Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 38: Wine Gifts & Chat Shows

Episode Date: September 24, 2025

We’re talking… horny house-guests, dish washing techniques, the perils of bringing a bottle of wine to a party, non-alcoholic alternatives at football matches, Rom’s new chat show and Can’t Knock The Hustle documentary, awkward photo shoots and a silk worm in Crawley. Then we answer email questions about the appropriate time to start sharing pictures of a new partner, alternative careers and how Rom and Tom would cope as firefighters. Plus, a very special archive audio recording from when Rom was a school teacher. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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The death bringing his head spinning. Just kidding. Every word in his song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog. Hello! And welcome to the Wolf and our podcast up inside your grill. We did a role play where I was 95. I've had to watch Tom do the same.

But it was real. Yo, yeah. Watching you set that up. You know, before the start of the record of the episode. Painful. Nothing you do is painful, but I would say that... It felt agonising. It felt agonising.

Yeah, I mean, look, we've logged on to the Zoom. It's early Sunday morning, and I'm watching you sort of navigate your way through a laptop for what I've seen like the first time in your life. I've already done, like, a full kitchen clean-up this morning. Mm. Which is like, well, you know, like, you've had people over. I always find it's very strange.

Oh, here we fucking go. Okay, so who was over last night? Oh, just, no, no, no, just friends, very, you know, just, just associates. Just friends, yeah, I'm just a friend. Yeah, you are just a friend, but, like, you don't live around the corner. By the way, look, I need to tread carefully here. It was not my intention to have a lot of, you know, people over. It sort of happened.

And then my point was going to be, when you're not a drinker, and the next day, you had to clean up a party for people who've been drinking a lot. it's a very, I guess it's a little bit like... Well, you're about to say it's a sobering experience, I think, when you're looking for an alternative phrase. Well, no, I was actually going to say, it's more like, you know, like if someone had sex at your house and you have to sort of clean the bed sheets,

you know what I mean, it's sort of... It's a weird analogy that. I'm trying to think of a time when somebody else had sex at my house. People who must have had sex at your house? Don't think so. Well, people just stayed over. Like, you know, amorous in the new stages of love. Well, I know that

Josh Whitton and his wife? We've only occasionally had people around We had a big party last night But I don't think anybody You had a big party last night as well Only for like comedy friends and stuff like that Like, it wasn't late Wow, King Zing is in the house

You don't think anyone to have had sex at your house No, I know people are vomited here They got so drunk And then they sort of admitted the next day That they've been on the day. Well, you know your birth, It was a big sort of jamboree. Did you not think that anyone snuck off into the pool house and had sex?

I didn't have a big jamboree on my birthday. No, no, no, no, you were in use. Yeah, yeah. Somebody vombed that night. But do you think anyone, no one sort of slicked off and sort of did it, did they do? I don't, I hope not. Maybe. You don't know, right?

Yeah, I guess so. I guess it could have happened. But anyway. There had some amorous, horny souls there, didn't you? well you don't know do you didn't no it's got it not to be it didn't deign to turn up

but so how was it last night oh no it was really chill but it was more like coming down and just cans and people had eaten and and you know the thing we used to go we'll just do this in the morning and you sort of get up in the morning and also

our dishwasher is broken so I'm to do a lot of it by hand which is quite I actually quite enjoy I find it's quite sort of if you get into the flow of it all is quite honest. Yeah. If you get a,

if you get a sort of right. What are you using to scrub the plates? Do you use a little green, like you know, the brush thing or if it's rich. I like the brush thing where you can put the washing up liquid in the brush. You've seen them.

They're incredible. No, I've not seen those. I'm not seeing those. But then I get, are you, so hold on, let's just talk through this a little bit,

please. Yeah. So are you, are you rinsing the plates first? You're going to scrape the plates into the bin. By the way, you're a psychopath if you're not do it. You scrape the plates into the bin. Yeah, yeah.

Then you always rinse, give them a little bit of a rinse. So you get a lot of the food debris off. Then you put in the dishwasher. Today and without the dishwasher, my side kicks down. I'm like, he's having Sunday off or she's having Sunday off. It's having Sunday off. Right. Got you're having some world of trouble there, didn't you?

That was fine. Yeah, I did not want to go on with you. That was horrendous. What a mad way to get cancelled talking about a dishwasher. But anyway, go on. So it's just me and my own lot of my lonesome. So, the first steps are the same. Scrape into the plate, rinse off, and then you're using the brush.

Then I'm using the brush. Then you've got the surface area that, yeah, once you start, then you've basically sometimes got to cut loose away from the washing to do some drying because you're running out of room, yeah. Yeah, which is, this is a moment where you know you're really breaking it. I think I don't know if you talked about this, but, you know, when people go out, they'll have a pint of beer, they'll drink the whole pint.

I don't know what it is about cans. I always say when people go around, I always try and give them a glass so they can finish a drink. If you have cans, people never finish a can of beer. I don't think it's that difficult to work out what's happening with cans.

So what's happening is everybody's drinking the same brand most of the time. So they drink, they're chatting, they put the can down, and then five minutes later you look and there's a couple of cans next to each other and you think,

I've got no idea which one's mine. Do you think it's wrong? Or do you think it would be nerdy or niki because you're quite cool, writing someone's name on a can when you gave it to them? It's difficult. Basically, what I know now is that you've set a bear trap for me.

I'm not. You've tried to make me vulnerable by saying you're quite cool, but this is a niki thing to do. And then whatever I do now, my leg will be broken. No, but genuinely, right, listen. All joking aside, I look at it and think, oh, man, honestly,

you know what for some reason I've used my fucking Apple AirBods and this keeps on playing that an old fucking version of this podcast so I'm talking to you but then I've also got me from episode one in my ears as well

it's depressing isn't it because you can see how little this has moved on weirdly talking about and actually there's part of it that you're sort of listening thinking God we were actually better back then so that must be that must be difficult to process so listen what do you think labeling can's bad good or if you get a label maker do you want to know why honestly

think i think you you get a little for all of your people that come around drinking you get a little sheet of stickers little round stickers with their initial on right okay or their initials on and then as you give them a can they stick their initials onto that can so they know that that's their can and then also the sheet is a handy reminder of how much they've to drink. Wow. See, this is what I mean. Yeah, this is what...

That came to me just now in the moment. That's a fucking cool idea. Yeah. I mean, we're both sober at the moment and we're both fucking nerds, but that is... I actually genuinely think that's a cool idea because then you can go, sorry, Lee, Lee, you're seven cans in, mate. Yeah. And I've actually found three of those. It's not for the purpose of cutting people off.

It's just... No, no. Yeah, it's a handy way to keep track. Do you think there's a more... bleak thing than a sober guy who goes down and just goes, oh, Lee had eight cans of lager,

Phil had four, oh, Kieran had seven as well, that's. Do you think that's... I think what's bleaker than that is if you then put that together in an invoice and sort of give that to people just before they leave. We judge that as of King Garron. When you turn up at

someone's house, you sort of, you obviously take a bottle of wine. Yeah. That bottle of wine, that bottle of wine by the way incredibly difficult decision to make incredibly like very difficult because what price level or level of quality do you go out with the wine because if you go because essentially look i don't know how you feel about when you i'm not a wine connoisseur i don't drink and i don't i'm currently you're talking to about it doesn't think he's ever going to drink again right so well i'm i'm on that journey yeah so then you're like do i buy a really cheap

bottle of wine and then not cheap do you know what I mean it's a cursory bottle I'm not I'm not thinking about this for ages which is you know a fault of mine I guess so you go but but if you go too big on it and you don't know how you know you've got analyze how into the wine they are it's very difficult to know what level of wine to go for do you know I mean and also you know sometimes I've done it where we've gone to a lot of trouble and we've we've record conversations we've had with them and gone okay let's get this this is going to be great and then part of you your ego is hoping for some sort of reaction. Like, you know, when Ben Stiller took the plant bulb

round to his in-laws in meet the parents, right? You're sort of hoping for a bit of like, oh, my God, you got us this. Well, usually what happens is if you go in, you be you, you come in with a bottle of wine, you and Lisa. I be me. I guess it's this podcast is an ongoing. I'm Kiefer.

You know, this podcast is an ongoing, every now and again you'll say to be wrong, you should do more acting. And then whenever we're doing a role play, you are Kiefer or something, a fucking Jamaican guy who's lived in London for a few years before moving to Colombia for a bit on a gap here.

Now he's coming. You've got all of this going on. And then my character, my assigned character is me. No, no, but in this specific place, you're turning up, or you could be Lisa. I'll sit with me, thank you.

Okay, right. You and Lisa turn up. I'm Kiefer St. Clair. Right? I'm basically, my kid is in, Theo's college, like, this is like, you know, so you're telling up, I've invited loads of people around, doing okay for myself, I might be getting divorced, I'm not sure. Okay, you're all kidding. Yo, hey, dude, good to see it, man, how are you? Can I just, can I just pause it? Can I just

pause it for a second? I find it's high, I just, just from what Keepers done so far, I find it highly unrealistic that I would be coming to this guy's house. No, but Theo really wants to be This is go. Okay, fine. Theo likes his daughter, actually. Theo likes his daughter. Okay, fine, fine. All right, okay.

Emily St. Clair. So my remit here is to be friendly, but also to not embarrass Theo because I could undermine that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fine. Okay, ready? Let's go again. Okay. And action.

Hey, dude. How you doing? Kufa St. Clair. Hi, it's, uh, hi, I'm Rom. This is Lisa. Oh, for sure, man. man, you're Theo's dad.

Yes, I'm Theo's dad. You're Emily's dad, aren't you? Yeah, yeah, that's my kid. The Emily, yeah. She's a great dancer, bro. Have you seen her move? No, I haven't watched your dancer, your daughter, move. I've not met her, actually.

But Theo said, told us a lot about her. Theo's a good kid, man. A good kid. Thank you, thank you. You should be proud, bro. Yeah, no, thank you. And who's this honey bear? Who's this honey bear you're with?

The honey bear is my wife, Lisa. Then bring it in Lisa. Give me a kiss, girl. Oh, yeah, good to see you. Yeah. Kiefer, where is it you're from? Because we don't normally do tongues, certainly not at the doorstep.

I'm sorry, I should probably explain where I'm from. I'm half French and I'm half healthy. You're half French. It's half French. You're half-Frenching, you're half-kelder. Oh, man, it's good to see you. I hear so much about you. Emily's always talking about how cool Theo is

and then he emulates his dad and what a cool dude his dad is. Yeah, that's nice to hear. I wish you'd say some of that to me. She said you could be funny. You do jokes for a living, right? Tell me a joke. Oh, oh, God.

Well, I don't really, to be honestly, I don't really do jokes. It's a sort of, it's kind of more. You know what's no joke? At the moment, me and my wife again. through a lot of shit. So you should probably know that before you enter our abode. Don't let on I told you. Don't let put I kissed her sister at Christmas. Don't say anything. What's happened to your accent is that of interest?

When I'm telling secrets. I change my voice in a little bit. Okay. Okay. Do you feel that's a bit of a tell? Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Anyway, dude, dude. Okay, so this is not a secret for now, is it? I could tell because you flip back. Yeah. So anyway, make yourself at home. If you fancy a dance, have a dance. If you fancy just chilling in the garden, having some hot dogs or burgers. Do that, bro. My abode is your abode. Welcome to the Valley of Souls. We actually brought you a bottle of wine, didn't we, sir. Oh, just stick it on the side over there. Thank you. Cheers. Oh, man, I haven't got to. Hey, hello. What's your name? Hi, I'm Phil. Phil Bundkin. I'm our Poulstad.

Hey, Paul, good to meet you, dude, and who's this honey bear? Oh, this is Lucy Bar-wife. She's a hot mama. Oh, I should probably tell you, by the way, if you notice a cold atmosphere in here, I'm having some trouble with my wife. Oh, sure, Keith, sorry, so to interrupt. Could I have a quick, quick word, please? Yeah, dear rummish, do you know, Paul?

No, no, I don't. Hey, Paul, how's it going? You're right, good. Hi, man. I like your stuff. You're very funny. Thank you. Thanks, Paul. Thank you. Well, yeah, you are exactly my demographic, actually, for people that are into myself. So that's, that that's, uh, something big surprise. Hey, what's the secret? Kiefer, Keith, can have a quick word, please.

Hit me, baby, one more time. Okay, um, first of all, first thing is, well, it's three things, actually. Do you mind if I discuss three things with you, just very quickly. Yeah, bro. One, um, I couldn't help noticing you described, uh, Paul's, wife as a hot mama. Yeah. You sort of, you didn't

really, you weren't that effusive about Lisa, so I just wanted to sort of check in on that. Bro, for sure, for real. But you can't compare Claire and Lisa. How do you mean? Well, Claire is and Lisa's

oh, oh yeah. I don't know what either of those things mean. The scriptive sounds, bro, that's how I work. I don't work in words. They're working sounds. You've used a lot of words, actually. So that doesn't feel totally accurate.

The second thing is, do you ever do role plays just out of interest? Yeah, for sure. Me and my wife do them all the time. Yeah, okay, because we have a thing with the roleplay where it has to involve the other person you're doing the roleplay where you don't suddenly create a whole other cast and then start sort of interacting with yourself. Oh, right. Cool.

Okay. So Paul, see you later, Alligator. Are you telling a secret now? No, Paul, see you later, alligator. Rom's chewing my old melons off. Your melons off. So you said there was three things. What's the third thing?

Yeah, the third thing is actually that... Well, actually, the wine, Theo mentioned that Emily said you're really into South African wines. And so we actually, we actually, it's actually a very nice South African wine we've selected especially for us. I just want to let you know. There's not a big thing. It's not a big thing. Listen to me. You seem like you're nervous. I'm not nervous. Why don't you take your t-shirt off and just get involved in the madness? Yeah, okay. Listen, I think I'm Honey Bear and I are going to...

Fuck, what's that, Lisa? The house is on fire. Oh, God. We need to go. You know that I'm a registered fire engine driver in seven different countries. Okay. Is this one of those countries? No. no okay well that's worked out pretty well uh so we're gonna head off then oh leave the wine though huh we did leave the wine you put it over that you put it over you put it over you just said put it over there and you're quite dismissive about actually despite the fact we went to quite a lot of effort hey we'll tell emily that theo's dance is cold dude brilliant thank you that'd be good that'd really help

that had really helped me out and him out so thank you so much kiefer take care see you man see see yeah paul we're gonna it's uh it's umish and lisa uh paul We'll see a later about and take care. See ya. Okay. See, that's what happens, basically, is when you turn up with any sort of bottle of wine, someone just puts it on the table.

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it's the first time actually, I've not, this is so boring. I've not drunk for two months now, and I'm pretty sure I'm off. I'm off, I'm off the thing. And it's been amazing. It's been amazing, like really good. But it's the first time I'm going out with these guys

without, you know, without drinking. Have you been out in this kind of scenario with them before? Not to watch the football, no. So, I mean, I sent a preliminary text explaining that I'm not going to be drinking. What were they like from the text? What was there? There's been no reply. You're joking?

No, but I mean, it is still not 9 o'clock yet, so, you know. What time did you text them? This morning. Oh, my God. What? You didn't wake up and text them at what? Yeah. Because you were up at 7.

You texted at 7. 7.30, yeah. But, bro, I fucking adore you. You know, that is your voice. That's the voice of all voices coming across, just going, uh, guys, Romsky here, just to say that I'm not drinking today. Drinking is a no-go for me. If it's at 7 o'clock, because if it's at 10, it's like, hey guys, Rom here,

y'all, looking forward to today, but I'm not drinking. It's cool. But 7 a.m. it means that they're going, he's not slept last night. He's been worried about this. Well, they know I'm a parent. Do you know, so you normally sort of up early, aren't you? Yeah, you're up early, making breakfast, cleaning the kitchen from the night before. You're not up early, going, I need to text these guys now.

Well, no, it's like, it's a very breezy text. Go on, hit me with a text, what did it say? Let me just see what I said. Still no reply. Morning, guys, see you later. I'm not drinking at the moment. It's a headset you might not find me interesting. Very excited to see and touch you both.

No? I mean, it's actually cool. It's actually okay. I mean, the see and touch you both, you're compensating for the fact that, you're going up, yeah, here's some big news, but I'm going to sort of desensitize it with a sort of joke. Well, I don't want to turn up there and then have to refuse drinks in the moment.

Oh, no, no, no, I get that. I've been there, but I think when you turn up at your show, are you going to sort of go, ooh, I'm not drinking, but I'm going to start touching them. No, I don't think so. That's not the plan, but let's see what happens. You'll be careful. Let's see what the alcohol-free erdinger.

Are these sort of new-ish friends? or are they sort of like cold huts, cold stone sort of? Three, three, four years? Three, four years, all right, okay. Yeah. Okay, so you've had some nights out, but they've probably been busy. Well, we've had some nights out, but they're both like musicians, so they're like, you know, they get on it. Right, yeah.

And I've got on it with them, but not, you know, I'm very much outpaced by them, you know, so we'll see. I'm sure it'll be fine. But you think the text was a mistake? I had a text later. I had a text just before the game, like, just before you get in there. Just before I get there. Well, you could delete it. You could delete it.

Well, then it says deleted this message, doesn't it? I mean, that's the problem because WhatsApp's a fucking grass. So, it all of them are, even, what's it called? A piece of shit now, isn't it? What's that? Text, normal texts. Yeah, why do we text each other more than we WhatsApp, by the way? I WhatsApp everybody else apart from you.

What is it with you texting? I'm old school, man. Yeah, but you all say WhatsApp. Because I've got a text by the one. I feel like, I've got a text by the one. I feel like, I've got a text. bundle, unlimited text. I thought I should use the unlimited, some of the unlimited text. Otherwise, it's just...

Okay, but yeah, but you're, are you WhatsApping other people? Are you texting them? You and Catherine, I always, are my two text friends. Well, actually, that's quite, that's quite, I feel quite honoured, actually. Yeah, no, you and Catherine, I keep on a text. So both people you're having regular sex with, you would keep that untouched. One of you. Um, so anyway, I shouldn't have text, but I can't delete it now, that's it. I just have to accept that's what the situation is. What are you going to drink by the way? You're drinking

mocktails, an alcoholic beer. Non-acolic beer, but I find non-acolic beer quite bloaty, you know? I mean, beer's quite bloaty, but non-arcoholic beer's bloater. I was fine with the non-alcoholic stuff. But then you don't want to have Diet Coke, do you? Because it's sweet, how much sweet drinking you have? You know, that's a tricky one. You know, I've been drinking, lime and soda, baby. Yeah, it's a good choice. Water's actually good, but I mean, it feels a bit weird to be drinking water with other people, you know, it's not. Yeah, yeah. You want something, you want, the truth

is, you want something that looks like what everyone else is drinking. I've got a similar thing to this. I'm going to Oasis on Saturday. And it's, but people know that I don't drink, but they're, I'm going to find that hard one not to drink at. Yeah. Yeah. So you will, that means you're going to drink, doesn't it?

I don't know, no, no, I won't. No, I've, I've quite a, but I will, like, I've been to see them a number of times back in the day. And it's very sort of like, I always think, like, you're going into something where it's like that sort of shade of yesterday year you know it's a bit like a stand by me or some shit

you're walking down with memory lane yeah the journey and it's part of that big journey is like an ice cold beer and a plastic cup yeah yeah I'm also I'm also quite anxious Tom because my chat show thing that I'm doing

is coming out next week we already be it now and the other thing that's come out this week is Can't Knock the Hustle my documentary series Wow, two shows coming out of a week, baby. Yeah, I'm very nervous, Tom, about it, right? How so much? Well, just because I don't know, you know, it's a very difficult part of the job, isn't it?

Stuff coming out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How's the chat show? So how's the chat show work? Is it an old school chat show or is it just like you and a guest? Well, it's just me and a guest. I'd love you to come on, Tom, but your agent's not getting back to me. Well, my agent is Flo, so for these things.

Well, can you get a too tough? Flow likes to sort of, like, play like, this game. She's very, very, very clever with that. Well, you know, I text. You know, you can text me, you can text me and ask me. And I'll just go, yeah, I fuck, mate. If there's one person I adore talking to in the world, it's you. So if I get you on the chat show, how different will you be?

Because you know you have this accusation. What Tom do you want? What does that mean? What are the options? Well, no, because if I'm coming into it and I'm like going to be fine, it's a final. I don't know what the chat show is. I have to watch it. If it's like an earnest.

chat of like if it's fun and high energy and I completely take a nose dive by going yo bro I need to hit you like this is the this is the closest version of me here this is me right this is full transparent on wall for now is the yeah is it okay yeah so I mean there's an argument there's an argument there's no point in you coming on is there no but if I come on in it's more like say for example devenas is a more that was a more that was a deeper chat that would be a bit yeah we do it a little bit but not loads more often than not, you're sort of doing an impression of me and then. But anyway, go on.

So, Davina's one is a bit more. Yeah, so if you hit me up with what it is. Let's do a little sample now, okay? So I'm going to introduce it. All right. So welcome to the Ramesh Rang & Aiton show. With me today, I have got a multi-hyphenate, actor, stand-up, writer.

One of the country's greatest comic talents, Bafda winner, of course I am talking about and also one half of my podcast of Wolf and Al absolutely honoured

to have this man on it is Tom Davis hello Tom thank you so much for having thank you so much for coming out what an introduction what a crazy introduction

hearing it from your sweet lips felt good bro how was it going generally Tom how are you good good man good yeah just you know getting stuff done

living the life you know, taking each step of the journey as slow as I can, but sometimes you've got quicken up that step just to get a little bit faster, but yeah, living a life, bro. We actually got you a, we actually get every guest a present, so we've got you a gift. Oh, thank you, my friend. Yeah, yeah. So it's,

we got you a West Ham Beanie. Wow. Um, where the fucking I'm ever going to wear this? Where? Just sort of out and about and about and stuff. What's the other get? What have you got the other guests? that have been on here?

Tim Minchin we had on. We got him a stylophone. He got a stylo phone? Yeah. And I get a West Ham Beanie. Well, the gift is supposed to be sort of, it's supposed to be tied to, you know, what the, what the guest is into.

You're into West Ham and you're like wearing a hat, so it sort of felt like a no brain. Yeah, give me a, yeah, but Weston, I feel like a guy who's given up or an eight-year-old boy in a West Ham Beanie. Right. Okay. Well, I mean, those things are both things that I've read in reviews about you.

so if anything okay thank you anyway that's a really sweet do you mind me saying I know it's very early on in the chat but do you mind me saying that I feel like you've got a slightly different energy to me I mean this is not how you are on the wolf listen man when I come on to these one and ones

and it's an interview I like to sort of I like to I like to deconstruct my soul and let you have a little piece of it yeah okay I've got to say actually You remind me of a I know called Kiefer. But listen, let's do it. I'll come and I'll bring an energy. Okay.

So Tom, Tom, what are you up to generally at the moment? What am I up to at the moment? Well, I have a podcast with my best friend in the whole world who's sitting opposite me right now. Adore you. Also just doing some other projects I can't really talk about because of the top secret. Yeah.

So you've got this, is it like you've, a couple of filming bits that you can't chat about? Yeah, a little bit of filming, also some scripted, writing stuff. Wited? And so when you've written this stuff, do you... So are you proud of what you've written? Yeah, man, I've been writing, writing for quite a long time now. Yeah. I've written quite a lot of different stuff.

You're such a multi-taletic guy. What do you think is like your main thing? Are you mainly a stand-up? Are you mainly an actor? Where do you position you? Are you mainly a podcast? Where is my main thing? I guess it's my...

I guess it's just being a human being, bro. If I'm going to be honest with you. That's the thing that I do with being the most. Ben, we normally have bed in on these. Ben, do you mind pass me the bucket, please? Yeah, I just need to... I just need to spend a couple of minutes chundering. That's okay before we carry on.

so I'll bring that sort of image if you want it or I could do so different it's up to you no look look I'm going to speak to flow and definitely definitely get you on but anyway I was looking up online because also obviously can't knock the hustles coming out which is a very like it's a very personal by the way it looks amazing thanks

but it's the documentary is where we like to look into the stand-up I sort of explore the stand-up show. So the whole idea is you did this amazing stand-up show. It's going to be out soon. That's part of the series. And then so in the, in the documentary series, we take bits of the stand-up and bits of the things that I asserted and then explore them to see if they were true. That's the, that's the idea of it. Listen to this, though. So I looked up what to do when you're nervous about your work, right? Yeah. Where did you look this up? I looked up online, right?

okay listen to this this is unbelievable okay practice not being attached to the outcome you can't control how others will react the show is now its own entity your role was in creating it now your role is to let it go try to shift your focus from what will they think of my show to i did my best work and i'm proud of what i created i mean how deep is that bro that's really deep the only thing i sort of have take umbrage with if to be honest it is, not Umbridge, but you know, I'm not proud. You're not proud of what it is? Well, no, it's like, it's the best thing you can do at the time.

But do you know, like, one of the things that I find with things like this is, as soon as you've done it, it starts to decay in your head, right? You've got an Alex Ferguson mentality. That's what you've got. No, but the stand-up show. Like, for example, I loved the stand-up show when I was doing it. Do I now think it's the best show I could ever do? No, because I think that the next show I do is going to be the best show I ever do.

Do you know what I mean? So it's tricky. But that's the Alex Ferguson mentality. It's like you've spent you, it's like you come from the class of 92. Mm. It's not, you know, Beckham, Giggs, Neville, Neville, but, skulls. Yeah, okay, okay, okay, got it. But the point is, you know, it's very exciting and anxiety-inducing.

You know, you must have had this when underdog dropped. I haven't, you know, when underdog plopped onto the world. When underdog shat into the back of the toilet. When you squatted over Skymax and passed that out. I thought very much, I still, I still, I can't even, I don't, I can't watch it back. And if I watch it back, it's full of holes. Yeah.

And everything I, yeah. Lisa and I sat and watched it recently. God, that's not, yeah. So you are amongst seven people who've watched it. We watched it. We watched it. We loved it. We loved it.

Well, I've got to say, thank you very much. We've obviously already seen it before because we came to watch it in Redding when you fucking like me else. I would say that it's, it's, yeah. But you, I think naturally you're always going to look like anything, like, I think when I did King Gary, I thought, oh, this is, you know, I was very proud of it, still proud of it, but I don't watch it and go, oh, that's, you know, all murder and successful. You want to make things that are better and better and keep hopefully growing and doing different things.

So I think you should, and I think every tool you've done has got better and better and better. I think, I mean, I've spoken about it to a number of people. You sort of have to say that. But that's right. I tell you, I thought there was another one that you'd done that was better than your last one. but I think you've got also I think you've got so much more earnest which is what I've been trying to do

in my work in progress is I actually used you as a reference the other day did you? Yeah as a reference to what a nerdy little piece of shit that you just sort of think is embarrassing Actually I was talking to I was talking to Flo and I was saying about how I'm just trying to be a little bit more earnest

a bit more open when I stand up and try to actually push conversation and I used you and another comic as the two people that I actually admired the most on the circuit at the moment you and Bridges it's very sweet of you I did the photo shoot

for the new tour the other day I've heard it was amazing who told you that flow two things happen in the photo shoots I'm not loved to hear but first of all I had to you know I always have to preface with the photographer

I hate this right you know and that's a very negative thing for them to hear but I'm not I'm just saying to them look I find it difficult do you know what I mean it's like anyway I brought a load of clothes because we want to have some options right one of the clothes

one of the clothes one of the jackets sent it oh my god okay by the way can you see the difference between me and you what's that I said righted you made a whole bit out of it you said one of the clothes and I just let it be because I know you're anxious about the thing you're about to tell me

one of us one knows how to generate content and the other one doesn't is what I'm taking from that but one of the one of the jackets that I took along with me had like a had a stain on it not a stain it was like it was like a like a snail trail across the back of it

it was like yeah it's horrible and I'd like you know what also looks like a snail trail yes we we this comment was made on the day yeah it looks like somebody had jizzed up my back that's what it looked like

oh jeezed you're celebrity and I pulled all the jackets out and kit who was on hair and makeup also had offered to bring a steamer to help me with anything that had creases and very sweet of her oh you don't want a steamer

seaman. No, I mean, the smell for the second half of the photo shoot was, oh, it's grim. No, but I don't know, I still don't know what it was. I don't know how it got there. I don't know why it was there. You know, it's like, you know, I don't mind the stain where you've been eating something and you drop food onto yourself. And you go, okay, fine, that's a fuck up. But, you know, what can you do? You know, all joking, it's probably a silk worm that's got into your wardrobe. Maybe. Um, it wouldn't have found any silk, though. no but yeah but he'd be looking he doesn't know what he's going to find any other explorer yeah you can't knock a silkworm for going into your

no i'm not knocking the silkworm i'm not knocking the silver i'm just saying yeah but if if i'm a silkworm and i'm bowling about crawley and i see you and Lisa I want to go fucking oh they're going to have a bit of silk in there unless I don't want to be disparaging about the town but I would say silkworms come into crawley I would say that I would describe that as an error of judgment if anything it's the silkworm who's thinking outside the box yeah absolutely way outside the All the other silkworms are turning around and going, where are you headed, Crawley? I mean, it's taking fucking ages to get there. Yeah, thinking outside the box.

The box has got all the silk in, and you've gone very much outside it. He's probably like a third generation silkworm who started the journey from London to, from London to Crawley. He's had to turn around to his, every time, you know, every generation they pass, he turns around to

his kid, his kid and turns around and says, look, this Operation Crawley can't, you must get there. Yeah, okay. Would you like to do some emails? Yeah, let's do it, baby. Okay, so this first one is quite heavy. So I'm just warning you.

I know you like to sometimes tune the emails. I don't want to let people be on the curtain, but you like to just look at your phone and not really pay full attention. But for this one. Okay, I'm going to close my eyes. I'll close my eyes and I'm listening. And I'm going to read it at a decent pace.

because I have been accused I haven't actually recently been accused of reading them too quickly but anyway Hello Wolf and Al this is from the trusting triceratops I started listening in July and I'm nearly caught up

I love it especially the silences where you both laugh and I think I've lost signal until I hear the chuckles always makes me smile I'd love some advice a year ago my wife ended our marriage she still loved me

but my alcoholism dishonesty around money and struggles after we had a miscarriage meant she had to walk away for her own good the last year has been the hardest of my life but with therapy AA and my job in the prison service I've managed to get sober and find purpose recently I've started to see someone who I work with and she's making me really happy

the issue is I avoid posting photos of going public because I don't want to hurt my ex at the same time I don't want to upset my current partner by hiding her should I just live my life and let my ex deal with it if she finds out or should I let her know so it's not a shock love the trusting triceratops so there you go Tom there's the email well I am yeah

I would say that it's a difficult one because you don't know where your ex is at unless you have a sort of open conversation in a sense and whether she's sort of just getting on with her life so to speak more and you're you know and she's moved on

and you coming back with this sort of thing might be quite triggering for her or is it a fact that you basically turn around and you think doing a decent thing and doing, you know, I suppose if she supported you for quite a lot of the sort of lower points of your journey and you feel that it's a better thing. I think there's times of my life if I'm going to be quite open

that I wish I'd had more conversations and it's too late to have now. I think like, you know, we're sort of making a bit of light of giving up drinking and whatever, but I was in quite a similar a situation to yourself in a number of ways but you know leading up to having grace and and and i've been like quite open about that but i think you know the situation being cafe we're in and the alcohol was was playing quite a sort of you know a very negative part of my life and now when i look back i realize how negative alcohol being throughout my whole life and and actually quite often i think

there's people that uh you know along your journey that i wish i had probably you know once i got sober or maybe it is too late now just to sort of almost just say that you know I think you're being a helmet or just not being the best version of yourself and I just realized at times alcohol was that sort of thing but yeah some places I guess what maybe it's cowardly that haven't done that but I think you've really every every situation like that is is you have to odds it up and just say is it going to be triggering for her for you to turn around and say look I've got I'm getting on with life and I'm moving forward I don't know where she's at or your last conversation.

But I do think the one thing I would say is having spoken, and I've got friends in, you know, I don't know about Romney's, I can't speak. But I don't share probably as much of pictures of me. I'll do it on stories, but I don't, because Kathy doesn't feel comfortable aren't me sharing pictures. But, you know, I do know people and friends of ours who don't share pictures, and that can then create a bit of animosity. Me and Catherine have discussed that and talked about that at a great length.

but I think, yeah, I think you need to talk to your present partner and explain to her, and I think it's probably worth having a conversation with your ex and just saying, and also just letting her know you've moved on because, you know, like I say, it's hard to know, but whether she's harboring for trying to get or she's moved on and her knowing you've moved on will let her to almost release something. So I always think, like, when it comes to things like this, being honest and being as true as you can is the way forward.

And like I say, yeah, some of my biggest regrets in life are not doing that. So, yeah, be the best version of yourself. Go forth, my friend, and do what you do. Thank you so much for your email, trusting Triceratops. First of all, congratulations on cleaning yourself up and allowing yourself to move forward. It's a great thing. The truth is, it's very difficult to answer your email

without the full set of information. I'm not saying you've done anything wrong at all. But I don't know, we don't know how your ex is feeling about things. So to speculate, the truth is that you know better than we do as to whether you should do this or not. Because from your ex-wife's perspective, she was in love with you, but it was very difficult to conduct that relationship because of what you were doing and because of your behaviour. And so then it might be difficult for her if you've moved on with someone else and somebody else is sort of getting a different version of. you. And that might be tricky because if she was with that version of you, your marriage might still be intact, you know. So it's a tricky one. The honest answer is that you are the

one that knows the best. The other issue is about posting photos and going public, like is that even if you do decide to share that with your ex, is that the way to share it? Do you mean, like sort of sticking it on socials or whatever? I think that, you know, I feel like sometimes, we are in a we've got caught up in thinking that's the way to to deliver information to people and I think that in some instances that can be a mistake that that is like a really public way of doing it is there another alternative whereby you you get in touch and you're able to sort of explain that to her without it being a public thing so look it's totally up to you man but good luck with it and I just want to say congratulations

on getting through what you're getting through it. Can I just share it? I've had a reply to my text. Go hit me. Bro, don't worry at all. Don't care if you're on heroin, Kool-Aid or OJ. It would just be great to see you. Isn't that lovely?

That's nice. That's good. It also shows that you have better friends than some of mine. I'm just going to try and source some heroin, I think, and really put that to the test. Because that's the ultimate, isn't it? Yeah.

Okay. Hello to the Wolf-Al Swan, Cat and Flaming. Please leave me anonymous I'm a huge fan of the pod A day one listener And I've never missed an episode I'm a big fan Boom legend

I'm a big fan of King Gary And Misadventures of Romish Rang and Aethon Can't wait to see you on the both In the 29th in Birmingham With what But they don't want this read out in the thing So that's why I'm reading this right So with a somewhat similar background to Romish

I was once upon a time a teacher But left this behind him We're now fortunate enough to work as a firefighter Holy shit Wow Legend. Couldn't be happy with my chosen career. My question to you both is this. Do you ever consider working in an entirely different career to those that you found yourselves in? Did you have childhood aspirations to be astronauts or fighter pilots? And how do you think that would

have turned out if those dreams had become reality? Naturally, it would have been a shame to leave the world bereft of your comedic talents, but it's interesting to wonder, wouldn't you agree? Bonus question, firefighters usually deploy as a team of two. How do you think YouTube would work as a team to both put out a house fire? We can't answer this question. all the best to you lovely people who brighten my every week thank you so much for your question

Tom Legend of the game Absolutely legend of the game Hey educating minds To saving lives This guy's got it all Yeah Oh what's going on

Are you okay Oh sorry what's happened there Let me just explain Because sometimes listeners don't know What's happening Tom was really happy with what he said. I have to deal with this quite regularly, actually. So I'm just going to let you into what happened. There was an awkward pause there. And the reason there was an awkward pause is

Tom said something that he thought was amazing. And he'd allowed a pause to, for my reaction. And that reaction was you sitting back and getting on your phone, you absolute bozo. Right. Okay. Okay. My guy. My gee. Firstly, amazing work. Secondly, so your first question, I had very little aspirations. I've talked about us quite openly in life. I didn't really, I didn't think I'd ever, like, I sort of always knew that I'd probably end up, you know, working on a building site.

That was a thing that I sort of always wanted to do. And by I say, aspirationally, I didn't, I'd never really thought about being, you know, like a national or sports person or anything like that. I'd sort of, I'm with quite, yeah, I've been around people who works on sites. sort of quite like the idea but actually the biggest thing i've wanted to be as a kid was a bin man i just really love the idea of uh yeah working on the dust being a part of a gang getting up

every morning um uh same group of guys little gang that you'd go out and have a bit of a laugh with and you know you'd be done by one o'clock and you'd be in the pub and i sort of applied a couple of times to do it and didn't get anywhere but yeah that was the thing so that's the first question that was, uh, and then to the second one, I think me and Rorush, actually, I, you know what, we should put this to the test and like, we should go and try and do, you know, like, do the training firefighter days to see how we get on rescuing someone. Well, we don't have the record of fitness, do we? Well, yeah, but they just ask us as we are now.

Well, as we are now, as we are now, the, the house burns down. Yeah. No, did he say saving someone from a house fire? Well, let me have a look. how do you think you to put out a house fire together is the exact wording of the question but I think we'd be good I don't think we would Tom

I don't I control the hose and you'd probably turn it on and then we basically just fucking you know I don't think it's as easy as just first we've got to ascertain what's going on in there do you mean so there's a bit of like analysis and then you I mean I don't know I'm speaking as a pure ignorance you'd probably be quite good at that analysis side

I don't think you've got to be I've run down, I'd smash the door down with an axe, and then you're looking, go, what's going on here? I honestly think what would happen is, is another team would turn up and go, the house is burning down, we've got another two casualties.

I think with a little bit of expertise from our friend here. We've got two dead first responders. Do you not think you've got in the mix? By the way, I met some fire in the other day. Absolute legend. But one of them had, the greatest moustache i've ever seen in my life yours is beautiful this guy's it was absolutely it was like a work of art yeah he had completely clean shaved around it yeah it just stood out

beautifully he had a bit of a neck tattoo i got to say i was in at katherine by the way he they pulled over because grace was waving at the fire truck and katherine lost her mind she was very very you know she sat in the fire truck with grace yeah i didn't know if they were both going to all going to drive off together well they're on no way to an emergency No, no. They just come back from one, so they sort of smell sort of, you know, like musty and manly. Okay. Big shout to all the firefighters out there. You're doing an incredible job. Shout firefighters.

Honestly. I don't even know what that's like. To do something like that, that's your job every day. I can't even believe it. How do you think you'd get on in the firehouse with the banter? Because you know that they spend a few days together. Bad. Really? Really bad, yeah. I think that I'd be sort of the unpopular one that occasionally they would turn up. No way. They'd sort of leave me behind. I think that's probably... No, but you probably have a cool nickname, like Brains or something like that. Yeah, or what would my nickname be?

Finkie, thinky. Yeah, useless, better off without you. No, no. Look, you're being harsh. You've done marathon training. You've done marathon training. Yeah, and what do they say? So, Ramesh, listen, you've done marathon training.

We're going to take the fire engine. What we'd love you to do is just run over there. We'll see you in six and a half hours. That's what would happen. I think you'd get on better and you think you've got that acid tongue when you need it, baby. Anyway, hit us with the questions. Firstly, what did you want to be, Ron? What was the thing?

Oh, yeah. So, well, I think not I wouldn't, would have wanted to be. I mean, actually, Tom, you've sort of, you did a day on the dust, didn't you? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did. I would have just been a teacher. I think there's a very, there's another world very close to this one where I started doing, you know, because I was happy to be a teacher and I started doing stand-up and then the stand-up took, somebody said to me, you should think about doing this for a job.

But at that point, I was only intending on doing it as a hobby. So I wasn't ever going to move into comedy. So there's another world in which I'd just be head of six-form somewhere, sort of, you know, I'd be like Mr. Gilbert. Is it Mr. Gilbert from in between? between us? No, I'll bet you have more empathy than him. I'd love being head of six from actually. I love... Have you ever been a teacher?

No. No. I did have like kids that didn't like me, though. You know, a lot of people sort of assume that I was super popular at the school, which is very sweet. You know, people go to me, because you're a comedian who kids must have loved but that's not true. Some kids fucking hated, like, hated me. One kidded like a beat for me for four years.

bad breath and sort of smell they're the worst ones can i can i actually somebody sent me a video of when i was a teacher giving a good luck message to the students can i just play you the audio of this because it's yeah please go ahead it's absolutely humiliating go on this is it generally could be this could make my weekend look i don't know if you're going to hear it sometimes playing audio in doesn't work but let's in the area i just wanted to say to you A lot of you spent your time... Can you hear that? Yeah, go.

I'm Mr. Rang and Nathan. You already know that. Everybody knows you in Hayswick, and I'm also a local celebrity, as you know, in the area. I just wanted to say to you, a lot of you spent your time at Hayswick looking up to me, sort of a role model, not only sort of academically, but just the way that I carry myself, the way that I present myself in a fashion way, have fun of, just kind of good look. And I'm going to be honest with you, many, if not all of you, are going to fail to meet up to the standards that I've set. But there's nothing wrong with aiming for perfection, seeing if you can really come up to maybe even 10, 15% of what I've achieved in my life. And I promise you, if you keep working at it, you keep striving, keep really pushing and pushing, maybe, just maybe, I'll recognise you in a few years' time and say hello to you in public.

thank you a lot good luck can i say number one how fucking close is my impression of you that is fucking literally your voice that is the voice that's insane if anything you're more nerdy on that than like oh god so you sent that video to all the kids

i didn't send that video they so they went round like as they're about to leave and asked all the teachers and like heads of year to do a message and that was my message. Bad, isn't it? How many versions of that did you? Was that one that you did? No, that was the first, that was like...

No, did you did it in one take? Yeah, of course I did. I'm a fucking professional, mate. Yeah, well, yeah, you weren't there. But you know what? I think we should release that on the extra content for the podcast so people can see it.

How embarrassing do you think that is? Well, yeah, but you're trying to be cool. I think it's quite sweet, by the way. I think, yeah, you clearly have a bit of banter and you're sort of, you know, there's a cool guy in there. But you also are the cool teacher, sort of like, oh my God, Mr. Ranganathan smells a cool water. Okay, do you want to bigger laugh?

Oh, yes, please. Okay, I'm going to show you what I look like. Oh, my God. So this is a video thing, right? Oh, my God. I'm now going to show you what I look like. Oh my God. Oh my God.

You know the sad thing is there's some boys who probably really looked up to you and thought that's what I would have been with a mould. Wow. You seriously, like we both have done some work, but my God. The glow up on you is unbelievable. I mean, saying that, yeah, I'm very, yeah.

But Christ, bro. Oh, God. Look at it, man. That's, let me see it again. It doesn't even look like you. And you were the cool teacher. I wasn't, I wasn't, I wasn't the cool teacher. I don't know what I.

What I love is that is you being very self, you know, sort of derogatory, right? Yeah. But no kid is going to get self-derogatory. humor. And not many adults get it. So when the kids are showing that, they're going to go, oh, wow. Look, that's, this is Mr. Ranganathan's.

It's like, who is he fucking think he is? Oh, God, I know. They just thought I must have thought I was something fucking special. Oh, God. What a prick. Right, Tom. Thankfully, that brings us to the end

of this episode of The Wolf for now. So please, could you do us the honour of taking us out y'all friends treasures what are treasures

so boxer you dig up on an island a fallen vessel at the bottom of an ocean full of trinkets nay friend treasure can be anything be the things that we treasure most

and sometimes the things that we let us pass a look from a stranger to a stranger Look of recognition. Nice air. Attraction. A laughter of a charred as a swing flies high or a roundabout doesn't want final loop. A race car driver on his last race. Just taking that moment as he flies past the finish line.

Not first, not second, not third, but seventh. Still a moment, friends. Still a moment to treasure. That's the thing about life as it passes us by so quickly. sometimes we can forget those moments sometimes we can forget to take the moment put it into our treasure box of memories but one day we'll look back at and go

hey I remember that it's weird this week I spent some time with someone and as I talked about a story from her past they didn't remember it see it meant a lot to me I treasured it but for them it was just the passing of the sound of time

our treasures are always going to be different. Sometimes you'll hold something dearer and someone else. Always remember this. It's not about other people. It's about you. It's about you finding little moments in your life where you can find a smile. No. Open a box. See the gold memory. Light up your face. And no, the treasures aren't always found. Sometimes they're just hidden away. Really nice, Tom. Really nice. Thank you. Thank you. Joy Crooks is what I knew I'm called Juniper

and I absolutely love her. That is actually a nickname. But you met Joy Crooks? Yeah. No, she's a good girl. Do you know her? Well, I don't know. I did Vascoops with her a couple of years ago. That's women.

So, J.T., could you play a sack with First Last Dance, please? It's one of the songs off Juniper. It's great. Thank you so much for listening to The Wolf for now. If you are coming to the Belfar show, please do send him. If you're coming to any of the show, I know, the Belfar show would have been done by the time this is out. Oh, fuck.

Anyway, thanks for coming out. Let's just do it. Thanks for coming out to the Belfar show. And thank you for all the wolf whistles. Rob Escher looks so, so fine. It is on his schoolgirl outfit. Yeah. That was a hell of a show, man.

Wild. But if you're coming to any other shows, do email in. The Belfar show was special, wasn't it? It was crazy. It was special. But you know what? Like I just said, let's find some more treasures, baby. Yeah.

I believe they're trying to put the roof back onto the theatre. Anyway, take care, guys. Love you very much. Bye. Boom. Each time I hope you came together, but we're leaving alone, this will be my first last dance with you. It's you, it's you, it's you.

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