Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - Chasing Glimmers w/ Dr. Anita Phillips 

Episode Date: December 11, 2024

It's giving homegirl-time in the sanctuary! And Delegation, who better to tag team the mic than our favs, SJR and Dr. Anita Phillips? These two are dropping a whole lotta gems as they reflect on the lessons that left a lasting impact, testify to the deep satisfaction found in Christ, and share how to beat the holiday blues. If you’re looking to exchange your triggers for glimmers, Sis, then this episode is for you!    See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. I would spend less time thinking about how do I make sure I don't look like the world and more time thinking about how do I make sure I look like God. We talk a lot about gratitude and people are grieving, people have lost people, places and things that matter to them. This is why New Year's Eve is my favorite holiday because if I am breathing on that morning, I survived. This is why New Year's Eve is my favorite holiday. Because if I am breathing on that morning, I survived. This is Sarah Jakes Roberts. You are listening to the Women Evolve Podcast. I am coming to you live from my vehicle because that is the way my life is set up in these

last days of 2024. How are you? What is going on in your world? Let's see. Let me give you my update. How are you? What is going on in your world? Let's see. Let me give you my update. It is the Monday after my husband spoke in the Potter's House, Dallas, which was December 9th.

What is it? The breeze? I got my hair braided. I'm really excited. Can I tell you all, you know, I have a five head. God gave me a lot to think about. God put a lot on my mind. And I, the way my hairline is set up, like my edges on the side come out further

than my hairline at the top. So I have to wear my wig in order for my wig to stay on. I had to, it eats up some of my forehead space and I needed to get my hair braided because I needed to let my scalp and my forehead breathe. And I just remembered that like, God gave me a lot to think about. And to be honest, I feel like I was a little nervous to have like my whole forehead out, like the whole thing just going to be sitting out waving at people. But also was like girl this the only forehead you got what you gonna do like this what you got you got if you don't own it who will and so I don't know who

needs to hear this but let your forehead breathe I don't know who needs to hear this but just go on and take that makeup off and let your skin breathe I don't know who needs to hear this but don't put on no more spanks. Just let your stomach come in as it is. You know what I mean? Like just sometimes you just got to embrace what you got because it's all that you have and you ain't gonna get nothing else unless the Lord say something different. You know, if you're gonna get something different, it's gonna take some time to get it. And so my forehead is out. I'm breathing. I actually really like my it took me a minute. I don't know if I have any other like, um, I don't know if it's just like wigwares or just people who, you know, you get braids more

occasionally than consistently and it takes a minute to have like just your scalp out and just like fresh braids to me braids don't look like real real good until like you got a little bit of new growth y'all didn't ask for this But I'm giving it to you anyway And so that like start contrast of like going from maybe having you know your natural hair your wigs your sewings your puff To like whoa that is my scalp and my forehead I got the boho braids, so there's there my braids are very very full Jamie doesn't like them, but that's alright I got the boho braids, so my braids are very, very full. Jamie doesn't like them, but that's all right. My braids are very full.

And so they're not giving boneless braids, but I'm giving boneless scalp. So that was an update that you didn't even ask for, and I hope you skip past it and saved yourself some brain cells. Beyond that, what's happening in my, the pressure is getting worser. My father's

recovering well but he is still needing to take things slow and so I am you know still navigating you know just stepping into a leadership in a in a what would I call this like leadership in a critical time. It's one thing to be in leadership when things are going as planned or you're building or you're innovating, but it feels different to be in leadership at a critical time, not just in our church, but a critical time in the nation as the nation experiences a transition and what that means for the world stage, but also trying to maintain and sustain and maybe even grow the incredible work that's already been done at the Potter's House Dallas while also caring for the people as their primary leader is taking time away to rest and recover and still just, you

know, saying like, hey, we love you. We're here for you. We believe that God's given us a message to help serve us through these next few weeks. And so it just feels different. So continue to pray for me on that. My kids are almost out of school. I'm in finals for college. We're doing a lot of debriefing in post-Women Evolve, post, not just Women Evolve conference, but just evaluating some of our

wins and successes for the year. One of the things that I'm really proud of with Women Evolve is that early on when we first started, it was more of like maybe like a bulletin board of like, different opportunities for you to maybe connect with us on the road or like announcing different like projects or things that we had been working on. But one of the things that I'm most proud of is that the team has really made

the WOM and EVOLVE social media page another resource. And with it being a resource, it means that like it's giving you tools on navigating different maybe insecurities or different obstacles that come with being a woman who's evolving in her identity with God. And while we still do some of those other things, it is primarily just a source of information, inspiration, and hopefully development of faith. And so I'm really excited about that. But we're just evaluating, you know, how can we continue to innovate?

What can we do to really meet the felt need of the woman who's trying to grow in her faith with God, but also show up in the world differently? And so lots of conversations having there have been having a lot of conversation about that. How about that? And slow down. I'm in the car, school pickups are in just a minute. So am I rushing? No, I've got time.

Peace unto you, SJR. But I also want to make sure I get this right. So a lot going on, but I feel surprisingly well balanced. Oh my goodness, one last update. So I've been doing the zero to 5k run app. I have posted it on my social media it's called just run zero to 5k and my friend and I for the last nine it's a nine week program it probably took us about ten weeks maybe longer maybe like 11 weeks to

finish because I took a week off. No I started this this after woman evolve, but some of them run challenges. I started and failed and I was like, okay, I'm gonna keep trying until I get this right. It was, I think the 20 minute run or the 25 minute run really had me stumped. If you're a runner, this isn't for you. If you're not a runner, but you're like, you know what? I need to get my heart healthy. I need to get active. I would love to try and figure out running.

People say that it's really amazing. I will say this, was not a runner, never been an athlete. This app is very good at helping you to build your confidence in running. And so it's like one minute on, one minute off, or one minute on, and a minute and a half off. And I just kept building from there. And the last week week this last week week nine we've done three 30 minute runs so Monday Wednesday Fridays how we

did ours no anyways three times in the week you run for 30 minutes and I'm just so excited that I finished the app there I can't tell you how many times that I would start something like this and not finish it, but I'm excited. I finished it. And now from here, there's a 5K to 10K app in which I think by the time it's finished, you're running for like an hour. And so I don't know how long it's going to take me to do it, but I am going to do it. I've lost a lot of weight doing this app. Well, I guess it was kind of my goal because we started this fitness challenge.

I don't know if I told y'all, but I went to the doctor in July and when I went to the doctor, she got me on one of those like body scan machines and that body scan machine told me I was half fat. Let me tell you a lie I've been telling myself. I've been telling myself over and over again, like yeah, she's thick, right? But it's mostly muscle.

I don't know why I thought it was mostly muscle. It's what I told myself. The body scan machine told me it's mostly muscle. I don't know why I thought it was mostly muscle. It's what I told myself. The body scan machine told me it's mostly fat. Lied to me. Lied to me told me the truth. Have you ever had this girl lie and tell you the truth? It lied to me and told me the truth. It says, baby girl, you're actually half fat and you need to do something about that.

And I really do want to take care of my body. Like I feel like that is one of the pieces of legacy that I want to leave in the earth for my children is just attention to my body, to taking care of my body. And so I you know I was boxing before but I felt like I got even more serious after the doctor told me I was half fat and so I am gonna continue just taking care of my body and I encourage you all to do the same. All right. I know I didn't get on your nerves with all this information. So let me mind your business. You've definitely been in mind. Hi, Pastor Sarah Tix Roberts. My name is Nathina.

And first, I just want to say thank you for your continued yes and obedience to God. I know stuff like this, hearing stuff like this makes me cringe a little. I don't know if you're still going through with that, but I just pray you receive that and really rest in that because it has your yes and obedience has really blessed me and helped me with my journey in continual growth in God so just thank you. And my question is I wanted to know if you had any insight on how to be in this world and not of it. I think that's just been the main question that I have lately and I don't know what to do or how to go about answering that for myself. Lately, I've just been trying to check my heart posture as it relates to doing things.

And that's everything that I do. But sometimes I feel a bit lonely in this journey. And I don't know if I'm just being too critical of things or am I, or is this how I'm supposed to be as it relates to approaching this world? I don't know, but long story short, I just want to know if you had any insight on how to be in this world and not of it.

Thank you again, have a great night, bye. You know what's really funny about this question is that I was actually thinking about this scripture in my own prayer and devotion time today, so I can't wait to answer it. Thank you so much for what you said about my yes and my obedience. Can definitely say that there are moments where that's hard to hear because I feel like I'm hanging on by a thread and I don't know if I said yes or maybe and God was like, you know, that maybe is a yes. And so it does feel weird to kind of own it.

But today I'm in a day where I can actually say, you're welcome. And thank you for receiving my yes and making space for the way that God loves on me and loves on you through me in your life. It means a lot to me, honestly. So to answer your question, I want to first give context to that scripture. And for those of you who may not know, it's in Romans 12, one through one through two, and it says, I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy

acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service and do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. So when we talk about being in the world, but not of the world, we often refer to this scripture where it says to be, to not be conformed to this world. I want to give you context for this scripture. This was written by the apostle Paul, who was a conservative Jew who had an encounter with Jesus on the road to Damascus.

And as a result became one of the most influential voices in spreading Christianity throughout, not just Rome, but throughout many continents as in his time as an apostle. This letter is a letter that he wrote to the church in Rome and Rome in that context, if you think of any of the like gladiator movies or any of the movies that are kind of set in this time where Rome was a superpower, this is the precisely the time in which Rome is speaking to this community of small believers. We actually went to go see gladiator two with Denzel, which I have my own think piece on that. But I just walked away from it thinking even though obviously it is a fictional story, the times were not fictional.

I've been fortunate enough to go to Rome and walk in the Colosseum where they would have these gladiator fights. And to think that as dominant as Roman culture was at that time, as dominant as Greek gods and polytheism was at that time, to think that there was this small corner of people who just believe in this man named Jesus who was born of aversion, who died on a cross and

was resurrected for three days and that type of culture, it would stand to reason that this seemingly inconsequential man with this life would have not had the impact that he did and yet here we are over 2000 years later, still talking about a man whose impact outlasted the Roman empires of that time. And so I was fascinated by that, but Roman culture at that time, polytheistic, very sexually fluid, just artistic, it just not nearly as

westernized as we may see modern day Rome, modern day Europe. And so I want you to have that context. Because when he is writing this letter to the church in Rome, what he's saying is there's so much going on in the world around you. But God is doing this new thing in your life. And in order for this new thing to last, because that's what Paul wanted, is he's like, you have to protect what just happened to you. You had an encounter with God. You came to faith. You came to believe,

but it can be easily snatched away from you. And so we see him constantly writing these letters to different churches in Rome and in Corinth and in Ephesus because he wants them to protect what God placed on the inside of them. And he says, in order to do this, that you have to see your bodies as a living sacrifice. That means that everything I do with my body, the way that I speak, who I engage with in love and how I, you know know maybe fighting someone or not fighting like the limits of how my body shows up should be restricted to me recognizing

that my body is holy acceptable to God which is not like that's not even hard for me to live a life where my body is just holy and set holy to be set apart that I don't do other things with my body that other people may do. I don't engage in certain behaviors that other people may behave in my, I'm set apart. And I think a lot of times we can think about this maybe sexually, but I think there's an argument

to be made about like, how am I caring for my body in the ways that what I put in my body? How do I care for my body by the ways that I engage or not engage with rest? How do I keep my body holy and set apart, which is just my reasonable service to take care of? Okay, I'm not preaching. The second thing though, which is what you asked me about and you said, do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

So to be in the world but not of the world it starts with our mind. There's something in my mind and my thought process and when you think about the the cognitive processing of our minds it's not just what I am thinking it's how I am perceiving the world and what thoughts I'm allowing to settle into my overall perception of myself, of others. And so I think that you have to be willing to really take inventory of your thought life and from the place of your thought life to make choices about your language, to make choices about your language to make choices about your body. How can I make this more practical? Do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

How do I know where my mind is supposed to land? Okay, I need to think new thoughts, I need to do new things. But how do I know where my mind needs to land? My mind needs to land that my body, my mind, my thoughts, my spirit is going to be evidence that God is that God's will is good and acceptable and perfect. So if my mind is going to be evidence that God's will is perfect and acceptable and good, then that means that my thought life has to reflect that it is evidence that God has transformed me from the inside out. I would spend less time thinking about how do I make sure I don't look like the world and more time thinking about how do I make sure I look like God?

don't look like the world and more time thinking about how do I make sure I look like God? How do I make sure that these thoughts are a reflection of what God would think about me? What God would say about this person? I got convicted in my prayer because honestly, I was praying the devil out of somebody. Have you ever done that where you're like, you know what, Lord fix them because they don't look nothing like you. And if you don't fix them, Lord, I'm gonna fix them. I'm gonna stay away from them.

I'm gonna fix this for you. And in my prayer, I was challenged to pray God help me to see them the way that you see them to not see them from the eyes of offense to not see them from the eyes of where I think they have deficit, but to look at them the way that you look at them and then to allow that to show up in the way that I speak to them, the way that I speak about them, the way that I handle them overall. That's the real deep spiritual work of being renewed. Because a lot of times our thoughts settle into the patterns of, I'm going to quote unquote

the world, I've got air quotes, you can't see them obviously. But the world is not, sometimes it's not, you know, what we see on social media. Sometimes it's not the aesthetic, it's not the culture. But what about our own personal world? Like in our family, this is how we handle offense. This is how we handle shame. This is how we do X, Y, and Z.

But how can I make sure that I am being conformed to your word, not the world? That I am being transformed in the way that I think and not thinking because this is the way that everyone else has done it in my life. This is how I have to do it as well. So I hope that was helpful. I actually wanted to do a solo episode.

Of course, you know, the end of the year is coming and so this is about to be one of our last podcasts before 2025, but I actually wanted to do a solo episode, just kind of having a little devotional reflection for the end of 2025, 2024. So that is definitely something that I'll lean into. I hope that this answer was helpful for you. The last thing I will say is this is like,

it's okay for this to happen in bite-sized pieces, right? And so to think to yourself, okay, I want to transform my thought life as it relates to drinking. And I want my life to be evidence of God's good and acceptable and perfect will as it relates to drinking. I pulled this out of the air. And so like, you know, what's going through my head when I'm about to drink?

What is my hope in what will happen when I'm drinking or after I have this drink? And you know, can I stand by those thoughts, you know what I mean? And in being willing to surrender it, I actually think that this question is unique or that example or analogy rather, because someone asked me at conference, like she's celibate, but then she still drinks and people are like, well, how can you be celibate here, but you're willing to drink? I think it was somebody trying to trying to get her to break her celibacy was kind of pushing up on her. And I told her at the end of the day,

our responsibility and our relationship with God is to make sure that we're willing to lay any and everything down if it's keeping us from that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. And it sounds like you have a conviction about celibacy, but if what they're saying is bothering you as it relates to you drinking, then I would say that you have to be willing to lay that out the altar as well and say like,

Lord, what is your good and acceptable and perfect will as it relates to this area of my life? Do I need to cut back? Do I need to stop altogether? Is this not appropriate for what you're trying to do in this season of my life? I drink wine. Generally, it's like if we're at a fancy dinner, you know,

and I'm trying to, you know, I want to be a fancy girl, you know what I mean, with the palette and the things and all of that, but it's not a practice for me. But I also know that there are some members of my family who struggled with addiction, struggled with alcoholism, and I just want to be careful about the way that I engage in alcohol because I don't want it to become more of my God, more of my problem solver, more of my peacemaker than my relationship with the Lord. And so little

by little, I think you should look at different areas of your life and come to God's good and acceptable and perfect will. And then just know that you may have to do that again from time to I think you should look at different areas of your life and come to God's good and acceptable and perfect will. And then just know that you may have to do that again from time to time in different seasons. I hope that's helpful for you. Take everything I say to the Lord in prayer, test it, and you know, contend with it in your own relationship with God.

But I hope that there's something in there that God can use in what he's doing in your life. Thank you for trusting me with this question. Evolve. Now it is that time for my girly swirly to hit the mic. If you are new to the WOM and EVOLVE world and ecosystem, and maybe you're just not familiar with the way that we do what we do, let me tell you, part of the way that we do what we do

is who we get to do it with, and Dr. Anita Phillips is like none other. She is a licensed therapist and ordained minister. She is a New York Times bestselling author. She's a podcast host. She is a TV personality. She is my for Rand. And we wanted to do a little bit of reflecting for 2024 to help you take inventory of your

life while also taking inventory of our own lives. And I pray that this episode's transparency and vulnerability is helpful for you. We talk about some of the things that we are grateful for that happened this year, some of the lessons that we learned, and just how we're looking at 2025. So I hope that you enjoy this week's episode. Let's get into it. Okay, so I want to talk about your year. Like if you had to use one word to summarize your year, I'm going to say so far, we got a little bit more, we got a little bit more time left.

Anything could pop off the way my life is set up these days. Would you, what one word would you use to define your year? I think the first thing that comes to mind is, okay. Or some multiple forms of sheesh, like sheesh, sheesh, oh sheesh. Okay. But mostly just, okay, that's what we're doing. Okay. It was a very-

Do you know some people are like, this is the hardest year, this good year. How would you categorize it? I would categorize it as a year where... I would categorize it as a good year, for sure. I have been thinking about that lately. I don't know if I've told you this before. I probably have. That New Year's Eve is my favorite holiday. As it's coming up, yeah, I'm looking back and yeah, this year was good. It was slower than

I expected in some ways. Like there were like more projects that I hope to do and did it, but it was a good healing year and that was unexpected. Like I wasn't expecting that, but it was good. I feel like God did slow me down in some areas and I needed that after last year. So that part was good. There were adventures. There've been adventures in this year. So I've been outside a little bit.

Well, praise the Lord. We love Lord has that ministry. Yeah, I'm outside a little bit, outside a little bit. I'm outside a little bit. But it was a good year. I feel like I've gotten to know myself in a new space. You know, this is my first full year as a single woman. And I've had time to be with me in ways that I haven't been since I was 20. And now I'm 50.

So I won 51. And I like me. I enjoy my company. And it's been nice. It's been nice to get to know myself in this way. I didn't think about this first year of you being fully single. Yeah, the whole year. Yeah, so being fully single, you know, letting folks take me outside to have a dinner, have

some fun, have some things, you know. Single you has been the most exciting. It's new world. Single you has been the most exciting. It's been exciting. Single you has been exciting for me. Yeah, in what ways? I feel like I have been able to get to know a different version of you. And as we have been assessing different outside partners

or possibilities, just seeing diversity and what intrigues you, what doesn't intrigue you. Like it's been interesting. I like how you called it diversity, the diversity. Yes. Yes. I'm not sure what all I'm at liberty to say.

Right, right, right, right. Listen, I just, I look forward to, I'm learning my way around out here. And some of the things that I've heard my single sisters say for a long time, I definitely see the truth in that. It's interesting out here. But to me, it's been adventurous. And I think we should have fewer preconceived boundaries

in terms of who we're willing to date as black women. Mm hmm. Amen. How's that? Can I ask you, like, what has been, because you said, you know, you've heard some things from the single sisters. Now you're in the single sisters club. Like, what was one thing that you were surprised that was true or maybe something that they

haven't mentioned? That I was surprised was true. I can't say I was surprised it was true because I trust women's experiences. So I think that one of the things that definitely rang true was that there are often extremes. Like there'll be a man who's just like extremely non-committal in any way.

And then there's the ones that are just like, hi, I'm looking to get married in five seconds. Do you check these boxes? And you're just like, ooh. So there do seem to be extremes. I can see why people say that. I do think that some of the strain may be around limitations

on who people are willing to take them outside. So that it doesn't seem as scarce as I heard. I haven't seen that experience, but maybe because I'm more open to a variety of different types of people. Yeah, so I think that I feel like the biggest thing I'm more open to a variety of different types of people. Yeah, so I think that I feel like the biggest thing that the make or break is the same thing that's make or break in every experience pretty much

and that's fear. Fear is a big one. And I do understand I was married for an extremely long time and so it's a different experience than if you had never been married yet or still wanna get married and have children, that there are some things that are less scary about being single for me. But fear in general is, is a killer fear of rejection, fear of starting something that doesn't work out, fear of maybe never having this or never having

that like fear is a real killer. And the less afraid we can be, the more joy we can access. Period. I'm going to leave that alone because I feel like we've minded enough of that business. And I think we did well. I'll say that. You know what I mean? I'm judging us. I did too.

I think we did well. We'll do a 2026, you know, like. I would love that. Yeah, we'll do a 2026 when I'm ready to just be like, and here are all the stories, but yeah, not yet. Okay. Let me see this year. I'm just asking, thinking myself.

Yeah, what would be your word? I think it was appropriate to say surrender because I feel like I've had to surrender to a lot this year. But I do feel like this is probably the first year of my life where I have felt present in every moment of my life. Ooh, that's huge. And that's like a big deal. That is big, because you're usually down the road. I am. Even right now, thinking about a word for 2025, That is big because you're usually down the road.

I am. Yeah. Even right now, thinking about a word for 2025, like the Lord gave me the word, I just felt and heard the word freedom, but I don't even know if it was freedom is the word as much as freedom is the posture. Oh. To not be limited to this idea. Okay, so freedom is the word.

And then we got to break it up into 12 months. Cause when I try to think about it in that way, I hear freedom, but not like restrict, like trying to restrict freedom into the context. Right, it's like you're right the opposite. Like, yes, thank you for freedom. Now if we could put it into this little box. How do we structure that?

How do we structure that? But I feel like this year I have surrendered, but I have been present and I have felt real joy. I got to travel for fun this year, which I were always traveling, but most of the time it's like because we're speaking somewhere or we're on tour and we got to take some really cool trips with our kids, but I just remember feeling happy. I remember feeling sad. I remember feeling rest and peace and I don't feel like I missed me this year. Like I feel like I've missed maybe some projects, maybe some opportunities, maybe, maybe I just feel like I was in my life this year. And that makes me so happy.

How did surrender contribute to that? Did you surrender the future where you spend where you used to spend more time down the line? Did you surrender the future? What did you surrender to get into the present moment? I do think I had this surrender control because I'm a planner, so I like that. You're excellent at it. Thank you. It makes me feel safe and it makes me feel like I know my targets and my plans. And there were just so many things that didn't go as planned.

So many things that did go as planned, but were so expensive and executing that it made me question my plans and accept when plans fell apart. So I think that I had to surrender this idea of this is what everything has to look like. And to be okay with things falling apart. I think, I don't know, I feel like

part of coming to Dallas, it has made me have to like reconcile this idea of how much of my life has been about maintaining an image versus being just being who I am. And I think coming back to Dallas made me feel this pressure to live within an image of you know, you TD Jakes daughter or you're preaching at the Potter's being at the Potter's house means you have to act X, Y, and Z. And so I think that I've had to really wrestle with this idea of image versus authenticity in a way that I don't feel like I had to do as much in LA because I felt like everything that happened for me in LA was kind of just like

organic and authentic. And so I feel like this year, particularly being in Dallas, that I've had to hang on to, but what do you want? What do you feel? What do you think? What is God telling you and to protect it and advocate for it and to be okay if that didn't look like the image of what it was supposed to look like. And I don't know if I'm making any sense, but- No, you are not only making sense, I'm identifying with what you're saying in a way that I hadn't thought about before. So yeah, keep going.

Yeah, I had to, I think I trusted myself more this year, and not my works, but my being. So like I can handle the criticism, I can handle rejection, I can experience joy in the celebration moments. Like I can say that you did do a good job with that. Like, yes, God allowed it to happen. God blessed it, God graced it and you showed up for it and you get to be a part of this. Like, I feel like I took better care of who I am on the inside this year. I love that. Yeah. That's good. You feeling proud of yourself

for that? I do feel proud of myself. I think it was like, maybe last week during Thanksgiving or something. I just felt like this is exactly the life that I want for myself. And it wasn't like I wasn't like doing anything fancy or amazing. I think that I was doing something with the girls and it's just this is this is exactly the life that I wanted. I didn't ask for it or dream it, but when there's like nothing that I felt like I'm missing out of my life.

I feel really fulfilled and content, stressed, tired, you know, all of those things, but at my core, I feel very content with my life. Satisfied. Yeah. Yeah. And that feels new. That's a good thing. But at my core, I feel very content with my life. Satisfied. Yeah. Yeah. And that feels new. That's a good thing.

That's the real goal. Because there's no balance is not really attainable for a lot of us. There's always going to be something that's taken up more space than something else. And those of us who are pushing and leading and building, you know, we're at our rope's end in certain areas. I think as you've preached many times,

when God is doing something, He will make sure that you're at the end of your rope so that He's getting credit for it. So I'm not sure that balance should ever really be our goal, this sense of balance, but this deep satisfaction that you can feel. Even on the end of a day, I remember at the end of Thanksgiving,

you dropped me a text that you was just like, ugh. Yeah. Big mama is tired. But it was a satisfied exhale. Like, this was a good day with family, and I've done the things that I love. That deep satisfaction is what we're going for at the end of the day, even when we're exhausted.

That sense of contentment, it's like, I'm satisfied with this life. That's a good thing. That sense of satisfaction. That makes me feel good. You know, you're my bootleg therapist because I don't think that's you that's just be getting. There are people though who are bootleg.

Little nuggets. Who are maybe ending the year out and we talk a lot about like the blues, having the blues towards the end of the year. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think that that's something that most people experience and if people experience it, why do you think that that happens?

Well two reasons. One, we are actually affected by the reduced amount of sunlight that we get in the last months of the year. We're plants after all, so we need light and sun. And when we have less of that, it does affect people's moods. Some people are more heavily affected by it, and some people even experience seasonal depression.

And so we can actually have the blues a little more at this time of year, because we're exposed to less light. Now, if you live in California, you might have more light, like me, but it does affect us. I think that we are more exhausted because of the holiday demands. There's a lot going on.

Kids get school breaks. People are traveling for holidays. We're thinking about gifts and Christmas. And so there's a little more drain that some people experience. And I think many of us are working to make the holidays more festive and less draining. People may have family interactions this time of year

that bring back traumatic memories or difficulties, childhood stresses. So there's a lot of things that can really drain us in the last quarter. And then there may be the posture of looking back and saying, I didn't achieve what I wanted to do. I'm not where I hoped I would be by the end of this year. And that can bring heaviness as well.

So there's a lot of factors that make, that go into people feeling like this time of year can be tough. Some people address that by letting go. Some people address that with boundaries, with family or with travel, re-imagining what holidays are and can be like. Some people address it by just go ahead and jump into the next year and looking ahead. But it can be real. It can be real.

I don't want to discount that for anyone. I think it's a matter of looking at what brings that into your life if you're someone who is heavier at this time of year and how can you make a plan to change your external environment or your internal posture so that you don't have that same experience this time next year. There are things that we have the power to do. I was gonna ask you, can you do that internal posture? What does that look like, changing your internal posture? I think one of my go-tos is to have people check

on all of their I can'ts and I have tos. Because those can really crop up at this time of year. I can't do this, I can't do that, or I have to do this, I have to be in this place because it's a tradition, or because I think it's the right thing to do, or because I don't want to upset family, or because I ran out of money, whatever it is. Anything that feels like an obligation,

I can't or I have to check on that because it can also be coming from within because there are very few things that we can't do and very few things we have to do, we absolutely must do. So freeing yourself from fear, obligation and guilt that's attached to can't and have to can be very, very life altering. And that's an internal posture.

So there's a lot of power to be wielded just on how we're perceiving the world and ourselves. And then it can't be said enough, letting go of timelines and demands and where we think we should be and really remembering. It's such a good time to look back, not just over the year, but over seasons of our lives, reminding ourselves of the arc of our life

and what we've seen God do and prepare to be excited about what he can do next. I talked early this year about cultivating excitement and that has been fruitful for me to continue to do that. And so, yeah, that internal posture can really be big. I was just going to ask you for someone who feels like, you know, it's been thing after thing this year, I haven't been able to catch my breath.

How do we even take the time to really reflect? I love when you were talking about just looking at the things that God did in our lives and is that part of reflection? It is because we're always looking, we talk a lot about gratitude and how it can actually alter the chemistry of our body, the way that we feel emotionally. And I don't want us to do that on top of the pain without acknowledging where we are. People are grieving. People have lost people, places and things that matter to them. Some years do seem to crop up just thing after thing after thing. This is why

New Year's Eve is my favorite holiday. Because if I am breathing on that morning, I survived. And that's a testimony. And I can look forward to next year. If I had a great year, I wake up that morning celebrating. If I had a rough year, I wake up saying, I made it though. I'm still here. And so looking back and acknowledging this was tough, this was tough, but what about the last five years? Maybe you can see the bigger picture that God might be writing or turn to that belief that I can't see anything,

but that means that God's about to do one of the things that I have not conceived yet, that eyes haven't seen nor have ears heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, the things that God's about to do one of the things that I have not conceived yet, that eyes haven't seen nor have ears heard, neither has it entered into the heart of man, the things that God has prepared for them that love him. I can't even conceive of this thing that may fit into that space of everything has gone wrong and I can't see a light anywhere.

This is the time for me to trust that God's gonna step in. And that doesn't say it didn't hurt, but it's going to be forced to come into some line with God's purpose for my life. Can I ask you what's like one of the things you feel like God has taught you this year? What taught you or taught you again? Like you may have had different key to glass.

Yeah, right. That just because I don't see it coming doesn't mean it's not close. A lot of times it's like, but I can't see this and where would this come from? And then suddenly something will just come around the corner from my blind spot and be there. Just because I don't see it coming doesn't mean it's not close. God has surprised me multiple times this year. And so I'm reminded of that lesson, that he's working.

Sometimes God only gives us as much notice as we can handle. He gave us too much notice on some stuff. We'd probably muck it up with our anxiety, trying to control it and figure it out and ask more questions. And so, man, I'm just leaning into him. He taught me that again this year,

that he really does know what's best for me. Wait until it's resolved to see the big picture. Yeah. I feel like that's, I could probably see that being one of the lessons I learned this year too. When I think, I was thinking, I was actually sharing with PT, there was this moment where internally I was complaining to God about a timeline about something and just like, when's it going to happen?

How's it going to happen? Well, I'm going to take control of it and I'm going to make it happen for myself or I'm going to remove any doubt and concern by making this decision. And I really felt God's telling me in worship, like, but look around, it's happening right in front of your eyes. And I feel like sometimes I was so blinded this year by, you know, the plan, I guess, but blinded this year by the one way that I thought things could work that I missed that I was already standing in the fulfillment of it. You know, like I do.

And that's like that. I think that's what you know, I preach a message about like the promise and the presence. That's why the promise like it's beautiful. But sometimes we miss the promise anyway. Because we're still in the presence of our doubt. We're still in the presence of our fear, the presence of our anxiety, not realizing that we're actually standing in the promise. So that's probably why we do need to be more

presence-oriented than promise-oriented, because we miss the promise so often. Yeah, and we're not telling, I think telling the story, even as it's unfolding, reminding me like where I'm at, how I even got here, you know, it's so important. That gratitude practice is important, but for us who know Jesus,

that gratitude practice has to involve testimony. That look what I'm grateful for and let that become look what God has done. Because when we don't attach it to him, we forget that there's somebody who's still working on my behalf, even when I don't see him. That's not that old, but that song, even when we can't see him, he's working.

And that is true. And getting back down to some of the basics, like if you have your health, you have your health Right you have your family is well you have a place to live like when we were kids growing up We had testimony service at church. Yeah, and there were those basic things I think I for waking me up this morning clothing in my right mind. I think I'm for life health and strength I think I'm I have a roof over my head like that stuff becomes minimal to us, but man People are going through some things. And if we can find a space in our life to be super grateful for the basics, it's a good

thing. It's a good thing. And especially going into 25 where we don't know how the country is going to unfold. And yeah, we're walking into something that for many of us is a concern. Yeah, so I think that we need to lean into that practice. I know that was a sudden left as I just thought about 25 but. No, it's, it's on our minds. No, it's so true. And I think I try to, you know, when you look at things from every perspective, Little Miss Rescue Eve, you know, I realize that for some people, they have a lot of hope going into

2025 hope that they haven't tapped into in some time, but I think because of the communities that I serve and that I'm engaged in, the predominant sentiment is real concern. And so I think it's a unique opportunity for us to be more connected than we have ever been and in relationship in more intentional ways than we have ever been. And not just those who are feeling a sense of concern, but I think collectively to lean in if you have hope and someone else has concern to really allow ourselves to ask some questions

so that we're at least meeting one another to understand, you know, different perspectives and vantage points. But I definitely sense that. I think even for me, you know, what happened to my dad on that Sunday, trying to figure out like, what does 2025 look like with that? You know, like we came to Dallas, you know,

we're here to serve and support and be a part of this leadership team. And now, you know, we're trying to serve and support and be a part of this leadership team. And now, we're trying to make sure that we're covering in this season of transition. And I don't know what that looks like. And there's some intimidation and fear connected with that as well. But I also kind of get back to this point where like, God, you know who I am. God, you know what I have and what I don't have. God, nothing is off limits.

I'll stretch, I'll grow at whatever pace you desire, but also I can't perform. And I can't. Your commitment to not performing is one of my favorite things about you. It really is. It's one of my favorite things about you. It really is. It's one of my favorite things about you. Just wanted to say that.

I love that about you. Thank you. I want to ask you, so on Sundays, you know now that we're trying to lead stuff, on December 22nd, the Sunday before Christmas, I had this idea about really making sure that we're centering Jesus in the holiday season. And so I was thinking about having like these different

like sermon nets from different people on our team to talk about like, what does the life of Jesus mean for grief, the life of Jesus for hope. So I feel like I'm going to like rapid fire ask you some questions to get your take on it. All righty. rapid fire, asking you some questions to get your take on it. Alrighty. Okay. What does the life of Jesus mean for restoration?

His resurrection. His resurrection because Jesus was resurrected with visible scars. And I love that about the story of Jesus's life and death and new life, in that he's crucified, all his flesh is ripped off his body. In his resurrection, much of that is put back, but there's still holes that are visible in his wrists and his feet and his side. And that's what I immediately thought of when you said restoration, that it doesn't

mean that every single thing is erased. It means that what needs to be told, the lessons, the things that matter the most, the things that we need going forward, the things that will be a blessing to others is brought forward as we are restored, as the parts of us that have died are resurrected, that the parts that need to be kept with us will be kept and some things will be left behind and not visible. Restoration doesn't mean perfection. Hmm. Yeah. I love that because restoration, when people hear the word, they're like, I want my life

to go back to looking the way that it looked before the pain, before the heartbreak, before the trauma. With no evidence of the loss. No evidence. Bring it all back. Bring it all back. Yeah. And it's just not a it all back. Yeah. And it's just not a part of it. There's something that I want to be able to offer. Jesus' identity was confirmed by his scars,

but not every single scar, not every single thing that happened to him on the cross was still visible, but there was some things that needed to be brought forward. And a lot of times I think we don't heal enough before we start sharing. Yeah. And we need to let ourselves be fully resurrected in a space

and then see what did God allow to remain that is an offering for people to know the story, to be empowered, to see what restoration looks like. So yeah, resurrection and restoration are very similar to me when I look at Jesus. I love that you're so deep. Okay, what does the life of Jesus mean for depression? In Gethsemane, Jesus said to his friends, I am sorrowful unto death.

He was in such emotional pain, it felt like he was dying. That Jesus knows what that darkness looks like, what it feels like, even what it is to articulate it to people and hope that they can help or hold you up in those moments, the disciples themselves were weak. But that Jesus stays present with his pain and is honest with God about it. And I think that that's major.

There's nothing unholy about it. We don't hear him repent about it, but that he does know what that darkness feels like. And if I know that Jesus knows how I feel, that's a lot for me to go on and know that Jesus is praying for me. The Bible says he's interceding for us constantly. And when you pray for somebody from a place of knowledge,

it's a different kind of prayer. It's a different kind of prayer. Someone recently asked me to pray for them. They're gonna do some marriage counseling work. And I pray from a different place. I want them to have something that rescues that situation because I know the pain that they're facing when they consider an end.

I pray a little different, not more sincerely, but different when you're praying from a place of pain that you've been through. And so Jesus has been in every piece of pain that we've been in, not every circumstance, but he has felt what we felt. And so the fact that Jesus knows how that feels

and he's already praying also is a relief that, because sometimes in depression or deep sorrow, it's hard to pray. And knowing that I don't always have to, I can just toss that to Jesus and lay down and know that he's praying over me and take some comfort in that, not feel like if I can't force a prayer

that nothing's being prayed. He's praying for me right now. So yeah. That's so, and whenever I'm feeling away, I always like go, I'm like, did Jesus ever feel X, Y, and Z and finding that moment in scripture where I'm like, oh yeah, this must have been how he felt in this moment. It does bring me so much peace because I'm like, if he can feel this, then I can feel it too. And if he can overcome it and find you know, find the way out and find the strategy, then I can too. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. He moved through those emotions, but we never

see him rush them. Yeah. And we don't see him make commentary about it or repent about it. He felt all the things. Yeah. What does the life of Jesus mean for forgiveness? Man, the challenge always with that. The challenge always with that. You know, I have to borrow one of my favorite sayings from Dr. Tamer Bryant on that. When she talks about Jesus saying, forgive them for they know not what they do on the cross, he's speaking of everyone who's involved in this death moment. But when Jesus was resurrected, she notes like who he actually visits

and that the Roman soldiers were not among them. Jesus didn't go to pilot. He didn't go to the Roman soldiers. He went to his disciples. And so forgiveness is real, but it doesn't dictate that we engage in relationships that were not for us. I think that that's a really good balanced presentation.

Jesus said, forgive them for they know not what they do. But that doesn't mean that he was in relationship with everyone. Another thing that stands out to me with Jesus and forgiveness is Peter, of course. Yeah. Jesus knew what Peter would do, but he also restores Peter because Peter has an experience

that allows him to see himself. And the fact that his love for Jesus still persisted. And so when we look at like Peter and Judas, and man, we just see Jesus being so open. He showed the same relational love to Peter and Judas. They both betrayed, but there was space for return and reconciliation when Peter recognized his love for Jesus was real, but his behavior

was poor. Jesus made room for that. And so I think there's something to learn about that too, that we cannot always attribute someone's failure to their character. That this means this is what they are and this is all they're capable of. And a snake is going to always be a snake and that they you twice. And all the things we do to try to protect ourselves because we wanted to find somebody's character and capacity by their worst act

or the thing that was most painful for us. Forgiveness doesn't allow for that. That part's tough, but it's the truth. You know, my mind is wired to always like pick holes in things. So when Jesus is like, forgive them father for they know not what they do. I could think of plenty of instances. I was like, yeah, but they knew what they was doing. You knew.

You knew what you were doing. I'm not saying I'm Jesus. But I mean, it's hard for him to say that about them. I mean, they were literally beating them and stabbing him like they knew what they were doing. But it's like if they knew to the level of like compassion, wisdom, you know, commitment to living a life that Jesus meant, like if they really knew, you know, they wouldn't have done this. So they don't they know on one level, sure,

but the level of knowing that you're asking of them, they are incapable of giving at this stage of their life. So the best thing I can say is forgive this immature, perhaps small-minded, ignorant, but not ignorant in the way that we read people, but literally to lack knowledge, ignorant version of who they are, who has inflicted this pain on me because they don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to handle hearts. They don't know how to be the person that I need them to be.

So forgive them father for they know now what they do. And often we are collateral damage for people's issues. But it's so rare that people are waking up in the morning like I'm going to figure out a way to harm Sarah today, Anita today. You know, a lot of times people are just rolling through in their unhealed spaces and we are catching strays. That's real. I'm always balancing how I conceptualize forgiveness of someone in a specific instance with the things that I've been forgiven for

The balls that I've dropped the times that I was the villain in someone else's story It really helps me to not forgive from some condescending kind of arrogant place Oh, you know what? I released them I know that I forgive them because they're in their unhealed space and they know not what they do. They don't really see who I am. You know what I mean? You can start getting... Whenever we look at the story of Jesus, I think we should always be careful to put ourselves in his place as the hero in the story. We all have a tendency to read ourselves into the heroes of the story. But when have I, as Paul said, crucified him afresh in my heart with my behavior? When have I been Peter in one way or another and Jesus has wrapped his arms back around me?

And so, because forgiveness is not like one of my natural personality traits, leaning in that direction over the years, I've developed methods to make sure that I'm in the posture of forgiveness and try to stay there. And one of the ways I do that is reflecting on my shortcomings, my failures, the number of times that I've needed to repent to the Lord for something and not make myself better than this person

who is now failing God. And I'm collateral damage. You just got us together, didn't you? Child, you trying to stay saved out here? No, no, you spoke the truth. That part, you know what I've had, I feel like this year I've had to be comfortable like being a villain. I think there was a part of me, I think especially as like my life and story was exposed to more and more people that wanted to control the way that they perceive my intention, my impact, my

ministry, my like, you know, oh, you know what I mean? Like to control their reception of my sincerity and I have had to be okay being misunderstood, be okay like people not getting it, being okay being, like maybe they have a legitimate point about that. Like I've had to kind of navigate that releasing control in that area. That's been a surrender thing for me this year. For sure.

There's no substitute for time and time will bear out the truth about who we are. We can be more concerned with knowing for sure who we are, not whether we're guilty or not, but truly who we are and the posture we have with God that will be proven over time. And being willing to be misunderstood is a superpower. And not in a dismissive way,

like everybody don't have to understand me, but truly like this hurts me. I want to be understood, but I recognize that I cannot control that. And so I'm just going to keep being me and letting the fruit of my life speak and do that without that negative push away energy. It's the thing in here that really does it for us and then being in touch with how I'm feeling on the inside. That's a big part of that because we can't control it, but we were allowed to care.

And I think part of forgiveness for me having a forgiving posture is maintaining a soft heart still being open to not open, but recognizing the vulnerability is there and that can be wounded and not spending more time protecting myself from the pain than I am forgiving and remaining in that posture. It's tough. It's tough. I like that because I've always struggled because I'm not like the thing I don't care. Like I've never, that's not who I am. I don't have like, I've definitely been her. I want it so bad. I can't do it. I can't find it. I'd be caring, but to be like, I care, but it's okay.

It's okay. That's okay. Like, I've literally had to like pat myself until you're going to be okay and they're going to be okay. And this is okay. You can't control this, but you'll be fine. That's probably been one of my little lessons that I've learned this year too.

How do you, I really want the other energy though, to be honest, but you just- You don't, it's hard work over there. Really? It looks fun. Yeah, because I know it does, but that's been part of the miracle journey of my life. My natural personality type

is not an emotionally connective type. It's very objective, very distant, very, hey, I have some feelings, oh, this isn't working out, no problem, flip the switch right off, click, click, and good. And so when I began to get revelation about what our well-being is supposed to look like in scripture and how important emotion is and its connection, I had to be transformed by God to get to this place. I was cold blooded. When I say cold blooded,

like you don't even know I cut you off because I'm not even going to make a display of the situation. I'm just gone, just poof. I don't even need to, it was not good. It felt good at the time. It sounds good to me. It felt good and when I looked at other people who suffered and struggled, I'm like,

sorry for them emotional people, girl, I'm out. It was very, I was a very different person. I have evolved and been transformed by God into this space of deep emotional availability and connection. And there's so many things about it that are beautiful. My life is so much richer. My relationships are deeper.

My experience with God is deeper. I am closer than I've ever been to what he created us to be. But it's been a long journey and it's different. So it looks good, but, and in some ways it's easier to be like I used to be because emotional pain is limited, but I look a lot less like Jesus. And that's a very different life and I don't want it back.

Yeah. I don't want it back. Something crossed my mind earlier. Oh, I wanted to say this too, like with the misunderstanding, one of the most powerful lessons that I've learned as a therapist has been when I used to do family therapy.

I'm working with a whole family system and it would never cease to amaze me how different the experience of each person in a family system can be. If you got five people in the family, you got five different stories, five different truths. People experience things so differently that when we talk about forgiveness

and why would they do that and do they understand, it's literally if you got five people in family therapy, you can have five different stories. You almost wonder if they were in the same family. Like, were all y'all at the same Christmas party when that happened? Were all y'all in that? Because it sounds so different.

And so some of the things, one of the things that's helped me with forgiveness is to reflect on that. But people are just having an entirely different experience than I am often. We aren't even living in the same story. And so forgiveness requires me to release my view of how things happened in their mind.

Because from there, through their lens, the story is completely different and they may not even see how they've harmed me. And they may feel I've harmed them. And so just the fact that we are all having such a different experience helps me to release things to God. I don't know if that helps anybody, but it helps me.

It helps in one of those ways that it's like, but no, thank you, you know what I mean? Like it's calling on the Jesus in me, and Jesus is trying to celebrate his birthday. He's not trying to be bothered with me and my things. Okay, I'm going to ask you before we close out, what's been the highlight of the year for you so far? Ooh, highlight of the year.

Man, that's a tough one. Dang, I'm not sure. But I'm booking a New Year's Eve trip today that I think might end up being the highlight of my year. All right. Yeah, the highlight of my year. There hasn't been one big thing. There have been so many popcorn moments of joy. I can't point to one thing. Like I'm having all these flashes. I'm having flashes of me sitting on the beach at sunset. I'm having flashes of me eating donuts from

my favorite donut shop that's about 20 minutes away and open 24 hours a day and going there at some off hour and getting the donuts. Having flashes of laughing with friends, long walks. There have been so many popcorn moments of joy. That is collectively the highlight of my year that I can't find just one. Oh, what a flex. Wow. That's a god flex right there. Man, that got me a little emotional right there. Yeah. Yeah. That's the highlight. That there isn't one highlight.

Just all these moments of joy. And that is how I want to live. Right? Right? That is how I want to live. Yeah. Well. I will say, I know we're going, but I've seen both of my children develop in really beautiful Yeah. Well.

I will say, I know we're going, but I've seen both of my children develop in really beautiful ways this year. So if I had to have one highlight, yeah. When they just showed up in the popcorn series, it was like, ooh, that was a bigger pop. So both of my children, I have watched them mature in really beautiful ways this year

and this transition continually to being the mom of adults, I'm really enjoying it. I'm really enjoying this cool blend of friendship and relationship and still mom wisdom and just kind of enjoying seeing the fruit of that labor in their lives that they are loving Jesus and learning themselves and having healthy relationships. And man, I've seen some beautiful things

in their development this year. So those are two big ones. I've only known you as like a mom to adult children technically, but I know that they are even more grown than when you and I first met. And I feel like you as an adult mom is like chef's kiss. The perfect balance of relatable friend, intimacy and vulnerability, but also a source of wisdom and strength.

I feel like getting parenting right, you know, from newborn to the adult years is a journey and it's always changing. But I feel like the real testament of good parenting is how well you're able to stay connected to your adult children. And, you know, them visiting and you just spending time with them and just hearing the way you speak about them,

I feel like it's been a real blessing. Thanks, Ren. I appreciate that. You're welcome. Any closing remarks for people who were in the holiday thick of things, reflecting on the year, any nuggets you want to leave them with? Chase those glimmers. We've been talking about glimmers more and more. We all got our hands on triggers, but chase those glimmers. Slow down, like you said earlier, work on being present. Surrender future concerns to God.

Elevate faith in a way you haven't before in surrendering those future concerns. Next week, next month, next year, and chase the glimmers of the season. Look into your children's eyes. Look into your loved ones' eyes. look into your own eyes in the mirror. Be in this moment because that's where the joy is. And we need those moments to strengthen us for the hard moments. If we lean into stress and starve ourselves of joy, we weaken ourselves for the future. So, chase the glimmers. That's a word friend. I love you.

I love you too. Anything you want to tell the world for your end of the year? Pastor Sam. I've told the world everything. That's why you're here. If I had something, I would not be on the riverside. Listen, it's a thing.

It's a thing. Well, thank you for all you've been to all of us this year. Thank you for an incredible journey and surrender, for leading in that kind of vulnerability, for being so open and honest as you always are and helping us all make that surrender journey. It was necessary and useful and life-giving. And I wanna thank you on behalf of all the delegation. Thanks for leading us so well this year,

as you always do. We appreciate it. That's the assistant pastor of Woman Evolved, just so you all know. Official title. Y'all think she's the resident therapist, you're wrong. She's the assistant senior pastor of Women Evolve. It's an honor to be.

Can't wait for Women Evolve 25. Here we go. Here we go. Next level. Happy New Year, everybody. I will tell you that one thing that will never grow old for me is the way that Dr. Anita challenges me to be more like Jesus. I really be thinking that I'm trying to be more like Jesus and then she says something

that I'm like, you trying to be like you. You are not trying to be like your Lord and Savior and you definitely need to fix that because she really got me together in this episode, and I love that. You need friends that challenge you to be more like Jesus. She lets me be petty. She's not always like this. And I hope that I let her, you know,

get her petty label on as well. But when the rubber hits the road, we know that at the end of the day, we have one goal and one goal only, and that is to be more like Jesus. I love you, I hope this episode blessed you. Thank you for listening to me blabber. There was something random I forgot to tell y'all about

when I was letting you mind my business, but today I finished the app. It was a thing, but I woke up early as when I broke a glass of olive oil, trying to clean it up with something out of a sitcom, like an I Love Lucy thing. But that's it, my last little random note. I hope you all have an amazing week.

I hope that this episode finds you right when you need it. And Holy Spirit, we just welcome your way, not just your will, but your way into our lives. your will but your way. Into our lives, we surrender our own ideas, our own philosophies of who we need to be and what our lives need to look like and how we need to handle other people and how other people must handle us. And instead we say,

nevertheless not your will but ours be done. God help us to forgive in the areas where we may be holding on. Help us to welcome love and life and joy in the areas where we are afraid that we may lose it. God help us to be more spiritually sensitive than we have ever been. That we would not wonder if it is you who sent that person, that word, where we won't wonder if it was your voice we heard, but that we would know without a shadow of a doubt

that you are chasing us down. God, I love you. Jesus, thank you so much for making intercession on our behalf. Thank you for saying the words in this prayer that I didn't even know to say. Thank you for covering us always. In Jesus name, amen. Evolve.