Woman Evolve with Sarah Jakes Roberts - Straight from the Heart w/ Brittainy Noel

Episode Date: October 1, 2025

Far too long, we've been conditioned to believe that nobody cares. But sis, the truth is, how you feel matters. And today's guest, Brittainy Noel, a therapist, speaker, and founder of The Daily Fix, as well as the visionary behind the Heart Talks Tour—came through to remind you to stop living in your head and start leading with your heart! In this heartfelt convo with SJR, they explored femininity, how to flow from what no longer serves you, the power of reframing your hope, gender norms, dating fatigue, and a whole lot more! So what if you're not everyone's cup of tea? The consequence of being your full self is freedom. So girl, get up! Get out of survival mode and go live!

Making the wrong choice or wrong decision may cause emotional pain or frustration, but realizing that it was the wrong choice is still a step in the right direction. Getting to a certain point in your hill journey means, now that I've learned all my trauma and I've learned everything that's wrong and I've learned everything that I need to fix. Okay, cool, we've done our work. Now I get to list. What's up fam bam bam? It's your girl SJR and you are listening to the woman evolved podcast. How are you doing? What is going on in your world? How's your heart right now? The world is always up to something. But how are you processing what's happening in the world? I hope that you're taking time to turn down the volume of the noise in the world and tapping into a sound from heaven that eases your soul that brings you peace. and gratitude in the midst of it all. I am trying to do something very similar in my own world,

really balancing my intake and consumption, but also being really intentional about how I am showing up, which, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this. Primarily because I don't, okay, I guess I'm about to be vulnerable, I guess. So I've been thinking a lot about this because I am wanting to present the fullness of what God is doing in my life while also having discretion about what's not for consumption. Part of, so for those of you who may not know, maybe you came in, you know, halfway into the story of my life, I never had any intention of being a pastor, a minister, an author. These are all things that I have stepped into as I have practiced obedience in my life. And so I just started off. I was going through a bad marriage and I just started blogging, just trying to figure out like, who am I?

what happened? How did I end up in this situation? And I didn't even know that writing could be like a gift. Like when I grew up, you know, I think because of content now, people understand the beauty of writing. But when I was growing up, like if you can't sing, you can't dance, you can't do this, like writing is not a talent. There was something about me being able to write down where I was that translated to where other people were that had started making me believe like maybe this is something special and unique that I'm able to put into words what other people, are feeling and sensing. And from there, I just continue to write from a place of authenticity and truth. And one of the most challenging parts of God allowing those words to create influence,

whether they're written words or spoken words, is trying to not marginalize myself to who I was when things first started or into other people's expectations. And one of the things I heard God say, especially when I was kind of going through it a couple months ago, was like, you are going to have to be painfully authentic in order to get this done. I'm excited about our conversation today, by the way, because she said something that like, it gutted me in the best way. But I just, you know, I've been getting gutted lately.

do the podcast. But anyways, when I was talking to Brittany, she said something that was so powerful and that she told me that people want to be themselves. They often choose to want to be themselves. But in being themselves, they don't want to deal with the consequence of being themselves. And that part really ate down because there is a consequence to being yourself. Not everyone's going to like you. Not everyone's going to understand it. And so allowing yourself to live with the consequences of being yourself, it takes courage. So anyways, I say that to say that God told me like, you're going to have to be painfully authentic. And he told me this in the context of me trying to figure out, okay, so, you know, this went well, this went wrong, this I could have done better,

this I didn't know, but what should I do next time? How do I need to change in order to avoid, you know, experiencing rejection or avoid, ultimately it came down to rejection. And you cannot live a life based off of avoiding rejection. It's not healthy. It's not healthy for you. It contaminates your purpose because your purpose is more acceptance than it is obedience. You just can't make that your mission. And so I had to really get my heart together and say, I'm going to have to be painfully authentic. Why painfully? Because it means stumbling. It means messing up. It means being misunderstood. The pain of authenticity is something that you're going to have to be willing to embrace. If you're going to allow people to be a part of this journey of watching you grow,

people may start with you and fall off. People may fall off. People may never get on. You know what I mean? And so I've had to really reorient my mind around what it means to show up in who God has called me to be and nothing more and nothing less. And to be okay also growing in front of people. And I believe that it's part of my, I don't believe that this is everyone's call, but I do believe that God has made it my call. And the only reason why I believe this is because the only time that I begin to fill my relationship with God go deeper is when I not just embrace myself, but I dare to let the glory of God rest on that embrace and to share the light that emitted as a result of that grace.

So I don't think I'm ever going to be one of those people who tell half the story, like, oh, look at all of the good things, look at how amazing this thing. Look at all the things that God did. And I'm just like one of his favorites without letting you know that I once felt dirty, that I once felt nasty. I live in the tension of here are my scars and here is my worship. Here is my triumph and here are my trials. I believe that that's what I'm called to do.

God may change that call, but for now that's what I'm called to do. And so living in that and embracing that and allowing that to be a part of what other people experience of me is very important. To me, to God, I don't want to be your God. I don't want to be your little Savior. I want you to see the power of what happens when we surrender, when we obey. I want to share with you what God is saying to me, and I love you so much that I say it with passion, because I believe that it can radically change your life. And I want to believe that I love you just a portion of a smidge of the way that God loves you, and I want what God wants for you. And I

offer you that. But I offer it to you in an earthen vessel, a girl who's still figuring it out, a girl who laughs, a girl who will take her wig off and watch her face off on camera. Like, I'm just a girl. So I don't know. So on social media, I have resisted the need to back away, which is what I really wanted to do. And now I'm wondering, like, am I, do I need to gate keep more of my personality? Because I, I've been doing like the whole, just get on, get on there like FaceTime and share what God's put on your heart or you know a little he he a little kiki he he and yeah so I don't know y'all didn't ask for that beyond what's going going in my heart and my soul I have therapy tomorrow so I'm a let her read if y'all don't follow me on TikTok I share

something that my therapist said to me on TikTok that it upset the girls but it's okay because it upset me first so you got to go on my TikTok and hear that but beyond that I'm doing well I'm lifting, I have an Olympic bar, which I ordered off of Amazon, and I am learning how to like clean, how to do cleans and how to snatch so that I can be snatched. It was there. I couldn't, I couldn't ride over it. It was there. I had to take it. And so I'm excited about that. I am taking my forensics class. I did well on my exam. I'm momming. I was tired. I was so annoyed this. Have you ever just had were like the people that just, They peopled too much in my house.

And my husband wasn't even here, so I'm not even talking about him. I'm talking about the little people. She wanted to record something on the podcast. I'm just let her hop in here for a second later. But, yeah, I'm in a good space. So, boom. Let me mind your business. Hi, Sarah.

My name is Krista. Just want to say that I love you, and I just love everything that you're doing. my mind your business question is kind of two part it's around trusting God and also just hearing God's voice so I just recently graduated with my master's degree and right now it's just a lot of uncertainty happening in just the job market the political climate like it's just a lot of uncertainty happening right now and I went through something similar when I got my first degree and of course God provided. I got a job and all those good stuff.

What I'm struggling like God did not bring me this far to leave. You know, I went and got this second degree, get free, I got accepted to a school of my top choice. I know that those things didn't align in that way just for God to leave me.

But right now, it feels a little bit hopeless. And I've been networking and informational interviews, doing everything I can, I can't apply and all that good stuff. And I got a job offered and it doesn't feel like it's aligning. But I also just don't know how to confirm this with God.

I don't know how to listen to God's voice. In the past, I've taken things working out as God's saying, like, yes, this is the path for you. And I know that's not right. So if you can give any advice on just like trusting God and his plan, especially during this time, of uncertainty and then also just listening out for God in these types of uncertainty. And I recognize that God is not like this big movement voice all the time that's going to come directly and speak to you, but what are some other ways that I can hone in on the voice of God? Thank you. I love this question down. I love it so bad because I think it speaks to your desire to want to do well,

your desire to make sure that you are aligned with God's will and God's purposes for your life. And it makes me so grateful that God looks at our heart, that he understands our intention and our desire. And also that we see in part, that we do not have the macro level view of what's happening in our lives, the lives of others, and how that fits in God's will. And so this is my belief and I want you to take it to the Lord in prayer and I'm going to give you some thoughts in scripture just to marinate on. The first thing I want to say is this and it's not in scripture. Making the wrong choice or wrong decision may cause emotional pain or frustration but realizing that it was the wrong choice is still a step in the right direction.

I hope I said that properly. Sometimes we are so committed to only making the next right move that we miss out on the reality that knowing that we made the wrong move gets us closer to the next right move. I say that to say that the Lord being with us and doing this thing called life with us means that he's going to lead us and guide us in every situation, that sometimes we take a step and we consult his presence. It's best like you're doing that you consult his presence and then take a step. But then there are moments where you're not sure.

You're not sure. And there's something to be said about when I'm not sure. I don't do anything at all. And there's also something to be said about, I don't know. It could be, it couldn't be. I'm going to see, I'm going to take one step and I'm going to see if God's in it. I'm going to see if God blesses it. And so the world is crazy.

It is uncertain. The rules are changing. The rules to success, the rules to impact, the rules to, career advancement, it's just different. They don't apply anymore. And so trying to determine how do I move with intentionality, how do I move with positive outcomes in mind in a world where nothing is guaranteed and nothing feels stable can be paralyzing. We have to get to a place where we're willing to take chances and not take off running, right, but to take chances and say, okay, God, please reveal yourself to me. Please reveal this environment. Is it meant to produce what you've

placed inside of me? Is it harmful to or distracting? And by distracting, I mean literally distracting, taking away from where you are calling me to be. And the scriptures, that I wanted to give you one. I look at when God was dwelling with his creation, even with Cain and Abel. And Cain, there was nothing taught about sacrifice, at least not in Scripture. And yet Cain somehow, some way, gives the Lord a sacrifice and offering that is pleasing and respected by God. Abel gives God. Abel gives God an offering that was pleasing and acceptable. Lord respected his offering, but Kane didn't. And I understand, and I've preached about this before, like, I get why Kane was angry, because it's like, I gave you what I thought, I did what I thought was

the right thing, and it wasn't what you wanted. And the Lord's response to him is so good. The Lord isn't like, well, how could you bring me the wrong thing? He doesn't penalize him for what he doesn't know. Instead, he tells him, don't be angry because you made the wrong step. Don't be angry. Don't allow your countenance to fall just because this isn't what I had in mind. If you do well, will you not be accepted? If you learn from this and you apply it, your offering will be accepted as well. But if you don't, if you don't try again, sin lies at the door and its desire is for you, but you can rule over it. Why is that so powerful to me? It's because it lets me know that God isn't expecting for us to make his choice in every choice.

He is expecting us to receive his feedback when we make choices and to allow his feedback to change the way we show up next time. And so I don't know if that answers your question. I think that you can pray and you should continue to seek the Lord. But when you talk about hearing God's voice, okay, I'm going to give you one more example. In Genesis 12, and I preached about this with Abram, he gets out of his father's house. He moves by faith. He got the job. right. He set up the family. The doors open. He blessed it. He built an altar. Then a famine

hits the land. Oh, my goodness. This feels very familiar. Then it's like, okay, I did what you told me to do. The environment that I've done it in now feels unstable and destabilizing. He takes matters into his own hands and he goes to Egypt. He's like, I'm going to go to Egypt. And oh, this is so good. Okay, because as I'm talking to you, I'm just like, I'm going to go to Egypt because that'll help me take care of myself. I believe that if your next step requires you to live unrighteously, if your next step requires you to shrink in the area of your integrity, that is never a step that God would want you to take. If you are able to hang on to your integrity, your righteousness, your ethics, your morality, your faith in God and your desire to obey what God's

says, not just in what God tells you to do, but who God calls you to be. If that opportunity puts that in jeopardy, it's not the opportunity for you. If it doesn't do that and you still don't know, you may have to be in a situation where you're like, okay, God, all I want more than anything is to be connected to you. All I want more than anything is to follow your voice and your leading and all that I do. And I'm not sure if this is it and that scares me because I don't want to be out of your will. God is looking at your heart and God will lead you even as you take that next step. But I'm not sure that it is meant for us to, I don't think it is as important for us to wait as it is for us to listen. That doesn't mean don't wait at all. Just because I get sound bite it, sound bit. That doesn't mean don't wait at all.

But also know that there are going to be some seasons where you learned God's will because you, you weren't in it. I hope God causes all things to work together. I feel like that's something worth marinating on. Take this to the Lord in prayer. Test it. When you talk about how to hear God's voice, I was in a very similar situation when we moved to Dallas where I didn't know we were supposed to.

All I know is that God told me to move to Dallas. I didn't know if God wanted me to be the co-senior pastor of the Potter's house. And for two years, I'm like, God give me a sign. God give me a sign, God give me a sign. And God never called me to move away from it. God never called me to move away from it. And then there were these moments underneath my own wrestling and fear and anxiety and

insecurity where it was undeniably clear that I was called to it. And so sometimes we can't hear God's voice because our fear is in the way, our anxiety is in the way, our reluctance is in the way. our reluctance is in the way, right? Because for me, there was an element of reluctance. And so for me, that then goes back to Second Chronicles when Solomon is dedicating the temple. And ultimately, he says, he tells the Lord, you know, or the Lord responds to him and says, if my people who are called my by name will humble themselves and pray.

So there is a certain level of humility connected to, okay, like, I got to admit these are my fears. These are my concerns. These are my misgivings. But I'm going to lay all of those down and say, nevertheless, not my will, but your will be done. And then I'm going to hear from God. And from that place of humility, there may be an answer there. When I laid down my fears, my anxieties about my next, I could feel the spirit of God pulling me, leading me, guiding me, saying the next expression of who I am, because that's all the job is. That's all the ministry is. Any next step, is not necessarily about the outcome you have in mind as much as it is, is does this next step further reveal an expression of God that I am unfamiliar with?

Because the journey is to draw closer to him and to all that we do. And I don't know how that next job can reveal more about who God is, but the Holy Spirit draws us closer to what will lead us to deeper revelation of who God is. And so that's it. That's all I got for you. As promised, I would like to share with you a brief word from my nine-year-old Ella Roberts. Hey, Ella. Hi, Mommy.

Get a little closer so we can hear you on the microphone. Hey, baby. Hi. Okay, so part of what, I forget how this came about. I think that there was, oh, I was in my office setting up for a podcast and she was in the microphone and she was just talking and sharing. I think you were pretending to So I was pretending to interview I was pretending to interview

Bray Brown and said I needed to share something from conference and stuff and then I pretended to be my mom and then I pretended to be Dr. Anita. So she was just having a good Holy Ghost time and I told her I was like you should really because she said some things in there

that were actually pretty enlightening and so Ella's going to take a minute and she's going to talk about something that she's learning her devotional that she hopes is helpful for you. Okay. So I have a few, I have a few devotionals, but the main one I use is on the Bible app,

and it's called Love is God's link. Love is God's language. And it's really mature, but I think it's just the amount of mature for me to know and for me to understand. So, and I learned that, Hold on. I learned that, like, a lot of people grow up hearing how angry God was with creation. And, yes, he could be angry. Well, not angry. He loves everyone, but he could be disappointed in what you're doing.

So, and so he, so he, so she's just telling her story. And she said, like, this is what she imagined. The father, like, figure was. And so, like, and her father, like, her parents were divorced and she moved in with her stepfather. But her father wasn't like that. So she decided to give God, like, another chance and stuff and started talking to him. And it's actually a great devotional. I like it. So, yeah, that's a few things I learned. I love that. So leaning into the reality that God is loving and there are consequences, but the consequences isn't anger. Yeah, it's just him being disappointed. Like the saying, like, I'm not mad. I'm disappointed. Have you heard that before? No, but it's like a signature dad move. Oh, okay. Well, you know, one of the things that and I always talk

about is that, like, technically God can't be disappointed because disappointed suggests that there was something that took place that God didn't know about, and because he didn't know that that was possible, he was disappointed, but God can feel remorse. And I think he feels remorse because he's sorry that we didn't live up to ourselves, or we're sorry that we don't realize how much he loves us, and that's why we're acting out the way that we do. And so I think that's beautiful.

Can you share one thing that God did today, just one of the things, one of the ways that God showed his love for you today? He showed his love for probably many people today by waking them up and letting them have maybe a good day or a bad day and giving them control of their feelings. What about something for you though? Like what's... Okay, so for me, he let me have a yummy breakfast and let me have a good field trip. I had a great field trip and like, well, it was boring, but I learned a lot of stuff. Period. So slay. Thank you all for listening to this moment brought to you by Ella.

I want to pray for them. Oh, let's pray, baby. Okay. Excuse me. Oh, I need to get, okay. You can take a seat in that chair right over there. Hello, guys. Thank you. Oh, hello, guys. I want to pray for you. So can you please? Don't mess with a court, please. Okay, go here. So, I can't see you, but please bow your heads. I'm not going to get in trouble if you don't, though. Okay, dear Lord, thank you for gathering all these beautiful women. Like a great time and listening to this and hear a great message from my mom and me and whoever else. I don't know any in her business like that.

But, Lord, please bless all of the people who did something good today. let them have like a good, like a good day, other days, and just let them have a smile on their face, nothing that God loves them, and God loves you too. So don't be afraid if you do something wrong. Going to heaven is not about doing a bunch of right things in the UK, and you get like, it's like bonus points, but it's about faith. So, no, thank you for hearing this message.

Bye. Well, I hope that that blessed you as much as it blessed me. Like I said, I'm so excited about this week's episode. I really feel like you all are going to enjoy Brittany Noel as much as I did, okay? Before we get into it, I just want to say, it's fall, y'all. It's fall, y'all. Are you a pumpkin-spice latte girly? Are you down with the apple cider?

Kev on stage and the pumpkin pie thing, we got to let it. to bring some resolve to that. I'm going to try pumpkin pie this year. That's going to be my commitment to you all, but I just want you all to know that it is fall. And I hope that you take the time to get outside and experiencing the changing of the seasons and the beauty that exists when a season changes and that it reminds you that there can be beauty even in the midst of change and transition. I am so excited about this conversation because everything thing that I feel like I have seen from Brittany speaks to the reality that seasons change and not only do seasons change, but it requires us to reassess who we are from season to season and whether or not

we're living in our authenticity and integrity. And I feel like this is a conversation that calls us to deeper levels of intimacy with ourselves and with God. And so I pray that there is something that is spoken today that awakens something in you that allows you to pray differently, to show up in the world with more confidence. And by confidence, I mean, that may require courage and vulnerability. So I hope you all enjoy this conversation as much as I do. Let's jump into it. I have been stalking you for the last few weeks now in preparation of our conversation. And I feel like one of the things that makes your advice so easy to apply is that you feel like you're a warm hug when you're speaking. Like I love the way that people are able to share their most vulnerable, most concerning issues and situations and experiences.

And you envelop them with love while also leading them to truth. So I just want to thank you so much for creating spaces where women can bring the fullness of who they are in their power and in their struggles and leading them into places of brighter light and truth. You're just so necessary. So thank you. Thank you. And I'm glad that you feel that way because that's kind of what I want people to feel when they come to any of my shows, whether it's hard talks or they hear me speaking online. I think that truth is easier to be embraced when you feel like it's coming from someone who's not judging you. We're all on a level playing field.

And so it's easier for them to digest, for sure. Have you always been this way? Like, were you spoken to this way? And then you're just like multiplying what you receive? Okay, please tell me. Tell me about it. Tell me about it. Absolutely not.

I always tell people, I was raised, always say I was raised by Amazon's. Because in my family, there is mostly women who are the matriarchs. And all of them were single mothers living in survival mode. So it was barking orders every morning. get up, go to school, put on your clothes.

And so I always say that in my healing journey, I had to learn how to find my own mothering voice and how to find my own nurturing voice and how to speak to myself when I was in the middle of a crisis or in the middle of a breakdown because the harsh talk, the judgmental self-talk, it only gets you so far before it becomes detrimental. And so that voice that I give to other people, I had to learn to be that voice for myself. and then echo it out as I was working with my audience. I'm curious. I want to dig into that a little bit because there are so many women who reach out to me and they're like, I want to learn to lean into my femininity.

I want to learn to be more soft. And yet we have these strong women tropes that often keep us bound. And so I'm wondering how much of that is leaning into femininity versus just giving yourself a break and coming to yourself from a place of rest and love. like are we needing to be more feminine or are we needing to just be more loving? Yeah. And I think that that's one of the misconceptions about femininity. People think femininity is soft. And it's really not, right?

I always compare femininity to mother nature, right? And we can see mother nature as calm as a river or you can see mother nature as reckless as a hurricane, right? And both of them are powerful in their own ways. And I always say femininity is not necessarily softness. Because with femininity, you see boundaries, you see protection, you see rigidness in some ways. But the expression of femininity is learning how to be present, right? And I had to learn from being someone who's naturally intellectual. I like to stay up here.

Up here is my safe zone, right? I had to learn how to switch from being all head into heart. And when I was able to access my own heart and sit with my emotions without running from them or medicating them, that's where the femininity started to show up because I learned, okay, I can feel all of these emotions without beating myself up for them, that I can be all of these different things

without judging myself for them. And so the compassion that I give to other people is compassion that I've learned to exercise on myself. And that's where you see what people call the feminine expression. But it's really learning how to sit with yourself, how to be with yourself, how to be present without bringing in the shame or disappointment that we feel from other parts of our lives.

Oh, that's so good. I can tell you that part of the reason why I couldn't sit with my heart, I couldn't live in one of the videos I saw, you were talking to a woman and she was speaking about just being on her own and she was ready to have companionship. And you said there's a difference between being on your own and being with yourself. And I feel like that's what you're talking about.

But I feel like part of what I was conditioned to believe, whether it was through religion or through the cultural dynamics of what it meant to be raised in my household and in my community is nobody cares how you feel. And when you hear over and over again that nobody cares how you feel, you stop caring how you feel. And you start living from that place of in my head, in my head, in my head, but never in my heart. Can you tell me what permission are we going to have to give ourselves to care about how we feel? Even if we are like, well, how I feel doesn't matter because it's not going to change anything, right? So I acknowledge it.

why is it important to care about how we feel? Because if you don't care about how you feel your life becomes one big performance, right? And for me, I got tired of performing. Like, I would find myself in places where inside, I'm like, Brittany, you don't, this isn't even, like, this is what you're giving this people. Like, that's not even real. Like, you're giving them the happy, go lucky, and everything's fine. But really, you're not okay and you're angry or you don't like them. And you need to acknowledge that.

Right. And so I would walk around wearing this mask and performing whatever I thought people wanted me to be. And I will honestly say underperforming for everything that I wanted for myself. And so living up to whatever everybody else felt comfortable with Britney being and internally knowing like you don't even want this. Right. And so the first permission that I had to give myself was you're allowed to upset some people. you're allowed to disappoint people, you're allowed to not be people's cup of tea and sit with the consequences of being my full self-meant that maybe some people won't like you and maybe some people won't want to be with you and maybe it means these relationships may end or they may change.

And sitting with, okay, do I choose the relationships that I perform in or do I choose my authentic self that feels lighter, that feels more aligned? And honestly, I sleep better at night when I know I'm just being me versus what other people want. So the first permission is always being bold enough

and I say courageous enough to say I'm going to allow myself to endure the consequences of what being me comes with. That was like, I was, I'm glad you brought that full circle because you was going to have to sit with that with me for a minute

because why would you sit up here and tell us we're going to have to live with the consequences of being ourselves? Everyone wants to be themselves. themselves, but like as long as everyone still likes me. And I can't be myself and expect for everyone to still like me. And that is just something that I honestly feel like I am relearning over and over again. I want to stand in my truth. I want to be authentic, but I also don't want to experience rejection, criticism. Right. I don't want to be talked about. And so

that level of vulnerability and resiliency living in the same space is exhausting sometimes. it can be right and I think that and I the reason why I see the consequence because I work with a lot of people and they always say well I tried being myself and they have this to say and I'm like right congratulations you did it right right we're not choosing authenticity we're not choosing vulnerability because it gets us something right many times the people are looking for the motivation to change because they think a reward comes with it but sometimes your motivational change comes with no rewards sacrifice And so it's realizing that the reward is not that you get people or things outside of you. Many times the reward is I got myself out of this. And that's where you learn myself is enough. If I lost all of my friends, I feel better just being me than having people around me who love me for things that I'm not really authentically. Right. And so I'm always telling people we're going to choose ourselves, but we are choosing ourselves under the understanding that choosing me,

comes with consequences. And it comes with rewards, right? But we're not going to act like the consequences aren't there. And so preparing them for that reality so that it's not like a cold water being thrown on you when you realize, oh, dang, like, you meant all my friends. Yeah, all your friends. Yeah.

Right. So I think that that's a healthy reality for a lot of people to embrace so that they have a better understanding of what healing and growth actually looks like. It's a messy business. I told me all the time, healing is messy. And if you thought it was going to be this cute little packaged up thing, it's not. Okay, so I have to ask you a question that I hope that I can put into words properly.

When we talk about authenticity, some of us are being authentic to the way things are in our families, authentic to what has become that norm and that standard. What do you do when you begin to sense that what is true for you has not shown up in any of your other circles, your history, your bloodline. I'm thinking about even your transition into being able to lean into your heart and head. What do we do when authenticity looks different from, you know, our families and how do we introduce that authenticity into relationships that aren't as easy to just walk away from? The truth is that your only responsibility is to embrace whatever your new reality is and live in that

and walk in that, right? I think that most of us, because I tried to do it too, okay? I learn and I grow and I get better, and I go back home, and I say, hey, you guys, let me teach you this bonding exercise. Hey, this is how we talk to each other now. Hey, this is, and so I'm trying to teach the things that I've learned, and they're like, and you don't get out my face with that, right? And it was, it was, oh, so you don't go into college and you got your degree.

And now you think you know everything. Right? And so it's not always welcome, right? And it's not to say that their initial reaction and quite frankly their initial rejection of you. It's not that their rejection of you is because they don't love you or because they don't care. Many times your own healing and growth and transformation can trigger parts of them that they're not ready to confront. Right. And so I say that to say you have to recognize that only you were the part of the equation that went and learned something different.

they have a right to still be who they are. They have a right to still live. They didn't sign up for transformation the way you did, right? And so I think that it's learning how to balance living in my new reality without trying to change those around me. And as I am being the demonstration of what's possible, some of them will look back at you and say, hey, maybe I can try that. Maybe that's something I want to do. Like maybe, you know, because I have cousins and siblings who looked at me and said, okay, Brittany's on this. let me try that with her, right?

And there are many who said, absolutely not. So they get to choose. And I think embracing your new reality means loving them for where they are and realizing that they don't lack any less value than you, simply because they didn't come on your track. And I can have a different type of relationship with them. It won't be the same. But it'll be a different type of relationship where we can still have a sense of safety

and a sense of closeness without additional damage happening. in some situations. That's such a humility in your approach to navigating that. I'm curious, there's like 18,000 things I want to ask you. I am curious, as we are looking at the state of the world right now, particularly in the U.S., and we know we have listeners from all over the world, I'm thinking specifically about our core audience, which are black women, who have experienced a lot of transition in the economy and the workforce.

And I feel like there is a need for us to acknowledge that this is happening to them and to acknowledge the fear and trepidation, the anger, the frustration, the despair that can be connected with life changes and transition. What is your sentiment right now for those who feel marginalized in the wake of many of the changes we're experiencing? I would say more than anything, we're being placed in a couple of different boxes, right? And I think even amongst my own community, I've been sensing this piece of hopelessness, right? So then like life is just happening and we have no power, we have no control, and we're just kind of at the whim of whatever life throws our way at this point, right? And what I always tell them is as they are, whenever we're in the middle of a transition, we have to watch what we're hoping for, right? Because in the middle of life transitions, as I've been through more than my fair share of life transitions, I always say it feels like you're in a hurricane and things are just moving, right?

And if I'm in the middle of a hurricane or tornado and it's pulling up everything and everything's moving and everything's shifting. it's very easy for us to lose the things that we love, lose the things that we had had, that we made plans about. I was going to retire here. I was going to build a business here. I was going to have a family here. And those hopes can get swept up in the tornado and thrown about, right? And so because we placed our hope in a thing or a person or a job or business,

should those things leave us in any way or any capacity, our hope leaves with it. And so I tell them we have to watch and I always say I have to reframe my hope. Many times my hopes were in building successful business or having a certain relationship or being at a certain place at this time in my life. Right. And then realizing that that hope wasn't going to happen and the devastation that comes with that. And I had to learn that I had to reframe my hope because was my hope really to have a certain lifestyle or was my hope to be happy? Was my hope really to build a successful business Or was my hope really to be content in my life? Right?

And so when I reframe what I'm hoping for, I realize there's more than one way for me to get that. I would have liked for it to come through this business. I would have liked for it to happen when I was 20. I would have liked for it to happen when I was 30. But it doesn't mean that now that I'm this certain age, that it can't still happen. So I always say, what are we hoping for?

So in the middle of all this transition, are we clear about the fact that, one, we have to attach our hopes to things that are not necessarily material, but there are things that I can actually attain and have access to. You have access to happiness any day of the week. You have access to joy any day of the week.

Does it have to come to this relationship? Not necessarily, right? So it's really asking yourselves, what are we hoping for? And do I need to reframe the things that I'm hoping for. And I think that that's when my prayer life changed because I stopped praying for specific outcomes and specific things. And I was like, God, I just really want to experience joy right now. I want adventure right now. I want friendship right now. And so as I got clear about what my heart

needed, what my heart needed for safety and happiness and joy, then I was able to focus less on the things happening around me because I was centered inside. So no matter what was happening outside of me, everything's spinning, everything's moving, I was grounded here. That's so good because what I hear you saying is I had to learn to take care of myself by listening to myself and then seeing what is available that could meet that need. And I think it's so important, especially for the work you do where you, I can imagine, that you are receiving so many different stories, so many different types of emotion.

emotions coming your way. And I think by nature, many women find themselves in that role, whether it's professionally or just because they're the strong friend or they're the center of their families and their communities. What does self-care look like for you? For me? Adventure, right? I'm big on going to new places.

I've got some things coming up soon. Being around people that I love and I care about, right? And I think the freedom for me, I was even saying my revolution was of most of the people that I consider my family or my chosen family at this point. So I have people in my life who bring me joy and we can talk on the phone or we can go somewhere. We hang out to go eat. So I'm really big on leaning on my community, building a community. And that's what a lot of my self-care comes from. I'm also big on solitude, right?

So I'll have times where I'm like, all right, y'all, I'm going to disconnect for a few. days, you know, and my friend I always say, if I don't get a meme for Brittany, I know something's wrong. So even if we don't talk on the phone, she's going to get a meme, okay? But for me, it's knowing when it's time for me to disconnect and when I need the time to go sit with myself and feel and to think and journal and get some things out and also having a healthy balance between solitude and community, knowing that I need both of those in order for me to thrive. Oh, that's so good. The balance part of it because I usually opt for solitude. I'm just like everyone can leave me alone. But then when I do have those moments of community, I'm reminded of the hope and the love and the joy that can come

from connection. So that balance is so critical. I'm curious, how did you go from, okay, I'm doing this work. I found my own heart center. I'm living from that space and balancing the duality of head and heart to show up in the world too. I'm going to share this with other people. Like did, Was it the overflow of who you were? And then you said, okay, now I can establish something. How did that happen? You know, I didn't plan it. I did not plan it that way.

I think it was a constant learning process of learning myself, learning what I liked, learning what filled me. Because when I first went to school, my biggest goal was I wanted to graduate and I was going to work at this certain company. And I was going to retire from this company. This is my plan this out. I was like, I'm getting paid, get it going here.

And I'm so on climbed the ladder here. And I was on that trajectory. I was getting promoted. I was in management. I started my own practice in 2017, like in the afternoons, on the weekends. And it just kept escalating from there. So over time, I realized, okay, you don't like individuals. Well, let's switch the groups.

So I switched the groups and I was like, I really like the group setting. Okay, cool. So we started hosting the groups. And then after that, it went into speaking because now I'm holding my own events. And so I'm creating my own events. People are coming. I'm like, okay, great. And then we started recording.

And so it was a natural progression, one that I could have never planned for. And I think that for me, it was always responding to the opportunity sitting before me. And what I love, one of the things I love about myself is I'm courageous enough to say yes, even when I'm not sure what this needs, right? So every time I said yes to, sure, we'll start recording. Sure, we'll start live streaming. It was opening me up to bigger audiences, bigger stages, and continuing to say yes, even though it meant it was going to get real stressful.

It was going to be a lot, but always saying yes, because I always say there's nothing else I know, I know that my voice is one of my giftings. So it's like if I ever get lost in life, I always go back to you, well, if I know nothing else, speaking is what you're supposed to do. You may be confused about everything else, but as long as you're speaking, you're on the right path. And so I always just followed, I always see that's my North Star. I always just follow up my North Star, right? And as I continue to say, the opportunities just opened up. Now, I will say, it didn't mean that I didn't have other things I was trying to build. Okay, okay.

And every single last one of those felt, okay? And so I say this to say that many times we will have our own plan, right, of how we think. And I always say, because I came from a lot of survival, having planned A, B, C, D, and E was me, okay? You were not going to catch me. I'm prepared. So even though I was building my speaking and my therapy practice, I always had these other things because I'm very gifted. And so I would have these other things I'm a part of and these other things

that I love doing. And all of those fail, right? And so when I finally went full time on just my practice, just speaking, and gave that my soul attention, everything's got rocketed from there. Right. And so in that time frame, it was me losing a lot and then gaining a lot all in the same place. And so I tell people that sometimes we can be so distracted by the devastation of what we're losing, that there's something growing in the midst. And we have to put our energy into that because it's pointing me into what's next. And I was literally going to ask you,

like, how do you know what's just like resistance that I need to overcome versus like, girl, you need to hang this up and work what's working? Resistance means that I think of it like working out. I know you do your workout videos, okay? You're so inspiring to me. Because when I go to the gym and I'm doing, on ways. I do a lot of weight lifting. Resistance is when I'm doing a squat and I'm coming up

and I feel the heaviness of the weight, but I can put everything I have into it and eventually I'll get that weight up. That's what resistance feels like. When something isn't for me, no matter what I do, through hell and hot water, everything I tried, no matter how hard you work, no matter how much money you invested, everything failed, that is a door that is closed, right? And I think that we have have to embrace that, embrace doors closing, and even embrace things that aren't for us. And I'm big on, it may not be for me right now, but I know right now, today I can't touch that. And I have to move on to something else versus being so pig-headed on it has to go this way, right?

And I think that that's one of the defining factors of being in our femininity, right? I would say femininity is a flowing energy. It doesn't move in restricted spaces. It's not a restricted energy. It's very much it's a flowing energy. So I'm big on a flow in the direction that feels right and the direction that feels good. And the minute that I see that resistance

and I see like, those ain't opening. We're going to keep going with what we had planned. Like, it's okay to change directions. It's okay to decide I don't want something anymore. It's okay to change my mind about what I want. and allowing myself to constantly redefine myself and my vision and how I'm growing without feeling like I have to be committed to anything. You're allowed to be something different.

Okay, that's what I want to lean into that a little bit. I want to know how can women recognize when it's time for them to let go of what no longer serves them? What are some of the symptoms of it being time for you to release? First and foremost is safety, right? Does this threaten my safety? And when I say safety, I mean physical safety, mental safety, emotional safety, and many times spiritual safety, right? Something being uncomfortable, meaning this is something that doesn't feel good or it's something

that I don't like or it's something that's difficult. That's one thing, right? But threatening my safety is when I'm not eating, I'm not sleeping, it's preoccupying my day and my time, I'm not affected in other areas of my life because of this thing. that now becomes a threat to my well-be, right? And I think that as a society, we have to have a clear definition for when something is unsafe

versus when something is uncomfortable, right? You can be in something uncomfortable because most things are uncomfortable, right? But something that is unsafe, there are, we call it when it's working towards my detriment, when I'm no longer functioning in a healthy way, where I'm having to take pills to be able to function,

when I'm having to substitute or medicate in order for me to function. Well, now we're in the unhealthy zone, right? And that has to be addressed. So first and foremost, you'll know that it's time to you to examine leaving something or we're disconnecting from something when your safety is being right. Number one. Outside of that is alignment. The thing that I'm trying to save or the thing that I'm trying to stay connected to,

are we truly moving in the same direction? you will know that you're aligned with something when you look at the value system of that thing, right? Do we value the same things, right? And we'll say, oh, well, we want the same things. Right, but do you value the same things because it's two different things? And I always say, I will know what you value

by what you do every day. So if you value family, but you never spend time with family, I don't know if that value system goes together. Right? If you value honesty and I don't caught you in three lies, I don't know.

It's not. I don't know. Right? You know, so if you value integrity, integrity is one of my big values. So I'm like, if you value integrity, but you don't keep your word, right? Right. That lets me know that our values may not be in alignment. And this is why I see where most of us will make excuses for people placing things in our lives.

We will see that our values are not in alignment. And then we'll make excuses for why they're not in alignment versus accepting that they're not in alignment. Wow. The trend doesn't matter why we're not, you know, in alignment. I just have to accept what the truth is. That's so good. Okay, so what you said reminded me of another one of the conversations that I saw, and you were actually talking to a man,

and you were saying there's usually at least one man who asked a question in your sessions. And in his question, you were speaking more to his inner voice and how he speaks to himself. I am curious with your heart talks, how necessary do you think it is for men to begin? and having spaces where they're allowed to bring their heart and not just their minds, athleticism, provision, highlight reels. And I want to ask, who do we have to be as women to make space for their hearts?

That's a wonderful question. I think our New York show was our last show on the tour and we had the men showed up in New York. Okay. They came with spouses, girlfriends, and by themselves. New York did a really good job. And a lot of men follow me, and they'll send me DMs. And I'm like, hey, I know I don't comment, but I wanted to let you know that this meant a lot to me.

And if you watch when I answer questions, even if it's a woman who asks me the question, I'll answer it in a way that it applies to anyone, not just women. And I do that because for four and a half years, I worked only with men. So I worked with men who were struggling with PTSD and they had served in combat. And I did that for four and a half years. So I always have a heart to work with men and servicemen because I got to see behind the scenes of what's happening in their minds and in their hearts. They may show the strong exterior, but I know what's going on behind that mask, right? And so with heart talks, what I love is that one, I always invite men.

Men are always invited to my events because they need it, right? And many of the men come because they're looking for a safe place where they can get the same information without it being tailored solely for women and they can feel safe in that environment. And for me, I've learned that allowing men into that space for women means, number one, and I tell them this all the time. In our Atlanta show, I asked for a man to ask the question, And before that young man stood up, a woman is in the crowd and she's pointing to another man.

He can ask, he can ask. And I said, ma'am, stop. I said, this is a part of the problem. This is a voluntary process. And you don't get to rush somebody else's process because you think they need it. Right. And so many times with women, because we do lead in the mental health space, sometimes we're pushing them into it at times when they're not ready, at times when they're uninformed.

and most times weaponizing it because how many times have we heard you need therapy and not as a tool to help but you're using it as a tool to shame and embarrass right so many times they'll have resistance towards coming to therapy

because it means that if they come they're admitting that they're a defect or there's something wrong right and so we have to first of all create a space where therapy is no longer this thing where they're coming because they're broken but you're coming because I believe in your potential. You're coming because I want to see you flourish.

You're coming because I believe in who you can be. And this is a tool to help you become those things, not something that you're coming to fix yourself because you're wrong and inadequate, right? And so I think reframing what therapy is for them is a big deal, but also giving them space, right? I think there was a guy who asked a question at one of our shows and he took a very long time to get to his answer,

his actual question. And I allowed it to happen. And when he finished talking, I told the crowd, I said, now most women would have cut him off by now. Y'all would have let him get 30 seconds in and would have jumped straight to the question because we're processors. We do it very quickly.

Language is something that we're familiar with. And I told them with men, they need time. They will get to the question. But they may take the long way around because they're feeling and they're trying to find the words for something that we know better than them, right? So I think being patient with them and also holding them accountable, right, and holding them accountable in a way that's not motherly, but it's still supportive.

That's a balance that I think women have to learn. And I think that they are learning it the same way men are learning how to come to the mic and be present and be seen. I think women are also learning different ways to support the men that they love into their own processes. How do you feel like gender norms are going to shift? Like as we lean into these dynamics, the idea of what it means to be a man and what it means to be a woman. I think about even the way that academia and the economy are allowing women to have in many industries more opportunities for advancement than their male counterparts. And so many of them are the breadwinners, but they still want to lean into their femininity.

They don't want to be fully in their, I'm not sure how I feel about the feminine versus masculine because I think that there's some normatives connected to that. But who, I mean, I just feel like everything's going to become a little bit more fluid as people are changing and evolving. I think it should become fluid, right? I think that one of the things that I always do, especially when I work with couples, is break down definitions. And how do you define the man's role versus the woman's role? And how do you define provider and protector? And how do you define the nurturer? Like, what are the definitions?

because the truth is that there are no behaviors that are men or women or masculine and feminine. They're just behavior. Watching the dishes is just behavior. That's not a man thing or woman thing, right? But I urge couples, even in all relationships, you have to find what works for you.

Yeah. And one of the reasons why people struggle with this in relationships is because many of us go into relationships still unaware of who we are. We are unaware of our strengths and our weaknesses and what lights is up and what shuts us down, what are our green lights, what are our red lights. And so you're going into relationships

and we're just winging it and we're figuring it out. And the gender norms helps me and gives me a definition of what to shoot for, right? But it's not anything that's written in stone. If you don't find what works for you and your person, you will struggle, right? I always tell people there is no relationship book that's going to tell you how to make your relationship work. They'll give you tools, they'll give you skills.

But they may or may not work for what you got. So a part of being successful in relationship, I have to first know who am I bringing into this relationship so that then I can get to know my person and understand my person better. And then we put everything we got on the table and say, now what we got, how are we going to make this work? Okay, you're actually better at cleaning than I am. I prefer cooking. Let's just split it that way, right? And this is where the partnership starts to form. And unfortunately, that doesn't happen overnight. It takes time to work that out. But I think if we went in less, if we went in more curious about how to make this work, I think we would find more understanding. We would find more flexibility and less judgment in our relationship with our partners. Because we're just figuring out, curiosity means we're trying to figure this out together. So if we're curious about one another and how we can make this relationship and partnership work, I think it would be less of a culture shock when people, when we find the differences and the quirks and things that make us different, we can work around them. That makes me want to, okay, because our time is almost seven, and I have like 18 things I need to ask you.

So hope for single women right now. Yes. Well, you know. in 2025. It's curious. I think it's interesting because on one hand you have something happening

in the world that is very dark. I think a lot of the podcast culture is very dark. It's unhealthy for dating period. There's a lot of opinions in the world that are very harmful for both men and women. And so on one hand, you have the darkness, but if dark exists, so does life, right? Because we're also living in a world where men have access to more resources where we do have more men who are models and demonstrate

what healthy masculinity looks like, and they're becoming more vocal about what that looks like, right? So on both sides, you have some amazing things happening for both men and women. I love that more men are embracing therapy, that they are actually prioritizing, dealing with past traumas and childhood issues before entering into relationships, which is a great thing, right? I think as women, I always say there is no, there's no formula. There is no, there's no one who can give you an answer. If you do X, Y, and Z, this will get you a person and this will get you married. There is no one answer.

But what I can tell women is that if you say you're waiting on your mate, examine how you're waiting. What is the posture of my waiting? Because what I have seen is that there are many women who are so anxious in the waiting that they become miserable, right? That your life is now less fulfilled because from sun up to sundown, it's what can I do to get this man, right? And it's like at some point you stop living, you stop it and being adventurous, you stop going out.

And I always say there is, I don't believe that there is a substitute, a direct substitute for a romantic connection. But I do think that you can live a life that is fulfilled in a way that you're not as hungry for the romantic connection. That you know it's something that you would like. You know, if I'm out to dinner and they say, Brittany, would you like a piece of cake? And I'm like, absolutely, right? But if I'm full and I'm like, I mean, I can go for it, but I probably don't, you know, they can take it or leave it, right? That puts me in a position of power to where I don't feel so hungry for the connection that I'm willing to take it by any means necessary, right? And I always tell women that when you date, first of all, first and foremost, you've got to get better at your elimination process because if you can sort of,

through and eliminate faster, you take on less damage by entertaining relationships that aren't it. Right. So many of the people who experience dating fatigue or have a lot of bad experiences, it's because you're not eliminating quick enough. Right. And this, you can eliminate faster when you're not hungry. Yeah. So the goal is to create a life that is full. Have friends. Do travel, you know, do things that light up your heart. Always examine. where your heart posture is. Like, it's a hard fool. Or am I accepting this date because I'm just needing something, right?

Always examine your motives. But is there a right or wrong or yes or no, if you're going to find a person, the truth is no one knows? And I think that if we embrace that no one knows and just set in that uncomfortable, because when I say that to clients, oh, they get anxious, okay? Like, what do you mean? What do you mean? I'm like, because that's the truth.

We don't know. And if you set in that and felt how uncomfortable it feels and felt how scary that feels and you face the fear of what if it never happens, you come out on the other side of that more empowered, not hopeless, but it's, hey, if it happens, that would be a great thing and I would welcome that. And if it doesn't happen, it's not going to break me and I'll still have a good life. That's when you're in a seat of power to live your life as fulfilled and as powerful as you want to be. versus being scared and defeated about what could or couldn't happen. Okay, my last question for you is this.

So many women, as you mentioned, on a journey of healing, of health, of breaking the way, breaking things that have been done, breaking the way things have been done in their family, cultures, community. But it also feels like the work is just never ending. Like, am I ever just going to be healed? When do I go from a place of doing the work to free, and no longer feeling like I'm constantly uncovering different broken parts of myself.

Yes, we do live in a culture where everything, something is it has to be wrong, every second of the day. And the truth is, two things are true at the same time. Healing is a continuous process, as long as you're healing, as long as you're alive and living, there will be something that you're healing from, right? So healing technically never ends. But also, part of the healing process

is learning how to embrace joy, happiness, excitement, and learning how to curate that for my life. One of the most powerful things for me was when I learned that I could actually go live my life and stop putting everything on hold until. Yeah. So many people have this, well, when I get here, I'll do it. When I get here, I'll do it.

I remember I used to, I told a story about how I used to whenever I moved places from college into my adult years, I never really unpacked all the way. Like I would, you know, unpack the necessary stuff, but I always still have boxes of stuff in my closet. And I never really unpacked because subconsciously, there was never a place that I really felt was home. And I left my mother's home at 16.

And since then, I was always living out of boxes, right? And so it wasn't until I was in my 30s that I was like, pretty I need you. I was going to buy a couch. That's what it was. I was buying,

I needed to buy a new couch. And so as you're searching for couches, they have the really nice expensive ones, and then they have,

you know, the not so nice ones. And I was like, but I really want the nice expensive one, right? It was a nice

little sectional, but it would not fit in my current aesthetic of my current apartment because when I brought this apartment, it was a temporary

living, I was like, oh, I'm going to hear that wrong. So I was like, well, this couch doesn't match where you're living. So if you get the couch, you're going to have to upgrade the house, right?

And that sent me on a whole spiral because it really meant like, are we settling down? Like, are we actually, are we embracing home? Right? And so for me, I had to actually confront like you put off so much because you were chasing this imaginary destination of when I get here. And I realize there is no here. Yeah. You're being with yourself is here. So when you wake up every day to you, you deserve to have a nice couch, you deserve to have a nice house, you deserve to have everything that brings your heart joy.

There is no here moment. And so when we talk about the healing process, healing means embracing here. What's happening now? What's happening today? Am I living life that I'm proud of? Right? I tell people, my family hates it when I say, you know, one day I'm going to die. They're like, please stop saying that.

I'm like, well, it's true. But I want to live a life that when I do, you know, get ready to exit this world, I don't, I'm not filled with all these regrets of what didn't happen. That I'm not filled with, oh, man, I wish I wouldn't did this. I wish I would do that. I want to live a life now that makes me feel proud about who I am and how I live so that when it's time for me to go, I'm like, hey, I'm ready. Versus the, and I say this because I worked in a cancer ward. that was my first job out of college. And I worked on the End of Life Clinic.

And I saw the difference between the people who had lived a life and they were ready versus the people who had regret. And I said, I want to be ready. And that meant making a promise to myself that Brittany, nobody's coming to give you your life you're looking for. Nobody's coming to give you the joy you're looking for. This is something you have to be intentional about creating. And so that meant I had to stop putting things on the back burner and embrace today. And getting to a certain point of your healed journey means, now that I've learned all my trauma and I've learned everything that's wrong and I've learned everything that I need to fix,

okay, cool, we've done our work. Now I get to live. That's like finger snaps. I won't add anything to that. That's beautiful. I get to live. I get to live. And that is the best revenge for anybody who's ever hurt you.

That's the best remedy or medicine for anything that's ailing you. Go live. And living can be hard because it requires you to confront limiting beliefs of who you can be and what you can have and money, limitations, everything that you thought that you couldn't be. You have to confront so that you can't live. Like, no, I just think I can do that. I'm okay doing that. and people talking about.

I'm going to do it and just go do it, whatever that thing is. It's so funny. I was just sharing a few weeks ago that I was reading in Matthew 5 where Jesus gives this long sermon the beatitudes and that's where he says the thing about turning the other cheek

if someone hits you turn the other cheek and that's everybody like, oh, I'm not Jesus, you hit me, I throw hands. I'm like, I really think the intention behind that is that if you hit me, if you hurt me, I am going to live in such a way that it's as if I'm turning the other cheek for you to do it again because I'm not going to stop the way I'm showing up because I've been hit or wounded. So I feel like that just resonates so beautifully with what I've been just consuming for my own heart and healing.

Thank you so much for your time, for your work, for your scars, for your wisdom, for your joy. It is infectious and necessary and a soft place for landing for many of us who are facing harsh conditions. So thank you. Absolutely. And thank you for having me. I enjoy it. And thank you personally, because I think it's not every day that you're actually going to think the person. I've listened to many of your sermons and your talks. And there have been many days. The words that you have said have gotten me through some dark times. So thank you for being you and going through what you had to go through to be here. Wow. Thank you. Thank you. Well, I hope that this week's podcast was as meaningful to you as

it was to me, especially the conversation that I got to have with Brittany. I am so grateful for the way that she is changing the narrative of womanhood and giving us tips and tools for being able to chart our own path. I really feel like one of the things that she said that was truly so powerful. It's her prioritizing self-care through adventure, community, and solitude. Such a reminder to always allow ourselves space to be. I'm not. girls, but to experience joy and fun in our womanhood, but also recalibrating. So listen, I hope you all enjoyed this. I don't know what's happening in your world. I don't know what's going on in your heart, but one thing I know for sure is that God's with us. And as long as God is with us, we have an

opportunity to lean into strength, empower, wisdom, and discernment that is beyond us. Don't be afraid to lean into it. Don't be afraid to consult the Holy Spirit and to allow the Holy Spirit to lead you, guide you, and comfort you as God reveals what he has for you. Man, I just feel this so boldly, so strongly. And it's something that I've been sharing with the team over and over again. And I really believe that God wants us to break out of our rules. And I really sense that that's what our next stage of evolving is going to look like. a stepping out of our comfort, going rogue, and resisting and rebelling against the norms that have kept his glory and his spirit and his power from being able to flow through us and control us. So that's what I'm praying to God. Please highlight the areas where we have been restricting you, where we have been limiting your ability to show up and show out through us. open our heart to the way that you would want to see his change. Open our hearts to the ways that you want to see our being.

Be more like you, God. Thank you for my listener, my friend, my sister, my brother on the other end of this podcast. Bless them, God, in a way that is so deeply personal that they know what's you. Lead them, confirm what you're doing in their lives in a way that is unmissable. Slow their pace, slow their heart. slow their movement long enough for them to sense your presence. And from that place of stillness and sensing your presence, allow them to make the next move that draws them deeper into you,

even if it means further away from what they thought their life would look like. We trust you. We surrender. In Jesus' name, amen. Evolve.