Wolf and Owl - Toy Story 5, Celebrity Gladiators & Brain Training

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

Is it okay to check someone else's underwear? This week, Tom and Rom debate whether Toy Story should have stopped at three films, reveal their cinema snack choices and debate Master Of The Universe and Celebrity Gladiators. There's also a conversation about brain training, Tom's memory, the impact of pornography, and dating an Only Fans creator. Plus, some unfortunate stories about suspicious underwear... Maybe we need a part two. A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform. Chapters 00:00 Intro 04:04 On Toy Story 08:51 Ciinema food discussion 11:20 Character ranking 12:35 Is Tom pranking Rom? 15:13 Rom’s Master Of The Universe review 20:05 Tom’s memory and Sudoku 22:26 The p*rn effect 31:50 OF and relationships 35:09 Celebrity Gladiators 37:18 Underwear and fart tech 40:26 Tom’s outro Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello everybody. Welcome to a podcast with Ramesh and Tom, who are also known as the wolf and the owl. Hi guys. Hi guys. Yeah, what do you want, beak or jaws, feathers or fur, sharp teeth or feet with claws, whatever's prefer. Just kidding every word in his songs about two grown men dressed up as a bird and a dog.

How are you, Tom? All right, mate, yourself. Yeah, very good, thank you. Yeah. I'm just going to ask some questions based on how you look. How is life in the woods? This beard, man. Well, like, yeah.

It makes you look. Disgusting? No, it doesn't make you look disgusting. A vagrant. I look like I'm the before moment of any Jason Stathen film just before he's about to get stuck into what the actual movie's about. You look like an anonymous henchman in one of those films. Collateral damage.

Yeah, yeah, something like that. But actually, it makes you, it takes the edges off you a little bit. Would you in what sense? I consider you quite a cuddly man, full stop. I think this sort of fuller beard makes you cuddlier. Yeah, I think that's true. What's Little G saying about it? She noticed the difference because kids, it takes a while, doesn't it?

Yeah, she's undecided. She doesn't, yeah. She made a joke the other day because obviously it's getting... So I've got a oat in the black. It's got a little bit of salt and peppering now. Yeah. And she made a joke that daddy's beard was a bit coming like Santa Claus's. Which is a, yeah.

I'm almost all peppered out now, man. Yeah, no, you've got some pepper. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Would you go with a beard again? I would do, but it'll be very grey now. Yeah. Like, it's gone grey quick. Do you know that?

Yeah, your hair is so. No, I don't dye my hair. Look, can you say, there is grey in it, can he say? Yeah, there's a little bit of grey. But my beard's gone grey quicker than my hair. I'm thinking about going, I actually dabbled with the idea of going completely clean. If I went clean shaven. Oh, man, I don't know.

I've seen you clean shaven. And we talked about this on the podcast before. But just hear me out. You did it to stop being noticed on holiday. I know, I know, yeah. But what I'm saying to you is it will take 15 years off me. But you ever, are there 15 years you want back? But I look so much younger if I shave it off.

I think you look good now. I think the moustache has been one of the best things you've done in your life. Thanks very much. I think you've really, I think you've leveled up. I saw some small footage of you. Actually, I'll put it out at the King Gary scene where you've got your full beard. Yeah. Yeah.

They like it. I think you look better now. I wouldn't have this. This isn't by choice. This is just by work. I think you look great. I don't like it. I got away from the beard.

The beard had become like a crutch for me for a long time. And now I'm back in Beardsville. Yeah. I'm not sure if I like... What do they call it? The wonder bra of the men. Yeah. Yeah.

I worry as well, once you take it off... The wonder bar of the men. Yeah. That would surely be like... Oh, I mean, it was in Ladies First. Like the cock sort of... Oh, ladies first. God, I didn't know her doing plugs.

No, I mean, yeah. Yeah, I think that horse is the stage. is It's still up, isn't it? Yeah, and I think it's a bit tragic. I mean,

to be fair, that and Wonka are both on Netflix now. Yes. I'm shouting out two films. Actually, I got very, sorry, let me say that.

I got very excited when I saw Wonkers on Netflix. Thank you. I mean, yeah, it's still something I'm living off the back of. Yeah.

As you should. It's been quiet since. As you should? Has it? No, no, it's not, no. I've had the busiest year

of your life. Talking about films. According to reports? I, according to reports. Flo? Not Flo, I don't ask Flo about you Are you joking?

I ask her about you all the time Yeah, but we've got so much stuff to talk about with my career Yeah, I suppose, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't ask her about if you're busy, I just go, how's Tom? Yeah, but even though I've spoken to you, I might have spoken to you five minutes before

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I want to know how professional, how professional Tom is, do you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not how professional Tom is, I know that. Yeah, you know how professional Tom is, Yeah, yeah, does that make sense? Yeah, yeah.

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sorry to interrupt. I'm very concerned about Toy Story 5. Why? I'll tell you why. I think Toy Story 1, 2 and 3, one of the greatest ever movie trilogies ever in the history of cinema, right? Yeah.

The perfect story. Yeah. Okay? Perfect ending. When they announced Toy Story 4, I was concerned, nay, worried. Yeah. Do you like that?

No, I thought you were going to come out of more articulate, more sort of like, in-depth words, and worried. Nay, befuddled. Pensive? Yeah. I think you were pretty pensive. Yeah, I was pensive, yeah. Okay, so, okay, let me try again. I was worried.

Nay, pensive. If we could do you an arson shirt this year. I was worried. You're not worn the banning a can on one. If we could do your other arsled shirt or an England shirt, we should have pensive pete on the back. No, let's not try to make that, I think. Anyway, because I was worried about a thought. And four was fine.

It was fine. I enjoyed four. Yeah, but did it, was it necessary? I mean, were any of them necessary, I suppose. But what I mean is, the story was done. And then they have like, what's his name? Sporky. Was that his name?

I think it was, yeah, yeah. Forky, forky. That little prick. Look, look, Falky took up a lot of screen time and he did. He actually got two of the funniest moments in that film. Yeah. He's very funny. But he's, yeah.

I liked, I liked the sinister doll. Yeah, that was great. And I like the two here, the cuddly toys from the fair. Yeah, and I liked Woody and Bonnie, is it Bonnie? Little Bo Peep, whatever. Little Bo, Bo, yeah, the romance of that. I did like that. Actually, you know, Toy Story 4 was great.

And can I just say it's got the best ending. When they're driving away, spoiler here, but I hope you've seen it. Spoiler. You shouldn't have to give spoiler warnings now. And when she goes, is he joy, is Woody lost now? And Buzz goes. By the way, it's all in the delivery, isn't it? Yeah. I can't do Jesse.

I can do Buzz. No, but you went, is he a bus? She goes, is he last now? Buzz goes, no, he's found to affinity. And then the camera goes to Woody and goes, and beyond. That is even our good, goosebumps. Yeah, really nice. That's a beautiful, and I enjoyed five.

Look, I'm going to say, by the way, for some of the voice actors, it must have been a kick in the teeth. There's a few people who have been kicked to the curb a little bit on that, who had big parts in the originals who are now, essentially essays. Oh, God, God. Yeah. Okay.

That's who you feel for. Can you rank them for me? What, who, who wrecks? Not the actors. No, no, fucking hell. Don't do that. I'm not, what's his name? That fucking helmet who works for talk sport?

Agent Durham. Yeah, I'm not overcome the Asian Durham of a fucking toy story. Let's not start getting into it. I don't want to start a war with talk sport now. I'm not starting a war with talk sport. I'm just going to start a war with geese. They're much bigger than us for a start. They're a lot bigger in us.

Yeah. I'm going to say now, it's akin to like some sort of, weird bullying, like his reviews of his critical analysis of football. I don't get it. I'm going to tell you now. It's the thing that I'd just constant. I mean, I suppose you've been a bit like it with

a story five and then the end four and then gone actually it was an alright film. You've looked for the easy way out. How have I looked for the easy way out? You've gone, you've gone to give Woody an absolute shoeing and realise that actually it's a very pointy beautiful bit of storytelling. First of all, I'm not giving Woody a shoeing, right? I eventually said

I think four. Don't fucking... No, you went like you had the first three and my favourite, she ever, they're the perfect film. They're great. They are great. They are great. They are great. And then actually, by the end of it, you talk yourself into it, realized that actually they've made a great movie again.

No, four has got some redeeming features. It's not as good as any of the first three. Everything's slightly on a scale. I mean, let's not get into Shrek then. Christ. First of all, mate, Toy Story 3, better than 2 and 1. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but so it's going up.

And then 4's not as good as any of the three. See, your trend thing doesn't work. By the time they get back to six, boom. A day better not do a six. I wouldn't be surprised. They will fucking rue the date. They do a six. Can I say five?

I nearly quite twice during, in the fight. I said, never grace, little Jew. Yeah. Every man's sitting in cinema. I have my burger. And watching the film? Yeah. No, every man you had a lovely ice cream Sunday.

I don't like. Look, just watch the, people have worked hard to watch the film. Everyone's eating in there. I know, I know. I know. I know. Do you know what? By the way, it's like,

Lovely, everyone's eating, you nudging someone, hey, what are you bloody got there? It's like... It's like going to someone's house for tea. It's like a bit of Woody's house. I don't like it. It's not been at Bonnie's house or Bonnie's house. You put together a film.

Yeah. Work hard on it, right? Yeah. I think a bit of popcorn where you don't have to look down. That's what's great about popcorn is you don't have to pay any attention to it at all. You're in grace in the film. You eat a burger like you're driving a car,

yeah. Yeah, I'm steering it and everything Yeah No, but you're looking at it the whole time I go right, I've got the analysis This is how big the burger is And I'm pretty, I'm very good with my bites I know exactly how many bites

A burger will take I think sometimes you forget You're saying these things out loud And this is going out on a podcast I've completed the analysis And I'm very good with my bites You just said that I know what, what's wrong?

If I look at a burger and go Okay, this is what I'm going to give it a turn at that point So I'm not look, I can watch a film and eat a burger at the same time seeminglyly. No, I know, you're really good at burgers. Didn't you have a whole routine in the last tour about eating a burger and the stick got stuck in the back of your throat?

Yeah, that's happened. And it had to be pulled out. And you weren't even watching a fucking film then, were you? Once being twice shy. By the way, that's one of the first thoughts are cool. If I found a stick in a burger, that would be in a cinema, I go, what are you thinking? Get the team together, let's have a chat.

That's insane. It's dark in here. It's all happening while the film's still right. People are absolutely furious. Little Ice Cream, Son. Okay, so you had a burger, ice cream Sunday? Yeah. Okay. I would say that that was...

So I've never been to one of these cinemas, so how does it work? Every man, so there's food delivered, you get food to. And have you got a little table in front of you? No, no, no, no, have you got a little table to the side? Okay, and then how do you order? No, you order on the app, you'd order this... So you're getting your phone out during the film? No, no, no, no, no, no.

You order before the show, they bring your food in before the film starts. Sometimes just, as a trailers are going on. And then you run out and you can grab like a Sunday for a dessert. So you left the film to go get a Sunday? Yeah, I went for a wee and grabbed a couple of Sundays on the way back. Okay. That was about... I hope there was some sort of hand washing at some point during the whole process.

Can I say, by the way, that's, I will say that when I came out, Creffin was like, Gathor, there's chocolate all over your top. And I'd misjudged it. That was a silly move. Eating a Sunday in the dark, I've not got the weather or to do such a thing. No, no. You didn't you do around analysis? No, no, I looked at it, I thought, no, I've got this.

And I'd say, it's a spoon created a lot of, there was, sometimes I overheat the spoon. There was a little bit of debris that fell off. I mean, I feel very... Because I don't know if you noticed, I was drinking something out of I've spilted into my station there. Yeah, it's like your microphone chain's point in to it. No, it's actually, I was drinking a blueberry smoothie. Is this for your influence stuff?

You've got a little microphone that you get. This actually is actually a working microphone. You do, now you're doing your... Just in case. Your voxbox. I've got a camera in my little vinger. You do your voice. Anyway.

Anyway. I'm not going to go around. Anyway. I'm not going to fall into the trap of being like, because I would hate for sort of Rex or someone to see the voice actor of Rex. I'd say Rex were one of my favorite characters. Slinky, their roles have been really reduced. Slinky's for, yeah, Mr Potato Head.

Yeah, there's bigger parts that have come in for other characters. Okay, so there's new characters. Yeah, a lot of it's about tech. Yeah, I've heard that. About tablets and screen times. Did you feel as a parent there was any kind of message there for you? If it was it, went over my head. Yeah, my favourite, I just loved the Buzz and Jesse Nine.

stuff with them that whole arc is just yeah it's lovely Buzz is the most vulnerable Buzz light year we've ever seen

have you watched Tim Allen talking about it at all no no I don't really like to think of them as actors now I like to think of them as characters

okay well so Buzz has been doing some press for the film and he said they've they've had some issues

with his voice sounding too old I actually think Jesse sounds like that old. Yeah. I didn't really notice it with Buzz. Also, he's an older toy now. Yeah. Because I was watching

some footage. Footage. Kill me. I was watching a video of the kids when they're a bit younger. And obviously their voices are completely different. And then, I don't know if you've watched any stand-up from a long time when you first started. I think my voice has changed, even since I've started doing stand-up. I think you started to change since you've done the play.

No. You're placing... This, you're playing like a long game with it. You're playing a long game here. This is like one of the longest pranks of all times. I think, I think you have decided, I think you've sat down with Kat and you've gone,

I'm going to make, it's going to take a while for this to fully bed in, but I'm going to make it out to Rom that I think this play is going to be life changing for him. So I'm going to start off with a phone. I'm going to start off of a phone call on the night. And then I'm just going to keep on reinforcing my going, that's one of the most of it.

And then one day, if he says to me he's thinking about a step about it, I'm going to say to him, you're going to do Hollywood films in the next couple of years. I just want to nudge away, nudge away, nudge away. No, how dare you? You know much I love you. Look, I stand by everything, but I do think your dictation has got better since the play. Look me in the eye. Did you do vocal exercises?

A bit harsh. Did you do vocal exercises while you were doing that vocal training? Yeah, but I didn't do them for this podcast. No, no, no, no, but your voice has changed because the algorithm of your voice has changed. Okay, don't, don't do this. It has. I think it is. I think you said, your dictation.

No, no, no, I don't use. Your pacing is slightly different as well. In what way? It used to be a bit more like snappy. I don't think I can hear that voice anymore for you. I think you've lost that sort of, it's not as nasely. I think this is a psychological. No, I'm not being honest.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Oh, that was a bit. That was a bit. No, but also, I like the thought that you think that me and, mine and Catherine's sort of like dynamic is me, in bed and going, you're going to bed now, both.

Yeah, I'm just going to be there in a minute. I've got the next part of the plan to take Ramesh down. Oh, God. Can't you say something sexy? I think it. Make love to be as you tell me the next stage. I think it is sexy. Yeah, it was, I'd implore you to go with Lisa and watch it, Toy Story 5.

There's a couple of romantic bits in there. Oh, lovely. Yeah. I'm sure the families will enjoy Lisa and I. absolutely blot messing the shit out of each other open mouth kissing in the background

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delivery and access better data across the business. The result, less time spent on operations, more time connecting brands with the moments and fandoms that matter most. Learn more at Accenture.com slash Spotify. Lisa and I did go to cinema recently. Wow. What did you go to work? So it was a Sunday. Okay. Charlie had Oliver. Yeah. So Lisa and I went to drop him off at the theatre. Nice. and then you I'm just qualifying this because it's very difficult to

we want to go to cinema because it's really hot yeah and we've got cinema it's got air conditioning yeah yeah of course of course the difficulty is

you've got to pick a film that starts and finishes within the time that Charlie will be at the future yeah yeah because you can't have him waiting outside London

at night so that's tricky yeah we had to we had like three four hours window so that rules out

most of the films how long is he there for then he's there for hours they do warmups and all that sure of course yeah so I've been a footballer

a little bit yeah Yeah, a little bit. It's good. It's good for Charlie. Yeah, not the same pay, unfortunately. But, um, so anyway, I'm saying all that to qualify. Yeah. And what it is we went to say?

Go on, what did you go on watch? Obviously, it's got a fit in that slot. Yeah, of course, of course. So you just got to, you've got to go with what's... What's on at that time? What's on at that time? And you've got to finish before. Yeah, yeah.

You can't be, yeah. Yeah, he can't be, yeah. Yeah. And, you know, obviously, you want it to be a date experience, but it can't always be because you've got a... Anyway, Lisa and I went to watch Masters of the Universe. What? Without any of the kids?

Yeah, without any of the kids. I mean, it's kind of quite sweet in this way, because it's like retro, right? I used to like, I used to really like He-Man. Favorite character? Favorite character? Yeah. Well, that disappointed him. My favourite character is probably Yorko, who doesn't actually feature that much in the film.

That's a shame. Who's your favourite? I'm a classicist. I love T-Man. Right, okay. Who was his goofy psychic? Did he have a goofy psychic? He had a cat.

Gringer, who became Battle Cat. Yeah. Battle Cat, though, wasn't that the whole thing? When you watched the making off the toys from Mattel, that was because they had loads of these tigers left. So before the cartoon got done, they basically were like, we've got loads of these tigers that aren't selling. So Mattel were always in front of the actual cartoon. So they painted this in green and yellow.

Is that true? I mean, that would not surprise. That is, yeah, it's on Netflix's a documentary about it. Not just about Battlecat. No, but what you realize from watching that film is, first of all look I respect anybody that makes a film yeah

it's very hard to get a film on the screen and so anybody that manages to get the financing together what I'm going to think is yeah arguably that it's not as hard as it probably should be in some situation

well I'd say they should have made this more difficult to make no the truth is I think they had a difficult job yeah because they wanted to make a tongue-in-cheek master of a universe It was always camp, right?

It was always camp. I'm going to say something quite controversial here. I've watched all of the Kevin Smith Master the Universe cartoon on Netflix. Okay. And it's brilliant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I would thoroughly recommend that, right? If you even got a passing interest in He-Man...

Oh, I've never watched it. It's really good. And they've made it for the people that watched it as kids and girls. So it's an adult, it's an adult show. It's amazing. I think it's unbelievable. This, I have... I don't think they knew what to do with it.

So they didn't know how serious to go with it or how tongue and cheek to be. So they've sort of fallen between two stalls. Yeah, that's the worst thing you can do. And in watching the film, what I realised was is actually He-Man as like an IP is a bit shit. That is the truth of it.

Who's Skeletor? Jared Leto. Jared Letto? Oh, okay. He plays it a bit like Jack Sparrow. Really? Yeah, that kind of. For Skeletor,

a bit like... Yeah, Skeletor is kind of straight down the line evil. I mean, Heman is a prince who raises his sword and becomes kind of hench. Yeah. That's Heimam. Is he hench, hench? He's hench all the time in this.

Because, like, you know, in the cartoon he sort of beefs up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That doesn't happen. It's Idris in it. Idris plays man at arms, yes. Wow. Slash Duncan. That's his name. That'll be the only time

Idris ever plays anyone called Duncan, I'd imagine. I expect so, yeah. Is Idris good? He's always good. He's always cool, right? Yeah, he's good. He's good, yeah. Yeah, he's good, in it. Yeah, he's good in it. I mean, nobody's particularly bad in it.

Is it just the toneally, it's just a little bit? I think they're sort of taking the piss out of Heman. Yeah. But they're not completely taking the piss out of it. So some of it you've got to believe in the jeopardy of the storyline, and then some of it they're undermining it. Do you know what it reminds me of a lot? The last Thor film.

Okay. Love and Thunder. Like, where they're trying to be funny, it's not as funny as Love and Thunder, but they kind of end up, you know, they just don't do either job particularly. You know, with Deadpool. Yeah.

So Dead Paul had the fight, did it perfectly, right? Yeah, yeah. Both Deadpool movies, undercutting it, breaking a fourth wall. But you've got a... And the third one. Third one?

Oh shit, yeah, yeah. I went to see that as well. That's Deadpool, Wolverine, man. Yeah. Oh, my brain. I swear I've had some kind of episode. Do you think you have? Yeah, I think at some point.

My memory is like, boom, overnight. Yeah. It happens. Yeah. Have you tried any kind of supplements? I'm trying a couple here and there. I think you should start doing Sudoku's. Really? Yeah.

I don't even know where to start with the Sudoku. Well, first would be pronunciation. Sudoku. What? Second. What is it, like numbers and pictures and stuff? There's no pictures. Sudoku's like a little number puzzle

And you've got to fill in the digits According to like a sequence Kind of what the exact rules are It's like it's got to every line And every column has got to have all the digits One to Nine in Okay I mean I'm already bamboozled I've not even started

Yeah Well you've got to solve a Sudoku When you don't have one in front of you I think Hypothetically to talking about solving Yeah but for you It's like As an maths teacher that's like

taking candy from a baby is that's probably like you are probably quite hot and sexy when you're doing this I'm not done one for ages but I started I became really worried about my mental degradation as I got older so I started like downloading brain puzzles and stuff like that and every now and again

I do them and it feel like it kind of activates something it makes your brain fierce I think it feels like it does like if you keep those neural pathways going, apparently you stop the kind of inevitable, it's not inevitable actually, you can stop it being inevitable by your actions. But like, apparently if you don't do those things, like even stopping doing mental arithmetic, which we all stop doing after school, most of us do, then those

pathways get shut down. Your brain becomes worse at those things. And then you stop thinking about, so when you're constantly doing that, it actually is meant to be really good for you. I've downloaded SimCity. I've been playing that quite a lot. Yeah, I think that's exactly the same what I've been talking about. Because there's some sort of problem solving. Yeah, and you've also, you've downloaded a VPN app, haven't you, as well? So you can access porn hub without having to... I've not fallen into that trap.

Okay. That's a grottie old trap, isn't it? What is? No, porn. Porn? You've never used porn? I've used it before, yeah. But I think now, I think, yeah, I think it's akin to being a bit... Yeah, I agree.

Grotty. I think you have to go off memory, or if you're into art, a drawing that you've done. A drawing? I can imagine you drawing sexy pictures. Skit! I just... I'm just... Lacey, just go out of the toilet.

First of all, I need to give myself some kindling. What have you been drawing on the back of that bag of kettle chips? Actually, I found quite convenient just to draw it on the back of your hand and it's always there for when you need it. You can have it as a tattoo. After a shower, I often get a bar on... You can have it as a tattoo there, couldn't you? A tattoo of a masturbation stimulus.

Yeah, porn's great. Yeah, it's great, yeah. You've got to be careful of that stuff. Actually, the more you read about it, the more you realize that, it's not just grotty. Yeah, yeah. It's bad. It's really bad.

It's really bad. Yeah. And what it's doing to your, yeah. Go on, what's it doing to your mental health and your headspace? Aside the darkness and all that horrible stuff that goes on in the making of it. Yeah. It's a very, very... Well, look, the truth of it is, is it stops you desiring your...

partner as much. Yeah. Yeah. That's what Lisa tells me. Lisa's always watching porn. Yeah, constantly. My problem... Just going to work.

How long are you're going to be? No, it's really bad. And then apparently young men are like learning how to have sex from porn. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The whole thing's a shit show. Yeah. Anyway, that's why I only keep it twice a day.

You're watching of porn. Yeah. You like ones with long storylines as well, right? Do you know what? I will watch it for the narrative arc, and then when they start getting a bit frisky, I'll often switch off. I wanted to say

I wanted to see what happened to death I wanted to say where the conversation went and then he grabbed her tear I thought the way you rubbed your penis and you said for people that are only listening I'll be rubbing my penis the entire time but you're right

I'm glad that we have the same views on porn yeah I'm for pretty judgment on on people who watch it now Are you? Yeah. Yeah. I don't think you can be judgment.

I'm being judgmental of you saying them. What I mean is sometimes people don't know, do they? Or they've got, they're making different life choices to you. But then I think there's enough stuff out there to read about it. Yeah. And think, you know, it's a mad thing now even to think that it was ever really okay. Actually talking about this. We are, yeah.

Poor old giant from the gladiators. I don't want to plow in on him because he's had a rope, he split up with a woman that he was seeing. Let's talk about this Because first of all I'm not going to name names But after we talked about Giant last time I got a text message

From somebody in the know Saying We were right about what we were speculating Yeah That actually what we said was correct So Giant Was going out with this Only fans model The producers and the channel

Found out about this And that basically It was incompatible with him being on, I guess, a family TV show. Yeah, a kid's show, right. And for the sake of his girlfriend, he said, well, we want to go public with this. I think they would have been fine if he hadn't gone public with it, right? I think the thing was that he said they were going to shoot content. That's right.

Because if you got a partner who's not in the public eye, then I think that's sort of fine, right? Yeah, I actually think even, to be fair, even if he'd gone on, this is what I'm going out with. Yeah. But the fact that they were shooting content. And I think kids would have done. going to watch, oh, Giant, let me see what Giant's girlfriend's up to. Yeah. Oh, Dad, can I have your credit card?

And then suddenly, you know, they've got a subscription. So that's the issue, right? So Giant basically didn't get renewed for the next series of Gladiators. Yeah. Because of this relationship. Yeah. And then what happened? Now they split up, right?

It's a sad state of affairs for him. Because he actually worked hard to get to a place where he was, and he was the big start, right, of Gladiators. Well, physically. I don't know. I don't know who the popular... I think he was the... I think he was very much the Hulk Hogan of. Right.

I know Giant is one you hear about a lot. Sabre. Yeah. It's another one. Saber's kept his nut down. He's kept it... Yeah. I mean, Saber's a woman,

but thank you for... Thank you for not pretending you knew what I was talking about. I don't watch the show. I'm quite honest with you. Why did you say? Sabers kept his nut down. I don't just thought, Saber just felt like...

So... Yeah, so Sabers kept his nut down. Saver's kept her nut down. Yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, no, that's right. Don't say that you don't know who Sabre is.

Just change the gender for the observation you made about the person you don't. But Sabers not dating like HS TikToky or something. No, but a few of them are like... I would say Sabers is one of the more active ones on Instagram and stuff like that.

Yeah. Like they're... Obviously, gladiators will not come to an end, but they'll cycle, you know, I don't know how long gladiators is going to last. Well, it's probably going to be like strictly, isn't it? Yeah. But they'll cycle gladiators, won't they? Yeah.

Gladiators will come and go, right? I see him. So obviously it'd be foolish to not foolish. Wow. You've lost your way since you've sort of, yeah. Foolish. Foolish. Foolish.

Foolish. I said foolish, didn't I? Yeah, yeah. You went, again, theater. That's very crisp. Fulish. I didn't like, I didn't like what happened. Chris Biggins of you.

Sorry, fucking foolish. Fulish. Fulish. Fulish. We're foolish. To not try and think about what your other, you know, what else you're going to... How are you going to use that?

So you don't think like the sort of like lean into pornography was not. Oh, you didn't make any pornography, right? I don't think he was... They weren't going to make only fans content, were they? What's her content? No. I know that's her content.

I don't think they were going to make only fans content. I think not even he would be... I don't think he's going to do that. Yeah, but can I just... I think they were just talking about like, This is very much the He-Man situation. In what way? Well, you've got one, that's where her content

and that's when people subscribe to watch her. That's where that is, right? Nothing wrong with that? That's her vibe. And that's where he sits, right? So the two can't really mix. No. Do they become, you know.

Sorry, what's that got to do with He-Man? Because He-Man, you were saying that tonally, you didn't, it was a bit off. Was it tongue-in-cheek or was it a fool? Everything doesn't have to time with something else. It kind of if you can't make it time. We've all seen a tour show. Some of the most tenuous callbacks in the industry.

Sometimes a callback to the last tour. Sometimes I call back to a joke that I just did in the pub three weeks before. A couple of times, if you did a call back to my tour. I love a callback. Doesn't have to be about me. Yeah, but then I look, yeah, I feel for him, though. I do feel that it's a lesson learned. Well, you just obviously, when you first get together,

some month, you think it's going to last forever. Of course. So he's gone all in. Yeah. And unfortunately it's not worked out. By the way, you can't knock him for his commitment in the relationship.

No, my gosh. Yeah. We don't know what's gone on there, though. No, but I'm telling, if you're out there looking for love and you think, well, bradiole, the giant's, he loves commitment. You know, he's, you know,

it feels like as a single guy, he's, yeah. He's got, he's going on with you now. No, I'm just saying. All right, but I've not done anything, and you're losing confidence in what you're saying. Because you know what you'd be really good at? What? You'd like,

you know those legal dramas like JFK? Right. You'd be really good like... Those legal dramas like JFK. Right. You'd be really good at being like the, um, the, um, the attorney. Right. The one of, you know, talk.

Yeah, for the look. Actually, as a jury member, you'd be a fucking nightmare. Why? I'd never know what you were thinking. No, but I don't think you're, I don't think, well, I know you do anything. Oh, you do. Some people, you know what I was thinking. Well, if you were fucking, if you...

Definitely did it. He did it, mate. He did it. Yeah, but I think you'd be one of those people I could imagine everyone's going, we've got to break down that guy. Yeah. His name's Jamie, isn't it?

Giant. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think... How long can he go with the name Giant for? Yeah, I don't know who owns that. Well, you know what, Wolf still calls himself Wolf from the old glad he is. It's nice they're good.

Well, there's a new wolf in town, so far. Fucking mind yourself. Oh, fuck me. Do you want to do that down the barrel of the camera? No, I'm learning my lesson from that. Yeah, okay. So if you're in a relationship with somebody and he just started going out with them

and then that becomes a national news story because I had to quit their job, I wonder if that's that helpful in a relationship. Because it's like that sort of thing must be, I mean, I know she's an only fans person. I forgot what, I don't know what the name was, only fans performer, content creator. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So publicity's good, but that's quite, I mean, that's a lot, isn't it? You know, in a new relationship to go, we're now on like, Good Morning Britain talking about... Yeah, but I think for both of them, they didn't have to do that, did they? No, they didn't, but... But that's, no, but I'm like, if you're in a situation where you're like, okay, this is about the relationship, and about us moving forward as a couple,

you're probably very much putting up down, getting out down. Yeah, like Sabre. Like Sabre did. Bless his soul. you get your head down and go okay yeah yeah bat in the hatches

just you know just get you that's the storm probably another gladiator called storm there used to be yeah that storm right over

and then we'll pop up for air when things have died down but instead they went they went on the front floor well I think they saw it as a launch pad for a potential exactly you know

so so what's happened is it became you know a thing for idiots like us to talk about yeah listen and I'm just gonna say from both of us thank you

you know we could still be talking about toy story five for it, not for this story. Yeah, I might reach out to the giant now and just make sure he's okay. Hey man, hope you're okay. I actually do hope he is okay.

I do, yeah. Because I feel, he's his life. He reached out to me on the last time he talks about this. Did he? What did he say? He's a very gentle message, very sweet, and he's a lovely man. Yeah.

So I'll reach back out to him. You did reach out to me, and I've met him once. I've met him as well. Twice. What's your vibe with him? I thought we got on quite well. Comic Relief, we met that. Oh, okay.

Yeah, yeah. What does that mean? Well, comet relief is there's a lot going on. There's a lot going on. So where did you meet him? At the Royal Variety. Oh, right, no, that's much more down-to-earth place, didn't it? You know, you're right.

What a stuck-up prick I am. Sorry. I forgot. You met him at the real sort of the earth event, the Royal Variety. No, but the comic relief, everyone's doing a bit. Right, you got your stuff. But he didn't reach out to me, is what I'm saying. Yeah, but then, yeah, I don't know.

Yeah. To be fair, I had reached out to him before this happened and asked for tickets to the gladiators. No, you had it. Is that true? Yeah. He actually said, bless him, he said, probably can't get your tickets anymore. And then we started chatting. Oh my God, Tom, that's so bad. No, it was before this happened. Anyway, I do feel bad for him. Yeah, I do, yeah. I do feel bad for.

It's hard enough to get in, you know, broke up. Because that's difficult. First of all, to come out of the job like that, and he's done it for decent reasons and the relationship's gone wrong. Yeah. Not gone wrong, broken up. Yeah. That doesn't mean, that's the wrong word, gone wrong. If you break up, it's probably the right thing to do. Yeah.

If you stay together, it's the right thing. What I mean is, just because somebody's broken up, it doesn't mean it's just a shame that you've walked, that you've lost your job for this relationship that ended up not being the one. Yeah, I feel for him. I do feel for him. I do feel sorry for him.

Not sorry, that's patronising. Sad for him. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite sweet the way you said that. Why, I don't know. You're very, I like the nuance, do you? Do you?

Yeah, it's very nice. Would you ever do celebrity gladiators? Beckett did it and he said it was one of the best things he's ever done. I know, I know, but I don't think you can go about what Rob says. I always, a lot of jobs that I look at, I'll get a... Yeah, a lot of people say that your careers mirror each other almost perfectly. No, but Beckett does, I think Beckett, Oskers are very honest opinion. He's got a good, he's got a good radar.

Yeah, he's got a good gauge. Yeah, sure. And when he did gladiators, he said it was one of the most fun things he's ever done. Yeah. What would your gladiator name be? Heart man. No, that was it. I've just done it, that exhale.

Really? No, I, what did you say? Heart man. Heart man. Yeah, like heart man. Not heart man. Like that's your surname. Heart man. Not like Romish heart man.

Right. Like heart man. Heart man. Yeah. Now coming to the arena, heart man. I don't think, aren't they supposed to be like, like the names are like, he shows compassion, but takes no mercy.

I always said sorry for that kid Captain Planet who had heart. So what a shit ring to have. One of them's got fire, one who's got Earth, water, wind. Heart, you fucking sad little prick. You probably don't need to come on this mission.

Yeah. Do you know what? Actually, we had a look. We've looked at the plan. We don't need heart, turns out. We'll be okay with that. So you need the other guys. Yeah, the guy that can create a tornado. Yeah, turns out is a bit more useful. The one that produces flame, Yeah, we'll be needing them. Somebody that makes people feel a bit sorry for everyone.

No, we don't need them. This is a new insight, by the way, on Rommis' new tour. Such an incredible reference by the Captain Planet. Yeah, the heart man. I think you should be, you could be... The ogre? Oak. Oak.

The oak. The oak. The oak, like a big mighty tree. That's nice. I like that. Yeah. And then Bradley Walsh sort of going, Oh, okay.

Will the oak be felled tonight? Yeah. It's about that time, my Jack. Could you do us the honours of... Very casually dressed on this one. This might be the most casually you've been on. I'm wearing a little bit more about doing a Sharon Stone. You've got underwear on there, right?

Yeah, of course. I'm not that bright... It'll be a big move to come here with no pants on. Have you bought more boxer shorts, by the way? Yeah, by the way, I've got absolutely... That's one of the biggest controversies of my life. Surely Catherine agreed with me on this. Look, my whole thing was like

I wash them constantly They're on a constant cycle I get it That's not flex That you wash your underwear Man The point is If I lose a player in a football team

Right If you lose a player Then I bring a couple I bring a couple of players in Right Do you what I mean But I don't want a pant Or ram for the pants

I'm never going to wear Got you I like everyone to feel Like oh okay I've got my chance Sure You know That's the thing

But yeah I have So how many pants Have you got a total now do you think? I think I'm probably wrong in 23, maybe 24. Okay, now... I actually got sent some. People were worried about the fact that, you know, I was sort of... Did Sachs send you some?

No, Sax didn't, no. No. Do you know, by the Lululemon? That's a great pant. Are they good? Yeah, expensive, though, no. They're quite chumpy if you buy them, yeah. But good.

Lululemon sent you free underwear. Can I say, by the way, there's any... That isn't sent me free ones. I got gifted them. Someone gave them to me. there's actually meant to be a pant now that when you fart it stops the smell of the fart yeah they've got charcoal in the

gusset that's incredible right yeah it is incredible Catherine reminded me I don't know why I'm literally about to finish but kaffir reminded me on the first time that we went away together like our first sort of naughty weekend

I brought charcoal tablets because of my guffin and she found them she was like what are these for and I was like oh heartburn and then it's like years later I had to tell her that they were for yeah just I didn't want to try

in bed. Yeah. I had, I was in bed with a girl I was seeing once and I woke up to find her

checking inside my underwear and I said What, did you still have your underwear on? Yeah. We're asleep.

We're asleep. She, she'd gone under the covers to check inside your underwear. Yeah, so she checked my underwear and I said, I woke up,

I said, what's going on? She said, your farts were so smelly I thought you'd shat yourself. Oh, fucking God.

Sorry, I know the women are... How long have you been going out of this woman? A few months. A few months. The thought... By the way, we've been doing this for six years and this is... The thought that you're lying in bed with someone

who's doing such heinous blow-offs, right? That at some point you take the fucking step to get a torch. and go, he's got a shat himself, and peel them back. I got so close to doing this podcast without telling that story. And right before, I've already said, Tom, take us out. And then I've chosen to tell that story. That's one of my favourite ever stories you told.

Okay, go for it. Okay. Where's life? Is it the cherry blossom on the trees that give you hay fever? Oh, the sunny sun that beats down and makes you sweat. Is it the sand that gets in your toe nails and your toes and in your ass crack and makes you itch all day? Hey, big fella, what's going on? You're talking about all negative things?

Yeah, I guess I am because they're negative to me. But a spin of a dice, it could be someone going, look at that cherry blossom, Agnes. Isn't that beautiful? Oh, this sun feels nice as I lay there tanning. Or just built the best sign castle ever. The thing is, there's two sides to every coin. There's two sides to every story. What you have to find is a narrative that's your own.

I'm not just talking about sand, the sun and cherry blossom. I'm talking about the day-to-day things that happen. Telling people things that although it might feel negative, they're actually positive. Turning around and saying, oh, that lunch sucked. I had a chicken bone in there, and there wasn't supposed to be in there, going, actually, the chicken was delicious, but there was a chicken bone in there. Trying to find the positives in every situation can make your day guy that a little bit better. always looking at the sunny side of the sky

instead of the moon and the stars and the night that's coming always remembering this you've got two ways to walk the walk of life one with a smile and one with a grimace try and smile as you can and remember there's going to be someone looking for a smiling friend

around the corner absolutely right there's always going to be someone there's really good yeah thank you really great Thank you so much for listening to The Wolf and Our Podcast. By the way, can I just say, I was going to do, that story has thrown me so, that's insane story to hear at the end of a podcast. I don't think there's any way in the world that we can't start the next podcast.

That has blown my mind. Checking someone and chat themselves. Did I say at the wrong, did I say at the wrong point in the podcast? Yes, because I've got so many questions. Okay. Well, join. I think this is going to have to be a part too. Well, join us for the email special where we'll be looking into emails and getting to the bottom.

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