World Of Secrets - The Apartheid Killer: 4. The Hunter Becomes the Hunted

Episode Date: August 12, 2024

Can the reign of terror of Louis van Schoor be stopped? There was a state of emergency in South Africa and resistance to the apartheid regime had intensified. A coalition of activists had him in their... sights. African National Congress supporters, lawyers and journalists were fighting to bring the apartheid system to an end and, in turn, bring mass murderer van Schoor to justice. Could they succeed? Since this episode was recorded, it has been announced that Louis van Schoor died, on 25 July 2024. There will be more about this later in the series. This was a four-year investigation and the interviews with Louis van Schoor were recorded in 2022 and 2023.Please note, this episode of World of Secrets includes descriptions of violence and torture, which some listeners may find distressing.Season 3 of World of Secrets is a collaboration with the BBC World Service investigations unit, Africa Eye. Here’s a link to the BBC Africa Eye film, which we recommend you watch after listening to this podcast: https://youtu.be/QPB42_uLLh0If you are in the UK, you can watch on BBC iPlayer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0021dvm#WorldofSecrets

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Starting point is 00:00:00 This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Before we start, this episode of World of Secrets includes descriptions of violence and torture, which some listeners may find distressing. East London, South Africa. It's the late 1980s. Police officers are scouring through a maze of alleyways and dirt streets. They are forming a net around a specific house in the heart of Duncan Village, a township on the outskirts of the city where members of an underground resistance are plotting the downfall of the apartheid regime.
Starting point is 00:00:38 One of these resistance fighters, a man called Joe, is the target. He's been stockpiling weapons in his home, and the police are coming to find them. There was an AK in the fridge. An AK-47? Yeah, at the back. And there were two grenades in one bin, and there were another two F1 grenades in another bin.
Starting point is 00:01:08 The grenades are hidden inside bins full of flour, and the AK-47 machine gun is behind the wooden panel at the back of the fridge. Joe has stuffed bottles of milk, bags of rice and vegetables in front of it to make it hard to see. But he's run out of time, and the police smash down his door. bags of rice and vegetables in front of it to make it hard to see. But he's run out of time and the police smash down his door. They came in, the three of them, and they searched the house with a beeping machine. The beeping machine that Joe is referring to is a metal detector.
Starting point is 00:01:47 The police are using it to scan his largely wooden home, searching for the weapons. They know that something is there, but they can't find it. They couldn't see it. And they said, let's sit down. They said, is there anything in the house? They said, there is nothing of a weapon in the house. As they question Joe, they order him to hold out his arm in front of him to see if he's telling the truth.
Starting point is 00:02:16 Scores of his fellow fighters have been taken away by the police, tortured, some never to be seen again. His hand is shaking uncontrollably with fear. So I know, we know you. Just stretch your hand like this, do it like this. And my hand was shaking like anything. I said, no, there's something here. What would have happened if they'd found it?
Starting point is 00:02:46 They were going to arrest me. The police turn over every item of furniture in the house. They fail to check the fridge and find the weapons. They eventually give up, but they're not finished with Joe. And he is not finished with them. A powerful movement is rising in South Africa. Activists, lawyers and journalists are joining forces to fight the white supremacist government. And their sights are set on another target too.
Starting point is 00:03:24 A security guard who's gone rogue. And their sights are set on another target too. A security guard who's gone rogue. A man who's been killing scores of black people after dark. I didn't know at that point who Louis Fonscour was. What I did know is that this was a guy who needed to be stopped. This is World of Secrets, Season 3. The Apartheid Killer. A BBC World Service investigation with me, Ayanda Charlie.
Starting point is 00:03:55 And me, Charlie Northcott. Episode 4. The Hunter Becomes the Hunted. At the end of the last episode, Louis van Scoor killed a 12-year-old boy at the Wimpy restaurant in East London. The other victim that night, 14-year-old John, miraculously survived. Before we pick up on what happened in that case, we need to unpack what was going on in the city at that time. So in this episode, we will journey into the past, meeting the people who tried to investigate and bring down Fun Square.
Starting point is 00:04:42 And to do that, we're spending time with Joe, the man who was hiding an AK-47 in the back of his fridge. People in Duncan Village love Joe for the role he played in the struggle. He's 66 years old now, but everywhere we go, people stop to greet him. He jokes that he's like the unofficial mayor of Duncan Village. Joe is a former member of Umkonto Wesizwe, the Spear of the Nation, which was the military arm of the African National Congress. The government had promised and proven time and again that any form of resistance would be met
Starting point is 00:05:17 with maximum force by the state. And by the 1980s, after countless massacres, banishments, unlawful imprisonment and assassinations in their lifetime alone, many young people answered the call to take up arms. Joe was one of them. We fought for this country because we wanted people of this country to be liberated, to be free. Not a section, not a section of population, but everybody in this country to be free. Joe was on the front line of the fight.
Starting point is 00:05:58 But that's not why we meet him. We went to him because of the information he has on Louis Vance's score. Details nobody has heard before. He claims that the former security guard was not working alone in East London. He says he had the backing of the police. Van Schoor was highly protected. Highly protected because he was working with the police and the police didn't have any problem with what he was doing.
Starting point is 00:06:26 He never got arrested because he was the one who phoned the police. There would be no case open, no inquest, nothing. Pow, pow, pow. Nothing happened. Specifically, Joe says Van School was close with officers at Cambridge Police Station in East London. He says they would rubber stamp his shootings as justifiable homicide, rather than investigate their friend. They don't want to investigate cases.
Starting point is 00:06:57 They choose friends. They cover for certain individuals. Cambridge Police Station was known for killing. This was the most hostile police station in this part of the region. Feared. And nobody wanted to be arrested and be taken to Cambridge Police Station. Ruthless. Cambridge Police Station is still standing today.
Starting point is 00:07:29 And it's a weird place. There's a sinister edge to it. From the outside, it looks like a fortress. The walls are red brick, but a faded grey with moss and mould. And the windows are covered in metal grates, preventing anyone outside from looking in. Joe has first-hand experience of the brutality of the officers who once worked there. Not long after the incident with the weapons in his fridge,
Starting point is 00:07:55 he's arrested and taken to Cambridge Police Station. I was immediately taken to a service. And after close to two hours, they opened the door again. They escort him into a windowless room. In the corner is a wooden bench. Four police officers are waiting for him. They order him to strip off his clothes. There was a bench next to the wall. That's it. And this guy said, strip, strip, strip, strip, strip. And I stripped.
Starting point is 00:08:34 And I was left with underwear. And he said, when you go to bed with your girlfriend, do you usually leave your underpants? I asked him, where's my girlfriend? He said, here's your girlfriend. And he showed me the bench. And when I look at this bench, there were belts attached to the bench itself. And they put my hands under the bench and they put handcuffs. And I was unable to move, except only the head.
Starting point is 00:09:09 A police officer approaches Joe. He says he's a doctor, and that he's going to give him special treatment for being a member of the African National Congress, the ANC. There was a guy who was wearing some military boots, National Congress, the ANC. So I'm going to treat you. He came on my back with boots, military boots. He was jumping on my back. Up and down.
Starting point is 00:09:56 Up and down. He broke my back. Sure. That's the most painful, most painful. And they said, no, he's not responding. They took a stick and I was... My feet were just like that because I was in a bench lying on my stomach like this. Took a stick and they beat me underneath until I was unable
Starting point is 00:10:27 to count even how many legs. And that was the last time I know, I remember what happened. Joe's back is broken by the police and he's temporarily paralyzed from the waist down. He's imprisoned for years for his role in the resistance. Much of that time is spent lying in his cell, staring at his toes, willing his feet to learn to move again.
Starting point is 00:11:04 cell, staring at his toes, willing his feet to learn to move again. Together with Isa Jacobson, we've reviewed the police reports for all of Fun Square's shootings, and there's a clear pattern. Officers from Cambridge Police Station were frequently the first responders. File after file has the station's official stamp on the front cover. Cambridge Police Station, that's where a lot of these Fenskewer cases were being reported. It's also the place where a lot of tortures were taking place. He would not have been able to get away with it without the help of the police force in East London. When I go to Cambridge Police station and I see those blocked
Starting point is 00:11:47 off windows I can imagine Finskewer walking in with his neat and tidy case already sewn up rubber stamped and the screams of the people who would have been on the upper floors. It's all in the same building, ultimately. There are people in the system who allowed this to happen. With brutal police officers from Cambridge Police Station supporting him, Van School must have seemed unstoppable. Shooting after shooting is being signed off as justifiable, seemingly with very little scrutiny from the police. South Africa is operating under a state of emergency at this time. The police have far-reaching powers.
Starting point is 00:12:40 For everyone else, it's tense. It was a heavy police presence in town all the time. And we were under a state of emergency. And as journalists, that put heavy restrictions on what we could do, what we could write. And in fact, we didn't know often what was legal or what was permitted. You could be arrested for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You just didn't know what the rules were under the state of emergency. This is Dominic Jones.
Starting point is 00:13:13 In the 1980s, he's a rookie journalist, having just landed his first job with the East London paper, the Daily Dispatch. I was such a junior green journalist. I was a student. Had never been to East London before. Had no idea what sort of newspaper the Daily Dispatch was. And, you know, there was a lot of bad things happening. Dominic is excited. The Eastern Cape is at the sharp end of the struggle between the apartheid government and its opponents. The region is a boiling kettle of racial tension,
Starting point is 00:13:53 and it could blow at any moment. It was lunchtime and people were just heading back to the offices and to their work, and it was a massive blast. Blasts and shards of blasts flying everywhere. There were people screaming inside the restaurant, people lying outside the restaurant covered in blood. That certainly drove home for me that this was a tense, very tense time. The bomb Dominic witnesses is one of dozens set off by resistance fighters across the region, aimed at crippling white-owned businesses.
Starting point is 00:14:38 But he isn't allowed to cover stories like this. He's a junior, and the media is tightly controlled. His editor doesn't want to cover any stories that might panic their white readers. We could barely put a story together. Some of the columns that were being written were like things like playing bridge, croquet. There wasn't a lot of coverage of the political situation. In fact, I was asked to become the harbour reporter, the port reporter, to report on ships that were coming into port.
Starting point is 00:15:19 It was rather ridiculous. The country's burning, and I'm being assigned by the editor to be their first court reporter writing about ships. Dominic is frustrated. So without drawing too much attention, he begins to quietly look into other stories. And one of them, in particular, grabs his attention. particular, grabs his attention. I did some research in the library looking for reports of shootings by a security guard at local businesses. It was clear to me that there was definitely something of substance behind these rumors that had been going around about Fonscour. Who was Louis Fonscour? Why was he able to do this? Why were the police covering up for him? You know, at the time, there were rumors
Starting point is 00:16:13 about hit squads, secret police hit squads, and people would disappear. And the thing was, is that under the state of emergency, the police basically could tell you what they wanted to tell you and you weren't really allowed to question them. Dominic begins looking into Fun Square. His investigation, alongside other journalists and activists, is one of the most comprehensive ever carried out. At the time he's digging, so little information is out there, and he has so many questions about the security guard. Is he a state-sponsored assassin or a lone wolf? How many people has he actually killed? Dominic tries contacting Van Scoor himself for answers,
Starting point is 00:17:03 leaving a note and his phone number on his car windshield. He doesn't hear back, and he assumes he won't. Until one night. It must have been around midnight. I was asleep and all alone. and the telephone rang. Better get up and go and answer the phone. So I went downstairs, and the telephone was in the kitchen, and the kitchen faced the courtyard,
Starting point is 00:17:45 and leading to the courtyard were these large glass sliding doors which would open onto the courtyard. And the curtains were open. Anyway, I picked up the phone and there's a voice came on that I instantly recognized as Louis Fonscour. And he said, Mr. Jones and I said yes he said number 39
Starting point is 00:18:13 pal and then he hung up and I thought what does he mean 39 suddenly I thought, what does he mean, 39? Suddenly I thought, I saw the windows, doors out to the courtyard. I was standing there, fully exposed, and thought, does he mean me?
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Starting point is 00:19:31 And click follow or subscribe so you never miss a new episode. In that moment, Dominic Jones fears for his life. Once his racing heart settles, he sits down and thinks about what's just happened. He believes Fonscour called to boast that he just killed his 39th victim that night. Dominic wants answers too, so he begins to search for evidence, and one of the people he turns to is Charlene Craige. He was at the local newspaper and he said, Charlene, I've had this incident, have you ever heard of, has this guy's name ever come up?
Starting point is 00:20:14 And I said, well funny, I had a case yesterday, it was just total coincidence. Charlene Craige worked for an organisation called the Black Sash, a coalition of white women who help victims of human rights abuses. Dominic and one of his colleagues reach out to her for help. I had a client come in that had been in jail, I think, for six months and hospital as well, who'd been shot and now was coming to looking for justice. I took photos and took the statement from him and I was counting his bullet wounds and checking the entry and exit points in his front and back of his chest. And that's what started the whole process off.
Starting point is 00:21:01 The Black Sash had an extensive network of contacts in the townships. So we asked Charlene to put out the word to their network of sources and contacts for anyone who had encountered Louis von Squire to come forward and bring information to the Black Sash. And then the Black Sash would share that information with us. The deeper Dominic and Charlene dig, the murkier things become. The police appear to be obscuring Fonsko's role in the shootings. Information is going missing. What was interesting is that in the early stories about these shootings, they actually gave his name. They said, you know, Louis Fonscour had shot a suspect at a particular business.
Starting point is 00:21:56 He was named by the police. But in the more recent stories, the stories had less and less information. You know, the shooter wasn't named by the police. The security company involved was no longer named. And in some cases, even the business that had been apparently broken into wasn't named. So it seemed to me that the police were trying to hide who was involved in these shootings by giving out less information. Dominic needs hard evidence, but there is so little information out there.
Starting point is 00:22:38 The police won't help him, so he decides to try his luck at the courthouse in East London. A brutalist concrete building full of grey corridors, grey filing cabinets and long-faced guards at the gate. I wasn't quite sure what sort of records I was looking for. Wandering around those corridors, he bumps into a lawyer, who he asks a quick question. What kind of information is recorded when someone is killed?
Starting point is 00:23:06 She tells him there would have been an inquest, a detailed account of what had happened, and that those reports are stored somewhere inside the building. An inquest? I didn't even know what an inquest was. Dominic begins to search for the archives, moving through the corridors and eventually down into the basement. Row after row of paper files are stacked in long cabinets and boxes. He begins to quietly search through them, one by one.
Starting point is 00:23:38 Each inquest file documents a death, suicides, car accidents. There are hundreds of them. He wonders if he'll ever find anything. So I moved on to the next one, and the cause of death was multiple gunshot wounds. And I thought, well, this one looks interesting. And I looked on the back, and on the back of the cover of each file was a list of witnesses. And there was the name Louis van Schoor and I immediately felt my heart starting to race
Starting point is 00:24:17 it suddenly made what had to that point really been speculation and rumor suddenly made it very real To that point, Rayleigh Bean's speculation and rumour suddenly made it very real. Among the files, he finds more Van Scoor cases. More shootings. Cases like the killing of Edward Sunnis. He reads shocking new details that have never come into the light. But Dominic isn't allowed to make copies of this material. He's not even sure if he's allowed in that room in the first place.
Starting point is 00:24:53 He jots down as many details as he can and rushes two miles across town, back to his editor at the Daily Dispatch. When he gets there, the editor isn't impressed. This rookie journalist is going to need much more than some scribbled notes to bring down the most popular security guard in East London. A man with many friends in the police force. To expose Van Scoor, Dominic needs people to know
Starting point is 00:25:18 what really happened during his killings. They need to know how many have died and to prove it, he needs copies of those inquest documents. He decides to call Charlene. The organisation she works for, the Black Sash, are used to secret activities. And if they're going to get Van Scores' kill files, they're going to have to steal them. The next day, they nervously head back to the courthouse, not knowing if word had
Starting point is 00:25:47 got out about a young reporter sniffing around the archives. There's a really good chance security won't let them in. We didn't expect to actually get past the front desk. And so we used a lot of manipulation to actually get these workers to let us down there. We were so amazed that we actually talked our way into it because even though that they are public documents and they should allow us to go in, that's just not the way things worked in South Africa. So we got down and we started pulling out, you know, all these dusty files. My job was to run up and down the staircase and manipulate the lady in the office
Starting point is 00:26:32 to let me use their photocopier machine. That was a full-time job because she was just feeling so uncomfortable but she knew that it was probably not in her interest to not let me do that so what were you saying to her sweet talking her and probably trying to be friends and probably tell her what a great hairdo she had or I would have been using everything just distract her to what we were really doing. You must have been excited getting all this information.
Starting point is 00:27:11 Yes. You know at any time you can be stopped. So you're just trying to outwit people around you all the time. It's just adrenaline really that's rushing through you and you know that you've got a limited time and you've got to get the information and get out there as quick as you can. For three days, totally wired on coffee and nervous energy, they run up and downstairs photocopying, secretly taking pictures and documenting anything that could help them nail Fonscour. And we came up with 25 victims. When we studied the inquest record, everything was exactly the same.
Starting point is 00:27:54 We could see there was a modus operandi there and there was a pattern. Even the way he shot the victims, he was shooting to kill. the way he shot the victims, he was shooting to kill. With this new evidence, Dominic thinks he's finally got enough to persuade his editor to go public and publish the story. But under apartheid in East London, it's not that simple. Unfortunately, our newspaper was being privately funded by the businesses that were being protected by Fonskour, so they refused to publish the stories. Despite having the evidence they need, the newspaper decides not to publish the story on Fonskour. Dominic and his colleagues are crushed.
Starting point is 00:28:41 The editor wants him to stick with his beat, writing about ships, not killings by a well-respected white businessman. So we had to work out a plan amongst ourselves about how we were going to get the story out. This really matters. After all their work, he doesn't want to let it go. So he takes the evidence to another newspaper. They publish and they name many of the victims. It's the first time any information has come out publicly about the scale and severity of Fonskoa's killings. The first time anyone had hinted that, perhaps, his shootings were not justifiable, as the police claimed. It was this article that Marlene Sunis read in episode one.
Starting point is 00:29:34 The first time she knew that her brother Edward had died. On the Monday morning after that, my office was flooded by families who had discovered for the first time what had happened to their child, maybe two years ago. And these children had all been buried in mass graves, in pauper's graves on the edge of town, and there was never any attempt to contact the families. And so none of them knew what had happened to their children. The article is a defining moment.
Starting point is 00:30:23 It doesn't answer all the mysteries surrounding Van Scores' killings, but it does unleash unprecedented pressure and scrutiny on the East London police, from parts of South African society that simply cannot be ignored. Winds of change are sweeping across the globe. The Berlin Wall has just fallen, and communist regimes around the world are beginning to lose their grip on power. And in Cape Town, Nelson Mandela has finally been released from prison. Vanscour's killings are no longer going unnoticed.
Starting point is 00:30:56 After shooting two men one evening, an inquest is held in 1990. But this time, it's different. in 1990. But this time, it's different. A young black attorney called Gerald Bloom is brought forward to scrutinise what happened. The courtroom was a very, very small courtroom. Mr. Van Schoor was standing about two, at most three metres from me when I cross-examined him. Now, just think about it. Just think about that situation. And I had to put to him, you shot with the intention of killing my guy.
Starting point is 00:31:38 Bloom cross-examines Van Scoor relentlessly. The magistrate overseeing the courtroom is persuaded. He says, for the first time, that Van Scoor overstepped the mark. The case draws to a close, and Bloom knows he's scored a victory. Van Scoor is in trouble. As the court is adjourned, and everyone begins to quietly file out of the room, he sees the six-foot-two bearded man walking towards him. And Fonskua came straight to me.
Starting point is 00:32:12 And he petted me on the back and he said, well done. He said, thank you very much. I was scared. I must be honest. He said, well done. Yeah, yeah. That's the mentality of the person we're dealing with. It's all a joke to him, I think. After that, he comes to me with a smile on his face and he says, well done. I mean, what other human being would do that?
Starting point is 00:32:39 Van Scoor is confident and with good reason. After all, up to this point, his friends in high places have managed to take care of every last shooting. He had their protection. But now, the net is closing in. They didn't know it then, but in the coming months, he would be the subject of the largest criminal trial in the history of South Africa. And one of the star witnesses in his prosecution is 14-year-old John from the burger restaurant, the boy who miraculously survived. I was lying there and he kicked me in the mouth. He told me again to stand up, but I couldn't.
Starting point is 00:33:24 And then he shot me again. We did not attack that man. That's next time on World of Secrets. Thank you for listening to World of Secrets, Season 3, The Apartheid Killer, from the BBC World Service. This has been Episode 4 of 6. Subscribe or follow now so you get all episodes and our next investigations automatically.
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