Wolf and Owl - Three Peaks Challenge, Intrusive Thoughts & Anxiety When Things Go Well

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

Will Tom and Rom finally conquer the National Three Peaks Challenge? Can the Owl's advice on intrusive thoughts help you stop bracing for disaster when life is going well? And how would they handle finding out the world is ending? Plus, the power of listener email strikes again, and Rom is heading back to Tunbridge Wells! If you've got a problem that no one else can solve, email us at [e-mail] and become one of the hoard. Don't forget to like and subscribe! A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters: 00:00 - Intro00:36 - London Marathon03:20 - Movie audition08:11 - Three Peaks10:16 - Tunbridge Wells16:30 - The pain body18:48 - Join the hoard Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the... Welcome, welcome! Yo, ride up, right in. Here comes Rami with something profound to say. It's the Wolf and Out email episode. Thanks so much for your amounts. Remember to like and subscribe, if you could. Wolfelpod.gat.gml.com is the address.

Email one. Yo. Yeah. What do you want? Beak or jaws, feathers or fur. Sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's prefer. Just kidding. Every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog

Tom is going to read the first email for Do you want me to? I'll do, I'll do it. Go on then. Dear Wolf and Al, long time listener, first time riding in. I've listened to the pod since day one.

Fellow Crawley Citizen with the Ow. Is that work? Do you say citizen if you're from the same town? It's not a city, isn't it? What's ridiculous thing to ask me that question? Is it townism or something? I've got no idea. And over the years, you've really.

helped me grow in confidence by sharing your own experiences and always picking each other up. The hour in particular has inspired me, seeing him run the London Marathon and show that anyone can do it, how important and beneficial running is. Between that and everything else you both talk about, it helped me stop being scared of my own shadow and actually put myself out there, which is why I entered the London Marathon this year. And unbelievably, get got in on a charity place, mind to prove myself that I can do something out of my comfort zone and on my own all thanks to you both I'm currently deep in the trenches of training I bet you are what's a really mean thing to say no but this is the time when you're really in it you didn't mean that you're really great either way

I bet you are I didn't but your podcast gets me through every single run I bet it does and I honestly couldn't be more grateful I bet you couldn't so thank you inspired iguana inspired iguana thank you so much that's a lovely thing man do i think you do in the marathon inspired more people than you'd know

it's very sweet it's actually really nice if that's true i mean i'm sure it is true why they're lying a lie no i'm not saying a lie to make i don't want to pretend that i'm running the marathon to make no i'm not saying the inspired iguana narcissistic

i'm not saying they're made it up and saying they might be giving me too much credit for them no no i don't think i think you doing the marathon inspired it's it's certainly inspired me to try and do something. Yeah. What is it? I don't know.

I'm still trying to find that thing. But I do think watching someone you're close to, do something, go through a rigorous training regime. Like, and a lot of people didn't think you were going to do it. No. Right? To actually do it twice? And they were nearly right.

No, but you did. And do you know what? And both times, second time I believe you had injuries and you were all different. And you still completed it. Still completely. That is something. It doesn't matter. And what happens?

When you're sitting, you know, in your older years and you sit with your grandkids. I'm there now, mate. 60 years old and Theo's little boy comes running in and goes Quaid it Ramish tell us about the time that you ran the marathon

Where is he from? America Okay Theo's becomes like Theo's gone to America Yeah He's on Broadway or something Oh no he's probably

Yeah Broadway's done a Marvel movie Yeah You know Marry's his American sweetheart Speaking of movies Yeah Alex has auditioned for the same movies Yeah

Oh really? Yeah Oh incredible Which is the one I spoke to you About the other day Yeah How okay That's cool. It's an insane project.

Yeah. It's weird that they're going for the two of you for the same part. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it could go in it. It's the only audition I've ever done where you have to act without words. Yeah. Which is insane. Yeah.

No, literally a lot of this. Okay. I think you're playing fast and loose with without words. You said two. Yeah, yeah, but that's at the end. I added that. Yeah, I know. Okay, but those are words, aren't they?

I added it because I didn't know if you'd know what I was doing. I knew what you were doing. Okay. Do you want me to do it without the words? Well, no, I think I'll get it. I can just imagine you not saying the words. I don't want to see the whole thing again. What if you said?

A third time on this. Yeah. So this one is you get back to your room. Yeah. And it's been smashed up. Okay. And you hear something in your bathroom. It's a hotel.

Okay. Oh, for crying. What do you think? It's actually all right. What was wrong? There was a moment where it's sort of like, Like, it was quite busy with the body. Yeah. I mean, I'm sat down.

You make him re-eering act going, walking into a hotel room. You're sat. Okay, I didn't realize it was like a joke. What? You're doing this. So let's do one where you do the act out, but I don't know what it is. Okay, cool, cool. You're reading the paper.

You're on the train. And then you remember the time that you shut yourself once. No. No. I'm more serious than that. What is it then? Is the end of the world? in the paper.

No, it's saying in the paper. Why would it say in the paper? What would you find out from a newspaper that it's the end of the world? No, because I haven't got a phone. It's the olden days. It's the olden days? Yeah, like it's before phones and social media.

I didn't watch the news or listen to the radio. That's how you'd react to the end of the world. Yeah. Show me again? It looks like you're relieved. Yeah, but the characters going through a tough time. Okay.

All right. Give me one. Here's one. Oh, for crying out how this fit. I'm not... Is that the end of the world too? No. I thought it was on TV

and you're not watching it. Football? No. Oh, watching Mar Singer. No. No, that's not how to react to watching Masked Singer. Like it was someone you wasn't expecting it to be. Like it was a big name.

No, no, that was what it was. I'm watching the news. They're talking about a horrible crime and then I realize it's somebody I know that's in the footage. What fucking is well good. That's a really good one. Thanks. Yeah.

Okay. Okay. Anyway, inspired iguana, sorry, we've slightly digressed from your... The truth, I don't think I've done anything of that magnitude where I think things like, a feat like running the matter of, but I generally think is something that I find inspiring. And I'm, I keep on thinking of doing something myself. You should do. That I actually feel like, oh, well, that's a feet worth.

Maybe swimming. Well, you know, I said about the Three Pinks Challenge. Yeah, why don't you do that? Why don't we do that together? Yeah. That would be something I genuinely would be invested in. Yeah, she would do it. Yeah.

in 24 hours that would be incredible yeah scaffold Snowden well scaffold it scaffolding I thought you meant I had to scaffold it no

okay we're looking at it now what's the three peaks Ben Nevis yeah scaffold pike and snowdon yeah okay yeah that would be the sort of thing

if I did that then I know you heard it here first Wolf and Al are doing the three peaks challenge when are we doing it let's do it in it doesn't matter

it doesn't matter when I'm it's April for our birthdays April for our birthday birthdays. We are doing the three-beach. When is your birthday? When's it? Oh yeah. At the April. Let's do it between our birthdays. It's your birthday celebration. All right, there you go. Look out for it. Yeah. We will need... Email number

two. Okay. Hold on. I want to give some advice from Spider-Gwana. You're knee-deep in marathon training. This is the really tough part where the distances start to increase. Dissances start to increase. Just find whatever you can do to make as comfortable as possible. Make sure you find the right gels, you know, to fuel yourself on the way. properly. Mandra electrolytes feel good. Do you do gels?

No, so why did you say that? You can use mangroil electrolytes if you want but they don't do gels. You should do gels, you know? Yeah, no, we should, but they taste incredible medrial electrolytes.

Yeah, they do, yeah. Manjural protein, tastes incredible. You've not mentioned it for a while. What's going on with Mandrail? It's going well, but I feel like I shouldn't mention it too much because it feels like, you know, public something.

Anyway, good luck to you. Let us know how it goes. And thank you so much. It means a lot to me. You've got a friend in us. You got a friend in us. it means a lot that you are doing the marathon as

partly as a result I think as well if you complete the marathon you should have to get a tattoo of ROM on your elbow doesn't feel like an incentive does that? That'd be an amazing thing

and people go I don't know there's that wrong my franginathan on your elbow how about this go on do it do it do it this is what we need

fucking moment if you complete it get in touch with proof and I'll get a tiny tattoo of an iguana on my body somewhere ohish sexy maybe here

that'd be cool actually you look cool with a face Okay, next email. A jelly roll. Dear Wolf Al, Cat and Swan, I love the podcast, and this is listening that's got me through some tough times. Whenever I feel low, I know I can count on the wolf an hour

to pick my spirits up. That's nice, isn't it? When you guys had a few weeks off, I had to go back and listen to old episodes. I've re-listened to everything from the start. Listening to episode 34, Ramesh mentions his worst gigs were at Tumbridge Wells. Yeah. Seeing Rob Beckett tomorrow at Tumbridge Wells, my condolences.

And wondered why neither Tom or Ramesh have come to Tumbridge Wells. As Tom avoided it because of Rommish's past, experiences. What I want to know is when you guys put your tours together, do you avoid areas where you've had bad gigs or do you find them as a challenge to come back and prove them wrong? I hope you both come to Tombridge Wells and I hope Tom Convinces Rom to go for sweet beers with the locals and me keep up the amazing work guys and please you bring so much joy to us all can't pick an animal name so love Pat Tombridge Tombridge Wells why is it not on your tour thing? I do so I I've never thought about not having you do it. Yeah I would do Tambridgewell it's just not I don't I think at the moment we're we've gone with a smaller group of dates to try and sell tickets. I think that we're very worried.

Is it possibly going to expand the tour then? Yeah, I mean, if we could sell a few more tickets and the places we're already in, it would mean it would incite us to go to some other places. I think there are places which I haven't chosen to go to because I don't think I had particularly good tour shows last time. And also where you've had bad gigs, I think. Yeah.

I mean, for some reason we're going to Ireland again. That's where you're Irish, that makes. Yeah, but selling tickets. I love being Irish, but it's a very one-way street, this, when it comes to selling tour to it. I mean, this will come out after the island shows. Yeah. So by that time, hopefully the sort of depression.

Do you think the part of the problem is that people don't really see you as Irish because of the way you present? I also think that they don't see me as funny or a commission for the shit lack of ticket sales. I think it's completely fucking irrelevant whether I'm Irish, Canadian, French, I think it's fair to say that people go, nah, I don't really fancy that on a Saturday. But anyway, you're going. Yeah, but you know what?

And last tour time. Can I just say in your defence? Yeah. Island. Yeah. Tickets sales always slow. It's going to be a hell of a four days there. Yeah.

But you know what? I really let it get to me in the last tour to the point where it started really crushing my confidence of my mental health. It really like... What did? Just really bad tour sales. Right. And it really, I ended up really just being very...

much questioning what the fuck am I doing and why why do why I didn't know that I don't think you tell me that no well I just I found it very very hard I've had it very like uh so I think in it but this time around I'm taking it less personally and I'm trying to just actually just be like fuck it is what it is for the people who come hopefully I can put on a good good show yeah um but I can't you know it is what it is yeah you know and you can't let it you know get wreak it in other parts of your life I mean I mean I I do want to just counteract this. Yeah.

And I know you're saying the island ticket, but you do big rooms everywhere. So I don't want people to suddenly think that... Oh, yeah, no, no, no, no. But the problem is people, if you say things, people believe them. But you're selling really well across the country. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's places where there's good ticket sales.

I'm just saying, I've looked. I look so much. You're seating plans and everything. But, no, for some reason, that one just doesn't sell. But also it is... But I don't want people to think that's... What I'm saying is, I'm worried about you.

You know, I don't want you to, I don't want you to, I don't want to be able to think that's what the case is across the whole tour. Oh no, no, no, no, no. It's only the island dates

and most of the UK ones. It's only the island dates, Scotland, Wales, yeah. Most of the north of England, anywhere outside, Surrey and Essex. South End's done well, though.

Yeah, South End has done really well, and so is Chatham. But I don't, I don't think, I suppose you do. There's certain places you hear other comedians talk about having really bad gigs.

and I think there's probably three or four places that people sort of speak about. It will be a long time before Guildford see we do comedy again. Really? Mm-hmm. Really? Mm-hmm.

I enjoyed Guilford both times I did. Did you? Yeah. Well, I guess everyone has different bars, don't I? But Guilford is not going to see me anytime soon. With regards to Tamidge Wells, I did say, by the way, I've got nothing against Guilford. Tombridge Wells, I did have, when I started,

just death after death there. Yeah, yeah. And so obviously then you get to a point where you start to associate Tumberidge Wells with a bad time. And also, you know, that sort of prove people wrong, we're not like,

we're not, this is not, you're not a politician. Like if they don't like you, they don't like you. Do you know what I mean? So in certain areas, they've got different types of humour. If in Tumbridge Wells

for some reason they don't like Romish rang and Nathan, fine. So maybe I will, look, now that you've sent the email and now I feel a bit bad about, it. Do you know what? Do a little work in progress.

I'm going to come and do a work in progress at the time. I'm going to literally after this podcast because of your email I'm going to message the flow off the curb and say please can you put me in. So there you go. There you go. You've made it look man. This is what emails can do to the podcast. Maybe I'll

support you. No. At Tumbridge Wells you see how to get on. Why? Why? I'm going back to Tumbridge Wells which I haven't been to for a while nervous about how the gig's going to go and then I invite Mr. fucking anxiety driver to come and like,

and because I think, the problem with you is, even when you're thinking you're being nice, you're being horrible, you'd be going fucking hell like, this is a, like,

I've taken my half to you, like, so fucking brave, coming back here because you fucking diet. I remember, you've like eating shit here. And then because,

just because of one email you've decided to come back. Fucking hell, man, fair play. But I'm nervous. I can't imagine how you're feeling, mate.

And I ain't never died in either. Oh. For Cribs sake. Oh, cricky. I'll say something profound. I'm going to have a cupcake. That'll make me feel better. This cupcake thing, I ate a cake.

You've got a cupcake energy, but... Okay, fine. It's running through your veins. It's coursing that sugar won't let you be. Let's do a quick fire. Let's squeeze this in. Hello, well, for now, I'm the nervous new. Every time something good happens in my life, I immediately wait for it to go wrong, and I can't just enjoy things.

My question is, how do you stop bracing for disaster all the time? This is something I've got a direct answer to. That is something called the pain body, as Eckhart Tolly calls it. And this is a thing where it is human nature to look for negatives when you're enjoying something. It is actually inbuilt in us. I do this all the time. Yeah, it's inbuilt in us that when things are going well, you don't trust it and you're looking for the negative in something. And it's really, really difficult to live with.

And everybody has it to a lesser or greater degree. but sometimes you can amplify that voice. I do have some advice. I need advice. I want to be honest with you. I suffer this big. Okay, this is my advice to you because I've actually done quite a bit of reading about this.

Part of the problem that you've got is you're associating those thoughts with reality, right? And actually, your mind and what your mind generates is not you. It is your brain, your mind, even that inner voice that's talking is not you. And so what you need to do

is you need to sort of observe that. that as if it's something that's just passing, almost like something that's appearing on a television screen or a cinema screen in front of you, it doesn't define how this thing is going. So if you're enjoying something and you're going, this is going to go wrong, you can have that thought. Don't try and stop that thought because it will make it worse. But what you can do is observe it like it's on a passing advertising billboard or whatever. Like you've had that thought and then you just let it go. The mistake you make is gripping onto it and going, that must mean how this is going to go. It isn't. Your mind is just generating.

this thing and you do not have to react to it. It's your choice whether you react to it or not or internalise it. Your mind is just a thing throwing things up there and we make the assumption that that is like it's tied to us, it isn't actually. Your mind is just generating thoughts as it's designed to do. You observe it,

you go, oh that's interesting that I felt like that and you let it go and practice doing that. Practice doing that and you'll get better and better at it. That's my advice. There's no point me saying anything on. That is fucking I generally is one of my biggest struggles in life constantly. Me too, man. But that is that was one of the times in this podcast I've just sat here, listened to you in absolute awe.

genuinely, that was fucking amazing. Thank you for doing it. Oh my God. So, that is us. Do you want to close us out? I should take this baby home. I hope you've enjoyed it. I hope you've learned something. Like, well, you don't have to do this.

You don't have to do the whole, you know. If you've emailed in, I hope your answers were met well, and we help you out somewhere. Ladies and gentlemen, like, subscribe, become one of the hoard. And remember, if you've got a problem, and no one else can help, email Wolfowpod at gmail.com. See you next time.

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