Wolf and Owl - Timothée Chalamet, Ewoks and How To Interview

Episode Date: May 25, 2026

What pictures did Tom send to Timothée Chalamet? How can Romesh improve his interview technique? And why does Tom dislike Ewoks? Plus, impressions of Justin Timberlake and Ricky Martin and we debate just how good rhubarb is. Send your thoughts on rhubarb and anything else that’s on your mind to [e-mail] A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters 00:00 - Intro00:55 - Rick and Morty and TV intros03:30 - Ewoks04:03 - Kids films?07:06 - The issue08:09 - Texting Timothee Chalamet20:30 - Jill Scott and Jill Scott28:01 - Compliments28:29 - Interviewing techniques29:20 - Justin Timberlake 45:56 - Giggling fits47:02 - Rhubarb49:16 - Martin the dog Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Welcome to the Wolf and Al. The Wolf and Al. The wolf and out. The thing is, we keep doing this. We've already got a theme tune. Yeah. Then we keep doing a theme chin on top of a theme tune. It's a hat on a hat.

And by the way, the theme tune is epic. It is epic. I sometimes listen to that one. I'm just laying in the bar. No, you don't. I do. Yeah. Yeah, what do you want, beak or jaws, feathers or fur,

sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's prefer. Just kidding. Every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird. Bird and a dog. You just quickly, like, when it comes to, like, the modern way of watching television, streamers, right? What's the modern way? Streaming? Right.

Oh, Christ. What are you saying it like you're ahead of the curve? No, but I'm just saying. Just talking about a little thing, you might not know, guys. But a little thing got... I have to break down the jog on. Streaming. I'm talking about Netflix, baby.

There's all the people that are still using Blockbuster. No, but do you skip through? Because you know you can skip titles now. Yeah. Do you skip through the titles? Not on Rick and Morty, I don't. everything else I do. Thank you for bringing Rick and Morty.

Well, I was delighted. To hit me grunt on there. I had a little, yeah, a little... You had a thing, like my favourite show. Yeah, yeah. You were very sweet, by the way. It's one of my favourite show. You're one of the only people

who actually messaged me about it. Because I love Rick and Morty and then the new season dropped on Netflix. Yeah. I got very excited. I watched it all in about a day. And then I think it's like episode 10 or something. Yeah, yeah.

You play Jealous X. Yeah. Really good. Thank you very much. I thought you were great. I was jealous. Well, thank you. That's the biggest compliment I can play is that I was really jealous of you.

And I don't get jealous. I should I? You're fucking smashing it. You are smashing it. West End Superstar. Olivier nominated. So difficult. Some people say, you know, do you feel envy?

They don't even remember it. But do you have a thing where you're watching? Do you have any, like, if you're watching one of your favorite shows? Obviously, you can watch it. Well, and then somebody you know comes into it. No, no, but when you skip, do you skip through or do you watch? Like a theme tune from Friends. Do you skip through or do you watch it?

Really? What would you do? I'll watch it all. Get the family round. I'll be, yeah. I think that's a positive thing to have. Well, the one thing I do think...

The A team? What stream has got the A team? Oh, sometimes watch old DVDs of it. Right, okay. Yeah. Modern. Mask. Mask.

Yeah. Great theme tune. Mass crusader. Fighting out of time. Fighting out of time. Fighting crime. what's the verse bit of that

Shacker's going to lead the mission no no got their supervision MAM MAMAS I think it's a superstition is it Superstition yeah What Superstition

Is it supervision? No superstition right Because it was that You had a bald guy in it Who was really superstitious Oh yeah That's right And they had to sort

The whole series was about Trying to get him to walk under a ladder I forgot Yeah I don't know if we've talked about that I always think if you were in that you'd have been T-Bob fucking hell

he broke a mirror you'd be T-Bob I hate T-Bob I hate all those characters that thing T-Bob Snobb snuff go fuck yourself

That is I always think when you're coming in Fuck off You're doing a voice for a character in a cartoon That's like you're going Oh you know Would I be Mumrah

Who's that in the turtles The Turtles The Turtles have really got someone Have they? No They haven't actually They've not got a cutesy It's sort of like the equivalent of the

It's the EWalk. Yeah The EWalk of the piece. Yeah. Although I do like EWox actually That was really unfl really unflown What? I can't stand EWX.

Did you not watch the spin-off films? Battle for End or Caravan of Courage. I've watched the main ones And I thought they were great. I'm like, all right, it's getting a bit thirsty now. How's it getting thirsty? Because kids, listen. Kids like it.

This is what people forget. Star Wars is a kid's film. Mate, it's a great, look, I do know what? And then people are going to So it's not a kid's film. We go, no, you were a kid when you watch it. You've just grown up, silly old bastard. By the way, can I say a kid's film that isn't really a kid's film?

Is it a lot sexier and I remember? I watched Big the other week. What's sexy about that? There's loads of sexy stuff in Big. It's a lot more sexualized than I remember. Here's a question for you. Is the woman he gets with a nunce or not? Well, no, she's got paedophile tendons.

Yeah. More than tendencies. Yeah. Well, no, but she doesn't know he's a kid, but she's attracted to children. Yeah. Like, she's a horrible thing to find out about yourself. What I'd love is a sequel to Big is just her, what happens to her.

Actually, by the end of that movie when she's watching him and he's a kid, I actually had a lump in my throat. I found that very, quite sad. It's quite sad and she's sort of like, he runs off down the street and then she just watched him go and then he's a little boy again.

Did they say something like, look me up in 20 years or something? Yeah, yeah, something like, yeah. I don't think so you dusty old bitch. I mean, can you imagine? Can you imagine? Can you imagine, can you imagine, I was joking. The kid from Big.

Like when he goes back to school and tells everyone, like, what he's been up to. Yeah. Everyone's like, what the fuck? Like, they smell incredible. And then she got naked. Yeah. Grab to boobies. What?

What? What terrible stars of this? Yeah. Oh, my God. What did you do on summer break? Did you learn that thing they do? No. No.

That's, you know, what, can I say, by the way, that's the sort of thing that people do as party trick. You know, like, when people have a party trip and I remember the thing from Big and they do the handshake with something. remember that as well, and they both joke. I'm never any good at that kind of thing. I haven't got that. Okay, well, there we've uncovered the reality of it. It's initially you sort of pitched it like you thought those people were bricks and that it turns out you can't do it.

No, I'm jealous. Maybe you could do it, yeah, you're jealous. Yeah, I'd love to do it. Do you ever think about films like that where like what happened after the film? Like. Yeah, sometimes they tackle that, don't they? I love, those are my favourite films. I don't know, it's ahead of the curve.

Sequels. No, no, but even when they go, like, you know, you'll watch a film and at the end, they'll just show like a picture of the character. And I go like, you know, Murr of Tomlinson ended up buying a shop in downtown Louisiana or whatever. I've never really understood that for fictional movies. No, but I... Because you sort of think, like, what you're doing is you're telling the story. Yeah.

But the film is the opportunity to be a story, isn't that? Yeah, but, like, for example... Like, that's the storytelling medium you've chosen. Why don't you just do the whole thing in a scrawl? Yeah. If you're going to do that bit. Yeah, but then whatever happened after the Goonies, and, you know, Sloth moves in with Chunk and his family. How did that work out?

Yeah. Do you know what that would have been good? sitcom. Yeah. That would have been a great sitcom. Sloth and chunk. Sloth and chunk got themselves in a bit of a funk. I think he should have been in a house.

I think he should have. Yeah, you don't want that when it discovers sort of sexual desire in your house, do you? I think they'll be fine sharing a room together. Just giving him this crash test dummy to the fuck. Someone who's such a short temper of sloth and someone is annoying as chunk sharing a bedroom. It's like literally God's like a Netflix spin-off documentary This has got so dark

Anyway, how are you? Oh, very well, good, good Great to be back here Back in the, yeah, back in the studio, very excited to be back. There is an issue. Yeah. Are you aware of the issue?

Have I boging in my nose? No, okay. I want to told you before now. Okay, okay. It's the Wolf and our podcast. Yep. Owl. Yes.

Wolf. Oh, wow. And if you look at it, if you look at us now, it's owl and wolf it's the owl and wolf podcast yeah what yeah and that doesn't work at all no but what I'm suggesting is we swap I come to over there no the other way of swapping I'm happy to yeah I mean yeah I've I've sort of equipped myself on this seat a little bit what does that mean well my buttocks have been engaged with the the seat and the lineage of the

seat so I just sort of like I feel at home here but you can bring the chair around here it's a lot to I'll just jump into your chair. See how you get on this. It's quite warm. That's what I'm saying. Have you been burying farts in that cushion? You'd know if I've buried a fart in this cushion. Am I taking this wolf with me, by the way, with me?

Yeah, I think so. Yeah, okay, okay. So we do it. Okay. So how have you been? Good, good. We're all sorted now. We're in the right place.

Look, Wolf and Al. Everyone can be relaxed. I think there'll be some people that have found this unwatchable. Yeah. Until this point. Yeah. And there are some people, as we know, I'll find it unwatchable.

Yeah. And that's the end of the sentence. I think it's incredible. People are watching this. Yeah. Well, we don't know that they are. Yeah, I don't know. Let's not start tempting to fate.

So how are you? I'm good. I'm good. I've had a... I realize I might have over-egged my friendship. Timothy Shalameau? Yeah. Would be my guess.

Yeah. So what happened? So you did Wonka with him? Yeah. What was the state of play with you and Timothy Shalamee? Because obviously we all know everybody's watched. Yeah. Yeah.

So we know Yeah, look You shut out this trailer Yeah, but there was it How was it left at the end? There was a nice friendship We hung out of the premiere Yeah, we've been in contact

Yeah, who's instigating contact mostly? I'd say 99.5% me of Well, no, 100% I've instigated a lot of the chat So what sort of things will you say to him? Just give me an example of the sort of thing you might say I mean, I find it I find it incredible that you've got Timothy Shalamay's phone number Or is it the one where he's giving you the email

It's just on I message No, no, no, it's his number Do you ever send a voice note? No That'd be so sad Although he did take this picture of me When we were filming a Wonka That is such a depressing picture of you

Fuck, it's... So he said, Great hanging, bro Can't wait to hang on normal hours Stay safe, stay bold Great working together Nice? Yeah

What did you say? I don't I wasn't really after what he sent you What sort of stuff have you seen here? This looks going straight on the ground, my gee. I mean, to be fair, actually. My gee, big Tom, put Tom D here checking in. Oh, fucking Al Tom.

I hope life is treating you well. My man, good here. Can't wait for Wonka. I've seen some stuff. It looks awesome. Hope you're good, brother. So this is all before the film's come out? Yeah, yeah.

Then a couple of Merry Christmases. What was a Merry Christmas take? I said, very Merry Christmas to you and yours, bro. And he said, same to you, Tom. Same to you, Tom. Did you say same to you time in the response to that? Yeah. That's a message.

That is him training you to be appropriate. Yeah. Anyway, go on. Then I was, for some reason, sent, yeah, some pictures, some MMA fighters. What? Why? Why did you send that? Because we used to watch MMA together.

What did you send with that picture? Nothing. Just fly safe at me, go. then we've got um quite a lot of this oh that track the new trailer looks amazing hope you're well are there any conversations he's instigated no no um then i've said june two looks banging bro oh my god please tell me you didn't say that yeah there it's there look okay hell and i got nothing back from that no so then i say why would you Yo, bro.

Just watch a complete unknown trailer. Blown my mind. Hope life is good. What was the response to that? Nothing. That was in November. 20th of November. I sat on it now and then I've gone,

very Merry Christmas. To you and your family, have a blinder. Nothing. Nothing. But then I said... Do you think the June 2 text was a mistake? Because it sounds like you had...

You're having interaction before. Yeah. No, no, no. Then I've gone, my word, Marty Supreme is a work of genius. Okay. You fucking smashed it. Congrats on.

Very much in keeping with the anus cleaning service. No, no, I've gone. And then he's gone in capital letters. Thank you, Tom. Okay, that's nice. You're back in the game. You're back in the game. And then I should, I said, I should say that you're searching for greatness speech.

Struck a cord with me. I was very inspired. And that was the last conversation we had. You know what you're like? Can I make a suggestion as a mate? Yeah. I don't think you should text him again. No, no.

I don't think, yeah. The trouble is, you know what? We had this really lovely time, but I'm doing all the instigating. It's like, you know, when you go on holiday with people and you hang out and you go, fucking oh, this is great. And you don't need to see those people together.

You just go, oh, we had fucking... That's the problem. You had a nice experience of Timothy Chalamay. Yeah. He seems like a nice guy. Great guy. You've hung out with him. We enjoyed each other's company.

Yeah. There is nothing wrong with that being temporary. Yeah. And you've got each other's numbers. and should you ever need each other, you can get in touch. Yeah. And, you know, he might be on a film where they go, oh, we need...

A big, yeah. You know, big super generational talent character actor. Or just a big do-for-us, yeah. And then he'll... He's got a direct line to you. Yeah. But you don't have to be mates. I mean, he's not going to meet up with you, is he?

No. Well, you might do. If he was like... If he came to London, maybe, yeah, or if he... If he was here for six, eight months. In London for the whole of the promotion for my... suit proof.

But when that, but in fairness, in your defense. Yeah, I know how busy it was. It's very hectic. Yeah, but then I look at it and think maybe if we were like both in like, I don't know, if he was filming in Prague and I was in Prague as well. Yeah. Well, what happens is, is you both have to be away from home, don't you? Yeah. Yeah. That's, that seems to be. So you'll, you'll be quite close to people. Yeah. And you go, we should meet up. You never do it. And then you happen to both be in Barcelona. Yeah. We should definitely meet.

Yeah. Then you do meet up. So if he's in Barcelona, I just happen to be there as well. I just think it's better for you to not Instagram any more text conversations Let it come from him Do you think I'd if I was work Yeah, but if I was working in Barcelona I'd text him and said or I just went Hey, just seen you're filming in Barcelona?

No No. Hey man. No Okay I don't think you should text him again. What if I But I, if I... Give me a series of scenarios and I'll tell you where you should text him You try and design a scenario in which I think is acceptable

for you to text him, shall I'm. We're going to use Barcelona because it's a city. He's filming in Barcelona. Use Barcelona because it's a city, good. Yeah, no, if it's a city might film it. It's a great looking city. He's a filming in Barcelona. Could be Helsinki?

Helsinki is a beautiful city, but for this film it's going to be Barcelona. Colombo? Colombo? Yeah. Is that a place? Yes, it's the capital of Sri Lanka. Oh. Just, you know, like,

your mate's family origins are from there. I don't know, the capital city. Just fucking do a Google. Yeah. I was about to say, yeah, no, but would you know the capital city of Ireland, I was going to say? Anyway, go on. So, all right, we're in Barcelona, right? I'm out there to watch, go to the camp new, to watch a football game.

This is a scenario. Yeah, as I'm walking along, I'm chatting, so I hear someone go, oh, you know, the new crazy movies being filmed, and Timothy Shalami's filming out here. And then, so then I was like, oh, fuck, Tim's out here as well. If I was then to text and go, hey man, just heard you're in Barrow. Barcelona. Say it ain't so, Lull. I'm here watching Barcelona. No, I wouldn't send it. Really? Yeah. What would you send? Nothing. Okay. All right. I'm in L.A. or New York, let's say New York.

Okay. He lives in New York. I'm out in New York, right? Yeah. I'm doing a couple of gigs. Yo, Tim, uh, just landed in NYC, my friend. Um, fancy coming down watching the big man in action. Loll. Why did you get adding lull to everything? No, just because then it makes it less aggressive. Or like it makes him, yeah, it feels like. Were you just checking in and watch, see if you've got a text room there? No, no, no. Have you texting while we've been doing this podcast?

No, no. I was going to text in this, send him. I go, hey man, I hope you don't mind me chat about you a little bit on there. No, I'm not going. No, so that's not. Because what if then, he does text me and go, hey, hey, buddy. I heard you were in New York, man, my hometown. And you didn't even say you were here?

And then this is when you have an amazing opportunity to go Yeah, it would have been cool to see you but I figured you'd be super busy and I didn't want to intrude And then he goes Oh my God no next time definitely hook me look me up and then you're so much cooler than I am in this sort of situation It's not cool but it's just like you've sent without response You've cleaned his ring Yeah Successively with those texts

Yeah your speech is inspiring bro What the fuck are you doing? No, I think I put it as you're building a zoo. I think I read it to me again. Can I just say you've actually been very complimentary and made it sound a lot cooler than I actually fucking, I said, should say that searching for greatness speech

struck a chord with me, my bro. And then I just realized I did that emoticom. You didn't really? Oh my God, you're even lying. I thought you're doing it for comedy. So I'm like now What do you think that text says? First of all

I genuinely did think by the way Can I just say I did think it was a kind of cool speech Fine, so say that Why do you have to Amplify it Also the other thing is Right Fist bump

Fucking hell man I do you know But can I say I hope he found He thought that was me being silly as well Definitely Yeah Yeah definitely

it was laced with irony your text it's so fucking you're the worst thing I could think of right it's because we had quite a laugh and we quite enjoyed it he's a lovely guy but I just keep thinking

and this is I do this in a lot of situations in my life but I do think that he's there with his misses and I walk into a bar somewhere like Barcelona and she goes oh my god you know that guy

who was texting you all the time from Warcraft. Yeah. Tom? Yeah, he's just walked in. Oh, my God. Oh, no. Is he looking over?

I don't think he's seen a shed. I don't think it'd be like that. But it will be if you keep sending those texts. Yeah, okay. I think this is, I just have a, like, if I'm impressed by something, I can't help but tell people.

No, that is true. You're very fulsome with your praise. The thing about Tom Davis is if he thinks, if he thinks something you've done is really good and you're famous he will text you no that's not true as a waiter just now he was so charming to everyone who walked in

it was beautiful to see and when I was paying my bill I said by the way can I just say I thought you were absolutely amazing to watch how you interact with people it's a real beautiful thing to watch it's fun isn't it because it's weird how all these stories are kind of reported

because I just had lunch with you and the waitress is wonderful And he barely fucking made eye contact with her. Yeah, number one, it would have been rude because we were chatting. She did actually butt into the conversation a couple of times. Yeah, to ask what we wanted to eat. No, but she wasn't, look, this guy was absolutely beautiful in his way. I'm not, this is what, I'm not hanging out.

She was a good waitress. She was very efficient. At no point did she sort of turn around and sort of go, oh, wow, this is delicious. Oh, what a nice jacket. Or like this guy, right, this woman came in and she went. I wouldn't like that. Well, this woman came in. She went, I'm meeting my parents here.

I'm going to be half an hour ago. I can't get hold of them. Like I'm a bit worried. He said, hey, you have a rest. You ever sit down? I'm going to get you a coffee. And they'll be here soon enough. That is quite nice.

It's a really nice thought. He put a mind at rest. He said London transport's awful. They could be stuck underground. Yeah. Slowest city in the world, apparently. Really? For traffic.

I find it hard to believe, but they've just been awarded that. Cabby told me. Just after he finished talking about immigrants. Now, I want to apologize to you. Yep. Because I was giving you shit about Timothy Shalomey. And I was doing

For the Love of Hip Pop And we interviewed Jill Scott The singer Okay By the way I didn't really like that face Even if he was a footballer No no no I was just thinking

But you went like this No no I didn't know she liked hip hop Jill Scott I don't think she does But Jill Scott the R&B singer Yeah okay cool Okay You're no longer young people

You're just people And people are either productive Or dead weight It's my first day of work And I need to make a big impression Were you just checking me out No It's too bad

I see at least 15 ladies I need to talk to you before my beta blocker wears off My co-workers don't take me seriously It's not a human, it's just a piece of meat Someone bring a gurney What a big deal Yeah I'm a big fan Yeah

I'm assuming that's a first of guessing that's the first time you're aware That was a Jill Scott had obviously Yeah I was find it strange when I There used to be a time didn't they with celebrities that you could only have one person by that name What you mean? Like you had to start up and then you had to change your name if someone else had the same name would you. Are you doing a character?

What are you doing now? It used to be a thing. It's not true. Mate, for actors and actresses, that's why loads of people change, like famous actors, change their names because they went in and... But that just to avoid confusion, it's not a law. Mate, it's as good as law. Why?

Because people were like, oh, well, we can't have two Jennifer Lawrence's. It would just be confusing. If you went along to watch, like, a film went, oh, Jennifer Lawrence is in this. Go ahead. Hey, old up, this isn't the Jennifer Lawrence I was expecting. No, actually you make a point You make a good point Yeah

So yeah Okay Right Yeah So Jill Scott Why are you chuckling to yourself Because I'm just thinking No because I like it

When I get shit right Yeah So when you say about Jill Scott I am not as Funger on the Pulse With R&B as you are By any means So you say I would spoke to Jill Scott

I'm like Okay The footballer Yeah but I hardly think Somebody Somebody is tuning into the overlap And going Fucking out

When's you're going to sing Golden Do you know how many times I get comments and messages about Tom Davies, the footballer? What kind of comments? For example, tickets for my Brighton show went up and there was one of these things that they put up on Facebook for trying to sell tickets

for my Brighton show. Advert. Don't skirt around it. An advert. Yeah. And in one of the comments on it meant it like it's a fucking news story. One of the comments on it read Glad he fucked off to Shepard United

or something like that, he couldn't even learn from so and some Everton footballer. It was quite a harsh thing about, and I've been trolled as being Tom Davis a couple of times. Do you think,

is that possible that's a bot or something? Maybe it's a bot. How can it be somebody that thinks that's Tom. But my point is, me and Tom Davis are very disillight. We're in very different trades, but there's still a confusion.

Yeah. So I'm just saying that when you were saying, oh yeah, I had Jill Scott on, and I'm like, if I was to listen to that and you were like showing off

and you just had Jill Scott, Scott on the, hip-hop podcast, I go, I'll have a listen to that. Throat completely throwing me if I listen to it. And I was like, oh shit, this is entertaining, brilliant. I'm actually really a fan now, but I was going there. Well, how long into it do you think you'd have discovered that it wasn't Jill Scott the footballer?

Well, I hope I'd know quite quickly. I think you know from the intro. Yeah, I guess. I don't you be disorientated? She sounds different. Going back to her conversation. Why are you talking about her time working with the roots? If I fast forward through a little bit of the,

I'm just getting in touch of I don't know you knew Kendrick Lamar So hold on up You got thirsty around I mean you get a little bit thirsty around Jill's got the football at times Don't start this You do

How You're very sweet with her But there's a thirsty I'm nice I'm being nice You are but there's also I like her She's a mate

She's a diamond Yeah But there's a thirstiness there What like what You're definitely I'd say I'd say out of all the people You're thirsty around

When we do leg in her own That's where I go Uh oh someone's Someone's dying for a drink All right Oh that's coming from the most That's from fucking Gandhi's flip-flop himself,

by the way. I'm thirsty around everyone. This is my fucking being. If I'm not thirsty around you, you are, you are, listen, if anybody has met Tom

and he's not thirsty around you, you are scum. Yeah, yeah, that's a line. That only really sort of happens on the nonces wheel. And even then.

And even then, and occasionally, so I's got a bit of charisma. Anyway, So before I did the interview, it was a bit like rushed because I was, it was in the middle of like, they're trying to pack this pre-recording

around a load of other stuff or so they were, the production team was sort of panicking. Understress. Do you know when you turn up and everyone's quite a stress and that it sort of transfers to you? I was sort of feeling a bit flustered. Yeah, yeah. And I'd had a message beforehand saying,

um, um, and by the way, this is reasonable, but the way it comes from the PR is it sounds pretty stern, but she might, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It says like Jill's only doing interviews

with people that have listened to the album, right? I have. No worries here. Hello, hello, mate. It's Rom here. Just tired. Just seen the thing about the album. Loved it.

Listen to it all. You didn't do that, did you? No. Good. I'm not in, because I'm not in direct contact with them. So, anyway, she comes in. But then as soon as somebody says, you have to listen to the album, then I'm nervous that she's going to, like, say a lyric or go, or she might,

my paranoia makes me think she's going to go, and what did you think of fludal flump? Was that your favourite song? No, but that's what I'm saying. What do you think of flutal flunk? That's quite a cool name for a song. Yeah, I do. Well, I just, what do you think of flutal flump?

And I go, oh yeah, it's like really good. She'd go, what? I just made it up. Is she American? Yeah. That's not a track, aren't it? Yeah. He's not a shank off.

The first thing she said to me was nice porn stash. What? Nice porn stash. Oh, oh. Porn stats, as in your moustache. Yeah. I thought that maybe you'd have that lint on a couple of old razzle bags. I just knocked table some Asian babes.

I've got readers wires there if you want to have a little leaf through that. Yeah, kind of rumble mags. I say long story short, that's ship of sale. But I was just being like, I just kept talking. I basically kept going, first of all, it's like such a, like we've got a legend in the building. It's such an honour to be talking to you. But that's also, you know, it just didn't stop. It didn't stop.

Yeah, but like, can I just say there's a very different thing going on there? like you are interviewing someone you're a big, big fan of this is me saying don't give yourself a hard time that's someone you're, you're fan of, she's on there, she's promoting something,

you're biging it up, that's your job within it, right? So that is what you're there to do. You're there to make her feel really, really good about herself, like, you know, boost sales and you're a fan and you've listened to it,

I'm sure you liked it. I know what you're doing, Tom. No, I'm... People don't realize how you operate. No, no. This is what's happened, okay?

I've been a pricked, you about Shalamay. You've gone, people are going to think it's been a bit harsh to me there. And then I've offered you the opportunity to go back in on me and you've thought, do you know what? If I take the high road here, this solidifies me as a nice guy

of my fellow. No, no, no, no, no. Let me tell you and I will tell you quite clearly, my friend. If I'm going to die on a hill, it will not be the Jill Scott one. You haven't been muggy enough. Like, when you're a mug, I'll be the first one to dive in two-footed. I'll be in

joins you straight away. But for me, I think you're giving yourself a bit of a hard time. I do think that is what you're doing. You're a polisher by nature there. A what? You're polishing. You're polishing. You're polishing.

That's what your, that show is for. Do you think you clock when you're being polished? Yeah. I find it awful when someone gives you loads. I had actually much rather you rinse me like you just did, rather than someone gives you loads and loads of compliments. Like you just did. You, but you like a compliment.

What do you mean? You're like, you know, you know, a dog gets stroked. too much and then it's a wheeze on the floor. That's what you're like when you get a compliment. I see your your tummy comes out. Oh, I feel good about myself now. Yeah, it's nice. It's cute.

Anyway, it's a habit I've got, a bad habit I've got that I'm a bit of a sycophant in interviews. I'd like to get better at it. In what sense, be more like cool than. Who's like Rick Edwards? Is Rick Edwards particularly cool about it? He's fucking cool. Is it? Yeah, Rick Edwards is a cool guy.

I mean, I know he's genuinely a cool guy, but is he... When he interviews people, he's cool. Rick Edwards could interview like Barack Obama, any number of really, really cool people, and he weirdly feels like he's on the same level as them. Why was Barack Obama like your go-to on that? I think he's a pretty fucking cool guy. He's a cool guy, yeah.

I think if I'm thinking about cool guys who are also like high-status and powerful. Who's your second favorite after Trump? President-wise. Yeah. Yeah, probably. Oh, no, sorry. Okay, President-Wise.

I like Joe Biden. President-wise number two, Epstein Island visitors. Was he, four or five? I like, you know, I like Clinton. I thought Clinton had a vibe. He was very sexy. Yeah. I always felt, yeah, Clinton was like a sexy dork sort of vibe.

Anyway, I thought, basically, I want a bit of practice at this. What being cool, like Rick Edwards call? Yeah, basically, I want to interview. Who would be the coolest person that you could interview who you'd feel like you were so inadequate and so inferior to, apart from Jill Scott? Just any, well. Do you want to be a rapper? I've got to be careful.

I don't know. Yeah. Have we got some makeup? No, just be a singer, a singer that I like, all right? No, yeah, but I need to, I can't go to an act. Do you know how it shows how little regard you got to me as a professional as an actor? Go, just be a singer. I've got to know, like, the vibe.

I've got, like, I need to get into character. This is like a two-minute fucking bit. Yeah, but I take that seriously, though. You've asked, you've come to me begging for a favour. You know, oh, please, I'm so thirsty and inadequate when it comes. comes to an interviewing. And I'm like, okay, I'll help you out. Don't worry about fucking taking it too seriously.

We'll just run for, rush for, but if you want help, I'm in to help you. Okay, fine, fine, fine, fine. Okay, what about Mark Anthony? Who used to go out with Jennifer Lopez? What do you know about Mark Anthony? No, no fuck all. Okay, someone else that you...

What do you be, Justin Timberlake? Cool guy, okay. Yo, how you doing, Doug? What? What? Okay. So imagine it's on a, it's on a radio show. Yeah, it's your radio show.

Wow, cool, cool room, man. Cool room. Makes me think about some other cool rooms I mean in. Well, I look forward to hearing about that. So for the love of hip hop here, we are doing a 10 minute mixtape with the legendary Justin Timberlake. Okay, easy. I think you're cool as well, huh? Thanks.

So Justin, how are you? You over in London? Yeah, I love London City, bro. London City. It's cool. It's great. I had some nice fishing chips yesterday. I went for a park run with my cousin, Mark.

How was the park run? Great, man. Yeah, yeah, I beat Mark. He's not much for a runner, but he's a hell of a guy. Yeah. He's a cool guy. So, are you a big fan of hip-hop? Oh, yeah, for sure, Doc.

What sort of stuff you're into? NWA. them two-pack Snoop biggie Schmalls I guess anyone else because you're a big hip-hop fan aren't you yeah man some of the newest stuff like um yeah so when you're underground stuff you probably wouldn't know like what uh the radical mile the who the radical mile the radical mile yeah man they're really up and coming they're from Connecticut so yeah I don't want to show off, but they're cool. And are you planning on touring anytime soon?

Yeah, hopefully soon. At the moment, I'm just getting my life back in honor. I've been through a lot of different stuff. I just had a new kitchen installed back home. So that took quite a lot of my time. Oh, cool. You got a new kitchen for it. What sort of stuff do you get from there?

Yeah, one of those big islands that people get when they get a lot of money. I mean, I'm surprised that this is your first time getting an island. Yeah. It's your first time in your life that you've had a kitchen island. Yeah, well, I didn't have one before because sometimes when I'm cooking, I like to dance. You know, I'm a dancer, right? How do you mean a dancer? I sing and dance, you know.

Yeah, I mean, you're amazing. Yeah, I used to like to dance around the kitchen, but now I'm a bit older and I've got like three dogs. I was stripping over the dogs and thought actually I'll just probably dance in a dance studio that I have in my house. What's this got to do with the kitchen? Sorry, I'm not, sorry, Justin, I'm not following. So how did that stop be getting in a kitchen island? Yeah, well, because I like to dance

as I was cooking. Yeah, yeah. I'd be cooking like some, you know, Mexican food, probably my favorite kind of food. What sort of stuff do you like, Mexican? F fajitas, burritos, and I think with chicken and the red things

that you put it in. Tortillas. Yeah, tortillas. I like the spices and stuff. Yeah. So guacamole is quite easy to make. So yeah, I'd do that. Okay, Justin.

Sorry. Even though I have, not to be interrupted on my Apple Watch, someone's calling me, I think it's a guy about my kitchen. So yeah, but I used to like to dance, I put some music on, I get jivey, you know, and then I realized that actually, you know, it was harder to dance in there than I thought, so I just put an island in. And now I lean on the island and I just listen to music. How high, is it? Oh, I'm quite short. Oh, I'm quite short. I'm quite, you know, you know that about me, right?

Yeah. I look bigger on TV. It's almost impossible to predict how short's pronounced it in the American accent, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I play with different ways. That's part of my job as well, because I'm an actor as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've just done a big new movie.

Yeah, so tell me all about the movie. I'm really excited about it, by the way. What's that? What was that? Oh, sorry, I was just... I was overfamiliar. I'm sure when my PR people message you, they said, Can you make sure not to touch Justin?

He doesn't like it. I didn't say that, sorry. It's very strange that you was so overly confident. It wasn't confidence. It was what that is. Hit me on the arm, like we'd known each other for 10 years. Sorry, it was just because we were getting on with the check.

It's very strange. Do I do something that enforced you to be quite so flippant with your hands? No, I don't even think I meant to do it. I just went like, you know, it was just. That was intentional the way you touched me. Well, you were touching people intentionally. Own it.

Well, I didn't. Don't be weak. Own it. Okay, I touched you. See, what happened there? What? You should, that's the point where you should have said, yeah, I touched you because I thought we were mates.

Okay, but first of all, I don't know why I touched you. I never would do that in an interview. I would do that. I would get over from a minute. Yeah, I know. Can I just say what it is? I know exactly what it is. What?

You became the alpha. and you didn't know how to handle it. You out alphaed Justin Timberlake. I mean, I don't know what that exercise achieved. In what sense? I was actually trying to tee you up to sort of have a go at me. I did in the end. Because I had to touch you for that to happen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so imagine you're Justin Tim Blake, but you're really wanting praise. So basically, what I think you need to do is you need to make sure that you're not, you're not sort of sucking up to them and giving them folk, praise. Am I allowed to give any praise? No, you can't at all.

Nothing positive. Yeah, you've basically got to be a hardball here. Okay. You know, you got, for you, right, they're lucky to be with you. Okay. All right, all right. Okay. I'm joined today by Justin Timberlake.

Hey, man. How you doing? You good? Yeah, thank you for coming onto the show. Oh, man. Blessing to be here. I'm a big fan of your stuff. I watched some of your skits when I was coming over on the flight.

Oh, thanks. I was like, oh, this guy's funny, man. Yeah. You got some. funny stuff, bro. You're a funny guy. I was doing this. The guy next to me, I didn't know him. Turn out he was a salesman selling ink pens. Uh, dying business. I know. Ink pens? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And what's that been, what have ink pens been replaced by? Computers, I guess. Okay, right. It's just the way you said ink pen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how he described it.

There's a different liquid that was going. I said, what are you doing in the UK? Um, firstly, I went, You've seen this guy, he's hilarious. He went, oh, who's this? His name's Ramesh, Rang, and Ethan. Can we just pause this? What's happening? Sorry. I thought the point of it was,

I was supposed to... Okay, he's his character. Well, he's his fucking character. Okay, okay. The whole thing was I was supposed to be cool in the face of somebody that wants praise. Just sitting here silently when he goes to his fucking anecdote about who was sitting next to the plane.

I sort of let it go for a bit. Then he started talking about the fuck. I'm now listening to you, pretend to be Justin Timberlake, talking about the guy who's sitting next to on the plane. Okay. Okay. All right. You need the quake. Yeah, man, it's great to see you.

I watch some of your skits over here on the way over on the plane. Thank you. Boy, you're a funny guy. Thank you. For sure, a funny guy. The skits are funny, man. Thank you. Thanks so much.

Well done. How you find in London? Oh, don't even get me started. This weather is raining. No, it's wet, but, you know, yeah, some people walk between the raindrops and some people get wet as heck. What's going on? Okay, well, we're not really here to talk about the weather. We're here to talk about my new album, which I'm hoping you heard.

Yes, I did, yes. And you're a big hip-hop fan, and this is my first real belmont to what I think is my serious hip-hop phase. Yeah, what made you move into hip-hop? I've always loved it, man. I've always loved it. And that's why when I'm, you know, with a hip-hop nerd like, you know, I really want to see if they like it and if it's, you know, how much you've enjoyed it. You've definitely, like, definitely explore the genre.

Thank you. And, you know, where would you gauge your enjoyment? Were your toe-tapping? Were you dancing or singing along? Yeah, you can't. Well, I wouldn't say I was singing along. not, only because it's the first time I was listening to it. So you only listen to it once.

Well, no, I mean, I've listened it a couple of times, but you don't know the words from... Yeah, but, I mean, did the lyrics stay with you? Did you find them everestant? Yeah, it was funny, you mispronounce that word like a friend of mine. Sorry. But you can't have got it from the same place because he's a real thick... So you weren't, you know, jiving? Did you play it?

You know, when I was... I hear your son is a big hip-hop. He is, yeah, yeah. as well. Yeah. So did he enjoy it or? Was it cool for the kids? He listened to it, yeah.

Did he enjoy it? Did he? I've not spoken to him about it, but I guess. What do you mean? You play someone a track and don't say, hey, what do you think? Bob or Bill or I don't know what your kid's name is. But those are your guesses? Yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. Andrew? I don't know what to. Yeah, he listened to it, yeah. All right. And he wasn't negative about it at all. Hey, did you see me when I was in the social network? Did you enjoy that movie? I saw that film, yeah. Did you enjoy it?

A lot of people loved that film, didn't they? Did you enjoy it? Huh? I was nominated for some pretty bit of awards for that. Yeah. Great film. Yeah, congratulations on that. You know, I've done the Super Bowl, a record a amount of times.

Yeah. Do you, I mean, how do you respond to the theory that Janet Jackson's nipslip led to massive ramifications for her career, but didn't touch you at all? Well, look, that was something I don't want to get into. I don't want to talk about. Systemic racism. Now you're stepping in a place. Things that surround the NFL and American culture in general.

You are stepping into a place where I don't want to talk. So I've got a new cookery show where I cook stuff. What's it called? Oh, you're talking, of course, about Justin Timber Bakes. Yeah, that's my new show. I bake. I'm a massive, and you probably are as well. I'm a big bakeoff fan.

Yes. I'm obsessed with that show. So you like it. like it in the States? Yeah, we've got a version in the States. Yeah. Paul Hollywood, who isn't actually from Hollywood, either the Northern Ireland or the American one, but that's a certain many. Either the what one? Northern Ireland or the American Hollywood.

Yeah. But it certainly did a lot of good for him out there. Okay. In the U.S. Cool. So I watched that. I sit there at first, I was watching it with Popcorn. God damn.

Justin, make a cake. The guy addicted to making cakes. And, you know, now I got the guy. Justin Timberbakes. Okay, end scene. You just keep getting too excited about doing the character. I'm a character actor, that's what I do. I'm in, completely immersed.

It's like once I'm in, I'm in. By the way, I felt like Justin inside of me. What did you think of how I dealt with it? I actually think you were quite good. But the trouble with you, you need to up-call it. What does that mean? Do you want me to show you how I think you should do it? Okay, yeah.

Who are you going to be? Who do you want me to be? Ricky Martin. Okay. Okay. I'm you. All right. Hello.

Welcome to hip-hop. Save you a lot. What? Well, two things. First of all, I don't know we're doing that voice. Secondly,

I don't know why you're calling it a podcast that I stopped doing six years ago. Okay. What's your new show called? For the love of hip-pop.

The love of hip-pop. Do you want me to, I'll do it in a voice that's called, Hi. This is me, Romer, Romero,

Oh my God. Let me get into, that's why it's hard to the character. voice. Hi, this is me, Romish Ranganaathan, and this is for the love of hip hop. Today, I'm joined by an actor, a singer, and a guest, a dancer. Mr. Ricky Martin. Hey, man, how you doing? Good, Ricky. How are you? Really good, thank you. How are you? I love being in London. It's great. We're not here to talk about London, Ricky. We're here to talk about your new album, hot, sexy dancer.

Yeah. Now, that is a hell of a title. Thank you so much. It came. from um well you being a hot sexy dancer i'd imagine how come you're winking at the camera oh no it's something i do just for the viewers now is um a friend of mine was i played in one of the tracks and he was dancing and i just said hey man you're moving like a hot sexy dancer and then i thought oh my god that's a great name for the record for the whole album yeah and there's a lot of dancing music on there i really enjoyed it's got this hip-hop flavor which you know i find delicious um Thanks, man. Now, I can't have you here without asking you, Ricky.

Acting-wise, you are phenomenal in some of the stuff you've been in. Tell me... What the fuck is going on? Right, can we just cut there? First of all, why are you asking about acting stuff on the hip-hop show? Secondly, why did you wink at the camera on a radio show? Thirdly, you complimenting to me about six or seven times. times.

It's very hard not to be complimented you that someone like Rick Edwards is amazing. Why are you telling me not to do it? And then you're going and I'll show you how you should do it. No, I didn't compliment you. You did? I was very, very dismissive. I don't think you were.

I was more dismissive. I thought you were pretty encouraging, actually. I didn't give you any big scale when I came in. I think Ricky Martin, if usually you'd be like, fucking how it's Ricky Martin? Like, do you know what I mean? So, yeah. What I'm saying, you need to be more measured, I guess.

Yeah, but I thought what you did was shit. Yeah, I'm not an interviewer. By the way, did you not think, oh, as I was Justin Timberlake, you're like, for me. I think you could be a good interviewer. I'm not, I'm not an interviewer. If I was interviewing, that would. It's part of the thing, is it because a lot of the interviews, one of the things, one of the main things, people think that interviewing is difficult. You actually have to have a basic foundational interest in other people.

That's where you, that's where you, also in stuff that they're into. Well, you just have to be, you have to be, you have to be, interested in hearing what someone else has to say. But I would, I'd be the full down because in that Jill Scott thing, they go, you know, oh, make sure you've listened to the album. And I've been like, you know, I've just played FIFA all right last night. I didn't listen to the album. And then I'd probably just blag it through.

Yeah. That's, yeah, we should do it. Yeah. And also, you wouldn't be interested. And also you've not heard of Jill Scott. No, I mean, Jill Scott, the football, I'd be great with him if I was in an interview. Yeah. Okay, so we've cured my problem, I guess.

Do you feel called it? By which I say making it worse? I think that I can see you going forward and being one of the great interviews of our time Can I just say I think this studio has changed you a little bit Why?

Because you've started doing this thing now where you sort of run off on a train of thought and then send yourself into like a giggling film Because you know what it is? What? I find you really funny I'm not doing anything When you don't do anything

I find like the small little things that you say I find really, really amusing and your little looks because I know that you're going to come back something that kicks my ass. I'm not trying to kick your ass. I know, but that's what I like. I like the rampeous nature of it.

Yeah. I think I've always done this. I think it's more apparent because you're with me now. And quite a lot of the time in the old days, I was delayed. So you might see... What would you do if, like, you know, we found out, like, a few months in of doing this, actually the delay is what really sort of makes us work. I'd probably do this.

What do you mean? That. Oh, okay. It's not that longer delay. Sometimes it was. not all the time yeah sometimes you turn around and go yeah I just ate some rhubarb

when have I said that I'm just saying that I actually don't think I've eaten rubob in the last decade really I don't think so what are you doing what I'm eating other stuff is delicious I'm just saying I'm not eating it delicious fruits out there rhubarb is yeah one of the most delicious fruits make a rhubarb crumble better than pineapple

pineapple is good okay better than mango Why are you putting poor rhubarb up against two of them? You know they're champions. Better and apples, yes. You say it's one of the most delicious fruits, so I'm putting up some of the other delicious fruits. Those two, but I'd say that rhubon. Banana. Look, I love banana, but banana is as delicious of rhubarb.

Banana is not as delicious as rhubarb. You get someone who knows what they're doing with rhubarb. You're in for a treat. You haven't had it for a decade. You get someone who knows what to do with a banana you're in for a treat. Yeah, I've got to say you haven't had rhubarb for ages, so it's a bit unfair for you to sit here, criticizing it. You haven't had it for a decade? Yeah, the reason I've not had it for a decade is because...

Probably you had it cooked in some insignificant hands who didn't know what they were doing with it. No, I didn't have it cooked by something. I had it stewed rhubarb. Enough sugar? I don't know. Sugar, you need it. I'll have some rhubarb.

Yeah, that's what they say about all the naturally best tasting things. Do you know what I mean, it's good. Loads of sugar. You put enough sugar on a dog shit, it'll be edible. Rubarb is not... Listen, I've got... I'm not dissing rhubarb. The flavour of rhubarb.

I wish to rubarb and custard in a donut. Banana can't. Banana wouldn't even want to go anywhere near that. I would love a banana and custard donut. I will tell you now, if there's a donut place out there doing, and they're looking for what is the biggest seller, get a rhubarb and custard, banana and custard, put them head to head. I guarantee everyone, because it was, well, I have the banana one.

I don't want to take a risk. And then you'll literally be there and someone will have the rhububon. go taste that, Trev. Oh, fucking that's amazing. That all that's... Well, wait, a massive... Soon as somebody said, have a taste. He's taking a massive fucking bite there, Trev.

I'd be so pissed off. Right, Tom. Actually, Wolfadpod at gmail.com. Yeah. So let me know if I'm being too horrible to Rubarb or if Tom's being too nice to Rubol. Yeah, yeah. Or neither. Rubarb gate.

Okay, that is it for us today, Tom. Yeah. Could you, um... Could you play? Please, do what's the honours have taken us out? Well, boy. Martin, the dog, looks out of his window. Outside other dogs were playing.

He felt jealous, envious. He turned around to his owners who were kissing, fornicating on the sofa. They seem like they've got it all worked out. Martin scurrying round. It started pouring at the door. They didn't listen. Sh, dog, shush.

So he ran upstairs and started barking, louder and louder. Until someone let him out. Go on, go out if you need to. Martin ran outside and started running around with the other dogs. Before too long, the other dogs were called in as night came. Mine was left outside. He could see the light on in the bedroom upstairs. But they forgot that he was out there.

He sat all night in the pouring rain, just thinking, God, when would they come and let me in? In the morning, Toby, his owner, I opened the door and said, oh, God, Martin, I forgot we left you out last night, and they let him in. What's the moral of this story? Well, the grass is always greener, and as you look outside or look into other people's lives, you can go, wow, they've got it all worked out. But sometimes what you're doing is closing the door and leaving a very sweet, sweet space yourself. don't look for answers in other people's words when the things you need are in yours. Thank you so much for sharing that selection of disparate, unconnected thoughts.

That's all we've got time for on the Wolf and Out podcast. We'll see you next time. Peace out.