Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 40: Back Chat & Extreme Manspreading

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

We’re talking… running thin on material, under-promoted performances, desperate Insta videos, an amazing live show in Birmingham (thanks to all that came!), owl jokes, Tom’s back injury controversy and a grilling from a Daily Mail journalist about it, an extreme case of manspreading on a plane and rowdy behaviour on flights. Plus, some background info on the Thundercats and an email question about cheek-kissing in dreams. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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its head spinning just kidding every word in his song's about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog Welcome to the Wolfen Hour podcast Inside the Place Oh my gosh, just a little bit harassed because yeah, anyway, it doesn't matter, it's so boring to tell the animal pack why it is such a it's uh what's insane is at the moment we're in a situation where we're doing like seven podcasts essentially in two weeks

yeah i mean it's it's for the we've always pushed the line uh in terms of are we going to dry up and for many people that i say some episodes are a direct example of you drying up but uh this time round we are doing this week we're doing this we're doing two hackneys and then is that Dublin. And one more of these and then a Dublin. One more of these and then a Dublin. Yeah. I mean, the Dublin situation, can I say in all of our friendship, your Dublin video is my favourite video you've ever done? Well, I've actually received some, a friend of mine contacted me and said, why have you

done such a desperate video? And then I said to him, because the problem is, it's like, the problem with doing videos like that is, obviously it's like, it's, it's, it's, It's truth wrapped in comedy, right? Like, I'm not really, you know, I'm not really desperate, but it's, you know, but the sales aren't amazing, right? Oh, the sales are ropey as fuck. Yeah. What I love, by the way, is all the animal pack people getting in touch

and we didn't know you were coming to Dublin. Oh, my incredible. Absolutely incredible. Like, the number of messages have got going, oh, Wolframers in Dublin. Go, yeah. We have talked about it quite a bit. Well, I don't think we talk about. I think that what we're guilty of is putting something on,

not promoting it, then complaining that it hasn't gone the way that we should... That is our... And look, it's a toxic pattern and it's one that we keep repeating. It's a generational curse. By the way, can I say,

you had to do that video on the basis that Flo's opinion was I've done so many desperate, pathetic videos. I'm essentially the boy who cry wolf on Instagram now. Yeah, but I mean, if somebody said to me, you shouldn't let on,

you know, you shouldn't let on that that's going on, but I sort of think, yeah, you should. By the way, I'm... I'm never going to be one of these people who knows that. I think you have to be honest with it. But when you see people go packed out rooms, smashed room and see empty seats in the room,

I don't think it's anything worse than that. I think going like, yeah, the ticket sales aren't great. The ticket sales are fucking champolling. I mean, at the moment, can I say, by the way, the biggest winner out of our Dublin show will be Gratz. Gratz is very excited about going to Dublin. Yeah, he is.

He's incredibly excited. But I would say, look, you know, there's an argument that, you know, people saying, oh, I didn't know you're out in Dublin, it's a suggestion that the audience need to get the message. The fact that it's not, it's sold the way it has, there's a strong suggestion that you and I need to get the message. And that is that Dublin, yeah, Dublin doesn't like us. Yeah, can I say, but we are, but people that are coming to the Dublin show, it's going to be off the heasy. We'll probably be sat next to you. You know, like, I think.

based on the last... I think we should start in the crowd and then move on to the stage. But I actually think we can do it person to person, like a, you know, like a table magician. Because parents evening. Yeah, I think we can come around and sort of do

and actually have an individual chat with you and go, okay, what is your issue? And you don't have to have it broadcast. And we just work our way around the room. It's a tight half an hour. Look, why we're going... Let's turn negative Nelly and turn its head and go into positive p, yeah?

my guy, Birmingham was a feeling. Birmingham, for me, I've got to say, I think Birmingham might be my favourite Wolf in our life you've ever done. I don't, I'm very loath to jinx things, but when we walked on stage and started talking, within about two minutes, I thought this is going to be the,

this is going to be like one of the best ones. And so much fun. Birmingham crowd bang up for it. Yeah. Simon the plumber has reached out from the Birmingham show. Not reached out to me, And I think that is...

No, no, no, this is where... No, no, can I just say... Doesn't follow me, follows you. Okay. I'm not sure he knew the podcast was... What the podcast was. I think he just turned up on a wing and a prayer. But a sweet, sweet so at that.

And, yeah, I mean, for some reason, obviously, a bigger fan of the owl than the wolf. But a good man. Is that the end of that story? No, he just reached out, saying how much he enjoyed it? He said, if his joke fell on deaf ears, it was, you know, he cracked it.

I don't want to go too much for people who own in Birmingham. Yeah, it's like, you know, when you've been on a stagler and someone else didn't come. I think we can share Simon's joke. So, big shout out to Simon Le Plumman. Sweet Simon. Yeah. He told this joke. And actually, I don't know if it was like the nerves of the thing or the fact that he was, you know, he was a bit far away and not on Mike.

So he told this joke and this is a, this is, what is the best, what is the best owl? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. What is the best owl? Teat. and then we didn't get that and obviously it's

a teetail a teetail yeah a teetail a teatel anyway we went what and then I think quite a lot of I feel like Simon

you sort of received a little bit of kind of of laughter at him but it was actually our thickness that you know yeah well maybe we were caught in the crossettes yeah and yeah but a fun

an amazing evening Birmingham did not let us down. Thank you very much, Birmingham. Anyone coming to Dublin, rest assured, we are buzzing for it. We are going to be there. We're going to absolutely smash the roof off the place best we can in a conversation between two people on the stage. By the way, can I say, oh, Rob Percy.

Ow, wow, ow, I'm still fucking, still burnt from how on fire Rob Percy was in Birmingham. God, I couldn't figure out. Do you know what, this is the tragic thing of our ages. I couldn't figure out. rollercoastered between is he doing a bit or has he actually got some sort of illness from like some sort of injury from trying to touch his keyboard or something it's a sort of thing that we that's just starting to get my actions is it's a sort of thing that can happen to us at our age you know one minute you're you're going to get some

cheerios the next minute you're dealing with a serious vertebra issue you know I mean I've been I've had a lower back issue for about three weeks yeah it's just not going away very well you got yourself you know if you don't mind me saying time you got it's something to a little bit of shit as a result of your incessant need to post your every single moment on Instagram. Because you obviously got a back injury which meant you had to pull out of a gig. And then the next thing you did was obviously splashed all over the front page of your Instagram. Do you know what I mean? Like you're some sort of Hollywood star that needs to keep everyone updated.

But that actually slightly led to your public downfall because I noticed some people going, Um, you know, with the, the emoji, the thinking face emoji, um, I was under the impression that he had back issues only a couple of days ago. Hmm. Can I, can I say the back issues are still ever after? I'd love you to refute the allegations. Okay, here we go. Did you, I'm going to do, I'm going to do, let's do this, let's do this, let's do this

the big thing of, let's do this like a journalist, okay, you're a judge, yeah, you're a judge, I'm a, I'm a journalist, you've been, you've got into trouble. What's your name? journalist's name? Norris Flunderbutt. Norris Flundabut? What paper? What paper do you work for? What paper

do you work for? Let's go Daily Mail. No, Deli Mail. No, okay. What name would be better for Daily Mail then? This is how I'm going to answer the questions is going to be, yeah. So, Tom. Oh, Norris, how are you?

Would you like a cup of tea, Norris? Where are? Are we in your house? You know, well, you can't bit my house or my cafe that I owned. Okay. Hi, Tom. It's Norris from the Daily Mail. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I've just introduced myself.

I know you are. I was obviously restarting. Oh, okay. All right. Okay. So, hi, Tom, it's Norris from the Daily Mail. Oh, nice to meet you. Yeah.

Thank you so much for chatting to me. Yeah, no, thank you for getting on board with this whole back for sick fiasco. I'm absolutely. Oh, it must be tricky. also so can I also first of all thank you for getting behind our roundabout painting fundraiser that was great to have your support well weirdly that's actually where a lot of the back problems started right yeah you know putting up flags painting roundabouts yeah yeah it was a lot more heaving the small boats back into the water yeah yeah yeah to be fair I didn't get too involved in that

There were some younger fitter boys who did that, delicious young specimens. Interesting. Anyway, Tom, should we just get into it? Yeah, Norris, well, Norris, let me just tell you this. And when I say this, I want to be organic, I want to be open, and I want to be efforescent. I need you. Sorry, Tom, sorry to interrupt you, I don't want to interrupt your flow. You've sort of used, well, it's difficult.

You've made sort of two quite fundamental errors in that sense. instance. You've said you want to be organic. I'm not sure that is appropriate in the context of what you're using. You've also said efforescent, which I think is you trying to say effervescent, which would also be incorrectly used. So just obviously because this is going into print, I just sort of trying to figure out what exactly I... Well, you can do someone to pick up on that noise. What I want to tell you is this is a unique and quite harboring story. Hmm. Okay. Just let me just, can I just note this down? Tom managed to make three quite fundamental English language mistakes in in 30 seconds.

Okay, off you go, yeah. Okay, so what are your questions, Norris? Oh, right, yeah. So, well, I guess my first question is, well, you know, if you could set the scene for me, I suppose, is that you were unable to make a gig as a result of a back problem. So could you just give us a little bit of background into what the gig was, the journey towards you sort of having to pull up. I sort of haven't finished asking the question, but okay, yes.

So, so Norris, to be quite open about this, I'd been suffering with a bad back for quite some time and bravely just getting on with my life. Sorry, I mean, you forgive people for being surprised, bearing in mind that you did one of your hilarious time-lapse press-up videos, not that long before this. And obviously, you're constantly not dirty. And you might say,

that maybe physically I was pushing myself beyond the pale. I was in pain, but I'd also... Tom makes fifth mistake. Sorry, go on. Yeah, sorry. Do carry it. I was pushing myself well without, through the pain barrier, to get this challenge in which I actually raised quite a paltry sum in the end.

It was quite embarrassing from the end. How would you respond to the allegations that the press-up exercise was a bit of an ego boost for you, and you were more concerned about the Instagram story post than you were about the actual charity? Well, the charity was actually put some of my own money in, and I actually am very concerned with the charity. I mean, I've been quite open about this, and I don't want this to take a dark turn, Norris, but it's a very important challenge to me. So your facetiousness and ignorance has caused quite a eruption within this interview process, if you see,

don't mind me saying, Norris. Tom became spiky and made yet another error. Yes, do go, well, I'm so sorry to have anything said. So my body had been pushed, but yet I wouldn't, as you know, Norris, I'm sure you know me. I was not going to back down. And that became the problem. But if you pardon the pun. Norris, there's no joking matter when it comes to back issues.

Right. I love joking, like Norris, you should know, I love laughter more than anything. Sound of a child laughing, an old person, you know, wheezing out a gentle, chuckle, but this isn't about laughter. This is about a back injury that meant I couldn't bring laughter to the people of Rick Winsworth and Potter's Bar. I mean, obviously the back injury is forming the spine of this interview. Is that another joke, Nice? Do you want it to be? Norris, when I agreed to meet you, you heard DM me said that this was a very important piece about not just for me, but for both of us, Norris, for your career, because everyone at work, think

sure a bit of a wally and you thought you could get sort of you know a front-page story from this and I believe that this these two council gigs are important for everyone to talk about but if you're just going to come here and seemingly crack jokes and be an input nink-and-poop then I think this interview will be over soon okay well I'm I can only I can only I can only apologize so so what's the story how are you able to Norris now what you're doing is you're rushing Have you interviewed someone before Norris? This is your first interview, isn't it? It's not, it's not.

It's not, it's not. Norris, relax. Take a breath, Norris. Look me in the eye. I actually, I actually, uh, I recently interviewed, uh, um, Jess Glynn about the, the, the, the jet two advert. Great advert. Yeah. But this isn't about jet two.

This is about a bad back, my friend. Sure. This is about injury. It's about a crisis. You've done the happy stuff. Welcome to the sad neighborhood. Okay. Sorry, you know, please, so what was the story then?

Norris, can I just ask why you made the judgment not to take off your shoes when I'm coming into my house as well? I've got to be honest with you up until you said that I was under the impression we were in a cafe. Well, a cafe is my home. I live above it. Okay. I can take my shoes off now, if you like. Can I ask you one final question, Tom? Do you think this bit needs an end? Here's the end. Look at me, Norris. Every night I go to bed and I think of the people

of potter's bar and ricks. Why have you put your hand on my shoulder? That I let down. I've put both my hands on both your shoulders, and now I'm going to touch your face if that's okay. I don't consent to this. Norris. If I could turn back time on my back wasn't bad,

then I would turn back time, my friend. But my back was in serious, serious disarray. And I had to have some painkillers, which were very, very, very, very numbing, but also completely knocked me out. I think I might be addicted to those painkillers now. That's another story for you. So, Norris, if you will. Would you, could I just, just, just one quick question, Tom.

Do you think this is information you should have delivered to your friends outside of a roleplay? The animal pack are my friends. They're my kid. Sure. Okay, so it's, yeah. So something like that. Okay. Yeah, fine.

I'll write it up. It's probably not going to go in the main paper. It'll be online. Anyway, you had a back injury. How is your back, by the way? It's still pretty painful. I've not been able to work out probably for two weeks, which comes with its own problems.

I don't know how you get with that. I really find it very difficult, or not to be, but I've been told by the doctor not to do any heavy lifting or, so I could do body weight stuff, which essentially when you're sick, you know, when you're me, still heavy lifting, right? Yeah, I mean, I had a few back problems a few weeks ago, and the doctor said to me, I could do any heavy lifting, but then I said, no, I've got to keep doing the podcast.

My God. My guy, is it King Zing? How have you been anyway, Mike? Well, I believe by the time, I think either by the time or tomorrow, what I've been doing is going to be, what I've been doing is going to be announced. But anyway, I've been away filming. I flew, I'm going to display a level of ignorance here, and a lot of people are going to sort of say,

Good, Rommis, you really are. I was out of touch, as Tom has suggested, in the podcast. I didn't realize you could book a Jet 2 flight without being on a Jet 2 holiday. What do you mean? well I thought jet two is just like a package thing I don't think I'd yeah but then I thought like you book a jet two package holiday

you go on a jet two plane and it really could just get on a jet two plane I didn't realize that was the thing otherwise a planes would be empty after time no you make a fair point anyway that I was flying I was filming abroad and then I got a jet two flight back is that is that the thickest thing I've ever said

that how is jet two how was jet two how did you find them the flight well this is what I'm going to talk to you about, because if I was a member of the animal pact that was, didn't have the privilege of actually being on the podcast, I'd probably be sending this in an email. Right. And it would go something along the lines of, dear wolf, owl, swan and cat, thank you very

much for the sweet, sweet podcast. It's cheered me up on many a morning. However, I do find myself with a little bit of a dilemma, and I find myself wondering, in the old cliche, am I the asshole? Oh, wow. And I'll tell you why. I was recently flying back from a job abroad and obviously had the wolf for now in the headphones, locked and loaded, ready to help me a while away those sweet, sweet hours as I sat on the plane. As I, first of all, the thing that I didn't understand, and one of my friends rinsed me for us, I didn't realize that you could get on a jetty plane without having booked a package holiday. who's very gracious about it but I couldn't help find myself wondering if I really was a bit of a thicko

for that lack of understanding anyway, cut to the chase long story short I get onto the plane and I sit down what are you laughing at? I just weirdly thought of getting you a t-shirt as a young dumb and full of gum

The problem is only one of those things is true spot the lie Okay I go to sit down Anyway I'm going to forget this email thing The point is I sit down Next to this guy

And he's like He's quite He's a big fella I've got no issue with big fellas Got an issue with big anyone One of your best friends But it's a big fella Yeah

But like he Basically He's man spreading Across To the the point where, so I sit down and as I sit down, my, I'm not exaggerating, my

descent to my seat is obstructed right, because he's sort of... So are we talking arms, legs, body? Arms and legs. He's sort of sat across, and he's sort of like that, his arms are sort of like that, you know, big and, like, he's widened

his sort of proud chicken kind of stuff. So you're saying, he's like a, yeah, he's like a daddy long lids in retreat. Yeah, and then his legs are wide open. I'm trying to avoid contact because I feel like... Is he in the middle seat, by the way? He's in the middle seat, yeah. His wife and all his other half is on the other side.

Yeah. Anyway, to the point where I'm like... The flight was at 11 o'clock at night, so I'm hoping to get some sleep on this flight. No chance. Nor on a jet too, brother. That's the last bastion of the party, by the way. A lot of people.

So I sit down on the seat, but where I'm sort of trying to avoid him, I feel like I basically, you know, I'm not sat straight. So I kind of just try and adjust myself as much so I possibly can. I'm over to my side of the sea, but where he's kind of man-spreading, the whole of my left arm and my left thigh is constantly in contact with this man. Jeez. That's insane. Did you not say anything?

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See your local Nissan dealer today. What would you have done in this situation? Because I did do something, but before I tell you what I did, I'd love to know what you think. I'm going to be, I would have said, bro. for real? Like this, this? I'd have been... Would you said, would you, with the first words you said to this man have been

bro for real? I'd have done a few... Bro for real. I'd have done a few tuts probably first. And then, but then I'd have been, are you for real? Like, I think when you've got, when you come into a situation like this, right, and you've got someone who's got

so much little regard for the people around him, there's no way of being nice and go, oh, excuse me, are you okay, just to badge up a little bit so I can have the seat that I've paid for straight away he's going to see you as weak right so you have to go in horrible what a horrible way of looking at the world by the way yeah but I'm talking about this piece of scum that's what this idiot is this is a fool he's gone through his life and he'll just he thinks that he his presence is

bigger on anyone else can I say by the way as a big man at someone at six seven I get on a plane I try and make myself as small as I can I try and sort of I try to pull my pull my legs together like that I might turn around, sit side, side also. Do you spend the whole flight in the brace position just to really help people out? No, I'm not far away from that. I mean, like, I tried to get a seat with leg room.

By the way, I'm going to say this as a threat. If you're not disabled or, like, elderly, or when I get on a plane and see, you know, those legs are all of the legrooms. I'm sorry, just for context, he was elderly and heavily disabled. I should have said that. When you see people in the legroom seats, you're quite sure I don't need them.

And when you're six, seven, it's a fucking horrible flight when you're crammed in anyhow I should yeah I should get back sort of safe what the fuck's wrong with you I've had a mental break

about down I've this is something I feel quite passionately about so so when you're dealing with someone like this and I have dealt with when you get three big people sitting in the leg room seats

you'll always get one person trying to play alpha that's how it is. So you have to be, you have to be firm back. What did you do? Well, here's the situation from my point of view. I sort of sat down. I was quite tired.

So when I get tired, I second-guess myself quite a bit because I feel like you get grumpier and what I don't want to do is overreact to the situation. You have a tendency to sort of, you know, one has a tendency to kind of snap slightly too soon if you're a bit knackard.

So, and then I looked at it in with that sort of in a non-confrontation way, to figure out how much of this is sort of a lack of consideration and how much of it is just the physicality. I'm trying to figure out, because if I say, what I'm nervous about is going,

bro, for real, and what I'm asking him to do is shrink. It's impossible. Yeah, yeah, but no one needs to sit like that. So I looked at him and I couldn't figure it out, right? He's like, I think he's probably in his 50s, mid to late 50s. And he's quite a big fellow, like as in tall,

but also, you know, he's, um, Returned. Yeah, yeah, I guess, yeah. So I'm looking at him, and I'm thinking, I don't know if he can do anything about. I'm sort of thinking, can he do anything about this? But then this is the point where I look across at the other side and his wife looks very comfortable.

And then I realize what's happened here is, is I am being sacrificed to, in order to, for them to have, like, you know, themselves a comfy little time. Right. And, you know, if anybody's side of their body should be in constant contact with this man, it should be your wife, surely, right? Your betrothed. Anyway, regardless of all that, Tom, I still didn't say anything. You still said nothing?

No. I tell you what I did. It's a four-hour flight as well, right? How the hell do you know that, Tom? Because I know why I'm fucking great. I could have been an airplane plane pilot, or one of the people who organized his flights. A lot of the, like, do you know, Dinesh did a pilot train, you know, he's not a fully qualified. a pilot. And he said one of the most difficult

bits of that pilot training was knowing roughly how many hours it takes to get anywhere. Really? No. What the fuck you're talking about? I thought I might have passed the fucking hardest bit and then it would all be... I'm fucking great, by the way, on plane simulators. Yeah. I'm fucking great on them.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The landing I'm not as good at but the rest of it I'm pretty fucking banging. I can sit there for four hours. I think one of the exams didn't fail because they gave him like a simulation of a dodgy landing and he managed to sort of land it and stuff and they said well done and he said but before I can give you the past do you know sort of about how long it takes to get to Portugal and it wasn't truly I'm so sorry

so you said nothing you just sat there no so violated well yeah this is what I did and you're going to think I think you're going to I say lose respect for me I can't I know that you I know you're going to to say that, you know, I love you, you're my gift of my kid. But I know that in these situations, your respect for me is slightly lower, isn't it, in these, in these sort of

scenarios? No, no, all I'm going to say is this, right? All I'm going to say is this, number one, was the flight full? Yes. Wow, there's a full flight. Okay, so, not completely, not, I don't know, anyway. So, but it was busy. So this is what I did. I sat down next to him, and then gradually what I did was I physically asserted myself in the space so, so whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're doing a fucking very, very, very, very,

so, so without saying anything, without saying anything, I gradually sort of over the course of, I'd say, 45 to 60 seconds, just put gentle push, gentle push, gentle push, then all of a sudden, guess who got his fucking seat back? Do you know what? Wow. Fucking hell. You know?

That is, that's... See, actually, I do respect that. Yeah. I do respect that. I reclaim my land. You were like a silent assassin. I'm starting to feel like I know how those guys feel, man. I can send them out.

But, no, it's... So that's what I did. That's what I did. Have you seen the footage of the, uh, right in air flight where there was a big fight and the guy gets from... Yeah, I have seen it. He sort of like smashes into the seats opposite, right? It's like, it looks pretty...

And then his son is also arrested. For what? Not backing him up? No, I think his son's going... I mean, I couldn't see his son. his son did too much wrong but you don't you know he's just going that's my dad that's my dad and next thing you know he's put into an arm lock and dragged through the aisle but it was uh have you ever been on a flight when anything like that's happened that is one of the most

intimidating things in the world ever i've never i don't think i've ever seen anything like that i mean i was i was on the flight back from greece with leech and the kids when the air traffic control went down and we're stuck on the plane for on the runway for 90 minutes and they sent us back into the airport and it didn't get anything like that but you could feel it was getting a bit basically i think you and i've said this before we're all one or two incidents away from descending into full fucking lord of the flies right and that's kind of what that's kind of what happened on this flight was that we got sent back to the airport and you could feel like a little bit of disturbance in the force whatever and people get an upset and then christian guru murphy texted me to ask

me if i could ask me if i could record a video for it for channel four news but like Wow, really? Yeah, but I've never seen... How don't you know you're on the flight? Because I put up a post going like, I just put up a little photo of me miserable on the plane going, this is my fault for having a good time, just like a stupid, jockey, like photo.

And then... The sort of thing that I put up and you go, oh, you fucking have show sharing, mate. I'm trying to think what your post would be like because I don't think it would be... This is my fault for asking him a good time. I think it might be... Plone Deloid

but still managing to look funky fresh stay strong out of there sweet sweet souls something like that probably will be that I meet Catherine were on one

years ago and it kicked off on a flight and it is actually like one of the most intimidating things to be like because there's no way out mid-air and the feeling

that the poor stewardesses who aren't really they're putting the physically you look at and go and then what happened is because it was quite a way back from where we were and it kicked off towards the back of the plane and then

other passengers tried to get involved to sort of do the right thing and before you know it it becomes an absolute fucking, it was almost like a riot on a plane. It's like Conair. It was fucking terrifying. I'm not even going to yeah. And then Catherine was getting very nervous. The person

next was on their own getting very terrified. I was on the aisle I had the thing where my legs throughout them and because I had to sort of swing them around so sort of just my knees were sort of hanging over the aisles I wasn't sort of touching people next to me that person being my wife so I sort of went like that and then you've got this thing every time someone comes past you sort of swing them back in just like it's like it like I'm a gate and I was sort of talking to Catherine and this other woman trying to calm down so I think it'll be all right I think

and one of the stewardesses and sort of someone else but they they had the trolley thing and they came past really quickly to get the trolley way and the bang into my legs was so fucking hard like I had tears in my eyes I was sort of like it was awful

and yeah it was a fucking they talk then about landing the flight they were like we might have to land this flight well Aidan Spackman who was on his way out for this job that I was doing

he was like he was flying out to film by the way I can imagine Adrian Spatman's flight outfit's amazing every outfit he's so well Yeah, but he's so well-dressed.

I feel like such a slight next to Aden's Backman. I'd be an attractor, and he'd be wearing sort of like, a little like Nicholas Cage in 1994. Yeah. Leather jacket, high-wasted trousers, looking sick. Hmm. It was a weird journey through that, I think, what you believe was a compliment.

But his plane got diverted because somebody could smell burning plastic on it. What? Yeah, and then that's a land, like, halfway, and then they'll let it get off the plane and then they'd check the burning plastic thing couldn't they check it on the plane? I don't know. Apparently it's procedural to land in those settings. Yeah, if you can smell

burning plastic is one of the worst smells. Here's a tip for you. If you're on a flight and you're sort of going over a city that you quite like the look of, just tell one of the staff that you smell burning plastic. I think there's got to be like you've got to look around who else can smell burning plastic. It's like BEO, isn't it? If you say

who else can smell BEO, a lot of people go, oh, okay, because they don't want to anyone to think it's them. I mean, I've never, ever heard those words said that aloud. Who else can smell B-O? And it came to your mind's eyes so quickly that I think it might be something that's in your life more regularly than it is for the most people. Yeah, I've had it since school.

This is how I imagine it happening. Tom, who else can smell B-O? That was exactly how the bull-in- Let me ask you this. Who else can smell? B.O. Tom? No, Tom, listen. A lot of people make a misconception I smell of B.O. Can you? No, I can't. No, I can't.

Actually, I can, yeah. I can smell it, but it's not on me. Come and smell. You can sniff me. Snip my armpits. Yeah, no, I, listen, I think I know what your armpits smell like from here, Tom. No, let's clear this up because would you say a lot of people think you've got B.O? No, no, you get there. I think if I'm in a closed base and there's a smell of beer, I think I'm on the suspect list. Yeah, I think that's fair.

I think, I'm in there, yeah, I've got a look of someone who could smell a beer. Yeah, I'm, anyway, I'm not going to start going about how paranoid I'm about a BA, but the problem is, you know, it's a real issue.

But, well, let me, let's clear this up. You never smell a BEO. You smell delicious. I've never, you are one of the best smelling human beings I've ever smelled my life. It's very sweet if you, but I was going to say the same about you, actually, not the best smelling.

But, uh, no, you always smell great. I'm only joking. wonderful. It's like I described meeting you as like you go into a field and then he goes, I'm pleasantly surprised by the smell. You know, this is not how I... This is not how I expected this field to smell. No, you can smell the flowers rather than the cow manure. Yeah, exactly.

That's kind of far away. Yeah. You can still feel there is cow manure about, but... You're just hoping the wind stays in one direction. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Should we do an email? Let's do an email. We've only got time ready to do one email because that's how life works out sometimes. This email is from the dragon.

I'm going to ask you this question and I'll believe whatever you tell me. Did you switch Thundercats? You love some. Are you under the impression that Wiley, that Snarf was a dragon? Snarf was half dragon, right? was he yeah he was a normal cat

he had more about him he wasn't a normal cat are they making a Thundercats film no I hope not what was snarf they're making a He-Man film

yeah that looks fucking shit brother sorry I have just prejudged that I've seen a lot of photos of people capturing He-Man feeling

and it looks like they bring like the other one where he comes to our dimension or whatever I don't want to see that. I don't want to see that film.

No, I don't. Snuff, his real name is Osbert. Did you know that? No, I didn't know that. I never saw his passport. Comes from the planet of Snaffs. So it's like, I don't know how respectful that is, actually. Sorry to get slightly sidetracked.

But if you left Earth to go to another planet and they just called you human, it's a bit out of order, isn't it? it? Well, I mean, you'd have to be able to be someone who could take that kind of fucking accolade and that pressure. And then, and then you just, that is a naming convention that relies purely on their not, not being the arrival of another SNAF, doesn't it? Yeah, but that's also a nickname, isn't it? It's probably people, you've got to remember that they probably, in the planet you go into, they struggle with your actual name as

an affectionate nickname. This description, this can't be real. This is from the Thundercats Wiki, right? I'm just going to read this to you. If you thought, I'm amazed at this his Snaf's backstory by the way. Sorry to get sidetracked. Snarf, his rule name

is Osbert, comes from the planet of Snarfs. He was Lyno's nursemaid back on Thundera when he was a boy. Oh wow.

Even though Lino is grown, he still worries about him to the point of being overprotective. In a way, me and you are like Schnaf and Lino.

In what way? Like, I'm Lino and you're a snarf. Fucking, of course. Except you can never activate the fucking I of Thundera because you never get the words

right. Give me sight beyond efforescent. In addition, he lectures him on a regular basis. Although he behaves fearful at times, he's been known to save the Thundercats on numerous occasions, bring himself to be a valuable part of the team. This is the bit I've never, I don't have any recollection of this. He claims to have been a commando participating in the great SNARF rebellion.

Wow, the SNARF rebellion. I mean, if he's the command, geez. Anyway, sorry, let's get, let's do this email. don't expect you to read this out as it's about a really clear dream I had about Tom last night people talking about their dreams is often boring to hear I agree

but this one was so clear and thought you guys could discuss if Tom would do this sort of thing I was in TK Max with my wife and children the kids were going wild in there my young's just kicking and bouncing balls all over the gaff then I saw Tom in the corner with his daughter

this is the dream by the way Tom he saw what was happening came over as if we had recognised him he said hey guys what a little pickle we have here laughing about my daughter we said yeah she's always doing this whilst laughing oh god tom then offered his cheek to my wife while saying hi i'm tom but like proper stuck his cheek out for her to kiss him hello then he shook my hand and said hi fro are you warm then we talked about kids in shots for about two minutes then he fucked off does this sound like something tom would do wrong thanks one love for the

dragon now already i'm going to tell you this dragon straight off the straight off the bat doesn't look happy about this email. Okay, so... The idea that I'd see some people frolicing and having fun in TK.K. Max, which everyone should be doing TK.C. Max is a fucking extraordinary place full of great bargains.

Yeah, absolutely. Long may underpaid manufacturing staff continue. But anyway, do carry on top. The idea that I get... Number one, even if I went over to engage, which I quite like a gym wagon at play. So I like a chat.

If someone... But I find the kisser... on the cheek, the most awkward fucking thing in the world. I think it's something that, if I could abolish any greeting, it would be that. I think fucking does my head in. Like, genuinely, like, a nice hand-shake, fine, I actually prefer a fist-bump.

That's the one thing I'm taking away from COVID. I like a fist-bump. I think it's quick. It's easy. It's less, you know. Yeah. Hand-shakes take such a long time. Yeah, go on. No, but the kiss on the cheek, do you not, I fucking hate it. I hate it. I don't know what, some people like two, some people are like one, some people,

It would be like seven. It's like fucking, it drives me fucking mad. And I feel very awkward doing it. I'd much rather just give a reassurance tap on a shoulder. Hello, mate, how are you? Whenever I'm giving someone a kiss on the cheek, the bit I'm always nervous about sort of doing. Obviously, it's convention.

So you give a kiss on the cheek, and then it's a hand on the ass. But I always feel slightly... Is it two kisses or one? I will always let the other person lead on that. In fact, I don't think I've ever instigated a kiss on the cheek in my life. I would go as far as to say. But I don't think anyone should ever, like,

unless you're a person. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think it always has to, yeah, I mean, for me, I'm never, it's never going to be me. Do you know what I mean? No, I find the idea that I go over and offer my cheek for someone to kiss.

Also, by the way, like, my daughter at the moment's going for a phase where she doesn't want to kiss me on the face. So the idea that, I mean, that fucking, and I get it. I'm fucking, I'm cool with that, but it's, well, it's not really cool with that. fucking soul-destroying some mornings.

Give me a kiss goodbye. In fact, did you ever do the school drop-off? And I went to Grace just this morning, I went, give Daddy a kiss on the cheek, and she went, no. And I went, she went, you're annoying. And I just walked into the school. I was like, okay, in front of a load of other parents.

Which, I don't argue with any of those, you know, that's her right to the side. But there's a pretty soul-destroy moment. And one other dad just laughed. I've got to say, I mean, I've always liked her, but the more I hear about her, the more I am growing to really love her. I mean, it shows a real, she's a real good judge of character, isn't she? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

She thinks her old man's an absolute dork. Tom, it's about that time. My prince. Could you please take us out the ting? Rivens and bows and yeses and nose. What we're talking about. See, presents come in many different forms. some wrapped in beautiful Christmas paper, nay, birthday paper, or even a Valentine's gift,

wrapped in heartfelt paper. Some gifts come in one of those little bag things, a gift bag I believe they're called. Big heart on the front, nay, say that friend, a bird picking its way through some berries. Truth is, presents, however, aren't always physical gifts. Sometimes a present can just be a nice word. or a text, that's made me feel better. Sometimes a present

is even the presence of a present person who's just present with you and you feel their presence. And in turn, you give back your presence submitted together in a conversation. Very important. I guess this is what I'm saying. You haven't got to wait for Christmas

or a birthday, Valentine's Day. It's Easter, friend. Have an egg. But tomorrow is another important day. Why? It's another day for you to give someone something don't mean something to them. A kind word. A pat on the back. A handshake. Isn't that all the presents we need? Thank you so much, Tom. That was really, really.

Thank you. Really lovely. J.T., could you play us out with a little bit of a song that I've rediscovered recently? Rub You the Right Way by Johnny Gill. Oh, bad guy. Anyway, thank you so much for listening. to the wolf and out and thank you to anybody that's coming to the live shows we look forward to seeing you by this time by the time you hear this we'll have done perfect one of them we'll see you next time

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