Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 44: Wagyu Burgers & Rom in NYC

Episode Date: November 5, 2025

We’re talking… Gordon Ramsey’s Burger King collaboration, fast food attitudes, Ray Liotta at the Sutton Pizza Hut, forgotten hand luggage on Rom’s trip to New York, social posts, big shop bust ups, amazing vegan steaks, Tom in The Reluctant Vampire, Rom’s West End theatre debut and a very successful Halloween party. Plus, an old ‘Rom Wasn’t Built In A Day’ Edinburgh show poster and a question about what it’s like to be a celebrity. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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dressed up as a bird and a dog hello and welcome to another episode of The Wolf and our podcast recorded under I would describe for me certainly challenging circumstances for me a lot of responsibility on my show elders being in charge of the recording. It's very difficult to commit wholeheartedly to what we're saying

because it's, I would say, the chances of this ever being... I feel confident. I feel confident. I've sort of got that Gordon Ramsey bounce that he's got when he's just about to turn a restaurant round. I've got that bounce. There's problems, there's problems, sure. But if we simplify the menu, get them on board. have you, by the way, the simplify a menu thing. Thank you for getting me out of what was clearly an inability to do a Gorda Ramsey. It was actually alright. No, I started.

No, but what you did was, you were in the trenches with me there and you're like, okay, this boy's bitten off more than he can chew. Let's try. Can I just say, I spent four years working with Liam Hurrican who does the best Gordon Ramsey ever. It's very hard to watch anyone do Gordon Ramsey after you've worked with Liam Hurrican doing it. Because he'd become a lot. Anyway, Liam Harkin's shout out, incredible. But you know when he'd go to your restaurant?

I mean, I love Gordon. And I actually quite respect the fact he's doing Burger King burgers now. Of course you do. No, I have a running battle with Burger King. No, no, no. I have my shit with Burger King. I think twice. Yeah.

So I have my fucking thing with Bird King. I'm not, you know. But I actually kind of respect that he's coming down and he's inventing in a burger for Burger King. I respect that. How much? involvement do you think I mean

he had in the development of that burg if you think about it like he's got to put his name to it so he knows he's got to be of a certain quality yeah but he's not

the chubby you've got your chubby you've got and you know this bro because you've been you've actually done this you've had your own pizza line where was that you had it yard sale

yard sale shout out yard sale well I think Gordon's idea of what the burg will be is pretty incredible right it'll be amazing, right? Waggoo, it's a Wagyu burger, right? Yeah. And Tom, for those of us that aren't into meats,

could you explain what's so great about Wagyu, please, for people that are morally corrupt? But what I will say is Wagyu a lot of the time gets advertised as being Wagyu, and it's not. Wagyu beef has to come from Japan, I believe. Okay. So, you know, there's a little bit of infringement there. I'm not sure if Gordon is using the Wagyu that he uses in,

some of his top-end restaurants on this burger. But anyhow, it can't be from Japan, can it? I'm just going to Google this, just because I don't... I mean, the thing I'm saying is there's a lot of miles on that meat, is what I'm saying. Does Waggo Burger have to be from Japan? If those of you be listening who are experts, that's the traditional pronunciation, Wago. It's like... Oh, okay, no, Wagu.

Wagu does not have to be from Japan, but the highest quality Wagyu is from Japan. Okay. So if they turn around and say it's high quality, it's a good chance it's not. Okay. Okay. Is it all right? I mean, no, you know, you're... It's tender, it's beautiful.

I remember the first time I tried it. I was actually with Jamie Rednapp. He introduced me to it. He eats it every day. No, he doesn't. He lives on Waggoo. Jamie Waggoo, Rednapp. If he was still playing now,

he'd have Waggoo on the back of his shirt. Yeah. Or something along those lines. So, so I think with the idea that, Gordon's got is it's going to be really premium. It's going to be amazing. I will tell you I probably at least once a week will have a

Burger King and a services on a way back from a gig or film. Here's a big crunch. Have you had a Wagyu burger from Burger King? I haven't had one yet because I don't like I probably would have one this week. I actually might have one tonight because we talked about it and I'm very impulsive as we know. Yeah.

Well, I'm amazed that you've not left the podcast to get one now, to be honest with it. I might have a look at delivery for lunch, but I will say that the trouble is that it's like, he's like the general, right, and his soldiers are out there on the front line, you know, Telford services, whatever other services, there are, other services, I can't think of any others. Cobham. Cobham, by the way, it's high-end, and there's a McDonald's at Cobham.

Bergking... Hold on, hold on, hold on. The higher-end services have McDonald's. That's not true. I don't think so, but I know that Cobham is probably the best services of one of the best I've ever been to. Oxford is beautiful. Well, I mean, you're playing fun. When places like Teabay exists, but anyway, go on.

So, so, I think when you get, basically, the trouble is the soldiers on the front line in these services, when it comes to like, you know, 10, 11 p.m. and they've got a knock-together, a Waggoo burger, is it going to have the same commitment to taste? And is it going to be the same level of other, over the corner of anticipated? I think the truth is that, you know, in my. opinion, you're going to have a little bit of an issue with customer expectations, right? Yeah. Because what people shouldn't expect is that you're getting a waggo steak level of meat when

you get a Waggoo burger from Burger King. And that's the problem Burger King. But that's the problem Burger King have got for them. I think Bergen have created a slight problem for themselves. Do you think what's happened there is Gordon's gone in, Cocker at North, he's doing a little jumpy thing on his toes, he's rubbing his hands together and he's getting all excited. What? Okay.

I've done it I've ever heard Gordon Ramsey called Cocker. the north but no go on and then he's basically just gone um okay yeah okay let yeah i think i think what we're gonna go i'm not gonna do actually because i'm there bad um uh is we're gonna go for uh for wagon beef and no one in the room wants to argue with gordon even though i think we can't afford that and it can't destroy us as a franchise gordon we can't do 35 quid burgers gordon gordon people come up coming to yes no people people come into our into our into our restaurants to and listen I'm fully aware that I'm playing

very fast and loose with the word restaurant but people come into our restaurants in order to do to sort of buy something and avoid regret as long as they possibly can they're not going what we don't need is moments for them to reflect on what they're doing and there's a certain price point at which you start

to go oh do I actually want this and then someone just going nil Neil just we'll call it waggon it'll just be normal old beef yeah yeah just we have to just charge more for Vega, just put two quid on it. Just put it up a quid.

It's good. Put the Ramsey tax. It'll actually reassure them that they're getting something better. Mate, I'd shout out Burger King. I'd actually think one of my reflective happiest times, sometimes if I've had a good gig, post-gig, I'll be sat with Gratio or Jim, your brother. Winnerberg King, a time of reflection. Sometimes we just eat quietly.

We just slowly sort of like, you know, correctness. Yeah, I didn't say that to me, tries that strategy. Well, your brother, by the way, is the only person I know who has a three-course meal. And the fast-blue place he goes to. He's insane. I adore him for him. He has a three-course meal. He's the only person who goes into McDonald's, a Bird King, or KFC,

and has a starter, main course, and a dessert. Yeah. How many of my meat-eating days, I would have a chaser, fill-air fish chaser. Oh, mate. I still have a chaser. Still, my go-in-to is, yeah. Chaser is like, that chaser's like, it's a, It's a big old chaser,

isn't it? That's the problem. Eating without noticing you're eating is a bad habit, I think. Why, it is a double, I have the quarter pounder chaser. Like, that's where I go. That's your chaser?

Yeah, a quarter pounder. I fucking adore a quarter pounder. With cheese? Yeah, quarter pound of cheese. Yeah. I have that rather an apple pie sometimes. Yeah. Or sometimes I have the apple pie as well.

I don't. Depends how I'm, where my head space is. Yeah. What's the best one for vegan and vegetarian? They do a, um, they do them at Plann, which I think we've talked about before, but I've started getting the double-dabatty McPlan.

I say it started. I go to McDonald's like once every three months, probably, if that. How often do the boys have at McDonald's? So they have it once a week because they love it. So it's like a weekend treat for them. And even that I feel slightly bad about. I know Lisa feels slightly conflicted about... How come...

Just because the whole thing of... Well, because it's a lot of, it's just, you know, you're trying to bring up the kids' health, you know. And then the other thing is that then if you say it's a treat, there's an argument that you are just training them to see it as the ultimate. Yeah, like you're reinforcing that message that. I think instead of treat, you make it, it's an easy meal.

It's like mom and a chill one. Yeah, I think. I mean, it's too late for us. You know, we've done it now. I mean, what I think you do is you sort of, I think the best way. to do it is you let them have McDonald's, but every sort of mouthful, you give them

a little clip around the ear, just so they sort of, just so they sort of associate it with discomfort, do you know? Or just sort of shout abuse at them as they're eating it, so that, you know, crying as they choke down a nugget. Do you remember the time when you could, like, you got old enough that you had a bit of pocket money and you go to sort of

out on a Saturday afternoon, you could just go to McDonald's whenever you wanted. You got that three times a day. One of my favorite experiences of my life was going to have enough money to take my girlfriend Vicky out to Pizza Hut on Valentine's. Shout out, Vicky. Oh, my dad, my dad, I think I've told the story before, my dad, when Pete's heart

opened in Sutton was absolutely, like, he made friends with the matrily there, right? And he used to take my mom on a Saturday night, he said, we'd go to my granny, it's a very happy time, go to my granny granders, we'd have a McDonald's, and he'd go, and I used to think my dad was like Ray Le Otter at Goodfellas, the way he used to just go, right, okay, your dad is a bit like Ray Leotter at Goodfellas. what in the fact he's a rat he's on the

he's on the run gets paranoid when he sees a helicopter always complaining about fucking past the sauce dad's can you stop

fucking chop like you don't have to chop the garlic like that just leave it just talking like he's rightly out

of the good fellas shape houses we had alone I'm cheese in my pocket every day Where are you going tonight I'm taking you a mother The Pizza Hut You just get to come in the back door

A pizza at inside Cut of Pints in the Red Line Beforehand A guy walking through With a big one of those big wooden tables Clumping people Yeah he And he sort of yeah

He used to think it And I used to think he was, like, incredible. He used to get dressed up and then up there. Well, Matt, we used to, I remember, like, I'm, you know, obviously I'm like five, six years older than you. But I remember we did have a McDonald's in Crawley. The nearest one was Streatham. So, like, once every now and again.

Streatham? Fuck. No, you didn't have had one in Sutton. No, not when I was growing up. Not when I was growing up, there wasn't. There was one in Sutton most of the time. Wasn't there one in Red Hill? Why don't we keep going to Streatham?

Maybe my dad was saying, assault, in Streatham. Assault, fucking hell. Just dad, just dad going. Welcome to the podcast, and I'm joined by a daddy diet. My dad's going, um, uh, do you want to, why don't you have five big Maxie Fat and shit? I'll be back in 45 minutes, okay? Drive me part. Dad, that really looks like a McDonald's in real.

It's an optical illusion, son. Can I just be clear because I'm getting paranoid now? I was using sort ironically. I don't want anybody to cancel. I don't want to get cancer. I mean, you jumped on it. Oh, I'll jump on that, mate. Yeah, I know.

It's a beautiful thing, though. But pizza art's clear, you know, we're in a paste pizza art world now, pretty much, aren't we? Is it put pizza at closing down? They've closed down. I don't know. This is off the top of my head. I've read somewhere, I think. that they're closing down 60% of the stools or something.

Oh, no, that's sad. Do you remember, like, so, by the way, please do get in touch if my memory of this is incorrect. But my recollection is, before Pizza Hut, our experience of pizzas in this country with the little cheese and tomato ones you got in a, you know, the freeze, like, and they were just like little shitty, you know, like biscuit discs.

Well, it was almost like a sort of mythical beast that you scarcely, you heard, heard about. Yeah, and then the first time I saw a piece, So it's advert was when they pulled the slice up and then the cheese strings were like the cheese pull on the, and I remember thinking, oh my God. Is that real? Like, I could not believe it, man. Anyway, since then it turns out that they use glue and nails to do that. But the point is, it was, it looked unbelievable, right? Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. For young, Ron, the young, can I say what's insane, though, because you're in America now. it seems like we've only just now got to the point where you can go and buy a slice in London. There's a good place

in Soho now where you can go and buy a slice. So if you are like just it's not a full lunch for someone like me, I'm like yeah, I can hit a slice up and between even sort of like 10 and 1 or between 1 and 5 as a snack, a slice of pizza feels like that's what I kind of need.

But I'm in New York at the moment. Hence by the way we should mention that I'm basically had an incident with my hand luggage. I'll say incident. I was leaving the house I ran this is sort of slightly embarrassing I handed my suitcase over to Jim

and I thought I'd handed in my bag I ran in because I wanted to give the dogs one last hug oh that's cute and then got in the car thinking my bag was in the car and when we got to the airport I realized I didn't have any in my hands

not any there's one bit of hand luggage I'd left it at the house and so Jim said I didn't have time for anybody to get it so I just had to like cobble together this set up now from stuff I could buy at the airport. That's where I'm at, you know,

because I'm so dedicated to the war for now. To be fair, actually, that's a good stream. I've got a great... Well, look, what I'm blessed with is this camera tracking me, man. Oh, wow, yeah, that is cool. It's wild, doesn't it? That is cool. Sorry, I totally destroyed.

Anyway, that's why the sound quality man, but it's good. So you're in NYC now, yeah? I'm in NYC doing a show tonight, then go somewhere else tomorrow, which I can't remember. but what is the what's the five in them what you see well it's the election the mayoral election today so it's gonna what's the dude who's the dude who's in the running everyone's like who looks like he's like running he's basically the guy everyone thinks he's gonna win what's the guy's the guy's name zoran mamdani is the one that everyone's excited about and then koima is one that trunks endorsed and um yeah it's um yeah it's

basically mamdanis like seen as like super super super super well first of all he's a Muslim so that's causing a little bit of a but he's he's a guy tackling he's got the best way of tackling like because the biggest problem in New York right is real estate and rent

right I am I'd be hard push to tell you what the biggest problems in Crawley are so if you're asking me what the biggest issues in New York are I'd like to declare myself fully and utterly out of my depth I think the problem I think

from what I understand I think one of the biggest problems in New York or New York is different. I mean, this is talking very much as an outsider. I'm not from New York. It's real estate

and underselling comedy shows, I believe, is the biggest issue. But their rent is through the roof. How is it, so are you excited about going to out and in NYC and smashing it tonight?

Well, I, yeah, obviously it's a bit of nerves, do I mean? I'm in a stage of trying to push my stand up to the next level. And so I think, like,

you know, I, this is getting a bit wanky now, but I'm, I'm trying, I feel like if you want to get better, you have to take some risks, do I mean? So that's what I'm going to try and do. And, like, you know, there'll be some failures along the way, but I'm just trying to get better, man.

Do you know, like, look at the things that I don't think I do well and do those better and be a bit freer. I feel like, you know, when I, even, like, and I've been pasting those son-up clips, but when I post those clips, you know, people, people assume that you're posting those clips being supremely proud of them. And, like, you know, you're posting those scripts because you think they're, like funny enough but when I watch those scripts I just think

why didn't I nail that better or that could it you know so I'm just trying to you know I'm just out of my grind man and when I say grind I don't mean popularity grind I mean trying to get actually get to a point where I think I'm good at stand up that's the fucking aim but it's like I have this thing

at the moment where you put up stuff by the way it's I think my thing is so I saw there's a great you know Kane Brown I saw Kane Brown being an interview the other day right about putting stuff up on social media and I probably three or four times a day think oh that could be quite a funny thing to put up on nine

and then I just don't do it because I completely go oh fuck it there's no point to it like I've put up stuff as you know Tom for 20 minutes and taking it down because I just like my ass goes but then I so I had a thing like this week I was like you know what I'm going to try for a couple of weeks with just actually saying just stick it up there

fuck it's good it's hilarious I stuck up a thing yesterday that I just thought was quite mildly amusing I thought fuck it stick it up the amount of people who messaged me go I can't wait to see Rom Lay into you on this. I was like, I don't think this is the most embarrassing thing. What was it?

It was me sitting, so I was sitting... Was this the Seagull thing? Yeah, so basically we went shopping on Sunday afternoon. We had food shopping, which is slightly frustrating because it's during the early stages of West Ham, like the punditry. I was missing the punditry. But also, Grace is...

West Ham have turned a corner. I mean... on, mate. We look amazing. Champions League, come on. If you find Tom Davis annoying when West Ham are doing badly, when they're doing great, have a little dose of that. Freddie Potts. Freddie Potts, England. Watch out.

He is incredible, Freddy Potts. Anyway. To quote, Champions League, Here We Come. I think was a text that you sent me. By the way, it's in Sanchez. Freddy Potts is sort of almost young enough to sort of, yeah, I mean, there's an argument that Freddy Potts could sort of be

like my grandson. I was at the airport at Heathrow yesterday Sorry, I'll let you go back to his story on a set But like yesterday some guy took a photo with me This like really nice guy, I can't remember his name He said like he was on the same flight And then he sent it to his work And they all came back and they said

What a nice father and son photo It looks like And I knew I was older I knew I was older than the guy But I was just like oh my God What a fucking What an absolute insight To have people see you now

Is it not weird though We're praising like sort of Freddie Potts is like 20, I think, or 21. And I'm like, I'm for so much sort of adoration for him that I'm sort of constantly posting about amazing. I think. And he's fucking. I know, bro. I've had this thought myself about the fact that you're getting really excited about people that are like in their early 20s or late teams.

It's really weird. There's no other situation I'd meet a 20 year old. Like, I've got more agitation for like Freddie Potts for one game of football. played than nearly anyone else that... I know, and then me, at 47, going, I love Bukaiusack, I love him. You're...

You've got, like, because you've got some real youngsters go, like, Skelly. Yeah. Anyhow. So, so we, Caffin's up, right, we're going to go do the big shop.

Right? The big shop for us, we tend to go to, like, a cup of different supermarkets. Yeah, you do like a supermarket crawl, don't you, for your house? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because of the appetite. Because the appetite's involved, yeah, I get it. Not just the appetite, but also some places do better deals. I like to Google, yeah. And you like, I mean, look, let's just get into it a little bit.

You go to Waitrose, but then you say, can we go to Sainspreys because I need to do something for the grams for the people. I could say, look, meat, veg from Waitrose, Liddle of my weight shows, Audi at times, but is your best place to go. For your deals on your washing project, for products, for all of your brand names, you have to be going to as though, Tesco's. That's a place to go because they do the best deals. I'm all about the deals, maybe.

I'm sure you're all about the deals, but there is a cost attached to like, there's a cost to your time, there's a cost to travel. Yeah, but also, I love, this is why I'm slightly, I love walking, Grace loves it as well. Anyhow, I've given this cold that I've had now for the last fucking eight years. I gave this, Grace has now got the cold, so she's coughing. So that's the rest of her life now. Yeah.

Based on how long you've been dealing with it. So we get in a car, we get to Audi, and then Catherine, Grace falls asleep. So Catherine's like, oh, can you sit in the car and chill with her while? I'll go grab the bits that we need. So now I'm like missing one of the things I really enjoy. It's the big shop. Also, I'm like, okay, Catherine's in Audi. I'm, you know.

So I just, I know, it's horrible. You've got to spend some time in the car with your door. I'll get that. My daughter was Sparko snoring away. But then you did that thing. We're like, you know, when the kids are asleep, it's so, so adorable. It's a very adorable, and it is lovely. But, um, so then I'm sitting there, and I was just watching these seagulls.

I was just thinking, so I made a video and thought, I fucking, I didn't put it up. I didn't put it all Sunday. I was like, I'm not going to put it up because it's shit. This makes it slightly worse, actually. But anyway, go on. No, no, I thought, fuck it. I should just stick it. Other people, I watched it.

I genuinely think Kay Brown, I saw him talking. I was like actually you know what he's got a point and I'll fucking I'll do it I don't think it I didn't have the same thing but I had a similar thing

where I put up a it was vegan day on Saturday World Vegan Day on Saturday and so I think it was a vegan day there

I thought it's like a month day and whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa no you're talking about no you're talking about veganry which was like this like project to I think it is

so has they given that up now I've not I don't I don't I don't well I mean obviously I've not I've heard about it since January, but I remember it, like, it did get a bit, a lot of, a lot of momentum is a word I'm struggling for, but I don't know what's, I don't know. I actually don't know what's going on with it now. If anybody involved in veganry does know, can you get in touch? Obviously, if you're involved with a vegan, you will know, but if you're listening, I mean. But, so it's World Vegan Day. So this clip I did about, a bit of stand-up I did about vegan cheese being shit. And so, Kerb were like, do you want to, should put this clip up? And I said, and I knew that it was going to get shit. Like, I just knew that vegans were going to kick off about it.

And so then you go, but you can't not put a thing up because people are going to, somebody might take it the wrong way. Like, then you're not going to ever do anything. You know, you've got to try and like, at the end of the day, we create stuff and put stuff out. And it is, I don't have any problem with somebody saying, I think this is shit where I think you're wrong or whatever. I think it's fine.

If that's what you think, that's what you think. Do you mean? So I think that the thing is, is when you put something out like that, there's a level of earnestness inherent in that in that you're going, I'm putting this out here for public consumption. Yeah. And so essentially you're making yourself vulnerable in a way.

Do you know what I mean? So it's a tricky thing to do, but just do it, man. It gives a shit. I thought it was funny. I thought it was funny. Thank you. And I'm sorry to all of the people

that wanted me to lay into time about it. You know, do I think it was sad that you reflected on it for the whole of your Sunday? Yeah, undoubtedly. No, to be fair, I was rejoicing, you know, I cooked a hell of it. a roast. Lisa and I can't

Big Shop anymore really together. Why? It's probably, I would describe it as the highest stress levels in our relationship is when we're doing Big Shop together.

Really? Yeah, yeah. I know. I know, I know I'm saying that's somebody that loves it, so. Well, but in what sense? Lisa and I don't ever argue, really.

But I would say that is if you're, if you're, if you feel like starting an argument go on the big shop the two things for us big shop christmas decoration so it's a tough time of year for us at the moment because christmas involves decorating and big shops so yeah yeah yeah the two things that you Christmas is synonymous with yeah absolutely yeah that's that's what most people but why but what is what energy are you bringing what energy is she bringing well well i don't want to you know i don't want to do get into sort of issues of performative incompetence but um you

know she brings energy of efficiency and i bring an energy of efficiency and i bring an energy of her asking me to get some mustard and then she'll see me 45 minutes later because I haven't got a fucking clue what I'm doing around there. And then you come back with arms filling up marshmallows and other fucking treats. Yeah, and then she's like... These look nice, didn't they get out?

You know, the jam donuts are accidentally vegan? Yeah, I know, I told you that every week. I actually bought yourself a few weeks ago. You fucking idiot. Rob, just stop it. You don't know what you're doing. It is a bit like that.

I don't like this impression of Lacer that you've settled into. I just like the fact that it just feels such an odds with your character that we've got. Stop it, for fuck's sake. Just don't do that. Does she ever, Kathy does this? Does she ever raise her eyes at someone like the cheese or meat counter as if to say out of this fucking guy? So sometimes give me like a look, but then often the look is he's like you. rather than you know

I saw on one side and this person's on the other do I mean she'll be like there's another one a year yeah but Lisa has I'd say Lisa and I have the energy of

she's sort of handling an idiot yeah you know that's what I would describe and also it's nice for you how often what three times or four times do you do the big shop

well we're we're online big shoppers just to save the marriage but at Christmas we will be going, we'll be going in. You should film the whole thing. Like, it's a GoPro. Yeah, I might do some content on it.

Yeah, that'd be so sick, man. Just like one of those like Francois bourgeois ones on my face as I wand around. And one on hers and one on yours. Yeah. That would be cool. Yeah. And then he just catch a text of her

to just texting the PT going on with him and going, I'm with him and going, fucking. He insisted on coming to Tesco. Oh, I just kissing the trolley boy. I had an awful thing. What are you doing out there? Last time we did a big shop, Lisa wanted to park. There's like another car park around the corner

and she couldn't be asked to go into the main car park so she went to the car park around the corner. Then I had to take the stuff. Like, not I didn't have to, but I was carrying all the stuff around. It's quite a distance to carry it all round. And I was struggling a bit. And somebody that I went to school with that I'd not seen for years walk past

and went, having a bit of trouble there, ain't you, mate? And I said to Lisa, this is, this is fucking up because of you making us do this. Why did you not park in the main car park where you get the trolley benefits? Yeah, I know. I think it's particularly busy that, I mean, it's too boring to go into the details. But, you know, since when it being too boring stops us from talking about stuff at length. I'd love to know what you think about this, Tom Day.

You got me, baby. I was at a restaurant last night with Martin Too Smooth in NYC. Oh, man, Martin Too Smooth, by the way. I bet he just fucking melts into it. New York City. Oh, 100%. Within half an hour I've got us being there

he bought himself a baseball shirt. I mean, the guy is like, there's one that you've been looking out for him because I've got to hit up on the Major League, but I've got to help the, he didn't say Major League Baseball. What a fucking nerd. Yeah.

I've got a hit, yeah. What does MLB stand for exactly? There might be other stores in New York that start with MLB's the initial side. I don't want to get confused. Is it the baseball? retail outlet that you're going to. Is it the majorly

faithful, Martin? Yeah, brother. Yeah, yeah. That's what it is, yeah. But you stay away from that. People like you've got... Yeah, yeah. Once you guys start wearing that, we're fucked. I just sort of walk up to the store door and the guy at the door's going, no, man, the same for you. The same for you.

I think you've got to go to another store, man. There's a fucking... There's an NBA store with vests for guys like you. No dweeps in here. Anyway, we went to Coletta's vegan Italian last night. Oh, man. And we were sat down, we got the menu. It was proper, like, classy restaurant.

Martin and I sat down. The one thing about restaurants in New York is they sit you very close to other diners, like real place. So we had, there's a couple sat really close to us so that we could hear everything they were saying, and they could hear everything we were saying, right? So, fine. Anyway, I'm looking at the menu, and they've got steak filet.

vegan right so I go how can that even be a thing like what's going on here it's like steak and mash and brocolini right was with gravy

oh wow sorry sorry a ju sorry I should say yeah so I'm like I don't even know like

what's the deal like what is this and then the guy at the next table is they're a British couple he goes Ramesh he goes I just had the steak

I'm not vegan I'm telling you it's amazing wow he goes he goes, I recommend it, right? So I go, okay. So I ordered it off the strength of his recommendation. I've not eaten a steak in, I don't know how long.

But it tasted unbelievable. It was so good. I got mine to try. I'm going to go back there. Yeah, what would you want to do? No, I'm saying, but you need to just... Oh, right, okay, okay. I'll go.

I'll probably will go back. Oh, no, I can't go back there. I mean, unless they're still open after the show tonight, we're leaving tomorrow. Book a table, baby. Get fucking, isn't there? Maybe see if they could fucking... You should try to get the recipe

and franchising to London. I don't think, I think it's what's described as a UPF, mate. What's that? Ultra-processed food. I don't think you're not making that in-house.

You know what I mean? Yeah, but if you've got the fucking, if you've got the scientific facts behind. They've had to get a thousand mushrooms because you could open a little Italian in Soho called Romero. Two spells and a prayer. You could open a little Italian in Soho called Romolini's.

It's a good shout. It's a good shout. It'll be a Italian. Yeah. Yeah, because one of the things is... What will you do when you turn up, you're there, and you're like... And you go off,

Hey, just like my mum, my stomach. You interrupted me to say that, because you're so excited about that. The run-up to it, you telegraphed it so much. And you're so proud of it now. I just like the idea of you just in a little penny, just doing that.

Yeah Oh welcome to our malignis Anyway we haven't we haven't talked about this Because obviously first of all Apologies for not putting an episode out Yeah yeah I mean we did put a late episode out Which was a bit of a compilation of Hackney

But it does mean that we've got a lot to catch up on So what you're allowed to tell me about Tom Are you allowed to tell me now what you've been up to right Oh yeah so I start shooting this thing Tomorrow in fact The Reluctant Vampire. I do you said Reluctant Landlord. Don't curse it like that, mate.

The Reluctive Vampire. Very excited. Fun, fun, fun scripts. It sort of came out of the blue of the job a little bit. But, yeah, the cast is very excited. Lenny Rush. He's hilarious. What a funny kid.

Joe Wilkinson. Yeah, yeah. Turn off the PR spin now, mate. Let's have a real conversation. No, that. I'm very excited. Very excited. Yeah.

Playing a... Yeah. Play a... I'm at the age now when I'm playing dad characters. So, yeah. I'm not sort of... You've been at the age for a bit, though, to be fair.

Yeah, yeah. I'm not the hot young piece of ass anymore. Like, not the bad boy next door anymore. Yeah. I mean, I'm at this stage my life. Well, Zach Ephraint plays. Yeah. Whenever I post a video, people go,

Unct's funny. But you'll do... You've been fucking smashing it. You're out doing... You're a West End's boy now. West End stage are We started rehearsals How is it

Sheridan Smith is The whole cast are amazing Sheridan Smith is Obviously Sheridan Smith You're ridiculous talent right Yeah yeah How are you finding So these are theatre actors

You're in the midst of the world of theatre now It's different to TV acting isn't it I mean I am I think slightly intimidated Is fair to say You know like sort of the first day we got in and we did like they you have the chat with all the cars I saw a video there's a video of that yeah yeah yeah so then um why is there a little

small player just because I love you if they have got you so well in that video awkwardly there's one bit where you're looking at the biscuits I think like okay I can tell what's happened is you're awkwardly just trying not to have convers too many conversations you feel like there's one bit There's one bit where I put my bag down, and I actually, in my head, my voice, like in my internal voice, went, right, you must go and talk to people. Go and introduce yourself. Be a brave boy. You can see you sort of get involved in the chinwagon.

There's a nice couple of bits of you laughing. We should have done one of those things where we watch it back and sort of laugh at, like, commentator. Yeah, like a little reaction thing. Yeah, that's quite big now, isn't it? Yeah, the director's commentary. But then that day, later on that day, after that video was taken, we sat down and did the first script read at the table.

And that was, I would describe that as a scary experience. Yeah, that is terrifying. That's a hard thing, the first script read, because, like, you're, that's the first time, like, people see how you're going to play the character, right? That's what I was fine, really. That's the hardest bit because you, but at that point, not usually had a chat with the director. So you're sort of going on instinct of it. It's quite a difficult part of it. Yeah, yeah.

And also, you don't know, I don't know if my instincts are right, because you sort of think about, it's obviously different. Theater and TV is different. You know, TV you can do like the tiniest of things. Yeah. And they can, you know, if there's a shot on you, you've got it. I mean, I was watching, this is so weird, but I was on the plane yesterday. And now, like, I've started watching things with acting in mind. And I mean, bearing in mind I'm just talked about acting,

and now I'm about to talk about this film. But I watched that on the plane. I re-watched the Jurassic Park, Jurassic World film, right? Fucking on, thanks for bringing that up. Oh, shit, sorry. Anyway, it's crap. So shit. Anyway, there's a bit where Jonathan Bailey's character

like drops down the thing. And Scarlett Yohansson's obviously worried that he's okay. And there's like a bit of a frisk on between them. And she looks across at him. And all the camera does is just close up on her. And she does so little. But you can tell what's going on. Do you know what I mean?

It's like a... Sometimes I think less is more in those things. But then that can't be the case in theatre because people watch the United States. Yeah, you've got cypress the shit out of that. It's the oldest, mate, if you think about it, you're following the footsteps of the oldest crafts. Like going back to sort of like the Roman Empire

where they used to put on plays for their emperors and stuff. Yeah, the Roman Empire. Oh, ho! And come to Romolinis. Here we go. We've got a name for the restaurant. Yeah, Romanelles. I did a show.

My second Edinburgh show was called, Ron wasn't built in a day. And it's a photo of me with two guys dressed up as Centurians. Right. I don't even remember that one. Yeah. And have a look at it now. I'd love to get your reaction.

So just look up. Romish rang an A for, well, obviously, you know how to Google. You've done it before, haven't you? Oh, wow, to be fair. That's actually better than I thought. That's a better piece. Yeah, that's the one, yeah. Yeah.

What do you think of that poster? Actually, you know, it's a lot better than I actually thought it'd be. What happened to the guys in the pitch? Weirdly, one of the guys actually looks a bit like I could have done that part. Yeah, they, what's he like? What's his vibe? Well, this is like what? This is almost 12 years ago.

He looks like a long guy. He looks like he's probably sort of, he's like quite a sort of sweet energy. Like, you know, 12 years though. I'm sure of Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah

Did you stay in What'd you mean? Yeah I did Yeah I got them to help I got them to help I got them to help

me write the show as well So we did a lot of work together Do you know ever think about Those two guys That's a messy

Part of your career That's a horrible It was a horrible thing That you just did By the way Who's that You just went 12 years Because you showed up

The older guy And you went 12 years So No no He does look He looks He looks quite frail as well Mm

I was nice guys Anyway Anyway The Walshie told me that when it was in Edinburgh that year every now and again when he was feeling bad about as Edinburgh Ron was going he'd go and try and find that poster to cheer himself up

there's very few times in my life where I think I've got much in common with Sean Walsh but that would be probably what I'd go to would have been yeah he would text me during the fringe going oh I just had a look at the poster really feeling good today have a good one mate did they go to the senior show the two guys the two you're not they didn't know

If they could see you now, one of the way, that would be fucking sick. It would be amazing to sort of get the three of you back together. Yeah, it would be good, yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, we were together for all of, what, 40 minutes, so it would be good to catch up on what happened. Things like that, like, can you imagine, right, you're those two guys, right? And he goes home to his missus, and he's like, how was he today out there, Reg, and he's like,

oh, working with his boy, I don't dress up as a Roman soldier for him. nice kid nice boy Ramesh Ramesh there is there's shows

called Rome wasn't built in a day and she'd be oh that's do you think he's got it and into go

the 49 yards I don't know laugh it's all a lottery and now Betty sits there watching the weakest

leg pray God and he's like sat with that and goes he's on he's on the boy's on

and that 40 minutes for you that felt so insignificant for that guy was probably life changing

he probably used you as his Like when people are, what's your favourite comedian? Well, you might not have heard of this boy, but it's no Ramesh. And I like the kid. Roe was a building a day. Here's a picture of us together.

That's us. The other guy walks into the pub and goes, he's not bloody shedding that picture again, is he? Yeah, I don't think they're that excited about it because I've not heard from either of them since. I'm just saying, there's a nice feeling. Yeah. In that 40 minutes, you know,

I don't know, it's a song that might not be too much too much you, it means a hell of a lot to me and it's a beautiful lyric but I just think it's nice, I just think sweet. Yeah, really nice, yeah. Yeah, thank you.

I also had a Halloween party on Saturday. Oh, mate, that looks sick, by the way. That you were invited to, but you didn't come to. Yeah, but I'm not good at stuff like that. It's too cool for me. It's too, mate, I look at him, everyone that's amazing at that party. Things like that, I just, I...

Can I, can I... Can I say, there were quite a few wulf and alas at that party. And first of all, I want to say thank you to everyone that came. It was amazing. And the whole crowd were, like, Martin actually said to me after us,

your crowd's so nice. Not that they were my crowd, but just the people there was so lovely, man. There's like no, it was just like really lovely group of people. And big shout to Rob Percy in Martin's movie, basically. What Percy is such a delicious human. You know what?

I don't actually, Robessey really gets older will be like that old Roman soldier in a picture. that kind of sweet guy. Yeah, he did like a, he did hip-hop karaoke and a hip-horeorese and a hip-que... I need to go to that, well, I'm right. Yeah, you should come. We should go, we should go hip-charioki together.

I'd love that. I'd love to do that. Anyway, one of the guys that I meant to, because I was chatting to loads of people throughout the party. What's going on with my talking today? And you were sideways, by the way, for this, right? I was. Well, we can talk about that a bit more if you'd like. But one of the guys came up to him and said that,

During lockdown, he was working on his PhD, and he said, and he was having to go in and, like, work on his own. And so he'd have the wolf and owl on, and he said it felt like it was keeping him company during him doing the PhD. But this is the exciting bit. So he thanked us in his PhD. Oh, wow. Wow.

Fuck. Like, we're in the acknowledgements. Oh, my God. How amazing is that? That's fucking sick, boy. Yeah. That's very cool. You're a PhD, boy.

I think we're partly PhD. That makes us partly PhD, right? Yeah, yeah, mate. By the way, what is a PhD? What is a PhD? It's like, it's, I don't know, I actually, it's a, it's a doctorate, isn't it? But I don't know what PhD, I don't know what PhD stands for. I know, it's like an important call thing to get, but I don't actually know what it means.

It's up for a Masters, isn't it? Yeah. Wow, fucking hell, this guy. It's a doctor of philosophy. Whew! Wow. It's considered the highest postgraduate achievement you can earn. Wow.

fucking hell this guy's a fucking brain box by all the accounts absolutely boy isn't it funny the journeys that we make right you've got fucking this guy that's fucking integral to your success at the start

the guy for the Roman picture right but before you carry on before you carry on I just want to say to you what you're about to say is nowhere near as profound as how excited you are about it okay but then you've got this fucking guy up here who's like a PhD fucking absolute fucking G

a doctor of philosophy, he's like one of the cleverest people, probably in England now, right? And then there's this journey of Romish that goes between them, and it's beautiful, man. Yeah, okay. You know, I find funny, it's his your face, trying to work out how to deal with this. That's what I love the most. Right, should we do some emails? I'm going to have to go and get a tissue, blow my nose.

Just have a good. Yeah, please tell you. Okay, so this is from the leopard, okay? Okay, hit me up, baby. High Wolf, Fowl, Swan and Cat, the leopard here. I had the pleasure of meeting the owl at the hip-hop event on Saturday. I had the best time despite panicking I wouldn't get in because I left my ID back in the Midlands, classic leopard move.

I was actually overcome seeing Rom in the flesh. I've met celebrities before. I once went Method Man, absolute highlight. It managed to be as not starstruck as seeing Rom. But with you two, it felt like I know you listening to the pod every week. It's a weird feeling because you don't know me. So seeing Ron, it felt like seeing an old pal. That's very nice, isn't it?

Lovely. My question is, how much is your famous profile interrupt your life? Like, can you go to the shop still? Does it ever feel a little scary? Next question is, could you give a shout to my wonderful boyfriend, the bear? We had the best hip-hop adventure in London. I feel so lucky to have met the sweetest soul. When I first listened to the pod, I was not in a good relationship,

always joked about how respectful, always thought about respectful and kind of Wolf and I would talk about their partners, playful jokes aside, which I think is really sweet. I don't think men who could be vulnerable, open and respectful exist in real life, until I met the bear. He encouraged me to go and get my pick with the owl, has my back, and is an all-round sweet soul. our lively London day out was just a wonderful reminder

he's a convert to the pod and enjoying it which is sort of damning with faint praise isn't it but Tom first question I mean I don't really feel comfortable about talking about what we're like as men because just yesterday

I was an absolute idiot to Lisa but anyway shall we should we talk about you being famous it's a nightmare for you isn't it you're such a little trial what did you mean

I find it it's a very weird thing isn't it because I try never to think of myself as being like fake I think it's a strange thing as if you start thinking yourself as being famous it's quite a strange thing

but obviously you can't get around the fact that that is sort of a part of part of what we do I think of it more like like the job is that's just part of the part of the job is being recognised and dealing with that in the best possible way you can.

Like the actual, yeah, and for the most part, that is actually a really, really lovely side of it, when, you know, instances that, you know, you're talking about here from seeing some people at the hip-hop event and the PhD guy and people who come to gigs and people who support you and people that, you know, one of the things that I feel very proud is that people who feel like they've been a part of sort of the journey

that we're all, that you're on as, you know. as a creator and whatever that's always a very important thing obviously sometimes has its drawbacks and sometimes has its um moments where it's not so nice or it could be a bit yeah i've had a few like things where it's felt a bit more toxic do i mean and uh which i've discussed on here it's been quite open about um so i just think uh i think uh for the most part i find it is a privilege to do what we do for a living i think it's a privilege that people enjoy this podcast and enjoy how the stuff we've done and I'm always in debt

to the people that do. I find it awkward the most awkward time is if I'm with with Grace. But it's that weird thing of like she's starting to, like if people come up and chat and most of the time people are so lovely but there has been a few instances where people have been quite aggressive. Yeah, and I never want, no, if someone wants a picture and then they try and get a picture with her in the picture

or I find it weird, when we were on the train the other day and someone took this really sly picture like of me on the train which and I was holding Grace and someone took a picture and then put it on Instagram going I just saw the Tom Davis on the train didn't want to ask for a photo but took this type thing

and I was like we should just ask for a picture because then at the moment my daughter's in this picture I don't want my daughter I don't put pictures up with her face I put a picture of you know whatever but I don't put pictures and this was like a picture of me and grace and it was taken in a weird angle and I find stuff like that quite you know

just ask and I've done a picture but yeah that sort of stuff I find I'm quite a private person as are you about my family that's you know I've made the deal to be to lose for a living

and to be in a public eye that's fine but my family has it hasn't so that's the only but I sometimes find a little bit different I guess over to you my liege uh I don't I think we're in a very lucky

position that that we do a job that people come up and talk to us. I do think that you, look, I mean, there is an invasion of privacy and sometimes, look, the truth is I don't find it an invasion of privacy. I mean, like, we've had things where people come up to you and talk to you and you're a bit knackard or whatever, but normally people are understanding. I think it's like an amazing thing to do a job where, you know, you do something that people come and say, I think what you do is great.

I think it's good. but I think sometimes when you're with your kids it's tricky you know I'll be lying if I said there weren't times when it's been a bit difficult at the football with the boys is particularly probably the worst in terms of like being having your privacy invaded you know and sometimes you sort of like I just want to be with the boys and then like loads of people start asking for photos

and they never complain but I do feel a bit bad but at the end of the day that's you know that's they live a really nice, comfortable life, and that's as a result of, you know, if that's one of the byproducts of that you have to take a few photos, then I'm sort of, I don't mind that. And a lot of the time you have really great chats,

I mean, I wouldn't have not wanted to have that conversation with that guy about the PhD thing. And, you know, and a lot of the thing is... He's really beautiful. Can I just say, by the way, Leopard, thank you so much for your email, and I'm glad you had a great time. It was...

Yeah, shout out of the Lippin. Okay, Tomo, should we do the... Ting-Ting, it's about that time for us to. Friends, oh, well, it's funny, isn't it? Footprints on the sand. Look up above. There used to be a star there or gas or whatever it is, but now it's gone, but I can still see the faint,

faint sort of spirit of where it used to be. Leaves on a tree that drop onto the lawn, on the park or the road. Now the tree's bare. The leaves will be grey, but they won't be the same leaves. That's the thing about life. pork pie that you had for lunch or a vegan sausage roll that you had on the run to the train station. Makes me think, man, sometimes we forget the tiny little things in life. The things

that didn't really feel important, the things that didn't stand it down forever. Like an old man who comes to help you. Who in Edinburgh picture. The truth is, everything we do, every beat, every move, every motion, every breath, means something to us. Because we're living, right? Because we're doing that thing. So when you've gently put your arm around someone and say, let's do this picture, that meant something to you both. When someone's out saying mean, something horrible,

that meant something. And some things we forget, the sound of time just pass through us. And some of the things we remember, some things we hold on to, which we're saying. some of us hold on to other memories that each of us forget but they were nonetheless important to us all after all where's the world if it isn't memories small ones big ones great ones

so try and make those memories if you can try your best today to be the Roman guard in someone else's poster not the main man in the picture but then nonetheless propping up the narrative I think that's beautiful Really good Really good

Thanks Thanks Tom And if anyone could find us That guy It would be fucking amazing That would be good If that guy could get back in touch One of the two

I don't know the names In fact I should speak to Andy Hollingworth Who took the photo I'll probably know Yeah Shout out Andy Hollingworth If you can help Hollers

Who was your agent at that time It was Flo Flowe might know Flo's fucking got records on everything. She's not going to know the two guys from the post that dressed up as Centurians. She's good, but she's not that good. Fo is the best of this sort of stuff.

Flo's a fucking absolute... If anyone in the world, I could go, that's the person who's going to find these people and track them down. It's Flo. Flo could have been an amazing detective or a lawyer. She's so fucking clever.

Give Flo, by the way, he's got a PhD and just being a fucking legend. Yeah, okay. So what I'm saying. Obviously, somebody's caused some problems for the agent and he's trying to... It's one of the most transparent things I've ever seen. Okay.

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