Wolf and Owl - S4 Ep 46: Theatre Rom & Cranston Pickle

Episode Date: November 19, 2025

We’re talking… overnight flights and beating jet-lag, interviewing the brilliant Bryan Cranston, introducing theatre Rom, backstage meet-ups with West End stars, messing up on mufti day, hugging David Gandy, Tom’s top ten men to kiss, acting with Lenny Rush, a very aggressive incident at a corporate gig and some humble behaviour at the recent Eubank v Benn boxing match. Plus, we read emails offering some merch advice and a question about not being invited to a party. For questions or comments, please email us at [e-mail] - we’d love to hear from you. Instagram - @wolfowlpod TikTok - @wolfowlpodcast YouTube - www.youtube.com/WolfandOwlPodcast Merch & Mailing List - https://wolfandowlpod.com A Mighty Ranga Production For sales and sponsorship enquiries: [e-mail] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Tom Davis and the owl romish rang and aathan and we're here today to talk to you about various bits and pieces Welcome to the world for now. I'm feeling pretty good about myself today because yesterday morning I landed at Heathrow Airport at 8 o'clock in the morning,

quarter to 8, I was at BBC Radio 2 by 9. Did they call that flight the Red Eye, by the way? No, isn't the Red Eye from New York to L.A.? I don't know. Okay, I thought it was like a night flight. What I don't like about these questions is you know, the dynamic of this is that I'm the smart one and you're the dumb ass. You know, that's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's spoil it down to its constituent parts.

But then when you, when you ask, when you ask follow-up questions like that, it really does reveal that, um, I am arguably thicker than you are. Do you know, because, because who's, I mean, because who's, who's, who's, who's, who's the thick one, the one that pretends he knows everything or the one that's actually courageous enough to ask questions when he doesn't know? You know, that's, that's the truth of it. You're somebody that is. open enough to ask questions

whereas I sort of just muddle on and I'm pretending that I know until I do I think the red eye you might be right that I do think it might be there um I um the the gaps in my historical knowledge are remarkable you know sometimes when people talk about when you're struggling with no just generally when people talk about like when people go oh you know that's very Edwardian that and you go is it is it I don't fucking know I don't know what that looks like

you know it's called Edwardian because it was King Edwards time okay I listen I know I'm opening myself up, but I'm still a human I'm still a human man. I understand that. No, I'm just saying that that's like, yeah, no, I get it. Victoria tried with Kim, pre-Victoria.

Okay, why don't we try it where you're the knowledgeable one for this one? And I'm the You're the tongue. The wolf. But then, do you think in years to come, these will be known as the Charzillian days? Chalzillian? I mean, it sounds a bit David I like that, doesn't it?

Charlesian. I think Charlesian. I think Charles Iliadian. Charlidian. No, charlatan. Charlatan. Charlatan? No, not Charleston. Easy boy. Easy. Anyway, the point is, I arrived on the, let's call it the red eye. Got to Heathrow at 8 o'clock, all quarter to 8. Yeah. Jim picked me up from the airport, took me straight to BBC. Shout Jim. Did the radio show. Brian Cranston, by the way. What a G.

could not believe that you were in the fucking presence of great, sheer greatness absolute fucking legend of a guy and also your American accent must have been incredible I didn't try the American accent but what I did do was I described myself as an actor to him

and then immediately thought that's like telling like Jordan you play a bit of bull um why did you describe yourself as an actor? I didn't describe myself as an exaggeration I didn't describe myself as an actor I was talking about theatre acting versus TV acting and then I said I've done a bit of acting

and then I almost felt embarrassed as I said I actually acknowledge that it was an embarrassing thing to say Yeah but also it's nice for him Because he's probably thinking Oh this kid needs some advice You need to know that. What was good though is he kept referring back To the fact that I was a stand-up

As if to sort of reiterate to me that listen guy I know you've done a bit of acting Hey hey hey hey hey let me say Brian Cranston would be an incredible stand-up Yeah he would be actually He would be it. He's got such a... He can tell a story like, no one.

Have you read his book? No, I haven't, actually. No, I haven't. It's a beautiful book, my boy. Do you not read the books on the people who come on the show? No, because he was promoting the play. I'm going to watch the play.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. He's in a rival show. Well, you know what this means. This, no, no, no. This means that you have a space on a table at the West End Society of Actors. What does that mean? You all go and watch each other.

Well, fucking, it's the biggest thing, man. You think all of the big people are coming here doing stage, like, you know, West End shows. Mate, Romney Van Gnathan is one of those compadres now. They'll break bread, you'll chat, you'll laugh, you'll talk, you'll go, and like, because this is the new Ron, by the way. This guy might, well, we might have seen the back of this guy because acting Rom is here now.

So Brian Cransel will go, hey, Rom, over here, man, over here, back table. Oh, hey, hey, Brian. How's it going? No, no, no. I'll be you. You can be Brian. Okay. Oh, hey.

Hey, Ram. Ram. Come over here, man. Join us. Join us. Oh, Brian. Brian. No, don't even look at me, Brian.

Don't even look at me. Are you okay? It's the second act I flunked a line that almost took the showdown. Oh, God. That's horrible. But, um, no, it's the same production company. That's, that's, um, that's fun going to watch it. Oh, wow.

What is his play about? What's his play about? It's about? It's about. It's about. It's about it's called All of My Sons

and it's him and his two sons and I don't know the full details but I know that it's What, he's real sons? No, no, no, no.

It's real sons, do you know what a play is? Oh, okay. He also won't be Brian Cranston in it he'll be playing a character. I'm looking forward to you going to watch it.

Fuck it, he's a fucking liar. Sorry, is anyone else falling for this? It's fucking Brian Cranston. I know who he is. Why is he not talking about Broken Bird? Anyway, so... He's a one-man show.

And it's about his... A fractured relationship with his son because he does... The son discovers that he's a flawed human being is kind of the gist of it. But I'm trying to... I'm trying to not know too much about it before I go in, you know what I mean.

But I'm going to watch it next week. Are you going on your own? No, all of our production are going to watch it. Oh, wow. I can't know. Team out. Mate, that's like a proper work day out. Yeah, there's a work day.

Well, we're doing a day rehearsals, then we're going to watch the play. Oh, my God. That's like, remember when you were at school? You know, when you did that little smile on your face was like, it was like, oh, God, Ramesh is going to make an absolute cock of himself with the actors. No. No, but what I'm saying is, that's, remember, like, at school where you'd lose your, I remember going to, I remember going to see Blood Brothers in the West End, right? I was the only boy that went in the whole school, right, and losing my mind, because it was like, we did a whole day at school, and then that evening, we all went to watch Blood Brothers.

I remember going to watch Joseph and his amazing technical a dream coat with the school, with my year group, and I was the only one that had forgotten that it was that day, so everybody else was in their own clothes, and I went in my uniform. I think I've said this before I remember wearing my uniform to mufti or mufti down pretending that I thought it was a suit I've always got it right that day but I never would turn up with the right style on those days always every time uniform again I went bowling

we went to bowling alley once on a school trip I was in my full uniform and then even the teacher said why don't you just hang with me because they could tell I was just going to oh my God so bad I went, it was all girls apart from, I was the only boy, and that was the moment that I realized that the whole, I don't know, no boys wanted to go. I love theatre. It was my first time to go to the West End, and I was like, so excited. And Blood Brothers is amazing, it's an incredible musical, but that was the, do you know what it's really, that was almost the first time in my life, and I was probably only about 13, 14, where I realised what a friend zone was.

I was sat on the coach with all the girls, pretty well, like loads of girls from my year talking about the boys they fancied, and sort of agreeing with them and sort of offering to almost be like their scenario. What are you doing? Were you like sort of going, oh, yeah, he's really good looking, like pretending it's not a dagger to your heart every time another name gets mentioned. Yeah, that, exactly that. They turn around and go, oh my God, you know, he's really fit and cool.

Like, they'll be going, who? and they go, Sam Massey is so fucking fit. And then, yeah. Yeah, you're telling me, he's so good at football as well. And he's actually a really nice guy when you get to know him. Like, Sam is like such a dude. He's actually a really caring guy because he watches Dawson's Creek. So he knows about fucking feelings and shit.

So bad. And then they're talking to go, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom, can I have a chat with you, place? Oh, yeah, of course, yeah, yeah. You're cool, sure, yeah, what is it? What sort of stuff is Sam into? He likes football, running. He's probably quite deep as well.

He also likes sort of like gladiators. Oh, man. People confiding in me. Like, sort of. Yeah. But anyway, I interviewed Brian Cranston. And then got home, unpacked, did all that stuff. And then I managed to, I'm so proud of myself, Tom.

You know, I very rarely experienced pride, as you know. Stayed up till it was time to go to bed. Did not go to sleep. Wow. Got a full eight hours, mate. I'm feeling on top of the world right now. You're talking to somebody's like... No, jet lag.

That jet lag, not rinsing you. Well, I think it is. I think apparently day two is the day, then it really sort of kicks in. What is your day today? Have you got time to sort of chill? I'll be working on scripts, you know, obviously preparing for my... Learning your lines, baby, because my guy, the West. then like, by the way, is your own going to be in lights up there?

Like, is it, are you on the boarding? That, I don't know. I've not discussed that. I mean, it feels like I feel like I need to focus on actually being able to convincingly portray the character rather than asking. Well, chill, man, you've got this. No, but I know, but I think week, two of rehearsals are asking about how my name's going to be displayed at the theatre feels like a bit, feels a bit previous, isn't it? No, but you know what?

It's that, yeah, but Cranston will have his name up there. Yeah, of course she will, but that's like a dead shirt, isn't it? Obviously, he's not got to even ask the question. He's your new mate now. Yeah, but I'm not on the same players in. Plus, you've got to factor in. By the way, the letter cost on Ranganathan is, you know, I imagine they're sort of a fair and second thoughts about it.

There's an environment. Yeah, but if they put Rom Ranga, there's an environmental impact, isn't there? Actually, you've literally got, because Sheridan Smith's quite a long name as well. Yeah. They're probably going to tell me all the budgets go. They've only been able to do Sheridan Smith and then Ramesh.

I'm going to be like Prince. By the way, that's how a lot of people know you anyway. You have got a sick surname, but a lot of people know you as Romish. Or arguably, when you go to the boxing, I'd say 90% of people who love you know you as Ramish. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, listen, I just did an American tour, the American tour, and part of the tour was I gave a burner phone out, burn a phone number out, and got them to text me in, and I was sort of just responding to text.

I would say 40% called me Ramesh. You know, it's the more common name. Yeah, I was at the boxing last night. and everyone called you Ramesh. Everyone was like, oh, mate, you know he's really fucking funny, and I'm like, Ramesh, he's a funny fucker, mate. And I was like, yeah, he's amazing,

but you know his name hasn't got a... Sorry, do you mean Rommish? No, he's not funny. No, I mean, my mate, Ramesh. Like, from... Ramesh, get off of here! Oh, hi, you're right? Yeah, yeah, do what he's...

He's got... You know his mate, Rommish, but you're funny of Rommish. I always say that. With Cranston, are you going to see Cranston after the show? No. Well, I mean, I'm sure the opportunity is there, but whenever I'm given those opportunities, I always decline.

Yeah, swerve that. I think that, you know, you've gone to see the play. It will be amazing because the whole cast are amazing. He'll be great. But why ruin that by going and having a chat with him after us? And I don't mean that as an insult to him. I mean that as an insult to myself. Yeah, because, no, no, no, no, no.

There's no way that goes right for anyone. No, no. Unless you're someone of Crenston. level, day, that can't go right. He'll want to be getting out there. I know, Cranston, from, like, I can see it in his eyes. He wants to get out. He's done his bit. Well, I guess the part of it's like,

if you've done a really good performance, you want to hear it, you want to let, you want people to know it. I mean, you know, it's not, it's not an eag. Yeah, but can I just say, by the way, you, right? You've got this, now you've got a bit of a fucking thing with Cranston, you've got a, you've got the sparklings, the embers of a friendship, right? So you go backstage.

It'll be you and the rest of the cast. you won't know who the rest of the cast are really, probably. Do you what I mean? He'll obviously know probably who Sheridan is. But you also, in those situations, aren't someone who's going to just push themselves to the front and go, bravo, bravo, bravo, absolutely wonderful. Brian Cranston, take a bow.

Romish Ranganathan from the radio, also theatre actor. What you're going to do is you're, and actor, you allow everyone else to have their flowers and everyone will go up, and you'll sort of linger at the back in a polite manner because you're a polite guy and sort of wait for your opportunity to go, oh, nice, well, mate, that was really, really fucking great play.

I think that's what, you know. That would be my strategy, yeah. You're not a good, yeah, you're not. But then the trouble is, sometimes in those moments, your plans don't go to play. And it will be like, you're sort of standing at the back and sort of waiting for that moment to say, well done. And then so everyone would go, oh, guys, thanks so much for coming.

But Brian has to get off now. And you won't get that moment. And then Brian Cancer would go, hey, did you notice the guy, Ramesh, Ranganafant, Nathan, that I thought he was a great guy. We headed off on Radio 2, and he just stood at the back and said nothing. Do you think he hated the play? So you would be put in a situation, I think, where you can't win, because you're a decent man. Well, I think maybe my strategy is to go up and go great play and then move to the back. You know, just really quickly get in the positive praise.

Would you cuddle? Because you're an theatre actor, they're not cuddling. There's in Brut, mate, I think you have to cuddle. I think that's the thing. Well, I had a really... You're in a tactile game now, brother. Well, I had an awful experience, actually, Tom, where we did Rob Rommish versus fashion years ago.

Yeah. And one of the things was David Gandhi was teaching us how to be a model. And then I got invited to this GQ fashion dinner thing. And I went on to that, and David Gandhi was there. And he came over and said, hello. And then I went to, like, do a handshake cuddle. and he actually, I would describe it as a physical, he recoiled. Like, he wasn't, he wasn't down for it.

Do you think, David, I always think Dave Gandy's a good guy, but he's a bit of, a bit of an island. What does that mean? I mean, I know what it means, but would you mean in David Gandy's contest? He doesn't, I just feel like, he feels like he's a bit of a sort of lone wolf in a way. Yeah, maybe. By the way, also, that's a big move for you, by the way, the handshake cuddle. Oh, yeah, I know. That does not feel like that's coming out of your...

Well, it's because he'd been so brilliant on the show. He's a lovely man by all accounts. He's great. And so I was just obviously over-familiar. And I went in for a... Yeah, I went in for a hug. Can I say, by the way, David Gandon, it was beautiful. He'd be in my...

If I was to kiss a man, David Gany of him in the 10 that I'd like to kiss. What are the other nine? I don't know. David Beckham, obviously, would definitely be in the mix. trying to think of probably at Lucian Laviscont I think he'd be a good kisser I think he'd be a few

practice kisses with you I don't want to be your practice guy that's fucking insulting yeah but also I'd end up married like probably like if me and you had any kind of sexual chemistry I'd go fucking hell this is this would be a nice relationship to be a long time

I'm going to say this now if you and I found each other sexually attractive I think Lisa and Kat would have problems keeping the marriage going. Oh, yeah. If we found a way to sort of be up for like snogging and that each other,

I think I, I think I'd probably consider. I'd actually consider, like, you know, if you weren't with Kat, I'd try and convince Lisa to involve you in a thruple. Can I say, by the way, I don't know if I've told this story. Have I ever told the story when I had to do a kiss it scene

with Nigel Planner on the show that I was on? No. No. Nigel Planner. He was in the young ones. Plainer? All right, Plainer. Okay. You're so good at this. What did you mean? You're such...

By the way, can I just say, right? You've done a lot of good stuff of your life. All of this is for nothing if you just fucking learned how to play poker. You'd have been the best poker player in the world, I think. I think you'd literally, poker would have been... Your poker face, I was talking to her, who was it? Ian Smith the other day, the comedian.

I was talking about playing poker. And I said, do you know who'd be the best poker player ever? He was right, I was at Ramesh. I was like, Ramesh is insane. Even if Ramesh literally was sitting there with Richard Pryor and fucking, I don't know, Billy Connolly had a rate of the best comedians, if Rommies told himself that he didn't find it funny and didn't want to laugh, he could do that.

It's very hard to fucking get, like, if Rommish sets his mind to just go in. I'm just going to go Zen. It's like, he can go to a place. I don't know where it is. It's like stranger things. I was like, I have no idea where this place he takes himself to it is. But it's like incredible.

You would have been, I think, like, rain man. Do you know what I mean? Like, it's a beautiful thing to bestow. Yeah, thanks. Behold. Anyhow, me and Nigel Plainer had this kiss. Like, we've got his two characters who sort of, like, throughout the series have this sort of, like, little romance that's going in.

What is this series? It's called cockroaches. Oh, was this where, like, was there the post-apocalyptic thing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm like, cool, okay, cool. We're doing a kissing scene, I'm fine, I'm down with that. So I sort of would, I tell you what do you want to do about this scene? Do you want to practice?

Do you want to, like, you know, is in like, and he was a lot more experienced as an actor than me it's just like what I think probably my second pretty was my first big job

as a sort of main character it was for him it was like yeah and I'd sort of ask him and he'd be like yeah it'll just

yeah it'll be good we'll just talk it'll be fine and then I'll be like cool so then you know when it comes to doing it I sort of had to step forward and sort of like

say this line and then I'd grab him and kiss him and I went to grab him and his head literally went like led backs and it was like he recoiled so much that he nearly fell out of my arms and I was like okay and then he was like sorry sorry I didn't know you're going to go like that I said but this is why I said about practicing kissing and he was like yeah sorry and then and then I went again and

he recoiled and then he just went give me a second I was going to talk to the directors and producers and he went off and they came back and they were like yeah Nigel said that he doesn't want to do the kiss he feels uncomfortable about it I was like and I'd sort of like built myself up to go like you know, it's a big part of the fucking... And I was like, okay, is that... And he said, yeah, he doesn't feel comfortable about kissing you. This is so horrible. I know, and I was like, I don't really feel comfortable kissing a fucking 65-year-old man,

but that was in the script. So, like, if, like, I've psyched myself into a place to go, cool, right, this is brilliant, that's really fucking go for it. It's just the fucking kiss. It's not like, do I mean? It was like, so in the end, they turned it into this moment, which is this beautiful moment, this lovely friendship that builds to a kiss, until I give them a little peck on the cheek.

And even then he just went, you know, like sort of, you know, you know, like when I used to go to the old people's home as a kid to sort of see my grand-in-granddad. Well, look, let me, I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you. This, Tom, if we ever end up in a thing where we have to kiss, I will go for it. Oh, mate, I know you would. I will properly go for it with you.

Yeah. I've got no qualms about that. But so David Gandhi, I think, but then I think David Gandhi would be a bit of a Nigel Plainer. I think he'd be quite, I think he, I think he, I think you think you think that it was going to be a great kiss. Yeah, I mean, you. The truth is that what I don't want is for people to think that it's because it's a guy.

I mean, whenever I've had kissing scenes with a woman, I found that incredibly difficult as well. I mean, it's just really hard, isn't it? Really hard. So with Cranston, right, so you're not going to lock up, you're not going to cuddle him, you're just going to fucking call handshake. Are you going to go up or down? Like up, come into the handshake, like a plane landing, or come up like a, hey, like that. Well, now, man.

Enjoyed that. this guy I think I'll probably cancel my Olivier Award hotel for the night because you've just slayed it Oh gosh I don't know

I'll probably go off instinct The truth is I'm not going to stay behind If I'm allowed to not Mate if the rest of the cast are You have to There's no way you're getting out of that Well no it's just I just I think it's

What do you want The next day everyone would go, oh, we had such a laugh with Pickle. And you're like, who? What do you mean, pickle? It's like everyone would probably call him Cranston Pickle. That's a funny nickname for him. You've got a good in there, nickname-wise. It's a fucking great one.

Try it at least. Don't fucking just run it out. Yeah. Somebody that text in had that same idea about the pickle thing. Really? Yeah. Did you say it to him? Because you could take that.

Well, he didn't do it. Oh, sorry. we seem to have found ourselves in a bit of a cranced and prickle pickle situation. Yeah, I think I'd probably fumble the delivery like you did there as well. What are you talking about? And you go, Brantston Pickle.

Yeah, there you go, what do you mean? Oh, it's a pickle. Pickle? You mean like a guriken? No, it's like vegetables and sort of chopped dice and then put into like a... No, no, no, because you're new rum,

you're active rob. It's a... It's an array of vegetables onions, and I've got to tell you if you've not had a bit of Brantston pickle with cheese and a sandwich, well, Brian, you haven't lived.

Can you take your hand off the side of my face? We must go to afternoon tea. We must. Wait, that's the thing, though. I'll take you to the Ritz. I'll take you to the Ritz. I'll ask them to do extra, I'll say to them,

could we have a couple of Bryans on here? And they'll say what? What do you mean by that? They say, well, I'm with Brian Cranston, Brantston. and it'll give them a bit of a laugh because I'll be honestly, Brian, the people that go in there for afternoon to you could possibly imagine.

So to have a couple of guys in there, they're up for a bit of a laugh, it'll probably take them a back. I imagine it'll take them a while to tune in to what we're doing. But it'll be a nice little treat. If you and Cranston hear it off, you could get a podcast called Cheese and Pickle, and you're like cheese and he's pickle.

I'm just letting it play out how funny you find that. I think it's cute. Yeah, it's cute. But yeah, anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing it. Mate, it's fucking, by the way, what an education. You've seen one of the greatest actors of his time. Yeah, absolutely. Generational talent, would we go that far?

Without doubt. By the way, the range that Brian Cranston has is fucking out there with Harrelson. Yeah. For me. You know what he said? He said, he told quite an interesting story. Oh, he told a lot of interesting stories, but one that stuck out is somebody texted

about him being the dentist in Seinfeld. And there's a bit in, I don't know if you remember the bit where he's going to give Jerry some gas to put him out. And then he tries a bit himself before he gives it to him, and he goes, oh, that's really good. So he said that that was one of his first acting jobs, one of his first TV acting jobs, right?

So he was quite, you know, obviously super young, super nervous. And there was a guy, working on the set like one of the crew and in between like as they're about to get set up he goes you know what would be quite funny the guy said and he goes what's that

and he goes it'd be funny if you had a hit on the nitrous before you give it to Jerry and then he was like yeah that is funny and so Brian Cranston didn't tell anybody he was going to do it so he had the he had the guts to just go I'm going to surprise everybody with this and so took the hit and did it

and apparently like they had to do like eight takes because Seinfeld was cracking up so much and Larry David loved it. But how amazing is that man to have the Bollies to do that? I mean, it's amazing. His character in that, by the way, is one of the best

when he's having the party and Jerry turns up at the party when he's not been invited. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the best things, one of the best ever. That could be like this particular. Yeah, that's where you,

because obviously there's a little bit of truth so you don't want to end up on that fucking side of Brian Cranston. At the moment, you're in Malcolm, the middle territory. Right. Yeah, I don't want you to go water white on me. This is big though, bro.

But, mate, you're a part of West End fucking folklore now. I'm not. I'm not. No, I'm not. Don't start talking like this. I'm doing a play. That's it. Yeah, but the play's cool, bro.

Mate, I'd give my left bollock to be involved in something like this. It's a cool fucking thing to be doing. Mate, this is the thing that life treats us. Me and you, we've been on a long journey together, right? been through a lot of different stuff, right? One thing that I try to look at now is try to be, you gave me some good advice, try to be present and go, shit, this is an enjoyable thing.

Yeah, that's a good advice, that is good advice. You should try that because I, like, genuinely think, you'll skip a heart beat and you'll be a year down the line and you'll be like watching someone else, you know, Josh Whitakom's doing the importance of being earnest or something, and you're like, oh, maybe I didn't enjoy that enough, do you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, you're right. You're absolutely right, Tom.

I'll make you right. Speaking of which, how's the old sitcom going? Good. But I'm taking that in. I'm just enjoying it. I'm enjoying the ride. I'm having fun. Can I say I've been very fortunate to act with some incredible pick.

Lenny Rush is genuinely unbelievable. That kid is, I've never seen anyone be able to, he's just so, his ability as an actor, but to almost throw away really funny lines in such a way that he's not ever overly hitting them home. I mean, I'm playing things at 150%. You surprised me. That's what the character did.

But he's just, I'm acting with him, I need to probably do a little less here. Bring it down a little bit because this kid's acting me off the screen. He's phenomenal, like, yeah, he's really special talent. We know how talent is your, you know. No, no, you're angling for some sort of assurance. No, no, no, I'm not.

Well, I can tell you was, you know, you're an exceptional actor. One of the best comic actors I know, one of the best comic actors anybody knows. You know, you've been responsible. Do you know, if you've seen me Thursday night, your body of work is undernavial? You'd see me Thursday night at the Channel Awards, you probably would have arguably said, I don't know if this guy's ever performed before. Well, you know, I know that you had a sticky corporate the other night. I'd say there's stick it, like, look, to be fair, like, the corporates are the corporates.

Well, let's talk about this incident, because the corporates are corporates. And whenever anybody says to me, like, if somebody approaches you in the street and they go, oh, you're Ramesh, aren't you? And you go, yeah, and you have a little chat. And then they go, I saw you at these awards. It's like, I feel like they're saying, oh, I once saw you with your pants down. Because inevitably, you know that they've seen you have a torrid tie. trying to entertain a bunch of

disinterested people. I've basically seen you eat a big fucking pile of shit. But this is a level beyond that, isn't it? Yeah. But also, I do get it with corporates. It's not about you. You can't have to let your ego go. It's quite humbly. You go in, it's about there, it's about their night. You were just there as a, you know,

to do your stand up and hand out some award. Anyhow. So part of the corporate thing is that you do the awards, the people come on stage, you give the awards and then you do a picture on stage. Right? So, I I'm doing that. And I give an award

and these group of lads come up. And one of them's like sort of circling the stage like he kind of wants a fight. It's just circle. Like it's like, you're like this guy, there's something here. And I sort of think, though, because I'm at the end and I said, but then he's circling around.

And I said, do you want to get in here, like for the picture? And he went, fuck off, mate. Fuck off. Just we don't want you in the fucking picture, mate. And I went, okay, right, right, that's fine. Was he, like, coped up or something? I don't know what, he was, he was so fucking, like, I don't think in my life,

I struggled to know a time where someone's been quite so aggressive for apparently no reason. I mean, unless he just really hated some of my material, which was quite inoffensive, Pab. And I said, okay, fine, man, if you don't feel comfortable with me in the picture, it's fine, he went, just fuck off you, And I went, oh, bro, I said, like, I don't want to be in your picture.

That's a part of my job is to be in a picture, but there's no need for this. And he was seriously, with the fucking look on his face, look like, if someone went, oh, here's a gun, just put this comedian out of his misery, not even put him out of his misery, like, you know, he just looked the disdain and the hatred. I've never seen it. I was like, wow, like, this is fucking inside. And a couple of his mates were like, oh, to his, the guy being angry. Like, you know, sorry, apologize to me.

I was like, no, man, look, I'm fine. I will tell you now, wounded. I was like, absolutely. I bet you were, because the truth of it is, is when you do a corporate, you don't want to do the photo. It's awkward, right? And also, you know, people, the people booking here, they're always very nice, but they'll go,

and be really not, you know, can you step in for the awards and do the photo with them? Because they want it for their photos in, when they do the report on the event or whatever, and some people want the photo of you. but not everybody does. Like, we know that. We're not that arrogant thing

that everybody's desperate in a photo with us. You don't want to do the photo, but you're doing it because you'll be, so the idea that this guy had said to me, sorry Tom, this is about us tonight. Is it okay?

Of course. The real thing to do is go, Tom, do you mind if we do one with you and one without, is that all right? And you wouldn't even batten an eyelid. To be like, one, like the picture thing, I'm like, I get it if you didn't want a picture.

I'd make a joke during a corporate and go, every one of these pictures feels like it's a wedding picture and you're a fucking guy going who's that oh do you remember like Kelly went out with Steve and he was at our wedding and he's now in all of our pictures we've got got I've got wedding pictures with people who have fucking went out with friends of mine

and now I don't talk to them they've got dumped about a month later and you're like now I've got a fucking wedding picture with some random guy who nobody even fucking knows anymore like you know thank God for fucking be out and take someone out of a picture but that's you sometimes like

it's about these people getting an award I get that. I'm fine with it. I'm like, no, you don't want me in the picture. Have your moment. It's fine. But the aggression. I was like, and you know that thing where you're like, similarly to you, I've been in situations where like things have become aggressive and like, I was like, wow, this guy, the hatred, like hate, like pure like, I was like this guy, like, what is it?

What's gone in here? Like, what is his situation? How much of you was worried that he'd seen King Garrow? mate i i couldn't principally put down what bit of my work had offended him to the point where he looked like he wanted it yeah it was horrible man and by the way the look in his eyes told me like oh this if this had been anyone else i'd have happily had the picture but for some reason has a person no that's in your head that's in your head i think i think with the thing with corporates is in my opinion in i mho is that um

a lot of these guys are like for them it's their big night of the year and you're focus pulling by being the comedian and a lot of them might be like the funny person at the office or whatever and what they don't want is some comedian trying to be funny on state like that's like a

they find it sort of some of them I've had it before at corporates where they just find it offensive that you've turned up and tried to be funny like you know it's they just don't want it they don't want you and so that's what's happened that guy's like he might he's probably the funny guy at the office and he's just

like, I don't want to fight. I think. I would say that he was the bully of the office. Well, maybe. But those are from going hand in hand as I know from hanging out with you for a bit. You were proud of yourself with that one. You took a little lean to the side. My guy.

My guy. My guy was smooth. Anyway, did anybody say anything to you about it afterwards? Yeah, the guy running it comes up and was like, what happened? Because a lot of people clock what happened. It wasn't, he wasn't subtle. Yeah. And I was like, yeah, as I said what he said, I was like,

but then in my head, I'm like, maybe this sort, and he went, I've never ever seen anything like that before. And that was right. Lucky, and Gratzio was there, and Gratz was sort of stunned by it. Gratz was very good in those moments. I think Gratz would be a great, you know, like when you see, yeah, I was at the boxing last night, but when you see boxers lose

and you see like their corner man or like them sort of give them, a cuddle. Yeah. Gratz is great when you've had a good gig. He's almost better when you've had a moment like that. But the other thing is you didn't lose. You know, I mean like it's not, it's not on you. It's not a failure in your part that this guy's behaved like he has. And I'm hoping, fingers crossed, that guy's looking at his behavior then and regretting it. By the way, no, no, no, no, no. You know, some people you think, oh, that's drinking drugs. Yeah. And, and tomorrow morning, he will have that awful feeling.

of waking up and having anxiety about, like, the moment. Because none of us are perfect. All of us have been drunk and, you know, have I been drunk and said something I regretted or being a fucking absolute prick or just that alcohol could, you know, of course, every one of us has had anxiety. We're all at the Gary Rat Party. But anyway, go on. You are such a twat.

But he, I can tell you now, this bloke, right, this guy was evil to his very core. If I saw in a year's time that he was a serial killer, I would go, yeah, that makes sense. There was no empathy or humour or anything with him. There was just evil that ran through his fact. Like, genuine, like, there was no even humour when he went fuck off to me. It was like pure hate. Like, when I can't describe it, it was like, just mean, just vile. Well, you know, he's probably got something going on.

But also, do you know what? I look at it and I'm trying, I've talked. taking some inspiration from you with meditation, things that you said to me. I'm like, you know what? I had to deal with the shit. That's in me. For that evening, that was pretty shitty for the next day. It was pretty shit. I go out to do a gig. I spend some time with my family.

I talk to you about it, and I let it go. Like, genuinely, it's done. He's got to live being that person. That's on him. I mean, look, the truth is that it's no reflection on you. I think the ultimate aim is to allow those things to not affect you at all. Who cares what that guy?

You know, that guy's behaved in that way. for whatever reason there's lots of reasons that he could be like that for all you know he could be going through just an absolutely torrid time

and this is his way of like getting some feeling some sort of power you know like he sort of felt you know that that's his way of doing it and I'm not saying it's right but there's all sorts of reasons that guy could have gone through

a hundred things that have made him that have led him to behave like that and it's not right it's not pleasant for you can I just say like I'm not a great reader of this right when people have been through shit and there's there's an aggression that comes through that there's a vulnerable ability in a weakness I don't have you been watching Danny Boy 83 I don't know if you've watched any of him um yeah I've

not I've not I've not watched him as religiously as you have and I certainly haven't been posting stories about him but I'm aware of his uh I was about to say work but it isn't work he's sort of documenting of his ongoing adventures yeah I'm aware of the guy so I've been I mean, I've been watching just because he comes from... Can you just give a bit of context of people that might not know? So this is a guy who they call himself to... I mean, he's a disgusting human being in a lot of ways. Jesus Christ, okay.

No, no, no, he calls himself to brass father. He's a cocaine-taking guy who travels the world as a sex tourist, essentially. He's sort of our age, so it's a real sadness to that. I mean, if you break it down, because I know quite a few people who know him, and there's sort of a lot of stories you hear and he's not particularly but there's an act so my point being with him right

when you watch his videos what's quite interesting in the world that we live in at the moment he's completely unfiltered he says awful things but that's why I think people like him right he's making nice yeah but also there's also a vulnerability to him

there's a like when I don't know how much you've watched but he falls out he gets on coke he falls out with nearly everyone he's around he implodes and then you can see the regretting you can see in his eyes that he regrets these things yeah there's a vulnerability to and even when he's being like angry about situations and how he rants you go okay this is someone who's who doesn't know like he's like he's not cold it's all very hot do i mean his emotions are completely peeking all the time so and i've spent a lot of time around different inclinations of

men and alpha men and how they deal with emotion and you can see where people like there's a vulnerability and people want help but also when people are cold and there's an anger to it like when people have been through a lot there's a there's a hitting out there's a thing of going right you can't control those feelings but when it's manned and it's cold and it's fucking that that's a deeper thing that that goes into something and so i'm not saying that there's not any kind of like deep emotional because there's clearly that to be that that fucking nasty for one of a better word but that's not about like I've been for I might be

from some recent aspect like this goes way back and the defence in me and the anger in me that's so fucking deep seated it's cold and measured and that's what I mean and when you read stuff

about people who become you know whatever that usually is the thing that takes place because it's something it's trauma that they're dealing with from a long way back

but I do think so that coldness if you're confronted by something like that it's in your interest to go I don't need to get the better of this guy I don't need to win an exchange.

Oh, no, no, no, no. But also, it's better to walk away because that fucking situation, man, is like, like someone like that is just like, there's no getting food to. I'm a fucking, I'm a fucking wally who tells jokes for a living. There's nothing I can fucking do to get through that. If it made him feel a little bit better to make me feel like that fucking bad and pathetic, then go on, man, just that's, that's on you. Go ahead and have your fucking moment.

But that, sadly, just, yeah. Can I say actually, in a world of where, where you say, I don't know if you've seen Chris Eubank talking I'm, you know, after the fight. Yeah, I did watch it, yeah. Like he, Chris Eubank, and the turnaround Chris Eubank's done in his career, but and I'm glad for Conner because I think Connor can go on to do very special things and in the world of boxing now.

But the way Chris Eubank talked after that fight, I think is, it was just the humble nature of how he speaks spoke at the feet. It's pretty amazing to be honest with. Yeah, it was incredible to see. Yeah, he sort of basically, so for people that don't, I don't know. Chris Eubank Jr. and Connor Ben had a fight last night, their second fight. And Conner Ben, I mean, Tom, you know more about boxing than I do, but Conner Ben basically outclass Chris Eubank. There was something going on there, I think, with Eubank. But anyway, but Conner Ben won. And then in the interview afterwards, Eubank was just, I don't want to talk about me because I don't want anything to detract from how good Connor Ben was. And I looked for something. I didn't have it. and he was really, really great, and I respect him, and he's a great fighter and all that.

And it's amazing to see him talk like that with such an absence of ego, but also in light of the fact that they've been trash-talking each other non-stop. For five years. Yeah, and this is something that goes back to their dads, you know. And so for him to, in the wake of that defeat, it would have happened so soon after the fight, for him to be able to take a step back and be that humble, is like it's almost as impressive as preparing and being in the fight is the way that he

conducted himself afterwards it's an incredible thing to see it's amazing i can't say the incredible thing not to see was some of the fights around us last night were fucking terrified this is one of the things that puts me off going to boxing man to be honest to do it is like i was there with katherine and we were like it was just there's a fight that broke out like seven bit of a tear up, right? What happened? Yeah, yeah, that was someone trod on her trainer

and she just went crazy. Yeah, she went elbows in, right? Yeah, she fights with her elbows. She fights like a T-Rex, short moves. Yeah, no, she's ficed in. It was terrified, though. Yeah, I had that when I went, I went to watch Tyson Fury against Dillian White

whenever that fight happened years ago. And it was the same thing, just like, it was just like really leery. You felt like you could get into, if you wanted to, you could get into a fight in a heartbeat, That's what we felt like to me. The edginess of walking out of the stadium

like to go home. You could just see people looking around. It was a Tottenham, wasn't it? Yeah, it's a Tottenham, yeah. That's had everything in it. But so it was almost like, anyone interested in a fight? I'll fancy a fight.

I don't need any reason. Just waiting over here at the corner here. Yeah. If anybody wants a life-changing tear up where like 30 seconds sort of ruins the next six months of your existence and yeah, let's do it. Should we do some emails, Tomai?

Let's do it, my baby. Let's do it, my king. Okay, this is from the nerdy badger. Once again, if you do have emails, I know there's a thing at the end, it sounds like the 18, but Wolf Alpod at gmail.com. Hello, Wolf Alcat and Swan.

I'm a huge fan of the pod. I'd like to thank you for the joy you bring every week. Well, thank you very much. It's very sweet of you. student of German history, I wanted to point out that in the early days of the Nazi party, there was a guy who was a friend of Hitler, a fellow party member and leader of the

Palomituary wing who went by the name Ernst Rom. Oh, wow. He didn't last too long as he was murdered one night in 1934 in a purge of the Nazi party and what became known as the Night of the Long Nights. The Night of Long Nights, yeah. Anyway, well done for being slightly behind the game.

Anyway, just wanted to let you know in case you were considering making up T-shirts rather much with a similar name on it. I loved Ernest Rom that we heard in season 4 episode 45. I wanted to hear more of that guy but I don't want you guys to be cancelled. Keep doing you, you sweet, sweet souls. I was thinking, actually reading

that, so he's worried that Ernest Rom is going to get confused with Ernst Rom. I think we lean into it. I think we really go heavy Nazi on the memorabilia, you know? What do you think? I know it's an edgy move but... What you do? Like a hail.

Hold on once a bit. I'm just sitting with my dog. Ivy. Ivy, come here. What are you doing? Well, Ivy, out. Come on. Off you go. What's you doing? She's just coming in here and looking very much like she wanted to take a piss on my rug. Oh, wow. She sort of was starting to assume the position. They think here is outside because they're not allowed here.

Oh, really? So when they come here, they think they're doing the right thing by pissing in your fucking office. I've had it with Reggie once. I'm not having it with Ivy. She gave me the look as if I'm going to go for it. Anyway, thank you so much for me. But what do you think, Tom, about that merch I do? a good much idea. Also, I do miss Ernest Rom.

Ernest Rom was beautiful. It's a really, like, beautiful. I mean, we've had so many different inclinations of Roe. Theater Rom, by the way, is really fucking... It's almost life he's a guy that hasn't really found his true identity and it's just walking through sort of code switching and pretending to be... ...ponding to be whatever he was required to be for a certain situation.

And actually, there's no authenticity about him at all. Actually, if he had any integrity, he'd pick a lane and stick to it. The fucking loser. Anyway, as I said, don't... talk yourself down. It's all about being positive. Do you know what I mean? Okay. Let's get into the next email. This is anonymous. Okay. Dear chums,

my good... Wow, nice start. My good lady and I moved to Australia in September. I used to live here. Gatay, mate. Good. And I have a bunch of good friends from here when I was at school, and she's always wanted to live here, but I don't really know anyone. Long story short, we moved here just before her

birthday. I'm not using her name out of a wish to remain anonymous. And invited about 20 plus mates to a surprise party. all of which turned up, we had a great time. However, we just had a housewarming party today, and most of the same crew turned up, and again, we had a good time. When things were wrapping up,

two of our mates were arranging their plans for tomorrow. It turns out another mate of ours, who was at my partner's surprise party, is hosting a surprise party of their own for their partner, and we haven't been invited. Given they're also immigrants, and we've invited them to everything we've planned, it feels a bit shitty that they've completely ignored us for this one.

It's a brunch as well, so they wouldn't have even had to pay for us being there. Anyway, are we right to feel a bit put out about this? On one hand, I don't give a shit. What they do is up to them. But on the other hand, I feel like they know what it's like moving country. It would be no skin off their back to include us or at least invite us, especially after we invited them, us all in our group plans.

What do you reckon? Cheers, chaps. Tom, sticky one. What do you think, my gee? Well, it's a, number one, I think the person, they say, we don't give a shit, but I get the thing, they've emailed a podcast. and I think they probably do care.

Yeah, there is a certain quantity of shit given, isn't there? Let's be honest, yeah. Yeah. I personally, I think it is a shitty, shitty situation to find yourself in. I think number one, like, if you're like the new sort of, like you've had these two quite, you've had the sort of two quite two big parties and there's an, there's an argument that they could sort of like start worrying that you're taking the sheen off things.

What you start realizing the older you get, that within groups of people, people find their place and when any new sort of person comes into the group or there's a sort of slight change of dynamics it makes people quite edgy and I always think

it's sort of you slightly find it with we're now just getting into a situation with you know great starting school when you've got you start to meet other parents and stuff and that like everyone's just trying to find their lane and find out who they are and we're constantly doing that

in life anyway, you know, as new frontiers and new journeys begin. But, and I think what will happen in situations like that, I think there's a lot of like them, so they turn up at your party even potentially if they, you know, because they don't want to miss out because they realize that you're now sort of becoming a sort of part of a group and they haven't really got any much control over the fact that you've had these parties, you've had a surprise party, and they're sort of turning up and playing that part of the game. But they do have a control in whoever comes to. this surprise party

I think it's shitty behaviour I think it's it's a bit juvenile in a lot of ways I think people deal with a lot of problems and things like this just thinking for their own self-preservation without thinking the repercussions it has on others I think that we're

all slightly culpable of that I think but when people do things like this it's their own them thinking okay right well let's us try and have some sort of control on this thing and we want to be this cool couple of having the surprise party and we're quite a bit intimidated by this

so let's keep that at an arm's length and it's a sad way of being I think it's a weird thing because that then has a ramification on you both and you start you will start like as much as you say I don't really care about being there and if everyone else that you're and you're in a new life and you've got new friends around you

and there's vulnerability to what the position you find yourself in and you should by the way also sound that out and not it's the thing I've spent most of my life going oh it's fine I don't know it's cool yes and actually not articulating that actually

I know that does feel pretty shitty or well no that's helped my feelings and I think if therapy has taught me one thing it's even if you don't say it to these people because you don't want that confrontation but at least admit to yourselves and go that feels shitty that feels fucking and actually why aren't we going because

we should it would be nice if we could go to that rather than, well, we don't want to fucking go anyway, because that will, in you, that would spark a sort of animosity towards those people that isn't healthy. So if you could be up front and open about, it feels shit and you can discuss it between yourselves,

you're kind of just dealing with that yourselves, and next time you see them, you've dealt with that and it's gone rather, you're going, it's kind, it's full, it's cool, it's cool, yeah, it's cool, we don't know, it's fucking fine, it's fine, it's cool, it's cool. And then when you see them, you've got this thing in your pit,

it pit your stomach that is just an anger. that anger sort of grows and eats away at you. And we've all got those little balls of anger that manifest over the years and the best thing to do for your health and your mental health and physical health is try to have as little amount of animosity or anger towards others as you possibly can.

Let it go and move on. Anyway, Ron. Yeah, thank you so much, I'll sort of agree with Tom. I do sort of agree with Tom. But, look, first of all, I think both things are true in that I think my, okay, if I was to summarize what I think, I don't think they've done anything wrong, but I also think you're okay to feel a bit put out by it.

The reason that you feel put out by it is that you've just moved there and you're nervous about your place in society over there. And so you're feeling very fragile and vulnerable about what your social standing is. And that's why you're put out by it. But what I would say is I think that it's arguably you're assuming the worst in this. You moved there in September. They might have organised this brunch beforehand, but you might have found out that they haven't done. They might just feel like they don't know you well enough to invite you to this brunch.

It might be that there's like a specific circle of people that they're inviting and you haven't made the cut. And that is okay. You know, I think that one of the things, one of the habits that we fall into is when you're not invited to something or not included in something and I've been guilty of this and that's the reason I'm able to talk about it in this way is that and everybody is where you just go oh they must not like me or they're leaving us out or they're doing something vicious or they're doing something mean-spirited but

the the truth is the more likely thing is they just didn't think to invite you they don't know you well enough and it's a closer circle or whatever and I don't think it does you any good to get bitter about it I think just accept it you know I think that and I know that's difficult. I'm saying it in a blase way. It's not easy to do that. But that is the healthiest thing to do. It's to just go, we've not been invited that. We're not going to not start inviting them to stuff because we're doing some sort of revenge thing. We're just going to behave as normal. We don't know what the circumstances are for the reason we invited. And you don't even need to mention it. It's just you didn't get invited. And that is, it's as complicated and

as simple as that. And all you've got to do is continue being yourselves. And ideally, what happen is you move to a point where they do start thinking and we must invite them because we like them so much. But I think that if you allow this to fester, as Tom said, if you allow this to fester it suddenly becomes, this could easily become a thing that becomes a problem with you to if you allowed it to. You could go

right, well we're not inviting Zwaithu, we're going to invite everyone apart from them and then they think, why have they not done that? And then you have an argument or whatever. You know, it could become a thing. It could really become a thing. Do not let it become a thing. You didn't get invited. It's as simple as that and it's nothing. It is nothing. And I know that's easier said than done. But the truth of it is

is this doesn't have to be a thing. And you know, let it go. As Tom said, just let it go. It's not worth your time and energy. It sounds like, you know, you're having parties, you've got, I mean, having 20 plus mates to cut 10 up at a party, you're laughing, man. I mean, what a wonderful situation to be in. I've got 20 friends I can invite. No, I can't think of 20 people I can invite to a thing So, you know, just be happy with that

You know, don't look at the negatives Look at the positives And good luck to you, I hope it all goes well Go well, friend There we go, Tom, it's about that time, my Jay Yeah Could you do us the honour Of taking us out of this little thing

We call podcast Yo, New Frontiers Wow, space is scary, friend I'm not talking about space I'm talking about challenges day-to-day. He's looking across the screen and I see a guy who's quite a little bit bigger, taller even. He's challenged himself to do something he's never done before.

Sometimes that challenges can be big. A changing career? Thank you, sir. A change in history. I believe so, ma'am. Your forefathers could have told you anything. But one thing that I always want to tell you is cherish the little moments you have right now. sometimes challenges can be life changing sometimes they can just be mood changing moment

changing I'm gonna cook some cupcakes cupcakes you've never cooked cupcakes I know what a time to start I think challenges are like footsteps sometimes you don't know how hard they are until you can't do them no more that's the truth every day should be a challenge something small something intrinsic something you can pay yourself on the back and go, hey, Bill, I did that. Sarah, I nailed it. And you know what? Before you know it, that person you used to be will be someone looking at you going, how did you get so fucking cool? Believe in the challenges, believe in the process, and enjoy the journey. Wow, really good. Thanks so much. Thanks so much, Tom. Great stuff. Can I, do you mind if I take this

opportunity to give myself a plug here Tom is that all right? Yeah, of course, of course, of course. My new tour, Romish Rang and Athon will change your life, the show where I attempt to change your life was going on sale next week. So if you got any interest at all in coming along, please feel free to, you know,

start to the mainlandist and all that question. I can't wait to see what this is, by the way. This sounds like it's going to be inventive, it's going to be different from anything I've ever seen before. And I'm excited by that. It's not going to be different from anything. What is it? It's a challenge. Yeah, it's not going to be different from anything you've ever seen before. Let's

get that out of the way. But I am attempting to change people's lives. That is true. So, you know. If you, by the way, if you want to come to a stand-up show that isn't changing lives, it's just an indulgent hour of a dickhead telling self-deprecating stories. Tickets for Spuggan are also available at vigton-davis.com.

Yes, please do go to that. It will change your life. That will change your life in that, you know, you'll go to a show. Yeah, you'll feel better about yourself. Yeah, that's... Oh, God, I'm not such a loser. Yeah, well, I actually do have something about me in a way that this person I've played to see doesn't. And that's true of both of our shows. actually, I'd say.

Could we please, J.T, play us out with, I had heard loads about this album, and then I listened to it the other night, and it's pretty, it's a pretty mad record. It's one of the most, like, uh, I'm so, honest,

like, open. Uh, it's Lily Allen, West End Girl. Oh, wow. Can we, could we? We should have done a whole thing on this, by the way. It's a fucking banging album. My God, man. That record, Can I say, Lily Allen?

Lily Allen is like, burst onto the scene, right? Yeah. I think it's fair to say back in the day. And everyone's kind of, you know, fucking great actress doing a thing. Does a brilliant podcast with Mercator Oliver. Yeah, brilliant. But like, almost like you just go, oh, maybe she's just, like, music's just something she's not going to do anymore. Like, she's so multifaceted and so talented.

And all of a sudden, it's like an uppercut just comes and smacks you on the chocks. And you're like, oh, fuck, this person still can smash it. It's really good. So, JT, please play a sack with that. Thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Very much appreciate your time. Stay, same kind, stay divine, people. I'm going to fully admit something that I started this podcast

bragging about the eight hours sleep and that I defeated jet lag. And as it's gone on, I've increasingly discovered that I'm absolutely exhausted and I'm probably going to go to sleep straight after we log off of this. So thank you so much, guys. Take a video of you sleeping for us all because we all need to see that. My guy. Bye.

And now we're all here. We've moved to New York. We found a nice little rental near a sweet little school. Now I'm looking at houses with four or five floors and you found us a brown stone said you want it. It's yours. So we went ahead and we bought it. Found ourselves a good mortgage.

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