Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - Owning Your Story Without Shame with Ms. Pat

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

Content Warning: This episode references sexual and domestic violence. Listener discretion is advised. Comedian Ms. Pat believes there are two ways to tell a story—make ’em laugh or make ’em cry! And chile, she wound up doing both in this here episode with remarkable freedom. In conversation with Sarah Jakes Roberts, Ms. Pat shares how God has been messing with her lately, and let’s just say, His voice has been there all along. As an 8th-grade dropout, teenage mother, former drug dealer, and convicted felon, our girl is well on her way to becoming a media mogul. So what changed the trajectory of a tumultuous life riddled with poverty and abuse? Well, love gave her something to reach for, obedience brought her a happily ever after, and a trip to the welfare office landed her at an open mic. Press play, sis, and if you like what you hear, pre-order “Ms. American Dream,” Ms. Pat’s hilarious new memoir! Oh, and before you go, take a peek at who all partnered with us for today’s episode. Get 40% off select Lola Blankets products at https://lolablankets.com by using code EVOLVE at checkout. Experience the world’s #1 blanket with Lola Blankets. Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/EVOLVE. #rulapod Go to https://baskandlatherco.com and use code DAF for 20% off. Download Cash App today: https://click.cash.app/ui6m/kkzntqt9 #CashAppPod Cash App is a financial services platform, not a bank. Banking services provided by Cash App’s bank partner(s). Prepaid debit cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC. Cash App Visa Debit Flex Cards issued by Sutton Bank, Member FDIC, and The Bancorp Bank, N.A., pursuant to a license from Visa U.S.A. Inc. See terms and conditions for the Sutton prepaid card, Sutton debit flex card, and Bancorp debit flex card. Cash App Green features, Savings, Direct deposit, Round ups, Overdraft coverage, and Discounts provided by Cash App, a Block, Inc. brand. Visit cash.app/legal/podcast for full disclosures. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Hey, family, it dawned on me after recording the intro that I was so concerned with making sure that you all were prepared for Ms. Pat's full authenticity that I didn't take the time to give you a disclaimer. Ms. Pat has had an incredible dynamic past and stories, some of it including some sexual trauma and molestation. Before we dive into the episode, I want to make sure that you have a moment to assess whether or not you're in a space where you can hear the story. She certainly comes out on the other side, talks about healing and restoration, but being a good steward of your heart requires that I make sure that you're prepared to hear it. So please proceed with caution, with wisdom, and make sure that you're ready to. to hear some of the low points and also the victories connected to her story.

Now, let's get into this week's episode. What's up, family? This is Sarah Jakes Roberts, and I have left my cozy chair, but this is still the Woman Evolve podcast. I am on set. We are back in the swing of things. We are recording podcasts, and I am so excited. We've had some amazing conversations.

But the one that you're going to hear from today is probably one that you would never expect like how did these two people end up in the same room together but let me tell you something by time the episode is over there are so many similarities so much gratitude that we both shared from our journey and experiences i cannot wait to get into it but first i just want to let you know like being back in the swing of things has really been an interesting journey for me i think coming off the heels of my accident trying to just figure out like who am i now what parts of me are the same what parts of me are different has been a little challenging, but one thing that I have noticed is that I have a renewed sense of gratitude for all of the things that I get to do. And even in hearing

other people's stories and experiences, it has reminded me of just how difficult life can be for all of us, but also how much beauty is connected to it as well. I don't know if you guys saw it or not, but I was on the Tamron Hall show. And it was the first time that, like, you and I, we've been talking about this accident throughout the whole process. But sitting down and having someone asked me questions about it was the first time that, and then I had to be serious because, you know, series is not where I thrive. But then I had to be like serious and talk about the toll that it actually took on me. And it made me realize sometimes we're just so busy surviving something that we don't give

those seasons of our life language. And having to give it language made it so much more emotional for me. And as September is suicide prevention month, I'm thinking about all of the people who are experiencing life silently where they are battling memories, experiences, illnesses, addictions, and they don't yet have the language. And sometimes hearing the words from someone else, sometimes being in a space where the words have no choice but to come up, it relieves some of the pressure, the tension, the turmoil that lives. lives inside of our bodies. And so I just want to remind you that, one, as hard as life can be for everyone, that it can also be beautiful. But sometimes you got to get a shovel and do some digging to find that beauty. And that may come through the form of therapy. It may come through the form of prayer and meditation. Maybe it's group counseling. I just don't want anything to be

off limits. You deserve to experience joy and happiness. And if you have a testimony where you've gone through a season of isolation, of wondering whether or not your life matters. One, I'm so grateful you're still here. I'm so grateful that there's still an opportunity for us to experience the overflow of your lessons, your wisdom, your scars. Maybe you're in a season right now where you're questioning, and those questions do come. I want you to know that community, connection, daring to let someone in can be the most faith-filled thing that you can do. And so if you have allowed me to be a part of your journey and in your life in any way. I just want you to know from my heart to yours that I want you to open up. I want you to dare to let someone in so that you

don't have to carry this weight alone. I know for sure that being able to be in community is part of the reason why those dark thoughts didn't take me completely under and not just now in other seasons of my life as well. And so this is just a reminder that it's okay to need someone. it's okay to not be okay. And being in a position where you need additional support does not mean that you're not a good Christian or that God has forgotten about you. Sometimes a message like this comes to you

because God is trying to remind you just how much you matter to him. So you guys have been minding my business, but I had to take a moment to mind yours. But we could go deeper if we need it. There are more businesses that could be minded. Matter of fact, let's just roll a tape in mind somebody else's business, okay?

Because it's always a little awkward with somebody in your business. You know what you're in business. Okay, let's pivot. Let's get into somebody else's business, okay? I honestly think that one of the most important parts of taking care of yourself is being honest about what you need. And oftentimes, what you need is support. We talk a lot about showing up for everybody else, being there for our families, our

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of like, like relief. I definitely, you have changed my life. I am so grateful that I listened to your first podcast, and I'm a broken season. You have helped me really get so close to God that I have become this person that I don't ever want to not be. And I come to you, and I just ask because for years,

we went through a separation, and in that separation. I wanted to leave my, you know, it was my flesh, everything, nothing was good enough. You know, then we reconciled, and then now we're, here we are four years later, and to these infidelity. Almost two other pregnancies, and I get to this point. This fourth woman is a woman, he doesn't want to be with me, he wants me to work, and I understand.

I understand he felt years ago. He has made such a movement in my life where all I want is a husband doesn't want to live his life separate. He finds, he told me I feel like it is so much, I know what to do what is right, but it feels so funny. Everybody, we are just so, this is not up here, it's not who he is. And since he met this woman, he has become somebody that we don't know. And now he's just so consumed. He's told me, he's like, I didn't even think we could really reconcile. And now he's like, I've ruined everything.

And the way God, the way I know God, he, you come to him and he just, God helps and changes everything. God is always, he's made a way for me. He's made such a big impact in my life. And I just, I know we can't do the work for other people, but I'm just, I don't know what to do. You know, I should be, I should be heading for the hills with him getting this last woman pregnant. You know, she didn't keep the baby. She had an abortion.

And, you know, I just, I should be so disembiscive. disgusted and not wanting to be with him. But the fact that I know that I was not perfect, it makes me... Wow. Thank you for how you shared your experience in your marriage. First of all, I know that that cannot be easy. And to trust me with something that is so vulnerable, so tender, and something that means so much to you.

Really, I feel so honored and grateful. And I'm just honored that God would allow me to partner with what he's doing in your life and that he would use me. I can tell you, I heard your question about not being sure what to do. And then I also hear your heart about what you want to see happen. And it sounds like the same transformational power of God that you have experienced that you want your husband to experience too and that you want that to show up

in the way that he shows up in the marriage and the way that he honors you and your children. And I feel like that's what anyone who has experienced the transformational power of God will want for someone else, but how much more so when it's your partner? And I think in many ways you kind of answered your question is you can pray for that hunger.

You can pray for that thirst to be quenched. or that thirst to be deposited and then quenched. But that's between him and God. That's something that he and God have to work out. And so my question then to you is, do you have a word from God about who you are to be in this marriage? If you feel called to be a part of the midwife team that God uses to birth the next version of him,

I can never stand in the way of that word that you have from God. you have to know that you have biblical grounds for divorce. So if it's about how I want to honor God, I don't want to break any rules, you have to know that just based on biblical grounds that you have that capacity to divorce him. And you know that most women and most people who would hear this question would say, girl, leave him. As a matter of factly, if I were Eve and in my full eiveness, I would say, girl, it doesn't sound like there's a whole lot to fight for here.

however, there's something in your heart that's still hanging on. And so my question then is, do you feel called to be a part of what God is doing in his life at the expense of experiencing hurt and exposing your children to whatever ups and downs come with that? And that's something only you and God can answer. If you say, Lord, if it takes another five years, if it takes another 10 years, this is what I feel like you're calling me to do. So give me the grace, the strength, the capacity, the wisdom to stand by him, you work through him, that's between you and God. If not, if you're trying to hang on because you just want that redemption story, you just want to be the one that says, and God did it for us, even

if God hasn't called you to it. I would say that one of the first things that you have to consider is really embracing what the marriage is, not what you want it to be. As much as you want it to, you want a God-fearing husband and you want this safe household for your children, you have to embrace that that's what I want, but it's not what I have. And so, God, this is the reality of where I am. God, always meets us where we are. And God, what is going to be required of me to get from where I am to whatever next looks like? And regardless of whether it's you staying or you leaving, I think you're going to have to grieve the fact that this is how your marriage has played out. It sounds like because you made some mistakes at the front end that you feel this sense of obligation

to be patient and sensitive as he's walking out this season of making choices that are painful. And I will just say that the only difference in trying to rebuild in a marriage after infidelity is that you need two people who want the same thing in a marriage, willing to do whatever it takes to build that marriage.

And right now it sounds like you want something that he doesn't want. And so I think getting to a place where you can come to terms with the reality of where the marriage is, the heartbreak. connected to that, the grief connected to that. And then God, what is the next hope that I can lean on to as I figure out what's next for me? The same God that's spoken to you and found messages

that has changed your life that has helped you in your lowest moments. That same voice of God is available to you as you make this decision and as you determine what's best for you and your family. You already know because you know my story. You're talking to a woman who's had very, very similar experiences in my first marriage. And as much as I wanted to leave because I got angry, because I got upset, because I wanted to prove to him that I was too good or too worthy for that behavior. My self-esteem was so low, I couldn't do that. I wasn't able to leave until I got to a place where it wasn't even about his actions anymore. It was about who I wanted to be and the type of environment required in order for me to be that. And that vision of who I wanted to be

came directly from me trusting who God said I could be, that I could be fearfully and wonderfully made, that I was worthy of love and protection. And from that place of faith, by faith, believing, that the same God who made the girls who didn't have the mess that passed or history, that same God still had that hope for me, my decision to leave that marriage had less to do with his actions and more to do with me trying to protect that trajectory

that I saw possible for my life. So when you make this decision, make it less about what he did and how I should respond and more about God. What is it that you are calling me to do in this season? Who will I have to become? What will I have to let go with? And just know that it's going to be difficult no matter what you choose to do. It's going to be difficult if you stay and there will be challenges if you leave. But the question becomes, God, what path brings me closer to what you already know about who I am and who I will need?

in my life in order to become it. I hope that's helpful. I'm so, so sorry, girl. I'm so sorry. This is not what love is supposed to be. You're right. This isn't what marriage is supposed to be. And the more quickly you can create a different definition for your children,

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You know, there is a part of me that wonders how our next guest would answer that question. But also, also, I don't think that any of us would be ready for it. let me tell you a little bit about how I came to be in Miss Pat's orbit. My friend and stylist Jay Boland was styling her, and I saw her on this page. I'm like, wow, she's beautiful. I had no idea her story. I think that she has a book coming out, and either we reached out to them or they reached out to us about sharing her story.

And I wasn't exactly sure what to expect because I wasn't watching her shows or her YouTube series and someone mentioned to me that like she has very colorful language and I thought you know what my family colors. You know what I mean? Like how colorful can it be? I have since

learned that Ms. Pat tells it like it is whether you're ready to hear it or not. So I do want to preface our conversation by saying I did not ask her to be anyone other than herself when she came on the podcast. I did not ask her to shrink to

fit into a box to make us more comfortable. However, there are some moments within the conversation where we did believe just to maintain the integrity of making sure that there are people who are not comfortable with that language. And we just wanted to make sure that it was a safe space, not just for her, but for you all who often listen to the podcast. Now that you know a little bit about the disclaimer, let me tell you what I discovered when I had this conversation with her. Miss Pat is known for making people laugh, think, and sometimes heal.

She has built this career that is rooted in authenticity and resilience. Her journey has taken her from poverty, teenage motherhood, abuse, incarceration, and an eighth grade education to building a multifaceted career across television, podcasting, books, business, and entertainment. But for Ms. Pat, success has never been only about what she can build for herself. She is passionate. She has created opportunities for others, supported her community, and she uses what she has learned to help the next generation. At the center of everything she does is family. And after spending so much of her life

searching for stability and love, Ms. Pat has created the kind of home and family she once dreamed of having. I did not anticipate that this conversation would go from us laughing one minute to literally crying so much in gratitude for how drastically our lives have changed. I am so excited that you get to have this hilarious, heartwarming conversation with Ms. Pat. She is completely and unapologetically herself. Please welcome to the Woman Evolve podcast, Ms. Pat. I'm so glad I can't pay. I was like, go, go.

And I was like, well, I'm going to get up and go. Because I do a little cooking show at my house. Well, it's not little. it's kind of a big deal. Well, to some people, it's just in my kitchen in front of the refrigerator. And it's just something I started for myself. And I was like, I like doing it.

So now I started to kind of incorporate my husband because he don't like to do nothing. Really? So when I don't have a gas, he'll fill it in and we'll remake something I already learned. What is y'all's chemistry like? He's funny. Like you? No, he keeps me grounded.

Okay. So no matter what I am in the world, I come home and take my wig off, I'm just me. Honey. And I'm telling my husband You're about to be married to a man Because when I took this wig off The boy is coming out I got hair

But it's all platted down Mine is all plighted down I mean you got a whole production team It's just being my kids A whole production thing Your husband here? Yes he is What a husband at?

Right there My husband? Yeah Your husband's clean is a dollopee Yeah, it's husband I like them. I did all right for myself. Yeah, we're 12 years in it.

12 years. Mm-hmm. You know the key to being married. What is it? I don't know. How long have you been married? 32 years. You know something.

Honestly, don't cheat, communication. Everybody's going to have problems. Nobody's perfect. You know, people look at Hollywood and they believe, oh, the power couple. I said, that ain't no power couple. because when they go home, they probably sleep in two different rooms and they hate each other. Now, I don't sleep in the same room my husband because we both fat and he snore and he can't control his gas. Right.

But I love him. Right. Okay. So I do go visit. And he come over. I ain't sleeping with no man. I've been with 32 years. I'm tired of sleeping with him.

I'm going through menopause, you know, stuff heat up. He don't understand what my boob need his own pillow. Right. So I just, I don't do that. How long have you been sleeping in separate beds? Two years. And it's the most wonderful thing when you've been married a long time. You know, we just schedule whatever we're going to do.

You want to do this on Tuesday? Want to do this on Thursday? Well, it ain't that many days a week. Lord, this is a Christian person. These people are going to call in and cuss me out. But when we're putting a little thing on the schedule and we'll go visit. So that keeps it. So you got to decorate your room, the way you like it?

I do. My room is always junkie. Okay. Because my husband is ex-military, so I can't stand him. Okay. They talk to people out of fold their clothes and throw their socks like they blind. so I can't stand the neatness. I need chaos in my life.

I need my clothes on the flow. I need the wig thrown across the bed. I need a lot of... If it's neat, then I don't feel right. But the other part of the house is clean. But in my own space. I need chaos. Now, what about, like...

I know you schedule, but, like, just cuddling. Like, cuddled up watching movies or TV. When you've been married at long, I ain't no culling. I mean, I'm going to lie to you. watch the same thing my husband watched. So, you know my background. That's why you call me. My ex-drug dealer, professional check

for you back in the day. Nobody could outdo me. But we like different stuff. I like gangster movies. I like drive-by movies. My husband more of, he want to learn what's going on in the world. I don't want to hear nothing about that. I don't want to watch no.

I don't want to watch what he watched. Too dark and depressing. Well, he's like old movies, black and white movies. Everybody dead in the movie. Everybody dead who made it. the movie. I want to see some I want to see some gangster stuff. Is watching gangster stuff like it don't,

is it like does it not remind you of your It do? You know what? I didn't watch for a long time was the wire. The wire was too true to my real life. Like that's how we sold dope and allowed. Was it like traumatizing to watch it or was it like? Well my husband grew up Christian. His mama was Saint Defy. I don't know

what you call them people who go to church every day but Sunday. She was one of them people. So that's how he grew up. I grew up in the streets. So it fascinated him. So When the Waiya came out, I said, I don't want to see that. Because I'm trying to get my life back together. I'm trying to lie to this man like I can cook. I'm trying to have my kids or daddy.

I'm trying to do the right thing. And the Yipop up and tell all my beings. So I didn't like the Waii for a long time. You said before we sat down and God's been messing with you, what did that mean? God has been messing with me. So I ain't shared this with anybody. So I have custody of my niece kids. So I'm the person in the family where, you know, my family's been stricken by, we're very dysfunctional.

love the little family that I can gather with, but my sister's on drugs. Me and my sisters and brother really don't, we're not family like. So when I'm coming up here in Atlanta, growing up as a little black girl in the inner city of Atlanta, one thing I always wanted was a family

because I watched the Brady bunch. And you know, back in those days, white TV control household, because that's all they showed you a white TV. So all I wanted was a family like that. So I said, if I don't do nothing before I die, I'm going to get me a family. So I had two kids

by married men really early at 14, he was 20-something and I held that first baby and I said I finally got me a family but then my sister got on drugs really bad because of the things I believe the things we went through as little kids, as kids

molestation and all of that other stuff I got custody of her four kids and then I married my husband and then we got my sister came and got her kids back and she ruined their life pretty much did with her to her kids with my mom

did to us. Malestation, alcohol, child abuse, you name it. She took her kids back from me after 10 years and did the same thing. So those, I had her kids, my sister kids. I raised them for 10 years, 10, 11 years. After she destroyed their life, I ended up picking up one of her kids out homeless with four kids. I'm raising her four kids right now. So I've had these kids for 13 years. Okay. So I tell you how I say, Now, I'm the type of person. I know that there's a higher power. I don't go to church.

I do believe in God, so I don't want to hear that mess. But I'm the type of person. I figured God got so many nuts in this world he got to deal with. I'm going to go to him when I need him. Okay. So my, about three weeks ago, God's, I say probably around November last year, God started messing with me. And so I talked to God real.

I ain't going to tell you how I talked to them because you're a Christian. But I said, look, Lord, now you're not going with that. I'm not going to do that. I said, I'm not going to do that. You go on? Come to find out the people who was taking care of my other niece kid, the lady, she was dying accounts. And I knew it.

And I saw it on Facebook, but I ignored it. I said, I'm not going over there. You're trying to trick me to get some more kids. I said, you better let them kids get hit by a bus and turn them into angels. I know you need more angels than you. Well, Miss Pat, that's not. What? I'm going to tell you what I said.

Well, that's what I said to my Lord. That's what I'm having a conversation. And you're trying to give me. You can tell him the truth. Yeah, I'm going to tell him the truth. So I said, Lord, you're trying to give me these kids. I'm not going over there. Get that lady, kid.

Leading me alone. So she passed away in December. Come three weeks ago, by the, what's the month this is? April. April. By March, somebody called me and said, we need your help with your nieces. And I said, no, you don't. And then God said, go over there.

And I said, I ain't going over there. He said, I said, look, don't you got somebody else who can do this? Because you know if I go over there and see them poor kids? Oh, I'm sorry. I said, I'm going to go over there and see them kids in my heart going to break. And he said, go over there. So I go over there and I help them out with some things. And then I go over there and I go home and I go get in my bed.

True story. And God said, I need you to go get them kids. And I said, God, you don't have lost your mind. I said, God, you don't gave me four crack head babies. I already got four crack baby. You're going to give me four three more crack baby? I said, I said, I know you blessed me tremendously. But I'm going to tell you right now, you ain't got blessed me no more.

Get somebody else that blessed and get them kids and somebody else. God said, get your black ass up and go over there and get them kids. Excuse me, y'all. And I fought for about three, four days. So now y'all, I have custody of seven kids. And I'm 54 years old going through mental pals. And I asked God, because when he gave me the first

set, I had an anxiety attack, and I never have an anxiety attack. And I said, how am I going to raise these four kids, Lord? I mean, my career was finally trying to take off. I was rat there almost had the Miss Pat show. And I said, you don't say here and gave me four kids from a crackhead that I ran off? And he said, I'm not lying, y'all. I tell people this all the time.

It was a voice that whispered in my ear. I cannot identify the voice. He said, take care of these kids and I got you. Within six months, the Miss Pat Show found a home. Wow. And I knew it all because I obeyed. And I'm like, I don't go to church. I don't be praying and all that stuff.

And so when he gave me these last three, I said, well, I don't need anything else, Lord, and I don't do this for blessings. But can't you give them to somebody else? And it was six of them. And I said, well, look, Lord, I'm going to make a deal. I only got 12 bedrooms, and I only had three bedrooms available. I said, I'm going to take three. You're going to do some of the other three. Let them out.

So I took the three girls because I saw the little black girl in me. when nobody was there for me. And I know what I went through with teenage pregnant, molestation, and abuse. And I said, if I can't do anything, at least I can show these three other three black girls a better way. They're my niece.

They're all my grand nieces and nephews. So now, now I count my kids, I have six girls and one boy in my house. Your heart and house is full. Yes, Lord. When you have textured hair, you learn pretty quickly that just because something works for everybody else, it doesn't mean it's going to work for you. I've tried the trending products, followed the routines, listened to all the advice, and still looked at my hair after styling it like, I know you lie it. Our curls and coils have their own needs.

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And it has been It's the craziest journey I mean And I fought for a couple weeks About these last three Yeah And I walked in the road My birthday just passed

And these kids wrote me a song And I'm a thub So I never cry And I don't cry I don't know You know what If I cry usually I'm going to fight Okay

Yeah yeah So I'm sitting there on my birthday And I never expect to get anything because people don't like to buy me something because you can't really give me nothing because I don't need anything. And these kids wrote a song about how I snatched them out of the gutter.

And when I tell y'all how I boohooed, that I boohooed. And, you know, and I'm sitting out writing the sixth season of the Miss Pass show with all the writers on the Zoom and they just popped in the room with this little rap song that they made and the kids wrote it.

And I was like, now that's how you're surprising, give me a gift. and I could not stop crying because, you know, they was with the other four kids and they never said thank you and I don't expect them to say thank you. But for them to pop in and just say

thank you for saving us. That really touched me because I couldn't say that to anybody when I was coming up. Yeah, nobody snatched you out of the car. Nobody's, and I tell them all the time I say, I wish I had an auntie pad. I wish I had, I made a lot of mistakes

because I didn't have an auntie pad or somebody to come on. I had some angels later on in life, but in the beginning it was rough. Yeah. Do you mind telling your story? What story? You're in the beginning.

Well, I grew up here in Atlanta. Well, this is a different audience. This church audience. I grew up here in Atlanta and with a single mom. My mom was an alcoholic and we got, I got pregnant by a married man when I was 13 and he was 22. I got pregnant at 13. Really?

Yeah. I have my son. of 14 years old. Really? We was both around the same time. Yeah. I mean, two totally different. I mean, I grew up in church.

You were... I went to church at that time to eat. To eat. Back then, the food was free. So, you know, you could... Was it good? Heck yeah. That's black.

I always said that back when church really cared about you. All you had to do was go. And my sister was such an actress or she would fake shout. I said, because the more you shout at a black church, baby, the bigger your plate of beat-assad. So my sister were going there

and just show her. And I was like, yeah, Ma'am, we're going to eat. We go eat. And she'd get in there shout.

And you know, back in those days, them black church had them big old fat, ugly women in the basement who were full of sodium, who couldn't even lift their feet. They just drugged their feet

in the house shoes, but they were so ugly. And y'all know I'm telling the truth out of there. You know, mid-bed and men married, they kept them in the basement to cook all day because the pastor didn't want to look at them.

So, but when you got in. Pat, we don't know why he was in the basement. I know why they're in the basement. I like how y'all are looking the other way. But I'm up here telling the truth. Y'all know everybody in the basement were cooking, were ugly. They were single.

They were old. But they had them recipes, and that's why they was in the basement. So we went the church every Sunday to eat. And then Ronald Reagan got elected. And I never get the church, started charging $5 for a meal. And I told my sister, I said, let's get the hell out of here. These people tripping. We ain't got no $5.

This dance you've been doing every Sunday ain't going to work no more. We've got to find us another way to eat. Miss Pat. I'm sorry. Your dad

the church had run around back in the day. But we had this scheme and so my mama had this whole scheme where she would take us to be baptized. So back in the day

if you got baptized, the church will help you with your financial problem. Okay. And it was a scheme. How many times have you been baptized? 20-something times. And I'm not lying.

My mom would have the church in line up. And she would say, niggles, don't you tell nobody why you wet when we walk in them. And we were here two, three churches on a Sunday. And I hated it. Like baptized three times in the Sunday. Sometimes two and three times. That's why the Lord speak to you because you didn't have baptized in many times. We need more of a bath than baptism.

Period. Yeah, but we had Jerry Curles and she didn't have the money for the activator So by the time he'd dip her The little activator we thought were going to last for the month They're going to wash off in the baptism world And you're like, man, I got to be nab ahead For the next 28 day

But that's what she did to get money Until we discover the white churches And boy, they get way more Miss Pat I got to be honest with you Well, you know, they're demographic, usually They're higher earners I don't know about no demographic

and how you're earning but them white people didn't care how much you got out of the page black people say one flower one egg you know and my mama just say they would like

the white church will get each and every one of us a box the black church say one box per family you know I ain't lie so my mama discovered the white churches and we left the black churches

alone and then you can easily lie to white people more easily because they already knew they was already, the world, they had already messed up the world, you know. You know, you know what I'm trying to say. You know, with all the stuff going on in the world,

the white people at church wanted to do right. So you can go in there and tell them all kinds of lies. And which we did. And we got a lot more. Okay. Well. Who booked this interview? And, you know, one of the things you said, though,

Ms. Pack? So I'm not like fully falling for it. Something happened where you were able to identify the voice of God. Because you're like, you said you don't bother God unless you really, really need something. But it sounds like the Lord be talking to you. So I'm trying to figure out, how did you come to this place where you're like, oh, that's the Lord talking to me and I better obey? Okay. I would say probably the first time I ever heard the voice of God. I got shocked, right? I was shooting at a guy. I was a drug. tell them and I was shooting and I remember he said he said I'm come back and I'm blow your

brains out and so as I'm running and I remember these bullets going on my main and bullets are powerful when they pass you and a voice say stay still and I stopped and I reached for the dough and I could feel all those bullets going on my head and the bullet went up under my arm and blew my whole titty

or loose my aureola off and I was so grateful to be shot in the tithe versus shot in the head. But who else could have stopped me? Because I was running. And the voice said, stop. And I just stopped. And I reached for the dough.

And the bullet hit me up under the arm. I would say that's the first time I ever heard. I knew it was God. Because as I was running, I said, Lord, I said, if I die, nobody's going to take care of my two kids. I'm like 17 at the time. I said, please don't let me get shot. And so when I got to the door of this crack house and I went to try to run in it,

a voice says, stop. and I stopped and I reached for the dome and the bullet hit me up under my arm and blew my aerial off and you knew it was God well somebody told me to stop you know at the time I'm in the rural

I mean whoever was talking to me I'm glad they told me to stop because I'd rather lose a nipple than a life I mean I was done with kids I thought I've never breastfed anyway so I need two nipples

I'm trying to figure out how do you go from I was a drug dealer got shot to Ms. Pat. Like, now you're like a media mogul. I don't know about no media mogul.

I just thought, you know what? I was not ashamed of my story. And when I became a stand-up, I'm a convicted felon. I mean, so many times convicted felon. And then I dropped out of school in the eighth grade. And, you know, I got these kids. And I just couldn't find a job.

And I met a really good man, my husband. And my husband didn't come from a background like me. So he was like, hey, you can't be writing these people, checks and selling all this dope and stealing all this stuff. But, you know, he still wanted to be with me. But in the same time he in my ear, it's like, hey, you know, when you write a check, you're harming people. I'm like, I don't know these people. Who am I harming? The FDA, this stuff is bagged by the bank.

So whatever I bounce, the bank is going to cover. Because, you know, that's what you learn in the street. And he just, I think he just stayed on me. and then I think I made the changes in my life because I found somebody to finally love me. And I think my whole life I was just searching for someone. For so many years people said I love you. So when they said I love you,

it was my baby dad who abused me. Or they said I love you. It was somebody who was molesting me. So all the people before my husband that said I love you was just only there to take advantage of you. And so he was the first person that used the words, I love you, and I felt like I'm, it meant it. So I started to change my life. You know, here I am, convicted failing.

Eighth grade education, hard to find a job. And I'm bouncing from trying to find, you know, my husband working in General Motors, and I'm trying to find something to lock into so I can make some decent money. And I just took a trip to the welfare office, told some lies to get some extra Section 8 or whatever I was trying to get. And she was like, you got a talent. And nobody had never told me I had a talent. And I said, well, what is it? She was like, You remind me a lot of retropying. And she was like, I think you're a comedian. And I said, no, I want to be a nurse.

She said, look, you're convicted fella. Ain't anybody going to let you be no nurse. You got too much stuff on your background. And I just went to an open mic. And I know, when I stood on that stage and I said, I went home this that night. And I told my husband, I said, I think I'm a comedian. But I was like, let me tell you something. Take your to Target tomorrow and don't steal nothing to clock in and do your job.

You know, comedian. And I started going to open mics. It really missed up my marriage. At the time, I got accustomed to my sister, four kids, and I had two kids, and I had a baby by my husband. And so he's like, look, anybody got time for this coming. And stuff, you got to go to work. And I said, it's something here.

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It did. I mean, I felt, and I told him today, I said, you're the first person in my life that never let me down. You know, people, I mean, before him, I spent 10 years with my first kid's father. And then, you know, I wonder, I was like, why did I take so much abuse? Because my first kid's father had like 22 kids. He was married. He was very abusive.

He shot me back of the head. He beat me. But I thought that was love. And let me tell you why. Because I grew up with a mama who told me if a man don't hit you, he don't love you. Wow. So every black guy, every time he hit me with his roller skate, the Negro roller skate and suck your thunk and thunking thaw. Yes, he did.

So every time he slapped me with a skate or hit me in the head with a stopper, I thought that was love until I met my husband. It really was when Tina Turner did what's love got to do with it. And then I said, this ain't love. Lord don't supposed to hurt. Yeah. And so I just, that was a, I only bug God a few times in my life. And I remember going to God and this was my prayer.

I said, Lord, I said, I'm going to keep it real with you. I said, I love this man more than I love my life. myself. I said, I want you to remove the love that I have for him. But I said, one thing I do not want, I don't want to hate this man. I said, I don't want to love him anymore. I say, any desire having me, remove it. When I tell you, I went to bed that night and woke up the next day and didn't I want him. And you know, sometimes when you break up with somebody, you got to go back and have sex a couple more time, you know, to get it out of your system. You know, a couple more time. I never touched him. Never, I woke up and never wanted him. And I met my husband at

same month. It was like unbelievable. Because that was time he was like, I marry you, I love you. And I always wanted to be married to him. At least I thought I did because I thought I was the main chick out of the 20-something baby mama. Or how have been many baby-mommas he got? I always felt like I was

the one that he loved the most. Child, I woke up and never loved them again. Have you gone to therapy? Because you, I mean, you're just like talking about the things that happened. No, I ain't with no therapy. I ain't got no therapy money. Well, that's not true. Well, therapy for me, Well, you buy two drinks at a club.

You just been through so much, but you talk about it with such freedom, you know? You know, I can tell this story two ways. I can make you cry with it or I can make you laugh. I chose to laugh because I feel like when I can laugh about it, I got control of that situation. Yeah. So I'm okay. I'll forgiving him. I'll forgive the two people that caused me the most hurt in my life, which is my mother.

and for not protecting me, you know, for all the things I saw her do to my sister, you know, and my mama allowed me to touch us. She allowed it. It didn't happen to me as much with my mama versus with people that we knew in the family. It was what I learned at school, you know, you don't let people touch you. Yeah. But I saw my mama abuse, like literally abused my sister with it. How'd you forgive her?

I hated my mama. And I'm going to say that with, I hated that woman. And she, when I tried to love her, it was just so many times in my life that she let me down. And I always, I've told this story a hundred times. One time I had a black history play at school, elementary school. And back in those days, you really had to be Corraltar, Scott King, or Maldon King. You had to get up there. You had to know about all of these people there in the world.

And I said, just come to my play, please. because I didn't want to be the only child with nobody there. And I remember looking out in the audience and nobody was there. Everybody held a mama or daddy there unto your grandmama. I was the only child out of their whole auditorie that didn't have one person there. And I told myself, I said, excuse my French, I said, she would never hurt me again. I never invited her to anything. I hated her.

When she died at 39, I didn't shed a tear. I hated her. But I walked around with a knot in my chest. And I said, what is this knot in my chest, God? He said, you got to forgive the people that hurt you. So I got on my knees and I don't get on my knees much, especially in my late age. But a child, a whole other story.

I got on my knees and I forgave my mom and my baby daddy. because those are the two people that hurt to me the most and then I started to live but I had to admit and you know what's crazy because I talked to my brothers and sisters about our lives

and there they put a blockage up they literally put a blockage up they tell me all my mom ain't that bad and I'm arguing with them and I've wrote too I'm on my second book and it was like why you say things like that

I said what was you living at we was living in the same house But they blocked all the hurt out. But, you know, you can only block it out for so long and then it all come back to service. Then you wonder why people are right here crazy. Right. You wonder why people acting the way they're acting.

Because that's what I did. For years, I just blocked it all away. You talked about your first, well, you have a second book, Miss American Dream. Yes. What does that mean? Just by overcoming the things that I, you know, went through it. More about, it's a pickup on the first book. And it's about, you know, I told y'all how I got.

grew up in Atlanta what I went through as a teenage mom. Then it tells you how I got to Hollywood and got the things I did. And, you know, the ups and downs and the marriage and the family. You know, the sight, my family had the sacrifice. My daughter wanted to go to HBCU. And right when she was graduating, my niece, who I picked up with the four kids, who I was helping, she just up and left me with the kids. So my daughter was like, I'm not going to leave my daddy here with all these kids.

So she's sacrificed and went to a PWI to help raise these kids. So, you know, I have a daughter that's 28 who's been helping me raise everybody kids. So, you know, that was a big sacrifice. And it kind of really broke me

because I know how much my daughter wanted to go to a HBCU. But she was like, I'm not leaving my daddy here. And we're just going to support what you do because I just, I'm still going to go to college. Well, she went to college

and she graduated. She got a couple degrees, but it makes, me feel bad that she never got to do the things she wanted to do because her mama was always somewhere helping somebody else. And, you know, when I brought these last set of the kids home three weeks ago, she just bust out crying. And I said, why are you crying, Garyana? She said, because you always trying to say the little girl rabid in there, everybody. And then I said, well, you're right. I said, well, what do you want me to do? These are, you know, whether we know

these kids or not, these are still our relatives. And I said, I just want to give them a change. It was hard because of a whole life I missed out on a lot of things from chasing a comedy career then I get these kids and I think sometimes my kids feel like you've been saving everybody else but you're not saving us.

So maybe I do need a little counseling. You may enjoy therapy. Nah. You're telling your business anyway. Yeah, I like telling my business this way. I don't sit down across the sofa from somebody who won't tell me what to do.

No. You know, I don't know, Ms. Pat. I think that, like, it's one thing to be talented. It's one thing to have a story. But there's obviously your business acumen. But I guess, I mean, my husband and I always talk about this because he was raised in Watts. And so he always talks about how. Why Watts sound for me?

Los Angeles. Okay, okay. It's a right for the side of South Central Los Angeles. Yes, I knew I heard of heard of Watts before. But how some of the things that make, you know, black people ingenuity in the streets with the street economics translates into business acumen as well. So I'm thinking you as a drug dealer, I mean, you were running a business. You were an entrepreneur in many aspects.

And now you're doing it in Hollywood. Like how has it been you transitioning from business, from illegal business? You know, I was just talking to my sister and she said, I think I run this like I did when I was a drug dealer. Like people say I don't sleep. I'm always thinking about the next thing and I never want Hollywood to have that control over me so that's why I have the cooking show in my house

that's why I have the podcast that's why I'm always trying to create other things because I know the Miss Pat show is going to end I know the judge show is going to end so I don't want to be one of those people left like hey hire me because I don't want to beg so I like taking care of myself

you know I expect you to say no when I walk into those rooms You know, and it's just, it's the hustle in me. It's obvious. I mean, you're doing so, tell me, list all your businesses. I have the two TV shows. I've, I sold a few more. I got the book.

I have the cooking show. I have the podcast. A hairline, don't you have like a hair line? I'm about to drop a hairline. I'm about to start a foundation. Okay. What's your foundation for? My foundation, and I just discovered it.

So I did Shack podcast And education school is really Mean a lot to me Because when I went to school You know I was that poor kid Who always got that free box of food I was that poor kid You know who the teacher

I have to give a shout out to the teacher English Avenue Miss Troop When I was going to English Avenue Because that lady pulled me into the bathroom And combed my hair And gave me a bath So other kids would not pick on me So you know

Just giving back to schools is very important to me. So I'm going down the line one day, looking at my interview with Shaq and somebody said, hey Shaq, come over and help me with the Black History Play. Immediately, Black History Play,

that kicked stuff back up in me. So I inbox a dude, he said, Miss Patter, Shaq, help us out. So I said, well, what do you need? He said, I'm just trying to throw a black history play. Can you please come over? I just need a little money to get the kids some cup of outfit.

I said, I'll pay for everything. Tell me where you're at. So I go over to the school, and I pay for everything. and then he called back the next year. Hey, Ms. Pat. It's Black History Month again. But you know what I do?

I go on the teacher logs and I don't tell anybody. And I just buy people classrooms out. Because I know it's some kid in that they cannot afford things. And so I'm making my foundation. I want to raise money to go back in the school because they're trying to erase all history and just to throw Black history plays for kids. because it actually cost me about seven grand to do that this year for those kids

with balloons and the food and the outfits and the decorate. I decorate the whole cafeteria and I have all the stuff carved out and made for them. So I said, that's going to be my foundation. I want to put black history plays back in the school. I love that. And it is necessary because we don't, and not enough black children know their history. And they're erasing it. You know, my kids are raised in my seconds of the kids raising.

white school, thank God, you know, I'm black, and my husband are blacker than black. You couldn't tell my kids, Christopher Kalama's discovered nothing. Yeah. You know, and when I got custody of my niece kids, I remember the kids come home and say, you know, the slaves just worked. Who the

hell? Told y'all that. Yeah. So I had, we have to constantly correct them. And, you know, if you just let them, if you just let them push that crap on your kids, it's going to remove all the history and all the blackness out of them. So, I want to, that's what I want to do.

That's what I'm going to do. And I just started getting my foundation together, but that's what I'm going to do. Put black history plays back in school. Have you always had these dreams, or is it like the more that you accomplished one thing, like the next thing came to you? Yes, the next thing come to me.

And it's always, I'm a very given person. And again, that's sometime when I go back and say, God, come on, God. Why me? Why me? And then I look up and I get a blessing, a tremendous blessing out of nowhere. So I'm trying to learn how to behave, Lord.

I know you're listening to us. I'm trying not to talk back. Can you tell me the first time you really realize, like, people are really rocking with me? Like, you know, because you're kind of famous Miss Pat. Like, for the longest, I didn't think people knew what the Miss Pat show was because we was on BT Plus and BT Plus was a

very small streaming service. And when we got over there, we, you know, we lit fire. And, and, you know, I will go to these parties and I would think that people, like, people come in like, oh, my God, I love, you know, who the hell is you? Now, I don't know anybody on TV because I don't look at TV. And I don't care.

So you like have somebody with me who know TV. I'm like, tell me who the hell this person. It's probably in the second season of the Miss Pat show, I realized, you know, I started to get stopped. a lot from fans. You know, because I had a very white fan base at first. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes, I did Joe Rogan.

I did all of them crazy white boys' podcasts. And that's the fan base I had. When that thing launched over there on BET Plus, black people was like, who is she? And they letting her curse. Oh, my gosh, you remind me of somebody. And so I would get stopped a lot in the street. And so I was like, oh, well, maybe people do know me.

But the word famous have not, I don't feel that I don't feel that It's like when people stop me And I'm in T.J. Max Because I love T.J. Max And I'm home goods. And they was like, what are you doing here?

I said, well, what are you doing here? I'm doing what you doing here? I pulled up the Popeye. The man, like, Ben Pat had the drive-through. I said, if you don't give me my chicken, I'm going to rob this place. You eat chicken? I'm fat. What do you think I eat, Al?

So it's crazy questions like that sometime when people are like, is that really you? I can be walking. I hate makeup and, you know, I just go out, throw a wig and a hat on. And people are like, is that you? Sometimes I live, like, no, that's not me. Right, no, I just look like her. Yeah.

I heard something about you being able to heal the little girl in you through TV. Is that right? When we first started the Miss Pat show, who, that boy was pulling some stuff out of me. Yeah. He was pulling some stuff. Because in the first few seasons, we were just hitting it with so much of my life that I wasn't ready. And one of the, we was already dealing with Mildred, which was my mama.

And, you know, the things I say today out of my mouth, I never got a chance to say to my mama. And so I got to say a lot of things on that show. Like, my mom would always call us Napa Head Bees. And I never liked my hair. I remember when I was coming out, I said, I just want to be white. You know, we did a hair episode. And I went to him and I said, you got to do this episode. He was like, why is it so important?

I said because I always was told it was something wrong with my hair. I was nappy-headed. And when I did that episode and I looked at the little girl who played me, I boohoo. I boo-hoo. I boo-hoo. And the cry. I cried. And I remember getting in my car.

Every time I did an episode that healed a little rabbit in me, every time he did an episode that healed a little girl in me, I would get in my car and cry. Because I felt like that was the healing that I needed. When I argued with my Tammy Roman in the first season and when I slammed it out, it hurt so much. Because all I wanted was a sister. I want a sister so bad. My sister has been on drugs, her whole childhood. So I never was able to have a sister.

I had a sister. But my mama took through prostitution with the station. my sister's all messed up now. You know, and we never had a loving relationship. So when Tammy came into my life on the Miss Pat show, I was able to say a few things that I wanted to say to my real sister. And that was the first time of my life I ever felt like I had a sister. And then I remember getting in the car after season one finale,

and I just boo hoo because I was like, why do my sister? to have to be on drugs. Why? You know, I was like, Lord, why was I thrown into this family? But they always say, why I'm about to cry? They always say, God never put too much on you

than you can handle. I just say, Lord, why don't I have a family? But I also learn that sometimes God give you the strength to build that family. And I'm 54 today. And I have that family. I always wanted. I didn't have it in the beginning, but I have it now.

And there's nothing like walking into my house. And I was telling somebody other day, I said, money can't make you happy. I was telling the lady who was right by me because of money. I've realized that. I've had a few dollars, illegal and legally. Money can't make you happy. But I walked around my, into my living room another day. And those seven kids that I have Cassio were playing Uno with the smiles on their face

and the yelling in that house and the love I know God, I'm happy. I don't need nothing else. I told God if you got a blessing, give it to somebody else. I'm good. I'm good.

I'm okay. And I am. I don't know why TD J. Don't know why T.D. Jets, don't drug this shit out of me. But I'm good. I am, and these are tears of joy because I worked 54 years to get here to have somebody to love me.

And that's all I ever wanted was somebody to love me. And I got it. I got a husband. I got kids. I got a family. And I'm happy. And you can't buy that. And I got a few dollars.

And I know you do too. And I got a few real purses. But there ain't no purse and nothing that I ever bought made me feel the way I feel this year in the last 30-some years there's no struggle there's no nothing I'm happy

you know what when I got these kids I told you I was mad right so I said Lord why you give me these kids you know I'm about to go to Japan I got about these niggas a ticket I know

I laugh between anything but I told the kids I said well our vacation was already playing, we're going to Japan. And they was like, the kids didn't even know what Japan was. They're like, we got to get on a plane.

And they was like, they was asking the other kids that I have custody. They were like, what's a plane like? So the other kids said, well, we said in first class, we're going to eat. Don't say that. I can't afford first class. Y'all been a whole year.

They got to sit in the back of the plane. They got to earn their place. They can't. grab the first class. No, the ticket had went up by the time I got the kids on the back of the plane. So I said, look, y'all in the back of the plane, but they're going to feed you too,

not just as much as they're going to feed us at the front of the plane. Y'all just going to let a nigga cry. Y'all don't get me some tissue. And so they was asking the new kid up. Oh, thank you, baby. They were asking the new kids, you know, what is like to fly and stuff like that. And, you know, it's just, and for them to come and, you know, I get to take them to Japan and, you know, just get to open their minds and, you know, just to see how happy they is now. Yeah.

And, you know, I ain't mean to cry. See, she'll make me cry on like crime. My back. But, like I said, I'm happy. And money can't buy you what I have. Yeah. If I die tomorrow, I'm happy. I made it.

And I don't mean made it through Hollywood. Right. No, my heart. Yes. I got that family that I always wanted. Yeah. You know, when I say, let's throw a party day down. And we ain't perfect now.

We be arguing. We be fighting. Yeah. You know, I got a few kids that I piss off. But we're all right. Yeah. And that's what it's all about. I know it's like, even with my teen pregnancy to be like, man, am I ever going to get to a place?

And I had a first marriage and went through heartbreaks. and am I ever going to be happy? And then to let that little girl in you who was hurting, you know, experienced your happiness. That's a big deal. Yes, and that's what it's all about. And that's why I try to tell people,

I say, I tell all my friends, I say one thing I've learned about life is to live. Life is short. None of us, you know, I tell people, I say, the biggest killer in this world is the Lord. He's a soul snatcher. And can't nobody stop him from snatch here. You're talking about somebody who do drive-by, baby.

Guard you drive-by, as he come get you. So I tell people all the time, you got to live your life. Yeah. You got to enjoy. You got to enjoy your family. You know, just enjoy life. And that's all I'm trying to do now. And you help another people enjoy their lives, too.

I am. I am. And, you know, anybody who comes into my presence, I'm never a gatekeeper. I want to see everybody do well. I was just talking to a girlfriend who I hadn't talked to in a while, and she own a business. And I was looking at an Instagram, and I just called.

I said, let me show you how to do this. Let me just help you. And then I love to flip houses. That's what I do. That's what I love to do. And so I remodel one of my runner houses, and I said, can I do your house? And she asked me, she said, why are you doing this? And I asked me to pay you.

I said, I just want to see everybody be great. I said, why wouldn't I help you? Why would I go and learn something and come back and want to charge you? That's not how you help your community. Yeah. So I said, I just want to help. And she let me help. And that's what life is all about.

Ms. Pat, you brought me some joy today. Did I? Yes. Thank you. You did it too. You made me cry. Missed my little maid. Ain't that something?

Then you told me you was a thug. You didn't cry. I'll look at you up here just leaking. I got to turn my wig. Back was like I had. I'm going to do rapid fire with you. and which I'm going to ask you questions. Hold on.

What my Starbucks said? That's my baby right there. That's my favorite child. Does everyone know he's your favorite? Yeah, I tell everybody. Only flaw he got, he smoked weed. Okay. That's my baby right there.

That's my baby. Where does he fall on the list that like a woman? He's my last one. He's literally the baby. He's the last one. That's my favorite child. He's the only one. He's the first one in my wheel.

Okay. Did he take it easy on you and on the parenting side? Is that why he's your favorite or you just like him? You know what? When I, when I, he weighed 10 pounds, two ounces. So I kept getting fat and fatter and fatter. So I said, why I'm getting so fat? You know? So I go to the doctor, they said, ma'am, you're pregnant?

I said, I spotted last month. And so by the time I found out of pregnant, I was like six, seven months. You know, I'm fat. I just thought I was fat. I was on sectionate, watching soap poppas every day, eating Cheeriole and fruit loops. I thought I was fat. I go in now, I'd get birth. to a 10 pound, two-ounce boy.

And I just, he's just my favorite. He's a good kid. And he's so lovable. Like, if a woman, if any woman out there ever get Junebug hard, you got a good man. But you know what I don't like about him?

He like them thug chicks like me. He like them rowdy about it. Well, I said, why are you always getting these women won't fight you and arguing? So he got, he's attracted to people like me. It's because you love him too well He said, I'm always like my mama But he's my favorite child

And I tell all my kids that He's the first in the wheel Okay, are you ready for these questions? Uh-oh. What's the first thing you notice When meeting someone? This is going to sound crazy Well, Ms. Pat, a lot that we've said

On the podcast today sound a little I feel spirits I can feel your spirit I can walk into a room And I said, mm-mm, I ain't for the fight with that devil right now. And people are like, you crazy. I said, mm-mm, that thing right there. Evil.

Yeah. And I can feel a spirit. I can feel a good person. I can feel a person who's trying to reject me. Because, you know, I throw out of tear and then we laugh him. Or I say how I really feel about whatever. And they're like, how can you say that? And I can feel when you're rejecting me.

And so, and then it'll always be aware from the Lord and say, keep going. Keep going. That person needs you to make them laugh. So I pick up on spears I'm really big on spirit Like I give you an example When we shot this The Miss Pat show started at Fox

Fox Fox sold the show to Hulu Right After Fox sold the show to Hulu We shoot the pilot Well God came to me and said Your show is not going to be on Hulu So Debbie Allen is there

Everybody is there And I'm trying to say Debbie God said they ain't going to pick it up Debbie like what are you talking about My co-crazy What are you talking about? I said God told me the deep people don't want this show and their man

think I'm crazy. That man, that white man walked into that room and I said, ooh, Lord, ooh, that thing, that don't like me. They was like, what are you talking about? I said, that spirit is busy and I ain't about to fight with the spirit. And they thought I was crazy on set. And, I mean, it was packed out. We, I mean, we had two packed out show

just killing on a lot that night. And I went to them and I said, this show would not be picked up here. And they thought I was crazy. But I felt his spirit from the time he walked. Then at the very first time, God say this is not where you will be at. Have you been discerning like that since you were a little girl? I don't know where that came from.

Yeah. It doesn't kept me out of jail. I remember one time I was selling dope and God said, get up and move. And time I got up a move, the red dog came and locked there about up and they thought I was snitching. But God told me to move. He didn't tell them to move. I don't know why the Lord didn't tell them to move, but he told me to move. He said he had a plan for you.

He got to get you on TV. We need you to move out the way. I mean, I can't help. They got locked up and beat up that day. I jumped the fence and hid my dope and ran on in the house. And look at you. How do I sit here and tell some of my room? Oh, this is going to be interesting.

Let's see. People are going to let us have it. Home cooked meal or fine dining restaurant? Probably fine dining. Yeah. Mm-hmm. You like a steak? I don't like steak.

Okay. I don't like steak. And, you know, I ain't got no back teeth. I ain't got no back teeth money. Okay. So I've been chewing with the front for so long. They were my nose wide. So stay.

I don't know steak. Give me a little salmon, so I'm going to slip down my throat. Okay. If you could eat only one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be? One meal for the rest of my life. Mm-hmm. Um, I would say cheek filet, but I'm sick of cheek filet. I don't know.

Probably rice. Just white rice? Do you put like sugar and butter and stuff? No, I don't do that. Just white rice? Just white rice for the rest of your life. I don't know what it would be. You know what?

I like them golden flake barbecue chips. Now I can eat them. I got like five bags on my dresser right now. Golden plate. Them honey barbecue chips? Oh, yeah, oh yeah. Oh, you can only get them out the ghetto. They ain't in a nice neighborhood.

You got to get them out the gas station where the gas station handler got a lock on it. Yeah, I get them. Them some five potato chips. This one's going to be hard. Build your Mount Rushmore of comedians. Oh, comedians. Eddie Murphy, Bernie Matt,

what's his name, prior. Yeah. Oh, how many old now? How many people are you? Four. Four? You name three. Chris Rocker, Kevin Hart.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. Yeah. Last question. I knew I was evolving when? When the government told me I had to pay a million I was in taxes.

That's some scary crap. Now, you know I got all them kids at house and I don't get no earned-earned income credit for them kids. Yeah, it ain't nothing past when you get past that earned income credit. Baby, you, them kids ain't worth nothing. Yeah. I mean, nothing. Nothing. I mean, love them.

Yes. The government don't care. They got no same kids. They are not no right-offs. Well, congratulations. That ain't no congratulations. Thank you, Miss Pat. That wasn't too bad, was it?

No. Well, and the other than you made me cry. I love that. Thank you for sharing so much of your heart. Well, thank you for listening. Thank you for allowing me to talk. And thank you for, you know, thank you. That's not what I expected when I got here, but, you know.

What did you expect? I really expect for y'all be boosies. But y'all are black folks. No. It wasn't what I was expecting. You know, I thought you were going to be holy da-da, but you're not, you know, but you're a real person. I am a real person. That's what I ain't like about my mother-in-law.

She would talk about people on the phone and then, it was like she was so holy-daa. But you was cool. Yes, me. Yeah. I can go out and have a meal with you. I'd appreciate that. We had to make that happen. I ain't going to eat no rice, though.

I like rice. I know. We got to go somewhere where we had some steak. We can chew a little bit. I don't like steak. I know, but you had a rice, though. so I'm going to have a steak. I'm going to have a salmon.

Or the salmon. Okay, period. So that moment where Ms. Pat got unexpectedly emotional, thinking about how much her life has changed, was just a sign to me as we started earlier talking about suicide prevention month and how drastically our lives can change. Imagine having some of those darkest, lowest moments,

and then coming out on the other side, realizing I finally made it. That can be the test. testimony for any of us and all of us if we just dare to keep on living and keep on making the best out of whatever we have left. I pray that this podcast blessed you. I'm thinking that my sis who's going through a tumultuous marriage and what God will do with what she has left over. I hope that this episode remind you that we don't just serve a God who can lay a feast in front of us, prepare a feast for us in the table in the presence of our enemies, but we also serve a

who knows what to do with leftovers. So can I pray for you as you're going through this season of your life? God, for many of us, we have questions. Questions about what you can do in this season of our life with what we have left over, with the hopes that are still connected to our hearts, even in the face of devastation. And God, I pray right now that you would send ministering angels to meet to meet each and every last one of us. and the area of our greatest need, that we would have an encounter with your presence and with your spirit that reminds us that we were never, ever alone,

no matter how isolated we felt. And God, I pray, the same way that you brought me into the lives of other people, that you would bring more people into their lives to remind them of your love, your kindness, your support, that they would feel less alone and from that place of feeling less alone, that they would begin a healing journey

that makes them look back one day and say, God, you really, really did it at a time where I had nothing left. Thank you, God, because I believe that this is just the beginning, and testimonies will come. In Jesus' name, I pray. Amen. I'm not sure if you know this or not, but if you are in Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis, Birmingham, Nashville, or San Antonio, we are headed your way with the Rogue Route Tour. What I am excited about is that this is an opportunity for us. to gather women who have found themselves on a rogue route. Maybe life forced them there because something unexpected happened and they're trying to deal with the aftermath of life not going as planned,

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