WRFH/Radio Free Hillsdale 101.7 FM - 3D Speed Chess | Boys Only #19

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

Nate and Storm chat with Owen Johnson about firearm safety, fencing, and finding things to smile about.

Who's there? Storm Drexler. Why? Because we're recording? But why are you knocking? I want to make sure that you're ready to go. You were sleeping on your couch. I was asleep before this.

Me, Nate Gallagher, was asleep. Sorry. I think for the past couple weeks, I've had to come down to your room and wake you up for this. Dude, I'm a rest. Dude, I'm restful, all right? I'm in my lane. In my lane, restful, moisturized.

Well, I'm in the zone. The boys' own. You're in the boys. You're in the boy zone. And you are too, because you're listening to Boys Only. Who's our guest this week? So my name is Hassan Piker. Today we're going to be tasing my dog in the corner of my room.

No. My name's Owen Johnson. I'm a senior at Hillsdale. Let's go. Owen on the podcast. Do you go to Hillsdale? I do actually go to Hillsville. I mean, like,

Cap. I've never seen you once in a class. Do you go to class? I don't think you've... I've had two classes with you. Yes, we have. We had Slack politics. And you made fun of my shoes every single day.

Owen dead or Dr. Slack? Oh, no. We went out of each other and just bang, bang, bang, bang, just all day long. It wasn't a good semester for Nank Gallagher and I's friendship. It was actually the best one because it started it down. It's low key. Well, we've been in double history back to back. Yeah.

Yeah. So we've got Vincenzy and now Gamble. And now Gamble. Yeah. Dr. Campbell is insane. Gambling 101, I thought I'd like to call it. This is the craziest. It's the Tuesday, Thursday, 930 history slot.

It's terrible for me. Yeah. I don't go gambling. I go winning. That's my life in my own. Get your smoochre a little close to the mic. Did you dial him in? I'm uncomfortable with this.

I'm sorry. You got to just get all up on it. Yeah, just like get really, really close. There's no way that's going to the podcast. Pretend your a SOMOry. So you'd be surprised the kind of stuff we leave in. Dude, we don't care. I didn't do anything wrong.

Yeah. So who, like, a little bit like, who are you? You're a Simpson senior. But like, who are you? Where might have people seen you on campus before we get into the convo? Right. So I'm Owen. You will not have seen me on campus.

I don't, I'm not a big participator in activity groups. Just maybe a little bit of fault of mine. However, I'm a manager at the contact center. So if you work there or know people who work there, then hey, I have a little bit of a big deal there. So it's likely that people have heard your voice. It's possible. And if your mom's call, you know, checking on you, if you've been irresponsible enough not to talk to your parents in a couple of weeks. Yeah.

Then maybe they've heard my voice. Hi. I'm Owen. Your child is all right. Thanks for calling Hillsdale College Center. My name is Owen Johnson. How can I help you today? You can, that is a banger.

That is a heater. That is a good one. I would hear that every time I call. I ring, bring. Except for the fact that I'd say contact center instead of Hillsdale College. Center. Just the center. You are calling from the center of Hillsdale College.

Is Central Hall the middle? No. Or it kind of like to work in Central Hall anyway. Not anymore. Like what's like the middle? The G. I believe the geographic center of Hillsdale campus is probably somewhere in the middle of the library. I think it's, I think it's a gate guy.

Because you've got the, it is. It's a little spot outside the library. Because you got the Splex. You have to average out the Halter Shooting Sports Center. Oh my God. That's going to put it over and that's going to put it

a mile and a half away. Yeah, I mean that's like I'm going to put it miles away. It's myr, it's definitely Meyer on Wednesday when you have to average half off.

You have to average out D.C. D.C. You got whip. Oh, so the center of Hillsville College is in Ohio. No, it's in Pittsburgh. Middle of Hillsdale College. Pittsburgh.

Go. I almost just at Phillies. Go Phillies. Classic Pittsburgh team. It's whichever of a road that has all the homeless people chirping out and family. Yeah.

Go penguins. This Sunday. The penguins play Hillsdale College Chargers. Hillsdale. We had Lewis Thune on. He wouldn't stop doing the announcer. He's like, Hills.

Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. This Sunday at WrestleMania 14. The Undertaker and to John, John Zina, fight again. Makes me excited for Smackdown. Oh, okay. That's, all right, look, last semester we talked for four straight episodes about Smackdown. We did.

We cannot start now. I just listened to the Henry Hanson episode. Yes. Holy Unk. Stop mentioning Smackdown. You're a big, big unc, bro. Your back hurt a little? It does.

Oh, my back hurts, bro. My birthday soon. Aw. Happy belated birthday storm. No, soon. Not. Happy not yet birthday storm. Happy 13.

Happy 13. Big 14 today. Yay. Dude, can you spend my little. Spenny hat. That's right. I plan on doing that. So if I called you the call center and I had questions, how many would you answer before

you're like, okay, bro? It depends on how important they are. Because the people ask a lot of questions. A lot of questions. And some of them are really, really irrelevant. Do I get to, if I don't want to answer a question, do I get to say, hey, I mean, no. If I can't help you anymore today, I'm just going to let you go.

Yeah. Yeah. That'll be your response. Yeah. Liam asked, beloved Liam. William. Why do you care about cars? Because you are like known as a car guy. Like this is pretty ubiquitous around the the general Simpson area. Hopefully not too popular among the like road in front of Mock.

Very, you are very unpopular. Mock hates to see your car coming. But we're not going to explain that joke any further. Yeah. But what what, what, why are you? Why are cars? Cars are awesome. They're as kind of, complicated as you want them to be, so you can infinitely learn more about them. And there is as simple as you want them to be. If you like red cars, then there are a plethora of red cars. If you like loud cars, there are a plethora of loud cars. Whatever floats your boat. And my philosophy is the more things that you can just see passing by you on an everyday basis that you can be like, that's cool. The happier you'll be and the more smiles you'll have every day. Because every day, Every time that I see a helicopter fly overhead or an airplane fly overhead or somebody drive by in a cool car, like, sweet. Yeah, it's awesome.

I love that. And you like notice things about them that I don't, definitely, yeah. So if you can be involved in something that you're just going to see on a random everyday basis, you're going to smile every day. Wait, that's so sweet. That was like not the answer I was expecting. That's like actually so awesome. What if I'm really interested in diagnosing starter issues as transmission issues?

If you're really interested in diagnosis of starting. That's a really big thing for me. You might want to check to make sure that the car is actually on before you call me. Classic Owen and Nate moment last year where I diagnosed a starter issue. Can I get a new story? Transmission. Yeah. Sure.

Yeah. So Nate Gallagher calls me like middle of last semester. It's been 2025 spring semester. Yeah. And it's like, hey, Owen, could you come over to Simpson real quick? My car, it's starting. I put it into gear. I think there's a problem with the transmission

and then it won't move. I'm like, yeah, no, I'll come over, give me like half an hour. I was actually half an hour away from campus, so I just turned around to come home to help him. And I get there. And I'm like, okay, just walk me through what went on here. And he goes, yeah, okay, I'll hop in.

I hop in the passenger seat, turns the key. He's like, yeah, I put it in drive, and it doesn't go anywhere. I'm like, Nate, The car's not on. But it was so confused. Like the air conditioner is blowing. Wait, how is it blowing?

I don't know. The air conditioner is not blowing. The fans that move the air conditioner blowing. The fans are controlled by electricity, which is controlled by the battery, which gets turned on as soon as you turn the key. So it's like when you have a light on the car, but the car's not on. Exactly. So the engine was not running.

Therefore, there would have been no way to know whether or not the transmission actually worked. I think the transmission's bucked up because. End of story. it ended up just being a starter motor and in a battery. Yep, it did. Save and made about $3,000 on transmission. That cars cost me a lot more than $3,000.

And somehow it didn't make it back this semester. So it's all pointless anyway. It ended its career in Ole Miss Mississippi. But I made like $50. Heck yeah, dude. Let's go. Yeah, my knowledge is not built up in cars. It's I'm pretty good.

Like, I can build you a piece of furniture. Or like talk to me about UFC fighters or something. Or do that. I have a lot of knowledge. other fields. Furniture. Just go to IKEA directions. I can build you furniture.

So can anyone ever. No, I can like cut you wood out and make you furniture. Have you done that before? Yes. I work at the scene shop. Oh, we discussed this a couple times.

Well, I didn't think there was like furniture. I can make it if I want to. It's all the same principle. Maybe it won't be particularly comfortable furniture, but I mean, it'll be furniture. If you want me to make you a stool,

I can make you a stool. That's kind of cool, actually. How long does it last for it? Does it have like a shelf life of like two weeks because that's how long. Once you sit on it, it completely shoole. shatters. Okay. Yeah, that's, that's the stuff I make is once you touch it, it's gone.

No, I can make furniture. No, I can make furniture like, like, we'll be in the room. It'll just sit over there. Yeah. Once you touch it, it's completely. Do you guys, like, have the same experience with me that when you go to, like, old people's houses, there's lots of, like, like, random chairs everywhere. Yeah. Well, they, well, they, they get winded. It's to get wind, it's to get winded. Is it? It's a re-spot points. No, it's like, no, it's like, no, it's like, it's like, I'm old. I want to it from the couch to the kitchen. I can walk, say, three feet, four feet, five feet, but I can't walk the

25 feet. Well, I've been to, like, my grandpa's house and there's all these random chairs that were, just like chairs upon chairs, different types, random chairs, and he doesn't sit in them. Like, he actually is able to make it all around the house in singular jaunts. So, like... I think that you, I think that

one of the chairs there. I mean, he collects them. Very elderly are used to not having wall space. Huh, interesting. I think that houses were not No, houses were larger before our time, but room sizes, as far as I've noticed, are quite small. And even when they're like large square footage, they're very thin. Yeah.

So there's not like this overwhelming amount of wall space as far as I've noticed. And I think that they get uncomfortable with that. I think you're onto something. And when they move into a house is a little bit newer or something like that, then they just throw stuff up on the wall. Yeah, they just start chucking. Yeah, just start chucking. It's like my dorm room with like hot wheels all over the wall. Yeah.

It's like my great grandmother, rest her soul's house. She just had a wooden box with collected spoons in it. And it's like at some point. That's rad. You're 80, 86 years old. No, you know, I get it. Yeah. That's rad.

You know a spoon collection? I'm trying to have something in disparative to say. And they also, old people like still use wallpaper. Yeah, that's a big. It's crazy. Can I say banger? Yeah, yeah, it's a banger. Wallpaper is a banger.

We got to bring back wallpaper. A little cat wallpaper. A little decorated wallpaper. Put some like dogies on it, dude. Come on, oh. Yeah. What are you doing? I've had to paint my room, I don't know, four times in my life.

My room. Sucks. Did you get your security deposit back at the dorm? Yeah. No, no, no, no. Not my dorm room, Olin. No, he's like real home room. My room.

You exist, like, outside of Hillsdale College? For brief, brief periods. It's only, I only exist when. I only exist when someone thinks about me. Oh. Which is not common. What is that? That's not Schrodinger.

That's the other one. No, that's, that's, that's, uh, that's, uh, that's, well, that's when you look at me. Yeah, I would be Schrodinger's native if I exist when you look at me. Upon observation. On observation. Yeah. Shrodinger's Nate exists upon observation. That's right.

If you both turn your heads, I actually just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, yeah. All right. All right. All right. All right. Let's get some questions. Can we get some more questions.

Caleb asks, what's the plan for postcraft? Oh my god, Caleb? Yes. He exists. Speaking of onks, extreme onk. Speaking of... Caleb Pludstrom. Big Hunt.

Observed. Former friend, former guest of the show. Former friend. No. That just slime out my day once. Former friend, current op. Who want to be ops with me? Is Caleb Fluttre?

Yeah. Who would be off with me? What was this question again? Question. What is the plan for post grad? I'm not sure. I have a couple contacts through like current employer. And then,

if not, then as I near graduation, I'm going to start looking into working for aerospace manufacturers or something like that. That's sick. I'd like to build jet engines for a couple of companies that are near where I live at home. Or I've always felt drawn to law enforcement. So if nothing else comes down. Have you talked to Luke about that at all, Jones? No, I'm not.

He's because he wants to be a police officer. Maybe I have. I think I might have spoken. Get on the horn with Jones. Yeah. He's like really selling being like a police officer. I did explorers in high school. That's sick.

I don't know that about you. I have a lot of friends who do stuff like that. And I watch all the YouTube videos. I feel very drawn to it. So I feel like it would be nice thing to fall back on if I didn't get into something a little bit more involved. You've got the mechanic stuff you could do too. Right, exactly.

Got a lot. There's always something. Having that car knowledge is very helpful for that stuff. That's why I work in the scene shop because if I need to fall back on. This makes me fear for some future in which I'm speeding down the highway. And then I'm like, this cop ain't catching me. But it's you and your souped up, tricked out. And he pulls up.

Blasting young boy. They're not going to give me like the FHP Corvette. Oh. But I have no doubt that you will make the car better. No, you can't do that. That's got to be illegal. They would like destroy you. Yeah, you can't.

That's got to be. On your police car? I watched some video about a guy who got fired. Like this was 1980. 80 or something like that. Yeah. But he was so cold, like freezing cold in this cop car that he lit a fire. Like he took out the, um... He lit a fire? He took out the carpet and lit a fire in the passenger seat so he wouldn't freeze to death. Oh, fire. Yeah. Like, it didn't damage anything. I bet they lit him. He had to take out

the carpet to do it. I mean, he's burning a straight fire in the passenger. It's not a great. That feels like a bad idea. If they're not going to let you... Fire in the police car, bro. It feels like a bad idea. A little function of the cop car. That's insane work. If they're not going to let you. light a fire. They're not going to let you like Twill up for the smores in the cop car, bro. Beautiful with that thing you have on your, um, your dash with like the, like the settings on it and whatever that thing is. Like shows you your numbers, like for your oil temperature.

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, whatever that. I don't know what it's called, dude. Dude, we just talked about the story of how I diagnosed and transmit it. I mean, come on. Can we get real here? I just, I'm not going to include brand names. I can't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry. Can't do that. Well, Moses. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no. Famous asker of $500 million every day or $1 every 500 million years. Question of the semester so far. What is your coolest fencing story? Because something I did not know about you, and I've lived on a hall with you freshman year.

Obviously, we were tight last year, and we're still tight this year. You are a fencer. Yeah. Which is, like, super awesome. So explain how you got into that and, like, give us a cool story. Sure. So I'm, I think, C-rated. I'm either C or D-rated.

What does that even mean? In the state of Florida. Like is it A is the best or something? A is the best. It goes from A to E. And of course, D or C is not very high on that list. However, it is a little bit of a feat to get rated in the first place. Yeah, no kidding.

So it's not fantastic, but it is an accomplishment. He's being humble. I can tell. When did you start Finzi? Oh, I was probably nine. What? That's a long time. So that's a fun story.

My sister danced ballet. She still dances ballet. She's a very good. She's a very good ballerina in San Antonio, Texas. And they used to do that at the Portland St. Lucid City Hall. And I would show up there and be bored out of my mind. Waiting for my sister to get out of ballet glasses. And I saw these super cool guys walking past and beekeepers outfits holding swords.

I was like, Mom, can I do that? It's like, oh, sure, I'll go talk to him. Yeah. And I was too young to really be a part of the club. They didn't actually accept people my age, but my mom, because she's the best, implored them. And Coach Ken eventually said, yeah, no, bring him by, and we'll let him play. We'll do something with him, okay? I did that.

We moved studios a couple times between that time until I was probably 13 or 14, and he passed away. He actually had a heart attack at the club. Thankfully, after everybody had left and I was away on a vacation. But that took us away from that for two years, while the whole club recuperated from him. He brought us all together. He was super encouraging. I still have this little prize that he gave people for participating in competing

in one of my junk drawers somewhere. Like this is big impact. And eventually one of the ladies who fenced there named George, George Love, she restarted everything, brought us all back into it. And ever since then, I fenced for seven, eight years after that. Wow. She took us to competitions. She's fantastic.

She won gold in Canada for a like international competition maybe last year, last semester or something like that. That's awesome. Yeah. So she's really good. Dang. And so, yeah. It's been a huge part of my life middle school high school and just now it's gonna pick it up in Simpsom. Yeah, weirdest thing It's just like it seems so intuitive for us to do it's like skies fighting with swords in a non-deadly way, but we've never done it like until this year

They're like four guys yeah and it's super cool. I wish I had more time to get involved with it But if you were like were ever put off by like how smiley I got when I saw Victor Fernandez come back Yeah with a sword that he just purchased at a pawn shop. I'm like no this is the coolest thing ever because this is This is like half my life. Yeah. So it's really cool. And fencing's wonderful. If your kids don't like team sports someday, all the listeners, put them in fencing.

Yeah. Because it's really good. It's 3D speed chess. So. 3D speed chess. I prefer 4D interdimensional chess. Yeah. That's me.

With time travel. Andre. Oh, boy. Just say the name. He has a question. So Andre is a great kid. He's a freshman for those you don't know him. Great guy.

We love him. He says, how did you get into firearms and how have your tastes in that area evolved over time? Okay. We can be pretty, pretty candid about how we speak about this

so we can be. No. No. You own a weapon. You're allowed to own a weapon. You own a weapon. So I was one of those history buff kids. I was one of those like kind of scary gun kids,

but I was homeschooled. So nobody ever, like, you know, gave me a problem with him. There you go. A little self-aware about it. Over time, get a little bit more self-aware. They're fun. Guns are fun. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. What's the number one rule of gun safety? Have fun. Yeah, have fun. Yep, that's right. The number one rule of guns. That's right. Have fun.

That's right. We are being sarcastic. For legal reasons. We are being sarcastic. The actual rules of firearm safety are. Extremely important. Owen, what are they? Treat every farm as if it's loaded.

Only point a gun is something you want to shoot. You're willing to obliterate. The word I like to use is obliterate. Keep your finger off the trigger. Off the trigger. Don't be stupid. Maybe that's a good one. There's another one.

There's four. There used to be three. There's four now. Another good philosophy. As long as you obey three out of four of the firearm safety laws, there is actually no way to hurt yourself, so you only have to remember three. I remember it.

It's what's beyond the target. Yes, remember what's beyond the target. A paper target does not stop a bullet. Yes. Okay. So please be safe, but they are an amazing tool. Be safe and have fun. And know how to use it because it's a force multiplier.

It's how you defend yourself. As I've grown older, I've been able to learn more about firearms and apply them to his historiographical research. And so that's interesting. Once you get into, you know, sophomore level history classes, you start to see that technology has a massive, massive impact on history, on social history, and you can apply that to your buffism interests. So, yeah, I know about the LaBelle rifle, but you have to be able to apply that to what does Blacks, black powder versus smokeless powder do on a battle field. Eventually you're able to do that and that knowledge of what I could read in a history of firearms

book actually applies to, you know, what happened in the 1890s. Oh, black powder fire was crazy. The smoke screens, the fog of war. Can't even see the other guys. Storm and I are an intro to shooting sports right now together with a couple other friends. It's so, because I someone from a super liberal area. The whole plug, take this course. Take it, take it, take it.

If you're at Hill's belt, take every... Take every shooting class you can. Just all of them. Just take all of them. So good. They are, yeah. He's number one, number one guy. But as someone from a super liberal area, I have like no childhood, no background experience, all with firearms anyway.

And then I come here and everyone's like, yeah, I've shot, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. I'm like, I don't know. Never even held one before. And over the last, this, like, last year I've just gotten so much exposure to it and it's like this is just such a incredibly insane

awesome like and the real definition of the word awesome as in like something to awe at thing and it's so cool. Also Hillsdale for just having just being just being the best college in the nation and having this insane amazing service no

opportunity. Yeah, or opportunity. Yeah, that's opportunity the new part of the sports center is almost done it's almost i mean it is it's done like physically there are still some furnishments and procedures and when they're going to let us go over there but i think next week they're supposed to have classes there and things like that so yeah eva asks what is the most caffeine you've ever consumed because this is a fun story i had well it's not a very fun story i don't remember it i remember it a little bit i've had four four monsters in one day something like that. Wasn't it that one turn? So remember when the saga like water do

hicky opened? Oh, I forgot it. And I heard I heard this. I was not there, but I heard that you had like three tall cups of the loaded caffeine water. Yeah. And then a monster. I think I forgot how much like how much caffeine monsters have in them. And I was thinking it wasn't that much compared to something. Or maybe I thought that the saga caffeine fountain wasn't that much. And it turned out to be roughly equivalent and I'd consumed the equivalent of four or five or six monsters. Oh my God. I did not feel that good. Yeah.

I did not feel good that night. Probably called out of work. I don't know. Probably one of the three or four times that I've ever called it a work. If I felt as bad as I think I remember feeling, not good. Because I remember how I felt off of four before when I made the conscious decision. didn't feel good. Oh yeah.

Four is my max for monsters. I've quit monsters. I don't drink them anymore. I found a different company that uses natural ingredients and I feel much better. Nice. There enough. I had four that night, the last night before the Vincenzi paper was due and I wrote it all in one night.

The one night, please kids, avoid the history major, or I guess in this case, poly-econ major thing of, man, I have this 15-page paper. Time to just do it all in one night. Obviously, that's not intentional, but, you know, really, really be intentional about writing your papers. I did sit down at like 7 p.m. and finished it by like 7 a.m. It's unbelievable. It's not intentional to, like, put it off. What needs to be intentional is actually just hunkering down and doing it a month in advance or starting it. Or at least a couple weeks. Yes. Yeah. Getting, getting, getting a pen to paper. But you know, but you know we're going to do that again this year. Yep. In there, you almost can't avoid at least one crunch time paper. Do as I say,

as I do. That's right. Again, you can avoid most of them. Sometimes you have to have a crunch time paper. Yeah, I was right. Oh, sorry, I didn't know you're done. When you get to a semester where it's a bad semester and you have 60 pages worth to write by the end of a semester, there's just no feasible way to say, oh yeah, no, I have, I could do that in two weeks. It's just not going to happen unless you don't sleep unless you don't go to classes and just ruin your life. Neglect everything else. Don't do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No one wrote 30 pages in like 10 days last year. No one.

I'm sure. No one has ever done that. Ever. An appropriate amount of people wrote that. And I hope that's awful. And here, hey, we're all in the same vote here. We're not ashamed of saying it. Let's all do better.

Yeah. Can we dial in everybody? I say is I have my eight pager due on Tuesday and I have maybe a page of text. I have all my sources, but like, also avoid the thing where it's like, I've got all my sources. Because fun fact, you do not. You never will. You will never have all of you. That's what Dr. Stewart always preaches.

He's like, look, guys, look, you can give me eight sources, but I'm telling you, once you look at those sources, you're going to use about four. You're going to have to look for a fact that you didn't look at the sources. Yep. So just load yourself up and just don't play with that. Just don't even mess around. Gosh, that's so true.

I was writing my e-combe for last week. and I said send in the proposal with all the sources I want to use and I use half of them. It's bad. It was just the rough draft though. I need to go and find some other sources and then reamplify everything with evidence for the final draft. There's nothing to be ashamed of about it. It's just the fact that you have to know it's going to happen. Yeah.

And be prepared for it. So as you move forward, prepare for it. Dial in, guys. No harm, no foul. We are the smartest campus of all time and yet we have this amazing, amazing ability to have no, to just cognitively dissonance ourselves into a whole. I think that's most people our age, though. Yeah, but we're smarter than that.

Come on, guys, we're smarter than this. Have you seen the level of cognitive dissonance at any state school ever? A lot, but again, we're smarter than this. Come on. I'm like, Obi-Wan. How does this happen? We're smarter than this?

We're smarter than this. I feel like I'm R2D2 in this scenario. Yeah. There's O'N R2D2. Anakin. Anakin's not, he's not, he's not, Anakin. He's not, he's an American. He's Obi-1.

He's Obi-1. You turned against me. I didn't do anything on R2D2. What are you looking at me for, dude? You're talking strictly prequels here? Yeah. Yeah, like in Revenge of the Sith when they take down General Grievous's flagship.

Hold on. What do you guys make of... I know you're a pretty big Star Wars guy storm. Yeah, I'm a nerd. Owen, big Star Wars guy? Except I haven't seen any of the Disney... Any of the movies. That's fine. No. I'm not.

No, yeah. Just strictly Instagram Reels and it's of it. That's right. And I've read the books. I've read the Thrawn trilogy. Yeah. Unbelievable bull. But I've never seen any.

Thorn trilogy books? He's super good, by the one. One through nine, I know the movies, and then I've watched the extended universe movies. What do you guys think about the, like, the plot? I don't want to call it a plot hole. It's more like a plot like bump or divot about how Obi-1 does not seem to remember R2D2.

What do you do with that? I think, I've just watched a new hope over fall break. I do not remember the exact lines that were said. He says, hello there. He actually does. He always first line ever in the one in 1984 or whatever was. Which is why that line comes up in Revenge of the Same. Hello there, little friend.

Yeah. However, when I listened to it, when I watched that scene again, I was thinking, are they going to completely mishandle this in the prequels? And I did not get that notion. I thought about every line that was said. Again, I can't quote them for you. I don't remember. But when I was sitting there thinking about it with a critical lens,

I was not saying this is breaking my my immersion here. Yeah. That's why I didn't call it strictly a plot hole because it's not, there's so many ways to play it off

like he's faking it or maybe he's just actually a little bit. Obi-1 and C-3Pew have almost no interactions throughout the entire trip. They've seen each other a few times but they rarely interact.

In fact, when they go to Tatooine and they first meet Anakin in Phantom Menace, Obi-1 stays back on the ship. he never sees 3PO's creation and like the bare bare thread bone 3PO there's a great line I think it's in

3 it's either I think it's obi 1 no is it at it's either one of the two says it they say to General grievous you are taller than I imagine you being and so when they're shorter no he says you're shorter than I imagine you being yeah and that means that when they did the clone

wars they had to somehow make the main character and the main villain for the first two seasons no the whole show but like really But Chivas never meet. No, but I mean, like, he's really the main guy for like the first two. Then they start kind of like branching off. Revis is the main villain.

For like two seasons, they have to be naked. They never in yet. If you watch the malevolence arc in season one, the malevolence is the first big giant separatist flag ship. And it's like a full four episode arc where there's this giant ship and R2D2, 3PO, Anakin, O'Me Asoca. Everyone's on the ship, but in like different places. And Grievous is on it. And they strategically always make Grievous fight Obi-1.

And Anakin's never there. He's off doing something else. the whole time and they just never meet what a pain idea what impact their lines writers have no hand of line dude yeah oh my gosh we're gonna hate a certain

director for adjusting a cut or adding a frame yes a single frame another I want to say is that con didn't shoot first yeah oh my when he and you see the thing because he clearly shoots he like moves his neck like oh my gosh

they don't understand us no no they don't understand how much I think a big problem with directing these days is that, and I'm not a massively, like, I'm not massively into film. I dabble. I dabble. I dabble.

I dabble. I'm a bit of a movie. No, no, you're into movies. You're into movies, not films. There's a difference. What's the difference? And I'll say it like this. Are you going to be one of those like transformers isn't a film?

It's a movie. I actually, yes, but this is not, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, have you ever listed a Lincoln Park before. Yeah. Somewhere, yeah, somewhere. Alright, bro. Somewhere I'm below. Anyway. But no, what I'm saying is, when I

separate a movie and a film, this is actually, it's not derogatory towards movies, it's actually derogatory towards films. Okay. Because I think films are like, these like slow, trotting, deep, emotional. So just like older movies? No, not just older. Here,

I'll give you like this. The best example is Barbenheimer from 2023. Barbie is a movie. Oppenheimer is a film. There's There's a difference. I didn't watch Oppenheimer. I liked him more than I liked Barbie.

I liked Barbie more. I'm gonna fully say it. Are you kidding me? I fell asleep during Oppenheimer. Barbie, one out of ten. I watched it. No, it wasn't. Get out of it.

One out of ten. The movie was terrible anytime Ryan Gosling wasn't on the screen. You snob. He was the only good part of the film. The only problem with Barbie that like took me out of it was when they went to the real world. And Barbie started getting offended. all of the like males and female spaces thing. Dude, the whole movie was feminism.

The film. Not the whole movie, though. The only part that was awesome was when Ryan Gussling was like running around and he was like looking at American flags and like people riding horses and like big giant capitalists

and he was like, dude, this is awesome. I was like, yeah. But that's also degrading to... The whole movie was a degradation of society. Like it built nothing. The ultimately end of the film was her being like, I'm gonna go become a real girl

and go to my gynecologist. And that was the line. That line is hilarious. That as an ending though, that is hilarious. It doesn't build up. It doesn't encourage any people, any people. Ultimately, it says you are bad where you are. That's fair.

How does Oppenheimer encourage us? Oppenheimer was awesome because Oppenheimer actually takes a in-depth emotional look at the person who was not really credited but should be credited for the invention of the atomic bomb. He wasn't credited? He was massively credited. it actually at the current time

but also like growing up did you ever hear Oppenheimer's the Manhattan Project guy? No you heard like Einstein you know like Neil Bohr Okay I didn't hear of Neil Boar You had those characters Really not Not as related to the Okay well it shed light on

His personal life but also They did a really good job whether it's true or not Of giving an in-depth analysis into his psychology of being the guy who like made the weapon that might destroy humanity I thought that the psychological I've heard it's a great movie I just have watched it's so good it's long it's but it but it's

very very good and so who's that that's the director of yeah it's uh the guy who does the emoji no it's director of the emoji it's um christopher nal one dunkirk too yeah now i like most of no one's amazing historical movie duncirk is fantastic has ever watched 1917 no i have i'm a fan i've not seen i've not he's 70 but i have seen dunkirk yeah i'm a fan of 1917 It's a good movie. And a good, and okay, you're...

Duncurt's very bad year. I love that. It was an awful year. 1917 is in the top ten worst years of human existence. Except there with 1912. I hate 1912.

What happened? Wilson. Woodrow Wilson was like that rest of it. All right. Insanely Hillsdale College Day. This guy over here. You know, guys, I think Wilson was not great.

You want a cookie? It's extreme. Welcome to every ice pericle. Hey, but also it was when Theodore Roosevelt came back and ran for president again and lost, which is basically, because Theodore Roosevelt sucks. All right. Whoa.

All right. Is that a disparative content? As a big... He's dead. What is he going to do? Can't find me? As a big conservationist guy, I like some of what Theodore Roosevelt did.

Yeah, I mean, no one's going to argue with the national parks, but like... I think the Panama was funny. Give me that. I'll take that land off your hands for free. Got a love American imperialism.

Remember Dr. Slacks? Yeah. So funny, bro. The idea of America having an empire is just hilarious. Peter Roosevelt basically kicked off the progressive movement. We're so bad at the idea of an empire because we're not an empire. Because we're not and that's awesome. But it's funny when we try to be an empire.

It's like we're going to go up, I guess, get the Philippines. The funniest thing is that we could do it anytime you wanted to and we're so bad at it. We're all. I think we're, I think I'd rather say we're good at avoiding that mindset because I think it's a negative mindset. If you had to do if you had to give one people group like one hit country, the best score of being an empire and the worst score of being an empire,

we are right there with the Mongolians, the conate. Were they good? No. Didn't they like... They were good at... They were really good at conquering things. Nate's going to be pedantic here and say,

just because you can conquer a bunch of stuff, doesn't mean you... They could have to keep it. You can just conquer. I agree. Once Gangis Khan's son, I'm blanking on his name, once that guy died,

it just blew up. But the T-Loss of America, has never been imperialism. The telos of the cake is not. The telos of the cake, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but like, we have a system designed, in my view, like, correctly to the point where imperialism is not, like, the goal. So this is where you get into.

And that's good. And that makes me laugh when we try and fail. This is where you get into, like, Montescue stuff. Yeah. We're not doing Montescue. Please don't make me too. I will dumb this down to my level because I don't remember Dr. Rays. Despism class.

Very well. But different forms of government are suited to different levels of conquering. Different levels of corporal punishment, different societies, different temperaments, different temperatures where you live and areas where you live.

That's why the Mongolians are so bad at governing things. Freezing gold and a flat planet. Yeah, our form of government is not capable of maintaining an empire. Always a good sign to not try. to Jamaican Empire. Yeah. We have Puerto Rico, though.

And Guam. We still have them. Hey, Puerto Rican listeners. Dude, what's up? For all these things, we were more than conquerors. For him who loves us. Isn't that a Bible first? I don't remember.

It is. It's the end of Romans 8. All right. I just remember that. I was like, what am I quoting right now? I realize it was the Bible. Oh? Am I quoting D&D, my D&D show, or the Bible?

Or the Bible. I had to think for a second. Come on, friends. Let's do it together. Bible? Job. Ah, immediate Hillsdale Cloud.

I want to go watch Star Wars again. Jones says he's going to be running some Star Wars movie nights and I'm like, when? We doesn't watch them. Probably in my room. We're running in your room. We're hosting you in your room.

Yet another weekly movie night trend. Goodness, dude, you're never going to leave your room. You're a hermit. Too many things running. There's too many things running. There's too many weekly events that are happening in there. Yeah.

You know, get out, we're going to get out of the world, we're going to go see you guys. Yep. Because this episode is over. This episode is over. Yes. No more questions. No more questions.

No, thanks for coming on, Owen. My name is EZE. Final ever thoughts. Final ever thoughts. Before we, we just slime you in. I will take it right back into the first question that I was asked. Go out there, find something to be happy about. Yeah.

To teach other people about it. Be a little bit annoyed. but be cheerful. And just be joy pill. Joy pill yourself. Joy, go watch the new Superman movie. Yes. Go be a fool.

Go be a fool. Go be a fool. Do whatever storm's doing right now. All right. Well, thanks, everybody. More questions. Next week, as usual, we'll return with someone. Hey, buddy.

I was up here. Bye.