Worst Case Scenario with Abi Clarke and Julia Stenton - Day 19 - Andy Warhol

Episode Date: September 27, 2023

The leading light in the pop art movement, Andy Warhol was a true icon of the 20th century. On June 3rd 1968, writer Valerie Solanas shot Warhol at The Factory, his central studio. Valerie authored the s.c.u.m. manifesto and many plays as well which was seemingly the fuse for the assassination attempt.From Warhol's early life, reshaping of the art world, to the impact of the attempt of his life, Julia takes Abi through it all.Send in your own worst case scenario to [e-mail] and please follow the podcast on Instagram @wcspod for video extras.Theme tune by the brilliant Crizards who can be found on Instagram @crizards Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Get attacked by an angry shark Stuck up a mountain in the dark Pushed off the top of a big landmark Hit by lightning in your local park Caught in a downpour of acid rain Struck by meteor or a train A proton beam passing through your brain Attacked by that angry shark again

Hear how they survive Trappled by a herd of buffalo Chaste with an axe by your new friend Joe Burried alive in a pile of snow It's the worst case scenario. It's a big day. Neil has a microphone. I'm so excited.

I'm scared. You're scared? He can finally talk back. And he's in the room today as well. Just for this moment. Oh my God. He's got like a proper official one as well. We've fully got one out.

He's got a muff and everything. A mic muff. Neil came in today and said that he has had a worst case scenario and was willing to go on record yeah so here he is without further ado can you do the housekeeping

please oh my god I hate it already I hate it already but loud drops back and his hair is grown back he looks kind of normal now anything oh careful oh you're so cute don't ever get a haircut again he's going this week okay housekeeping

loud drop's the podcast dog we're drinking margarita slash piss this is worst case scenario it's a survival story podcast those were the right words not quite in the right order yeah we do we make a survival little toolkit every week using items that people in the stories we're telling have used to survive in the hopes that we can one day survive ourselves should we find ourselves in the worst case scenario wow you really read my eyes there that was the first time you've ever

listened to me um telekinesisicely we're in sync now sure um are you on your period as a while no but i feel like every week you are no i actually it's uh got two days two days ago okay can down the desk can't wait um anyway what oh oh no no he wanted us see the housekeeping first he's still looking at us follow follow the podcast follow rate review at wcs pod if you want to follow us on instagram or ticot yes send us your worst case scenarios to help at wcs pod dot com yeah i feel like we've overloaded them now i feel Like, actually...

Is that enough housekeeping for you? I think that's too much housekeeping. And actually now they're not going to listen to any of it. But sure, fine. All right, Neil, off you go. So I think, as mentioned last week, I am moving in with my girlfriend, which is a big step.

They all right. I need to brag. All right. So I am moving from a flat to a house. Yeah, she does all right for herself. Yeah. Whoa. What does she do?

Uh, not entirely sure. Other than you. So, she has... has a house and it has a garden and i thought i would make myself useful and do some gardening basically she i have a daughter she has a son so they're very happy and her son used to have a hamster no now i was clearing a weeding bed with a fork just to get some you know roots out and i may have inadvertently stabbed through the coffin of seven stuff I'm so glad you didn't say corpse

I thought it was going corpse Coffin, hilarious, that's fun I was picturing a skewered guinea pig I was pitching a skewered Yeah Wait how good was this coffin What was the material She bought was the design

So this is it So I raised the coffin out of the ground I went oh what's this unusual Fortnamamason's jar Ooh High High end coffin TIN sorry Like a biscuit tin

Was it like a goo puddin And you like pierced the foil No so it was I think like a biscuit tin and then you'd cut like a seat yeah so i um so i'd gone straight through the metal then went what's this opened it up and what was how how yes how would just some very very tiny little bones um so i closed it back there was a guinea pig hamster hamster yeah so i closed it back up and um because we were together when the hamster died but i didn't know where or when it had been you went there for

the burial for the funeral. Yeah, so basically threw it in the bin. You threw it in the bin. You're really? Shut up. Not digging a hole. That's fine.

You put it back. You free bury it. If anything, that's only going to happen again the next time you're doing the garden. There's a dog in the scenario now. Yeah. Whatever. That hamster's coming back now.

It was laid to rest. Oh, side note about this hamster, right? It used to belong to Gary Kemp from Spandale Ballet. Stop it. I don't know who that is. Of course. Okay, Roman Kemp's uncle.

Sorry, you need to go younger, younger than Roman Kemp, please. What's his son called? Is he got a son? Yeah, Roman is the son. Oh, Roman's the son. He's the dad. Martin. Martin.

Well, it's one of the Kemp's, I don't know. It's basically this poor hamster got past. The long line of NEPA babies. How did that happen? Wait, yeah. Girlfriend's friend is friends with his daughter and something about it got, it got past. down and landed up. Hamsters don't live that long.

That's why the hamster was buried in a Fortimer Mason. Probably. Family money. I think it was about two and a half when it died. Bless, and it's called noodle, bless him. Oh, IP noodle. Rest in peace, noodle. Because most people, if you have a Fortnomer Mason tin, you're keeping that.

That's your biscuit tin now. Those are fancy tins. I don't know of these tins. Really? I'm so sorry. You know Fortinem Mason? No. Okay.

Okay. It's like, it's a fancy department store in London, yeah. Like, people come from miles around. No, I was going to say like Hamleys. That's a toy shop. Yeah. Well, it's like a food hamlets. You need to think older.

Like a food hamlet. Yeah. Yeah. I'm worried at what age you are trying to project that you are now. Are we just going toddler? I'm going for like not even born yet. Right. Okay.

You know, it doesn't. Yeah. I only know Hamleys. Still to discover the entire world. No, I actually got something that is. aged me. This is, this might be a bit dark. Darker than the hamster kebab. So much darker.

Is that, was that the, was that the, the end of the worst case as well? Well, no, I think that worst case scenario is going to continue and have second part because I think you've unearthed a soul there. Yeah, and you haven't, you haven't put him back down to rest. Him, her? Him. Him. That's the film I want to see.

That hamster's coming back to you. He's, he's at the great, he's in the great landfill in the sky now. Pet Cemetery, like three. What? Just at the great landfills. fill in the sky oh my god you're not fit to be a father nil right fucking how it did go dark you know my parents are clearing out the house yeah and we discovered my great supermodel qualifications supermodel yeah um they discovered something a bit darker this week and my dad sent me it and uh

okay wait let me find it um father Is he in your phone as father? No, just in a weird mood. I've got a message, more clearing out, you've always had the best celebrity chums. This is the picture I received. Can I also say the background, it's on like a plain white background

as if crime scene evidence. Okay. So it's a paper bag that it... It's a paper bag that has been... been flattened and honestly it looks brand new like there isn't a crinkle on this paper bag it's been kept in a sandwich bag to stay fresh it's not been used for its intended purpose and in um bubble writing red flag it says to abigail with love from ralph harris and he's done a quirky little self-portrait. So I googled Rolf Harris signatures to see if it was real and he always does that

little drawing, that little cartoon. So we can authenticate it. So I can authenticate that I have officially got the signature of a paedophile. Wow. And your parents have lovingly kept it. Pristine. Pristine in the family house. All three children got one. Oh wow. You cornered Rolf for a while. And I said what And my dad said You were all big fans It's because he did Animal Hospital Who wasn't a big fan?

Apparently mum met him at the BBC in the canteen And asked him to sign sandwich bags for you Wow I don't know what to do with that now I mean Bin it Burry at Neil's Garden Yeah

Stick it in a poured of a mason tin How mad is that? I definitely wouldn't show people that's a well I've shown you now that's my big news of the week so but you weren't there that might be

Neil's jealous you can see him in his eyes he's jealous I don't think that's jealousy that's legit much I think that is concerned and we will

and we will do we need to get lawyers involved we will be auctioning that off at our first live show So any other Rolf fans? Come along to that. Jesus Christ. Mad, that?

I think that's the best. That does age you. I was going to say, that ages me. That ages me. Animal Hospital aged you. To be honest, I was surprised. I love that you were like, who's Gary Kemp?

But you know, animal fucking hospital. I'm a fucking fan. Roll Paris. Was Martin Kemp not problematic enough for you? Is that? Yeah, like a bad boy. Oh, God. Are we ready?

Yeah. Okay. Boy, am I ready? I know. So this has two of my favourite things. True crime. Mm-hmm. And famous people.

Oh, yeah. I deal. Great. So. Well, what's the crime? it's a survival story abby it's a survival story so we're fine we're technically fine 1968 oh yeah Andy Warhol is in the lift do you know how Andy Warhol is oh my god I was like when I say Andy Warhol she's gonna go crazy oh is he an artist yes Campbell soup Marilyn Monroe yeah yeah yeah

Okay, so Andy Warhol is in a lift going up to his office in Union Square, New York City. New York. He's having a lovely chat just with a couple of people who are in there. Other people. Other people in the, yeah, he's not talking to himself. Having a chat in the lift,

he goes up, goes up to the floor he's going to, walks out, and then all of a sudden, one of the people he was talking to, pulls out a gun, shoots him in the stomach. What? Dun-d-d-da-dun. Okay, let's go back. I'll give you a bit of context. because I thought you would instantly know who Andy Warhol is.

So here we go. Andy Warhol, undoubtedly one of the most famous artists of the 20th century. For sure, for sure. He's a huge part, always a huge part of the creation of the pop art movement, which made art accessible to everybody by taking everyday images and presenting them as fine art. So before him, art was kind of this untouchable. The artists were, you know, mythical, inaccessible people.

and art was only for the very, very rich and so the pop art movement really made art accessible for everybody because they also, they mass-produced it. He poked fun at capitalism by making silk prints of well-known brands like Brillo, Coca-Cola, Heinz ketchup, Campbell's Soup. He actually loved Campbell's Soup so much. He ate soup every single day for 20 years. I eat soup every day.

Do you? Yeah. You and Andy? Warhol, there you go. That's just because I'm a fussy eater. Maybe he was too. He used images of film stars like Marilyn Monroe, but he also platformed less represented people like drag stars and trans stars, bringing them to the mainstream audiences. But he felt like he didn't really fit in growing up and so he gravitated towards those kind of people in his art. So he created art and pretty much every medium he made

some very saucy films with lots of naked men he made one film called Blowjob which is just the camera on just blowing soup just blowing it till it's cool enough to eat yeah no it's just a it's just a shot on a man's face as he receives a 30 minute

oh artsy yeah that's just like movies now like movies are you watching Just like in movies, like if they have to show a sex scene, they just film their face, don't they? Yeah, like, if you're watching a movie, if you go to, like, I don't know if you've heard of movies, right? Well, you do. I've heard of it. You go to, well, it's just on Netflix now, but you go to cinema, sit down, they tell your story.

Probably at some point in that story, someone ends up having sex. Yeah. The woman, she goes down, out of shot, you stay on the man. Mm-hmm. Right. And that can just be like a 12 now. Right. Maybe they got inspiration from... Like I think I've seen Ashton Coucher do that like multiple times.

So his studio was called The Factory because they mass produced. He had lots of people working for him. But it also became the hub of like the 1960s art scene in New York. Everybody who was anybody was there. So he was born Andrew Warholer in Pittsburgh in 1928. His parents were very religious and original. originally from Eastern Slovakia. And he was a sensitive and artistic child

who suffered from a condition called Sidnam Korea, which caused his limbs to move involuntarily and then he stayed home a lot of the time. He was also picked on a lot by kids for the way that he looked. He'd lost pigment in patches on his face, and so they'd call him names and stuff for that. And so because he was home so much,

he got really into comics and magazines, which then obviously had had an impact on his work later on. I watched Spider-Man into the Spider-verse recently. Oh, it's good, isn't it? And that's, like, all done like a comic. Yeah. It's really cool.

Do you know Spider-Man was a comic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally missed that that was what that film was. And then I was watching it, I was like... That it was like a comic? Oh, this is... Did you... This looks like a comic book.

And then, like, when you ever... You can pause it, and it's never blurred. Okay. What do you mean? so it's in like if there's like a big action sequence in that film yeah it's been designed so that if you like pause it at any moment in that film it'll look like a still from a comic book rather than ever being like being blurred that it's never blurry that you can pause at any point and it's like could look like the front cover of comic book oh that's cool right yeah finally

she's on board very cool very cool fact I was just thinking surely if you pause this is what happens when you start dating boys they give you facts I don't know why I say dark dating boys i was going to say i've always dated boys men we've got that yeah steady and and as soon as you said i watched uh spider man into the spider i'm like that wasn't your choice and then when you're watching the movie they give you facts and sometimes the facts are actually quite interesting yeah they do love to give you facts that's true okay he moved to new york city in 1949 at the age of 21 he was ready to take the out scene by storm but like most moving to the big city to follow your dreams stories reality sets in and Andy realizes he has to make a living he

manages to do this as a commercial illustrator which at least is still arty yeah yeah so he's drawing images for you sure the suit one wasn't just an ad well no it wasn't but um but obviously this is his background and so it was kind of a natural he actually like cold called big companies to go and work for it like he called tiffany's and was like i'm a really good illustrator i can come and do your uh so cool to your ads yeah okay so um so he starts to make a name for himself he holds some smaller exhibitions uh people like his stuff he gets a lot of buzz and then he opens the factory. The factory quickly becomes the place to be seen.

So people like Mick Jagger, Bob Dylan, David Bowie, Baskia, Debbie Harry, Keith Herring, Liza Minnelli, all the big boys. Yeah. But also the people who were just part of the art scene who weren't famous were also like welcome at the factory. So it was a place for people to really mix and like hang out with the cool kids. Like the Edinburgh Fringe. Like the Edinburgh Fringe.

exactly like the Edinburgh Fringe with fewer fucking clowns. Sorry, I was talking the other day. Clowns are always there, Julia. I got stuck in Edinburgh. Clowns always find their way in. Every time I was at a party, I got stuck talking to a clown.

And I, I'm sorry. Hey, you're lucky you got one of the chatty ones, some of them just mime. I would rather that. I would rather that. Clowns take themselves so serious. For people who famously are just there for a laugh, they take themselves so seriously.

It's an art film. It takes years of train. my god it truly grinds my gears so much um clowns clowns ran edinburgh this year they really did they really you could not swing a cat for a clown it's weird because like you wouldn't think it but the clowns are actually like no i'm gonna say this and you're like absolutely not but i feel like they're like the book the cool kids absolutely not they're like really intimidating and like they're like they like swang around they got their own little that little place by by um with the

the blunderbuss yeah they got their own little like air and stuff one of them one brunt's got talent I mean they're taken over Julia they are and I don't like it I know I don't like it at all it's because I'm the one who would just like change to fit in with them

I'll accept their ruling yeah you'll pretend to be trapped in a box if it helps I just I it's because I they made me do it at uni and I hated every minute of it and everybody who came in to like teach us about it was so serious

and it just sucks all the fun out of it and every clown I've subsequently met has done the same thing and I just think it's bullshit. I saw a clown pop salt out of her vagina. Okay. Sure that was a clown? Yeah.

She had a popcorn maker on her head so she came out fully nude and she did some hula hooping she was actually really good at hula hooping. So she was hula hooping and then she had a popcorn machine on her head that she plugged in and it started making popcorn

and then they started playing popcorn and do do do do do do do and then she started covering her body in butter as the popcorn started coming out of her head all while hula hooping and then she was like I need salt I need salt and then just went whee and then just popped salt out of her vagina and then put salt all over herself and that was the end of the night

they didn't have anyone follow that you can't you know how could you big laugh was it uh no would go again would go again yeah also i went to stamp town and i watched karen gillan give birth to an to a adult woman dressed as a baby covered in blood and then she gave a stand-up set they're always dressed as giant babies yeah but a boy baby so like it was kind of political and she had like like a little penis and little balls and then she like did stand up that only like a baby would do trying to go for newcomer oh and Karen Gillen you know the one from marble I know I know I know I just stood at the back just like oh wow strange world really yeah good god only at the Edinburgh fringe

I cannot believe you would go and see that again what the popcorn woman well I No, I wouldn't go see her solo show. Right, okay. But I would go see a cabaret of which she's part of. There was also a man who, basically his whole act was just how big his penis was. I was just going to call. Yeah, you, that's Julia just choking on the penis.

It was so big. He's not in the room. We could get him in, probably. We could probably hire him out. Yeah. Let's do that. I bet he's. If we ever do a live show, let's get penis man.

Oh my God. So he was also like really talented. with a whip um he like would whip like the heads off roses just like then he did then he did some fire breathing and then his big reveal was that he had a huge penis that he had like pumped up backstage and then tied off and then sorry rewind I know what he he he tied off this is this is what art is now fucking can't do all. He tied.

He tied, what? His penis off. You keep saying the same thing. So he got an erection. Yeah. It was really funny actually because when it was his turn to perform, they had to be like, he's not ready yet. We need to get some, and they had to like change the order.

And then he came on. I was like, oh, that's what he was getting ready. So he'd get erect. And then he had a penis pump. So he'd pump it up to make it like even bigger. And then he'd have to tie it off so all the blood stayed there. right because then he's got to do like a three minute long performance so he's so he doesn't have to think about like keeping the erection he's like tied it off the blood's like still there

so there's like a hair tie at the bottom at the base of his dick i couldn't see this i only i only found this out after that the way he kept it was he tied it off as why i was told right because i did inquire of course looking for tips yeah she's working on the solo show yeah and then um so then he would like kind of like he did like a bit of a burlesque he revealed his penis he revealed his yeah then he set his penis on fire yeah and then his big last thing only like a little bit like a little like who tap tap tap tap and then he attached the end bit was he attached a rose to the end of the penis set the rose on fire and then whipped and the rose was like right by his penis so if it goes wrong he whips his penis and then he whipped the head off the rose but it went slightly wrong and it set his penis on fire

again and then he was like and that was his act what I'm saying is I think you should give clowning a Charles. If anything, you've just doubled down on my belief of how ridiculous clowning is. Okay, so one person particularly keen to become involved in the factory scene was Valerie Solanis. Valerie is an interesting character. So she had a really tough upbringing. She was, um, she was abused by several men in her family, um, at fifth.

she left home, then fell pregnant twice. Both children were put up for adoption. So she had a really difficult start. But Valerie was very intelligent. She got her degree in psychology from the University of Maryland. She enrolled in a graduate program at Minnesota, but dropped out to attend Berkeley instead. Where she came out...

Oh, so while she was at Berkeley, she came out as a lesbian and wrote the Scum Manifesto. Now Scum... Um, stands for, can I guess? Go on. Gum. Um, seriously, no, that's a swear word. I can't think of what's something for C.

Underdeveloped men. No. Oh, okay. Seriously something underdeveloped men. Is that your game? Um, no, okay, give me another guess. Is the M men? Yes.

Yes. Okay. No, okay. Just men. I know it's about men. It's about men. It is about men. Yes.

Scum stands for Society for Cutting Up Men. Oh. Yeah. No, I would never have guessed that. Yeah, I didn't think you would. Its main goal was to overturn capitalism and men. She believed men should be eliminated. Apparently, people would go to her.

Ha ha! That's a good one. That's funny. and she'd be like, no, I'm not, I'm not joking. That was my entire school life. Happy being like, down with boys. No, just people saying, that's really funny and me being like, I wasn't joking.

This is my actual personality. Not kidding. Actual thoughts and feelings. That definitely hasn't had a knock-on effect into your adult life, so that's fine. No, yeah. So for two years, she obsessively wrote and rewrote her manifesto

until it was published in 1967, self-published obviously. Okay. She sold copies to men for $2.50. Oh, I'm sure they really wanted to buy it. And to women for a dollar. Oh. Yeah. So in the

1950s, where the norm for women was real like Stefford wife kind of vibe, where like the hair was perfect in the like, you know, those kind of fancy dresses, pearls, all of that. Yeah. She did not fit in. Okay.

Heavy eyeliner, metaphorically. Metaphorical heavy eyeliner, sure. Yeah, yeah. In 1962, she moved to New York where she felt much more free to be herself, obviously. Big city, there are lots of people who are. So much coffee. Living their best lives. A lot of coffee, sure.

You're not going to try and do the accent, Julia? No, I'll leave that to you. That's yours. Come on. Have a quoth. me wow great stuff pizza bye so she moved to you got any more in the time um part no oh oh oh oh oh oh i'm walking here there we go i was waiting for that one okay so she moved into the chelsea hotel do you know anything about the chelsea hotel no of course

Okay, so the Chelsea Hotel is very, very famous in New York. It was a place for, so people used to, artists and people used to have really long-term tenancies at the hotel, Chelsea. So I'll give you some facts about the hotel Chelsea. Alan Ginsberg, famous poet. No. He lived there for a while. Dylan Thomas.

He was staying there. in room 205. That's so Dylan. Right? That's so Dylan. When he became ill and died several days later in a local hospital of pneumonia.

Classic Dylan. Oh, Sid Vicious from the Sex Pistols. Yeah. He, you might know this because it's a true crime story. They did a film. Arthur Miller.

Yeah. Play. Play. Theater. Famously married to Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe. He wrote

a short piece called the Chelsea effect describing life at the Chelsea Hotel in the early 60s it was like so was it very showbiz real showbiz yeah but it was also like it was kind of affordable I think and so like that's why lots of artists were drawn to it and then they would stay there for long

long period of time some people still do so then they changed the rules that it became like a normal hotel but some people had agreements that they could still live there so there are some people who have lived there since then just ongoing residents.

Cool. Who are, yeah, Rty people, I think that was quite cool. Okay. While living at the Chelsea Hotel, she met publisher, Maurice Deroidius,

and signed a contract to publish the Scum Manifesto, but she became incredibly paranoid, misinterpreting the contract, and believing that she was signing away her rights to all her future writing. so she didn't really understand she was also quite mentally ill

and she was very paranoid about people stealing her work so you thought that Gerodeus and Andy Warhol were out to steal and take credit for her work but Gerodeus and Andy Warhol hardly knew each other she just like had made that assumption by this time she'd managed to get

onto the periphery of the factory scene she meets Andy and he casts her as a bit part in his film I Am Man which is quite ironic given her stance on me oh no he he threw her this bone because she had repeatedly tried to get him to produce her play which was called Up Your Ass which I thought was going on it so she sent him the script which he'd then lost so he was a he essentially kept everything

he had like loads of storage facilities and stuff had he was a big hoarder or like I don't know cataloger I don't know he just kept everything like everything he was sent he kept but he lost her script

amongst all of the stuff and later on they found it when one of the museums were going through all of his stuff to display for an exhibition they found her script but he had lost it and she was like

determined to get him to produce it he read it before losing it and he joked when she asked for feedback he joked that it was well typed and offered her a job as a typist at the factory fuck off yeah that joke did not go down well oh that's bad with Valerie

she believed the script was brilliant and he hadn't lost it at all but was conspiring to steal her work so on the 3rd of June at 1968 Valerie waited outside of Andy's office building they along with other staff members get into the lift they have a little chat

then seemingly unprovoked and out of nowhere Valerie pulls out a gun and starts shooting she misses a few times but then so they're out of the lift at this point and they're walking into his office area which is like sort of an open plan office area and he falls against a desk and she presses the gun up under his arm

and shoots. Oh, why? Why? Is the armpit a specific spot? Oh, I think that's probably just where she could. I can't imagine it was very like, okay, you stay there and let me just... Usually go for like the head, not the armpit.

I think she just was going for whatever she could... Okay. She was probably at an angle where the armpit was easiest. A bullet also grazes the back of London art critic, Mario Amaya. Just as she is aiming the gun at Andy's. business manager Fred Hughes he's begging for his life then the lift door opens and she runs away so he's very lucky because she he she literally had the gun like to his head and then

the lift door dings she runs away I mean lift doors famously don't close quickly was she just like pressing the like close button she has the gun nobody's running into that yeah but why why is she trying to escape well because she's done she's came in to shoot Andy she's done that she doesn't want to kill him and now she's off well he was she probably assumed he was dead she thinks she's killed him that's still got to be an awkward moment where she like runs to the lift and then just waits um yeah i don't know how long she i don't know whether that happened or whether it was i've never gotten into an elevator the doors immediately closed swiftly and gone yeah there's always a little yeah she's just like looking around yeah

To be fair, I think it could have, the doors could have been open for a while. Everybody's probably more concerned with checking if Andy Warhol is dead or not. Still, I'd take the stairs. He had his own TV show, like station. He also kind of predicted TikTok. He said that everybody would be, in the future, everybody would be famous for 15 minutes. And he was obsessed with like chronicling everything. Like he said some pretty dodgy stuff where, so Edie Cedric, for example, she was one of his muses.

and he said, I wonder when Edie is going to kill herself. And he said, when she does, I hope she lets us film it. But then also, he did say after getting shot, he did say, I wish somebody was filming it.

Oh, for sure, though. He was always thinking about the content. All of these. What's the point of a survival if you don't have record of it? Yeah. Unfortunately, Edie Cedric did then die of a drug overdose. So she's only she,

him because he lost her play. Yeah, well, because she's convinced that he is trying to steal her play. Right. And she thinks that he is in cahoots with Girodeus, who she's signed a contract with. But they've only signed a contract to publish the Scum Manifesto. She thinks he then has rights to everything she writes from then on. Uh-huh. Okay, so she discharges five shots from her gun, one bullet,

hits Andy. One of them grazes Mario and the other four. Wasted. Wasted. But Andy kept them though. I bet he did. I bet he did. Valerie hands herself into police telling them that Andy had too much control over my life. Okay so afterwards Andy was clinically dead on arrival at the hospital but was saved by the surgeons. He was in the hospital. He was in the hospital. recovering for two months he suffered damage to his lungs spleen esophagus liver and stomach there's a picture so many things yeah it's amazing that he survived really because it it did some it went through so many organs yeah just luckily not the important ones get his appendix as well your stomach and liver and lungs are pretty important yeah but like you can live with one lung a stomach can like it's not

immediate death can you live with one lung yeah Yeah. Oh, you can. Wow. Yeah, I know someone who's lung collapsed. Wow. Yeah, she was like, it was like at school and it was a swimming lesson. And she was someone that would quite often be like, I feel a bit ill at PE. But she was like, no, I really feel bad. Yeah.

The teacher was like, get in the pool and swim. And then like while swimming, her lung collapsed. And that teacher felt very, very bad. I bet. I bet. But she only has one lung. Wow. I assumed after a lung collapse they just blow it back up. You are?

I assume they just like reinflate the lung after it's collapsed. But I think they can remove it. Oh wow. Yeah. If it's too damaged. Blimey. That is interesting. Look at that.

Hey, I knew something you didn't. Just put once. That's very cool. Okay, there is an incredible picture that he took. He took quite a few. pictures of himself he's taken one where so he had to wear a surgical corset and his whole torso is it like genuinely holding his organs in yeah wow he had to wear it every day so his his torso is covered in scars like all different directions like he literally looks like he's been patched up okay incredibly

and he didn't press charges against Valerie his reasoning was that people that she was acting authentically to her she's just a person who shoots people what an excuse yeah that's just me that's just like my vibe yeah that's just like what i do it's my thing so his whole like philosophy on life is that everybody should live authentically and what's her name again valerie salar that's just that's just that's just so valerie um i hate that though when people do use that to like um um a allow their behaviour when they're like, oh, but that's just then. I hate it when people go. That's just them.

You just have to get to know them. And it's like, no, I don't want to you then. No. You have to get to, they are a bitch at first, but you just get to have to know them. There was a guy at my uni who was just like a nightman, a bit of a creep. And they were like, but that's just him. Yeah. He's just so silly.

That's just him. I was like, no, I think just him is a dick. Yeah. But okay. Valerie was less forgiving of herself. She told a judge that she did what, sorry. Oh, wait, Valerie wasn't the one that was like. like, I just shoot people.

No, Andy was like, she's just a person who shoots people. I'm not going to press charges. No way. That's her, yeah. Oh, well then fair enough. Fair enough, what? Take the out, Valerie. Oh.

Well. If someone else, I thought you meant she was like, guys, that's just me. I'm living authentically, that's just me. She wasn't, I didn't mean she was less forgiving of herself, as in like, she felt really bad about it. Oh, right. She told a judge that what she did was a moral act, and she considered it. immoral that she missed she was really kicking herself for those five spent bullets so she was a she

said she was a high achiever disappointed with her performance she said i should have done target practice yeah you should have really you know like yeah what are your goals in life how are you going to achieve them she she was charged with attempted murder assault and illegal possession of a gun she was found mentally unstable and remained in psychiatric custody for a year all publicity is good publicity so our friend Gerodeus the guy who has the rights to publish

the Scum manifesto now that there's some buzz around Valerie takes the opportunity Oh my God, perfect time. Why not? Nothing will sell a book like a murder trial. He publishes the Scum Manifesto and in 1968 so a year later after the trial, Valerie was deemed competent to stand trial. Sorry, after she's spent the year in the psychiatric facility. So before that though, why did that guy have the rights? Was he

interested in the book? She signed, yeah. Oh, he was interested. They met at the hotel. He was interested in it. He, he, he, when he was just holding off, he was like, I feel like this girl's got something big and big coming up. I think to be honest, I think this all happened quite quickly. Right. Okay. Um, she represented herself. which is always a good plan. That's so Valerie, though. So Valerie. She is authentically herself.

So authentically herself. She will shoot people, but she will represent herself. But she will back herself. Yeah. So she represented herself, but she did plead guilty. So it wasn't like she had to argue. Okay, that's an easy job. Yeah.

Yeah. She pleaded guilty. Of course she pleaded guilty. It's got a very famous. Exactly. So she pleaded guilty to reckless assault and intent to cause harm. She was sentenced to three years with one, year for time served three years like two years well three years for shooting somebody yeah that's

crazy is not enough i would argue especially when she like walked straight up to him like gun to skin that's scary yeah but then maybe him not pressing charges had something to do yeah probably yeah and she pleaded guilty yes still though um valary Valerie continued to write to Andy in prison in the early days she'd start these letters dear toad still sour. And then she'd go on... What does she want? She got her book published.

Yeah, she'd go on to be like very mean to him in these letters. Which just seems like you don't need to... He's in a corset for the rest of the way. Like, you see, Lauchup agrees. Loungeup's having a nightmare. That's out of order. In one letter she wrote to him after... Okay, so to begin with the letters were quite mean.

But after the manifesto is published... Ah. She's much more content. I see. And she declares, I know, longer have any hostility towards you or anyone else i feel at peace with the world and now the manifesto has been published and with all of the publicity i have the chance to earn money without being dependent on men i feel like she should have stopped there like just stop the letter there but she

carried on um i am in a much better position to deal with you gerodeus and all the other vultures that i encountered and then like then she definitely should have stopped there definitely should just stop that but she carried on uh i'm very happy you're alive and well always write the email in your notes app first right get someone to check it like you write it out you write what you want to write a different version yeah um i'm very happy that you're alive and well as for all of your barbarism you're still the best person to make movies with and if you treat me fairly i'd like to work with you oh would you she's shooting a shot i feel like andy's the kind of guy that would be like yeah that's a good story yeah like she could shoot me on camera this time

I feel like he'd be up for it. Yeah, not quite. He wasn't, yeah. I think he drew a line in the sand when she went to prison. Hey, it would be good content though. I'd watch that. Yeah, oh, definitely. Artist meets his shooter for the first time in person.

They make a film together. You're telling me that's not clickbait? That's freaking clickbait. So as well as being physically affected, Andy was traumatized by the shooting. Oh, okay. Yeah. He was terrified of it happening again,

constantly on the lookout for anyone who looked even vaguely like Valerie he was absolutely right to be scared because in 1971 Valerie was released in prison but continues to stalk him oh no but she's just being authentically herself she's just the kind of galie stalks she's a stalky gal

stalky kind of gal by the mid-70s Valerie gets back to writing and produces what she believes to be the purest form of the scum manifesto still sticking with the skum manifesto Maybe like try a new idea. Put that to bed, I think. Put this girl manifest into bed.

Let's work on the difficult second album. You've got to get the first one out the way. Yeah. And you did that and it was a hit. It was. Now let's move on. So things are looking up for her because she's really happy with the version

of this girl manifesto she's got now. But just as this happens, her mental health takes a sudden decline. Oh no. She moves around. It was good before? Well, that was at its peak. right um so what you're telling me is that getting famous does meet you happy and it's

good for your most i'm saying i'm not sure i'm not sure if that uh yeah yeah day i i i yeah nothing right she becomes she becomes she becomes so she moves around a lot she experiences several breakdowns she becomes consumed with a paranoid ideation that there are there's a transmitter in her uterus communicating messages to the mob Oh my God Yeah and at one point She even tries to remove it with a fork

No Yeah It's a really sad end for Valerie Like she For somebody who was like Clearly so intelligent And had so much potential Like it is proof that

Like Without the support What is Right Things can go really very bad um okay andy has ongoing health issues in the wake of the shooting and develops an overwhelming fear of hospitals he's also still part of the new york party scene and is taking a lot of speed and valium it's like speed at the party valium to calm down um which is not good for the body he also like

is very um has a lot of issues around food and like isn't necessarily like looking after himself particularly well um he eventually develops an infected gall bladder which he tries to cure holistically until it becomes completely unbearable and he submits to medical intervention so after being in the hospital for the gunshot he's like I never ever want to be in hospitals again he lets it get so bad that when the um surgeon is operating his gall bladder like falls apart in his hand yeah it's so like rotten um in 1987 he goes in for the for routine gallbladder surgery obviously it's routine if the gallbladder hasn't gone this far he actually survives the surgery but his heart stops like the next day i think yeah um just over a year after

andy dies valerie also dies from pneumonia apparently valerie was called up by somebody from the factory to say oh andy's died and she just didn't even acknowledge it she's like oh can i just ask you a question about like publishing rights for this thing jesus there is a film called i shot andy warhol about valery and the shooting and there's also a book called the defiant life of the woman who shot andy warhol uh by brianne farz and also there is an amazing documentary on uh netflix where i can't remember it's called now but it's It's called like the Andy Warhol tapes or diaries or something. Well, he wrote a diary and they've got like an AI to read it.

Love it when they've written a diary. It's so good. Not enough people write diaries anymore. What are we going to make Netflix documentaries from in a few years? I know. Well, I guess it'll be people's vlogs just playing people's vlogs. Oh God, it will, yeah. Yeah, I cannot recommend that in that.

If you're in any way interested in Andy Warhol, it's so... I am now. What a cool guy. Such a cool guy. Really... He didn't. fascinating yeah just the way that he like evolved yeah like any great artists yeah he evolved with the times and people were calling him irrelevant and then he like yeah he he he had

quite a long career for something like also his art is good do you mean yeah whereas sometimes where sometimes you look at art and you're like oh is it yeah is it though yeah he also did animals painted yeah yeah he did he did he did portraits this isn't another oh he did

he apparently he did he did loads of animal portraits yeah and he was a cat person yeah I love him yeah he's really interesting guy he did a limited edition print book called 25 cats named Sam and one blue pussy

that just reminds me Did you ever have that bit at school where someone went, oh, have you ever done, I'm feeling lucky on Google? And they told you to a right blue waffle. Oh, yeah. And then press, I'm feeling lucky. You've been birded by that one. That was the day my child had ended.

Well, that is the survival story of Andy Warhol. After getting shocked. Wow. Very cool. Yeah. What should we put in the survival talk? I don't really know what to put in. Yeah, because,

kind of bad aim is what helped him out yes um maybe a stricter maybe a uh a doorman a a dormant person door person though is a door person helpful in a survival toolkit when not at a door you know like can you whack him out i think so i'd like to have a door person around at all times but then you yeah you just have a bodyguard yeah we can't we can't put people oh yeah true okay um maybe just a code on the door don't give her the code strict a security but he was in the lift with her he was he was happy for her to come up yeah strict a gun policy in america all right um um did the agent help at all was it the agent that you said was with him who else met his financial manager no

oh sorry financial manager i just heard manager no no that's really hard there wasn't a specific item used to survive that maybe we should take suggestions how about living authentically or not living authentically as you're like how about we stop

just go against every natural or we just stop excusing people for being difficult and just writing off as like that's just them being them maybe question it a bit more That's not something you can put in a bag though

I don't know Bulletproof vest I mean yeah it would have been handy Her script If you'd never lost it in the first place How's that helping us in future Something to read Something to pass the time

When we're stuck down a canyon Yes I think that's pretty good Or just like a filing cabinet right something to keep your affairs in order yes how did she know he'd lost it because she asked for it back and he said i've lost it photocopier then okay make copies yes of the bad scripts of all the scripts right this would not have been an issue if she had kept the original okay and just given him a copy yes yes then it doesn't matter if he loses it yeah she can make him a new one i don't know that that may not

have been the only copy. Why'd she want it back then? Well, because her problem was that she thought that he had the, he, him having a copy was the problem. And then just get a little contract in order where he can't steal it. Hmm. Get him to sign something. Yeah.

I promise I went. Yes. I'm not interested in your ideas and I'm not going to steal them contract. Yeah. Perfect. Is that what we're putting in it? Okay. Okay.

There we go. I promise not to steal your ideas contract. Yes. In the survival. talk it done Abby have you got a listener story for me yeah sorry I was watching loud drop sleep um

he's so cute you were riveted by my story he's so cute look at him he is adorable please never cut his hair again Neil I can't even see his eyes he's like the little dog from the little mermaid just like one big mop oh

so cute okay listener stories um yeah i got a couple great you want him yes please if you also have a listener stories send them to us help at wcspod dot com that's an email address baby so slick look it up okay um so this one spelt my name wrong but we'll move past it right okay this time that is a but i won't be taking shit like this again right okay it's a b b y right okay I know the spelling makes sense. Take Abigail, split it in half. You're left with the ABI.

Where are you getting the extra B's from? Where the hell are you getting the E from? Where are you getting the Y from? Right. Use the letters that are in it. Okay. Hi, Ababaee. Julia, Neil and Loudrop.

A little contribution to the world of WCS. Though I'm a talker, so feel free to edit if needed. Oh, she will. That sounds like extra work for me. She will. it was a sunny oh I love the detail already actually okay I quite I like

I like a detail okay it was a sunny Saturday in June what was Robin Williams doing this is the level of detail we need that's a level of detail we want if you're going to start specifying the exact day and month do we know the year? We don't we don't know the year

so I'll like that her yes Okay. It was a sunny Saturday in June and I was in the midst of feeding my vanity heading to the dentist for my braces check-in during a 40-minute appointment. It was also my mum's birthday weekend

so we'd planned for a family day out at the Royal Three Counties show. Sorry, let's posh this up a little bit. With a picnic and some epic homemade baking once I was done with the dentist chair get the what sorry carrie um should i continue please continue with this accent such a chameleon aren't you get the clean teeth sorted and then throw a load of birthday sugar at it nah ha ha ha ha ha it it's like not that different from your normal voice no it's just

just a little heightened upon arrival it's a little prune leaf um um took some rum in it Like, it's boozy. Just make it a little more drunk. All right, I'll go back to my normal voice. Okay. Upon arrival... No, I like it, Cario. It's a long story to keep the accent up on some of that.

Let's get through it. Upon arrival at the dentist, I was informed that the dentist was running 20 minutes late. Not ideal, but not unmanageable, and I had a good book on my Kindle. The 20 minutes... Got a Kindle. You're doing all right.

The 20 minutes... through to 30 and I messaged the family chat to let them know my partner and I might have to catch them up. I mean, you ever been to the dentist before? They're never on time. Yeah. Also, I like that we're getting the detail of like, so the text I sent was, uh, yeah, it's like literally every move that this person's made. This is the detail I like in storytelling. She's reading the Kindle, she's texting the family. They leave nothing out. Um, finally, I made it into the dentist's chair and let them crack on. I'd rather not crack anything in a dentist chair. There I was staring at the ceiling, orange goggles on my face, more fingers than I'd like in my

mouth. How many fingers would you like? What's your number? I think one is too many. Certainly if somebody else is. I think two is my max. Belisfully unaware of the turmoil outside. I was generally. just considering me how many would be too many. What's the most you have had in your mouth? What would be too many? Blissfully unaware of the turmoil outside. Turns out, letting my family and partner know of the delay

from the upstairs waiting room meant no signal and no message made it through. It also turned out that the receptionist left at noon on a Saturday, locked the door, turned the lights off, and put the phone onto voicemail, turning the surgery. into a ghost town. That's mental. Very strange.

Turning the lights off and there's people still in the... Yeah. Also Saturday is a busy day. Why you finish at noon on Saturday? Yeah. Okay. So there I was. Having my belated appointment

whilst my partner was at home wondering where I was. I'm worried about this dentist. There's nobody else in the... No, the receptionist's gone. Yeah. But like some dentist surgeries are very... small it's like just one dentist exactly so it's her and the dentist yeah everybody else has gone yeah

the doors are locked the lights are off it's strange the doors are locked i don't like this at all um she got no signal no signal message hasn't gone through it was a 40 minute appointment at 11 surely i should be walking in about now he called me no signal no answer this is good story tell he called the dentist that simply went through to voicemail and an unhelpful message that they'd open on Monday. Maybe things were running a bit late. That happens. Yeah. Two and a half hours later, I'm finally released from the chair, having no idea how long I've been there. Why didn't it take two and a half hours? Why has she lost all concept of time now? I'm so concerned. There are so many drugs in a dentist office. What has he done? Um, I've really worried that this is going to become

I'm like a police statement rather than a lighthearted podcast story. So two and a half hours later, I'm released from the chair, having no idea how long I've been there, only to walk downstairs and find my port partner had driven down to the dentist for a second time to try and find me. Whilst I'd been upstairs, he had called me, my family, and the dentist wondering if everything was okay, after the time kept on ticking. He had driven down to the dentist to see what was going on, only to not see my car. Brackets, it was parked on a back road as the usual car park was closed.

Coming from a family of warriors, relate, and perhaps not very wisely engaging with them at the time, he got offers such as maybe she had an allergic reaction and was rushed to hospital. Maybe she crashed the car on the way home and was rushed to hospital. How have you checked the hospital? Maybe she's just in hospital. All very helpful and all very keen on bumping me off in some way. Timings finally lined up and as I came back into the reception ready to pay another overpriced bill, I saw a tall, blonde, bearded man with a face like a beetroot on the other side of the shop front ready to hammer on the door.

Wondering why he looked so put out, I finally clocked the time, pardon the pun. I shall not, consider it not pardoned. And realized how much time I'd lost. Why have you lost time? This is the concern. Time should not be lost. And now there's a scary Viking outside. Like, why are we, why?

No, I think that's her husband. Oh, okay. I also lamented the missed cake opportunity that the hold-up had caused. I mean, that is the truth. The least of your eyes right now. That would be my biggest worry, actually. You know, when you got your mouth ready for something.

You know, when it's like, I'm going to have that later. Yeah. And then you end up not having it. Yeah, you've already picked which one you're having in your head. Yeah. It's like when you come out, you're like, I'm having that for dinner and someone else has eaten it. Nightmare.

It's the truest tragedy. Having paid the bill, I asked why he hadn't been called as an emergency contact given the delay. Or what the protocol was if there was a fire or someone or some other emergency in the building. Considering I had been unknowingly locked away with no access to my phone and no indication from the staff that the minutes were ticking by. Yes. For some reason, they have no idea where they've been or what's been happening. Their response whilst taking in the tension in the room was that my, like, kidnapping, didn't constitute an emergency and that we should have planned for the 40-minute appointment to take half a day. I agree, what are you expecting from the dentist?

Everybody knows it's delayed. Yes, I would expect for a dentist when I finish my appointment to still be open with the lights on. That's the bare minimum I'd asked for. But the receptionist had sat down. day plans she was off to the market she was the cinema with her kids she's got rid the three counties fair or whatever exactly um oh fucking out my hips locked oh god there we go oh gross did you hear that oh the hips of a 62 year old um right let's get back to this i guess they assumed she might have signal and could have let him know herself the family

no the dentist I wouldn't expect the dentist to call my family in their workplace they probably know that they don't have signal but it might just be her phone provider yeah yeah that'd be a great time to like run into an ad for like phone yeah get in touch um oh and that is that is the story of my accidental abduction by my dentist who eventually got fired for repeatedly being late and locking people in the building God, that was the answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got real worried that for a sec. Thanks for reading my WCS and for creating such a fab podcast to get me through hump day every week. I'm already listening back to old episodes on the days I managed to get in the garden.

Get into the garden. I wonder if she's found any hamster graves, yeah. Keep up the good work, ladies. Ladd and Laldrop. From your eager listener, Katie. Well, thanks, Katie. Where did the two and a half hours go? This is my question, Katie.

This has still not been cleared up. I don't want to dig up any. A brace is checking. A check-in. It shouldn't, none of this makes sense. I've never had a dentist appointment take that long. No. Thanks, Katie.

Thank you. That was great. Very well written. We're quite concerned for you. Slightly worrying. I hope that your braces are now off um were they braces yeah yeah yeah or you know i wonder if it was like a new dentist i wonder if it was old school dent old school braces or or behind the teeth or invisible

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