World Of Secrets - The Disciples: 1. Sin No More

Episode Date: January 8, 2024

Shots ring out at a church guarded by gunmen in Lagos, Nigeria. Behind the blacked-out windows and high walls are secrets. In a pub in Oxford, England, a woman comes to us with a story. Hosts Charlie Northcott and Yemisi Adegoke investigate the cult of TB Joshua. Please note, some episodes in this season of World of Secrets contain graphic descriptions of sexual and physical violence, including sexual assault, rape and the language associated with it. This episode also contains strong language.If you've been affected by any of the issues in this series, please contact support organisations in your own country. For a list of organisations in the UK that can provide support for survivors of sexual abuse, go to bbc.co.uk/actionlineArchive: The Synagogue Church of All Nations, Journeyman Pictures#WorldofSecrets

This BBC podcast is supported by ads outside the UK. Before we start, some episodes in this series of World of Secrets contain graphic descriptions of sexual and physical violence, including sexual assault, rape and the language associated with it. This episode also includes strong language. We're in Lagos, Nigeria, and everything is going wrong. This argument is happening in front of a compound with 12-foot-high walls guarded by a group of men.

And one of them has a gun. They're trying to force me to hand over my camera, evidence of what's been going on behind those walls. If you want to remove any footage from the BBC, you'll need a lawyer, and you'll need to get a court order. Over 100 people died inside this place. Countless lives have been destroyed, and nobody knows the truth. Don't give me the shit of saying I'm going to go to jail. No, no. destroyed and nobody knows the truth.

This compound isn't a prison, it's a church. And the man who built it is one of the most powerful religious figures of the century. A man with something to hide. You know people don't want you to do a story when they come at you. With a gun. This is World of Secrets. Season two. The Disciples. This story is like a horror story.

It's like something you watch in fiction. But it's true. A BBC World Service investigation with me, Charlie Northcote. And me, Yemi Siadigoke. Episode one, Sin No More. A lot of this story is going to take place in Nigeria. It's where my family's from and where I've worked as a reporter for the past decade. But the reach of the man at the centre of this story goes much further. Across the African continent to Latin America, Asia and the US.

And to understand why a bunch of BBC journalists are being shot at outside his compound, we need to go back to where it all started. To England, where I'm from and where I work as an investigative journalist. And to a posh little pub in Oxford, where I met Ray. When you meet a source for the first time as a journalist, you're always trying to suss them out. You're trying to work out if what they're saying is true. And one of the best ways to do that is to meet them face to face

and to look them in the eye. We agreed to meet in a pub. I had my dog with me, because you can't leave, we have to stamp our dog everywhere. This is Ray. She has short, spiky hair, thick glasses, and is a bundle of intense energy. I do, like, I'm a little bit too much myself sometimes.

It was a sunny day. People were eating fish and chips, sitting on wooden benches next to a river. But we went inside, where it was quiet. And we found a table in the corner. I think I was really hot. I remember turning up in shorts and t-shirts. Ray was talking quickly, making lots of jokes.

But that betrayed a kind of tension inside of her and you could see it in her face. I didn't want to spook her, so I didn't record our meeting. But we found ourselves talking about it the other day. Six hours? The pub, basically. I remembered that Ray ordered food, but she didn't eat. But we found ourselves talking about it the other day. Six hours? The pub, basically. I remembered that Ray ordered food, but she didn't eat.

I do remember all my chips went cold. I barely got a word in. Ray had talked and talked and talked, telling me a story so strange and so disturbing, it's hard to believe it when you hear it. I think none of us expected what we were going to hear. Ray fell down a rabbit hole into a nightmarish world where things that seemed impossible were possible, where miracles and magic became real.

When I asked Ray where we begin, she took us back to the 1990s, to a small, sleepy English village. Ray was in her late teens. David Beckham was playing for England. The Spice Girls were rocking stadiums. It was a time of Tamagotchis and floppy discs. Going to the cinema or renting a video was an event. Back then, people still had handheld video cameras for filming special events,

and Ray and her friends recorded a lot. We've got hours and hours of footage of her during her teens. And in loads of it, she's playing outside, in beautiful English countryside, climbing trees and running in fields full of wildflowers. Is this your barbecue, Mr Mummery? Is it going well and everything? Except for the smoke and the weather.

I would like to say my upbringing was pretty normal and stable. My dad was a chartered accountant. He worked in London. We lived rurally. Barbecue. Yummy. But I don't think I was normal and stable in the sense that I had a lot of things going on for me privately that I didn't feel I

could speak about so can I show you a picture of yourself from that time oh yeah I remember that oh that's that's a really nice one with big like crazy eyes I look like I'm on something mate I was on the holy spirit everybody just like please on record you've got a beer in your hand you're wearing a hoodie you're having a laugh with your friends, life could have been so different for you. Describe your haircut. I've got curtains so I'm well proud of those. God. Let's bounce for the camera. I told you, you can get them in TK Maxx. I told you that ages ago. Jump up and down. Wave your hands in the air children. Ray and her friends were really into music. Boy bands were huge. And one of the biggest was Take That.

All my secondary school friends, right, they're all like into Take That and they're like wanting to get down with Robbie Williams. And I'm just not getting it. Because there was something Ray hadn't told her friends. Instead of boy band Take That, her teenage crush was Kylie Minogue. Now a superstar. Then better known as a tv soap actor so yeah I like was crushing on Kylie like massively couldn't tell anybody he couldn't even really accept it myself so there sort of ensued this immediate cover-up of my like natural

inclinations here's another thing about 90s Britain. Every teenage room was plastered with posters. It wasn't just Kylie Ray was crushing on. She fancied another soap actor called Melissa George. Don't worry, I have never heard of her either. I couldn't put the posters up because all the people I liked were girls. So I had to pick couples, right?

So when I had, like, a crush, I was like... So my classic one, I had to pick couples right so when I had like a crush I was like so my classic one I had a crush on Melissa George her on screen like love of her life guy called Dita Brummer they got together yeah I had like posters all over my wall but all of them were of them as a couple because I couldn't put Melissa George on the wall because I couldn't have my parents see that and I couldn't have anyone else know that. That's kind of how I was living my life and then that, of course, came off the walls of the bedroom and I started crushing on actual real people.

Hi, Carla. And that is when I started having... I would say it really began to disturb me because I realised I couldn't control it. and to disturb me because I realised I couldn't control it. She was really desperate to go to this particular prophet. Ray is going to be such an important part of this story. So we wanted to talk to someone who knew her growing up.

Someone who featured a lot in these home videos. Carla. But contacting Carla didn't exactly go to plan. Like a lot of people who've been to the compound in Lagos, she's wary of journalists. And to our horror, Carla did what most people on TikTok do these days. She posted a video about it.

So basically this morning I got an email from a reporter. His name is Charlie and apparently he works for the BBC. He was asking about my best friend when I was younger. My story about what happened to me and what happened to her, she wouldn't want it out there. So I don't believe this Charlie guy. I watched this TikTok, like sitting in bed on a Sunday morning, just thought, oh my God, what the hell are we going to do about this Charlie guy. I watched this TikTok like sitting in bed on a Sunday morning just thought oh my god what the hell are we gonna do about this. Not the greatest. Yeah. The reason this is so bad is the church still has quite a lot of supporters and we're being really careful

about keeping our work on this story quiet. And as expected, almost immediately, people were commenting underneath the video. He sounds very dubious. Well done you, never tell anybody. Tell the reporter, they're only in it for the money. Her story is hers, don't betray your friend's confidence. But, after a long call and many messages, Carla not only agreed to delete the video, but also to talk. So I hopped on a train with producer Rob. Hi.

Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi, and you? Hello. I'm Robyn. Charlie. Yeah, we brought some milk. Oh good, because I don't drink milk.

Have you found the photos? I have. We're looking down at a coffee table, strewn with dozens of photos and even handwritten letters between the pair of them. That's the last one of us ever. So there she is looking at me. The dress sense and everything is just like a time machine back to the early 2000s.

One photo shows Ray and Carla together. Spaghetti strap dresses, drinking a beer. I knew that Rachel would not want to speak to me. She has made absolutely clear to me that I am no longer in her life. would not want to speak to me. She has made absolutely clear to me that I am no longer in her life. So for you to come to me and say, oh, hi, I've been talking to Ray. And she reached out and said, you might know her. To me, that seemed alien because she wouldn't want me to speak about her life. I am to stay quiet. I am not to put photos out there. Did you think maybe I was someone from the church

trying to get information? I thought you were from the church and that you wanted some information on her. I tried to kind of reassure Carla as we settled down on the sofa and encouraged her to talk about Ray. I was in a concert. It was a Christian concert and I was really into the lead singer. I don't know who was with her, but two of the other people from church came in with Rachel. And I remember looking over and she was the coolest person I've ever seen in my life. She had this thing about her where she had this confidence, which I think was probably quite fake. But to me, I was like, you are just amazing. I just want to be friends with you. And I remember making my way down to the front where she was.

And I just remember being really brave and talking to her. And I think I probably said, oh, I really like him. And then she said, oh, I really like the drummer. And they were best friends. And then from then on in, we were just, I guess, inseparable. For much of their teens, they would spend most of their time together. She was energetic, bubbly, fun. She was just funny. She was always positive

I looked up to her, she was older than me She drove a car and we would just go on a drive For hours just talking About God About life, about our futures At this point they were both Taking their faith pretty seriously. They even got baptised together, captured here on video.

But there was something else. Carla was a massive crush in my life for many years. So I was like 16 and I was like crushing on Carla and I used to spend all my time around her house and it was a really difficult time for me because she did not reciprocate how I felt. In fact, on the contrary, she was busy chasing guys. Sounds like young love.

Teenage. Teenage love. Yeah, you see, Charlie Charlie I don't even know what that is right because I didn't have it back then like in the environment I was in like no one was really out in fact I didn't think don't think I even knew that term I didn't know a single other person who was queer ever that I think drove me to pursue God, like, more and more and more. I was like, that is the only solution for these feelings. That is the only solution for getting out of this terrible inner turmoil and self-hatred.

On the outside, Rae was doing OK. It was the early 2000s, she was at university, studying graphic design. She was really popular and she seemed to everyone around her to be happy. I was always busy, always out, always with my mates. And I remember coming home and it was, I'd be that outside and then I'd come back to my bedroom and I'd cry myself to sleep every single night. And nobody knew, like literally no one knew except myself. And I got so desperate one night. I remember I went outside.

We used to have quite a big back garden. And I went and laid down and I was like looking up at the stars. And I was so desperate for God to come and save me and rescue me. I lay out on the grass until about 11pm at night. And I was shouting like, where are you? Just, like, show yourself. Like, if you're alive, like, show yourself. But for years, there was no sign of God

and no obvious cure for what she believed and her faith told her was a problem. Her sexuality. Until she saw a video. A video that would change her sexuality. Until she saw a video. A video that would change her life. The footage you are about to watch is of a sensitive nature. And although it may not be suitable for all viewers, it is for the glory of God.

If you want a seat in the house, feel free to move this around. Pretty much straight away, we're watching something really horrible. The warning still doesn't quite prepare you for what you're about to see. Even Charlie stops watching now. His eyes are covered by his hands. But Ray, she doesn't flinch. She's seen these videos before, many times.

The first time when she'd just turned 20. Oh my God. Yeah, so we were in a flat. It was predominantly women, from what I remember. There weren't very many of us, like maybe six, seven, with somebody who was a pastor

from South Africa and had bought all these VHS cassettes over and wanted to show us these miracles to encourage our faith. The first one we saw was this guy whose name was Sinno Moore. He had got this massively inflated scrotum, which they had diagnosed as scrotum cancer. I remember, like, giggling, because having come from, like, a super conservative culture

and then a conservative house on top of that, when had I ever seen a penis? And then all of a sudden there's one, like, swinging its stuff on telly, you know? So we're all sitting there, like, giggling, like, trying to be really serious but also laughing. As the man's standing there naked, this eerie figure comes up with a microphone in his hand and a white

shirt on and he stretches out his hand and prays for that person and you see the ball bag burst and then you've got testicles suspended in midair they're just hanging there open to the elements and then they're filming this whole process over days and how basically the scrotum bag like re-grew. And he's testifying to how this prophet has saved his life. And you're like watching this, like I said, on Raw VHS and you're just like, how the hell did that happen? And before the video ends, there's one final scene. Him basically renouncing his sin

so this whole thing about, you know, my name is sin no more Jesus has healed me. This miracle was one of many that Ray would watch and the more she watched, the more mesmerised she became. Documented miracles, that was something that I certainly had never seen. When this VHS cassette was shown to me, it was kind of like a little bit of a dream come true for me. If this man could heal and perform miracles, thought Ray,

maybe he could offer a cure from what she saw as her biggest problem, her sexuality. These are like the miracles that I heard about in Sunday school and here they are and it hooks you. For Ray, this was the moment. She'd finally found the God she'd been searching for. I've got to go. I've got to go and see the power of God in action. Maybe this is the answer to my problems.

Maybe this man can straighten me out. I'm going to be free. I'm not going to be gay anymore. Age 21, Ray was about to make the biggest decision of her life. To quit her studies, to leave university, and to go to find that man in the white robe. The man who can heal people with his hands. And she wasn't the only one. When you meet someone online, can you trust they are who they say they are? I keep thinking so much about you. She's so stunning. It's all well planned. Love, Janessa is the true crime podcast from the BBC World Service

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All episodes of Hollywood Exiles from the BBC World Service and CBC are available now. Search for Hollywood Exiles wherever you get your podcasts. Ray was searching for something and a bit further north in England, so was Annika. When I was in the pub in Oxford with Ray on that sunny day, Annika was there too. She was quieter though, more reserved. Today, Annika and Ray are friends, but growing up, they didn't know each other. I was from a working-class family.

My dad was a bus driver, my mum used to work at McDonald's, but I never felt like we were poor. Your life was good. Annika's really striking when you first meet her. She's tall, with blue eyes and has a head of bright curly ginger hair. Both my parents were devout Christians, charismatic, evangelical. I can't remember a time when our family life did not revolve around church. Weeknights at a Bible study, falling asleep on someone else's couch while my parents read the Bible, colouring on the pews, you know, while the sermon was going on in the background. Like Ray and Carla, Annika

was baptised in her teens and it was recorded on home video. It was very natural to me to be part of a Christian community. A community that would be there for her in tough times. My mum was very sick around the age of 10. So she passed away of breast cancer. Seeing my mum go through that pain, I had a deep-rooted fear inside me watching my mum die of that disease. As hard as it was, it meant she became really close to her dad.

So it was just me and my dad, and me and my dad were like best friends. After her mother died, Annika and her father joined a new church that pushed the Christian evangelical view, a very literal, alive sense of Jesus and God, like the one Ray had found. Speaking in tongues, healing, hearing God audibly sometimes, gaining visions, having words of knowledge and prophecy. I believed that God was inside of me. I believed that God was walking next to me. And my whole purpose in life was to seek his face.

And for all the teaching in the church, something was lacking. Like Ray, she wasn't seeing God when she needed him most. Like Rae, she wasn't seeing God when she needed him most. They were talking about the Bible coming alive, about we believe in miracles, we believe in healing, but then I'd ask myself, where are all these healings? I'm not seeing any. So tell me about the first time you came across or heard of this mysterious prophet in Nigeria.

It was a Sunday service when our friend's dad came to the front crying. And I'd never seen this man cry before. And he was like, and he couldn't get his words out. He was so choked up and so emotional. And he said, I've seen miracles. I've seen Jesus. I'd never heard anything like this before. And I was like, where is this place? This is what I've been looking for. This is what I've been talking about. This is what we've been praying for, you know, and it exists. From then on

I just plowed him with questions, where have you been? Where are you seeing this? It's shown me. He invited me and a couple of other young people from the youth to his family home and he showed us some videos. The same videos Ray had seen. One video made a particular impression on Anika. It was of a woman, apparently cured of breast cancer, the same disease that killed her mum. Just seven days after, Tony came and testified that today she is perfectly healed.

I've never seen anything like it since. The power of God is played through his anointed servant. This is what Jesus would have done. This is amazing. This is wonderful. This is wonderful. It was just miracle after miracle. And then slowly I saw the man who was praying for all these people. It was the same man. I was like, who is this man?

Ray and Annika didn't know each other, yet. But they both decided they needed to go and see the man performing these miracles. He was far away, in Lagos, Nigeria. But that didn't matter. Local churches across England were organising tours to visit this healer. I thought, this is incredible, I've just got to get my money together. And I worked in the kitchens at a local residential home to earn the money as a student to pay my flight to go out to Nigeria.

Annika was getting ready too. I put a calendar on my wall and crossed off every day, flight to go out to Nigeria. Anika was getting ready too. I put a calendar on my wall and crossed off every day, countdown of when I was going to go, 30 more days until I go, 29 days until I go. I was so excited. It was like I was going to go into a time machine and travel back to biblical times and I was going to meet Jesus. I was stepping into those videos. Hallelujah.

Put your hands together properly for Jesus Christ! The crowds, the excitement, the Holy Spirit atmosphere. I was going to step into the screen and be there. When I first got to Lagos Airport, we told them that we were going to the Synagogue Church Four Nations. Oh, go through, go through. Annika and Ray had arrived in the most populated city in Africa, a sea of concrete, traffic. The heat hits you like a hairdryer.

It was an experience travelling through the town to get to the church. And as we turned onto the drive of the church, immediately you know you're going into a secure place. It's guarded with gates and there is guards with guns and that made me feel very secure. Carla, Ray's friend, was less sure. The people in the car were not what I expected. When I'd gone to other places in a Christian capacity, they'd be like, oh, hello, it's so nice to see you. You know, it's so lovely. This was like, I don't know, like, it's a bit weird.

And I think that's when my head was kind of thinking, oh, am I in trouble here then there's Ray's first impression so you kind of went down a driveway in these um these vehicles that had other foreign visitors in we had a mostly South African group quite bubbly ladies quite friendly but kind of like oh isn't this great we We're going to get healed. It's so amazing. Da-da-da-da-da. What was the racial composition of those people? All white. All white. Yeah.

Ray remembers entering that small, dusty church. And we were led around this compound. It was corrugated iron roof, dirt floors. There were loads of people sweeping with brooms. There were queues and queues and queues of people, like hundreds and hundreds of people queuing up with like various ailments. And we got taken to these taps that had water running out of them. And it was explained to us that this water had been anointed and therefore it could heal because it had God's presence in it. There was great effort being put into showing how amazing

and how well cared for everybody was. They kept referring to him as the man of God. And then we were brought down into the auditorium again for the start of this service, and I was really amped. I was kind of like, oh my God, this is going to be amazing. Like, are you going to see this guy? And it was just, like, more of the same. More singing and singing and singing.

I remember at one point thinking, where's this man? Where's this dude? Like, is he ever going to come out to this service? Like, we've been here for hours. There was electricity in the air. There was an expectation, there was an atmosphere of what is going to happen. There was people everywhere and there was a hubbub. The disciples, they were carrying wires, they were running, they were getting things ready. There was always a crowd of people behind the cameras. Finally, the man in the white robe emerged, the prophet.

The first time I saw him, I think he was walking from one building to another and someone pointed out, there's the prophet. There was always a crowd of people that followed him wherever he went, just like Jesus. It was crazy. He started praying for someone and they started vomiting, like right in front of me. Maybe someone's just been healed and they're standing up shouting, I'm healed, I'm healed! And then there's like three or four girls

pointing a microphone in their mouth, encouraging them to walk. Come on, praise the Lord, praise the Lord! And there's shouting and there's people rolling in the aisle. There's people being sick. But there's such a joy, an air of praise and excitement. It's almost like being in a concert or a football match. It was like, wow, this is amazing. And it's almost too much. Ray remembers her first impression too. Standing in front of her was a

man who gave her hope. A man who might be able to help her with her biggest secret. She'd find herself at the front of a long line of people, queuing for their moment to be touched by the prophet. I can't remember whether he touched me or not. All I remember is it was quite an aggressive sensation and I found myself being hurled backwards into the dirt in front of everybody and then pushed back up again and then he like did it again but it was really like quite I remember being quite shocked and thinking my god this is actually like this is pretty vigorous

like to the ground and you're up again and you're down again and then I was kind of dragged to what was then like a central altar. It was like a circle. And he told me like I needed to go there and sort of confess or I need to go and pray and I was free. Like he said, I was free. When I gave my public confession, I confessed like to everything and a large part of that was to do with my homosexuality

and those thoughts and feelings I'd had. In her public confession, Ray would talk about something she'd never spoken about to anyone. Everything I ever thought I'd done wrong, I wrote it in a little book as, like, a confession, right? And then I stood up in front of all of these strangers in this massive auditorium and, like, read it all out. I remember kind of confessing to the fact that I'd got like a lustful spirit,

I got the spirit of homosexuality, I was attracted to women. I think I said that I used to undress people with my eyes, so I used to imagine people naked and it was pretty humiliating. It was like every deepest, darkest secret that I'd ever had. I just like vomited it and I was absolutely adamant I had to do this thing because if I did that, then I'd be delivered. This demonic presence would leave my life. Something you can't put into words where I felt like I'm going to be free.

I'm not going to be gay anymore. I'm going to be able to get married to a dude. I'm going to be able to have the kids I want. I'm going to be free. Ray had only planned on staying for a week. But then something happened. He had like a right-hand man, I say right-hand man, she was actually like a woman, who was always with him.

He seemed like super important. Her name was Bisola and Bisola came to me and said to me, the prophet's got a message for you. Bisola seemed to be a powerful figure within the church, but she was also warm and so welcoming. She'd bury visitors with big hugs and fill them with excitement about the miraculous things happening in the church. We'll be hearing her story later, but to Ray and Annika, she was sitting at the right hand of the prophet, doing his bidding. And what Ray didn't know was that Bisola had been watching her

very closely. He roams around looking for particular people. They don't know we are picking them, but we know what we were doing. Ray, or Rachel by her biblical name, had caught the eye of the prophet. After the service, he would just call me.

He said, that girl, Ojeniko Durosibi, why don't you ask her to stay here? Rachel was behaving like a boy, and that, I believe, attracted him. Bisola said to me, do you want to study education or do you want to study Jesus?

While Ray had felt something profound at the church, her best friend Carla had not. It was like he was Jesus. Everyone thought he was amazing and he hardly spoke to anybody. To me it was between me and God. I didn't need a middleman and I didn't understand why there was a middleman. Carla wasn't asked to stay but Ray had been chosen. Among the hundreds of foreign visitors who'd come to the church on that trip, the prophet had picked her. That popular, smart, outgoing girl was about to give up

everything she had ever known. Her degree, her family, her friends. She was about to become a disciple. a disciple. Carla remembers her drive back to the airport in Lagos. Ray was sitting next to her. They agreed to let her come in the car with me to go back to the airport. And actually, I remember sitting in the car. This is the worst.

This is a bit where I might cry. I might need a minute, sorry. We're sitting in the back of the car and I'm holding her hand and we're just looking at each other and basically trying to tell each other that it's going to be okay. And it's the last time I ever saw her.

Sorry. So, so stupid, but... Literally literally that is the last thing i have is just holding a hand and that's the last time the rachel that i knew ever existed Thanks for listening to World of Secrets, Season 2, The Disciples, from the BBC World Service. This is Episode 1 of 9. Thank you to everyone around the world who spoke to us and shared their stories for this investigation. We want as many people as possible to hear their stories, so please do tell others about World of Secrets. And where you can do, rate and leave a review. We'd be really grateful and it really does help. This season of World of Secrets is produced by BBC Audio Documentaries and is presented by me, Yemi Siadigoke, and Charlie Northcott. It's been made in collaboration with BBC Africa Eye,

with original investigation by Charlie Northcott and Helen Spooner. The producer is Rob Byrne. The executive producer is Georgia Catt. The series editor is Philip Sellers. At the BBC World Service, the senior podcast producer is Georgia Katt. The series editor is Philip Sellers. At the BBC World Service, the senior podcast producer is Lee Trung. And the podcast commissioning editor is John Manel. Thank you again for listening.

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