WRFH/Radio Free Hillsdale 101.7 FM - No Men For Old Country | Boys Only #36

Episode Date: April 25, 2026

Nate and Storm chat with Josh "Swamp Daddy" Hoggatt and Kevin Pynes about the gunpowder plot, being undercover in Germany, and how many months we've been alive.

Nate, I need you to dial in right now. I'm so dial. I'm locked. Are you actually? It's hell week. I'm all the way locked. You're prepared. I've never been more locked.

You're ready to record because we're actually on. Like, I don't know if I told you. It's on right now. No, no, no way. No. No, no. I wasn't ready. We're back. The buttons clicked.

The cameras are rolling. Mike's rolling. Where's the camera rolling? They don't know what we look like. No. We have a video? We do. Oh, goodness.

You can find it on. I'm going to be in a certain link here. Right. Read out the link. HTT. Boys only. Because that's the name of this show. It is Boys Only.

We're back during Hell Week. Hopefully you guys are tuning in and not drowning in papers. Although Hell Week is sort of over-ish, half way. Hell Week is on a Tuesday at end. They've done this weird thing where they split up the finals now, so then they also Hell Week kind of split up in a way. It's kind of weird. Anyway, we have a super special double feature.

Future. Feature. True, true, true, true. Guys, I'm so impressed. Can I laugh now? I'm so alive immediately. They were just like, I just want the audience to know this. They were just sort of sitting here, like, chill.

And then suddenly they're like, okay, we're starting. And then it was like this energy. Yeah. I love this podcast. You should see us before we start recording. It's all that's sad, lethargic. Like, again, I got a talk to my good friends. I love our double feature episodes.

We have two fantastic guests on this week. Sorry, I'm banging the table and Nate hates me for it. we've got Kevin Pines. We've got Joshua Hoggart. Who are you? He's pointing at Kevin right now. Yeah, yeah. It's me.

It's me. I'm Kevin. My name is Kevin, like you said. I was in Simpson. I live in Egypt. I work at the writing center. I do a lot of performing arts on campus. You might have seen me as Bottom and

Midsummer Night's dream last year or as Amos in the musical this semester. Yeah, a lot of blessings. Very grateful to be here. I'm from Nebraska. Let's Gersh. Go, go scurrs. Yeah.

Hesgir. Husskers. Yeah. Good to have you on the show, Kevin. And that I'm now pointing to Josh. He's not actually pointing. He's not pointing. If you check the video.

If you check the video, we definitely have, who are you, Josh? I'm Josh, believe it or not. I also went to Simpson, live in Egypt. Ooh. I don't work at the writing center. I'm a physics major. I cannot write like that.

I would not trust my own writing and It's funny though because I started as a physics math double major and then Josh and I sort of switched departments and sort of saw each other on the way out It's kind of like that meme in the car windows point as you guys switch spots Math and physics team and actually the physics department said I couldn't leave till I found a replacement So I was like hey I I know this guy Dr. Dolter's like he's a sucker. He'll do it Yeah I love our physics people yeah yeah I did a lot of theater too well by a lot I only

I've only done musicals here. It's like, you know, fun thing to do. I also sing jazz in the jazz department. I had a combo. It's fun. We just had our concert just last night. We sang a, well, I sang, we did a cover of hysteria. You know the song by Muse?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do not know this song. It was not on the program. We just kind of surprised the audience with it because we just kind of. That's so tough. So, it was great. And you sang? Yeah.

Oh, my gosh. Dude, I love this guy's singing voice. Josh has one most buttery smooth singing voices like Frank Sinatra Big band jazz concerts last year You had a solo part and I was like Yeah man it's great It's so good He's got that nice deep voice too

There's a lot of great singers but most of them are tenors So it's good to have a bass You know it would be great if I could have been on a campus band But they're all tenors Rock is all tenors There's no like There's no spot That makes sense

For your particular Yeah voice sales set But maybe you could, like, break into the scene. Like, that could have been, like, your thing. Like, the whole band is just down here. Like, the whole band is low. I should have brought your flowers.

It should be obvious. I'm not. That just sounds like goofy. Oh, you should have brought you flowers. Nah, I should have brought you flowers. Now it just sounds Russian. Yeah, that was the point of course. That's actually the name of this episode is me.

Russian goofy. Loofy. Oh, I forgot to start writing down the random things me say. Loofy Russian person. Yes. Should I hold your high eye of? Gosh. We're already rich.

Can you give us a smooth, soft, buttery, welcome back to boys only? Welcome back to boys only. Dude, how come you never did radio here? Because you guys are both seniors. It's so sad. We're like losing you in a week and a half. Yeah.

It's been in the dungeon. All right, gang. Strosacker Yeah Yeah No windows Just like fans Filling your ears

At all time Just a bur At all time Oh man that's terrible Honestly I kind of like it Really It could be Stockholm syndrome I don't know

But it's grown on me It's grown on me It's grown on me Opie's stockholm We don't have a ton of science majors on What is your like End of Semester

Look like Because you guys don't have All your papers and stuff I've had some homework recently I mean it's just kind of been don't on me this entire semester and we have some projects some smaller things but yeah

thankfully no papers well nothing nothing like that 18 pager that I'm glad I don't have to do yeah that big whopper Kevin had yeah what'd you write about what was it on I was talking about T S. Eliot's the Hollow Men oh dude T.S. Eliot

Yeah not with a bang but a whimper yeah yeah that's how the world he says it's the only blasphemous poem he ever wrote it's wild it's like the least hopeful bit of poetry I've ever I've noticed a trend I usually write about super nihilistic poetry in my 400 levels and it's just it was nice to round out that part of my experience at Hillsdale wow do you think that's a reflection on you I'm really I know it was a joke but like I'm really fascinated by that kind of mind

people like Nietzsche or O'Neill or early T.A. Selytey Sely it before his conversion, they just have such an interesting systematic way of thinking about the world that's not hopeful and not Christian. And so it's an interesting different perspective because they're very principled about what they believe, but it's very foreign to what we get here. So you get to play a little bit of devil's advocate and work with some ideas that are, you know, they feel a little foreboughton, you know, so, uh, and I like that. I'm a little bit of a contrarian, and so I like to, to flirt with, with ideas a little outside of what's, I don't know, typical. That's goaded. Which poem is it? I don't think I've read a lot of T.S. Eliot yet, but yeah, no,

it's, it's called the Hollow Men. The Hollow Men. Yeah, it's, it's fascinating. It's, um, it's kind of hard to explain, but for Guy Fawkes Day, you guys familiar with that. So, for the listeners, is Guy Fawkes was this, Catholic fella in the Renaissance who led a conspiracy to blow up parliament in the king. It was called the gunpowder plot. He ends up getting caught and to celebrate that every year, to this day, they still burned straw men in effigy that look like Guy Fox. Whoa. And they're like, oh, a penny for the old guy.

It's like is what they say. It's like trick or treat for them. So the poem begins with that as the epitaph. It's, or the epigraph, a penny for the old guy. And then we are the holo man. We are the stuff men leaning together, headpiece filled with straw. Alas. You know, and so on.

I've spent so many hours of this poem. I pretty much have a memorized at this point. But, yeah, it's a really interesting tradition that he's drawing on. And he sort of places them as the souls that aren't quite in hell. They're the sort of uncommitted souls. So they are in the vestibule of hell between actual. Charon and the and the gates. So that's kind of like

you guys, right? Like you're like in between like the ending of senior the beginning of like of like life. Well hopefully they're not hollow. They're not in perfect. I'm gonna like I'm gonna say I'm gonna watch them walking across his age of commencement and say a penny for the old guys. A penny for the old guys. Start flinging money at them. Yeah, just like checking money. We'll appreciate it. That's how

we get the term guy just as like a fellow. It's because of I think it's because of guy fox. Right? Cause it's like, oh it's just you just some guy. Oh, a penny. I didn't even like put it together. It's not. For the old guy. It's a penny for the old guy. The old guy. Like his name.

Wow. If you don't know about Guy Fawkes, he's the guy with the mask. Just another thing. Like that's another common portrayal of him. It's like those masks. Yeah. In the V for Vendetta movie, it's that, that's the mask. But like kind of smirking.

Yes, yes, yes. That is like the mask that. His face just looked like that. I don't know why that is, I don't know if he had masks that looked like that. Yeah, it was just like he plaster conformed to his face. And then that. the popular. Yeah, he got hit with hot wax.

He might as well blow up parliament. As one does when he's smacked with hot wax. Smacked with hot wax is actually going to be on my tombstone. Smacked with hot wax. Yes. It feels like poetry. That's in your future in 39 minutes and counting. 30.

39 minutes. It will happen to you. Yeah, Storm reached out to me before we recorded the episode and I helped dig. Bring the wax. I sold Kevin bring the lighter. And we're going to. This is going to get. Harry for me pretty soon I think

Well Harry I think that would be the opposite of what you'll be Burning Fire Hot Well in the meantime let's wax poetic with some questions Wow That is I saw that you were at a loss for a segue

He's usually our segue guy but his eyes were darting a little furtively And I thought I'd step in and help him out on that one Well the poll is not like the story for the poll is not active So I have to go into archives Oh yeah yeah A minute to navigate to Did you get the wide question I sent you by the way? Yes.

That will be at the end, as they always are. So an anonymous person, this person has asked to be anonymous because I don't think you know them. So they were like, don't even bother them. They're essentially anonymous. Yeah. Because they won't know me. What is the best side quest you've been on during your time at Hillsdale? Eight collective years of college experience.

Better be better than dunkels. Oh, no. Side quest. Side quest. just meaningless action I know mine Can we be held accountable Potentially

By the time this airs You have like a week left of college Like so Try maybe to not Like if it's bad If it's the bad enough You have to ask Rain in a little bit

Will I get indicted for this Will I die What's the statute of limitations I remember there was one time I feel like this isn't so bad That it was the end of Sophomore year and good friends of mine,

Bonk and Zach, we were like, we need to do something just like fun so we were just like hanging out in his minivan and he's like, hey,

what if we just shot off some fireworks for the end of the year? Glorious. We brought some fire crackers and set them off in the cereal lot and none of us thought

until they were going off security is going to think this is gunfire. So we jump in the car and drive away as fast as we can. as the security car comes like zooming around the corner to see what was up. So if you were that security officer, sorry about that.

That was the end of your sophomore year? Yeah. I don't remember that. Wow. I was in the dorm a lot freshman year. I don't remember that. I would have heard that. I was getting lit up by a Glock on the instead of campus and they didn't come to me.

It was super late because I've had to stay for graduation every year for choir and RA stuff. And so it was probably the night. before graduation right after the orchestra concert I don't know if I left I can't remember I'm an old man now Josh how about you try not to

have it be a crime that's good life advice Like the one that comes to mind kind of I don't it treads a certain line Oh Lord Just want to

Okay okay okay Construction site Beautiful place Always been you know kind of a dream, kind of a seat of something just in my, I feel like in any young boy's mind to see, look at that awesome piece of construction, uh, construction equipment. What is it like inside it? Yes. Uh, let's just say, there was a night. It was late. I was, I had an idea and I executed on

that idea and. Yeah. And you may have on, unrelated young boys, No, unrelated to the experiences that we just talked about. Exactly. Definitely unrelated to that. Unrelated. Completely. Fantastic. And just that.

That stretch of minutes of just pure ideation of this conceptualizing what it would be like. Ideation. I was just like, wow. Phenomenal side quest. That is phenomenal. Well, mine is the Dunes. Indiana Dunes story. That is a fantastic side quest.

We've told that story, I think, a number of times. Guys, wait, I totally forgot. There was this amazing site. But we should tell your story. No, we don't even have a story. We've told it on the podcast. We told it several times, please. This is so, I forgot freshman year, Eli Redding, I think it was, an inherent ensing.

Them and maybe 16 other people got together and were like, we need to go to Chicago on a Tuesday in March and go to a five-hour opera and then drive back the same night. So we went to Chicago at like 3 p.m. Got like really, really nice dinner at this, like, like, classic, classic, like deep dish pizza spot. But it was kind of weirdly deep dish pizza, but classy. It was a weird mix. An upscale. And then we went to Carmen at the Chicago Lierke opera house and, like, we're smoking cigarettes outside during the intermissions. And we go back in.

They have like five intermissions. And then we're coming back. We came back at like 3 a.m. That was amazing. Oh, it's awesome. I forgot about that. that was one of like the top crazy experiences of college of just hey why don't we do this thing and then we did it and then it happened and it was it was great so get those ideas out of the group

chat ladies and jones yes if you are especially if you were a freshman or a sophomore just go and do it like just do it right your classes are not that hard i guarantee you you can skip a paper and write it later write it in the car on the way back so true i mean they'll fill the time that you give them right so you can write a paper in four like oh freshmen don't listen to me but like you can write a paper if you've done it before in five days it doesn't matter how long the paper is

and days minutes it's just like yeah go to Chicago do the thing have the experience those are way more important than the schoolwork is necessary but it's not sufficient for what makes Hillsdale special like so true like everyone who almost everyone

who leaves here I guess maybe Josh's like except because you don't have like the paper idea but maybe you do like project you can give the example for. I can remember way more times I was like, you know what, I'm going to skirt the work a little bit, I'm going to put it off,

I'm going to do this crazy, fun, cool thing instead of writing this paper. And I can remember way more of those than like, man, this paper was so good. Maybe that's why. I don't write very good papers because I can skirt him to work to go to Chicago and listen to Carmen.

Wait a minute, I feel these are connected ideas. Correlated, yeah, maybe. I doubt it, though. No. Yeah. My other side quest, though, I just thought of it as he was talking is punk satoni.

Oh, of course. I think I want to withhold that story. Yeah. Because we're going to have some of the people who are there on. We will have, we already have one of them on. We already Jonathan on us. And I'm here. Sam has graduated, sadly.

But Joe and Alex will both be on at some point. Yeah. And so we'll tell the story when they get on. 100%. But Storm, do you have a different one other than the dunes? Not really. No, you should not do anything. I don't do anything.

Yeah. Classic. Yeah. I sit here in this. Hours of Marvel. Yes, I've got four hours and hours and hours. Yeah. And ingest bean burritos in three bites.

Okay, call back to Brendan Burnham. All back to a previous episode. I feel like three bites is too many. He got it in two bites, by the way. Sorry, I just disrespect. Taco Bell bean burrito, Taco ball bean burrito two bites. Okay. Yeah.

That is crazy. This is record. Peter. Kevin is scary. Kevin is not a news. Kevin is not used. Kevin is like this. It reminds me of Dr. Jackson saying that the closest he ever came to death was eating baby

carrots while watching family guy because he started choking on one of the carrots and he was like that's the closest I ever came to dying uh yeah so does the family guy have any relevance I was just watching as he almost not oh he like laughing and then one like slid down he was laughing he was

he always brings it up as like what a stupid way to like if I had died it's like father of five you know professor that's the modern equivalent of like the Elvis golden toilet is family guy baby carrots exactly yeah exactly You guys were both at Smackdown, yes? Oh, yeah.

Because Simpson Smackdown... Listen, guys, last year when we had Simpsons Smackdown 2, we talked about it on this podcast for like three straight weeks. We're saying out of a word this year. No, that's not true because I want to talk about, like, what did you guys think of, like, the Dr. Jackson fight? Because you just brought him up. I mean, like, that was crazy.

That was executed so much better than I possibly thought it could be. That was insane. Yeah, I mean, well, I don't know if this is true, but I heard from someone that one of those flips was not planned. What do you mean plan? None of it's planned. It's all real.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I should say that Smoke Dog, Ghost Dog, Jackson was not expecting one of them and he might have had some colorful language mid-air. I think that there was a good amount of unexpected blood. It was a substantial amount of unexpected in that.

The lone star warrior legend, Austin Peku said that his jaw was like sore for days. Yeah, and Raging Bull Luke Waters may in fact have a concussion after it may be mildly concussed from getting backhanded by Dr. Jackson. But it was epic, guys. Like,

first of all, Ezra Phillips playing just that beautiful introduction. He's so good. I'm always blown away by him. But the timing on that flyover? Oh my gosh. That was the crazy, because I forgot we were doing that

until minutes. We had a plane to fly over our Simpsons back on event. Arn-R-A Harrison Stouffer. Glorious Harrison-Stofer, shout-out, flew a plane over the event right at the end of Ezra Phillips' guitar riff. Hendricks sing the guitar.

At the end of the national anthem on guitar, it was glorious. It could not have been more perfect. I was like, I couldn't believe. For a second, I thought maybe it was an RC plane that was just really close. I was like, no, that was way too loud. Three feet above your head, actually.

What the heck? It did sound like that, except louder. Remember that pitch that? your brain, make it louder. Big, big, big, big, big plane. Yeah, big plane. Maybe you should do it louder. People really appreciate that with their headphones.

Please. No, I was loud enough at Smackdown when they put a microphone in my hands. Wrong play. Terrible. Giving this guy, Mike, is it terrible? You only has three podcasts. I only have three podcasts. Clearly the worst toys you can make.

Well, thank you everyone who did give them to Smackdown. Yes. What did you think about it, Josh? I caught the very last fight. It was phenomenal. and I was inspired by Dr. Jackson's persona. I watched the movie, Ghost Dog, the Way of the Samurai. Oh, that's a real film?

Yeah, it's real. Is it good? It was interesting. It was from 99, 1999. Oh, wow. It followed a large black hitman who followed the way of the samurai, like the book, the code. Wow. And he gets in trouble with the Italian mafia in Jersey City.

What? Just can never expect the next sentence. What is going on? Way of the same right. Italian mafia, Jersey. Shrek two-level plot right here. What is going on? Crazy movie.

It was great. Phenomenal soundtrack. I think it's like a comedy, uh, crime thriller. Rated R though. So if you're listening to this and your parents say no, listen to them.

It's a good movie. Good movie. Listen to your parents, people. I don't think we have anyone under the age of 18. And listen to Dr. Justin Ghost Dog Jackson when he tells you this. he's awesome it yeah i mean i was so impressed i mean a few of you may have seen me in my

extremely bright jacket running the back i mean although it was all it was all in spats i just have to keep it you know i just keep it orderly back there because those guys they want to kill each other so bad yeah you know i have real vendettos it's such hatred back there you know i mean good thing you know i'm six three and just built yeah yeah just built you're out you walk up saving for the rain hey yeah keep it cool back here for all the listeners that is true When I'm pointing, not pointing at you, that's where you're going to come but that's true. No, Josh is the straight man here, clearly. Yes.

Speaking of being a straight man, Peter Gilchrist asks, what's it like being the most handsome duo on campus? Because you guys are a dynamic duo. Like, Kevin and Josh, you guys lived together twice? Three times. I mean, I wasn't counting this year. I mean, like, as genuine roommates. Unless you're also roommates. You guys have your, do you guys?

Uh, no, we, we each have singles. Yeah. Yeah, we had a, we had a messy breakup. He took the, you took the, the first floor. I took the second floor. Yeah, I took the furniture. He actually literally did. I did.

All the furniture in our room was Josh's to begin with. Take like a Simpson desk to you. That's what we're going to do, when we move out of Sims. We're going to take it under the desks. Oh, yeah. Put it in Wessex. Claim one of those johns.

Oh, you guys have Wessex. You have Wessex. Yeah. Glorious Wessex. Yeah. Do not come to our house. That's how I felt. when I moved into Egypt.

I was like, perfect. A house no one will ever come to unless they're invited. Yes. Not like one of these, these men. And no hate on the manning houses.

It's just not my, not my, not my speed. I am very hermit. Yes. But you shouldn't be because you're so hot. How does it feel to be so hot?

That's what Peter Rooker's asked, right? And I mean, essentially, that's handsome. You didn't say, oh, that's so kind.

How? Josh, you have phenomenal hair. What is your routine? Uh, I wash it like, twice a week, twice a week, just about. Shampoo, you know, conditioner.

I do use some leaving conditioner, though. I got that from my sisters. They have much better hair than I do. And I took a lesson out of their book, and I'm just kind of kept with it. That's glorious. And now that it's shorter, I can just, like, sleep and not worry about bedhead.

It just kind of, like, does what it does. So I remember, like, you used to have, like, big hair, kind of. Yes. You know, sophomore, you had hair hair. I was like, what the heck, man. I don't know people could do that in Simpson. Joshua Frogett. He did.

He's a common frog. That's more what that sounds. Joshua Froggett, Ribot? Well, he did. Seedy French. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You did? Yeah, I'm a French minor.

And a math minor. I don't let that one hang in the air for a second. I'm a French minor. I'm actually 21. I'm a French minor. I'm actually 21. One of those statements is true. I know, Kevin, you used to do German.

Is that like a German minor? Is it just for love of the game? Yeah, I did a German minor. I didn't want to do philosophy freshman year for some reason. I don't know why. I'd signed up for it with my advisor, but I didn't really like my advisor at the time. He was fine, but we didn't really jive, you know? So I just sort of picked random stuff.

And the day before classes began my second semester, I was just like, you know what? I'm just going to not take philosophy and I'll take German. And then I ended up studying in Germany for a month. It was, I don't know, I like the department, Dr. Hurdle, Dr. Nalman, Dr. Yonaga. They're all great. Oh, yeah. Though I haven't had a class in like a year

because I finished the minor junior year and I just never had time to go back. My Germans really suffered, so. Dang. Well, actually, we're asking you to speak in French and German for the rest of the podcast. Oh. I have no idea what you're saying.

Can you give us a sentence in German or like the minor? Can you rip it? Because I'm on a line of accent. Super Shecklich. Oh. Oh, me or my. Now, Josh, I'm French. No, merci.

No, thank you. I declined to speak in French. I don't know if you speak a little French. Oh, me or my. If you ever ask anyone if they speak in their language, they always answer with like, oh, just a little bit, but in whatever language they speak. Yeah, yeah.

It's always what they say. He speaking in Spanish. Oh, Pagan, you or whatever. Oh, no ambition. Yeah, yeah. Every freshman in German you ask them. It's like, hey, you know, do you, every you speaking yet?

And they're like, oh, I'm not an ambition. A little, you know what that means? It means only a little bite. Oh, not bit. It's kind of cute. German idioms are kind of cute, low key, man. Like, they have such different, I, that's one of my, like, I love that is like idioms do not translate.

Like, they are just not it. Like, a little bite. What the? What are we saying? It's like love. It's a hand shoe. A hand shoe? A hand shoe?

It's a shoe for your hand. Cotton, tree wool, baumvorder. Well, I mean, German would be a silly language. I love the compound words. It's like just 45 letters in a row. And it just means like,

oh, yes. Brick. Brick. Zone an undergang. Sun undergoing. It's sunset. Wow. Whoa.

I think there's, you can say that so much quicker in like any way. Sunset. Sunset. He's always like, English doesn't have any words for this. Yes, it does.

Yes, it does. That's how you're talking about it right now. Sometimes it can be so elegant, though. Now, there's no language that's better than another language. But sometimes German can do things that are just really fun. Like, Thegangenheit's Beveltegung. Is this word. Excuse you?

That's one word. That's one word. That's one word. Theganheit means past and Beveltegung is like a struggle. Like, sort of like Israel, right? like the name Israel, right? Jacob used the name israel because he's sort of wrestling with God.

So it's the sort of struggle wrestling. And so it's like the wrestling with the past is the name that they use when they're when they think about the Holocaust and stuff. They're like, oh, this is a monument of Fagangan Heights Beveltogum. It's like, oh, we can't forget the past. We've got to sort of work through it.

Wow. But it's all that encompassed into one word. In one word, yeah. And you could say that, the overcoming of the past thing. But like, I don't know. It's a little more elegant. Yeah. Do you think that they see that?

Like, are there, I wonder, always wondered this. I've never had the pleasure of meeting someone who's like totally native in a different language than learned English. Or the other way around because I don't speak anything but English. Like, is anyone like, oh my gosh, that, that concept in English is so, like, beautiful. Like, we have to take all this other way around to say it in whatever, French or whatever. But in English, it's just boom. It's like one thing. Boom.

I wonder that. Boom. Like, oh, this thing in Japanese means love. It's like, love. L-O-V. Yeah, but like there's a ton of meanings to that, you know? Yeah. We look back at the Greeks and they're like,

oh, we have a ton of different words for that. We still use those. Board. It's interesting. Board. Because I feel like the words that you hear most in other countries that are English words tend to be curse words, which is interesting. I'm not going to say any of them.

I don't know. I don't know why that. I wonder why that is. Just list off 10. No. Like, for instance, I don't mean to be of C in or vulgar or anything, but like the F word is just universal.

Like you ask what the F word is in other language and they just say it in English. Like they have their own like weird ways of insulting people. Like in German, comparing people to animals is like the worst thing you can do. It's not, you know, like any sort of things that we do in English. But for some reason, people really like English insults in other countries,

which it feels like not a, My guesstimant is that English people rolled up and they just started bombarding these people with just insults. I think that's all they do over there, man. We also have more like worldwide media that is English and English spoken. Like we don't listen and watch a lot of German shows. They do that. But they do like have exposure to English like media. So that's probably something to do with it.

That's just also my guess in the dark. Oh, you're probably right. Yeah. Blind leading the blind in this podcast. Boys leading the boys. No men inside. No man left behind. No men for old country.

Book read. Ava Jolly, this is, asks, what was the first show y'all did here? This is a double question, but we'll ask this first one, first and then the second part after. What was the first show? The Hillsdale. You both, each of you did. She loves me. Both of us.

Was that a musical? That was before our time. Yeah, it was our freshman year. Yeah, it was the spring of our freshman year. We did this wonderful musical called She Loves Me. And Josh and I were both main characters. I think that's how we met maybe. Yeah, that's how I worked at the courage.

I'd be like, hey, don't want to be my roommate next year? I was like, yeah, sure. You asked him out. You asked him out. I still remember it because I was like, oh. I like that guy. I'd like to live with that guy. That would be fun.

Yeah, great show. Yeah. What was like the gist of them? Yeah, what was it about? Have you guys ever seen you got mail? No. Unfortunately, no. Oh, really?

Little shop around the corner. Yes. Oh, okay. It's the same story as both of those, but in musical form. So it's coworkers that hate each other, but both of them are kind of, are writing correspondence love notes to someone from the paper that they've never met. It's like, oh, you're a mysterious lover. And it's each other. Oh, my God.

They don't know as each other, and in person, they hate each other. That doesn't make any sense. It makes so much sense. Great comedy. It makes great comedy. I'm sure it's hilarious. I couldn't imagine doing that, though. I also couldn't imagine writing an anonymous love letter.

The fine line between annoyance and attraction is thin. Fine, you could say. Oh. It's a fine line? Yeah, it's a fine line. I started the sentence, actually, with that hard. No. Get out of town.

And then she also asked, what is the best? production that you've both been in or either of you've been in. Or just like your personal favorite. Or your favorite, yeah. I partial to midsummer night's dream. That tree was really cool, guys. Have I mentioned that enough that I built that tree and took me four weeks of my life, agonizing over free?

Gosh, it was a pain. We appreciate it. No, I'm not. That tree was the star. My mom was so, she's like, oh my gosh, did you build that? I'm like, yeah, I did, mom. She's like, oh. Yes.

Man, that guy, that tree was a hand. Handsome as heck, man. I know, what was your guys' favorite? Honestly, this one we just did. Big fish? Big fish. That one slapped. It was so fun to be part of that cast.

You were a great. This electric. Werewolf ringmaster? That was an incredible character. It was nuts. This play was fantastic. I did not get to see it. Wow.

I'm sorry. It's my favorite one I've ever seen. And I saw Bright Star. And Bright Star was also fantastic. I didn't see that one either. fully I when I was in the theater apartment working I watched all of the shows and then I left the theater apartment and I haven't seen one since in both of the plays I just mentioned you Josh Hoggett were some sort of country bumpkin waiting around with a bucket trying to catch fish or something like that like every time I go to the Hillsdale Theater to watch one of these amazing plays they put on Josh Hoggut gets out he's like well I'm down here and I'm catching crawdads and it here's strange yeah buddy yeah boy started calling you something in the department because of that No good. What's the name that we started calling you?

It's like Swamp Matt, Swamp Daddy or Swamp Master? Swamp Daddy. Swamp Daddy. Do not write that. Josh, Swamp Daddy. I think someone might have heard it. Yeah. Dang it.

That's now on the internet. That's rough. No take backseys. No take backseys. No, but what was it? Was it Swamp Daddy? I can't remember. Was that right?

I don't know. Why is that? Why do they assign you to like that role? You're so good at it, but like, I think they just saw that performance I put on the stage and they're like, he needs to do that again. It's glorious. One more time. Do you think you would ever, you know, right now we have these America 250 people out at the college and we have this Ben Franklin impersonator here. I think that must be like his whole deal, right?

Is that he just impersonates Ben Franklin and that's his job. Do you think you would ever be like, you know, riverboat man impersonator, frog, frog catcher? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like that just, like, a career. Josh Fryant. I don't think that culture's endangered right now. Yeah. I don't think they need outside help.

What a beautiful turn of phrase. Yes. Oh, that's a very, that's a very, that's a very political major, man. Whereas Benjamin Franklin, they're a dying breed. He's actually dead. He's a really dead. He's a whole last on. Oh, wow.

Did he have kids? I don't. Yes, at least a son, I think. No, he became. No, his son was with him during the experiment, I thought. The lightning. bolt. No, that,

well, yeah, maybe he had a son before then but I thought he was infertile after he got zapped by lightning

from the key on the shirt. Really? Is that true? I don't know. He's also like older when that happened. He was like 70.

He was already bald with just the wisps, the friar tuck cut on. Dude, I just shave it off. I can, those old hair cuts

where he's like just just got the rat tails. I, come on, bro. Guys, you're my friends. I need you to tell

me when it needs to go. I've started, for the listeners, I've started balding last year and every time I run my fingers through my hair more hair comes out with my fingers stop touching it

dude starting to thin up top like I need you guys to tell me when to get rid of it because I won't be able to like I'll just I need a chorus of voices well some people can kind of a hat guy yeah some people can kind of wear the balding a little bit though like yes like former guest on this you're Justin Peterson he kind of wears it

he kind of does it I don't know. When he was born, he was 35. It's so true. He's such a dad. To be fair. Yeah, to be fair to him. I got to see a picture of him.

He showed me, like, of him in high school with hair. And I was like, that is not you. Dude, that was a different person. It's not you. He does, he does also look 35. 35. He's like, I'm a sophomore in high school in this baby. I'm like, you're 37.

You pay taxes. Isn't that big, dude. No, you still look great, Kevin. I can't even, like, I cannot tell. You said that. That's, yeah. Is it like a family thing? No, it's really not.

You look like that. It's a family thing. I've owned it. I was sort of joking about it. And then I happened to say something in front of Klein, who's bald. I was like, oh, Dr. Klein, did I tell you I'm starting to ball? And he said, the moment I meant you, Kevin, I knew you were bald. Oh, wait.

Holy strange. When I didn't meet you, though. When I was a sophomore. Oh, my God. 19 years always like, yeah, you're, you're cooking. You're done. That's all falling off, buddy. When I was, I was an old sophomore.

I was 20. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with really 19 and a half, actually. When do you stop counting half years? For me, it's always. I never did like, I'm blank and a half. I was always I'm this age or I'm the next one. I feel like five years old.

Well, you stop counting in months when you are one and a half. Yeah, 18 months. 18 months. Because then it stops mattering more. Like, no one said, oh, my 20 month old. No. How many months old are you? Me?

yeah divide multiply I'm not a math major not a math major so I'm 20 plus it's April right now I am

269 months old nice I don't look a month over 250 that's that's America 250 baby 269 months that's kind of a lot

how many months do you like get in your life you average human lifespan about a thousand 52 weeks a year you get get around 1,000 months.

Like, the average human life is 996 months. You are really getting close to the tail end of that there, man. Dude, I'm like a fourth of the way through. That's fantastic, by the way. But that was great. I'm glad you brought that out. Yeah. But that's, yeah, you're almost dead, man. You're, you're, we got to wrap this podcast up soon.

You're going to be in a nursing home. I mean, I've got like, I probably have 50 months on you. Not even, not even. 50? I'm right. I'm lying. I'm lying. I'm lying. I'm bad at math.

I'm bad at math. I'm bad at math. Wait, wait. Wait, wait. You're 21 years old, right? No. You're 20 years old. I have about 20 months on you, I think. How many months have you been 20? Since August. Wait, you're 20? Yeah.

You're a baby. You're 248 months old. So I have about 20 months on you. Yeah. 21 months on you. Other way, I don't care. So I'm for sure dying. First is a takeaway from this. But we're going to be recording then, right?

Grandpa's only. Yeah. Grandpa's only. Who did you say storm? He'll still be New Yorker. What'd you say storm? What do you say about me? Of course.

I'm open as long as let me convert you. To what? To being a good old southern gentleman like me. No, I'm not going to. I don't believe in there now. Yeah. Do we have more question? No.

It's a Wyatt question. Oh, you're right. Wyatt. Sorry. That's the one I'm probing. Now for you, if you guys don't know, Wyatt Peters asks a question every week. Oh, wow.

And he, it's always. is like a would you rather kind of scenario he thrusts us into and it's just usually terrible the things we have to choose between I had to say on this podcast one time that I'm going to kick a baby because the alternative was worse. Well for my drawing class I've had to listen

to stuff to like get through it and I've actually really enjoyed listening to your back catalog so I think I'm pretty much caught up at this point but I remember you dropped some wide questions yeah I've heard a few of these he also doesn't listen to the show he just bled up

line shoots. It's just a question ever. He's dropped almost 40 of these things. These just heaters on it. 36. 36. Or so. Yeah.

Would you rather? This is a really good one. This is so random. Would you rather? Would you rather be able to make yourself explode whenever you want, which will then cause you to respawn where you last slept. So like you explode and then you Minecraft spawn where you last slept. Nice.

Nice. Okay. Or change the skin color of your friends at well. Will. It just shubs in incredible To clarify, this is not change the race of your friends.

No, no, no. It's strictly... It's like blue, red. You can do pink. I mean, you can like make it whatever. You don't change their ethnicity now. I have a question on the first one. So, if I explode, is it like Minecraft

where your body isn't still there? Or is it like this gross explosion? Your guts and things are everywhere. Like, how many kilos of T&T? funniest and so you have you become a new? You know when Kevin Hart eats cake and explodes?

It's like an actual like grenade explosion and there's no pieces of you left. It's just ash. Oh, okay. But anyone within like five feet of you, five feet of you is dead. And within 15 feet of you was like flung back

and like deafened. Well, let me walk over closer to you real quick before answering this. You are well within death range of all of us. We would all die if you choose that power and activate it now. Kabloi.

Yeah. A boom. A coblown. Guys, what do you say when something explodes? I'm thinking more like, the respawn part.

Like, I can get back to my bed. But then you have to detonate. You gotta blow something up. What if you have like belongings with you? Like you have your laptop, your phone, your wallet,

every sorts of identification. You're just always like landing on your bed naked. Yes. But you can, with a respawn point, you can get out of anywhere. If you're about to die, you just blow up in your return.

Like you can, you jump off a building and blow up on your way down. But then you just get some random pedestrian on the street. Shattering all the glass and what of the building you just shadow the glass

and take out three people. That's no fun. Structural damage. It's like, take us a good for the skin color power. I feel like the military would find a way to weaponize you. Does that just launch storm at him?

Boom. And then I reappear in the bed. Yeah. Wait, if I could change the skin color of my friends, could I like, I like that it's your friend. Yeah, it's only your friends. It can't be your enemies.

So that's also a good test of who is. your friend. It's like, oh, shoot. It's like, change my skin color, bro. We're not, we're not like that. We're not quite that tight. I can't try. Are you talking to my ex again? Dang it. We're not friends anymore.

That was a meta joke. I didn't even mean for it to be a meta joke. In fact, it was a meta joke. Storm is laughing so hard. He's standing up. That was not meant to be a meta joke. For those who know, you know. You know. Anyway, Kevin.

No, but I was thinking like you could make them chameleons. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You could protect your friends. Like Harry Potter. Solid colors. You can make them look like the wall behind them. Which is usually a solid color.

Like in pink panther. Or it could be like intricate colors. Because I'm thinking like this would be the right answer if you were one of the three brothers from that Harry Potter story. Yeah, they're definitely hollowed people. Because it's like you can't protect yourself, but you can protect your friends. Right? So I feel like the good Christian answer

Is to say the skin color one But if you ever a soulboy can go tackle someone and blow up But also if they're wearing clothes The clothes color doesn't change Their hair color assumingly doesn't change This is a rather limited power Well okay, fair enough Your friends will just have to be naked all this

There's a floating piece of hair on this wall It could be anybody Is that a person there? Josh, what do you think? what color would you make me Josh cyan I think I would look great as cyan I mean it's not a real color

just denied like a vulcan violet just like iridescent have you heard that is this purple is not a real color

or is it pink what are we talking about here what is it's pink I was not fake color because it's like red and blue yeah because purple's red and blue so it's not real

like it's fake you got Roy and then you got big They're not close to each other. I thought. Well, no, because if you do it with light, it's red and blue together. Makes this sort of like magenta pinkish color. And that's not on the electromagnetic spectrum.

It's like a hallucination. You're Brian. You're Brian. You're Brian. You got to get your brain. It's going to tell you what the colors. No. Sorry, was that offensive to your people?

Yes. Barry. It's okay. It's a shot back at it. You're going to go pack my car and have it. Yeah. See, I can do Boston too. That's not me.

Boston. strictly. but what were they talking about? Pink is not a real color. Oh, it's not a real color. Because your brain doesn't know what to do with those colors. So the experience you have that we call pink is just your brain trying to make sense of information

that doesn't make sense. See, I feel like there's a meta thing, commentary you can do here about women whose favorite color is pink. They're really just placing. They're hallucinating. Imaginary hallucinatory. Their favorite thing to do is hallucinate. Yeah.

Metac commentary. We hear on boys only only wear blue. Yeah. Our favorite color is blue. It's warm. I'm literally wearing blue right now. We're all wearing only blue. I'm wearing only blue.

I got so many compliments today on this freaking shirt. It's a good shirt. I haven't worn in four years. It's a fantastic shirt. I got it the summer after my senior year. No, no, that's not true. I got this to go to Germany because I didn't look like a slob because they always dress at least this nice.

I could not handle that. Do they like work out and they like have workout clothes? They just work out in khakis. Well, no, they work out and then they immediately get into khakis and stuff. Like, they're just like, T-shirts are just not a thing. There are at least graphic teas. It's like you people know immediately that you're a tourist or you're a American. Oh, I wouldn't die.

Or sweatpants. No one would wear sweatpants in public. It was kind of weird. And I didn't want to get outed and for people to immediately switch to English when they spoke to me. So I was like in disguise. Also, I look super German. Yeah, that helped. Yeah.

Undercovering. Germany, bro. That also is the name of this episode is undercover in Germany. Yep. It's going to be none of the things I've said. No, every time we say this is the name, it's not that. It's never been. Not even one time.

I still take the blowup power. I stand by the blow up power. I have no purpose in turning you, cyan. I think it's hilarious to turn people. You know what? You're pissing me up. Green. Go talk to that pretty girl.

Now you're green. What about party trick? I run over in the street and I blow up. Oh, man, there's a, it won't be able. so much on the... Any of the benefits. You're gone from the party. Yeah.

Unless you slept there. I fall asleep. I take a nap. I wake up and I run like 30 feet from it. And then I like blow up and I can see it like the residual ash. What would be really funny though is if people do not know about your power and you did not sleep before. They're like, oh my God.

And you... Ah! Boom. Oh my gosh. That dude just exploded. Mid-Manning Street. Yonel would go crazy. SD just exploded.

in the middle of Manning's great. That's what I'm saying. That's awesome. Just genuinely creeper magazine. Yeah. And you show up the next day and make everyone feel like they're crazy. Would you like sizzle and then explode?

Yeah, he'd glow like and then boom. Would it? Just wait until he gets struck by lightning. And charged storm. Charge, charge. It would be so interesting

if you had forgot that you were in a hotel the night before. Oh my God. If you fly somewhere. Patriot. Sleep on a plane. what happens. Oh.

You are on the plane. Wherever the plane happens to be, you're just on it. Well, are you in that seat or are you like in mid-air? No, I think you're in the seat.

Okay, okay. Okay. What if you blow up in the bed you last slept in? I think it's, it's, it doesn't say in the bed. If you destroy the bed,

you die. It's like bed wars. Oh. Oh my gosh. You cannot destroy the bed you last lepten or you're cooked. Or wherever the bed gets destroyed when you're not there.

If the bed is starting, you better not exposed. You have to, you better are exposed you to sleep first to reset your spawn point. Yeah, click it. You can just reset spawn. It says that you can click it.

Boom. Reset spawn point. Great. Boom. Boom. Boom's only. No, dude. I'm doing that.

I got to impress the ladies. You want to watch me detonate in the street? Boom. What? It would be way from any of you, we're going into guts. It's just like, oh, it's like super gory.

Red and red mistmills. That's terrible, dude. Oh my gosh. That's a traumatize everybody. I don't want. this. Go to Bird and do it. You know what traumatized everybody? You went to Burton, you turn. Max Goody Blue. Yeah, no, that is that, that is the movie.

Oh, dude, that guy's talking to all the ladies. Yeah, he's green. He's green now. You are purple. Just destroy someone's life. Thank you, Wyatt Peters for that question. We're like, they don't reflect any light. They disappear. Translucent into that. And then just leave.

Just leave. Don't even talk about it. They make them live a day of their life green. That's a horrible power. Could you give your friends a tan? Yeah. Would it be a permanent tan? Yes. When their skin sheds, assuming

when their skin sheds, does it go back to their old color? Yes. Okay. That's the caveat. It goes back. It's just the top layer. The epidermis?

Is that the top layer? Yes. The epidermis. I actually don't know. It might be. Josh, science, help us. Epah. Black holes.

The dermis is skin. Epa means on top. You know that every seven years you fully molt? Like all your skin that you had seven years ago is gone and you're into your skin. I hate that so much. Yeah. So I actually am fresh into my fourth. Like I finished my third molt a year ago.

Don't say that. Stop. No, no. You're not in your third mold. You're not in your third molt. You would be. I'm in my fourth. You're almost done with your third. 21.

Hold on you molt once at seven. Again at 14. Again at 21. Okay, so that's two. I feel like when you're fresh, you don't molt as quickly. Oh, okay, I've molted three times. I don't like that. Yeah.

Because hold on, your organs don't do that, though, so you're still like the same. But neither do bugs when they molt. It's just that they shed their layers. I've molted. Bug? Bug. Like that bug Omni Men fights in the first, episode six? A bug?

Thanks. Cool, I guess. Cool story. I've heard so much about this show. I highly recommend. We watched the finale of season four last night. Invincible just came out, guys. It's really good.

This fourth season just dropped. Similar to Josh's warning earlier, TV mature, only because it's very gory. It's very violent. But it's a, it's centered around character growth and development. So if you like complex interactions with violence, family trauma, sorrow, PTSD, stuff like that, it's, it's very respectful. But also, at times, lighthearted and fun when it needs to be.

They also have an insane cast of voice actors. Yeah. Like, it's crazy. Sometimes the people they get... J.K. Simmons, right? J.K.K. Simmons in there. The guy who played Glenn on the Walking Dead, whose name I'm blanking on,

plays the main character. Yes. Stephen Young. Yes. And then isn't the mom also someone famous? Mom's also someone famous. The whole cast is starsteaded. They keep adding more people as the universe expands. But superhero show, but with the twist of,

this is actually pretty dark. Yeah. it was. The boys is just gratuitous to the point of like, why am I watching this? Invincible is like they actually take the concept seriously. Okay. So I like it a lot. Yeah, that's good. Because I kind of, I think I was categorizing in my head in the same space as the boys.

And I kind of have a familiar, I have a similar feeling where it's just, this is not worth it. It's gross. It's not worth my time. I'm not a fan of the boys. But Invincible, I love, love, love, love. I think it takes reality and doesn't make it like, it doesn't over exaggerate. It just portrays accurately no matter what it is.

So, like, it will take a complex thing and what maybe the boys would portray just way over the top, a way over the top version of this struggle that a superhero would have, it portrays it more realistically. Like how a superhero deals with being, that's how I kind of also describe it as like how do you deal with having superpowers? Yes. I mean, the premise is like imagine your dad's Superman and then one day when you're like 18 or 17, you start to get powers and then like that relationship, that father-son dynamic is like the crux of the first season of the show in the beginning of the launching point. It's guys.

Anyway, fourth season just came out. The finale blew my mind. I'm still... I've only seen the first episode of season four. The last half of season four is unbelievable. Okay. I'll have to give it a watch. It's a masterclass in science fiction

slash superhero storytelling. You know what's a master class in storytelling as well? This show. Yeah. And you know what? All good stories need to have. An ending. Themes.

Yeah. Character. Yeah. But an ending. But right now, I can hear. in the back of my earphones that little music. We're not going to do that again. We're not going to do that again.

That took forever to edit correctly. Well, guys. Actually, this is unedited. You're right. All the way through. That's true, actually. It's very unedited. We add music.

They'll edit out this part, though. No. This part right here is actually not in the episode. Yep. Oh. Yes, it is. It is in the episode, actually. Well, Kevin and Josh, thank you guys for coming on boys only. Yes.

Give us a race for having us. Give us your last words. Give us your last words before. The last words. The parting guidance of the senior men. Oh. We didn't even mention that this is literally outstanding senior man, Kevin Pines. Outstanding senior, you're outstanding senior man?

Congratulations. Oh my gosh. Legitimately did not even mention that. That's so noted. I'm just glad to be standing. Thanks. Thanks for much for having us on your show. I mean, yeah, I think I already said my piece that I would call my advice for people still in college.

But, you know, the people are the most important part of college. that's what's going to last. Invest in those things. Life doesn't get less busy when you graduate. It gets busier. And I'll always say that, but I haven't even graduated yet. But I just know it's coming. So yeah, invest in those.

Do not take them for granted. You'll never have an easier time to make lifelong friends than right now. Incredible. Josh. I'd say learn when to say no to things. Ooh. Can you elaborate a little bit? Don't get involved in too many things

because then you kind of lose the opportunity to say yes to the side quest that come up in life. Leave yourself open to those opportunities. Yeah. Like this opportunity right here. Yeah. Two beautiful pieces of wisdom.

From two beautiful men. Two beautiful men. As established earlier, two beautiful men. Well, thank you all for listening. It's always a blast. Storm, you want to send us out with some kind of a funny... Some sort of idioms, some kind of, yeah, epigramic thing with finality to it.

Yeah, let me think of something to end the episode.