Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - Healing Begins When You Return with Dr. Anita Phillips

Episode Date: July 2, 2026

Recovery isn't always about returning to who you were—it can be an invitation to embrace who you're becoming. As Sarah continues her healing journey, Dr. Anita Phillips steps in to share a timely message on what it means to experience true revival. If you've found yourself discouraged by unmet goals, unexpected setbacks, or feeling distant from God, this conversation will remind you that lasting transformation doesn't begin with striving—it begins with returning. Through the wisdom of Joel 2, discover how healing starts beneath the surface as you realign your heart with God's love, grace, and purpose for every season. Get your menopause treatment plan today. Visit https://myalloy.com and use code EVOLVE for $20 off your first order! #AgeGracefully Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

I tell you what? There will be moments in your life where you don't look like what you've gone through. And then there will be moments where you look exactly like what you've gone through. Today is one of those moments for me. This is Sarah Jake's Roberts and you are tuned into the What Many Ball podcast. And today I look like what I've gone through. Let me tell you, Sam, what did I go through? Do you ever look like you had a CDF surgery after a trampoline accident?

and have to wear a neck brace for four weeks and then do physical therapy. Anyways, how are you? What's going on in your world? Listen, let me tell you something. I am coming off the heels of what was my first outing this weekend. I had an opportunity to go to my daughter's Catillion. A debutante Catillion is the culmination of a months-long program in which young women are taking through different coursework about mental health, business, entrepreneurship, etiquette, hygiene,

just all of the things that you can think about. Low key, we need an adult version because, you know, then we come to steal, kill, and destroying you just be out here with no sense sometimes in your adult years. And we used to actually have an adult version of it, which I'm really, I'm going to talk to my mother about bringing it back. But I got permission from my doctor to not wear my neck brace, which was the first time that Shody had her neck brace off and was like, you know, walking around just kind of like I used to, but also different.

That's, I think one of the most interesting things about going through this recovery process is a lot of times we think that recovery and restoration are things going back to the way they were. And oftentimes it's an invitation to embrace a new. normal. And so I am hesitant to just think that I can do all of the things that I once did, especially so early in my recovery process and embracing those moments that feel familiar but foreign and allowing that integration to be the new normal. So that's my business. And let me tell you, so I went to Debutton, Catullian, it was beautiful. I posted a little vlog. I put it on my Instagram and TikTok. But what I will say is probably the day before that, if you, I was like,

feel good. Like I feel like my body's recovering well a few more weeks and I think that I'll be fine. Like I started wondering did I cancel conference prematurely? Maybe I should have waited. Let me tell you how that one outing wow me down to the ground. Shoulders, tense, neck tense, like literally took me three or four. That's why I look like what I've been through even more, especially in this moment right now. And so because I got permission to not wear my neck brace for that evening, I have to be even more intentional about wearing it just to stabilize things, I guess. This episode of Woman Evolve is brought to you by Alloy Health. I think one of the most frustrating things about being a woman is realizing how many changes to our bodies that nobody prepares us for.

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Head to MyAloid.com. That's M-Y-A-L-L-O-Y.com and use code evolve to get $20. $20 off your first order. I know that I told you all that over the next few weeks that you would be hearing from different voices and different guests, especially as we kind of come to that mid-year slump. And we start to wonder, what does it look like for me to overcome some of the unexpected things that came my way this year? What does it look like for me to emerge differently? And for those of you who may be new to the woman evolved family, you may have not met. met our assistant pastor.

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Not a church, but we do have an assistant pastor. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And her name is Dr. Anita Phillips. She is an incredible close friend of mine. And our friendship journey, you're talking about going rogue.

Our friendship journey went rogue in ways that neither of us could have prepared for. And yet it has challenged us to relinquish our identities and definitions and embrace God's purpose and calling. I cannot think of a voice more qualified to talk about some of the mid-year wrestling that many of us are facing. And so I've asked her, will she hop in and share with you all just some words of encouragement? Because though I may be recovering from this surgery, some of you may be in the middle of a fight, recovering from a battle you went through last year or a new obstacle that has come to your doorstep, no matter where you are on your journey. I believe that that this message is going to be one that meets you right where you are and that it helps you,

comforts you, but also gives you the grace that you need to wake up each day, excited, open, and sensitive to who you must be in any given moment. Let's get into this week's episode. Hey, Woman Evolve, Dr. Anita here. Excited about my chance to take over the Woman Evolve podcast and hang out with the Delegation. because I cannot remember the last time that we were together. And that is crazy because it just seems like we used to be together all the time. And now we haven't been, but I'm here.

So I'm excited about this time with you. And I'm also excited about it because it's just more evidence that Pastor Sarah is taking care of herself, that she's doing less and allowing her body to heal. And in that way, setting the example for all of us to put our bodies first, our minds, our hearts, ourselves first when it comes to the care that we need so that we can continue to be the person that God called us to be. So we are grateful that she's resting as God is knitting her body back together. And I am selfishly, selfishly looking forward to the preach that she's going to preach when she comes back to preach because the devil tried it. The devil tried

it, but God always shows up and shows off when the devil tries it. So this preach is going to be special. And I think it's going to be a, I'm getting on a plane, going to from California to Dallas, because I need to be in the room. Like, I don't even want to be online for this one. I want to be in the room ready to throw my shoe at her because I know that's how good it's going to be. In fact, I might bring extra shoes, like keep my shoes on my feet, but I'm going to have extra shoes in my bag so that I can just throw shoes at her because I know that preach. is going to be insane. It's going to be insane.

Anyway, like I said, I know that that's selfish. That's my own selfish thing that I'm looking forward to, but I bet I'm not the only one. I would keep saying I can't wait, but I guess I can wait because Sarah, I want you to take care of yourself. But who, that preach is going to be good. Anyway, anyway, anyway, just got to thinking about that.

But let's get back to this moment. Sorry, we are going rogue all year long. And I love the going rogue theme. When it first came out that this was going to be our theme this year, my heart fluttered a little bit. I had some butterflies because rogue is actually one of my favorite words and a little bit of a personality trait. Now, I don't mean like I'm not a rule breaker. I don't break rules just because I think it's fun to break a rule. I am a rule investigator, though.

Not a rule breaker. I'm a rule investigator. What is the rule and why is it here? You know, same thing with patterns. Why is this pattern seem to exist? What's the point? Traditions. Have you always done it this way?

How have you always done it? Why have you done it that way? So I'm an investigator. And if the results of the investigation don't suggest the necessity of this rule pattern, tradition, I am liable. to challenge it. So that's my, that's my version of going rogue. I will definitely make a sharp left unexpectedly if it seems like a good idea. And so going rogue spoke to me. I hope it spoke to you all,

and I hope you've been challenging yourself in that area. And this month, man, this week, we're talking about going rogue by chasing revival. Revival, which is, is something we all need. We had revival at one church, L.A. in late January, and it was phenomenal. And it was revival in the traditional sense, right? We had a series of church services. We had different people speaking. We spent extra time on the altar. We spent extra time in worship. We're inviting God to come and literally put the paddles on our chest, revive us, and to see souls saved. And the church added too, and that is revival. But Pastor, Tore gave us a definition of revival that week, that it is any moment that we are realigning with the

kingdom of God in any way. Revival is realignment with the kingdom of God. And that has stuck with me because it allows revival to be a lifestyle. It allows me to get my hands on it at any minute and any moment in my own life. I don't need an event. Revival can actually be a lifestyle. And so this idea of revival and returning to God is kingdom realignment. And so I think that is a perfect thing to be thinking about as we recognize in 2026, we're a half-time. If you're listening to this podcast, at the time it came out, we're July 1st. We are halfway through the year. And this is a moment when a lot of us do stop and think, how is the year going, what have I accomplished, where have I moved in the areas that I'm

I said I wanted to, my New Year's resolution, the manifestation of my call, the way that I want to improve, my spiritual life, emotional life, mental life, physical life, relational life, vocational life. Where am I in that effort? I'm halfway through the year. Am I halfway to where I wanted to be? And for a lot of us, honestly, the answer ends up being no, because we start with this high energy level, and then it's, and next thing you know, it's the fall, and then you're like, well, the holidays, and January 2027 or whatever the next year is

and we're setting a list of goals again. So I'm halfway through the year, am I halfway to where I wanted to be on the goals that I prayerfully set at the beginning of the year? And so my answer's no. On some things I'm doing pretty good, some things not as good,

and maybe some of you have the answer no as well. And if so, this idea of revival, this return, This realignment with the kingdom is critical because we often try and play catch up on the surface. Okay, I didn't continue in this way. I was going to work out every week, every five times a week, and now I'm not doing it. I had plans to pray more often, read my word more often. I wanted to invest more in my relationships. And then when it doesn't happen, we try to just get back on course by like hyping ourselves,

I just got to do it. I just got to do it. I just got to do it. We try and make it a behavioral intervention. another schedule strategy, an accountability partner, and it's not helping because it is on the surface. We have to stop and look at what is actually slowing us down and get beneath the soil of our hearts. And we always start change as people who follow the Lord in the spirit space. So let's go to the spirit space because the verses for our theme this week invite us into a very

sober moment of reflection. Joel chapter 2 verses 12 and 13 say this. Even now declares the Lord, return to me with all your heart, with fasting and weeping and mourning. Rend your heart and not your garments. Return to the Lord your God for he is gracious and compassionate, slow to anger and abounding in love, and he relents from sending calamity. This is a good one. It's good because it gives us instruction. It tells us exactly what we need to do to return to God in a way that will be transformative for us.

Now, interesting thing about the prophet Joel, the book of Joel, we know if, well, most of us know, the children of Israel were constantly getting themselves into trouble. God would deliver them from something, and then they would serve the Lord with all their hearts for 10 or 20 years or 30 years. And then, yikes, they would start sinning again. They would build idols. They would chase after other gods.

They would be disobedient in every way. And then a prophet would be sent to say, God's going to destroy some stuff and you're going to whoop some tails if y'all don't get it together. And then they would get it together. So in the book of Joel, though, what's interesting is Joel doesn't tell us a specific sin. In those other scenarios, generally, we know exactly what the sin of the people was, and then God is addressing it and what they need to do to get realigned with God. But the book of Joel does not give us a specific set of sins, a specific set of sins. And so I think that

gives us an opportunity to look at sin more broadly. And that will give us more opportunity to identify places where we need to return. Let me explain. Sin, as we talk about it, is usually that we did something wrong. We broke a rule. We broke a commandment of God. You got your ten commandments. One of them was broken. Sin for many of us in the Christian space, in a church space, is defined as lawbreaking. And that is a fact. So if indeed there's an area of your life where you, in your relationship with God, have made some backwards movement in living your life according to the way that the Word of God asks us to address that. It's an important thing. And think about it in terms of not just how well you're doing, but in the health of your relationship with God. Sins are boundaries. Every relationship

has boundaries. If my best friend tells me a secret and they ask you, me to keep it confidential. And I posted on social media, I have broken a boundary. I have sinned against the friendship. This relationship is no longer being taken care of. And that breach could even end a friendship. Well, every relationship has boundaries, including our relationship with God. And that's where we most often call the boundaries sin. But they're boundaries that protect the relationship. And it's important, I think, to look at it that way, because we should be keeping the boundaries. because we love the person we're in relationship with, and not because we are afraid or we feel obligated or we'll feel guilty,

but because we love the person we're in relationship with. And so if you have been breaking the boundaries in your relationship with God, repent. That means I'm going to change my mind about walking in this direction, ask God to forgive me and just get back on track. That is a part of the return. And it is not uncommon for our sinful behavior. to have an impact on what we are trying to do and build and move forward in, especially when it

comes to the call that we believe God has given us. And so, yes, sin that we, something we did wrong is a part of that. But sin is a bigger concept than that. Sin is also effective in that it hurts other people. So let's think about the consequences of sin. Sometimes people do something, they sin, in a way that hurts us. It could have been abuse that you suffered as a child. Someone sinned against you and you suffered the consequences of that sin. And that consequence was a trauma that is yet affecting your life. Excessive experiences with trauma in childhood actually show up in adulthood often as an effort to achieve certain things and a consistent failure to do so.

Yeah. Procrastination and relationship challenges. imposter syndrome. It's so many ways that trauma can show up. And sometimes that trauma is the result of someone else's sin against me. I'm suffering the consequence of someone's sin. You may be suffering the consequence of someone's sin. A betrayal could have broken your heart recently and made it harder for you to focus and you fell off from the things that you knew God had for you to do. Return to the Lord, that doesn't mean that you are guilty. It's your fault, but we can always return. Sin disrupts our connection, relationship with, closeness with God in many ways, not just by us having done something

wrong. Sometimes it's the pain of something that was done to us. And we wonder why. Return to God. Realign with the kingdom. We're going to get to the steps on that, but I just want you to be able to find places where you might need to return. So we have acts of sin. We have the consequences of sin. We also have something that I just call sinfulness. It means that we were created. Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God. But we know there was a woman and a man and a fruit and a thing and something we call the fall. And since then, we're different. Humanity was created in the image and likeness of God. But that image and likeness was marred by the fall. so we don't have the capacity to perfectly reflect the image and likeness of God now.

We can be extra. We have our personality types. We have our fears. We have our different sensitivities, the different kinds of pain. Each of us can fail in different ways for different reasons, and none of it may have to do with us committing a sin. We're just imperfect. And those imperfections can undermine our movement towards what we're called to

do towards what we've committed to do. Those imperfections can cause our word to return void. God's never will, but yeah, we're just imperfect. It could be a bad habit, but it could be a mental illness. It could be so many things. But if it has begun to make you feel like God is at a distance, like your spiritual life is not alive in the way that it once was, just return. Wherever you see, feel, experience, identify distance between you and your God. Choose that as a return. It's more than a behavior. It's what's going on underneath. Okay. So we got that in place. We know what consequence of sin, sinfulness or act of sin has us coming back around. Then the scripture tells us what to do. It says that we should come to God fasting, weeping, and mourning.

That's very specific instruction. Fasting, weeping, and mourning will get us to rend our hearts instead of our garments. See, to rend the garments at the time, there was a tradition when people were distressed or mourning grieving that they would rip their clothes to show how much pain they were in. That was an outward show. But this verse, this passage, is asking us to rip our hearts open. And I believe that the fasting, the weeping and the morning is how we actually get that done. We have specific instructions. And so, fasting. Maybe you don't know what's actually in your heart. Fasting will get you there. Fasting will open your heart. How does that happen? Well, emotions are bodily experiences. And so when we disturb the body with fasting, with turning down food, emotions have a way of floating to the surface.

The Bible actually says this. It says that God allowed to do. the children of Israel to be hungry in the wilderness because it would show what was in their hearts. So there's something about being hungry that will get the truth of heart to the surface. Emotions rise to the surface, especially our emotional pain. So fasting is effective in getting me in touch with where I am emotionally. So try it. You don't have to wait for a churchwide fast.

You don't have to wait for the Daniel fast in January. You can do it right now today. Fast till 5 o'clock or fast for 24 hours or 48 hours. But fast. And let me say, yes, some people have medical issues. They need to eat. Seek God and be wise. If you have an eating disorder, that's a mental illness that is legitimately important to consider.

And so I don't want anyone to fall under condemnation, but do what you can do fast. It changes something in the body that brings emotion to the surface. And yes, there are other ways to fast social media, Netflix, two of my favorite things to do. Because when I remove those pleasures, I am often brought back in touch with certain emotional pains very quickly. Because things like that distract me from my emotional pain. They numb me. And so they are good ways in as well. Those are pleasures to place aside.

But fasting in terms of turning down food. do it see what comes to the surface of your heart you may be surprised at what is underneath the activities or lack thereof that have brought distance between you and god between you and that live spiritual link to the lord fasting then it says weeping well i feel like it's kind of a natural flow because as the pain of our hearts comes to the surface we have the opportunity to express some painful emotions. And weeping is one of the ways that that often happens. Let God show you the broken things to lament. Let God show you what is breaking his heart to lament. Weep, release it, be with it, feel it. You have no idea what it might unclog. I just did that

myself today. And it loosened something that. needed to be loosened. We can think what I need to do and why can't I get it done. You've got to check what's going on underneath. What in the soil is making it hard for that new seed to grow. Okay? So weeping. And then mourning, grieving. This is an awareness of what has been lost. Grief is real. And you guys know that. We have to engage it. We have to let it out. We have to be honest with ourselves and with God about what we feel has been lost, about our regrets, about our sorrow. The relationship that could have been lost, the financial opportunity or the finances lost to a disaster. It could have been a home, friendships, the dream of having children that hasn't come to pass. What are you grieving?

Because keeping it in, being silent about it, it's going to affect other areas of your life. We are called in our return to God to bring our whole self and all of our pain, fasting, weeping, mourning. When we bring those things to God, something important happens for us. The heart is ripped open and God already knows what's in there. but it puts us in the position for him to reveal it to us and then to begin to heal it. And when we begin to heal it, yeah, now we're on track. That is revival because we're coming back into alignment with the kingdom. We're talking to God about what's happening.

But before we skip through talking to God, I want to lean into verse 13. Because verse 13 includes a description of God that he's gracious and compassionate. slow to anger, abounding in love, and that he relents in sending from sending calamity. That is the God to whom you are returning. I don't think it was a mistake that in this moment when Joel is calling us to return and bring our pain and be in contact with our pain, that we needed to be reminded of the God to whom we are returning. Because when we are in pain, we don't always see God clearly.

Who do you believe that God is? Are you returning to the God who only judges you? Are you returning to the God who is always mad at you? Are you returning to the God you know as the God who sends me tests and tribulations and trials? Who are you returning to? Because that is going to impact the posture of your return. We return to a God who is gracious. and compassionate. Slow to anger. Too many of us think that God is mad with us too often. He is actually slow to anger and abounding in love. What do you believe about how God loves you? What flavor of his love is most familiar to you? I have been amazed. There has been no point in my life when I wasn't learning something new about the love of God. And this last year in particular, last 12 months or so in particular, I've been learning about the love that is his generosity. I serve a generous God. I have a generous father. Now, I wouldn't have say, if someone said, do you think God is generous, I'd have been like, no, but my focus, my lived experience and my awareness, my narrative around God's love,

was very much only rooted in provision, protection, rescue, mercy, you know, when I didn't have enough he provided. When I was in trouble, he rescued me. When I did wrong, he didn't destroy me. He had mercy on me. And I'm grateful. All of those things are true. But that is not only who God is. He's more than that for me. And I'm now encountering God as a generous father, as a better parent than I could ever be. And it's changing the way I talk to God. It's changing my expectation level. It's phenomenal. Like, I realized that I was going to God as a father differently than I would expect my own children to come to me.

If my children come to me and say, hey, I'm hungry. And I'm like, okay. And they say, can I have some stale bread? I'll be like, what? First of all, I don't keep stale bread in the house. And why would you ask me for that? when have I ever responded to your hunger with some stale bread? But I realized I was going to God, not expecting him to be as good to me as I want to be to my children. And the Bible says,

if you be an evil, not to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your father in heaven give good gifts? And so I have been taking this new posture of my daddy, wants to give me good things. My dad, this God is my abe. Ah, but father. So his generosity, that's a new dimension of his love, that is blowing me away. What part of God do you focus on most? Who is he to you? How would you describe God to someone who didn't know God based on your experience, not your church language, not the scriptures that you've been hearing all your life? But the way you talk to him in prayer, when you go to him and when you don't, when you lean in and when you do things yourself, how would you introduce?

the God you serve to someone else. How would you describe him? You'd say he's loving, but like, give me more. Loving in what way? How have you experienced this God who is slow to anger and abounding in love? And he relents from sending calamity. That is not his only job.

Not every single thing that you walk through. That's hard was something that God did. The Bible says, in this life, you will have trouble. It's a fallen world because of sin, and sometimes bad things happen. It happens. It happens. And sometimes it's our turn. It reigns on the just and the unjust. There will be pain. It's not always God's sending something, some calamity. But when we are in pain, we as humans, question what we believe. We want it to mean something. We want to understand what it means and so we start meaning making and that begins for us who follow Jesus as what does this mean

spiritually and we start asking questions about God be careful that the answers that you settle on are congruent with who God actually is I feel like that is one of the number one things that I pick apart with clients who are Christians when they say well I believe God did this well is that come growing with his character. You all, not all, but most of you guys know, the story of my older sister who had a severe mental illness from childhood, bipolar disorder and schizophrenia, she had hallucination, she saw demons. That mental illness stole so many years off of her life and she died 10 years ago at the age of 48. But even today when I talk about my sister's experience as a child and her being tormented by these hallucinations of demons. There are people who will argue with me that she really was

seeing demons. It wasn't a mental illness, that perhaps she had a gift of discernment and she was able to see into the spirit realm and the devil took advantage of that. And that doesn't match the character of God. You mean God would give a child a gift to see things spirit in the spirit realm and then allow it to torment her and steal her life? Follow that to the end. The Bible says it's better to put a millstone around your neck and cast yourself into the water than it is to harm one of his little children. So how could the God who says put a rock around your neck and jump in the water before you harm a child? Give a child a gift that would torment them. You see what I mean? Or, you know, maybe a because my mom would cast out demons from people in the house that a demon found her and

attached itself to the child and that gave it access like god would allow that demon to stay connected to the child he would empower my mother to cast out the devil from a person but not her child that's not loving that's terrifying like i want you in all of your explanations of anything that heart that's ever happened to you or that's happening right now as that heart is rendered open interrogate your story interrogate your story because the god you return to matters the version of him that you believe in matters interrogate the story okay so we have fasting we're weeping we are mourning our hearts have been rendered open ripped open for God to reveal to us what is there that needs to be healed, realigned, addressed.

That's our moment to allow God to work there, but make sure it's the God that is described here. The graceful, compassionate, love abounding, slow to anger God. That's the God to whom we return. And that's where revival begins. And you never, ever, ever feel. finish with this. That's why revival should be a lifestyle. But we start here. And what is revealed in that heart? Man, you can run with that. You can lay on your face and see what scripture says about it and ask God to heal you and do his work within you. You can also maybe go to therapy and have a

conversation about it, a support group, a good friend, reveal to them what you have found, confessing to one another, healing, praying, I'm sorry, praying together that you will be healed. open hearts to connect vulnerably with each other. Therapy, support groups, friendships because when we talk about it, it becomes real in a way that allows access that it doesn't have

when we try to keep it to ourselves. And sometimes just talking to God about it is really just a way to keep a secret. Let this return to God, this revival moment, open you up to live your life fully and to access healing in every way possible. Amen?

Okay, I've been here too. long. Let me wrap this up. It's half time. We're going back on the field. The year is not over and you are not finished and God's word cannot return void. And when we return to him, we just keep making room for that word, for the seeds of that word, to produce fruit in us. Fruit that we will be both grateful for and proud of on December 31st. It is my prayer that this podcast met you right when you needed it the most. I know that revival can be a word that often makes us feel overwhelmed, maybe even makes us feel an additional sense of responsibility,

but I believe that there's such clarity and comfort in the way that it has been defined. And I'm looking forward to walking it out with you and to having our incredible God meet us and guide us every step of you. the way. I love you. I'm still recovering, taking my time, and hoping that I will be back in the saddle soon and very soon. I feel like if I plan this out properly with breaks, because whoa, it was me, that I can get back to sharing some of the lessons I've been learning on this journey with more intentionality and thoroughness soon, which I look forward to, because there is nothing that I love more than getting to do life with you. Holy Spirit, thank you for these words. Thank you for

being a teacher and a guide when we need it the most. God, I ask that you would pour out your spirit afresh over those who are listening to this podcast. God, I pray that they would experience you first in love and companionship and connection, not just as a provider and a protector, though we know that to be true. May you continue to unfold the depths of your identity and how you are able to meet us, each of us in unique ways in ways that only you know that we need. Keep our heart open to what thus saith the Lord in this season and in every season. In Jesus' name, amen. I'll see you next week.