answer an email question about how best to deal with criticism of your creative endeavours. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Slightly difficult to sort of commit to what we're doing because there is the nagging sensation that what we're gonna do will never sort of see the light of day. This is a Zencast, it's the first time we've done Zencast. It's a delicious prospect. Yeah Well, I don't think it makes any difference to the listeners, but um, yeah Yeah, yeah, if anything, the only difference is that you are quite fuzzy on my one. There's a sort of fuzziness

How was my picture on yours fuzzy? Okay. Well, yeah So so far it's worse um If you if you really see podcasting kid, you know what it's worse. If you're interested in podcasting, you know what? It's too crystal clear. And actually, I'm able to hear what they're saying too well. Well, congratulations.

We've moved across to Zencaster. Zencaster is seen as like the sort of pro-fucking Premier League of podcast recording material. I don't know if it's Premier League. And then I'm a little fucking brown butler now. I've had to figure my way around this. I'm paying a monthly subscription. I'm now paying a monthly subscription by the way. Don't pay a monthly subscription.

We might go back to Zoom after today. This is so naive. You've been lulled in. They pulled your pants down. Well, I had no choice. You just sent a fucking edict see you on the same car I'm having dinner with little dude get his own car so I'll do the pull costs wait I thought you'd get like a like two

week three week like sort of like that neck rub before the fucking that you know it's a two week trial yeah I where we going? Like, keep it on, keep it on there. Yeah. I'll definitely in 13 days time, get a deep, deep subscribe if I need to. A hundred percent. My, my fucking bank statement is listed with subscriptions for things that I signed up for years ago that I've not canceled. Lisa still supposed to be getting flowers every week.

You've made us twice. Somebody in one of our old houses is getting a regular delivery of flowers that I'm paying for. Like a husband who just literally thinks he's won the lottery, his wife's like, you know what, if it wasn't for the fact you send me flowers every fucking month, I'd have left you. I love that you signed it from Resh. You know I like him. I've got tons of, you know, the worst ones are the yearly subscriptions. Cause you completely forget about them. I've been a member of masterclass now. Uh, for like four years. I'm a masterclass. Steve Martin sucked me in. Yeah.

I started watching how to do stand up with him. Now I'm fucking went gold. Yeah. Yeah. I'm four years years in I've got nothing. I literally look at it. I've learned nothing from masterclass. Nothing. Can I say by the way, I was the word I'm an awful student. I've no even you're weird is I have no attentions back even Steve Martin someone I absolutely adore. I wish Steve Martin I maybe watch. I've watched two of the lessons and I just drift off and so I think the Jalapita one was... Why would I watch Masterclass when I can watch him in Only Murders in the Building? It makes absolutely no sense. What am I doing? Which is basically, Only Murders in the Building is essentially him messing around in the classroom

or a really cool teacher. And then I would say I've watched quite a bit of the Jalapita one, I quite enjoyed that one. But yeah, I think, what's his face? Bradley Cooper's apparently doing one. I've been watching, I think what I've discovered is that I'm a thicco. It's sort of come to my realization relatively recently. Why? Well, I've been watching, I watch Severance, right? I watch Murderbot. Severance is fucking insane.

I watch, like James DeFont, chatter James, who's a very, James adores Severance. It was good. It was good. I haven't got a clue what's going on. No, I watch it. By the way, there's a thing now, apparently in the TV industry and the film industry, or not so much the film industry, but the TV industry, where you have to make stuff that is

accessible to people that will be watching it while looking at their phone. That's a known phenomenon now, double screen. Shout out Below Deck, the premiere program to watch with you. Yeah, but Below Deck isn't, that's not, I'm talking about people are making dramas that if you're not really, you have like now it's a thing we make it, you have to make a drum where you have to hold the hand of the viewer. This is like, not everyone's doing this, but this is like a known thing. So that if you're, what, if you're just scrolling for Instagram and you've got it on, you can still follow, follow the storyline.

So, so severance on the other hand, if you look away from that for two seconds, you'll never get back in. I mean, the number of times that we wound it, I have to watch Severance and then I have to like look at, go online and spend 45 minutes trying to decide for what the fuck it is I watched. What was that? Just why were there animals?

What room was she walking into? What did the names mean? Do you think as well, like this is what worries me is like, do you think the actors know what's going on? They're just saying the words. It's difficult to know, isn't it? Because on the one hand, you like, you read all the stuff about like how they keep it secret from them so that they're, so that there is much in the dark. But then I dunno, how do you know what your motivations are?

Can I just say that that makes me think about Lost. I was obsessed with Lost, we talked about him here before. Imagine on Lost, because obviously everyone said that we know what the ending is, but no one can know, not even the cast, right? We all know what happened to the geezer out of Lord of the Rings, who was let go because he fucking basically found out or something. What's wrong with you? What's going on with you? No, I can't remember his name. Dominic Monaghan?

Yeah, but the way you go, it's like you suddenly remembered your mates of him or something. You promised him you wouldn't tell the story. No, no, I felt, no, by all accounts, him and someone else both got sacked because they sort of had come out and said what happens in the end of a series I think sang along those lines right if you were really

good and in in lost and you played by the rules and you've basically got through to the end you'd have been like what the fuck is this yeah you know you've been fuming so with severance that that's what worries me if I got an audition for severance brilliant show amazing to be involved in it would I'd feel absolutely Mortified that everyone involved would have to there'd have to be someone sitting with me explaining me what what my character is doing What I'm because I'd say the words I might be able to give them some sort of conviction But I'd have no idea what was actually saying which is actually to be fair It's quite a lot like real life and sometimes Jimma how angry used to get because you're worried that we're all gonna spoil the end of King

Garry Sort of screaming at us. Can't remember how many NDAs ended up selling that one. Yeah, we shot seven different endings. Yeah. Yeah, obviously there's one that where Terry runs off with John the Butcher. Yeah. There's a one that where me and you kiss, which, you know, thank you for being such a good sport. Why did you, by the way, I thought that was the ending and why did we redo that like 12, 13 times? Just because your performance isn't convincing Right and also what we shot it We thought it looked great and then we we did make the decision that it was more realistic if you were only just wearing a jockstrap

By the way, I googled it after we did that and apparently you don't have to use tongues like you said. You could just pretend. Have you ever had to do a big on-screen kiss? I've had to do a couple, yeah. I find it very nerve-racking. Yeah. There's some people that, I mean, I think we've talked about this before, but there's some people who lose partners, don't really know what I'm doing.

But I have ones where I have to really check with the other person this way of an intimacy coordinator, what you don't want to do is discover that you've read the scene is a bit more passionate than your co-star has, and then suddenly you'll go in and fucking all guns blazing. And they think it's just like a pack. Yeah. I mean, that's the, that's the big worry. Do you know what I mean?

Plus there's, you know, plus it's like there's like, how do you get your breath fresh? I know that sounds like easy and I'm talking to one of the scabbiest breaths in the industry. By the way, I need to shout out that this has become a thing that quite a lot of people message me this weekend when I was working. was working with first of a real bit of live presenting I got quite a lot of people message me saying, Oh, hope your breath's okay. Let's take a little detail from what we're talking about because I would love to talk about this actually. Because it's something that you didn't really and this is how I know that you're worried about something is that you're quite sheepish about it

And then I who I'd consider to be one of your best friends Have to find out about it from an Instagram post that you're now one of the disowned Correspondents for the boxing. Well, can I say number one? It was a very late call that the whole thing got made official That I would be it was it was on the cars. So what happened you? Talking about but it has also been it's been talked about before so it was quite yeah, it was late It was a late. I was a late edition. I mean literally today they that the day off it was confirmed Okay, so tell me through what the actual what your duties were on the day. Well, what you would did they do like a Like a big sort of announcement Tom's been added to the lineup sort of no

I know how there's a very cool announcement for the rest of the broadcast team. Mine was just me sitting in my bedroom just sort of saying I'm going to be a part of it. I actually did a cooler one, but that didn't, that there wasn't enough information. They'd asked me to say a certain amount of things. I got quite flustered and in the end I just had to sit down and do a bit more of a monotone one. Okay. But that was my duties were to speak to people, get fight predictions, just have a little bit of a... To be fair, it was a lot more hard work.

There was a lot of running around, like, you know, rumors would... Someone would go, oh, so-and-so's in this bar, quick, we're going to have to run and speak to them. And we'd run to that bar and that person wouldn't be there. So it was quite a... Yeah, it was sort of... I felt very Annika Rice just sprinting around the box in and I mean It was that an amazing event to be a shout out Rob Beckett by the way. Well Beckett was very good with his time He did about seven interviews Because we were really struggling to get you know, anyone else sort of take part

Can I say there was a few people who actually just quite rude? sort of take part. Can I say there was a few people who were actually just quite rude. Do you want to give names and then we could beat them out? I'll give names. Firstly, which was heartbreaking because he's literally one of my favorite fighters and favorite sportsman ever, Princeton's Imaamed was absolutely... I'd go to first five. Well number one, like a few years ago I bumped he was staying at a hotel I was staying at. I was on holiday with Catherine. He was staying at the same hotel.

That was coincidence, was it? No, I wasn't stalking him. But he was really, really good with his time. I chatted quite a lot to him. He was very affable and very lovely. Probably too much, he was probably too welcoming. I probably sort of lingered around a little too much. But anyway, he was, yeah.

I don't think that's the fault of him being welcoming. You can always make it You know, you always say thank you very much for your time and leave Yeah, so what I would say to those just before you get into this story I think we know the reason that he behaved like this on the night now But to be quite no, I mean, yeah Let me just so so he was there a week we were there for the whole week and when I say that I'd see him At breakfast and say hello, we talked about boxing. We talked about whatever football, but I, you know, I'd say enough that anyway,

he, um, so they said, let's get this out in the open on more than one occasion. You described him to me as a friend. Anyway, but anyway, go on. He, uh, he was going down to red carpet. Someone said, Oh, it's Prince Azim's next. I actually got quite excited because he's very charismatic. He's amazing to talk to. I had some amazing conversations.

You thought you were having a rapport. I imagine you turned to the production team and you went, Oh, okay, right boys, relax. Because, uh, let me tell you this, a little bit of a relationship with this fella. So, uh, get rolling. Cause I think this could be some gold. You know the fucking thing, and I adore you, right? I wish to God that that wasn't true. That is literally, for Batem, is pretty much

exactly what happened. I'd had like a couple of interviews, they'd been quite tough going, they hadn't really, people sort of were just, the boxing crowd can sometimes anyway I thought I was princess aim. I've got a bit. Yeah exactly. I've got a bit of a report. This will be a laugh Yeah, so on camera he comes up. He's with his sons and some other sort of people and he said oh, yeah You're a jumpy. Hello, mate. How are you? And he said he looked at me in a bit of a funny way

I don't know. Oh good, and they said I'm doing it but I want my you know these my guys my friends with you know these my sons my people with me I said yeah of course we'll jump in and the director goes rolling action and I go obviously I know this guy from holiday a few years back Oh god Tom! And he looked at me and it, this is a moment where I know that I'm David Brent. He looked at me and he paused and he held and he looked at me and he went, I'm gonna be honest, mate.

I don't remember you, bruv. Yeah. And everyone laughed. Like the crew laughed, everyone he was with laughed, everyone apart from me and Prince Azim, because I don't think- Why would you put yourself in that position? Because I'm a fucking idiot.

Like that, I don't... It's so dumb. First of all, even to go to that as a shared memory. To then to decide to broach it first on camera. It's so mad. Yeah, but in my head it would be organic and he'd go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're the guy with all the croissants or something like that, right? You know, that didn't happen.

So I then went, oh, you know, you remember? And I sort of went to say, and he went, brother, I don't remember you. And then one of his other people laughed with him, like laughing to the point they were doubled up. And I said, anyway, tonight's fight, who do you think's got it? And he was sort of staring at me and then he went,

ask, if we're gonna do it, you have to ask everyone. And there's like sort of 10 of these people and now I'm like, oh, this is like. This is so shit, this is so shit. And then I asked him finally. So where'd you go, where'd you go? Okay, okay, so now I see that's your prediction. Random number one, what do you think?

No, you know, the trouble is, I overcompensate. This is why you'd be so much better at this stuff than I am. I overcompensate by being overly nice. I'm like, here we go. You do make you all right. Who do you have to do that? You have to do that. You have to do that. Like my soul was dying. And he was still saying then he whispered to someone and they all laugh. And then anyway, him at the end. Your soul couldn't have been dying because you already sold it to go on design. And finally I asked him and he

just laughed and he just went he's I've got no idea man it's boxing anything could happen and then he went brrraa and he just walked off all and they all laughed as they walked off. It was just, yeah. So that was the first. Oh, do you know the problem is, is that I know I've given you a bit of a hard time there, but the truth is, but I didn't have the fact that you're after an interview, you are putting yourself in a vulnerable position. that but that but that being embarrassing Tom it's not on you mate I mean that little wrong. I think the holiday thing was a horrendous error of judgment Yeah, it was an awful, but also I like I was saying this actually let me just say that I It dawns on me and I said this on this podcast and I actually afterwards. Oh, look, I'm not good

I saw Beckett afterwards. I told Beckett a story look very was like look I'm not good I saw Beckett afterwards I told Beckett the story look very much like you Beckett laugh, but then Beckett went that's a thing He's done there and I'm yeah, but Beckett is also like you a lot more experienced at that's I'm not that you know I just assumed if you're nice and you had a bit of a laugh with someone they never laughed back But if you're affable enough, then that's a stupid. That's naive to think that way. Do you know what I mean? It's not naive, Tom. It's not naive, okay. Look, I was talking the first thing about the holiday thing.

It's not naive for your default position to be this person might be civil. I think in the last three weeks- No, it's on him. It's on him. No, no, no. But it's not just him. And by the way, I would need to say that, yeah, it was a bit of a prick move, but I actually genuinely don't.

I think there was an element of it becoming like that because I then played up to a certain thing. And I don't think originally he was going on going to be a prickier. Do you know what I mean? I think he genuinely was showing off. Yeah, yeah. But but it's also Prince Aziz. I mean, we know what? Yeah, that's his that's his shtick. But my point being is is like, you think, oh, actually, maybe I've got this slightly wrong. Like, actually being like, being, yeah, I had an incident, I was just showing you there, you know, a stand-up gig, where you're

like, you know, you think that old adage of people taking kindness as a weakness, you do start, you get to a place Sometimes you go actually maybe like this is maybe I should have to I could and by the way Well, yeah, I mean, you know me very very well. I've got it I could there's things going in my head as Nazeem Hemmings talking. I'm like I could fucking come back at you here I'm not fucking but I chose I choose not to because I think that's not very nice I mean, but I don't know the guy and also, you know, I don't want to get a clump off him.

So yeah, that was the first one. It's a very like, have you ever done anything like that where you're just asking people for opinion? Like, you know, we know Kuggen Kass, yes. It's his job, Kuggen does that all the time. Yeah, I've been on the other side of it where Kugin's asked me, but I mean like I haven't been in a position where I've had to be like by the red carpet or whatever asking people questions. No, it's a difficult job I feel sorry for anybody that has to do that because you are

You are opening yourself up to I say I feel sorry you get you know There's lots of great things about the job, but you know, you're getting paid I mean, I don't know how much you got paid, but like you're getting paid to talk to people that you respect. But at the same time, as soon as you are like, you're putting yourself in a vulnerable position, you're on the bed, you're putting in an ass and then you're opening yourself up to somebody to just go, just fuck off, mate. So that is a difficult thing to put yourself in. And

you know, it's, I don't like, I don't like it hearing it as a mate, because I think to myself, this is Tom Davis, great comic actor, great comedian, like really well respected and on top and more importantly than all of that lovely person. And now, for instance, see my head is not is like mugging him off. I don't like it. But also, could I just say, like, nearly everyone else that I talked to was, you know, aside one other person who I won't actually name

because I actually think that would be a bit disingenuous. But for the most part, everyone was very nice. Everyone up for chatting about boxing. You have some great chats. You had a good laugh with people. But, you know, Gordon Ramsay, for example, we had to record his interview four times because the camera guy was getting it wrong constantly.

What was Gordon Ramsay's response to having to do it four times? He was lovely. What a guy. What a guy. Gordon Ramsay, everything you want, he was so... Charismatic, chatty about boxing, fits just very, very sweet, very nice, very just a decent guy. I'd say that like, nearly aside that situation. And also in a way with Prince Azim, that is Prince Azim Ahmed, that is him, right? He's a cocky guy. He's

the fucking, there was a part, yeah, like, I go, would I have wanted him to be a bit nicer and a bit, yeah, but also, like, I open myself up to a fucking right hook, and I had to take it like a man. Do you know what I mean? I should, as you said, yeah. No, you're a hero, no, I get it, you're a hero. Listen, are you? I'm a fucking, no, no, no, I'm a helmet.

That's the situation. You wanted to go to the fight, you wanted a bit of wedge, and they said, look, can you take this mic and go around the red carpet like a beg, and then we'll hook you up. And you agreed to do that. And they said, and you said, look, can you take this mic and go around the red carpet like a bag and then we'll hook you up. And you agreed to do that. And they says, and you said, Oh, are you going to do an announcing and they go, can you just do a piece of camera on

your, on your phone? So it looks like you're sort of, you're not actually officially part of the lineup and you went, yeah. Cause if we're going to be really, really honest, we're still not quite sure if we're going to use you. It was, yeah. Yeah. I'd say it was yeah, it was fun. I've taken the opportunity to sort of be a prick. But the truth is, I think it's good, man. It's a good look for you. You know, like you're you're into your boxing. It's not inauthentic.

And I will say it was a it was a that was a fucking what a fight what a night. Like you're watching history in Alexander Yusik. He's like incredible. Like literally what a moment. Just so I know did you call him Alexander the whole night? I was just going by mispronouncing his surname for most of it. It was a fun thing, a very fun thing to be a part of. I will say that. No Frills delivers. Get groceries delivered to your door from No Frills with PC Express. Shop online and get $15 in PC Optimum Points on your first five orders. Shop now at nofrills.ca.

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Refreshingly simple. Here's my question though, it's not a boxing podcast, but Alexander is sick. He's going to go down as one of the all-time greats? I think arguably, yeah, I mean, maybe, maybe the greatest. Like what he's done in, you know, the fights he's had, it's just phenomenal. It's like, and on top of that, I mean, it might, if this is part of a media plan, I'll be absolutely amazed. But every time I see him interviewed, I just find him so charming.

Can I just say, when you see him up close, he's just something else. He's like, so, when he was doing his ring walk and you're watching him come into the ring, he looks incredible. Like, you know, he just looks a million dollars. Yeah. Also, by the way, I stood next to Jake Paul for a bit. That's a guy. Oh, I didn't speak to him.

I stood next to him. But this is a problem, is it? Your proximity to design means that you think that's an anecdote you know. No but he's I'm perplexed by his his rise if he fights AJ that's fucking nuts bruv. AJ shouldn't do it. I mean, Anthony Joshua should not fight Jake Paul. This is mad. It's mad. Yeah, but it sounds like it's happening. It's mad. It is mad.

Sorry. It is, listen, I don't have any skin in the game here. It is embarrassing if Anthony Joshua fights Jake Paul. It is embarrassing, man. I didn't even think Tommy Fury should have fought influences now and the Joshua Anthony Joshua, I always feel so sorry Tommy Fury's really gone for the mix. I have you see his new documentary that's coming out No They ask you to plug stuff on the podcast as well now they asking you to plug stuff on the podcast as well now?

Tommy Furious text me and plug his fucking BBC three. fly the wall show. I do feel for him though that is bright. It must be hard. I mean, your brothers essentially got like so charismatic. He's got all the fucking he's incredible boxer. And then yeah, he's sort of well, he's very handsome. He hasn't got he's the sort of person I think I lost my first 10 girlfriends to guys like Tommy fury. Hmm. I mean, it's all that taken away from that is that you had 10 girlfriends.

I can't quite believe this whole time for the last, however long I thought I'd been talking to somebody who's on a level now found out that you've had 10 girlfriends. Yeah. But from the age of fucking now I suddenly feel like I'm the fucking beta on this podcast. Mate, today you're not. Jesus Christ. Today you enjoy your alpha status today.

You've got the alpha status on today's podcast. I want to be serious with you because I feel a bit guilty that I've been a prick. I'm just doing it for shits and giggles, but I actually think it's really good, man, that you're doing that. And I feel bad for you that Prince of Zim did that because it's out of order. But I think it's good. It's wicked, man. It's like, you're always like bigging me up about doing the hip hop stuff and doing the

rap album. This is your hip hop. Can I just be really, really transparent here? And you're doing a nice thing, right? You talking about hip hop is incredible. You have podcasts, you're in fucking informative. What I've done, right is number one, I've shown myself to be, you know, the bottom of the right. It was interesting. I was like, you know, I was watching other people do it, who I was like, I'm fucking know, they're mustering it. No, don't get me wrong, this isn't me going,

oh, poor man, I'll try things, and if I get it right, I get it right. If you can't compare your podcast and your radio show when you go into an in-depth chat and chat to someone and you've had incredible people from 50 Cent to LL Cool J, some of the biggest names in the game, well, you're amazing at talk. To me, turning around to Gordon Ramsay and go, hello mate, who do you think is going to win the fight tonight? No, no, no, but I think you're doing yourself a disservice because like you're saying, you know,

okay, I'll tell you this, this is not me having a go at this person, right, because I get where they're coming from, but I've had conversations like you've had with Princeton C moment that happens to me all the time on for the love of hip hop. Like the, like, you know, like what you're hearing on the radio is like the final interview. You don't, I get mugged off by rappers all the time. They don't give a shit mate all the time. Like some of them are really nice, but some of them are like, so well, where the

fuck is this? What's his full? I like fucking Denzel Curry who I love love, walked into the room. I went to his, where he was doing a concert and he walked in and he said to his PR in front of me, how many of these have I got to do? I'm opposite him. And then he sits down and goes, let's get on with it then. And then I've got Louis Pay Fiasco, who I love. I've interviewed him twice on For the Love of It, but he got on the zoom and he goes, when's this go out? And I go, guys, that next week and goes, I'm on my London shows tomorrow. And I go, well, I said, the show's not till next week. He goes, okay, well, I guess I'll do it. Just,

let's just do it then, shall we? And then I'm like, Oh, Lupe, I love you. Then I'm like, I'm doing what you did at the, so like, it's the same. It's like, that's what I'm saying. That's why I empathize with this Prince of sing thing. Cause like you go into, I'll go to it as a comedian, right? Going, I mean, what about fucking when Nas is fucking management treating me like a fucking absolutely like it happens. Like, because the, the problem is, is like you go into this other thing and they don't give a shit, like, you know, and why should they, but they don't give a shit. There's just some guy has come up to them and they don't give a shit like, you know, and why should they? But they didn't give a shit.

Like there's just some guy has come up to them and they don't know. And he's going, um, you know, like they don't even know if you're official. Do you know for all they know, you're some little prick that's trying to, well, I mean, design put a badge on me and gave me a microphone. It's easy to, it's easy to get a design badge. I'm imagining they let you keep one for being there on the day, did they? No, no, no. There was a lot of talk as well about this amazing jacket that Rob Beckett was gifted.

Rob Beckett got an undisputed jacket from Dazon as a guest. It was a beautiful jacket. He did those videos with Dubois, didn't he? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know we're both kind of moving into that world now aren't you? What a deserve, what boxing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's probably more high brow, he's doing some really fucking high-end VTs, I'm scrambling around on the red carpet looking, yeah. No, I'm not having this. You did great work, man. I mean look, I didn't watch any of it because I couldn't bring myself to watch a friend be humiliated like that. Just while I'm left with this little shred of dignity, sort of, just holding on to that.

What was your week like, my friend? What have you been up to? Well I've spent the week filming the weakest link. So I was in Glasgow and every year I got up to Glasgow for like a week or whatever just over a week and then we film up and do all the weakest link episodes and I mean it's such a mad, like it's mad because there's so many guests on it. The team up in Glasgow are incredible. It's the first time I've done a run on the weakest link where I haven't drunk at all. Right. So when you do it, like you get, obviously you do a couple of dinners with the team and stuff like that.

And then, you know, you, you, you're, you're sort of pretty much doing like, maybe there's three or four dinners. And then at the end of the, at the end of the series, you have a rat party. Yeah. And I didn't drink at the rat party. I had to fly back at seven o'clock this morning and, um, my, the difference in waking up this morning, remembering what's happened at the rat party. I don't feel hungover.

I actually feel hydrated because I was just drinking non-alcoholic beverages the whole night. Yeah. Do you mean like, Oh my God, man. Yeah. It felt good. I mean, listen, I don't want to, I'm not judging anybody that drinks, but for me personally, you know, last year I woke up, I was pretty sure that I'd offended

someone on production where I'd like, where I'd got so drunk and said something to them, then I've like stayed stayed and then the other thing is the thing that you forget is I think when you're the host of something like that you know what this like and then you talk to a member of production even though I consider I consider to be two people talking they think I'm talking to the host now and then you're being bored like in my head of it you could be as boring as you want and they're sitting there going how do I extricate myself in this conversation? It's like the headmaster coming up and talking to you.

Do you know what I mean? And you're thinking, I've actually, I've actually wanted to celebrate with my friends who I've actually worked with this week. And we were just talking about how we've managed to avoid you for the duration of the series, now you've managed to corner me in the bar. I'll just say that will be like the moment of any, that will be the master moment for anyone just to get the chance Have a chat with you that one-on-one. No, but what I'm saying is it's like when you're drunk

Yeah, and somebody and somebody comes up to you You see them they're excited for about 45 seconds and then they discover how the conversation is gonna be and that is gonna be You spitting in their mouths as you tell them a series of anecdotes about what you've been up to over the last few months. And I didn't do that this time. I feel great about it. You were never that, as a drunk, I always felt as a drunk you regressed a little bit. You weren't an aggressively chatting sort of thing. No, but that's when I, it's two types of drunk for me. Either I'm conscious enough to go, I need to be quiet here because I'm going to make a dick of myself, or I forget to make that decision. And then all of a sudden I'm doing the fucking, I'm doing karaoke thong song on top of the bar in front of the entire

team. Do you know what I mean? So I've got to be, anyway, I didn't do that this time. So I was very pleased with myself. What, what the main talk was over and above weakest link though, most of the debates in production were all about this Coldplay couple. Oh yeah. Now I'm, well, you and I have not spoken about this, but I can't imagine anybody listening doesn't know what happened, but basically they're doing the camera around the thing. Yeah. And then this couple, they focus on this couple and it turns out they're both

married to not each other. And they sort of said, I think if they'd have had the wherewithal to just stay hugging, right. Yeah. And then the camera moved on. None of us would know that that happened now, right. Because it would have been such a non-event, but their reaction was so, it was so blatant, wasn't it? And then everyone around them was like laughing their tits off because they're obviously like, oh my God, their affair has

been discovered. It was bad. When you first saw them, they look so happy and in love. Do you know what I mean? He, by the way, completely melts and she's left to take the fucking brunt, right? Well, I've saw some body language analysts or whatever and they feel like he... Obviously, you're watching, what, seven seconds of footage or something like that. I don't know how long the clip is. So there is a bit of over analysis, do you know what I mean? But some people are going, he's basically throwing her under the bus there,

do you know what I mean? But like a lot of some people going he's basically friend under the bus there Do you mean and you like the ducks ducks behind it and then the fucking Philadelphia the Phillies mascots did a piss take of it I mean, hey, someone's done one of me and you There's an AI one someone's done of me and you from here, but I wouldn't send it to me Well, the idea that I'd be ashamed to be caught with an embrace with an embrace with you is absolutely ridiculous So they're there with everyone. They're there with people from work, right? Yeah. So I guess everybody, I mean, look, I've not read loads about it, but I'm guessing

that everyone at work knows that that's happening. I don't know. I just think what about the big company barbecue when his wife was there and her husband was there and everyone just played along with it. Yeah. That's what I mean. If he's a CEO, he's a CEO, right? Or like whatever, he's pretty high up.

Well, he's not CEO now. He's had to leave, hasn't he? He's lost his job. No, he has had to. But what's the reason for leaving? Well, yeah, he's, yeah. I think- No, I mean, like, I don't get him wrong. I'm not saying I agree with what I- Isn't it true that Chris Martin know him or something? I don't know about that. That's the first I've ever heard of that. Yeah. Here's my question to you.

Yeah. Do you have any sympathy for them? No, not really. I think that it's not, I feel so sorry for the fucking wife and his kids. I feel sorry for her husband. I think that that's a shitty way to find out that sort of things happened for his wife. He's gone, Oh, you know, I have to see Coldplay tonight. And He's going, Oh, you have to see Coldplay tonight. And she's like, Oh, I actually quite like Coldplay.

Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't get your ticket. Well, the problem is it's going to be all the work and you know, what I guess, and I don't want you to have a bad time. How about, look, I've booked tickets to see Coldplay on another night. Why don't we make that our night to see Coldplay and I'll just do this work one. I won't really enjoy it.

Yeah. I'll just go with work one I won't really enjoy it. Yeah, I'll just go. We'll go next week and now a week later she's basically down a husband and a ticket to Coldplay. You know what she should have done is basically had, she should have been able to go to Coldplay and replicate that with someone else, but like more passionately. That is a very like binary way of looking at it. Oh yeah, do you, will you fucking find some geyser and you go do it. What are you talking about?

Well, you take Trevor from your work to Coldplay tonight and then you have a grope up with Trevor. I mean, look, all I would say is first of all, it's like- Do you feel sorry for them? I don't feel sorry for them necessarily, but I do think it's more nuanced than they're the scum of the earth. Do you know what I mean? First of all, we don't-

By the way, can I just say, I don't think they're the scum of the earth. I think they're just a bit of dicey behavior. I wouldn't say that. Yeah, but first of all, there's a limit to how much it's like, that thing is being discussed worldwide now. It's been mean to within each of his eyeballs. All I can keep thinking is them just looking to each other and go, oh, the only thing that could make this worse is I got that fucking interviewer from Desun come up and ask us some stupid questions.

But like, so there's that. Hello, mate. Have you enjoyed the concert? I'm the fucking guy from the video, you fucking idiot. Oh, sorry, sorry. And then also I do feel sorry for their families because, you know, one of the things I was saying to when we were talking about it at work was, you know, you don't know what the background to their relationships are, but even so those those sort of things you should have the right to put those things to play

out in private. But if they were planning on keeping this a secret and they've got to found out then that's probably a positive thing. She was his PA though right or his secretary? I don't think she's his secretary. I thought they were like on she was not as high up him, but she was still quite high up in the company was my impression. You know the worst bit is actually,

probably one of the worst people in it is the woman that she goes to who really starts laughing like it's funny. Yeah, the woman absolutely cracking up. Yeah. There was a rumor that it was a set up. Yeah, but that's what I thought Chris Martin had set them up.

Like Chris Martin sort of like, he's basically like catfish, like a neve out of catfish. He's just fucking. I'm just gonna look this up. The kiss cam moment. During the concert, Cardplay frontman Chris Martin was engaged with the audience using a fan cam.

Camera landed and man and woman, the moment they realized they were on the big screen, their demeanor changed. They become a viral sensation. Internet users quickly identified the individuals as Andy Byron, the CEO of Astronomer, and Kristin Cabot, his company's head of HR, chief people officer.

Reports emerged that Byron's wife had removed Byron from her Facebook name after the video went viral. Astronomers stated they were launching a formal HR investigation. I mean, she's the head of HR. Just a few days after the incident, Andy Byron had resigned as CEO. And the statement emphasized that our leaders are expected to set the standard of both conduct and accountability, and that standard was not met.

So there you go. It's not said much after that. But I mean, look, obviously, the first reaction is it's funny, and they've got caught out, and it's horrible for their partners, and it's good that they got caught. There's all that. But what I'm saying is, is like, you just don't know. I don't know. There's part of me that thinks for all of the people involved, it's the most, I mean,

it's the fucking most public way. I mean, if they've got kids and shit, like your parents in a fucking meme, do you know what I mean? Like for being with someone else, like it's fucking horrible. Also, wasn't it like when it was in the Simpsons as well? They like did a- I think that might've been done retrospectively, I don't think, I think that's one of those. I think it might've been, they generated the image after us

and then- AI is like so fucking like, cause you've seen the AI videos that sort of show what happened after. Yeah. Yeah, but it's so so fucking like, cause you've seen the AI videos that sort of show what happened after. Yeah. Yeah. But, but it's so like fucking like, you know, you just look at it. In a relatively short time, AI has gone from being like, you can see it straight away to now I have to watch it three or four times before I can actually figure it out. Yeah. It's fucking insane.

And that's it. That's in quite a short time. So look, I reckon you and I, it's going to be a point where to do this in other episodes, podcasts, we go tell three stories that you've already started before, um, sort of moan about your lot in life, despite the fact you're doing all right and talk about how ugly you are saying, oh, also and PS can one of the, can one of the guys sound be utterly shit? And that's it. You've got yourself infinite wolf and owls. The White Chocolate Macadamia Cream Cold Brew from Starbucks is made just the way you like it. Handcrafted cold foam topped with toasted cookie crumble. It's a sweet summer twist on iced coffee.

Your cold brew is ready at Starbucks. What do you think is the next... I was reading a thing, but I reckon by 2037 that will be will be slaves to AI between slaves to AI. AI will just run everything. It will just be the boss. It will just jump me. What does that mean though? What does that mean? Funnily I mean there's like I don't know that because apparently people are using it so much now. Like even the other night I was working and someone was just AI and stuff like for work like going through stuff you're like shit this is like so that stops you thinking for yourself well look it's gonna get better and better

I'm gonna tell you this now podcast you can just generate a podcast I've already seen clips of podcasts that don't exist generated by AI and this is like yeah and like we've like just made it looks legit not not completely legit You can tell it's not not but this is a difference, right? So I think when it comes to this like but surely if you find out something's computerized as a human being That I certainly find it the actual engagement as a human use you don't feel quite as much No, but then like it depends how ethical you want to be about it. I mean it's not even ethical I just think it's just like, if you, cause otherwise everything just becomes cartoons, right?

It's like. No, no, no, no, but it doesn't have to be cartoons. What I'm saying to you is like, there could be a podcast called like the Ox and Cat, right? And then it's just, suddenly you're introduced to these two people who've decided to do a podcast and you see the episodes and at no point do they declare

it's AI. I'm saying that that's a possibility. And so then you're invested in two people. If they don't find out they don't exist, right? So you might not. That's what I'm saying to you. You might not find out. But at some point, you're going to go, all right, they're not fucking people. They're not real. It's the same thing as I can sit and watch an animation like Toy Story yeah it can give me a feeling and all that but at the end of it like it's a different thing from watching that from watching something actually really like a biop do you know what I mean? A what? A biop like a biop like you know like a

like a biopic a real story someone's do you know what I's jumping the story of someone's life. Oh shit, that actually happened. Fuck, john mean, looking at the end of it like what's the what I watched it a couple months ago, the film about the the guy who lives just outside of concentration camp fucking is, or is one of the most harrowing films you ever watch. It I don't know. It's fucking amazing. One of the Oscars for the best sound. But my point is, you sit and watch that, I went to watch that in cinema.

It stayed with me for about two weeks and then I forgot the name of it. But I swear my memory's going. I'm worried, a bit worried about that. Anyway, but that's because the actual thought of what had happened, you know, and how the performance was and everything, every part of that. But yeah, the end of Toy Story three, whatever you sort of get, they're all going to go down the fucking into the fire. They don't. But as soon as that's over, you stop thinking about it because they're not real. They're cartoon characters. It's done.

If yes, a great movie. But my point is, if I was to hear- It's a terrible example. Yeah, no, but- It is a great movie. But my point being is if I was to hear- It's a terrible example. Yeah, no, but- It is a terrible example. Okay, all right, let's go to your Marvel, right? Any made-up character, right? You watch a Marvel movie and it's end game, whatever. At the end of it, they're all fucking people

playing characters. It's not real, yeah, it can be a bit sad, it can be a bit tragic, or it can be highly elated by that moment. But you go, oh, they're just fucking people playing characters. It's not real. Yeah, it can be a bit sad It can be a bit tragic. We could be fucking be highly elated by that moment, but you go Oh, they're just fucking characters then they're brilliantly put play. They're amazingly well acted But actually sort of the nuance of saying it's a real story for a real person. That's that stays with you longer. I think Okay, I take your point But the point I'm trying to make is first first of all, you're commenting on the level at which that is now.

First of all, you're talking about a different thing. What I'm saying to you is, it is feasible that the ethics of AI will dissolve to such a point as that a podcast will come out and nobody knows these people aren't real. That's possible. And like what I'm saying is somebody, if you're listening to this podcast right now, the question I'd ask you is how certain are you that what you're listening to now is real, how definite are you that this is two people actually talking to each other? Are you certain of that? Because that's the point I'm trying to make, right?

Is that you that's going to get to a point where the inputs can become so sophisticated that you could generate what we're doing now for this hour. You could generate that. And there wouldn't be a discernible difference. And then to take your other point about made up characters, right? I'm going to use a very like sort of a well-trodden example, but up the first 10 minutes of up where you see the two of them get together

They grow all together then she gets ill pass the way then he's on his own See the two armchairs and then he's on his own in the armchair the other armchairs empty. They are to imagine characters But the observation that is made on you spending your life with your significant other is so beautiful and So well observed and so well observed and so well expressed that it does stay with you. You know, you look across at your partner or you think about somebody you split up with or you think about, you know, the relationship you might have in the future and it makes you reflect in a human way.

But it does, the reason for that Tom is that humans made up and humans made Toy Story, right? Yeah, so the question is can AI without human input Can it create something that resonates on a human level and that is you know, that's something I don't know I actually already I'm out of my depth in terms of my level of understanding of it But you know, I mean it's's like, I do, I do. This is a time when I'm a real saver, like with guests, like I'm so intrigued into AI. I'm like fascinated by it as a, I don't know much about it.

I don't know when, when you really hear about people saying, oh, it could take over the world. You're like, well, how do you mean? Like in a sense, but then when you, one of the things that stuck with me is like the power of it and what it takes with, you know, what is it like a teaspoon every time you type something in? Fifteenth of a teaspoon of water every time you put a question in. Yeah. So for example, the other day, I can't remember what I was asking about.

I think I was asking about a fitness routine, whatever. Because I actually think it's quite good if you want to get a little workout. Well, did you put in something like, what is a good caption for a picture of my physique from a few years ago? This inspiration to people. You know what? I was like, I've managed to swerve this bullet. Can I just say, Catherine sent me this video and I will show you this video. I'm not sending you this video because I don't want it to go any further than

I love you. Do you not trust me, I don't trust me with this video This video is me like I'm drunk in this video away a hundred round about 150 kilograms Catherine is winding me up taking a piss because I'm so drunk. She's filming me. I try to be oh my god I'm getting into this but I'm fucking gonna do it Anyway, I tried to be quite sexy towards Catherine and tried to be sort of like I'm sort of coming on to her to which she takes a mick out of me as Katherine would. I then progressed to walk over to a mirror and say, do you think I'm putting on weight? Jesus.

I clearly am. And within that this is a this is a 22 second video So it's your one. I have a said you're an ass listen tell me this cut You're first having sex with Princeton see my meds best, mate That would be better than then so I I down some water she's makes a joke about me being drunk I said you need to relax ever fucking is quite a father. I would drink I don't think I'm even that drunk and she's taking the mick out of me I then sort of tried to sort of try to be quite alluring and sexy which is fucking just that I look disgusting yeah and then make an observation where my gut is out and so do you think I've put on weight and then I

progressed to say right I'm just gonna go toilet and have a big shit. So within seconds, she's filming me going, oh, this is, listen, so I might, we might be able to get on tonight. Oh, good, look how fat I am. I'm gonna go for it. Like that and literally she sent me this video and I sent a message back saying, it genuinely is a miracle you're still here. You're still with me. I would say to you, you can't split up with her, you know that, don't you? Ever. I never would. I adore her. She's my whole world. I know you do, but I'm just saying you can't have. If somebody's got that video, it's worth staying in the relationship to avoid that getting into general circulation.

I'd say. Mate, if she left me, it's all over anyway. I mean, that video can come out. I won't be around. I'm sorry. Keep it light, mate. Fucking hell. That was, it was honestly, I was like, yeah.

So I put the video up as a thing to, the picture up. Also, because I actually didn't think I was in that bad of shape. Like I look now and I've had fucking tests done, like, you know, I'd test done around that time on my liver and my heart and they were both not in great shape, do you know what I mean? But my point being, I didn't actually see myself

at that time as being that unhealthy. I thought I was in the right shape. Well, look, I'm gonna tell you this though, bro. I mean, I know you're embarrassed about the video, but I saw the photo, I thought you looked fine. You look fine. You look great now, you look great then. I know what you're saying. And there's a part of me that I've been quite derogatory about myself and other people could take offense. The worst thing of that is the fact that the amount of

visceral fat and the health worries, even now, I'm still suffering repercussions of that, but it's like the amount of fucking X, like the shit I was putting into my body and the fact that that was just sitting on my stomach, my heart, my liver, like, you know, I had to like, I was going to the doctor and getting some pretty fucking serious warnings and I didn't adhere to them until 2022.

It's like, yeah. Well, look, thank God you did. Huh? Well, yeah, I'm still here. Anyway, the long and the short of it is we're worried about AI. Yeah. Yeah. You know, we could get to a point where like, if one of us was to stop doing this

or decided to quit, AI could get to a point where we could continue the podcast without one or the other. I don't think that would work. I think it would just focus in on a very generic way that they say it's being and then maybe just very generic and fucking one. We are generic, aren't we? That's the truth of it. Yeah.

Okay. Would you like to, should we do one email? Let's do a nice email, boy. Let's do one. By the way, Tom. Yeah. Somebody sent an email saying they'd love you to choose the end song. Okay.

I'm going to try my hardest not to say that as an insult about my choices, but that's not your problem. This is from the sheepdog. Okay. Uh, do you will for now, my friend, let's call him Mr. Rox has recently started his own podcast. I'll put the link in the email in case you don't want to, you want to listen or steal content, but no worries if you don't want to listen to it, as I understand you're both busy men, why the difficulties he's been facing is dealing with the

critics as there's been a string of damning reviews. I understand words such as nonsensical and phrases like a waste of everyone's time have been used. This is real. I don't think this is real, but come on. I've tried to encourage him by saying that not being appreciated in your time as a mark of a true artist and other motivational stuff, but I fear he's taking it to heart.

I believe he may be only half listened to the positive messages and focusing purely on the negative. It culminated with him saying he may throw the towel in the other day by talking to them by saying, I was looking forward to listening to a few podcasts on my walking holiday. As a sad note, I've been saving up Wolf and Owl episodes, so I must have enough to listen to one a day while walking. He's rather understandably sensitive to the opinions of these critics. I wonder if there's advice he could give. For context, the critics are his wife and dad. Okay, first of all, JT, can you blank out the name of the podcast because I think it's like, you know, I don't know how happy

this guy's going to be about his podcast being slated like this, but do you have any advice Tom? And let's not get into like a navel gazing wallow about the criticism we get for this one because... Oh yeah, I have to say that I think in the world of podcasts now and I think in just life in general you know not to go back into the design gate but you are gonna find yourself as soon as you put anything out there you have to make a kind of deal when you have to make it kind of make it okay with yourself that not everyone's going to like it. That is just what it is. And sadly, the more stuff you do, and any acclaim that might come your way will be equally

matched with people who don't like what you're doing. It's very much just a given into the industry in which we're in. And I guess the truth is that if he's finding that difficult, I mean, if it is just pure criticism, and there's no real like, he has no sort of positivity that's coming his way, and there's not sort of more of an equal measure, then probably it's best to sort of maybe just look at what he's doing and what he's saying and see if there's any change. But even that in itself, I guess the truth of any of this is if you're enjoying, if you enjoy it, then that's what, people can choose to listen or not.

But I think when anyone's doing anything creatively, any artist of like whether it's someone's painting something or something's put out, something musically or comedy, if the reason that you do the thing you do, really, if it's if it's true, and it's it's it should come from somewhere inside of you that goes, yeah, that's a that's what I want to make. And that's the thing that I want to do. And any criticism, or any claim, you know, that they kind

of just sort of pales into the insignificance because you're sort of driven by just wanting to do the best you know, they kind of just sort of pales into the insignificance because you're sort of driven by just wanting to do the best, you know, put out the best version of the thing that you think is good. So I guess if you want people to tell you how amazing you are and how incredible you are, I don't think that I don't think this is the right way. I think you're never going to get that. You're always going to be met with, you know, you're Prince Nizim's or Gordon Ramsay's. It's the same coin.

We flip it off and catch it, baby. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Wamski. I'm going to tell you this. This is my advice to your friend. Your business is creating the podcast.

What's none of your business is what people think about. That is none of your concern. It's none of your business is what people think of it. That is none of your concern, none of your business. Watching positive commentary is as damaging as negative commentary. Your job is to create what you want to create and you put it out there and what people think of it, that's not on you. You're a creator. And whenever Tom and I have ever looked at reviews of our podcasts, that is a creator. And, you know, whenever Tom and I have ever looked at reviews of our podcasts, that is a mistake. And it is a result of, in my opinion, ego, where you're looking

and you're going, I want to see what people think of this. And I want to, you shouldn't do that. That is, you're creating a thing, in my opinion. Going forward, you can talk to other people you do the podcast with or people you respect or other people that do podcasts and say, what could I do better? And you can reflect on it. But that should not be, in my opinion, fed by what people think. When Tom and I stopped talking about how we look because we're worried about what people are saying, we shouldn't have done that. We should just do it whenever we want, is the truth. And

if people like the podcast or they don't, then it's fine. Do you know what I mean? So I think if you really want to do the podcast, do the podcast. If you think the podcast isn't any good and you want to stop doing it, that is also a great outcome. There are no wrong outcomes from this. Do it and don't worry, or don't do it and don't worry. That's my advice to you. Best of luck to you. Now, my job here is done on the podcast. Tom, I'm going to hand over to you to do the closing thoughts and I'm also going to keep it with you because you're going to choose our closing song today. So

Whenever you're ready Tom Okay And by the way, can I just say just before you get into this? I just I do want to take this opportunity to say this it feels like you had a little bit of a hard time Doing a red carpet. It's a great thing. You're doing you're a great person and Don't be hard on yourself. All right? Well, I guess this is my thing. And Rich, respectively, is very much one of those things that you look forward and you look up and you look down and sometimes you look behind you. Fact is the road in which we're all traveling, no one knows where we're really going. We know where we've been. Sometimes we remember each turn and each corner, each traffic like, each time we stopped

and looked into the car next to us and thought, hey, there's Trevor, oh, there's Claire. And then we went on with our journey. Never seen Trevor and now Claire again. I guess the truth is, sometimes we think we're heading to a destination that we've always planned on going because we thought it'll be incredible. Sometimes we set the sights of ambition so high that when we reach them the anti-climax feels kind of deflating. And that's what deflation is. I guess it's a sense of hope that sometimes you reach and the candy floss in which you thought you were gonna eat turns out just to be leaves, grass, all sewn together with mud and it doesn't taste very nice. But still you might have learned something. You might have learned that actually, you know what,

no journey is worthless if you take something from it. No destination is unsacred if you have a little look around and think, well, that's exactly what I thought it would be. Or it's not what I thought it would be at all. Look, learn, listen. There are three L's. Take them all, write them down. And most of all, enjoy them. Thanks, friends. I'm going to play out with, I'm very excited to go and see Oasis. So I'm going to play out with Oasis, excited to go and see Oasis so I'm gonna play out with Oasis Stand By Me great tune. There you go so you wanted one of Tom's choices and you got yourself something pretty edgy a little bit of Oasis there for you don't know if you've heard of them but make sure you do check them out they've got a

big future bright future ahead of them thank you so much for listening. You were so ziggy about not having the song choice. I don't like the song choice, by the way. I, I, I, I'm not a song got choice guy. No, listen, we've given the people what they want. Okay. They want to use his song choice. What we've done Rob, is what we said we wouldn't do.

And you've given a person what they wanted. I think everyone else will go, why the fuck is the guy who feels like he's in a nervous breakdown? It's a great song. It's a great song. It's very timely. And fingers crossed, there's not a video that comes out after the Oasis concert of Tom InSom, passionate embrace of somebody diving behind the balcony when he gets collared by Noel Gallagher's kiss cam. Fingers crossed. Thank you so much for watching the podcast, guys. We love you very much. Take care of yourselves. Thank you so much for watching the podcast guys, we love you very much, take care of yourselves.

Thank you. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. That's wolfalpod.gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you, mainly because we don't have any content ideas. Thank you. How do you know if you're worrying too much? How can you mend a broken heart? Does peeking at school ruin you for life? I'm Susie Ruffall, a stand-up comedian and someone who has always experienced anxiety.

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