Wolf and Owl - Tyson Fury, Arsenal Merch and Awkward Interactions

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

Do people still make friends in pubs? Have you ever boiled down Pringles? Have you tried the 7 days, 7 weeks, 7 months method? In this week’s episode we also share some awkward interactions, talk Spud Gun and merch, plus Tom has a very special gift for Romesh - let the banter fly! Don’t forget to send your messages and voice notes to us at [e-mail] and you could be featured in an upcoming email episode! A Ranga Bee Production in partnership with Platform Media. Chapters: 00:00 Intro03:13 Crisps06:57 Job interviews08:07 Making friends15:07 The 7, 7, 7 method16:01 Tyson Fury20:17 Dinner date22:13 Lake Como23:10 Thankful Americans25:56 Awkward interactions27:40 A gift for Romesh31:49 Mean Romesh36:10 People pleasing37:33 Arsenal’s Banter Cannon43:11 Nicknames Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I make you right Tom Oh hello It's time for another episode Of the Wolf and Al podcast Remember you can email in Wolfout pod at gmail.com Like, subscribe, be a part of the journey Yeah

What'd you want Beak or jaws, feathers or fur Sharp teeth or feet with claws Whatever's prefer Just kidding every word in his song About two grown men Dressed up as a bird and a dog Do you remember we did an episode where we did some silent acting?

Yeah. Apparently doesn't work well on audio. No. Has been the feedback. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We've got, that's the thing, because we've sort of got quite dizzy by the fact that these are getting filmed. I know. But we have to remember the people, you know, if we're just in your ears, we're going to make this as audio-visual compatible as you possibly can, aren't we?

Yeah. What we should have done with the... What's that gesture you do? I'm just stroking this, gently. If what we should have done with those silent movie ones is maybe got like John to sort of, Describe them. ADR them after this, because John's got quite a sultry voice.

Why are you wearing tour merchandise? Just push the tour. State's still available. We're running right through to 2027, friends. Tom Davis, Bug Can. Going to a theater near you. How many of those caps exist? 10.

Do you want one? If you want one, you'll have this one when I'm finishing. I don't want that one. I did sweat a lot. Yeah, I want a fresh one. Yeah, I'll get you a fresh one. Yeah, yeah. I'll get you a fresh one.

Yeah. I love to wear that. John? Do you want one? A love one? Yeah. Well, that's a bit of a leading question. Yeah.

So you've got 10 of them. Are you not going to sell them? No, we're talking about it. We're in talks. With who? Nike. Yoji Yamamoto. Wow.

Wow. You know how much I love Yoji. Yeah, I think we're going to, yeah, get some. Well, this is the first, this is his debut. Yeah, really nice. Yeah. Yeah. It's good to be sort of doing a lot of plugging, aren't you?

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I feel like, yeah. Yeah. plugging your tour. Yeah, yeah. I mean, not all of us

could sell out just on their name. I'm not selling out. Mate, can I... I have done creatively. Can I say someone messaged me

the other day and said, we were looking to come and see both you and Rommish and Eastbourne. Lucky enough, there was tickets available to see you.

Rommish is coming here in 2027. It's already sold out. I'm there next month. I know, but that's what happens if you book a small enough room. You don't know.

You're doing the big room in Eastbourne. I don't know what I'm You've got a big following in Eastbourne. Very excited to come to Eastbourne. Romish,

Rang and Ethan will change your life. Tickets available. Yeah. I don't have any merch. Yeah,

obviously the Stort Tour hasn't tried. No. Your merch will probably be yellow, right? I think it will be, yeah. Yeah.

Why is there a smile planet? No, but you're saying it like... No, because it's just come to your mind. When I said it,

you went, you said, you know, the color palette is yellow. No, but you smiled like, got him. Got him. Yeah,

weird. Yeah, I think you like some yellow caps with your face on. Yeah. I always thought the sickest thing you ever did was that, you know, when you just had the bit, it was like the outline of your face.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, the silhouette. That was so cool. That was when you had a beard. Yeah, can't do that anymore. We could do that, but I look like the Pringles guy. Yeah, yeah. So I don't think that would, it might sell more, actually. Yeah.

Pringles are, by the way, I should need to be careful. We don't want to be too controversial with hot takes on here. But go on. What's the other thing? What's the worst thing? I don't think it's a hot take. Why are they the worst crisps? I don't know.

Something about, that's something. in them. Have you seen the bit where someone made onion soup just from cheese and onion bringles? Yeah. I was just saying it's really bad if you boil them down and yeah, and eat them. Who the fuck is boarding them down? I mean the tip there is don't boil them down.

They're better be worth for you than a lot of Christmas. I've become obsessed with this yucker app. Right, what's that? It's like an app where you can scan a barcode and it gives you a reading of how healthy stuff is for you. Yeah. And Pringles rates really lowly. I mean, but still, obviously, if Pringles want to do a read here, and it would be obviously we have...

I can't imagine that's going to happen now. Well, okay, in that case, yeah. Yeah. What's your favourite flavour of Pringle? Pringrel. Yeah. I'm a classicist. Original.

Yeah, I love the original. Yeah, I love the original Pringles. Good. Salt and vinegar? I like a sort of... Do you know what? I used to, that was my flex. If I went to a bar, you could say, as soon as I walked in,

Tom Davis is going to fucking order some sort of in a crisp of some kind, right? Can't have the minute. I just, I don't know what it is. It's like, you know, like women when they're pregnant or stuff. It's just, even if I smell them now. I used to smell them. I'd go and make friends with someone if they open a pack of crisps, a sort of vinegar crisps.

Nothing for me. How would you make friends with someone that's open a packet of salt? Just lean over and go, bloody, oh, this is a good guy. Christ, look at that ball from Piraes. He looks amazing. There's not a game on. You don't know I'm watching it on my phone, lean in? No, it's good to share.

That's a good ball, in it? You like that? Yeah. That's a good, he's such a good player, isn't he? Yeah. He is. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What?

Whoa. Oh, sorry. I thought you were watching my phone. I could at least have two of your crisps. I wasn't watching your phone. You forced it on me. So I just saw it. So you sitting on your own at the pub.

Tom, I don't understand about this. You can easily buy crisps. Yeah, I know. You've got this thing, haven't you, where you think it's more delicious if you manage to scam it off somebody. Yeah, yeah. I think food given to you of someone else's plate.

That's not given to you, you've stolen that. Yeah, but if you have, had some Chris and they were open. Yeah. By the way, I saw the coolest thing I've ever seen. Like,

this is going to blow your mind. I've literally, I mean, the build up you've given this. Right. So I saw something the other day in a pub, right?

They had some scissors with them and had some chris and they cut the top of the scissabag and open it up like it was an actual bowl. Fucking hell. Are you fucking... Holy fucking shit, man. Are you serious?

It was fucking incredible. Yeah. It was like, I just watched them do it And I was like... But you don't need scissors to do that. Loads of people do that. No, no, no, no. They open them like a plate

And it's all fucking like... This was like a, like that. It was like a literal bowl. It's not like that. It was like a bowl. And it was... Oh, well, I get... If you cut it enough across the corner, then you've got a...

Yeah. Yeah. It was like... Fuck! It was incredible to see. Fucking hell. I wanted to walk over and go, you sir, would be...

You're a credit to civilisation. Yeah, but are you because you're travelling around with scissors. They're only a little pair of like nails scissors. But then you've got scissors with you in case you want to open a bag of criss. Yeah, but also scissors are used for loads of different things. So you're walking through, someone's got a thread hanging from their jumper. Yeah. You've got a thread on your jumper.

Oh, for crying aloud. I've got a job interview that could change my life. Hey, relax. There we go. There's your thread cut. My second question is, why are you wearing a jumper to a job interview? Someone who's got a lot of, everyone's got your excessive wardrobe with shirts and ties and whistles and, I don't know, braces. Oh, my God.

Do you know what? I remember it's a few years ago I was going for a job as a head of six form at the Beacon School in Bancid which you know and it was a difficult interview

because a few people going up for the same job and with teaching jobs they tell you on the day whether you've got it or not do they? Yeah. Well actually that day

they phoned later on but most of the time they tell you straight away. That's fucking cool though I'd love that for auditions and one of the things they said to me when I got the job

because I did get the job in the end is they said to me, what really, they said, we like your, they do a teaching observation, so they watch your teaching a lesson. Yeah, yeah. And then I had to talk to some, because it's head of six former to go

and have an interview with some six formers. And they said, what would you do for the six former, blah, blah, blah. And the end of it, they said, it was really close between you and the other candidates, but really pushed you over and made us think this is a guy for us, is that you brought a whistle.

Did you really bring a whistle? No. Oh, okay. Yeah, so. What did you wears that? job interview. A whole suit. Yeah.

I mean, teaching, you've got to wear a suit. Yeah. You don't have to, but yeah. It helps. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to imagine.

You're in a nice Moss Bros number. What else is a flex apart from salt and vinegar crisps? Well, in a pub? Yeah. I think being really good

at quiz machines. I'm always impressed with them. Quiz machines? Yeah. Yeah. That's one thing I actually miss. This is one thing I miss because obviously everyone's got

their phones now. Do you remember before, like when touchscreen quiz machines first came into a pub, you could make friends so quick. as a really good way of someone. I don't think you and I think that making friends is the same thing

as each other. You're talking about, so for me, making friends is you strike up a relationship, you start meeting up with that person and you forge that person. Yeah, you forge a relationship.

I think what you think making friends is is forcing yourself on somebody that's trying to have a nice evening. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I think, right, the old days that have gone, the old past, this is why I fear for like, your brood of mine.

You're in a pub, right? No one's got phones. You know, someone's got some loose change. You've never ever met that person before to go over to the quiz machine. You've been in a pub where nobody's got phones? No, back in the day, yeah. You're talking, me and you are old enough to go, we're pre-historic. Yeah, but I think, how old are you when mobile phones started to become commonplace?

Commonplace? I reckon you would have been 18. No, 21? 18, I think. 201, I think. 18, 19, I think. Yeah, but by the way, those phones weren't a phone like an iPhone. Like the Nokia banana, do you know of that?

Yeah, Nokia banana or a Nokia 3210. Yeah, but you weren't looking at, yeah, okay. Yeah, if you were just sitting there playing snake on your own at a pub, then you had every right for no one to talk to you. Okay, it's a bit close to the bone. Right. So, like, you're on your own. You finish work, right?

Yeah. I used to go to the pub and mine quite a lot back in those days. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, be watching a football. Yeah. You watch a light-minded, so I'll get a bit of change. Yeah.

Make their way to the quiz machine. So they'd make their way to the quiz machine. Yeah. And then you'd sort of do the thing of like, you know, getting up, moving into another screen. Sort of like, oh, buddy, I'll go and take a move from a stool to a chair. So this is all deliberate? Yeah. And then you'd see them on the quiz machine and you'd just sort of go,

they're struggling with general knowledge on this or movies. Come up, sort of got, pretend you're walking past and go, Robert De Niro, mate. That's Robert De Niro. And they press Robert De Niro and go, bloodyo, you're good at the movie stuff. And then point down on the, oh, let me just it. So help you dance through this one. Before you know, you know, you know, next answer is, you know, who got his bum out at the Brits, Jarvis Cocker.

God, bloody hell, do you remember Pulp? Or Polk were quite big at that time. I love Polk. And then you'd have a bit of banter about music. Yeah. Films. You know, he's into cars. I know nothing of cars.

He'd do sound about cars. Before you knew it, you're having a bit of chat. Wait, Bill, tell. Let me get you a pint. Come back two bites. Yeah. Come back a bit of bites. Some peanuts.

maybe some crisps, then you have a bit more of a laugh, right? You make your way out, you've had six points, right? You've watched a bit of football. Not paid for one. You having a bit of a laugh, watching the dinner quiz machine to cover you. A week later, you go in, right?

Bill's there. You walk past and go, here he is, brains, you know what, mate? And then you go over and go, I can't stop thinking about the quiz machine. So you go at the quiz machine, you throw a bit of money, and Bill makes his way over.

Before you know it, it's your wedding. Oh, by the way, this is married Bill? You're not marrying Bill, but Bill comes because you've become friends with Bill. Yeah, okay. It started with something very sort of small. Are there people in your life that have coming to your life through that? Yeah.

Yeah. You've got your friends of people now that it started like that. I've got Facebook friends. People I've known. Okay, well, that doesn't count, is it. The way you said it's like they're your best mate? No, I've got best mates that I met in a pub. I've got better.

No, but this is, they were friendly enough. Facebook didn't come through to what, 2005? Yeah. Right, they're still in my life enough to go, fucking hell, Bill, Bill. that's how you were on Facebook I've never done anything like that I've got people I've met that have become friends

yeah train friends I'm going to say it now I respect it yeah I think it's a cool friend I wish I was more like that what was your what was your what were you like in a pub

I did a weird thing it's like um I don't know it's a fetish or something but I used to turn up with friends I already knew I go to the pub with friends right do you never finish working

I can't have been for a pint I don't think I've ever gone for a actually that's not true occasionally I've gone for a drink on my... But when I've done that, I've never made friends with anyone. I've always moved. I mean, I've had chats for people. You'll have a chat with somebody, but I'm not looking to take it any further.

I think that, look, I think it's one of the most underrated relationships in the world is that person you meet. Like, you're on your jacks, you've had a bit of a cruddy old day. It's always been a hot day and you're like, no one else who fancies. I mean, I was single and younger, so a lot of people would, like, finish work, be going off home to their families. And I'd go, well, I don't really want to go back to the flat on my own. So I go, I'll go through a kind of points. and I used to love going in not knowing that night

I know but okay but I think I do think you're much better of that than I am right yeah but I think that you could be amazing I don't think I could so so you're really good at it okay

the difference in you and I is well there's a lot of differences but the difference in this situation is that if I was to start chatting to somebody I would have no desire to take it any foot like we I think you can have like people can make a cameo and you enjoy that experience

but then you don't have to keep in touch. Yeah, but if there's a sequel, if fate brings you two back together. Can I say, by the way, biggest fucking curb ball, right? Yeah. You meet them in one pub, right? Two weeks later you're in another pub and they're there. Yeah, that's the biggest.

Yeah, you're like, what the hell are you doing here? And then you have a bit of a laugh about that. Yeah, yeah, before you know it. And at what point does it occur to that you might have changed pubs to avoid you? And then it's nice when you swap those. number and then you before you know you're texting going hello Bill what you are to mate. Yeah I've not done that you've never done that no I don't think so I just love that I'm saying

that as a self-criticism I've got friends all over this country that I've made you have made friends with and yeah I've made friends with at some point fucking hell oh my god yeah yeah yeah no I get it all right it's like doing a podcast with Trump all over the country I worked away a lot I'm being horrible I respect it I actually respect it I think you're a good guy really good guy

one of the best and like you know it's good that you're making friends with people yeah it doesn't happen as much I'll tell you you know I'm gonna be actually quite it's not a part of my life now

it's not a part of your life now because life has changed I don't drink as much I don't know yeah but I do think that's good about you make people feel good you chat to them it's nice it's a good quality to have should be really proud of yourself Thank you.

Really proud yourself. What have you been up to recently? What's going to? What's happened? I know what's happened. I've started to compliment you. You felt uncomfortable when you changed the conversation. I much prefer it when you're laying into me.

Well, I, uh, I, um, I decided to, have you heard of this seven days? I don't know this fully. We might need to look this up. Seven days, seven weeks, seven months. Have you had this thing? I've had the seven years thing. What's seven, oh, seven year it? No, no, no, seven years, it's like, you know, every seven years, you may have a life moment.

Yeah, yeah. So seven, seven, seven method. Is it key to a successful relationship? Right. Every seven days have a date night. Yeah. Every seven weeks have a night away. Yeah.

And every seven months go on a romantic holiday. Yeah. What do you think of that? Do you know what? Me and Catherine just had our first, we went to Lake Como. Yeah. For our 10-year wedding anniversary. Somebody's watching the Tyson Fury documentary.

Can I just say on that? We watched, we started watching that and it was very triggering for Catherine because there's a lot of a lot of his mental health issues are also ones that I share. Yeah, the up and down nature. That show, by the way, is fire.

Yeah, it's incredible. Holy shit. And she is the star of it. Yeah. Well, I thought she was the star of series one. Yeah. Because I don't think you realize, nobody realized how challenging it is to live with Tyson.

Yeah. Clearly got mental health issues and he admits that. And then series two, I thought he, I feel like you got to see more of what makes him tick than he did in series one. So series one was a bit like you're in a bit of shock. But series two I found, I found in ways it's a difficult watch because they've got so much money. Yeah.

And then you've got Tyson Fury who's, they've made enough money for three or four lifetimes, more than that probably, right? So he doesn't need to do anything. Yeah. He does not need to do anything. And Paris is fully aware of that. John Fury, his dad's fully aware of that.

but he can't retire because when he goes out you know that's the thing where you see he is validated by going out and people coming up to and going you're a fucking legend or whatever and he's getting something out of the house that he's not getting in the house

and I'm not, that's not an indictment of Paris at all I think she's an incredible person I think she's unbelievable actually yeah I do yeah and I think his kids are fun kids and they're lovely but also do think

there's an air of like Like, I think for at first someone who had the career as like a boxing gig, to be the fighter he was and, you know, and to be, I think it sometimes looked over quite, I went to when he fought Klitschko and as a boxing fan, it was an incredible performance. Yeah. But then when you look at what he went through to come back to fight those wilder fights,

which probably are the greatest trilogy of boxing fights ever, and phenomenal fights. like what he was body and his mind went through to go from that to that but also that was such a high if he'd retired after that I actually don't think he'd have ever like properly in gone that's it or you know but then to have fought you sick twice well if those look two losses yeah I think but also I do think like even with what we do to an extent and this is the thing that me and katherine took is like I'm addicted to what we do as a living I love it more than anything it's like you know and I don't see a part of my life forever go I can ever imagine not being on stage

or not doing something like this or something well like I don't do it it's not never been a monetary thing I've never gone on you know it is just I love doing what we do I get a kick I get it it's my you know and a thought of even for like you're the same you have a week off and we go you know the amount of times I text you or you text me and you know I've got a bit of chill time I've got a bit of down time I know within two or three days, you're texting me going, oh, fucking, I feel a bit, you know, you'll never text, you know, summer holidays and whatever. So I

get the fact that he, and I think, should it be true that he's got that AJ fight coming, which would be, I think, whatever. He's confirmed, isn't it? Yeah, that's going to be a hell of a spectacle. But I, I enjoyed it. I actually, weirdly thought John as well, as I thought you got to see

a bit more of John for you. Yeah, I thought he came across really well, actually. It was a good, it was a good. I mean, look, fuck, trying to go from trying to go from Land's end to John O'Grote's and sleeping in your cars We should do that. No, I've just said fuck doing that.

We've got the paintball and we've got the nightclub thing. Yeah, so we need a third thing we're never going to do. No, no, no, we're doing those, boy. Paintball and nightclub? Paintball's happening. Me and John are making plans.

Is that true? Yeah, paintball is happening. What are you talking about? Yeah, the paintball's happening. We're doing the paintball. You're getting picked up, you get taken to a paintball woods. All right, it sounds like a threat. You're going to live.

love it. I think as well you should bring the boys. Like Tyson would. Yeah, all right. And then what's nightclub? Yeah, the whole day nightclub that we talked about. Oh yeah, that we're doing.

So we've got some cool stuff happening. So anyway, seven days, seven weeks, seven months. So Lisa and I decided to start trying to implement this. So I took her out for dinner. Yeah. And we went to well, I don't know if I should.

Okay, I will know the restaurant. Go Thier Soho. Wow. Wow. Do you know this restaurant? No, no, but my guy's flexing hard. Well, no, it's not a flex, but it's not a flex. Yeah, the name sounds flexy.

Yeah, I know the name sounds flexi. Yeah. But, so this guy, Michelin-Star restaurant, right? One day he had fire on the menu, right? Some animal activists spoke to him outside the restaurant, or I think, like nearby, or they came and spoke to him, and they said he shouldn't have fire ground the menu. It's cruel and blah, blah, blah. Agreed.

So he looked in. to it and decided to take fire off the menu, right? Right. Then he carried on looking at animal stuff. Yeah. And then started increasing the plant-based stuff, the vegan stuff. And then eventually he decided he didn't want to harm any animal for his meals and it's completely vegan.

Wow. So we went there, eight course tasting menu. Yeah. Eight courses is a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. Regardless of what the portion sizes are. Yeah.

Went there. Delicious food. I don't know if you'd like it. I don't know if John would like it. You two very, I would describe you as carnivorous. Yeah, but also I think, I think for me and my learned of friend. I don't want to be sat opposite you and you're going, you know what I just could do with a steak?

Yeah, but me will go get a sausage sandwich afterwards. Okay, fine. We show you the respect that you deserve and the food deserves. I'm not, by the way, I'm not inviting you either of you to do me. No, I think, well, maybe me and John will go together. Yeah, I think you should. Yeah, I'd love a dinner with John. Yeah.

I think you should. I think, as usual with these things, I've got to remind you that you need consent of the other party. I'm not going to get John in a headlock and just march him down to a vegan restaurant So hold up, right, so that's the seven Then you've got to do this in a week's time But also have you got the seven week plan? No, no, that way.

Because that's the night away. Yeah. So me and Catherine just did the late coma. Yeah, how was that? So firstly, I'd say, first time we've done anything about since Grace's bit and my dad looked after Grace, first time we've been away just to two of us.

So you're getting excited. Yeah, yeah. Like a dog with two dicks. Yeah. I was, yeah. Neither of which are going to get used. We were, yeah, but you know what? It was just the, it felt like a proper,

I wear out with our little bubble. What'd you do in Lake Como, on Lake Como, by Lake Como? On a boat trip. Right. And a little around some of the local towns. Yeah. Just chilled quite a lot.

Just chilled together. Do you have a view across the lake? Yeah. What's that like? Beautiful. They look good in the Tyson dot. Yeah, it's beautiful. Do you know, the only thing that I'd say is,

so we were staying at a beautiful hotel, lovely hotel. And, um. Spaney? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, not for you. I know I'm talking about for like people that aren't in multiple films this year and on tour. And, fucking, so we go for, I put this really nice restaurant to go to for our sort of anniversary dinner.

Both very excited. And then we got sat next to some Americans who were very, very loud as a group. There was like 10 of them, all traveling in a sort of coach trip type vibe. And they did the most bizarre thing. They did like what they gave thanks for. So this got passed around the group. So one of them was like, I give thanks every day for the person I've become,

for the man I am when I get out of bed every day. I believe that I and myself are the one person that navigates the true meaning of being me. I fire myself up. I give thanks for having the far inside of my stomach to keep on moving on. So this guy's did his monologue. And then his wife is like,

I give thanks every day for the man. men that I married. Oh my God. So they're both giving thanks for him. Yeah. It's inside, right. And then someone else is like, I give thanks to the Lord, the man who created this earth, the man who put this together every day. I pay homage to the man. I do his work just. I do it. And then he's, um, and then we're sort of sitting there and I'm like, oh, this is, you know, this is with people watching, taking a piss out of it. And then it gets to the head of the table, uh, you know, a portly chap who looked like you've been poured into his chair. Oh, God.

That's horrible Well He goes I'll give thanks more than Anthony else In the world for our leader For Donald Trump For the man that most of this world And he stands at this point

In quite a busy restaurant The most of the world And other countries don't understand The work that this man's done And his legacy will rain down And it will be known For generations to come As a man who move world order

The man who changed the earth To be a better place He does like a genuinely And a 10 minute piece on Trump. Yeah. And like, there's other people going, by this point, everyone's like, okay, you're a fucking, you're clearly a prick. Why?

Mate, he, whatever his views are. Yeah. Whatever your views are. Yeah. To feel like the whole restaurant, which is quite a nice restaurant. Whether you disagree with him like me or agree with him like Tom. Yeah, yeah. At the end of the day, he's just being very loud.

I was whooping. It kind of took the shine off what was a lovely restaurant. I mean, we took the Mick and we had a laugh. So I didn't know Americans like late coma? Mate, I'd say, yeah, American, Japanese, a lot of that. But also, by a shout-out, there was a, one English person I met out there, Wolf and Al fan, just got married, came over, lovely, credit to the Wolf and Our listeners, credit to everyone, beautiful young man, Scottish, you know, lovely barber.

Yeah, good guy. Oh, that's the end? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Oh, okay. I had a bit of an awkward interaction with somebody, today. What happened? So, on the train on the way home. Yeah. So after dinner, we went to get Charlie from Oliver.

Shout out, Charlie, still smashing it. And then we're on the train. Yeah. And a woman sits opposite me and she looks at me and she starts cracking up. Wow. Right. Is Charlie sitting with you? Charlie's with me, Lisa's with me, right?

And he goes, she goes, oh my God, you're not going to believe this. She turns her phone round, war for now. Okay. Right. Right. Yeah. So she goes, this is too weird. and I go, yeah, it's quite weird.

But then I sort of felt a bit awkward. I just felt, I don't know how to explain it. I felt a bit awkward. Like, I didn't know how to react. It is a bit weird. She's set opposite. Yeah. She's set opposite the motherfucking owl.

Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, so then I go, yeah, it is a bit weird. But then I feel like I didn't give her the reaction that she wanted. And so then she goes, oh, I can't listen to you while I'm sitting opposite you on the train. And she goes, it's too weird. And I said, yeah, it is a bit, I guess.

And then she said, I'm going to listen to her. Rob Beckett or instead or something and I said you know I sort of did some banter about it I think that might be weirder or something like that I don't know yeah what because Charlie made oh that's my dad Charlie just sort of looking closer at his phone

I'm not with him by the way shifts away in his chair I'm a West End actor and then I think I disappointed her because she just looked You're on your night off she looked a bit crestfallen Do you know also can I just say you're on your night off I know but still It was bad.

I'm saying my, well, I'm saying to you, my performance in that interaction was bad. Can I? It would get a bad review. Can I say, I have a... I think she'd go home and she'd go, you're not going to fucking believe this.

I had a very strange interaction with someone that actually... Yeah. The bandan cannon, yeah. And Tom said you can get you with a shirt. Yeah, the banter cannon. Yeah, he wasn't firing that night. Oh, wow. What's going on?

When Tom says he's going to do stuff, you've got you. We've got you a gift. And weirdly, actually, it's a really, weird place to bring the gift out now. What are you talking? Well, we've talked about merch and I've been, we've talked about merch and you just told this story. I was going to give this to you a bit later on at the end.

There's just sort of summing up. This feels like the perfect time to do it. We've had this done. Oh, no. For you. It's an Arsenal shirt with banter cannon on the back. What number? One.

Yeah, banter cannon one. so yeah I know that you've said for ages about getting like a shirt arson shirt with writing on the back how the fuck am I gonna wear that you wear to the guy mate you've got to wear this to the game how how am I supposed to wear an arson shirt as there's banter cannon one on the back what is what's your crest the gunners the cannon you're the banter cannon no I get I get this works on so many levels I would say it wrong like me and the team have gone to some expense and some effort to get this done. Is this a real Arsenal shirt?

Yeah, that's a proper Arsenal shirt. And you put Banta Cannon across the back of it. What the fuck am I supposed to do with that? You've got to wear this to a game. You have to. I mean, you have a jacket on and then take it off during the game, but that What would you do? Okay, first of all, thank you.

Very nice of you to go to that much trouble. What would you do if you were at a game and you saw somebody wearing a shirt and it said Banta Cannon on the back? I think that's a fucking legend. No, no, no, you wouldn't. No, be honest with me. What would you think? Okay, I probably think, all right, let's just see what he's got.

But if that person's Rommish Ranganaathan, who I think that's what the nation kind of knows you, it's the real deal. That's a fucking great shirt, by the way. That mate, you and, me and John were saying, you've not got a shirt for this season, and you have now. Guys, guys, think about it.

I'm grateful, but think about it. What the fuck you're talking about? We need to get you to a game in this. Are you going to any more games this season? I don't think so, no. I was going to go to everyone, but... You could wear it home with the boys. Yeah, I don't even think I could wear this in front of the boys.

Of course you can. If your dad sat down next to you to watch the game and he's wearing a shirt that says banter can on them back. I don't want the boys to be sat watching the football going, oh, I suspected it, but I've had it confirm. My dad's a fucking helmet. No, but you can tell us a gift from the lads. And we'll go, why did they think that you should have banter cannon?

Because that's the name that you do yourself. I know, I know, but what I'm saying is the kids are going to go. But now it's also bad because you've got this story where your banter is like, maybe that's the thing you need. It's like Superman or Spider-Man. You put that on it or like keep your banter going. And you do self-deprecation so well. Mate, I think that's, yeah. Well, look, thank you very much.

No, so, yeah. I think, yeah, there's me and the team. Shout out. Everyone, Ben, John Will. What made you do this? Georgie. It was, yeah, no, we did it because we just, that's your new nickname. Yeah, but the owl, the banter cannon. I mean, we could have actually, in retrospect, just got the owl on it.

Yeah, because that would have been wearable. Owl. Everyone said, fucking, was that going to say, Ossil? Yeah. Yeah, well, thank you very much. I don't, I think you, can you get the name, the printing tag? It wears off anyway. I've got a few with players names on.

Yeah. And after a few years, it wears off. My Declan Rice one. Yeah. It's completely one of my Declan Rice ones. Yeah. Just in a few years, Tom, we'll be able to rush them. So he goes, who's Antam?

All right, well, thank you very much. It's very sweet of you. So I had this weird interaction. I flew out to Sophia for a job this week. And on the plane, you know, when someone's doing the thing when they try to make eyes with you, No. Where someone's trying to get your attention.

Oh, yeah. So they're doing this. Because they're recognised it. Yeah. Yeah. So I noticed this person's doing that. And then they, they, as we're getting the, whatever, like the bus thing to the terminal, they start a bit of a conversation. They knew some people that I knew.

I think you know as well through comedy. And then they're quite interesting person. They work for MI5, which is quite, you know, quite a cool job. And we're chatting away. And this person's very chatting. So much, even I'm like, well, I think I'm, I'm almost letting this side down here. Yeah, yeah. And also, it was a long flight, whatever.

And then, and then they turned around and said, um, I don't know, and they said something about, this is Ramesh. I said, oh, like, yes, I'm my best mate. And I'm, oh, really? I was like, yeah, yeah, it's like, I sort of, yeah, like, we do a podcast together. We've been friends for years. He's like, like, my brother, basically. And she was like, oh, yeah, no, he's really up and down, isn't he?

I'm not really he's pretty he's pretty consistent as being as far as I'm concerned a pretty decent chat well I've met him

like a couple of times and one time he was like the loveliest person in the world and the next person he was quite mean I was like mean and mean

and she was like he just didn't really want like chat at all I don't think that's mean that's just like maybe you don't know what's happened in his day and then she was like

oh no yeah she was just a bit like standoffish and I was like okay yeah but yeah sometimes that's just how life is and said what's the scenario and she's like oh he'd finished his show and I walked up and said it was a good show

and he just was like oh thank you I thought what the fuck do you want me to do yeah but it was an insane thing and I was like none of this feels mean and I was like if I'm honest with you he's pretty much that and also I said he's like weird you know quite not shy but he's not I'm quite a gregarious person

and I was with one of my one of the independent people who's also met you and she was going, he's probably one of the kind, his reputation is one of the nicest people in the industry who literally bend over to get a picture, not bend over. That's a weird thing to say. Your age is at the same.

No, no, no, no, but I think everyone knows this about you. Well, no, no, no, no, no, but if someone wants a picture. I will bend over, I will bend over. For anyone that asked. Yeah, but, yeah, it was just a really weird interaction. Where I found myself getting not heated, but I was like, you know that thing where you're like, your choice of words, if I didn't know Ramesh

and said, you said, mean, I'd assume that he'd been done something quite horrible, which he just, he was, you said, could you have a picture? And he was like, yeah, and that was it. It wasn't mean. I just found it a bit of a weird, you know, there's that thing now, isn't there?

Not the thing, but this. I think you should put on that shirt for the rest of the podcast. Do you want me to? I think you should, yeah. I want to put it on now. Yeah. And then we should do it.

a picture afterwards where he's signed for my football team and he's holding his thing. This could go out of the week that you win the league. Yeah, or bottle it. That's cool. Yeah. Thanks. You look like a player with it on that.

Do I? Yeah. You've got a player, energy. Yeah, but it's a weird thing. Sorry, sorry, you were saying before you put your shirt back. Yeah. What are we saying? Oh, so it's a thing of like, so there is a time where in the past, if you'd have told me that, I'd have got really worried that there's somebody out there that doesn't like me or thinks that I've been made.

She didn't say she didn't like you by the way. No, but up and down or whatever. And then you start worrying that people are like, and I'm sure there's more than, that can't be the only person that thinks that about me. Yeah. And there must be people that think, well, there must be people thinking that about you. Of course there is. Yeah.

You just have to accept that, don't you? Yeah. You cannot be in control of those things. Yeah. But I, I, weirdly, you said some stuff to me where like about how you deal with it and then doing therapy at the moment. I, in the last, just in the last fortnight, three weeks have felt a lot of like, I've let a lot of that stuff go. Have you? That's good. Like just, just because as a people

pleaser and someone who's constantly like always worried, oh yeah, what's this person think? What's that? Yeah. I don't know. I'm like, well, there's never a time in my life that I step in and try to be a prick or got out my way. Yeah. Got out my way to be rude or, but I also can't, you know, I can't, circumstances of thing. I might be with grace or, you know, I, you know, the last, I mean, you took over three, last three or four months, I've had up and downs with a lot of different stuff going on. So how I might start the day could be quite a sad or negative place. And then to have to walk out that day and walk through the whole day with a smile,

I might have stuff on my mind. And, well, I'll never be rude. I'm also, there's times where if someone's interactive with me, I might just not be 100% present because I've got something going on at home. So I think that I used to worry all the time, just I go, oh, shit, that person. And now I'm just a bit like, you know what? It's like, if that's upset, them, or I feel, you know,

that, yeah, I didn't have an intention of doing that. But I can't be wary for, like, constantly worrying about. Yeah, yeah. I do think you have to sort of let that shit go. And I was reading this thing about how, one of the things about people pleasing. Yeah. Which I think we're both guilty of.

Yeah. John's guilty of it as well, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But, um... Oh, he's really tried to please someone who doesn't seem very pleased today. What does that mean? The Bander can insert shirt.

Has my reaction not being good enough? No, I think what I feel like if we see you in your band-the-cad-cadish... Look, let me just get this out of the way. I'm very grateful that you've gone to the trouble. I'm actually very touched that you've gone to the trouble of getting this done off. A throwaway thing I said. And if I remember from the clip, social media clip, didn't actually get... This is not...

We've not made a commemorative shirt of a viral moment from the podcast. Yeah, but the way me and John are doing here is... It went by almost unnoticed. Yeah, but what we're trying to do is trying to push the... things so they can step up a level and get out to the kissing and the big fire and stuff like that. I don't want you to

do affirmative action on my social media clip where I said Banta Canner I don't need you to do that. Now you are the Banta Cater. You know who you could be like? Oh mate this is something to make me think about. Remember the guy at the Man City game who does the thing with the

Arsenal Bottler Water? You know that guy? Can I be that that c- I'm just saying you can. I'm just saying you be like next time Arsenal play and you're in the crowd Tom you go like that you score a goal and you tell me your back

Tom just be honest with me you're walking along to a game and you see somebody wearing a shirt that says banter cannon on the back what's your immediate reaction it's

no I'm like firstly I'm gonna go I want to delve in this guy, I'll have a chat of him. Right. Or guy, go, I'm going to check if he's actually got some real issues. I mean, I can't take the No, but I think they're going to be a bit of fun.

You know what I mean? If I saw somebody with banter cannon across their back. You're not going to see them. But listen, if I saw somebody with banter cannon across their back, even if they're on a fucking stagdo, I think Thunder. There's no other, other way you can think about that.

Yeah, but you've got that on your back, right? You're at the Arsenal. Right? You're there with the boys. Alex and Charlie Lisa's with you right you slip off your fucking denim jacket

right and you you know your leather jacket in your case right you slip off your leather jacket and you've got

bantacan on the back yeah I guarantee there's hands on your shoulder and I go this case has come to play he's going to be a laugh

all game yeah and then I'm not yeah but you've got the it puts a certain level of expectation doesn't it you know what you need to do

then you need to start thinking of some call you chants you can start chanting. That you've got the right there. Or not wear the shirt. I'm trying to think what is the easier option here? No.

You can't not wear the shirt when it's a gift. You've got basically, you know, like when people have the chance they start singing about a player. What's the biggest one at Arsenal at the moment? Like if you're, we'll lose the draw. We know to score. It's Arsenal and the band of cannon. He's one of your own. He's one of your own.

Oh, Banta Cannon, he's one of your own. Let the banter fly, let the banter fly. There's loads that he could do. Banta, banta, give us a wave. Banta, give us a wave. So you have loads of fun. The boys would be, fucking hell, that's you, Dad. No.

You know what you can get? Let me show you. They would say that, it'd be like this. Fucking hell, that's you, dad. You know what you could get Charlie a shirt that says, Little Banta Cannon. Yeah, he'd love that. Charlie, put that on and let's see if you survive today.

Theo, back the cannon, too. Anyway, look, thanks so much for this shirt. It's nice to wear it for the first and last time. You could have to have framed and put it on your Terry on Re-1. I love that shirt, well, thank you. I wish this one had gone down as well. It has gone that. It's really thoughtful.

Would you want us to get it framed for you and you have it in your... I'm not having... What would you do if you... Okay, let me ask you this question. You walk to someone's house. And I've got a framed shirt that says... This shirt. He's actually more pride of this gift than the other shirt.

Go on. You walk in. Yeah. And there's a framed shirt. It says Banta Cannon 1 on it. We'll have to get pictures of you wearing it, me, and a couple of the players. The fact that you put one, it's sort of, you've ruined it twice. Because they get, not only going to think Banty Cannon,

he doesn't know how fucking numbers work in a football team. Because it should be the goalkeeper. Yeah, that's, yeah, I could have got you the goalkeeper. No, I don't want the goalkeeper shirt. No, yeah We should have gone Bantanan 10 Or 14

Yeah But you put one It's literally The fucking worst of both Yeah But yeah What's the worst The thing is you were saying

You were the number one Bantan cannon What's the I didn't say number one I never said that What's the worst I said number one Bantan You did yeah

Did I Yeah I think I said it Yeah So what have I got to wear it then You're the Banner You were the banter cannon cannon. And you're number one banter cannon.

Anyway, look, I don't want to undermine this. Yeah. I'm actually very touched. I think you feel if it was tucked in. If it was tucked in. If it was tucked in Mark. Yeah, well, because if people won't get their feet caught on it as they're shooing the shit out of me. Right, Tom. Let's fucking wrap this up.

Well, can I just say, I think it would be nice to see you like, you know, you see the pictures of the celebrity fans. Yeah. And there's like you, Moe, like, fucking Wiley, whoever else. Ian Wright. Me, Moen Wiley. And Ian Wright. You know what I mean? Yeah.

And the guy that you go with quite a lot, what's his name? Josh. Josh would like it. He'd get a laugh out of it. Okay. All right. Wrap us up, please. Wow.

It's funny, isn't it? Our names. Tom, Ramesh, sweet John. Sweet John. That's what I call him affectionately. That's the thing. A nickname could almost be as passionate as a real name. It's what your friends might give you.

whether it's, hey, there goes goofy or floppy or the bantacannon. It's something that symbolizes how people might think about you. And that can be affectionate, but it can also be upsetting. I guess that's the thing about life, isn't it? Sometimes we don't choose the steps we make, nay, the fools in which we fall. But one thing we can do is, if something offends you or upsets you, is turn around and go,

I'm not really feeling the bantanan today, guys. You know what? I don't really feel much like pebbles today. And that's the thing. If you've got true friends, I'll understand. They won't push you to wear a shirt that you don't want to wear, or a cat that might signify a tour that you're trying desperately to sell tickets to. See, Spuggan very much like Bantaconan, and a roundabout way was my nickname. And I ran for it for a long time. And then one quiet night when I was deciding on the name for my new tour, I decided to own it.

And I guess that's the thing. owning the things that might trip you up. And all we can hope for one day is Ramesh Ranganaathan, the banter can and tour. Own the moments, friends. Provided a real runner for you this, isn't it? Thank you so much for listening and watching the Wolfenar podcast, wolfaport at jimau.com.

We will see you on the email episode. Yes. Peace out. That's the wolf. Ow, aka the Banta Canon, out.