World Of Secrets - Death in Dubai: 6. The deal

Episode Date: October 20, 2025

An undercover meeting with the pimp we’ve been investigating for two years. And a chase from Dubai to the UK to get answers. Back in Uganda, Monic’s family have been waiting for this moment. This episode includes discussion of suicide and some disturbing events. Presented by investigative journalist Runako Celina.Season 9 of World of Secrets, Death in Dubai, is a BBC Eye investigation, produced in association with Thread Studios, for the BBC World Service. Please note, the image is being used for illustrative purposes only and the person depicted in it is a model.If you feel distressed by the references in this story, please speak to a health professional, or an organisation that offers support such as Befrienders Worldwide. www.befrienders.org For UK listeners, details of organisations offering information about or support after sexual abuse, or with feelings of despair, are available at bbc.co.uk/actionline. Here’s a link to the BBC Eye documentary film, which we recommend you watch after listening to this podcast: https://bit.ly/bbcdeathindubaiIf you are in the UK, you can watch on iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/n12t256jg

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime. My husband said, your dad's been killed. This is Hands Tide, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Milgar. I was just completely in shock. Liz's father murdered. And her mother found locked in a closet, her hands and feet bound. I didn't feel real at all.

More than a decade on, she's still searching for answers. We're still fighting. Listen to Hands Tide on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A heads up before we start that this episode includes strong language, discussion of suicide, and some disturbing events. Click. Click hold for one, two, three. Just prepping gear. Make sure it all filmed together.

Marg, our undercover reporter, is getting ready to meet Abbey. The man we're told was Monica's boss in Dubai. Okay, so we've got a camera here. I've got a microphone on my leg here. Put the Omega watch for a bit of bling. Do I look like your average sex party organiser? Half an hour until we meet the source and then hopefully another half an hour before we're in with Charles.

I want Abby. Mark is posing as an events organiser for wealthy men, looking for women for parties in Dubai. Before he heads out, he calls me to run through the plan again. So we're meeting the source and then he's going to bring in the guys. he's going to bring me into Abbey. And then I'll go with him to where to Abbey's residence, I suspect. Nice.

That sounds good. Yeah. Oh, fingers crossed and keep us updated. I'm nervous, to be honest. And I'm not more nervous than you, though, I'm sure. Yeah. All right, here we go. The source he's talking about is Troy,

the guy who says he was Abby's former right-hand van. He left the network a couple of years ago, but he's still in touch with Abbey and a few of his guys. He's going to take Mark to meet one of them, then leave. I told him talking to Abbey. Okay, good. What he's doing is really risky, and after this, he's going to have to lie low.

Try. See you later, man. See you later, boss. Mark gets in a taxi with the man he's just been introduced to. They drive past shiny high-rise buildings, pavements lined with palm trees, and then pull up outside a smart townhouse. It's a nice area. This guy has no idea he's leading an undercover reporter

straight to his boss. Thanks, man. So you're taking me... They step into a room that has the windows blacked out. There's several big guys smoking Shisha. But Abbey isn't here. So Mark is taken to another villa, one block over.

Is he just getting ready? He's coming from him. Okay, cool. You know, it has a lot of place. Yeah, yeah, he has to move around, I understand. He's a busy guy. And then, a few minutes later, the man we've been investigating for two years,

Charles Muesigua, known as Abbey, walks into the room. Whoa! The man, I've heard so much about you, man. This is World of Secrets. Season 9. Death in Dubai. From the BBC World Service, I'm Renarko Selina.

Episode 6. Abbey looks relaxed, dressed in a striped shirt, and completely unsurprised to find a stranger standing in his villa. How are you doing? I'm good, yeah. Tell me, what's up? Let's go on. So I've got a series of parties coming up, like once a week, ten people. All right.

I need some entertainment. And where's the part? Like in rooms. It's in residence, private residence. All right. Can we talk somewhere private? Is it okay? Yeah.

Abby leads Mark outside onto a small patio area and then stands right next to a noisy air conditioning unit making it a bit hard to hear him on Mark's hidden mic. So it'll be next Thursday and then Thursday after that as well. So these are finance guys. All right. Can you sort me out? Like, what do we? Yeah, we've got enough girls.

We've got enough girls, he says. Abbey then takes out his phone. and start scrolling through photos of them. So you have to tell me which girls you want. What? For sure. We've got like 25,000. 25 bills now?

And fresh all the time? Okay, so 20... We've got two villas and that's where they sleep. And today, like, yeah, they'll do whatever? Mini, I'm open my own. We mean, can do pretty much everything. That's the doors, right? Yeah, yeah.

You can pretty much do anything you want, Abbey says. So we're talking like, what's the normal price? It starts from at least. At least. At least. At least. At least. At least. From like one to step forward. So the more crazy stuff they're going, if you're going to ask for that. If you missed that, Abby says the girls will be happy to take 1,000, as a starting price.

He means US dollars. And if Mark wants something like Girl Girl, a fourthum, or anal, it'll be more. So they do to buy pot-to-potty stuff as well? I've told you, they're open my... When I say open my head,

and I will send you the craziest I have. Okay. I've got some... What, no, God? And I've got some pretty nasty crazy. I've got some pretty nasty crazy. I've got some pretty nasty crazy. girls, he says. He seems to be in full sales mode, smiling a lot, revealing this distinctive

gap between his front teeth. He shows Mark more pictures of girls. She wants a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, do you know how this way. Should I take your number? I give you a call about this. Hey, hang on. What are you from? I'm West London. What's the moon? I was a bus driver in the UK. No. Yeah. Yeah. Where? In this. In East London? Yeah, I was a bus driver for 10 years.

He then pulls out his UK driving licence and tells Mark he started working in Dubai around the time of the London Olympics. So he's been here since 2012. Do you? How did you go from being a bus driver to working here? I mean, I can't say this.

I was a bus driver. I do for business. I do know about it. He buys use a bus driver. mobile phones from the UK, gets them repaired cheaply in Dubai, and then ships them to Uganda. On an early trip, he says he noticed a market for black girls in the high-end clubs. At the time, he says most African girls stayed in the poorer area of Dera. They took me some kind of market for black girls.

So it's like in place. Why did you get punishment? He's my own business. So they're like, that size is expensive. I said, okay. I get a room, they can stay in my flat. But that was like, 2016. My God, you've been here a while, man.

Is it not more stress though? It could be something that they enjoy doing. I put a little tree, a million pounds, but I'll still do it. Because I enjoy, it's like it's become part of me. It's become part of me, you know. The girls enjoy it and they make their money. They make their money. Yeah, yeah.

And I'm pretty much helping. Just make their money and then you make the money? They like to retire, to sit up for me. Because they make good money because every day is the nice. They sleep in a nice place. Mm-hmm. Yeah, so they're pretty much happy. Abby is claiming to be this benevolent figure helping the girls.

That's certainly not what I've heard. In fact, it really couldn't be further from what Kira Mia and Hope told me about how he treated them and Monica You want to start a supper night tonight? Yeah

Let me see I've got a lot of stuff to do on with this but I will Should I give you a call? Yeah yeah Dude, we'll be in touch See you later man Mark leaves the villa

and starts looking for a taxi Fucking hell How it's intense Hello Can you hear you? Hi, hi, I can hear you. I can hear you. So how did it go? What happened? I tell you, it was so weird pulling up opposite that sort of back street

that I've spent so long looking at Google Earthen. You know, we've all had. Yeah. He fills me in. But he's worried the kit might have failed. I realised at that point that the flipping camera is getting quite hot. And I'm almost like unbearable to touch. might be sure if it's flagged.

It did, meaning now we have evidence, the undercover footage you've just heard, of Abbe's supplying girls for prostitution, which is illegal in Dubai. Girls who, in his words, you can pretty much do anything you want to. Mark keeps in touch with Abby, and a few days later calls me with an update,

sending me over a screen grab. Right, let me see I'm going to try and open it on my computer as we speak Oh, he's giving you his account details It gets better When are you next in the UK If you can come up on next Thursday, we can work out Wow

So possibly there's a meet in there In the UK This could be my chance to speak to Abby to put the findings of our investigation to him. The plan we decide is that Mark will arrange a meeting with him, somewhere fairly public, so that I can then appear and try to talk to him. This is the only chance, really, to find out what he has to say for himself. After all this time of hearing what other people have to say about him,

his treatment of them, his behaviour, his operation in Dubai. So fingers crossed, actually does happen. And Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime. My husband said, your dad's been killed. This is Hands Tide, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Milgar. I was just completely in shock. Liz's father murdered. And her mother found locked in a closet.

her hands and feet bound. I didn't feel real at all. More than a decade on, she's still searching for answers. We're still fighting. Listen to Hands Tide on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm in a pub in West London, around the corner from the hotel where Mark has arranged to meet Abbey. It's about 140. We're, I guess, maybe 100 or 200 metres away from the meeting spot, waiting to see if Abbey does show. He said that he has to go to the airport first, and then he's going to come back to meet us. So who knows if he's coming, or if he's maybe sending someone else first to scope things out and see if everything's okay. The hours tick by, and there's no sign of Abbey.

But then, something does happen. I'm a cheetahe, I'm a cheetahe, visit, visa, visa, visit, visit, visit, so. I actually can't believe this. While we're here waiting to meet Abbey, Abby has sent a message to our whistleblower's throat. He used to be a second in command in his operation, apparently. saying that he needs help in getting girls who'll come to Dubai.

Abby asks Troy if he knows how to get visas for girls from Kenya because he wants to start bringing them to Dubai. He also asked Troy if he's in Kampala because he's looking for veterans. I think he means girls who've been to Dubai before, and he asked Troy if he knows any. I mean, the timing of this is just incredible, because we're just about to meet him. It's another layer of evidence about what he does and what his business is.

Abby doesn't show up to meet Mark, so questioning him will have to wait. But now that we know he's looking to get girls from Kenya, we bring in another undercover reporter, someone based in the Kenyan capital, Nairobi. I'm calling him Oscar. Hi, Oscar. This is Renarko. I'm going to forward his number to you and then... Oscar's going to pose as someone interested in sending girls to Abby. He sends Abby a voice note.

I'm Oscar and I'm from Kenya. I got a number from my friend Troy, whom we were with the last event and I was providing ladies for ushering department. And he told me he has someone whom we can link me with so that I can maybe provide for him, ladies, from his side. All right, that's very good. Literally, we bring girls here to Dubai that want to hustle, you understand, yeah. So anyone who wants to hustle in bars, in nightclubs,

but high-end ones, the real, real high-end ones of Dubai. Yeah. To summarize what we do here. Got some pinions as well, by the way, yeah. Like three or four. If you get time, you can see me some pictures and have a look at what kind you've got. Oscar asks Abby what he means by hustling.

He doesn't respond, but then sends this revealing voice note. The problem we're having right now is the visa rejections in Dubai. That is the major, major challenge we are having. Dubai is rejecting a lot of visa. applications. And Kenya has been not been targeted of late. It was Uganda, Nigeria, but Kenyan visas are now on the list also. And the thing is, if you apply for a visa and it gets rejected, they don't refund. Money is lost. This suggests Abby is directly involved in bringing girls to Dubai. Although he says he's

struggling to get new girls in, surveillance has shown that right now he has girls with him at his villa in Dubai. And something Monica's friend Mia said comes back to me. There are girls at Abbey's place who are already dead inside, but they just keep moving. You're just seeing bodies. But the girls are dead. They're all suffering. They're all suffering.

I know they need help. If you don't stop Abby, it's going to continue. happening. Hi, hiding. I'm planning my journey to London. Yeah, I'm going to let you know in the next 48 hours. 248 hours, yeah. On the 30th of July,

Abby gets back in touch with our undercover reporter, Mark. You're not going to believe this team, but Abby's just message saying he's coming over this Tuesday coming, so on the 5th. This could be my chance to finally ask him about everything I've been told, to look him in the eye and see what he has to say. He tells Mark he's coming to the UK for a mobile phone auction. The auction tomorrow is ending in, it's in Kendall, above Lancaster.

I didn't even know it was a thing that they sell phones like that. You've got your... I've got your... I've got your... I'm very well connected. Mark tries to get Abby to agree to a meeting while he's in the UK by reminding him of the deal they've been discussing. For Abby to provide girls for sex at regular events in Dubai, he tells him a lot of money is at stake.

It'll be in cash. So you, like, I don't know whether you want to... Can you go through customs with that amount of money? Will you be okay to do that? I have been moving cash, big sums of cash for a long time. I know how to move cash. No, no, no, I know how to move cash. Okay, all right.

Then, Abby tells Mark he has new girls coming soon. Yeah, and I've got some very, very fresh entries. They're coming in for winter, for the winter season. They're coming in next week, so. Really? Can you send me pictures? Yeah, I can send you one of them. Where did you find her? They're from Uganda.

Oh, Uganda? Oh, okay, good. I've sent you. Okay. I've sent you. Have you got it? Let me just check. I've got another coming in. Also very nice.

You've had no issues with anyone getting them in? Are they, is it easy? No, they come with tourists with us. Ah, okay, nice. All right, dude. Bye-bye. The next day we're in Kendall, in the Lake District, driving along the river past cottages and over medieval stone bridges.

Yeah, yeah, we're eight minutes out now. With its green rolling hills, it strikes me that Kendall has more in common with Monica's rural home in western Uganda than the skyscrapers and desert of Dubai. I just keep your eyes out. It's a strange place for a Dubai Pimp, but he's told us he's here, somewhere. It's not a big place, and we've just got to try to find him.

So do you see this message? That he's loading stock, which means he's still here. We're checking everywhere we can think of and calling auction houses, phone shops, industrial estates. estate. Hi there. I wonder if you could help me. I was trying to find out if there are auctions finishing for electronics and phones. We can't find him. But then Mark manages to get through to him on the phone. Hello. Hey, bro. How did you go? Did you get everything you needed? Yeah, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good, but I'm so busy. I'm looking for flight right now.

Any flight I get, like, I'm trying to get the next available way out of here, you understand? Yeah, yeah. Let me know when you're flying out. But Abbey won't say where he's flying from. Maybe he's getting a bit suspicious. If he disappears back to Dubai again, it's going to be much harder to confront him. Manchester is the closest airport. We race there, jump out and run inside.

Is this the check-in for British Airways? Yes, I need to find the B-A. 405, that's the one, Manchester to Dubai. I've just had a scan, and it was, if my thought will be him, it's not. Then Abbey tells Mark he's gone through to the gate. He'll not be able to take Mark's calls for much longer, so we decide it's got to be now. Let's do that now.

I'll call you and then I'll patch you in. All right. Mr. Massigua? Hello? Hi, Mr. Messigua. Renarko Salina for the BBC. We have evidence that you're operating a prostitution ring in Dubai. What do you have to say to this? Is it 25 young women that you have working?

He's hung up already. He's gone. Oh, he's gone. I had so many questions I wanted to ask him. I'm ringing him again. Hold on. No, no answer. I've just messaged him. This is your chance to put your side of the story, bro.

He's online. His message. Bro, please stop tarnishing my name. If I went where girls do their business and they follow me to my parties and do their stuff, is it anyone's problem? When they go to hotels and rent rooms, did you find me seated by their sides?

If they send me messages that they have gotten a visa and I connect them with landlords, is it my fault? If I deal in mobile phones and happen to know many of them, is it my fault? Please next time investigate well. Go deep into Dera, look for people who bring girls and take passports off them and exploit them. I'm a party animal in Dubai and party with very wealthy people. That's why girls always come onto our tables and look for me. I'm going to hand over everything to my solicitor. I text Abby back and ask what happened to Monica and Kayla.

So he says, you are investigating things you have been lied about. Relatives or friends sending you didn't tell you that both were very heavy users of substances and were like mad people, especially Mon, which I guess is Mona, Monica, she died weighing merely 35 or 45 KGs. She had been evicted from multiple buildings not paying landlords. She moved into a flat of someone new in the business who did not know her because no one in Teccon was giving her a bed. This is what he's saying.

I tell him I would really like to have a conversation, but he just keeps messaging. Unfortunately, you have wrong evidence. She died with her passport. I am still chatting with you guys because you have wrong information. She got her visa, bought her ticket. I connected her for a bed space.

So he's just the connector. I record a video message with some of the questions I'd planned to put to him. We have evidence that you're operating a prostitution bring in Dubai. We have evidence that you also offer to provide these girls for degrading sexual acts over there in Dubai. Is it true that you told Monik is that she owes you 100,000 dirhams? How long would it have taken her to pay off that money, Mr Meseigua? He texts back saying Monica stayed with multiple landlords, joined many wrong gangs. I ask him, OK, so are you saying she never worked for you?

And he says, nope, I would have her passport. I text him again. So you're saying she never worked for you? He replies, use logic, please. No. He claims that Monica was not indebted to him. I ask again, what happened to her? He replies, she had lost it.

She was like a Philadelphia street zombie, the ones you see on TV. Speaking that way about the dead, it feels very much the same as the dehumanizing language that the internet uses about her. Then I ask him, How did she get exposed to drugs? I don't know, he replies. And then I put to him what Michael and Kira remember him saying, that Monica was not the first to die and would not be the last.

I ask him what he meant by this. He just says, the more I am explaining you what happened, the more you want to press to hear something. He completely disassociates himself from everything that's happened in Dubai, from this entire industry, from any wrongdoing. Everyone I've met along this investigation has painted this picture of a man who avoids accountability

whether in the face of family members whether in the face of authorities but I almost hoped that he would speak to me and that hasn't happened after this he starts sending us strange updates from his travels I just touched down in Athens, Greece, for a night, and then move to Doha.

Just giving an insight of my business, don't put me in that rubbish of Dubai. He seems to be trying to say that he's so busy buying phones. He has no time to be running a prostitution business in Dubai. We put everything to him in writing. He replies saying that he hadn't seen Monica for four or five weeks before her death, and that these are all false allegations. He then also says, family members may be pushing you to change the narrative, but she purely committed suicide.

It's been three years since Monica died, and almost a year since I last visited her family in Uganda. Now it feels like the right time to update them on what I've found out. Not an easy conversation, and to make it harder, it needs to happen over a video link. I'm in London, in a studio with producer Ruth. So basically, whenever you're ready, just join that Zoom call on your laptop, right? In Uganda, one of our other producers, Bondo, is on his way to the family farm, in Isindjaro. Hi, Runako. Yeah, so it's a good morning and we're almost getting well.

We are now going through the hard rocks, going through that path near the banana plantation and we can see the house on top of the hill. Michael, Monica's relative who was in the UAE when she died, is now back in Kampala, so he's styling in from there. Hi, Michael. Nice to see you. Is this ready to see? Okay. We are good to start.

Bondo connects. Everyone has gathered around his laptop. Rona, the first person in the family that I talk to, is there. So too is Rita, Monica's sister, and some of the brothers I met when I visited. Hello, hello. Hi, hi. How you doing? Hi, Innoc.

Hi, Innoc. Good to see everyone. But then we start having connection issues. Is Michael there? Because we are deep in the village, our network is on and off. The village network is the problem. Really, can they not hear us?

We do manage to reconnect. But I'm not sure how long the signal will hold out for, so I decide to tell them everything in one go. Firstly, to say, thank you for trusting me to investigate. I know it's taken a really long time and you've been so patient waiting to see what comes back. I know that some of this information will be very difficult to hear. So, to start with, so I've spoken to friends of Monikas and they say... I explained what Kira and Mia told me about the situation they say Monica was in, how they were trapped and had to sleep with men in order to pay off a huge debt.

So they told us that she was trapped there in Dubai. But she managed to get away and... Just before she died, she was very close to getting free. I'm pausing just in case there's any... I want it to be as comfortable for everyone as possible, so that's fine, yeah? I've been told from Rona that some in the family are holding out hope that Monica's still alive. And they've been trying to protect Monica's mum for fear that she might not be able to. to bear the news.

Without having her body to bury, there's been uncertainty. Leading up to this call, Rona messaged me, asking me this. Addressing this is going to be hard. Everyone that we spoke to, who knew her and were around at the time, they also believe that she passed away. So we don't have any evidence that she is still living. and I know that is very hard to hear and to accept, but I just wanted to share that with you

so you hear that from us. I don't know how I can explain to you, but I have been crying with this, I have been suffering with this, I have been thinking about this, I have been feeling it deep inside in me actually, to dream also. Because I usually think maybe she's still there.

I usually think maybe someone keep her somewhere. But since you come up and you said she's no longer there, my heart is like it's not healed. I can't tell you that it's healed. Just someone to go in that kind way without even barrier, without seeing the body. We could. I'm sorry.

No, you don't have to apologize. You don't have to apologize. Please take your time. I then tell them we think we know where Monica is buried and give them the details. And then, Monica's elder sister, Rita, wants to say something. We failed.

We couldn't find. the money to bring her back. As a family, we would love to bring her back to bury her. But we could never afford the money to bring her from abroad. Then everyone takes a moment.

Rona comes back in with a question. I would like to know what exactly happened like how she failed. Let's say, she failed from the building or someone killed her. We can't say

specifically how she died or what happened on the balcony that night I tell them what Mia said about the landlord and Monica's new apartment saying he heard Monica fighting with someone on the balcony the night she died but we don't know what happened and we can't say whether anyone was involved in her death

I tell them what we do have a good understanding of is her life in Dubai before she died and the man she was working for And I'm going to show them some of our undercover footage. Okay, just very quickly, just context. So the first clip that you will see is an attempt that we made to further investigate the man that the evidence shows offered the job to Monica to begin with.

And then the second clip is the man who Monica was brought to in Dubai who she was working for. In a syndrome, everyone leans in towards Bondo's laptop. Okay, so we're good to go now. You can see? No, I don't have a passport. And in Kampala, Michael is glued to the screen. When the second clip finishes, the one of Abbey offering girls to Mark, Michael jumps in.

That's the guy you run. That's really the guy That's the guy who told you He's the real guy I talked personally Who told me Monique was not the first And is not the last

The guy told me exactly He's the embassy He is the police Nothing I can do to him Oh Jesus You are on the right track. At the farm, one of Monica's brothers, innocent, wants to speak. I know we can pursue this.

I'm sure the government of Uganda is going to stop this gangster. That man is a gangster. So, really, what other family members are saying, they are in shock now after revealing. all this, everyone you can see that they are really disappointed, but they have known the truth now. This finding is going to be a beginning point for us to have justice. Thank you so much. I appreciate you saying that, but we don't expect thanks from you at all, and we pray that this makes a difference. The next thing I think that is really important to say is we spoke to many of Monica's friends, people who

really cared about her and lived alongside her and I'm sure they would want you to know just how special she was to them they described her as very brave sorry give me one second sorry sorry sorry sorry I did not want to get emotional they said that she was very brave she was very very kind

and she was the person who stood up for them. Monica's niece, Rona, steps in. I want to say something to Selene. I know because this news of Monica Kalunji went far away in many countries as in if you get this news out, many people might come out and say something. Maybe someone will get energy

to say what exactly happens. pain. Please go on, do your work and please, please, please, please, please, take care of yourself about this investigation. It's so sensitive. So please think about your life also. Thank you, Rona. Michael, I just wanted to come back to you because you were very emotional just now and I could, yeah. Michael warns the family not to take things into their own hands. Be careful with this information. Let the authorities do their work, he says. He's still haunted by the memory of the girls he says he saw in Abbey's apartment,

who must have families that miss them. This man holds many, many girls in his custody. They have the mothers, like Monica, the way her mother now is crying. She will cry for the rest of her. her life. She's in deep pain. But if you bring this man to justice, you can save these young girls. One of those girls who says she was in Abbey's apartment that day and witnessed the confrontation was Monica's friend Kira. She says she managed to escape. but still worries about those left behind.

I ask what she thinks should happen now. I think the UK should work with the Ugandan government and Dubai to try and fight for those girls. The last question, I guess, is there anything I haven't asked you, we haven't asked you that you want to say, like a message? If you would speak to Abbe now, what would you tell me? I'll tell him. I'll tell him to give his life to God.

justice is always out in the right time it's just a matter of time if you are suffering if you are suffering distress or despair and need support, you could speak to a health professional or an organisation that offers support. Details of help available in many countries can be found at befrienders worldwide. www.befrenders.org This has been the last episode of Death in Dubai, Season 9 of World of Secrets.

Thank you for listening. Please leave us a review. helps us to get the word out. World of Secrets, Death in Dubai, is produced by Ruth Evans, Lee Chong, Bondo, and me, Renarko Salina. The sound design and mix is by Andy Fell. The editor is Rebecca Henshki. It was a BBC Eye investigation produced in association with Thread Studios. For BBCI, the executive producer is Melen Larson and the editor.

editor, Mustafa Khalili. For Thread Studios, the executive producer was Mal Greece. Alex Farkerson is head of production. Shavon Ray is the production manager, and Chris Jones is the assistant producer. Original music by Hugh Jones. The production manager was Maria Caramello and the production coordinator was Katie Morrison. Translation and voiceover by Diana Luanga. Additional reporting by Nicholas Odihambor.

Many thanks to the BBC World Service commissioning team that is behind World of Secrets. Before you go, there are eight previous seasons of World of Secrets, the BBC's Global Investigations podcast, waiting for you in this feed and available to listen to right now. Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime. My husband said, your dad's been killed. This is Hands Tide, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Milgar. I was just completely in shock. Liz's father murdered, and her mother found locked in a closet, her hands and feet bound.

I didn't feel real at all. More than a decade on, she's still searching for answers. We're still fighting. Listen to Hands Tide on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.