Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 39: Oasis Highs, MAFS Beef & A Fiery Burrito

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

We’re talking… Tom's amazing night at the Oasis concert, Josh Widdicombe’s Liam Gallagher strut, speedy toilet trips, a very loud audience burp, Rom’s War Child charity dinner with Olivia Coleman and John Lithgow, new tattoos, a problematic couple on the new series of MAFS, Tom’s very spicy burrito and a massive thanks to all those who came to our first live tour show in Belfast. Plus, emails about filming TV pilots and a very embarrassed audience member. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Yo, what do you want, beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's preferred, they'll grant you all last request to steady your nerves, then podcast the body parts get severed and served. Bring your weak shit, where the wall finale, that ain't just a mistake, that's an awful howler. Both of them are known to pull up at your shows, have the crowd witnessing a murder like they rolled in with a gang of crows. Fuck their censorship, let them see the whole thing. They stay dressed to kill, never sheep's clothes.

dark enough to turn the sun to the moon You'll see nothing All your ears are huffer puff and a Expect killings, red spilling and flesh ripping Impressive in it The death bringing its head spinning Just kidding every word in his song's About two grown men

Dressed up as a bird and a dog Welcome to the wolf An out Oh yeah Wow baby What is that cat? What's the cat me wearing? It's a banging cap.

Detroit Pistons. I've got a family in Detroit and they asked me to support the Pistons. They support Arsenal. And they said, can you support the Pistons in return? So I'm returning the favour, you know? Wow, wow.

Across the oceans, fucking collaboration, maybe I like that vibe. You know, I'm feeling an energy from you, like a sort of a swagger, a kind of a vibe, I would say, just like a general. You feel like somebody that's, really connected with your kind of your core energy do you know what i took a sip from the cup that is oasis last night yeah and it was my god that i think the best concert i've ever been to in my entirety yeah yeah i'm not yeah if it's uh i imagine it is the best concert that you've ever

been to um in the fact the only other concerts i've been to is the aiasis in uh three other times yeah what was it what was it like mate it was incredible incredible like genuine i you know what as well I was very, very pensive going in, doing it sober, like not having a drink. How many drinks did you have in the end? 20. No, I didn't drink. I was sober as, sober as anything.

Which actually made it almost better. Just singing like, I mean, when you're also, when you're sobering something like that, and you see some of the states of people, there's a couple next to us who were drinking red wine. They were so drunk by about the third song. They were just both slumped, sat down. and anyone trying to get out to the toilet

couldn't get past them because they were essentially asleep and I'm like, you know what do you think these people have clearly looked so forward to this they've gone out and absolutely got smashed they've got over-excide, I understand that you know, it happens. Yeah, but I always just think, I mean, they were our age, they were, you know, mid-4 years.

Even more so, even more so reason to get carried away. I don't know, yeah, we've carried away but then they've missed the whole thing so they're not there. Yeah, they'll regret that, they'll regret that. but yeah i felt for them i felt for them like literally both of them just sleeping by the end of it it was just insane yeah uh but yeah man incredible saw josh whittaker real um real um real ex drinker vibes from me there sort of looking at people that are drinking and being quite judgmental well speaking

speaking of judgmental what's your attitude towards people that sort of keep wristbands on after gigs and stuff right this is just staying on i'm gonna keep this on until it falls off I want people to know that I was there 225 bro um gosh mate row 14 fucking 204 block 204 we were there

um Josh Willicum was there yeah owning it he he genuinely he actually put on the walk wherever he went the Liam Gallagher walk

it was quite quite a thing's bestow I find that hard to visualise but mate he he had Josh It was like he'd spent an hour and a half of Noel and Liam before. I saw him.

We linked up. He was sitting near me. He was there with a mate of mine and his Chris, who's a great guy. His Chris? Yeah. Do you each have a Chris? No, he had a, it's a mutual Chris that we both have. Oh, okay.

Yeah. It's more his Chris than my Chris. So it's his Chris for the evening, but some other days he's your Chris. Okay, get it. No, no, no. I'd say that he would be Chris's father. I'd be Chris's second cousin. So even when, even when Chris is with you, he's still Josh's Chris.

Is that right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd know him as, yeah. But me and Chris have had, we've had shared experiences, like we've, without Josh. But Josh, for the entirety of mine and Josh's relationship, you know, and I'm sorry, entirety of mine in Chris's relationship, Josh has been a forebearer. He's been around quite a lot.

Okay, good to know. Josh was, yeah, it was a beautiful thing to see him. He's just, there's a picture I've got where he looks so excited. I mean, I've got some videos of him singing. I found that quite fun. Why were you video? Just, I just enjoyed watching Josh Whitaker. It's a bit of a snide.

It was a snide move, isn't it? No, I sent them to him. I've sent them to videos too. No, sure. Also, I wish, could I say, I wish someone that, I had to do that myself. Yeah, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw, I wish someone else would film me, just lost in a moment. Saw you sort of, uh, take a photo of yourself, putting up the previous times you've been

to her waist, it's like their cup wins. Um, and then I saw the video. You full, full, much, merged up to the eyeballs. mate merched up everything but the trousers baby everything but the trousers could I say as well like just how friendly and lovely everyone was

it was a really nice vibe just singing just a loudness of singing just holding someone you've never met before and just fucking just holding their face and singing don't get in anger for me what you're describing is the end of event horizon but I'm sure I've not seen that film what is the

well they just get a glimpse of hell right at the end and that no slurring oasis i'm a big fan of oasis i'm not a big i'm not a big enough fan to like you know i'm a casual i'm not i'm not hardcore like you uh i went at one point i was like okay you know like i needed a way we've got to an age i drunk quite a lot of fizzy pop and water we've got to an age where we need a way yeah yeah uh and also you're not getting through a two hour set without a piss right no what were you drinking water and fizzy pop right good for you good for you So I go, I need a piss to the company I'm in which I'm in.

And my mate told me, it's like, I'll come with you, right? I was like, yeah, but we need to be in and out. It's a fucking military mission, quick in, quick out, piss and fucking be back to the next song. Right? I sprint, go to the first toilet. First toilet's a pact, so I make the executive decision. We're going to go to the upstairs toilet. You change toilet?

That is big. That is a big move from you, TD. So the run then, I'm sprinting. we get up we get into these other toilets other toilets I'd love it if somebody's great if you grabbed a video

of Tom running to the toilet please do send it in you wouldn't have been out to see me it was like a blur the speed I was going at don't say blur in an oasis gig mate oh my guy radio two robbers in the house

and I'm taking four steps at a time right I get into the toilet my flies are undone as I go through the door right flopped it out as you sort of approach the aeronels, yeah? Try not to tread on it.

Oh, the tricks. And then Tommy goes in a cubicle, and he's like, I need a quick shit. I was like, whoa, what? I was like, a shit was never on the fucking, like, mission fucking discussion. He's like, no, no, I thought, this toilet's empty. I need a shit. I was like, bro, this is fucking unheard of. This is insane.

So the next thing I know, I'm fucking then hanging around outside the toilet, and then I heard that, the song end, I hear his fucking stamp. by me, one of my favorite songs kick on. Tommy comes out, and I'm like, yeah, the sprint back was, yeah. You know that thing where I jumped, I think, five, six steps, I just jumped them. Yeah, yeah, I know. I get it, you're searching for,

you're searching for an ending to this anecdote. But was there any part of you that, was there any part of you that thought that you might? I love you. You're such a tone-hout. I love you, but that's such a tone-hout thing. I get it, you're searching for the end of the out there. Go on, my baby. was there any part of you that would have abandoned Tommy

no I couldn't leave a man down he's terrible with directions he wouldn't have been able to make it back to our seats by the way some people weren't worried about going to the toilet let me just put it that way what does that mean well it's got a strong smell of urine

urine around where we were standing like some people are just I think people are not pissing at no way yep yeah that's I think it's probably one of the own downsides of it that's quite a big downside sort of open

open cups of piss just sort of sat around. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it just enforced your event horizon. That would be, that would probably be my opener to the story if there were just cups of piss around me. But you know what, in credit to the people, they weren't throwing them, which that usually happens to that sort of concept.

We've all got, we've all, we all decide on how high the bar's going to be, don't we, for human behaviour. And yours is, I don't mind you filling a cup with piss, but thank you for not throwing it. No, but that happens a lot of those sorts of concerts. I don't think it happens at Oasis gigs, is it? It happens to like metal gigs and stuff.

Mate, mate, it happens at Oasis gigs. I've been hit by a volley of piss. I've been hit, yeah. Did you ever get piss thrown on you on stage when you were to stand-up? No, I did get told to fuck off by an audience member who thought, oh shit, that happened. I did download many moons ago

and got hit by a bottle of piss. I know you did, yeah. It was, I mean, you were at download. Yeah, it's tricky. I mean, Beckett and I were worried about that when we did the, when we did Robber-Rumush versus Metal, slightly worried that when we came on

with Bleed from Within, that we were going to get piss raining down on us, but it didn't happen, thankfully. Yeah, yeah, it's weird gig thing. I gigged on Friday night. Lovely little gil, gig, nice crowd. A woman in the audience did the loudest burp I've ever heard in my life.

To the point, it stopped everything. It's like stopped time, I've never heard a belch like it. It came from almost like just right the pit of her stomach. Yeah. It was literally... You know like Barney from The Simpsons?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, Barney Gumbull. When he... Yeah. What? That's him. If you know, by the way, Barney Gumble, if Barney Gumble lived in England, everyone would just call him Gumble,

wouldn't they? You wouldn't know who's down the pub? Yeah, and he would be a character. It'd be one of ten people that do that sort of thing. In fact, he'd probably be the most straight laced of the group. They'd call him sensible Gumbull. He'd have definitely been at the AISISC. He'd have been at the AISISC. He'd have been in Wembley last night, old Gumble.

But she let out this burp, but then as a stand-up, you can't not reference it because it stopped the whole, it was so loud. So, and she was sitting in the front row, and I was like, wow, Jesus. And she looked so mortified. And then she tried to say she had the hiccups. Well, she's just trying to save herself, isn't she? Because it's a humiliating experience. So she's trying to protect herself.

Lucky enough, one of the acts found it so funny, he knocked over all the lighting. So that then created a whole commotion. Or he did it to save her. Yeah. Sounds tough. Yeah, it was in a school. It was a gig in a school.

It was a weird thing when you do a gig in a little school theater, isn't it? And you're sort of hanging out in the classroom beforehand. Yeah. done lots of those. Charity gigs tend to be in a school because they don't want to pay for a venue. Understandably, they don't want any of the money going on the venue. But yeah, that can be tricky. I had a weird experience the other night where

this sounds like I'm bigger myself up a bit, but I did a charity dinner thing the other night, which was for War Child. And the idea is that it's sort of a bit of an anxiety dream actually on paper. So what it is, is they had like three houses of people. people that were going to having dinner, their friends

and their houses are all quite close to each other. And you go and basically they pay you up with another celeb and you're the surprised dinner guests for a course. So we did starters at one place, main course, another, dessert, another. And you just chat and they ask you questions and stuff like that. And then they pledge money

like for the experience or whatever. So I was, I was with Roshin Connerty. That's a beautiful dinner guest. Oh, mate. Unbelievable. Like, absolute results to be doing the Rocheon.

One of the others was John Lithgow. Wow. And you'll be very excited about this. Olivia Coleman. Oh, wow. Yeah. Cully. Yeah.

Well, actually. Did you get to chat to them? Yeah, in between. Like, as we walk in between, we've got to have a little chat with them. Olivia Colm was most excited to see me because of my association with you, I think. How's Lithgow?

Because Lifco's in... My boys know Olivia Coleman is Tom's girlfriend. Even though I've met my wife. How's Lifco? She's in Harry Potter at a moment, don't he? I didn't ask him about that because...

I don't know why I didn't ask him about that. But he seemed in good spirits. As I walked in, they had like... All the food was done by Otolengue. And in fact, Yottama Otolengue was one of the guys going around. So it was John Lithgow, Lidogne,

me, Roshin Connerty, and then Yostomater Lengue and Alistair Campbell, bizarrely, was the one, right? Oh my God, wow, Jesus. I know. So then as John Lithgow got up to say hello, he sort of pinging his

glasses across his face and into sort of a load of volovance and then picked his glasses up, they had cream all over them, and then you put them on and said a lot of it. It was an incredible bit, just improvised bit in the moment. That's so beautiful to hear someone of Lithgow's, like, Ilk, doing something like that.

Oh, mate, it was unbelievable. And then for him to turn it into a thing was great, people are pissing themselves. I don't see how the evening gets funnier than that, really. Yeah. Did you try and compete by sort of slipping over for it off the back of your chair or anything? No, no, no, no.

My days of trying to go toe to toe with people are well behind me. But I tell you what did happen that was slightly embarrassing. One of the courses, they had, all of the courses, they'd have like set questions for you. And some of the questions are general and some of the questions specific for you.

And one of the questions was, for me, was, Romish, you've got loads of tattoos of the people at the dinner party, who would you get a tattoo of next on you? Right. And then I said, oh, this is like quite coincidental because I've just got a load of tattoos and my arms actually kind of wrapped. And they said, can we have a look? And so I had a suit jacket on. And so when I stood up to take my suit jacket off all of my tattoos were like dried and peeling and so like these people were having dinner

and I basically pulled out this fucking mummified rank arm it was pretty horrific the woman next to me was just like oh oh god they're really like an old Johnny yeah it's like they're really it's really dry isn't it it sort of really peely and I was like yeah

yeah I don't know why I did this what sort of people are sitting there then what what was this of ilk of people we're talking about So it's just people that they'd invited. So the three houses are chosen to host. They'd volunteered to host because they're involved in the charity. And then they should invite people that they thought would be into it, basically. Oh, nice.

How was the vegan food? So was there like meat and vegan shit stuff? Well, it's actually another embarrassing thing that happened was they had vegan food. It was really delicious. And I just said to you my days of going toe to toe, uh behind me but i did say something that sort of brought the dinner to a standstill in an attempt to be funny which was they had a chef that was explaining what the options were and they were very kindly explaining to me what the vegan so they'd say and for the for the for the all that

most of the the the the guests you've got a blah blah blah blah blah and romish because you're vegan we've done you a da da da anyway so that was happening at the main course at the dessert course meal the woman that made it said, so Ramesh for you, I know you're vegan so we've done you a la la la la la. And it was absolutely delicious, by the way. And then she said to me, and I've got to ask you, where's your mum? And then I said,

and it wasn't in keeping with the level of humour at the dinner. I then said, I don't know if you've seen the news, we've had to send her back. Oh wow. Roshin actually said to me, Roshin actually said to me,

I can't believe you just said. that is genius so bad vibes oh yeah but i think that's that's the kind of vibe that they want from you yeah maybe maybe but um it was it was a it was a slow road back from that anyway this is all irrelevant so the point is i had a nice dinner um killed it a little bit with the bans and made and made some great money for an amazing charity i mean like they told us about what war child was about and it was just like it was a great thing to be involved in In keeping with talking about getting my tattoos and pulling out my scabby arm, on Monday I've got two new tattoos.

I got this, I don't know if I can show you. I got this mixtape that you can see here. Oh, that's very cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then I got, you can't really see it. Hold on, let me see if I can. And then I got Kendrick Lamar. from the Super Bowl

on my arm now but that's not the that's not the highlight of the day the highlight of the day was the fact that I managed to convince Jim, drive a gym to get a tattoo

and he has now got a massive tattoo on his arm I couldn't believe it I felt it felt he felt unplanned no so the last time we'd gone I'd said to him why don't you get something because like Paul's Paul Boxer who does the tattoos is really good

yeah he's incredible by the way I don't know that's who's doing your stuff. He's fucking amazing. Yeah, he's so good. So I said to Jim, like, why don't you think about getting a tattoo? And he said, I've always thought about, because his wife, Sam, is South African, Jim's Scottish. Shout to Sam. And he had this idea of getting like a flag, which was half South African, half Scottish.

Like it fades into, they fade into each other because they've both got the kind of the X. So he got in touch with Paul and Paul had designed him something, but he still wasn't sure. So on the way there, he was also feeling a bit. poorly. So he's like, I don't know, I don't know. But anyway, as we arrived, he saw the set up and he's like, I'm going to do it. So he's got it now, man. That's amazing. Wow, good for fucking Jim. He's got a big

tattoo on his big shoulder, big musly shoulder. He's loving life. He's got beautiful big shoulders. I wonder if the old boxer will do, like, I'm thinking of getting a Liam and no one. No, that's... Should we wait a couple of days?

Should we just, should we Should we leave it a little bit before we commit to that? Because I know you're in the Euphoria, you still got the wristband on, but why don't we just chill? This is me, man. I'm fucking... Why don't we just bring that down a little bit?

I felt like I fell in love with musical again. You know? It's fucking beautiful, when you? Yeah, okay. Can I say, by the way, Liam, what a front man. Yeah, he's good. He's good. He's quite good.

It's one of your hottest takes. Well, they particularly... I think I should go to more gigs and stuff. One of the big worries about the Oasis gigs was that they... Because they'd, like, got together after, like, a long period of sort of estranged... I mean, considering that's what the... They weren't going to be given it full beans, but they... From what I've heard, they're back to full strength.

What you do not is, is of men of our age... I think that one of the things that they did, back in a day, when you're listening to their songs and people have their, you know, different ideologies of what AIS actually means. But it's one of the few things actually that when you listen to it, it was talking about mental health well before people from, you know, people I had grown up with anyway,

we're talking about mental health. Before podcast, podcast started jumping on it and started making that. Yeah, but you listen to it and you think, and also, weirdly for me, I, being there, like, there's certain songs where it throws you back to being 18, 19 dumped or whatever, some of the stuff, you know, the pillars of your, you know, the sadness of your lives and thinking of so many of their songs that, you know, either sitting in a van going to work and all singing, don't look back in anger, but also just lying on your floor,

absolutely destroyed, just having talked tonight on loop for, you know, and that is where you're like, it's been, you know, pillars of your life. And I suppose I'd almost forgotten how much an impression they'd made on my life over the years, do I mean? It was quite a nice thing to be a part of that and just watching people go mad and sing along and it was, yeah. Well, if you think about, like, the way that music kind of hardwires nostalgia into your system, like, you sort of think about, and that's why they say, like, music that you listen to between 16 and 24 is your most kind of loved music because it represents you going

through the most mad kind of finding your identity times of your life and, like, you're young and you're going and you're having all these the maddest experiences or whatever and so then whenever you hear those songs you're flooded with those chemical whatever it is that you felt at that time and it's actually quite it can be quite overwhelming

like sometimes if I'm at a gig and they're playing you know the stuff that I fucking loved from that time and you know you have that feeling of being young again almost you mean or that whatever that is it's soundtracking like so your big life moments it's incredible man i mean music is so powerful for that that's why i think like it's it's good to i mean

it's good to keep listening to new music but there's something special about listening to music from that part of your life it's it's like different yeah i mean that's the thing and then i sort of had a lovely thing this morning of uh getting up with little g and uh yeah we had chapelle rone's uh album playing and i'm not the ternison but watching grace run around and having pink pony club on loop and she started to sing now along to the songs like that and it's just you know when she's dancing singing it's a very yeah up against what we do it's a fucking very cool thing isn't it do you know like music oh music is much better than comedy music is much better than comedy i mean i don't i don't think there's any conversation to be had about

that it's it's not you're not even in the same fucking league oh no it's like comedy is something like if somebody comes to if somebody comes to your best ever tour show the best ever tour show you you and I have ever done, like the fucking best, standing ovation or whatever. The next day, they'll go to work and somebody go, how was Tom last night? How was Romish?

Yeah, really funny. And then that's it. That's the end of it, right? You go to a music thing. You're talking about for fucking years. I want to see Cana at the Royal Albert Hall. I feel emotional when I think about it. Yeah.

Do you mean? Like, it's just the... I still think when J.D. play Glastonbury was one of the things that just even now can feel the fill it do I mean him coming out doing that you got your gut your gut it's one of my favorite

it's yeah well we came out doing Wonder War yeah into a mix that's fucking cool that's I had a not a weird experience but something basically I was out on Sunday right

I went to watch Arsenal Man City and that was my not drinking test it turned out was absolutely fine very proud of it had a great time Watched the game Went for dinner afterwards With Josh and Ross Had a great time

But I have this habit every now and again I'm saying do you know what I mean And Ross Midway through the dinner Said I said Yeah it's just I felt like

I don't know what I said I think Artetta should have been more positive In the first half Do you know what I mean? And he said Idi Amin Said what Because why you saying

Idi Amin said, I'm not saying Idi Amin, I'm saying, do you know what I mean? And all this time, up until that point, he thought my vocal tick was saying Idi Amin after I'd made a point. Look, a full stop. Yeah, like Idi Amin was somebody

that was very assertive about his views, and so that's what I was trying to get across. Say quickly, say, in common. Do you do it be three versions? Okay. You said, do you know what I mean, and see if it sounds like Idiomene. I think Arsenal need to be a bit more positive.

Do you know what I mean? I think Arsenal to be a bit more positive, do you I mean? No, yeah. I mean, it's so different. That's what I think. I suppose if it's in a busy restaurant. Yeah. Yeah, but then I started to get nervous that that's what he thought I'd been saying every time.

But then it feels weird to switch it up. I mean, I might start doing it. Yeah. I might start just switching it and see if people pick it up. Do you mean? Do you also put a... Because I said, do you know, a caffeine always jokes about it. I said, because that's what Frank Bruno sings was.

but she was like you sound like Frank Bruno when you do that yeah we look like Frank Bruno when you do the makeup and stuff and do the role play a lot of people loved it last night can we talk about

please Tom and I don't you and I have not spoken about this off podcast so I'd love to get your take on this Married at First Site yeah have you had any exposure to Married at First Site

this series the UK series I've watched a little bit I've really had to sort of take a step back because I get really, I get too involved in it, as you know, I start DMing people from the show. Yes, I know, yeah, you've got a problem. I've watched a bit, so I watched one the other night

when I got in, and I was watching, it's the couple of away, he's really trying as hard as he can. Yeah, okay, that's what I want to talk about. Yeah, so. Can I say, by the way, I watch him, it's very hard for me to watch him because there's a lot of stuff he does they're not in my relationship with Catherine

but my relationship with you and anyone else I find myself going back it's weird actually because I was watching it going I really should think I'm thinking about doing a podcast with this guy and why have I suddenly got that urge but but first can I just say look I know that they weren't very hard

and married at first sight I just want to make this very swift give you this very swift take on it it needs to be about half as long they need to do half the episodes the episodes to be half as long it's insane I get that they're trying to make it

as long as they possibly can but I do not need as many the recaps and like the just it's so long it takes ages that's my one criticism

apart from that's incredibly addictive but so you're talking about Sarah and Dean right so Dean is this guy for people that haven't watched it Dean is I think he wouldn't mind me describing, I mean he describes himself as this

he's an overweight guy very very enthusiastic and high energy Sarah is somebody literally these are the things that I think aside the overweight thing I think this is how when flowing people would write about

me as an act this is this is the stuff that's how I've described you in pitch documents but But so he's, like, very enthusiastic. Sarah is somebody who has admittedly said, I've always like bad boys, like guys that look like they've just come out of jail, tattooed up to the idols. Can I say, by the way, I still can't get my head around women saying that in this, in

2025. Why? Like, they go on that show going, I've been treated like shit, I've had an awful time. And then don't give me on. I'm asking her to like Dean, because I get the whole thing. They're not, I will say this, by the way, my biggest problem with that as a show, and I really enjoyed a show. I think it's some great TV.

I will say this, that I got into a place of watching it a little bit like with a Keanu Reeves head on with the guy, thinking, oh, people here are going to get married. It's very evident that most people there couldn't give a fuck about finding anyone. I'd say 80% of them are there for fame. I do. I think that is a prop. When you've got a show like that, I mean, that's true. any show like that. You watch the apprentice now and half of them are trying to, they're just

doing it to get a bit of profile. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's the nature of it. You know, that's why you pretended to care about cakes on bake off extra slice, you know, we all do it. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold the fucking fire, son. I adore cakes. I was saying there's some stuff I've done in my career that is fucking, but you, you, you, you've picked a fucking, you thought you had an ace there, mate, and that was a joke of my friend. I'm fucking... Me going on an NFL show

and talking about NFL is... That's a butt-fuck move. Me... Yeah, when are you doing that? About three weeks. But me... Me going on, bake-off. Bake-off. Cakes or something.

Yeah, I'm only talking the piss. Anyway... Any food thing, if you see him on a food show... Yeah, I'm... It's legit. It's authentic. Yeah. But anyway, that is... going to happen. And the producers of the show

have got to deal with that in their own way, right? So that's inevitable. But with the Sarah and Dean thing, first of all, what Sarah, Sarah says I want somebody completely different. She doesn't want somebody completely different. I don't think. I think she wants somebody that looks like a bad boy, has tattoos, looks like

her description was like, looks like they've just come out of prison. Basically, you would be, you'd be a good match. I don't think I look like I've just come out of prison. And certainly would I want to think out of the white collar crime that I look like I've come out of prison for. Yeah, but you could have been in, I don't know, you could have... You were after a prison, you're after a prison bad boy.

I managed to find a tax loophole that got my accountancy firm into quite a bit of hot walls, sir. I was on the wing where they left the doors open because they knew they could trust us to just stay behind bars. No, you were on a protected wing. The other prisoners had to be protected for us because it's so fucking dull. Yeah, oh God, fucking hell You got caught without a count

in case with all the toes I tell you, I've done some bad stuff in my time, don't you want to listen, I work for Watson and Meyer and on one occasion they, I was signed as a document so let me a pen

Oh, has anyone got some hot water and sugar they can throw in my head so I don't have to listen to this guy That was funny last time when you singed That was funny, yeah Obviously I'd have quite a serious

medical help for that. But it's all banter, isn't it? But no, honestly, they gave me the pen to side of the documents, only went in the old pocket, I had no idea. So literally just see someone throwing themselves off the top fucking floor. I used to go to Argos and clear it out. They didn't have a pen left after they got to the Crawley branch. Anyway, I think what Sarah wants is somebody looks like they just come out of prison, but they're actually, you know, respectful and

treat her nice. What she didn't want was Dean. sadly. Can I just say, by the way, and this is where it falls down for me, right? And I get it in making a TV show. Sarah is very, you know, and I think you're right, but I think, and she's very open in what, that she doesn't want Dean, right?

I look at it there and see how the implicated, I've only watched a couple of episodes, but when she, when she basically, he said, look, it's just because I'm overweight and she was like, yeah. Is that, it's for someone like Dean, it's like, I know he's gone

on there, and I'm, I'm just going to say, I think he's gone on there for fame as well. But what I'd say is that this happened a couple of years ago. I think we talked about it with the guy Bob, who went on and cried in every episode, right? The long-term, you know, the fact is I just think, I think if you're going to have, if that's the deal you're making and the people you get, you've got to make sure that,

I don't know, then it just becomes very toxic. It's the lesbian couple in there who I thought were loved, you know, but you go, oh, this shit's like it would be nice. And then when she turns around and says, I actually think tomorrow should just spend some time and I want some time alone. It's like all of it, I feel, it used to be, you know, you'd have maybe one relationship like that.

But now it feels everywhere, they're going into the honeymoon. And there's no one you go, oh, this is the bit where I can actually go, oh, you know, love is a thing. It feels like it's like everyone's trying to make their relationship the most toxic and the most horrific

before they've even fucking gone away together. And I think that's where the show's lost of it, I think. Well, I think that, you know, part of the problem is that people know that if they have a difficult time, then you get more screen time. You know, if two people really start to get on and then they're just having a nice time and they're go out for nice dinners and stuff, then they're moving together and it's fine. You sort of cut to them, and even as a viewer, you sort of, oh, God, okay, we know these guys are getting on all right, that's fine. Actually, what you want is you want to see the problems. But the thing is with, the thing is with Sarah and Dean is that Sarah has been slightly vilified by the public and people that are watching married. first sight because she simply doesn't like Dean and and you know this thing with Dean is like

he seems like a nice guy but he's made some let's say let's put his weight in how he looks to one side he did a rap at the wedding right now oh yeah yeah he said it was a thing that he done for her he's not he's not he's not he's not done it for her he's done it as a showcase of this is something he does he also he also did a song at the wedding so I you know and I don't think he's a bad guy I think he seems like a really nice guy I mean that's part of the problem as it seems like, or his perceived problem is that he's a really nice guy. But the truth of it is, is that is, that is, he is making the wedding about himself, right? Yeah.

In my opinion. And I think those are, those are fundamental errors he's made. Those are fundamental errors he's made. And actually, Sarah has not, it's not about how he looks entirely, which, by the way, is fine. If you're not attracted to somebody, you're not attracted to somebody. Yeah, of course. You know, you can talk about whether she should have a more than actually to get into. Completely, I mean, I didn't see the wedding.

But I will say he's going into that, going, I'm going to be the funny guy, and I'll be the fucking loud one. And if he'd been with someone who's probably a little less fiery and a little less sort of adamant of what they want, if he'd been someone who's probably sort of lesser than alpha in a sense, he'd have probably run riot and made, it would have been like the Dean show. And that's why the show is brilliantly cast, because he would have just made that whole thing as like, it's him doing fucking rap. It's him putting on a fucking show and he's got someone walking around and going, oh, Dean's amazing. And that's what they, you know,

that's why it's great. Yeah, and I feel like, I think that, I mean, a lot of the comments I've seen on, like the videos of it online of her sort of saying, like, you know, there's one bit where she goes,

they say, what could he have done to be more, for him to be more attracted? She'd go lose weight and get some tattoos. And she's just said that and got totally chastised for it. But the fact of the matter is, it's not just his look.

she finds him a bit cringe and he's got into this bit of a dynamic of going I'm a nice guy and I've never been loved or whatever Sarah is allowed to not be into this guy even if he's nice that's that's her that's her right I I by the way hadn't seen the rap at the wedding and the bit I saw where I was like you're doing like this is I think he again is just doing it for fame is when he's in bed and he starts barking I'm like she actually wake up and you having a nice conversation she seems like she's in a place where she was actually going okay maybe I'd you know in a new day new dawn and then he started sparking so for me I'm going

you're you know you're so I if between the two of them I don't think she's necessarily there for fame I think she was trying to find something else you know I think he's gone in there with that intention and but also it's edited together look what you're saying what's the clips they're using they're using clips of her being very horror about him so as a viewer you're watching and going

oh fucking hell she looks horrible i was sick and what's this instead of anything so it's all geared up for yeah the other thing that they say that i've seen in the comments is like what's she talking about she's not much to look at and you go well that this is part of the problem do you know what i mean it's like you can't you can't you can't counter it by going i don't think she's all that it doesn't matter if she's all that or not to you the fact of the matter is she she's not attracted to him and i think it's all right she's she from what i've seen so far she's been quite polite to him she's finding him a bit difficult and maybe there's a bit of

performative nature to the faces she's pulling and stuff like that but I feel like the whole thing's a bit icky man do you know what I mean like the reactions can I say by the way

if you want Icky go back to people who are on the show fucking three or four five years ago who are still trying to be relevant that's that's that's icky for me that's you know

and also by way now sort of coming back and having like laying into people who are on it now it's sort of yeah I don't know if If you take it for a show and that's what it is, it's like... Don't take it for a scientific experiment, I think would be my advice.

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Sattertime winners. by the seven-time world's best leisure airline champions Air Transat Now before we get into emails, Tomo, I would love to just spend a moment giving praise and thanks and good wishes and gratitude and love and support to the Belfast audience Amazing. What a crowd. What a crowd. Beautiful.

What a crowd. Need to slightly apologize to them because my voice was, it was not great. Not that I sang, but you know, I, I, uh,

I was that. You did sing, actually. What? You did sing. You sang your meth song that used to do. Oh, my God. I forgot about that.

I forgot about that. Well, I shouldn't have done that. I was very annoyed that. I was very annoyed that that didn't make it into the cut. Into the highlight. Into the high. Into the high. No.

Yeah. because what I love about these live shows is we're not recording them, what happens in the room happens, that won't ever happen again because it's just, it happens so naturally, but it was a beautiful.

Can I say, Amazing Belfast, adored you, I will never go toe to toe with you on Spice again. It took me out of the game, that burrito. Yeah,

so we had a burrito before the podcast. The show. Before the show. And it was an incredible burrito. Beautiful. Tasting amazing. I can't remember the name of the place.

It was, It's opposite our venue. Well, that doesn't really help, does it? And we'll have to try... Opposite the Opera House. Opposite the Opera House, whatever that brito place is in Belfast. Unbelievable.

And big shout to Dennis, who went out and got us the burritos because Tom thought we were going to get mobbed if we went in there. So, Dennis got the burritos for us. You're such a little snake. I'd love to have gone in there. You're such a vicious little curse.

Anyway, we had the brittos and they were quite spicy And they were fucking fire boy Yeah, anyway, I actually was all right I mean, I did think they were spicy Like I thought they were spicy for a mainstream palette Is what I would say But if you get in a spicy brittos You get a spicy burrito

Anyway, what I didn't anticipate Was that you were out of the game for what Two days afterwards? My guts were just hit Yeah, the ring sting that talk about Pebblegate the ring thing was biblical like biblical

like yeah the pebble was the pebble couldn't stand up to it yeah like let me say if you want something unscess let's dance around this because you know let's try and not get too graphic I know you like to give a big visual description and you submit photos to the gram if you could

but let's just try and be a little bit tasteful people might be in their breakfast as they listen to this I will say that arguably it's the least sexy thing Catherine's ever seen is me waddling downstairs and saying I ate a really farry

and I'm in agony and she was like oh okay how was Belfast nice to see you poor woman I was very yeah and I could feel the fire

it wasn't just I could feel it inside me what during the show no no during the show it was fine it was like literally about from about three o'clock that morning

till probably about yeah probably midday two days after. Well, let's, let's, I don't know, I don't, I don't, I don't want to give this as a spoiler, but I think this is okay. On League of their own last series, we were given, I don't, I won't give the context, but let's just say we ate, we ate some spicy vegan wings, right? Yeah, yeah.

And, um, yeah, and I am going to say, I know you said I wouldn't go to toe to tell you on the spice, that felt like a fucking alien face hugger was trying to burst out my stomach after I'd eat in that. That was a chemical burn and so much, so spicy you actually, they won't put this in the show, you were out of commission for about what? 10 minutes

where they were trying to, because you touched your eye? I got some in my eye. It was absolutely fucking insane. Wild. Yeah. I should say, I was quick as well, by the way apology, it was nothing to do with the burrito, but apology to it as well. I had to pull a gig, very gutted about this week. I've had a back problem

which I'm trying to get sorted. and not through just paint it was the corporate for back problems the corporate for back problems. A lot of people just sitting here going I want to laugh

I'm in so much pain I told you this I did a corporate could have I got diabetes news for you so you know I'm no stranger to pharmaceutical corporates

yeah so I was out of the game I feel very bad I hate pulling gigs for anyone who brought a ticket who went along I got a lot of messages some very supportive some very angry

I get it, but I'm very, very, I didn't do it likely, but I was not in a good way at all. I was in fucking agony. And then when the painkillers kicked in, I would arguably say that you're being on stage on very strong pale killers is not the one. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Should we do some emails, my gee?

Let's do it, my guy. Okay. This is more for you than it is for me, as is the nature of a lot of these. Hello you sweet souls I have a question about filming pilots And when those don't progress any further Well you've come to the right place If you

I actually thought it's going to be complimentary It is complimentary It is complimentary I was listening to The Wolf on Rob Bryden's podcast And he mentioned being involved in a pilot For a UK version Everybody loves Raymond After looking up

I saw that it won't become a full show So my question is Are you told in advance There's a chance it won't be picked up Do you still need to prepare for a pilot? as much as you would for a confirmed show. Thanks, lads. Regards the Critical Quaker.

P.S. Takeshi's Castle is getting a second season, right? So, Tom, over to you, my guy. There's a lot to unpack there. Yeah, I feel someone's going to be very upset at the end of this. Firstly, no, I mean, yeah, firstly, you go into a pilot,

I think you go into every pilot with the real hope that it's going to go to a series. I think it's never, I've never worked on anything that's a pilot that, has is a guaranteed series I think it's always just you sort of and there's stuff that I've done as a pilot um which I think's been brilliant I've been involved in whether it's just as a actor or you know as a writer and as a creator but some stuff you're going go and this is

this feels amazing and it's going to get a this is certainly get a series and it doesn't um I think that it's uh yeah and it's a real kicking a teeth for everyone involved from from from ground up really that when's because actually you know this is what would be Romish thing to say but I think like when you're I think Romish is a couple of examples where he's been very incredible at considering the crew on shows and I think that's the thing that you sort of I think when people work on pilots a lot of people are hoping that you know it goes to series because I think it can be you can be it's not just about the on-screen talent there can be a you know

people are heads of department that you've taken sort of from you know it might be first job and it's you know they confirm then that if it goes to a series that it's a big step up for them and you know so i think it's there's a lot of people involved in it and it um and like anything like you try and go for job or you know jobs or you know go for auditions or it never gets any easier if you if you put in a lot of you know time effort and love into something and it and it doesn't happen it can be uh yeah but you yeah you learn to sort of deal with it and you i guess um i mean i'm saying that someone who sort of in the midst of this

very situation at the moment. But yeah, so it's and the everyone loves Raymond I don't think that even ever TX I think we that was 12, 13 years ago which was a anyway. And as

the Takeshi's castle. You're getting quite sad. You're getting quite saddened now. Oh yeah, but it does make me sad I was thinking of all the kicks, the knocks. But then there's some that at the time are killers, there's some that I've had where I'm like, oh this is We were told it's going to go, it doesn't, and then you realize that, you know, that was just a step in, you learn in, you know, writing, performance, whatever. Takeshi's Castle, I think I'm fair in saying it doesn't look like there's going to be another series.

So the truth about Takeshi's Castle is, is that it actually did very well, and like people liked, I feel bad saying complementary things about ourselves. but the show did well. Our Takeshi's Castle did well. Unfortunately, Takeshi's Castle itself didn't do very well the actual original show. And so they've stopped making them. So the situation is that if they were making more Takesh's Castle, you'd be seeing more of Tom and I doing our take on it. Unfortunately, what happens is if you do Takesh's Castle voiceover without Takesh's Castle, you get the wool for now. And nobody wants more of that. So that, that's That's kind of where we're at with it. So there's not going to be a second six. But with regards to pilots, Critical Quaker, first of all, thank you for your email. And it's very polite and lovely your email. But there's all sorts of reasons to do pilots.

And sometimes a pilot is for you to find your fee. It's actually useful. It's not a proof to the channel. It's actually more of a kind of can we iron out the kinks in this before we... And you do loads of non-TX pilots. And the fact of the matter is that you get paid for doing... pilots. So you are, it's not like you're going and doing it for free and seeing what happens.

Obviously, you're hoping it goes to series and you're disappointed when it doesn't, but you're putting the same level of effort in as you would do if it was a series. There's a little bit of nagging kind of, I hope this gets away and there's part of you that if you're really enjoying it, you think, oh, this would be a shame if this is the last time I've ever do this. But yeah, you have pilots for all sorts of reasons. You commit to them just as much as you would if it was a series. I've been involved in so many pilots that haven't gone anywhere. I've been involved in run-throughs, I haven't gone anywhere. It just happens.

It just happens. And like Tom says, you do feel for the crew, particularly at the moment when, you know, less TV is being made or TV's in a little bit of a, I think it's turning round, but TV's been going through a little bit of a barren patch. You do feel for the people, there are people that have been working in TV, their whole lives that have left the industry over the last few years because of what's happened.

And, like Tom says, you always feel for the crew. I do want to take a time to give a shout out to people. production teams and crews and all those people that do those jobs. Because Tom, I'm sure Tom won't mind me saying this. We kind of work the least harder of everybody on those shows, is the honest truth of it. And so those guys really work their asses off. So big shout out to them. But no, there won't be a Takeshi's Castle too.

Sorry. Sorry about that. It's not up to us, though. Oh, Tom. Yo. Okay. I just want to share this with you. I've just got to find it.

So at the Belfar show, as is the way with all of these shows that we're going to do, the second half is dealing with listener emails and people that are at the show who have come in. And on the Belfar show, one of the emails we read out was from somebody called Sophie. Yeah, show of Sophie. Whose other half had not taken her out on a date and she's very annoyed about it. And so she sent an email going, could you shame him to take him out on a date? We read the email out and then we said, Sophie, you there? and horrifyingly there was no response.

We then kind of tried to really get Sophie to speak up and I think it was flirting on the edges of being awkward. Yeah, that's great. And so we assumed either Sophie had gone or the email had not got down very well with her other half, which has happened in the past. We've talked about it. Anyway, Sophie has got in touch.

Okay, okay. Apologies for the delayed email. I'm Sophie from the Belfast Show, the one who nearly melted into her seat from sheer sweat and panic. I've never felt so many eyeballs burning into me in my life. When my email popped up on the screen, my husband hissed, holy God, is that you, Sophie? I thought it was comedy gold. He, however, was raging.

Tom was right. I was seconds away from legging it to the bar. Silver lining, though, the embarrassment has earned me a rare prize. My husband's actually taking me on a date. Miracles do happen. Sorry I didn't own up. I would have loved a little chinwag. Sophie. So there you go. That's what happened.

Wow. Well, she was there. Yeah, yeah. So she was there, but she was just horrified that we'd read out the email and and I do think it's worth saying if you do email in, it's incredibly likely that we will read it out. Yeah, it's not that many people emailing in. No. Yeah, I mean. We get loads of emails into the podcast. What we don't get is as many emails into people can to live shows. One, because it's fewer people.

And two, because I know there's a chance you're going to get spoken to and people feel a bit unsure about that, which is understand it might get. But can I say one of the most heart-wornly things was the student, the ex-student of yours, who was in the audience and led to you singing your math song that used to sing for the kids,

which is beautiful, I'd say this. Well, he pulled out, Tyler Cole, it was Tyler Cole, who's getting married very, very soon. We're invited to the wedding, so congratulations. Very exciting. But he unlocked a core memory of a song I used to sing to get people to remember the equation of a line.

and thankfully we had Rob Percy there DJing and he was able to tee up the backing music and I was able to give an impromptu performance, yeah. Yeah, big shout to Rob Percy. He's going to be with us at all the shows. So that was, yes, it was an experience. It was an experience. You know what?

What's beautiful is you threw yourself into that singing of that mess song and it was actually genuinely. You took something it could be quite cringy and you made it really wholesome and fucking a lovely thing to witness. No, that's very sweet. You'd say, and you sort of have to say that in order to encourage people to come to the future shows. But cynicism aside, thank you for saying that.

I appreciate it. And, Sophie, I hope we've not now got you into further trouble by reading out that email. I'm hoping it's all taking... And I hope the date went well. Maybe send some pictures of the date to the Instagram and, yeah. Yeah, well, Tom went to say the email there, but it occurred to him that he's forgotten the email address

because he's got such little involvement with the actual administration of the emails and sawing it all out for the shows. and sending it across and making sure we've selected the right ones and all of that. Tom very much doesn't dirty his hands with that side of things. He just sort of rocks up and reacts

and kind of complains about what's been chosen and stuff. While he talks about how he's desperately needs a shit because of the burrito he's just had. So there you go. Anyway, that's a little insight behind the curtain. Very, very true one as well.

You'll see that in the up and coming behind the scene. documentary. Oh yeah, it's good. Actually, we thought we were just going to put it out for free, but Netflix have come sniffing around. There's some electric content being filmed behind the scenes. It's like the last dance. To give you an idea of how poor the content was, Calvin, the guy filming, said, oh, sorry to interrupt a private chat, and we're like, oh, we thought this was us being entertaining. Oh, I love it. Oh, my guy.

All right, Tomo, it's about that time, my G. Could you do us the honour of taking a saddle? Wellington boots or sandals, baby? But do the same job? But do they? Ah, Wellington boots. Keep you safe in the puddles and sandals, aka flip-flops.

Great to flip on, flip off. or flip on when you go to the beach. Truth is you reach for different things for different times in your life.

Sometimes you need an umbrella. Sometimes you need a sun hat. What are you going on about Tom? What does any of this mean?

Guess what I'm saying is the tools in which we need to get through a day may change. The infrastructure in which we need to get through

every day is the same. Be good, be true, be you. Every now and again, something that lights up the sky and I'm not talking about the sun, nay fireworks. I'm talking about a moment, a moment where you can go, hey, I'm there. It's very easy not to be present. It's very easy to be thinking of, hey, tomorrow I've got to do this or next Tuesday I've got to do that. Shit, Christmas is

coming. Better get some presents or even harbour thoughts of the past. Thoughts that aren't all healthy. But actually to be in a moment, to be there, not thinking of anything else, just letting yourself go, land yourself fall. Like the song, free falling from the motion pitch of Jerry McGuire. Is he falling or is he climbing? Same thing kids. What I'm saying is this. Pick the moments. It's a big swing now. Sometimes you've got to think forward. Sometimes you've got to go back. Pick the moments when you're present. But make sure at least once a day you can kick off your shoes. No, keep them on.

The mud may be dry. And just feel grounded. Just feel you. Just take a breath. Close your eyes. And let the world hit you like a tidal wave. And remember,

you're enough for you. Fuck me. Fuck me. Another one that was like the end of Lord of the Rings. Thank you. Thank you so much. Tom and thank you to you Animal Pack

for listening to this little piece of crap we call the Wolf on our podcast. I look forward to seeing you at the live shows. Tom you mentioned free falling but you also talked about Oasis so I'd love to hand over the song selection to you. What do you want to go for? Because I

was going to pick an Oasis song but it would be too obvious for you. As the Oasis fan, why don't you hit us up with something? It's very hard because the song that really resonated with me last night is the I's song Acreus So if you will

JT, could you take a set with Aqueas? Thank you so much guys We'll see at the live shows Much love Peace Boom I hope that I can say The things I wish I said

So sing my songs to sleep And take me back to bed You want to be alone When we can be alive Instead If we need each other, we believe in one another, and I know we're going to walk over, we're sleeping in half the road. If you have a problem, opinion, feedback or anything at all, please email us at wolf-alpod at gmail.com. That's wolf-alpod at gmail.com. We'd love to hear from you,

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