WRFH/Radio Free Hillsdale 101.7 FM - Telos of the Cake | Boys Only #16

Episode Date: October 4, 2025

Nate and Storm chat with Jonathan "JWillyHilly" Williams about winning Homecoming, doorway etiquette, and leadership.

For the first ever time, ever, you're hearing my voice first. And then we're going to hear whose voice second? Mine? Oh, that's nice. Do you guys ever dance, like, competitively? Dance competitively? Dance competitively. So good that you get second place.

I've done it three times now. Me and Storm have danced so well competitively three times. We've gotten second place all three times, yet we've always got to first place in something. In what matters, really. First place in greatest podcast on air. What podcast is this? This podcast, the one you're listening to right now,

is a winners podcast. It's boys only. That was great. Thanks, man. We should have more often. Speaking of winners, our guest this week is Jonathan Williams. How's it going, man? It's great.

Great to be on the show. A little nervous, must attest. This is kind of my podcast debut. I listen to a lot of podcasts, but it's tough to to be on the first one. A huge fan, been a fan since day one, been listening to a lot of guests.

Who was the first guest? The first guest was Mark Ayers. And who was the second guest? That's a deeper poll. I don't even remember. Loki, I forgot. Oh,

oh, it was Gabe Beckwith. Okay. Yeah. Hey, we got great guys. You could quiz me in this podcast and I probably would fail.

I get a hundred. This is like being on late night TV. It's like the amount of people that is sat in this chair, Dr. Church. Your number 16. This is a position. I'm the 16th ever guest. Sweet 16.

Sweet. That's so nice. Who are you? What do you do? What do you yap? We may know you from where. You might know me from being the Simpson head resident assistant. I've been an RA there for three years.

This is my fourth year living there. You might know me from, it seems like I'm on just everything, admission social media now. So that's something that I haven't expected. As well as overheard Hillsell social media. That's right. That's right. Brand Ambassador.

I'm not an ambassador. I'm not an ambassador. Pennings. I have a drink there that recently launched. It was very successful. Thank you to all those. What was that called? It's called the Yapachino.

Why is it called? Can you like walk me through something? Like what's the Yapichino? So the Apuccino, vanilla, honey, cardamom. So cardamom, it's sort of like nutmeg.

It's this pretty cool spice, very warm, exotic little kick to the latte. I actually just came from there. and my dad and I, my dad and I were able to get yappuccinos together. Wow. Great father-son bonding. Do you actually like the drink? I do like the drink.

He literally made it. Here's the rough thing is I kind of have beef with pennies in a good way because they released a drink after mine that knocks mine out of the park. I think the sweater weather? I think the sweater weather latte knocks the yappuccino. I keep going to sweater weather? Sweather weather? I have to rehearse every single time I go in there now to order.

because I usually say sweater wetter. And then it's over. You fumbled the bag. The baristas looking at you bad. Five-yard penalty, flag on the water. Five more dollars for the Sweather weather. You got to really rehearse it.

I usually get up there, take a while. But we've been okay so far this fall season. Good. I rehearse every interaction I have with anybody that I know was coming. Except me. Yeah, no. Storm I'd just go off the cuff

because I'm funny enough for that. But yeah. He doesn't judge me. Yeah, but... Can I ask questions? Yeah, yeah. I do this thing, speaking of ordering at places, I've been doing this thing recently where if I'm going to a restaurant and I haven't been there before, I research the menu on the drive there so that when I get there, it's kind of like stadium pulse 10 out of 10 once you're in that chair. It's loud. The waiter wants to know your drink the second she sits you down. People want to talk to you at table. Yeah, and you want to tell you want to talk about. Yeah, trying to talk to me. I mean, I'm a yapper. So it's by the time the waiter comes, I haven't even I haven't even opened to my menu. Yeah. And so I do research going into it.

I have kind of my two to three options. I try to nail it and nail it down. Usually talk about it. It's a good conversation started with others. But that's a tip. That's a tip for you guys out there. I like that a lot. I sometimes get caught off guard.

This is a good strategy for dates. If you're going to one on a date and you have not been there before, even if it's a restaurant or a coffee shop or just whatever, learn the ordering procedure because especially coffee shops like to be all like different and like that stuff. And be ready to order for her. Yes. Just in case she has no one. I think a coffee shop date, you want to have something a little bit different.

You don't want to just look at something on the menu and get it. You want to show that you're a local, you're a regular. You're a regular. You're a regular. You could actually go an hour before and tell the parista, hey, when I walk in, just be like, I got you. Know what I want. You know what I want. I'll have the usual.

Just the regs. You know the regular. You know me. You know me. You know me. You know me. Back to the well. That's the most performance.

I'm a regular here. If you don't know, I'm a regular, you didn't know that. I'm a regular here. I go all the time. Let's get into some questions. Well, wait, wait, can we talk about the thing I set up the episode to talk about? Homecoming when? We just had Homecoming.

So last week, we made an episode during Homecoming when we were extremely sleep deprived. And we were like... It was the day of Mock Rock, actually. We were going into Mock Rock that night. And now here we are. A couple days later, a bit of full night's rests now under our belt. Which is good, one or two, maybe one or two. maybe one.

And let's just say the good thing happened. The best outcome occurred. What happened there, Willie? Well, Simpson, we absolutely dominated. It was the best performance that I've been a part of. One of our best performances in history, placing in every competition, I think honestly the highlight of the week was placing in the banner competition. Because in my time, that was the only thing that I had not seen Simpson

place in. And so to snag fifth place there was a huge deal, got the got the week off on a great start. I heard it was poetic that this happened in 2025 because the last time Simpson had placed in every single event was 2015. 10 years ago. It's kind of really neat to kind of focus on, you know, Simpson 10 years later. How are we developing? How are we staying the same? Simpson has, you know, had its ups and downs as every organization does, but to kind of still 10 years later, we had some guys three RAs who graduated in 2015 visit. And so it was really neat to them for them to come back and see like, hey, hey, this thing's still going. Yeah.

It's still going strong. People care about what we began. And I'm so proud of the guys for just sacrificing everything. I really, I view homecoming as a place to give it your all for something that even though it's a little silly, like we joked at the beginning kind of about this choreographed dance. It's a very silly thing. Trivia is silly. Minute to win it.

I mean, getting the Oreo from the forehead to the mouth. Like very silly competition, but actually it's this incredible way to Show love to your your fellow brothers or sisters Whichever team you're on to be able to give yourself to something greater than yourself That's kind of what love is. Yeah, I think I think love is kind of what it's all about right? That's what's the prime virtue to develop and so I love homecoming Got to be honest. I'm a little relieved to that kind of I can retire from homecoming now It's a very stressful time. Yeah, but to be able to to help Simpson win three in a row,

be able to do it with you guys all the way through. I've never seen us. We've never lost, and we're not losing next year, thank goodness. Fortunately, we're winning next year. Fortunately, for everybody. Fortunately, we're 27's never going to lose. We're going to be the first Simpson class since 2018 grads to have never lost. 2019 grads would not have seen a loss because it was fall,

it was fall of 2019. That was the first time. That's pretty cool. So guys like Nate Messer in 2019, they saw, That's pretty impressive. That is really good. The alums being back was so awesome. And we even saw some at the football game, the homecoming football game, some older guys who were there from, I think, class of.

Like the 70s or 80s. Yeah, like the 70s or 80s. Like an old class. And they were like, what group are you guys a part of in the parade? Because we were leading the parade behind the different homecoming king and queen nominees. And they were like, we're like, oh, we're Simpson. And they were like, oh, we were in Simpson 40 years ago. And I was like, whoa.

It was actually crazy. but it was cool that they loved how hype we were and loved that we were carrying on something that is like homecoming's fairly new last decade and a half or whatever but our culture and our heritage homecoming really is just an awesome week props to everybody who yeah

SB did such a good job this year props to the alumni association yeah um I can't think of a more fun week everybody dialed everybody wins props to all the campus too for making it something that that matters like it's not a big deal if nobody decides that it's important

And so props to everybody for competing. Props to teams like Galloway for showing up at mock rock. That worm. The sandworm was awesome. Yeah, the sandworm was incredible. And they got a guy on top of it. Props to olds for tying with us. Tying with us, the best that they've ever done.

That was really cool. I've been talking to a lot of their RAs and they're really excited. Props to teams like ATO for taking a minute to win it. Yeah. Yeah. Winning minute to win it. So what a great week. but I think we're all

excited to Tover and we remember that things like studies exist now and yeah I had to hit I had Sunday and I slept most of Sunday after homecoming

and then I was like I could have a midterm and three papers due tomorrow and I wouldn't know I have not checked like anything in like two weeks basically so fortunately I didn't I was fine

thank goodness because if not we would be sunk yeah we would be sunk it's a sunk it's a sunk cost how about we sink our teeth

into into some cues some cues and we get some A's. I'm going to say, I just want to segue you out of this room. That's fine. His Segway King. I'm very good at segue. All right, let's hear it. Zana asks, Mollett or Jorts? Oh. Both terrible. Both terrible. What's the lesser of the evils? What's the lesser of, Mullet's got Mollets better than Jorts. Jorz? I'm going to argue for Jorts. They're terrible. Mollett is a whole thing. Here's the thing. A mullet is less of an offense to

to ordered good and to aura than Jorts is Jorts is a no-go I think there's no one looks good in The only you So once you become a dad Once you turn 40

Once you get the white new balances Then you can enter your Jorts era It's cargoes It's good in the cargo Well but I seem you can do both Cargos are better than Jorts Gorsets Cargos are acceptable

And white shorts I think you can do it then However but here's my answer to Zana's question I would go jorts before mullet because the jorts, that's kind of a one-day thing. Mullet, that's pretty permanent. Yeah, I agree.

I can take the jorts off and I can go to something else once I'm done, but the mullet, that's kind of a full-time commitment. My big take is nobody looks good to mullet. I don't know about that. I'm a big mullet hater. Mullet, okay, it's not that nobody looks good to mullet, is that so few people.

Here's my thing with mullets. Mullets have a combo of problems. Number one is a hard hairstyle to pull off for your head shape. you have to have a very, very specific head shape to pull it off. And number two, most people get really bad mullets that just look like just the hair cut, like the actual trimming process. At best, you're just barely pulling it off. You're never like, that looks awesome.

Here's the other thing. If I were to, so people have joked with me about getting a mullet before because I've essentially had the same hair for eight years of life. Like you look at pictures of me younger. Same. I've actually used the same comb every day to comb my hair. since I was five years old. This is a 16-year-long comb.

Unk comb. From a shout-out to my barber back home. I haven't talked to him in a while. He did me well for about 10 plus years. So shout-out to him. He gave me that comb. He gave me that cold. He got you right.

Michael, if you're out there listening to this, thank you, man. Barber, Unk-Barber from home. But if I were to do the mullet, I would have to change my entire wardrobe to fit around the mullet. Yeah. Because right now you're a big short

and long-sleeved dress shirt guy. I am. You know, it's... It's very performative. Professional was the word that I was saying. Yeah, professional. Professional. I love this shirt.

Kind of picturesque, like, summer, late summer, early fall, going to class, American flag, walking by it, no. You're not the all-American boy next door. I know you like to think of that. It's so close. I live with Jonathan.

This is all okay. We've had these fights before. That's right. I didn't realize it was going to get personal on the year. Yeah, feel free to snap back That's fine, yeah, dude You're wearing a gobbler's, I can't You can't just gobbler's now

You went there with me Yeah, you went more than me Are we doing it again? Groundhog Day? I'm not, I'm done. If I do it again this year, that's my last year. I can't, I mean...

Well, no kidding, you wouldn't come back as an alum and... You know, that actually sounds fun. He means like ever, ever. Oh, ever going to gobbler's not forever, yeah. Unless we did like a 20-year reunion. It was a great trip. It was a great trip.

Nick asks, how does it feel to win homecoming as a senior? I know we kind of touched on this, but like, let's get into, let's get out of homecoming so good for campus and it's all about love. Like, let's look back on you individually, everything that you've put in. This is your third now in a row, but like, just tell the story of your life in homecoming. So I think it's a different answer to Nick's specific question, winning homecoming as a senior than it was winning homecoming as a junior because winning homecoming as a junior that I'd say arguably the biggest jump that can happen in dorm life and in leading dorm life is from sophomore to junior

year that's when you truly kind of realize like oh I I am one of the leaders here and I I was given a lot on my shoulders going into junior year was very stressed about it had a lot of self-doubt didn't think that I was kind of worthy to lead some of the things I was given, like mock rock. And so to win that year, I think, meant a lot for Simpson, but it also meant a lot to myself and realizing that, you know, I can face hard challenges. I can rely on my friends, get this done. But winning as a senior, it was interesting this year that the moments that I actually found the most joy in were not, like, the things that I was able to succeed in.

but it was really fun to watch a lot of our sophomore RAs lead things and get wins. It was really neat to watch FAD lead a trivia team to victory, to watch guys like Dave and Cooper act really well in the video, to see Jack edit a great video, obviously Storm and Luke headed up the video and did great. So it's actually neat as a senior, the more joy I found was in watching these younger guys in the next generation sort of answer the call. because especially as a senior who kind of already am putting one foot out the door, it's more comforting and rewarding to know that this thing's going to carry on once I leave.

That's really the best, I think, takeaway that I had from the whole week was realizing, like, not only did we do it three years in a row, but I truly see Simpson at the highest point that it's been in my four years here, not even close. I think that we just have such a great energy and ethos surrounding us, a lot of positive energy that's focused on just focusing and trying to develop the great brotherhood and community, continuing these traditions. I think guys were able to come in this year and realize it took them a little bit in talking to a lot of the freshmen, but they realized like this means so much to people. And because it means so much to these older guys who I look up to, that makes it mean more to me. And just to see that cycle continue, I had the same realization as a freshman of saying, why does this matter?

Why am I going to give two hours every night of my week into this? And then realizing the guys like Isaac Wilhelm, who was a senior, or Justin Peterson, who was a junior, like this is something that they work so hard for. Now is the guy who's that senior and seeing other guys take it so seriously. And it means so much to them to watch them cry when they win, to watch them just invest so much bloods, but in tears, that was the most thing. That was the thing that I love the most. That's awesome.

It's a beautiful answer. Thank you. I'm trying to find the next question. This always happens. I get so enthralled and like he's so compelling. It's every time we have these senior guys on. It's wisdom of an episode. We're so philosophical.

We have to plan a lot. Oh, my back. Bye-bye grandpa. Bye-bye grandpa. Legendary finale of season one. Alex. Oh, my goodness. Big Alex has got a question.

Former Roomy. Former. If you were an animal, what animal would you be? I know mine. John's a wolf. I think, you're a house at, yeah. I think I choose, and this isn't going to, this is going to decrease the aura, but I think I just choose the panda life. I mean, that's a good.

To just be able to, like, lounge around your, you know, cuddle, eat bamboo all day. everybody loves you I mean pandas are so cute man they're so fun to watch just to have people who want to come see me be myself just fly around and cuddle like how can life get better than that yeah um you're eating bamboo just like you could say like I thought a bald eagle just because that's that's really cool you know to be the national bird would be awesome to fly but you don't know that you're the national bird but I'm making the choice to give that to myself because then I know that that I'll be protected as a bald eagle by the government and everything like that and to have that kind of aura. Can I pick T-Rex? Do you think um, T-Rex is cool? I was going to go like tiger. You think a bald eagle? I'm the lion. So that's okay. I am the lion. I think a bald eagle ever like flies by the white house and says like, wait a second, that's me. Like, would they have any idea of what they look like? They do live by the Potomac. That's true. I mean, they've had to have seen their reflection. I feel like if anybody

doesn't, if any type of creature doesn't know what it looks like, it's birds. Birds have probably have no clue what they look like because they can't see glass or something right depends on the bird so like they can see their reflection flying at them they're gonna keep flying at it i feel like they can't it does depend on the bird it does also there's got to be some sort of like they know what they know what they're they know what the rest of there i don't know what the term you can see another like yeah's like dogs can figure out oh that's me this is my brother bird this is my mother bird i look something like this may i may you know this is really interesting you know i wonder why if it's just like because we're blind to it but like i feel

like human beings look so radically insanely different? No. They kind of do. We look different to the same degree that they look different. But we can't tell because they all look. We're like, oh, they all look the same. When things are different from us, we assume that they all are kind of the same. I've thought about that a lot too.

They just kind of like a pig. Animals see us probably is all the same. Like dogs tell us apart primarily through scent and then secondarily through like look. Look, but also like shape of look. Like I can like wear a, I can wear a top. tall hat, like top hat and my dog's like, who are you? What is it?

Yeah, something's not going. Is Molly? Yeah, Molly. Molly? What? No. My dog? My dog's birdie.

Birdie. Yeah, I have a sweet dog back home, Bertie. Yeah, I've, I've ever got Bertie. People have worn, like, weird clothes, and she's been like, what's going on? Who are you? Who are you? What are you doing? I've heard, too, that I think dogs are actually, I read an article one time that they're

really attached more so to not looking at their owners, but smelling, like smell. Yeah, smell. Smell. So kind of like, yeah, when I come home, it's amazing how long I'll be gone, but then you would probably say the same. Our dogs remember us, and they have that sort of attachment there.

If you had a bald eagle, it would be like, who are you every time you got out? Bald eagle. Never would have to bring you a fish. Here, for you. I want a fish. Like a falconer?

That's cool, yeah. Like, those guys that have the birth? The falconer. They're big gloves, yeah. Do you think when other animals, like, hang out, do they, like, do hospitality? You think that's the thing they do? I mean, depends on the animal

because some do like they cry or chirp at each other like to say hello, like to communicate some just are like what's up and they just go ready they hop on the game I feel like there's been animals that have have like have mourned I've got I've got prey to go yeah

that's kind of what it is yeah yeah yeah yeah like we're all competitive The lion does not take The lion does not consider himself with formality The lion Irish The lion does the Irish He's there to get business done Yeah you're on his time

The king of the jungle is here. Can we please? Focus. Focus up. Ewan asks, what makes a great leader? We like to do this year. We like to go serious questions, silly, serious, silly, serious silly. This is a great question. I think, um, tall Jonathan's thinking about it, tall. No, I think having, just being caked up, because the people behind you need to know, need to be able to, like, have something to follow. Something to follow. That's one answer. I think I've got two things. I think one of them is more, is importantly, I think it's the Marines who say this,

but a good leader should never ask somebody to do something that they're not willing to do themselves. There's a couple instances where obviously like there's, there's a virtue in knowing your limits. Delegation. Delegation and knowing like, okay, I can't do this, so you do it. But a leader should always be able to be right there with you helping out. I think of some things where, you know, it's like there's things in Simpson that aren't my favorite things to do, some traditions that just my personality I don't mesh with, but it's like, I'm going to be alongside there doing it, doing it as well. And I think, I think service is at the heart of leadership.

I think that Hillsdale really brings this out. I think this is what Christ really models that, you know, Christ is the type of leader that, you know, washes his disciples' feet. And so there's, there's something in leadership that even as the top dog and even as the leader, you have to be willing to do the dirtiest stuff. I think, you know, in terms of RA, being up late at night, you know, sacrificing sleep, there's really nothing more humbling than having to sit at a back door till like 2.30. And it's a really good lesson to learn. Like, yeah, this is, this is kind of what it means to burn the end of both sticks or burn the stick at both ends, I should say. Yeah, burn the end of both sticks.

From the end of both sticks. So I would say servitude and not asking people to do things you're not willing to do. Put yourself on the line. Put yourself on the line. That's a really good answer. That's a good question, Ewan. I think there's also an helmet of projection. Like you have to, you can't just, leaders don't just sit like where they are and expect people to come to them.

It's so important, especially more than like dorm life. Like, they have to reach out. That's the leader part. They have to go and get to the people. It's something I've really admired about Dr. Arn is his commitment to sitting with freshmen in the dining hall or driving students in the cyber truck. It's this very thing of like he's not going to assume leadership as I'm above. He's not in the ivory tower. Yeah, he's not in the ivory tower.

He comes down. He attends events. He loves to see all these different parts of campus. He supports everybody. Even off of 36 hours of not being. Exactly. He helps out. Well, I guess I can do it. He's like, well, I guess I can help you with your video.

That's burning. Giant clutch. Eamongously clutch. Liam asks. Brennan? Yes. Yeah. I don't know which of these I want to ask.

They're both really funny. I'll ask both. First one, how did the Yapachino come into being? We already talked about this. No, but like where, like, we talk about what's in it. We didn't talk about where it comes from. Yeah, how did you even get connected with penins? Yeah.

So, when did your performance start? Your performance. So I started. into pennies. If you watch the Instagram video on pennies, I say true things, but kind of at the heart of it was my sophomore year, I realized that all the girls and, you know, all the girls and pennies, they were really cute. I was like, I need to start meeting girls. I need to go over to pennies. And so that got me into the door. And then I realized like, wait, actually, this is the best coffee on campus. Actually, I can study here better than I can at any other place on campus.

So that kind of kept me at pennies. So if something got me in the door, other things kept me there. The Yapachino, so the exact kind of composition of the latte, I really got into coffee making this summer because I realized going forward. I do love coffee, but I don't want to always have to go buy my $7 latte. So it's like, how do I make this myself? How can I get a hobby that I really love? And so I experimented with different latte options,

vanilla, honey are at the heart of a lot of lattes. So essentially, I just tried a bunch and I realized vanilla, honey, cardamom, great combination, super tasty. Cardamom. It is. It tastes really good. I haven't, I haven't had it yet. I need to go grab one. It's still there.

It's still there. It tastes really good. Oh, it's limited? No, so it's not a featured special anymore, but it's always going to be available. Okay. Yeah. Good. And then his other-

-gap one out for this. There's other question. Liam's other question is, Jay Willey. if you and I were to fight, what would be your special slash ultimate move to kill me? Like what would be your like final...

Your Wiley's final smash, his old? What's your Biden blast? You're like a fighter in Smash Bros. Yeah. What's your ultimate? I feel like it might be like the like the falling over and laughing. Right.

Hit. Because then he thinks something's wrong with me and then I kind of use that I kind of I throw the punch. Yeah. Yeah. He might think I'm having a seizure the way that I laugh.

Your up smash is definitely you summon the homecoming trophy and bash it up. That could be a good one. I was going to say for Liam, too. The crab. For Liam, it might, and he'll understand this. Like, I might just bring out the flour, the milk, or something like that, and then he folds.

You're like, no, this is so bad. Yeah. I don't, I hope Liam and I are never in the position to need to fight. Yeah. I love it. It won't happen. It will not happen. He's cybernetics.

But I would psych him out with the hysterical laugh, be on the ground, look like I'm having a seizure. Flower in the face. Flour in the face. Pocket flower. Flower in the eyes. You know, right, right,

uppercut. Maybe I, maybe I get in a sidekick or something like that, get into the ground, and then pin. Yeah. Maybe I should try this out

at charge of Rumble. Yeah, are you more of like a tank or like a, like a gunner or like a sword fighter? Like they, what's your, what's your bee?

Are you like a healer? Are you like a, I don't know what's going on. He's not a nerd. No. Not a nerd. What is this? No, just like,

well, just like, what in, like, general classes. Like, if you're, like, in a war, you're, like, classes, like, if anything, you know, like, like, if you were in some sort of, like, fantasy or science fiction trope, would you be, like, the suave gun slinger?

The, the, the courageous night. The giant, the damsel and distress. Giant, dumb, idiot. The giant, big, dumb, brute. Honestly, I'm probably the damselen distress. Yeah. All right. But I think, I have, I have pretty good aim.

I have pretty good aim with a gun. So, I would hope that I could be kind of, like, the sniper or like the you're like a Princess Leo slash Han Solo. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You never tell me the odds.

Never tell me the odds. I prefer to be. I loved that. That was one of my favorite parts around Mockrock Rock. Honestly, I might be more of like the C3PO where I'm just the nerd doing the calculations and whining and scared. Getting carried by Chubach.

Getting carried. All the way through Cloud City. Getting carried. Peter asks, you must get a permanent three inch wide tattoo of my face. My face being literally me, not as in Peter's faces, and Nate's face. Nate's face.

Where are you getting that tattoo? Oh, my goodness. Three inch wide. Three inches wide. So, well. And like it's proportional. Yeah. Three inches definitely, I mean, some places won't work.

I can get on your finger. Yeah. You should get it on your forehead. I think it's just, I thought, yeah, that's definitely not happening. Really? You know what, Nate? After knowing each other for three years. and being roommates and great friends,

I think it's going right there on the heart. On the heart? I'm going to run the small of my back. That's less. Initially, my mind was like, where is the part that nobody would ever see it? But I want it on the heart. I want it on the heart.

Wow. I'm going to get it on the back of my neck just in case you want to see what I look like. You would get your own face on the back of your neck? I mean, what does it look like? Right there. You don't even have to turn around. Right there.

Yeah. There you go. Maybe I'll give me more dates. Stupid. That's tough. Turn talking to the back of my head. It's kind of along that line. Joke and I, some of my high school friends

and I had was, you know how like during COVID with masks and everything? Like, you could be so surprised what a person actually looked like. Oh, my gosh. Yes. So if you put just a picture of your face on the mask and you tell everybody like,

no, this is what I look like. Or just the bottom half of your face, you like sketch it in. Oh, draw it in. I like that. I like that actually. Yeah. But then it's like totally wrong.

Like you have a beard on the mask. People should have done more of that. They should have had. had like funny funny facial expressions. Like what if you did mask with the Mona Lisa face as the mask?

That would be funny. It's pretty good. Why was it not more of that? There should have been more creativity. I think people are more focused on like, how do I stay healthy? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're out here like,

how do we turn to profit? And they're like, how do we just keep the populace safe? Do you guys ever see people with masks to 2025 and it kind of jumps scares you? A little bit. I'm always like, whoa.

I thought that this was over. Is something coming back? What do you know that I don't know? I'm always like, is there something else? Are you still afraid of COVID? Did I miss something? Yeah. Yeah.

I think I honestly, I think it's from what I can tell. It's more of they are sick. Mm-hmm. Which respect. But again, it does catch me off guard. It's just a jump scare. I'm like 2020 flashes into my brain again. That feels like so long ago, doesn't it?

That was a half a decade ago. Yeah. That's okay. Don't say that. That we had the coronavirus. Yeah. Pandemic times. That was high school, early high school.

Yeah. Elijah asks When and how Did you just get up one day And decide to be the goat Wow That's first of all That is his own

Elijah Famous for asking 400 questions Of which I can use three Asked one question And it's that And it's super sweet Thanks Elijah that's very sweet So basically what happened is I woke up

I said I'm him I said I'm him And I should be him more Yeah And I just did that How about you? I don't I mean So, I mean, that's going to make me feel good about myself for probably the rest of the day.

Decades. Decades. Decades. Months. Decades. I would say, Elijah, and other hills of students, find corners of campus that you love, realize that you've got four years to make them as good as you can be. And just give it your all. Yeah.

I remember. Full send. Find something worth fighting for. Yeah. And my freshman convocation, Noah Hoon Hout. Class of 23 gave the, he gave the freshman, sorry, the senior address for the freshman convocation. And he said, don't ask what can I get out of college?

Ask what can you give to the college. Sort of like a JFK type thing. Yeah. That stuck with me for four years. I still remember. You know what I can give to the college? I did not say like JFK. I give something into the college every year, tuition.

Yeah, tuition, Roman boards, meals wide. No, but I, yeah, the sentiment is true. And I think that that corner of campus thing is extremely relevant. Like, find your. spot because you can't give it everywhere. You can't spread yourself too thin. Find what's important and then fight for it and give to it. And go make those as good as they can be.

Better than you found them. Better than you found them because you're setting it up for more generations to come. Exactly. Man, we're just agreement today. This is great. We need something controversial. I know. This is the least argument we've ever had on boys only.

All right. Payton asks. Oh my goodness. Where does the nickname J. Willy Hilly come from? Because that's been... Jay Willie Hilly? That's a pretty famous. Jay Willie makes sense.

I'm sure. Where's the hilly coming from here? So I've always wanted to tell this story. So when I was a senior in high school, I was getting ready to come to Hillsdale, this was like spring of my senior year. I got an email about, hey, you need to set up your Hillsdale credentials, your email address. And so obviously my email address would be Jay Williams at Hillsdo.edu. And I needed to make a password. They wanted it to be unique.

And I was like, okay, all of these high school passwords, I need to give up. So I looked at it and said, what should I make my password? And I saw, I saw Jay Williams at Hillsdale. And I was like, those two things are similar. Oh, Hillsdale, Hillies. And so I was like, wait, like, Jay Will Hill. What if, what if the, the password is just Jay Willey Hilly? I had a friend, shout out.

Is it still your password? Wait, I had a friend, I went to high school with, they don't know. No, there was some numbers and special characters. Okay, okay. So it's not Jay Willie Hillary. One exclamation. And it's changed. It's changed since then.

Okay. I had a friend in high school. I actually knew her my whole life. Jillian Cook, shout out. She kind of did something like that was silly, silly jilly or something like that. And I always thought that was cool. And I was like, I could do J. Willy Hilly. And so I made that my password.

Silly J.Willy. And then I just started using it as like username sort of things. But it wasn't really until my sophomore year. year that I don't know how it happened but the freshman in Simpson just started calling your Instagram it was the Instagram so Jay Willie Hilly and then it just became Jay Willie his gamer tagged oh was it not Jay Willie before that like your nickname your freshman year you weren't called that nobody called me Jay Willie my freshman year they said Jonathan yeah I went through a lot of nicknames in high school um j dub was a popular one j dub or my high school basketball

coach called me dub I even went through Care Bear um that's That's a bit of a left field. That's coming out of left field. My baseball team called me sunscreen because I would always go crazy with the sunscreen. Skin cancer is no laughing matter. Skin care matters. No, so sophomore year, Jay Willie. It's a neat thing.

Father Adam, Rick, our chaplain, called me Jay Willie the other day. And that felt like, okay, this has gotten to its highest point. Jay Willie from Father Adam was elite. You've peaked. You've peaked. It was in college. It was in college past tense. What are you looking so concerned about over there?

Finding another question. Oh, yeah, you got to scroll through the many. Great questions from people. I had no idea what to expect, and this is kind of, this is pulling on everything. Yeah. Aaron asks. Okay.

What is something you think Hillsdale students spend either too much or not enough time on? I think way too much time reading for your class. No, please read for your classes. That's probably not enough, honestly. No, not nearly enough. We're sleeping. I think that, no, we, like, this is the time of our lives to get the least sleep possible. If anything, this is when we should be not sleeping.

I actually totally agree with that, that sacrifice sleep a little bit. Yeah. Because, like, I obviously want to promote healthy lifestyles. You can sleep all the way through your 30s. You can sleep? Yeah, the whole time, actually. Yep, the whole decade. Hopefully you can have a little, some, a few years in between graduation and, like, having a baby.

Because once you have a baby, you got to go back to sleep. Yeah, you're cooked again. But, yeah. But, yeah. You can go hibernate for a little bit after you graduate. But this is it. This is our four years of college. Exactly.

We're running out. We're almost done. No, don't tell me that. I think Hillsdale times things well. They're like, you know, we have fall break coming up. That's a great chance to get a lot of rest. Oh, man. I'm excited for that.

Christmas break. Obviously summer. But, yeah, take the time. I would agree with that. Sleep is an important thing. I would say we spend too much time. I think people spend too much time. hanging out with the person they want to date before they date them.

Hills dating. Hills dating is an issue. Just ask people out. Don't be like... I'm trying to figure out how to phrase this. Yeah, a lot of people are like, I need to make good friends with them. It's like, you don't know them yet. Just ask them out.

I mean, I think there's some merit to that, though. There's merit to both. Can I just give a weird answer? Yeah. To have gone a little ranger here. Do something out of left field. We spend too much time on this campus when we're waiting on something, queuing up the Jeopardy music.

I realized a couple weeks ago, that is the most overused joke in the bag and it needs to stop. That might be the most overused joke in human history. Stop it, right? We don't need to do it. We don't need to do it. No.

It's not funny. It was almost funny the first time. It's never been funny. It's never been funny. Aaron is going to like this. This is another question I have. And maybe we can have some discreet here. So Aaron and I, we were summer interns together.

and I had a really staunch stance that say that you're walking into a building with double doors, not like two doors next to each other, but like you open the door. Two doors in a row. Two doors in a row. So you open the door, there's a little foyer, and then you open another door. There's a lot of these on campus. A lot of foyeres. I think of the union.

I'm not a fan. I don't like foyer's. Well, I don't have any comment. I think that's useful, you know, to like, because dirt gets in, stuff like that, the cold. But here's my thing. I actually I had this moment with walking out of dope the other day I opened that first door

held it open for Dr. Yonaga in the German department we walked in he said thank you and then going into the second door I opened it he did not say thank you and that no no and that is I think how it should be yeah he's not going to say thank you again

two seconds later yeah like obviously there's no part of it for you instead No, no, because I didn't stand there and hold it open. I did kind of like a, I'm preventing this from closing. Oh, behind you? You did the push. I did the push. I held it there for him to take and then I did it again.

So my thing is he did absolutely the right thing in that situation to not say thank you a second time. There is no reason to do thank you, thank you. Because obviously I know you're going to be grateful for when I hold the door open the second time. I'm not going to walk away and say like, wait, was he, he was thankful? the first time we opened the door, but did he, did he not, was he not gracious for the second one?

No, I think he was thankful, no. Yeah, no, that makes sense. No, we all, unfortunately agree with you. One thank you covers the whole transaction. But Aaron, Aaron disagrees.

You'd say thank you twice in like five seconds? Yeah. Less two. She thinks it can kind of be funny to do like, thank you, thank you. I think, I think,

the only constant infraction. I see with those little areas is when I hold the door open or someone holds the door open and like stands there, like actually holds it open for you to walk through the pole. For you to walk through the pole.

hole and then you go in behind them and they just go through and they don't hold the second door for you. That's mid. You're like in front, you hold the door for them and then they keep going. The order should like return to what it was before the doors. The only exception is if it's like if I'm holding the door and

like five people walk in, whoever's the last has to do that for me. Yes. Yes. Yes. But sometimes no one does. That's not nice. That's not nice when you do that. I agree. That's my stuff. That's not that's not. That's not that's not. That's not. That's not That's not.

That's not. The universe has to level itself out. We made it. To Wyatt. As always, to the Wyatt question. White always has a great question. Wyatt Peters.

Would you rather have a white question? This is the second time, this year is second year that Wyatt has been a resident of Jonathan Williams. Our freshman year, we're on the same hall with Jay Williams as an RA. He asks, would you rather go to the bathroom instantly whenever you're within 50 feet of a cheese steak

cassidia or read 0.9 times faster, which means slower. Like, so slightly slower reading or this is, so normally it's, it's the better of two goods with Wyatt's questions. This time it's the lesser of two ebots. Like I have to take a blow here. Yeah. You're taking it. I'm getting the reading because I like cheese steak. You pee yourself whenever you're within 50 feet of a cheese steak, cassidia. Or you read like 0.1%, like not 1%, but like 10%? You read 10% slower. You read 10% slower. 10% slower? First of all, I'm phenomenal question.

I mean, I love casadias, so I am taking the reading hit. I'm taking the reading. I like casadias too. But I can, so here's my thing. I, you know, I'm English major, reading is one of my passions. I can avoid cheese steak cassidias

the rest of my life. Can you? Like when you walk into like a Chapulte, even if you're not ordering it, you're now within 50, and the guy in front of you orders one, you just, you just,

it's not, it's not, made yet it's not made yet i can see i if i'm behind the guy he says cheesecake chescadia yeah are you i'm going across the street i'm going to i'm going to i'm going to codoba i i get i split the scene yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah you have to run yeah because it's as soon as they finish making it i just i just a i think yeah i think yeah i think yeah i think yeah i think yeah i think that's too much because i i love mexican food i go too maybe i do maybe i just mobile order from now on like maybe yeah yeah oh yeah yeah yeah the tough thing though would be like if i'm at a restaurant and the waiter walks by. I have no idea what the rest of the restaurant's doing. And then, like, I'm on a date.

And then it just, like, that's, but it strikes. But maybe I just have to be up front with the, with my company that I'm with. You could be like, hey, like, if at any point something happens. So is it worth like, it's because I wanted to be wearing diapers to Mexican restaurant dates versus to do this? Because my thing is, I read pretty quick. Honestly, I could take a hit. Like, like, I could read a little bit slower. I'm, I'm okay with that. You're, um, you're, you're, I read really, You make me rethink because I've noticed that I actually like to read books slowly and really let it process and sit with me. And this would kind of force you to do so. Maybe this would help me out actually. I still think as of right now my stance is going to be, I'll, I'll forego the cheese steak cassidias.

I think you guys are underestimating how bad it is to go to the bathroom in your pants. Saga does a lot of cheese steak as a diaz. So there might be a day where I just show up to Saga and it happens. Here's the thing, it might be, the 50 feet is not is not two dimensional. This is a three-dimensional 50 feet. It's a bubble. This is a circle around. I could be walking down the steps and it's done. Yeah.

Upstairs. You could be like an elevator. Playing ping pong. Cadesia and someone right beneath you walks with a plate of Cicadaia's. Done. Yeah, you're destroyed. These are good things to think about. These are the essential.

I'm taking the reading hit with all that in mind. Yeah. That was a good question, though, Wyatt. I always conclude with the Wyatt question. I wonder what his process. is every week when he like sees the post and he's like what am I ask? I think what he does is he what's that game where you open the book and you fill in kingdom rush mad oh mad libs madly I think he just mad libs like with chat GPT give me a food

bang bang bang yeah you guys want to hear a funny story on yes sure so uh I did student leadership workshop this summer the week before you guys got here and we had this fun little icebreaker about give us a sentence to remember you by. And so a bunch of the male her a raise, we were all sitting next to each other. And we were like, we should ask ChatGBT, BT to give us the most, like, philosophical, wise sounding sentences that mean absolutely nothing. Oh, yeah.

And so it gave us, first of all, chat ChitpT is amazing. It gave us like 20 in like five seconds that were like, oh my goodness. Like the one that I said. How deep? The one that I said was like, even. the compass loses direction when the map stops believing. Yeah, that doesn't mean anything.

But that means absolutely nothing. That's also just false. Or it's also, what was one of them? The map stops believing? What does that even mean? It's when the teacup is empty. It's when the teacup is empty that it holds within it the loudest silence.

And everybody was like, what? But then it's the way, what? Then you think about it for two seconds. seconds, you're like, that is the most, that is a real head scratcher. Right. The scholars are still debating this. Scholars are still debating.

An unlit candle. A lot of things on this campus. An unlit candle frightens. Is right twice a day. Is right twice a day? An unlit candle is right twice a day. That's very sure. So close.

That's a clock. An unlit clock is broken twice a day. Oh, man. I feel like that's a pretty common saying. An unlit clock is broken twice a day? Yes. No. Stop.

Right, twice a day. And yet when there was a broken clock in one of our rooms from one of my, for one of my classes, and people were like looking at it, it was like twitching around, but mostly stay at the same thing. It was like fully broken. I made some reference that.

I didn't say the phrase, but I was just like, well, it'll tell us the time eventually. People were like, what? I was like, what do you mean what?

That's like a common understanding is that like a stopped clock is correct at some point. Yeah. See, the thing is, if you just say a broken clock, which I think is more common to say a broken clock is right twice a day.

People think could misinterpret like it's just off time in which case it will never be right. So that's why like you're like a broken clock, I'm like a stopped clock. I'm just never right.

You're never right. And I write like once every 24 hours twice for 24 hours. So close. Twice. Well, if the clock. So close. If it has some sort of indication

of AM or B. You know a phrase that that really grinds my gears? That phrase, right there. I actually don't like grind my gears, but I also really don't like, I don't like, I don't like have your cake and eat it too. It doesn't make your bed and lie in it. What do you mean? I just made it. I'm not lying in it. The thing for me about having cake and eat it too is what is the purpose of possessing cake if not to consume it? So like there is no, the phrase

operates on this assumption that there is a good in holding cake and then there is a separate good in consuming the cake. They've separated the tea loss. They've separated, but the whole, yes, exactly, the whole tea loss of the cake is to be consumed. So it's, it's just one thing. Yeah, well, or is it, like, referring to, like, you could have your cake for later?

With still the same tea loss of consumption. So, so what I... You can only eat it once. I believe... So what I believe... So it's, like, eat it now, or it's, like, have it for later. What I believe the phrase is trying to say is, like, you want it, but you also want to eat it.

but but there's no distinction yes there it no like you there is a distinction for some things that the phrase is used for it it's like you want to have it for later eat it like because you're going to eat the cake you want two cakes you want two okay so that's basically what you want

that's what you have one cake and you want to that's news to me that there's two cakes at steak here no no no no no no no so so close so the phrase is basically saying you because you're horrific want two cakes you want to have the cake and also eat the cake. Interesting.

But you only have one cake. Interesting. You don't have to. You wish you had a second one because you want it for later and for now. So it's kind of not operating. It's not operating in like. In logic. In logic.

No. Yeah. There's a disconnect between where you are and the physical world. What's like a common situation the phrase is used for? I'm trying to think about any time when someone's like you can't have your kick it eat too. I just think like, I mean it happens to me when I ask somebody something. and they're like, you know what?

Like, oh, go ahead and do this too. Have your cake and eat it too. And it's like, okay, cool. They're presenting you with two metaphorical cakes. They're giving you the second cake. They're saying, you want it, you got it. They said, they're giving you a guarantee. That second cake is always going to be on time.

I've always tried to piece this one together. Do you think you guys would more like, are you the kind of person that gives someone their second cake? Or are you the kind of person that says, no, you only have one cake? I'm a big second cake giver. I agree, but sometimes I don't have two cakes to give. Sometimes it's one of those days and I'm like, you got to choose.

I would give, I hope to have two cakes to give. I would give you my last cake. I'm actually like not even a big fan of cake. Yeah, you're wrong. Yeah, you're done. I don't like that cake has dominated the birthday industry the way that it has. That I'm forced to have a cake on my birthday, why can't I have a pie?

You may. It's the expectation, though, that it's a birthday cake. You may. It's a birthday cake. No one, no, your, your wrists are unbounded. The shackles you create are entirely in your mind. If people come over, if, if somebody throws a surprise birthday party for me, because I would never throw a birthday party for myself.

Because I think, yeah, I wouldn't. I would not. That's a corny. That's on the cob. That's on the cob. If, new slang, that's on the cob. That's on the cop.

That's on the cop. There's these guys on Instagram that come up with like slang words. That don't. Yeah. Oh, they're great. They're great. I actually, we, me, my first. Brue back home took one of those from them.

We say podium now. If something's top three, we're like, that's podium. Oh, I love that. And it's a really good one. We've actually implemented that. Yeah. That's really cool. Where are you even, where are we?

Oh, back to, that's on the Cobb cake. It's just the expectation that if you're showing up to a birthday party, there's going to be cake, though. Not always. Because birthday cake. I'm a big brownie guy. I had a birthday one time with only brownies.

I don't know about that one. I just like, I think that's against the birthday code of conduct. I'm going to bring brownies. Okay. What is this? That's so mean. I love brownies. They're okay.

Fudge brownies might be my favorite dessert. I like carrot cake. That's just cake. A little non-fact, I think that's my favorite cake. I like some red velvet cake. Yeah.

What is red velvet? What makes it red velvet? It's chocolate, but it's red. You serious? This blew my mind a few years ago. It's a frosting. It's a cream cheese frosting. Yeah, it's a drink cheese frosting

that is delectable. Yeah, that's really. I think that is my favorite cake. I haven't had red velvet. In my town, as a child, they had this like super neat. In your town, New York City. Yeah, New York City.

So close. only 40 minutes away they had this like I'm gonna call it niche because like that was what they were going for like niche French like how haughty are we kind of bakery

it closed after like less than a year but we went in there when it first opened and I was like seven I think and I got red velvet cup cake and I hated it so ever since then I've been like no red velvet tastes bad

but I think it was just a terrible bakery It's pretty good. The cream cheese is what makes it. I like something else. If we're short on time. No, we're good. We're good. We're so.

I had the situation the other day where, so now I turned 21 this summer, right? So I've been trying a lot of drinks like gin and tonics. Yeah. Manhattan's. So I, as a child, thought that there was a time that I was at the beach and I was trying to have cream soda. But instead I always thought that this thing that I took a sip of was Canada dry ginger ale and I had a sip of it and I absolutely freaked out, hated what, what, you hated what went in my

mouth, like almost threw up. Wait, what were you actually drinking? A gin and tonic. Oh. It's a five year old. It was my dad's, but it was just on the counter. And you were like, ginger ale. But I thought, I thought for years that what I had drank that night was Canada Dry Gingerail. So I've always had this like, ginger ale. Kind of like panic attack whenever I even just saw Canada Dry Gingerill because I remember that memory. Turns out like, it turns out like, TTSD. This summer I'm talking to my dad. He's like, yeah, I remember that one time at the beach.

You had that gin and tonic. And it was just the worst thing ever for you. And I'm like, that was a gin and tonic. Because that never made sense. Because I like Schweps ginger ale. I've always liked other ginger ale. Turns out it was a gin and tonic this whole time. Wow.

But now I actually, I do like gin and tonics. Not the best drink. I didn't drink milk for 10 years because when I was a baby, I got put in the back seat of a car with some rotting milk because I left it there. And I didn't drink milk for 10 years. It's funny of those things that you'll have as a kid and that'll just be terrible,

and only circumstantially terrible, and then you won't like it forever. My brother still will not drink milk. Just because. He just says, I don't want it. Why? I like milk now. I don't want it.

I don't do cocoa puffs for a similar reason, had a bad experience with cocoa puffs. Maybe they were just stale. Yeah, like just one time. That'll always happen. I will never, I will never go back to cocoa puffs. Yeah. You know, we'll never come back to?

This episode of the podcast. Because we are brutally out of time. Thanks for coming on the show, Jonathan. It's been on it. Jonathan Williams, Jay, Willie. Jay Willie. Jay Willie Hillie.

Jay Willie Hill. Go crack into his back account. You gotta hear. The Hill. Call him the Will. The Hill. The Willie Hill. Boy on the Hill.

Well, thanks for your questions, everybody. We got a lot this week. I really appreciate having so many. Jay Willie, what are your final words ever? I hope all of campus enjoys fall break. Just remember that it's only when the river runs east that the fish begins to fly. Truth