WRFH/Radio Free Hillsdale 101.7 FM - Real Ramen Hour: Bone Broth Ramen - Remembering Across Generations

Episode Date: March 6, 2026

In this episode, Ashlyn and Lily share stories of their grandparents and the hardships they endured amid political violence in Taiwan and Korea. These conversations remind us that history lives on through family memory— in resilience, sacrifice, and quiet courage.

Hey guys, welcome to Real Ramen Hour, where we have real conversation about real things and real food. And today we're going to talk about very important people. Because they are our grandparents. Yes. These people that have left an impact in your lives. Yeah. Yeah, and they're just really cool people. So, yeah, there's a special reason why we're doing it this week, Ashland.

Well, today is, I don't know when this episode will come out, but right now it is February 28th, and that marks the anniversary of several very important political situations in Taiwan, including one that involves my family and my grandparents. So, yep, it's Peace Memorial Day in Taiwan, and it commemorates the 2-2-8 massacre and murders there. So we decided to do this episode today. Yeah. So if you didn't catch the word murders and massacres, this is going to be a slightly heavier episode. And yeah, we're diving deep into family history that involves a lot of war and communism and just

suffering. They're really important stories that need to be heard. But if you're here for the laughs and like the normal episode, I'll come back next week. This week we're going to talk about some really cool history. No, but do still listen to this podcast. I think it is. Yeah, it's just, yeah, disclaimer. This is going to be a little bit of a different style.

Very serious. Yeah. So Ashlyn and I will be sharing some stories about our grandparents today. Yeah. But first, we always have to share a recipe with you guys. And today, Keenom is going to share a recipe that her grandmother likes to make for her. Speaking of Asian heritage. Yes.

So my grandmothers, I still remember this, but this is one of my favorite recipes. I have not successfully recreated yet because Asian do not measure. They just do it whenever they feel like it's right. I don't know. But it is fried spring roll. So like I know people, Americans or like, you know, a lot of people like to call it egg rolls, but it's actually fried spring roll because we use spring roll wrapper. It's just a very special kind from Vietnam.

And then we would have the fillings of either half pork, have usually chicken, but depending on yours preference. But half pork, half chicken, and then we have vermicelli noodles to make it a little more like, you know, textures wise. Sometimes we even put corn in it and it tastes good too. Oh. Yeah. And, but I just like it the plain, simple way of just the fillings with

Rame and Shelley, green onion, shallots, maybe, and carrots. So that's how I get my carrots intake. I do not like carrots. But it is a very good recipe to have during holidays when you're eating with your families because the little kids love it. And I love it and I'm like 21. So I really enjoy it. Is it like, what is the wrapper like?

It's actually a lot more. So you have to probably soak it in water first before, or like use your hand to brush the water onto the piece of rice paper because you just want it to soften naturally. And then you would use it to wrap rather than the regular egg roll where they, it gets kind of solid. It's like almost like more flowery. So when you bite into it, there's a little bit more of like, I, I don't. didn't like it because there's a lot more pastry to it, which I don't like. I like the clean, fresh taste of just like the thing that is separating between you and the filling is just one thin piece of rice paper. So there's no wheat in the wrap. Okay, that's cool. But you still fry it.

Okay. You just got to be very careful because you have to fry it on really low temperature and you got to watch it, which I have not been able to do. What is the typical dipping sauce? Like what What do you use to make that? So we do have a recipe. It's fish sauce. Lime. Yeah, lime. Well, sometimes people use vinegar, but my family like using lime because we like the thing.

And then, yeah. Chili, like the actual chili. Garlic. Sugar, palm sugar, preferably. But I don't know, to each their own. But yeah, usually it's very fresh. Like, you just want to keep everything kind of light. And the sauce is very, like, tangy, like, salty, sweet a little bit.

But everything you want to elevate the food and not trying to, like, kind of make it heavy, I'm assuming. That sounds really good because fried food is typically very heavy. But this sounds like it got a good balance of freshness and tang. And the texture, like, the crunch on the outside and then like the... So the inside, one other question, you said, There's carrots and, like, other veggies. Do you cook those or are they fresh? They're fresh.

Okay. Because you fry them on a really low temperature, so it usually could cook the inside. Okay. Or you flash fry them the first time, and then you kind of like fry them again. Have you, my mom's made it with shrimp before? Is that like a totally different thing?

Well, it's depending on the region. Sometime when you make it decorative, you put the shrimp at the end of the wrapper. Yeah, like it's cute. Like you can see it through. Yeah. Depending on, it's very much, I'm from the central of Vietnam, so we like, we're not like the most decorated person ever

in some sense. So we just like the taste. And I just like the meat kind of ground and just like one texture in that sense of like proteins. Yeah. Yum. Yum. I know. Wow. Thanks for sharing. Yeah. You should make that for lunch. Yeah. It's too close to lunch. Guys, like, I feel like my stomach is scrowling too much right now. Yeah, but I'm going to. Uh-oh. Well, do you want to start, Ashland?

Okay. I'll start with this story about my grandparents and my family in Taiwan. So I'm going to get into some history at first, just so you know the landscape of Taiwan at the time, like the political landscape. So Japan had colonized Taiwan for a while but during World War II because they lost

the Allied forces had Chiang Kai Shack which you've probably heard of the Allied powers they asked Chen Kais Shik to basically

make expel Japan from Taiwan and the Americans signed this multilateral treaty of peace with Japan, the San Francisco Treaty of 1951, that specified that Japan would give up sovereignty of Taiwan. It however did not say anything about to whom Taiwan was going to be given. It just said that Japan would have to give up sovereignty. But because Chiang Kai Shik was a representative of the Allied power, not a representative of the People's Republic of China. He's Chinese, though.

He basically took over Taiwan during this time because there was no specification of who would have Taiwan. Instead of just kicking out Japan, he took over Taiwan instead of his dictatorship there. And because of the Korean and Cold War, nobody really kicked him out or said you couldn't do that. So he basically had free reign in Taiwan for a while. So during this time,

This was 1945. Chiang Shack sent his governor general to take over occupation of Taiwan. And during this time, the economy tanked. Everything was in shambles. They stripped the provinces bear. That was his specialty. That's an awful specialty. Yeah.

And he actually got a lot of funding and things like that from America because during this time, he propagandized that he was fighting the communists in China, like Mao, like that over there. So everyone was like, oh, this guy's so great. And probably a lot of people nowadays still think that. But he was just using that as an excuse to get more funding to have his own fascist dictatorship in Taiwan. So during this time, there was like very little food to go around. The economy was really bad. And at one point, this little old lady was selling cigarettes from the black market on the streets because she didn't have any food and that was the only way she could get money and the the government military police came and roughed her up and the Taiwanese

people were really outraged about this and because of that they rose up all over Taiwan and kicked out the military police and established provisional governments with different leaders so during this time Chiang-Keshik's governor general was pretending to negotiate with the new leaders of these Taiwanese people, but he was actually just taking down a list of names. And on February 28, 1947, which is the anniversary, today is the anniversary of that, the governor general sent troops to Taiwan, and they shot their way down the whole island and arrested the leaders of the professional government. So one thing they did was they had like a save bullets tactic because

They didn't want to waste their bullets. And they would tie up three Taiwanese people together. They'd shoot one in the head, and then they'd bounce them next to a lake and let the weight of the dead body pull both of the other people down so that all of them would die, but they wouldn't have to waste bullets on all three of them. So bodies would just wash up everywhere, and there'd be mass graves everywhere because of that. So this was the, this was a 2-2-8 massacre that. that happened in 1947.

And after this, martial law was firmly established, and that's basically just no freedom of speech, no freedom of petition, no freedom of assembly, anything you say could be held against you. It was called the white terror period because people would just disappear randomly if they accidentally said anything that could possibly be linked to bad-mouthing the government

or disagreeing with any of the policies. So this actually happened all the way up until 1987, which is fairly recent. Because Chen Kai Shek, when he died, his son took over the dictatorship and continued martial law. So during this time, this is where my family comes in during the white terror period, there was an undercover magazine that popped up, and it was called the Formosa magazine, or Mila Do in Taiwanese. And there is a huge network of this undercover, and it would be like this little old lady selling flowers on the street. And if you said the right words, she would have a magazine underneath the flowers somewhere. And she'd just like whip it out and give it to you secretly.

So it was just an undercover Taiwanese movement. And eventually this whole undercover organization had organized a peaceful protest. And so many people showed up that to this peaceful, protest that the government was scared and immediately started arresting everyone involved in this peaceful protest. This was in 1979. Gauchong incident is what it's called. And one of the people they arrested was my grandfather. So he was a lawyer who advised the magazine, although he wasn't like explicitly a part of it. And he was also prominent politician and very outspoken about democratic ideals and human rights. So one day like my mom when she's little,

She said she woke up and he wasn't there. And she asked where he was and they just were like, oh, he enlisted in the military or something. But actually he was taken to prison during this time. Yeah. So he and a lot of like every single person involved was arrested and taken to prison. And in prison they were tortured to sign confession letters that they were communist so that they would look bad and that the government would have the ability to, just kind of like blame it on communism and be like oh these people this is why we arrested them whatever um but he was tortured he didn't sign them um but his mom so my great-grandmother went to

visit him in jail and noticed like the effects of the torture obviously and so she called amnesty international on this situation but unfortunately her phone was tapped so the government found out that she called Amnesty International. What is that? It's like the, I don't, I didn't like look it up specifically. I think it's for the people to be, like, awareness on torture and things like, wait, Keenami look it up real quick. Okay, so some organization that kind of checks on that.

To an abuse of human rights, so it's like in a campaign. Yeah. So Amnesty International is a campaign that works on the abuse of human rights and such. So she called them and her phone was tapped so the government found out about it. And because of that, they decided to make an example of his family to scare like anyone else, any other Taiwanese from doing anything like that in the future. So just for context, during this time, my mom's house. was under 24-hour police surveillance because the government was supposedly trying to take care of them, you know, and keep, because her dad was in jail, whatever.

But on the anniversary of 228, so this would be February 28th in 1980, they sent an assassin to my mom's house. And this was in broad daylight. And while the house was under 24-hour police surveillance. So it was obviously a political maneuver and not just like a random undercover thing. So my mom was like walking back from school because her school was nearby and she knocked on the door of her house. And nobody was letting her in for a while so she kept knocking and knocking. And finally the door was opened by this Chinese looking guy. But she thought because their house had lots of guests.

She just thought it was just a random guess to open the door. So she like walked inside, went to her room. was taking off her backpack and then he came behind her and swiped at her with a knife and she thankfully um was able to block it with her backpack but he kept stabbing her several times and he did like if if she hadn't been able to block the first one it probably would have been fatal um but because she was aware of it she was able to like semi block some of the stabs and she um managed to basically just not die at that moment and then her grandmother who was across the street, like buying vegetables or something, walked in and distracted the murder,

and he went and killed her grandmother and left her for dead. Also another detail is that her twin sisters, she was about eight at this time, and she had two twin younger sisters. They were probably around six, and they were also stabbed to death during this time. So she was left for dead and her mom, my grandmother, was visiting my grandfather in jail. So her mom was not in the house at the time, which was a big praise. But eventually her mom was like calling home and couldn't get any answer from anybody. So her mom went and called somebody to go check on the house and then they found my mom left for dead with a bunch of stab wounds. And thankfully they were able to quickly get her help and try to send her to a hospital.

So, yes, but her twin sisters and her grandmother did not survive the murder. So after this happened, the doctors were actually scared to operate on her because it was the anniversary of 2-28. And so they, or February 28th, we call it 2-28 in Taiwan. And so it took them a while to decide to operate on her, but thankfully they eventually did. And she ended up being in the hospital for several months, but she survived. But the important thing about this was it was meant to terrorize the Taiwanese, but instead it backfired on the government because they were very enraged. The Taiwanese were very enraged that someone would go and murder innocent little six-year-old

girls and an innocent grandmother because of just because. the dad was like speaking out for human rights and things like that. So because of this, God used it for good and people started speaking up despite the terror and different peaceful political movements followed. And eventually in 2000s, Taiwan was able to elect the first pro-Taiwan president. And it was the first peaceful transfer of power from Chankai Shack's party to a pro-Taiwan party. Yeah, so that's kind of how my family was involved in this whole situation. And we're very thankful now that Taiwan is its own independent country, despite some of the aggression from China.

And another detail I wanted to end on was that the Taiwan Presbyterian Church during this time was one of the few organizations that was willing to associate themselves with my mom's family because people were so scared to, like, associate with them in case their family was murdered or their family was something happened to their family. So I think my mom said that some Christians came to the hospital when she was getting operated on and, like, prayed for her, which is very sweet. And also, she and my grandmother, who are the only ones left, besides my grandfather who was in jail, they needed, they wanted to go to America, basically, to flee there to get out of the whole political situation. And while my grandfather was still in jail. And they didn't have any funds to do so.

And the only people that would give them the funds to do so and purchase their house in Taiwan so they could do that was the Taiwan Presbyterian Church. because nobody wanted to purchase a murder site. So the town of Presbyterian Church purchased their house, the murder site, and because of that, they were able to have money to flee to America and start a new life there. And what happened to your grandfather? So he eventually was let out of jail. I guess it was, I forget the exact date. It was sometime when my mom was in high school.

Yeah. And for a while he was in America, but now, we've all moved back to Taiwan and yeah he was like he's still very active politically involved in like the nuclear power plant situation and where this was a more recent thing but the government was trying to set up a nuclear power plant on Taiwan which is one of the stupidest things ever because Taiwan has frequent earthquakes and literally it could create like a nuclear mass issue if some earthquake like messed it up or something so um he did like a peaceful um fasting protest where he fasted for a very long time and finally the government gave in

so he's still very active um he has been very active in the political sphere but again like the whole um all these things are focused on being peaceful protests like like Gandhi or Martin Luther King Jr., etc. So that's kind of what the Taiwanese people are attempting to do against this. So, yeah. Yep. Wow, that is such an incredible story. And that's like just crazy to think how recent it was, too.

Yeah, that was. Yeah, I was looking up dates recently. And I knew it was recent, but I was looking at dates just to like refresh my memory for this. podcast and I was like whoa that was only like 40 years ago so yeah but a lot can change in 40 years and we're very thankful for the changes that have happened so far so and so did you grow up learning these stories or how did you who told you and like how did you learn all this well because it was so recent um I kind of like grew up knowing about it a lot immediately. My mom used to do some, like she would do some interviews with TV

stations sometimes when I was young. And my grandfather has always been very politically present when I was young. So I was always aware of this. Every year we do a 228 memorial at the church that was built in the house that was the murder site. So we'd go there and then we'd up to the gravesite and like lots of people would be there, lots of reporters would be there. Yeah, so I was always aware of this when I was very little. Yeah. But a lot of Taiwanese actually I've not learned much about this. So, yeah.

Oh, wow. Yeah. Because there was a lot of propaganda in the school during the martial law time and people were, for example, forced to speak Chinese instead of Taiwanese or, and they were also like forced to, you know, hail the dictator as this wonderful person. and et cetera. So, yeah, the younger generations, unless their parents were very active in telling them about these issues, a lot of them hear about it later in life.

Yeah. Well, we're sharing the story now. Yeah. I highly doubt any Americans have heard of it either way. Yeah. Lily, what about your grandparents? Yeah, well, so the reason I asked, like, if you knew the story's, growing up is because my, so I will be talking about my mom's parents, so the Korean grandparents,

my grandfather passed away from cancer before I was born. So I've only really had my humony, my Korean grandmother, who has the story of her life and her husband's life, but she almost never talked about her family or her history and just her early life, at least, the hard parts of it growing up. And so she would sometimes tell me like happy memories from her childhood. But in general, it wasn't a lot of like the stereotypical grandparents sit you on their knee, tell you about their life. Like I definitely never really even thought about her early life.

And then I would learn some stories that my mom would tell me. And then my dad also is very interested in history. So maybe 10 years ago, he was trying to gather a lot of bits and pieces from her story and kind of trying to compile that into a document. Because for his dad of the family, he has like a giant binder of like the Rasmussen family history that he'd like read to us as a bedtime story. So his like Norwegian side is very well documented. But yeah, my Holmeny's story is very like kind of scattered. My aunt who speaks Korean knows more of it just because they could speak to each other in Korean, but especially in the more recent years.

She just, I mean, time has also healed a lot of things and kind of healed over a lot of memories that she's wanted to forget, but it's just kind of not as clear of a story. So, yeah, I was trying to compile it this morning from different things. But yeah, I'll talk about my hominy. She's like the cutest, like, sweetest little lady ever. When Patrick met her on FaceTime when we got engaged, I've never seen him more charmed. Wait, can't I say this? More charmed by a woman?

That sounds bad. He was like, his heart, he was just so, like, touch. It was like a five-minute call because she's super polite. She, like, thinks she's wasting our time. we call her so joyful she's like claps her hand and like we'll laugh and smile loudly um very korean big emotions and like she'll cry every time we leave um oh so cute if you watch a kha drama like it's so accurate the amount of crying and laughing and yelling it's like that's just koreans um food is her love language like i gain like five pounds every time i visit her it's painful the amount i have to

eat um but yeah so yeah her story is a little ambiguous um because yeah she lived through well she was kind of born around the time of the great depression and the japanese occupation and then lived through world war two and then the Korean war and so there's been a lot she's been through and we actually don't even know her age because her birth certificate was lost during the war so Okay, that's crazy. There's like three different ages she could be because there's like the Korean age, which like they calculate a little differently. Uh-huh.

And then her like real biological age and then like her American documents age. Anyways. But yeah, I'll tell you what I have. So she grew up in a town called Kesson, which is like a town just barely north and past the border in North Korea. Which it was just Korea back. then, just above the 38th parallel. And she lived, she was very close with her grandparents who owned a noodle shop there. I would always hear about this noodle shop and was very like, ooh, that sounds really good.

And so, but yeah, this was during, I guess towards the end of the Great Depression during the Japanese occupation. So she had to go at school. she had to speak Japanese and like have a Japanese name. So like even from like the earliest moments in life, her identity as a Korean was already kind of compromised. Like that was already not even quite there. And she had three sisters, I think, maybe four and one brother. And her brother went to, he was the oldest, I think, and my home when he was the youngest. So I think around World War II, he was at college at Seoul National University, and Seoul is like the big city that's in South Korea, but it's like right next to the border.

And he was studying something with science. And so he was hired by like the government scientific institute that later became the nuclear commission. So like a lot of government kind of war stuff, like super secret things. And yeah, so after World War II, the Soviets were occupying north of the 38th parallel and the American soldiers were in the south part. And that's kind of the division that ended up with North and South Korea. Because after World War II, the Korean War broke out. And so, you know, it's like, you know, it's basically when you split a

country and a half, you know, communists and then the Americans, like that's, yeah, not great, especially when it's neither of their country. So, um, and so my Humane's older brother, who was working for the government, was kidnapped by the North Koreans. And, um, I don't know if, like, yeah, there's not much information on that. He was never seen again. So, yeah, it's suspected he was he had valuable information to help the North Koreans in their war effort um and so at this time my humane and her family were actually in Seoul they had moved past the border thankfully so they weren't like shut in when the war started um but they had to evacuate from Seoul because that was very close to the border and throughout the Korean war it's like the

Americans pushed up and then China sent over a bunch of soldiers and like pushed them back down and took Seoul. So it was like you didn't want to be anywhere near the border during that time. And so one of, I think my aunt had this written down that her family had to evacuate like on foot, like carrying like a bag of rice that her mom would like wash in the stream and like cook over a fire and they'd sleep in barns, cow barns, like on the hay. It just sounds like a time. A time. It just sounds like a totally different world. This is like 1950. Um, and so they, I think they tried to go back to Seoul and then the Chinese soldiers were coming in. Um, so they went down to a further southern city and stayed there for the next three years. The war lasted three years. Um, and they got to that city riding on a truck

sitting on top of boxes. Aw. So it's just like, yeah, it's just crazy to think that that was her life and yeah um yeah her brother was missing so it was just her and her sisters and her mom and i think her mom passed away at some point during this time too um and so after the war was over she went back to soul and went to college there imagine going to college after all that um she studied voice and um yeah and so that i think i think i guys, this is a little hard to know, but I think that's where she met my grandfather. Like that period of time after the war. Okay.

So meanwhile, my grandfather was born and raised in like, I don't know the city, but it's, it was slightly more kind of more in North Korea, more firmly in there because he had like a stronger North Korean accent. And my mom says that I'm like him because I leave my socks everywhere and I like Nangian and tofu, which apparently he did all those things. So, yeah, he was, he had a fun personality. Okay. And so one account says at the start of the war he fled south because he was, he was, he was, before the rest of his family did because he was being persecuted for being a Christian. And then another account says at the start of the war, like one Sunday, they were coming home from church and they passed by the train station.

And everyone was like pushing and shoving to get on the train. And his mom just grabbed him and his younger sister and like put them on the train. And they were still like in their choir robes and everything from church. And yeah, so then that was the last. either story is that he and somehow his little sister made it out but the rest of his family didn't um and so yeah he never never went back um to north korea and his some relative or friend said like the last they saw of his hometown they had seen like his mother's corpse like somewhere in there so like they made it out just in time, it sounds like.

And so then he made it across the border. Once he was in South Korea, he joined the South Korean army and started fighting. And then at some point he got like a wound in his arm or both of his arms, and that got infected really badly. And so they like swelled up and the doctors were like, we're going to have to amputate your arms. which is like really unfortunate because my grandpa wanted to become a doctor and like a surgeon and so he was like no you can't navigate my arms like you're not doing that and so they were just like they were just like they kind of follow him around and like wait for him to fall asleep and they were going to do the surgery once he fell asleep because they're like this is the only way you're going to survive that's crazy and so he like stayed up just for like as long as he was he like he stayed up just for like as long as he was he's like he could. I don't know how many days it was or how long it was. But, okay, and also, like,

I don't know how true this story is. I've heard it multiple times in different people, but apparently he fell asleep somehow. And he ended up, like, falling down a flight of stairs. And when he fell, his arms, which were all swollen, like, kind of burst and, like, all the infection came out. Okay. And then he didn't have to get his arms amputated. Wow. Okay. That's crazy. Which is like, yeah, I don't know if, like, they couldn't Lance his arm earlier. I don't, like, I don't know how that happened, but it's kind of like a miracle story.

Yeah, at least the way I've heard it. Yeah, God's Providence. Yeah, God's Providence, like, okay, I'm going to make you fall down a flight of stairs and you won't have to get your arms amputated. Yeah. And so he got discharged from fighting because his arms didn't really, I guess, yeah, because of the injury. And then I think the war ended soon after that. And then he went to Seoul National University to study medicine. His uncle who was like an artillery officer funded his college tuition. I think that's where he met my home in me. But they might have met before the war actually.

I don't know. I don't know the timeline of that. Then my grandfather went to America to get his Ph.D. and MD. And he would write letters to Halmany every day. Aw. Apparently. So cute. So cute. And then eventually she came over there and they got married and had my mom and had the rest of her siblings. Was your mom the oldest? Mm-hmm. Yeah. And then they moved to Canada where he was a professor. So, yeah, kind of crazy stories. So my mom was then, like, raised by two parents who had just kind of wanted to leave everything, well, not wanted to leave everything behind, but had to leave everything behind.

My hominy had to leave her grandparents and the noodle shop. Like, that was in North Korea when she left, and my grandfather had to leave his family behind. And there was just no way at the end of the war, like, you can't. can't go back. So their hometowns were off limits. And a lot of their families were kind of torn apart. You know, some made it to South Korea. Some didn't. And yeah, so there was just a lot of hardship there. And so for my mom growing up, it wasn't necessarily like, oh, we need to, you know, I need to teach you all about my Korean heritage and, you know, give you all these traditions. So instead of teaching my mom Korean, they made her teach them English because they wanted to be more like self-sufficient. They wanted to be able to like when their kids moved out, they wanted to be able to talk to their doctors and insurance and figure all that out on their own and just kind of assimilate into Western culture.

So yeah, but they were both, they were both Christians. And I think that's what often held their family together is just their identity in Christ. not having a country or a family necessarily to be able to depend on. And just through all of that turmoil, trying to, you know, get out and start a fresh somewhere else. So, yeah. My mom definitely, yeah, she's very American. She's very American in, like, her behavior a lot of it. But she definitely has, you know, certain things.

She just picked up from having Korean parents and, like, the food, obviously. The food love language has definitely been passed down through the generations. So, yeah, it's kind of crazy that, like, even just preparing it this morning, I was like, I can't believe there's stories like this because, you know, my hominy just never talked about it. And I, yeah. And both your story and my story, like, in the end the reason why we have such joyful grandparents or in my case I have a very joyful grandmother and a very joyful mom is that they find their identity in Christ and like my mom said when she was little she like would stay up late at night when she heard about her which was a lot later than it happened because they kept not telling her what when she heard about her sisters and her grandmother being murdered she would like stay up at night and try to memorize the the murderers face and like try to so that in the future she could seek revenge on him um but like when she became a christian and she also like vowed to never cry anymore um and then um when she became a christian

she would just start tearing up whenever she shared her story and she no longer like wanted to like go kill the murderer or anything like that of her own accord like she was no longer fixated on that but she was fixated on christ and death. Yeah. Yeah. It's amazing how joyful they could be with such backgrounds. Definitely. Yeah, and just, yeah, you kind of have to just make a decision when you've gone through

hardship of that kind because it could make you lose faith in humanity and lose faith in the world. But you're not supposed to have faith in those things anyways. Yeah. So, yeah. Yeah, it's really cool to hear those stories and I feel so privileged now just to, like, I don't know. It sounds like a, it sounds so distant, you know. Yeah. Like so far away.

Time-wise, but also like, yeah, just, I've never experienced anything like that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, those are our very serious stories for this podcast. Yeah. We'll definitely get back to the more funny things next time. Yeah. But, yeah, we just wanted to share.

these at some point. We thought these were important to share. Yeah. And it's just kind of a way to respect the previous generations and learn from them. Yeah. Get some history in there. You know, like I've gotten the dates down. I don't know.

The different wars are overlapping. But it's also interesting to think about how our stories slightly crossover, too. Yes. Like the Korean War. Yeah. Japanese occupation, yes. And just the influence of, you know, all these different types of governments fighting over these people groups and lands and things. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow, that was really, like, very, you know, learning moments for me to hear all these stories. Because probably I probably heard here and there, but I've never, like, sit down and fully, like, grabs that everything that your families have been through. And I feel like a lot of family, you know, although those stories are not shared, these are all family that are impacted by wars. And, you know, and it's just very, like, you know, eye-opening. So, yeah. So anyways. Yeah.

Well, thank you guys for listening. No, thank you for sharing. Good times. Yeah. Yeah, we'll be back next week with some hot takes. Yes. Probably. Yeah.

A big, mood change. Yeah. Yeah. And tonight, this is a weird thing to say now that we've just shared these stories. But tonight, make sure you go enjoy some good food with your friends. Your family. And your family. And you know, we encourage you to go, you know, talk to your grandparents about their stories. And also dive in a history of a bit more. See what happened in the past and how that has affected our lives today. so yep all right well we'll see you next week bye I need you baby

you know I'm just remember to talk in your mic hello always adjusting you up because we wrote these all down this morning I was like I was reading word for word I was like yeah I was just