WRFH/Radio Free Hillsdale 101.7 FM - The Homunculus Fallacy | Boys Only #12

Episode Date: September 6, 2025

Nate and Storm chat with Aidan "Agamemnon" Christian about bands, supinated hands, and poison ivy.

Guys, we're back. Makes sound effects. We're here. We did it. We have another episode. Boys. Guys, I'm not going to lie. We're on our game this week.

We are excited. We're happy to be back. And we've already been sitting here for 15 minutes laughing. So you are in for an episode. I'm Storm Drexler. I'm Nate Gallagher. And this is Boys Only. Bo, bu, boys, boys, boys.

So welcome back. We got a guest on. We always got a guest on. How's it going? It's Aidan Christian. I'm doing well. How are you? I'm doing so good.

That's good. Do you have something for us? Yeah, you guys ever done improv before? A little bit, yeah. Okay, so imagine this. I'm Scott Strap, the lead singer of Creed. Oh. You guys are my sons.

You're in elementary school. I'm coming to the school to pick you guys up. It's September 11, 2001. Okay. I'm there. I'm in the moment. You guys start, all right. Okay.

Hey, dad. School. Will I just heard the news today? What happened, dad? It seems my life is going to change. Oh, is our, us too? I close my eyes. I begin to pray.

Should I get up my knees, dad? Should we pray, too? Do we pray? Help us. Help. What happened? Close your eyes. And begin the prayer.

Our father. Don't let tears of joy. If I could have just one wish, only one is our. Hey guys, how's it going? We're doing pretty good. Are you asking me your son? No, no. That's the whole bit.

We're doing pretty good. We're doing pretty good. Is it hot in here? So what's the new? What's the new? So what's the new? Did you... We've been in school all day.

What's the news? Oh, somebody hit the Twin Towers. Oh, okay. We live in like Kansas, though, so... Why? No, I'm already out. You pulled me out of the scenario. I don't live in Kansas. Yeah.

Kansas ruined my immersion as well. I associate with Creeb with Kansas. I don't know why. That's a good take. I don't think they're from Kansas. No. No? All right.

Hey, let's try a different one, all right? Okay. Storm, you are my daughter. I'm your dad. Got it. And, uh, Nate, you're going to be my daughter's boyfriend,

she's gonna bring you home for the first time. Okay, how old are you? You, like, think like around 28, all right? Okay, okay, okay, 28. Yeah, yeah.

All right. Okay. Okay. The 20 is already, okay, okay, okay, I'm locked in, deep breaths, me, me, me, me, boys, boys, boys, okay. No, no, you're a girl.

Oh, yeah, you're a girl's, girls, girls, girls, girls, welcome. Welcome to the zone. Hey, dad, open the door. I walk into the, to our super fancy. Hey, Stormalina, honey. How are you?

I'm so good. Daddy, look. And I pull Nate into the frame, into the door frame. Who is he? I am Kringle. This is Kringle. I am Kringle.

This is Kringle. I met him in gym class today. And we're going to go on a day. What? We're going to go on a day. Do you think you're doing with my daughter? I'm 28, dad. I can make my own decision.

See, You're not 28. He is. Oh, oh, yeah. But he can support me, Dad. Not like you. I don't know if I'm comfortable with this anymore. I wore double shifts for this family, just to put food on your plate. Okay, save us, Nate.

We need some questions. Yeah, you guys came out in, like, okay force. Like, you guys, it was all right. Like they always do, though. Our okay force fans. They really just weren't messing with you this week. That's all right. Yeah.

I prefer nobody mess with me. You don't mess with me, dude. I'm solid. Save us, Nate, save us. Caleb asks. Who's Caleb? Floodstrom. Who?

He graduated. He graduated last year. Oh, again. He's a following a fan of the show. He was a guest. Yeah, he was a guest since you guys have won. Yeah. We have very few listeners.

He's one. There you go. Just the one. Yeah. He's actually the only one hearing this. Since you've been called Agamemnon, will any of your future kids get Greek nicknames? Yeah. No, yeah.

They will. I, uh... For those who don't know. Agamemnon. Oh, yeah. What was Agamemnon? It's actually, when I was, well, before I was born, my parents got married, all right? They made this handshake agreement.

They were like, okay, dad gets to name all the boys. My mom gets to name all the girls. Fantastic agreement. Great deal. Is it because I don't think it was a very good foretelling of the future of their marriage. Either way, these things need to happen in partnership. Either way, they proceeded to have only sons. Rough, right?

I got four brothers. Yep. I was actually, the second one born, even though I have three older brothers. Don't ask about that, all right. And my dad's like, okay, I'm going to name all my sons after kings whose names start with A, right? Oh, no. And my older brother, his name is Andrew.

And my younger brother's name is Alexander, right? Those are like pretty standard A king names. There's actually plenty of king names that start with A that you can pick from, you know. But for some reason, instead of getting to Alexander first, my dad got to Agamemnon first. He could have looked in a book or something. I could have been named Arthur. Arthur. That would have been so normal, but he was like, okay, this is my son, Agamemnon.

And my mom refuses to sign my birth certificate. Good on her, right? Yeah, yeah. Who names their kid Agamimnon? But Agamemnon was my first given name. And so it's like a fun fact that I tell people. And it kind of caught on freshman year. I told people I was Agamemnon.

They kind of ran with it. I wanted people to remember me. Yeah, I think it's tough. I feel like every guy born in the range like 2001 to 2006 is named Aiden. Or like some variation, Caden, Braden, Hayden. Not you. Storm? That's a variation Aiden.

Yeah, I go around telling everybody that's my name because I like attention. So, like, you know, you got to differentiate yourself somehow. And for some reason, I didn't think I could do that with my weird face shape. You know, my eyes are really far apart. It's kind of strange. It puts people off sometimes. But they would have remembered me anyway. I have a large presence.

But I just decided to go with it. And I technically wasn't lying. It's a name I was given at some point by my parents. So, yeah, Agamemnon. You know, it's actually funny. My dad, he got the name Aden from a comedian he liked. and all my other brothers are named or biological brothers are named after kings

there's never been a king aiden I don't know there might have been but I'm actually named after a court jester basically oh yeah there you go maybe that was preemptive programming you know they do that sometimes they preemptively program us they put predictions for the future in the Simpsons so that when it happens later we're ready for it yeah yeah yeah what my dad did for this podcast specifically

yes he prepped you for you yeah he actually entertain the people here He listened to an episode of boys only 21 years ago. I was like, I got a name a maiden. That's what happened. So I do think my kids will have Greek nicknames, if not Greek names. I'm from Georgia. And a lot of people don't know this, but it's...

Are you from Georgia? I'm Atlanta. Oh, me too, man. Where from? I'm in like Atlanta. I'm minutes from the capital. Oh, okay. I'm in the city.

He's from the hood, man. Yeah. Tell me about it. Where are you in Atlanta? the border of Roswell and Moretta. Oh my gosh. Yeah. How are we not like hung out?

I don't know, man. I don't go home that often. Yeah, that's fair. But my family, like the Christian family has been in Georgia for a long time. Like we're a founding family. And so the Georgia tradition, there's like a southern tradition back from, you know, those old days where all the kids were educated by private tutors. And they all knew Greek and Latin to like name. children after those heroes.

And so, you know, you ever met anybody named Clydie, old women named Clydie? I can't say that I have, but I believe you. I know a few. They're named after Clytemnestra. You know kids named Jax? Yes, actually. They're named after Ajax. Oh, there you go.

And so. Kids named Dysius? Well, Ulysses. Ulysses. Right, is the problem. So, you know, you know, it's tradition, and I like the tradition. I like Greek. texts, Greek theological texts, Greek history.

I think it's interesting. You know, I'm thinking about like Maximus, it's a Greek name, Basel, Basel, whatever you want to pronounce it, it's a Greek name. Maximus is tough. Yeah, Gregory, technically a Greek name. I might go for that one. You don't see a lot of kids named Gregory nowadays, do you? No.

No. It's kind of weird. All the greggs I know are like my dad's age. I think, I like, one of the thing, when I'm going to name my kids, and I am engaged, so I'm not being like preemptive here. You know, there's like two rules that I have for myself. One, I want, I want to be able to call infants, like, names that make them sound like they're old people. And then my second thing is syllable maxing, right?

Yeah. You guys think about this? Like, the more syllables you have in your name, arguably the more powerful you are, like as a person. Yeah. Storm. Nate. Yeah, you guys suck. Nathaniel.

Okay, yeah. My name is not Nate. No, than EL. But I've been considering first name, the first name of one of my kids, like Basil John Chrysostom, and then throw in a middle name. Basil John Christ, Christ, awesome.

Yeah, some of his. Basil John Christ is awesome. Christ is awesome. John Crusasdom. He wrote some liturgies for the Catholic Church a while back. I guess the Orthodox, too, if you swing that way. We don't swing that way. It's okay.

Okay, there you go. Well, Basil John Crosolston was going to be a first name. It got vetoed by the woman with the ultimate veto power. Yes. Unfortunately, Mary? What? No, my fiance. Unfortunately, we don't have a handshake agreement that I get to name all the boys.

So it's rough. We're going to do things together. Partnership, I think. Yeah, something is bad. Well, you know, that's what college means, partnership. Yes. They told me that. They told us that in orientation.

Is it true? Is it okay if I drink over these mics like coffee? Like maybe like turn slightly away. Yeah, you're good. That's just straight slurping noise into the microphone. That's okay. Just do whatever, man. This world is your oyster.

It is, dude. This studio's mine now. You guys let me in. You know, I'm a vampire. Oh, and once we let you cross the threshold, yeah. Kind of a weird-looking vampire. Yeah, well, you know, most vampires aren't fat,

but I actually just get so much blood. What's your method? You can, like, buy full pigs. Oh. your houses around here. Yeah. Yeah. It's real useful. Just like you could buy 14,000 ladybugs on Amazon.

You can. And then just set them free. I've kind of been interested in ecological warfare recently. Yeah. Me too. Doing stuff like that. There's this guy on, I think, Instagram Reels. She, like, buys balls of seeds with dirt in them and, like, throws them in, like,

manicured public places. You know, places where, like, the grass is, like, half an inch, and they're, like, like really designed I just think I think it's hilarious like poison ivy yeah yeah yeah yeah of the public part oh I wouldn't do that I wouldn't do that

I wouldn't do that I think English ivy though it spreads faster and it's non-harmless so I think it'd be non-harmless it's not harmless English ivy it's a non-harmless that means it's harmful it's harmful oh yeah

it's harmless it's harmless it's harmless it's harmless it's harmless it's not harmless it just kills them do a little bit of damage you guys ever burn poison ivy in like a burn barrel? I have. We've thrown it in a fire. No, I'm... Which is not the play, but we didn't learn, we learned that later.

Did you get rashes on the inside of your body? No. That is a, it's one of those things. If you do like a burn of poison ivy and you inhale the smoke, you can get poison ivy rashes on the inside. Yeah, it's terrible. How do you, like, how? It's poison ivy air. The poison ivy has like an oil on it

that makes the rashes, and I think it just becomes like aerosol. Like, it doesn't burn up. It's just kind of in the smoke. you're giving me an idea here. Yeah, well, I hope not. I used to think about this, though. I used to, one time I was like, okay, I was in high school.

I was like, senior prank, I got to figure this out. We didn't end up doing one because we were like scared or something. But yeah, we were thinking about what kind of senior prank should we do? And I was like, okay, what if we got like a bunch of those little pill, like, you know, the pill shells that dissolve in water, filled them with sodium, pure sodium, raw sodium, and flush them down the toilets all at the same time? Oh. You ever think about that? Yeah, that will explode the pipes. Yeah, yeah, that was my first idea,

and the second idea was we just, like, burn poison ivy in the air vents. And then I realized that would probably burn the school down, too, so we shouldn't do that. Yeah. You were a Galloway man, right? I hear, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, you know, big open fire pit.

It's true. Every Thursday night. You had a chance. You have the opportunity. Yeah. No, I've been known for burning other things in that fire pit. Weenies? Myself, notably.

I used to do the same. We put the pallets on. I'd go stand on the pallets and dance around on the fire. That's cool. It was, if I didn't look like a goober, I'd have aura, but. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun, at least.

I'd burn the soles of my feet a lot. I like stepping through fires. I'm good. I'm from like civilization. We don't like burn, poison ivy. I don't think you can't. Okay, Yankee. Yeah. Exactly.

I don't think you can jump very far, though, so you probably can't get away quick. I can jump. I can't jump at all. White men can jump. Dude, I haven't jumped in 18 years. You believe that? Back in high school they used to call me the elephant

because I couldn't jump The only reason, that's the only reason That's called, wow Elephants can't jump Is that a thing? I think so Look that up, Nate It's because of their knees

Yeah, you have the computer over there Hey Jamie, look that up Yeah, all right You have the Jamie All right guys You need to put a rule in For people before they come on here I'm not Jamie

I'm half of the show Can elephants Now I want to know Because it feels like That makes sense It's because their knees It's not because of their weight It's because I think they walk around

On their tip tips 10 like, yeah. They have big fat padding because they're obese. Yeah, yeah. That's why I have flat feet. Because you're an elephant? Because you're obese.

I can't. Oh, I was. The only land mammal incapable of jumping. Yeah, there you go. Soaring. Yeah. Dang. Will an elephant ever touch the sky?

I jump around a lot. I'm a little too excited sometimes. You jump up to get down? I jump up to get down. I just go ahead and jump. Yeah. That's me for real. I like that.

Yeah. We got another question. Something like that. Something like that. Something happened. People sent in something. Please don't slurp that into the microphone. God damn it.

Can you guys hear it in your ears? Yes. That's awesome. I love podcasts. Oh man, me too. No, I hate podcasts. I just do this because I want to torture myself, you know? I just hate Storm.

Yeah. I just agreed to this when I was friends with them. And we just hate each other now. Yeah, and I was just like we're arch enemies. Like, can I just stay? No, no. No, no. This is not Naya Samarisha, unfortunately, yeah.

That's the boys on the After Dark section. I might just stop reading names because he doesn't know. No, no, no, I want you to read the names. Okay, Zana. Yeah, I know that one. What happened to Diet of Worms? Yeah, that's a good question. You were in a music-making entourage.

Also known as a band. Also known as a band. Well, a few people know this, but I actually invented the concept of a band. Oh, okay. I was actually the first person to put together multiple instruments in, like, one group. Before that, everybody was just playing instruments alone. They didn't realize how stupid they sounded. But nowadays, everybody's doing bands, and I feel like they're not even giving me a little bit of credit.

It's kind of weird. It's like stolen valor, right? Yeah. It's kind of strange. The concert on the quads happening right now? They're all bands. What's going on, man? No shout out to you.

Not a single one. What the heck, dude? Well, hopefully listeners to the show will have been there. And then start shouting out Agamemnon. Remember, he invented bands, guys. We didn't have. True, it's true. I did.

It's actually, I'm not, I wasn't, I'm not, was in a band guy. I am in a band. We have a new band now. Jack Cruz and the Bahama Mamas, shout out, Bah, Bahama, Bahama, Bahama. Poor, that's poor. But, yeah, Diet of Worms, interesting story. We started that when I was a freshman.

Eric Teter, love that guy. Shout out Eric. He was like, Aidan, you have the voice of an angel. I need you to be in a band with me. We're going to do this with Luke Avery and Carter McKearck. I said, how could I not? And so I joined that band. We started in the first floor lobby of Galloway one day playing a bohemian rhapsody.

A classic. Yeah, and I lot of people know this. It was just the four of us at the beginning. And I mean, probably people don't even remember Luke Avery at this point. And I think maybe he transferred to University of Michigan, right? I'll get there. Lost another one. We got hired to play Galloween.

And so I was, that's actually the most popular Gallowin that's ever been thrown was that one. It's because Eric and I had this guerrilla marketing strategy where we would assault people in public and be like, you have to come! Yeah, it was really good. It was a good marketing strategy. I'd show up. I got beaten severely. By the time we performed, we picked up Rachel Houts, who was singing backup vocals with me. The thing that all male bands learn is that they need a female singer.

Well, you know, I have other thoughts on that, but I don't, it's not. I think women's voice sound really good in bands. I think actually I really appreciate when a band has a female singer. But what I think, I think actually all bands learn is that you can't have two lead singers. Yeah. And you shouldn't have one person on stage all the time that's just singing backup or like even if you're switching.

Because there's always going to be some sort of conflict of interest in the music that you're picking. Yeah, bands have to pick music for the voice. One, the voice of their singer and to the skill of their instrumentalists. And so there's always that little conflict of interest there. One person is always going to feel dejected. And it's kind of a bad situation.

And so I think it's good to have guests on. It's good to bring in people as guests. But if you're going to have two singers, one of them's got to also be playing an instrument or else it's kind of... Yeah, do you think this translates over to podcasts? Like if you have two hosts, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. It doesn't work.

We need to... Yeah, it's constantly competing for the spotlight. I think it really doesn't. Actually, I'm interested in watching you guys fight right now to see who's going to continue interviewing me for the rest of the night. But Diet of Warners, we'll do that later. We'll do that later.

Jamie, put that on the list. Okay, yeah, sure. And so we started that, by the time we did Galloway and we picked up Rachel Houtts and Summerlin Williams on rhythm guitar. We didn't have a bassist yet. After that, we did battle of the bands. We picked up Matthew Carton. on the base. We had a full band for a while, but it was kind of always, it was kind of always

doomed to fail eventually. Like everything man makes will fail eventually, you know? What we do is temporary here on this earth. So we got to think about the next, you know, Luke Avery, he transferred to the University of Michigan after our first semester sophomore year. Carter McNish graduated at the end of that year. He's a few years older than us. Rachel Houts left to start a new band. I don't know if that ever really took off. But it was one of those things you replaced so many members. Nico came on in place of

Cesar. Is it still the same? Yeah, well that's a good question. I mean, it didn't necessarily get the ship of Theseus levels because, I mean, we still had like half the original band. But Nico, we brought Nico on. He was really great. We brought Fish on on the drums. He was really great.

At that same time, Fish and Eric started playing for the Theta band. and eventually last year it was just like hey guys do we want to put something together for jukebox nah you kind of lose the original chemistry that the band had and you start it together

and you play together you get really close but I don't think we had that energy going for us anymore after all those years and so it was time to move on and I knew we were going to move on to better things Eric and Fish already had their hand in another pot. They were safe.

I'm in that pot now, too, so that's pretty nice. What's that all about? Nico's got a different band. Oh, the new band. Yeah, it's the Theta Flagship Band. This band has been, this is the 13th year.

It's the 13th iteration of this band. I think a lot of people don't know that because we change the name every year, you know, and it's got different members a lot of the time because people graduate. But it is the same band, Shipathesius. It is the true Shipethesias.

I'll say it's the same band because it's got the same. I'm heart. And there's, you know, a member continuancy. I don't think there's ever been a complete break in members where everybody in the band graduates at the same time. The Theta Epsilon, the fraternity, we put together a group of, so the guys will think, will perform best on stage together, just lump them into a big group and get them going,

put them out there. So it's good. I'm honored to be a part of it. I understand I'm not the best vocalist in the fraternity. that's Daniel Doyle, but, you know, he's got something else going on right now. So there's that. Little other band, just a small. Small side gig.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're not big time or anything. I've heard some of the stuff. They're solid. They're good, they're good. Yeah, they're good. Yeah, they're good. They're good.

I like them. Yeah, so I'm excited to be part of it now. It feels good. I think we get along a lot better than late Diet of Worms did. So I miss diet. I'll always be appreciative of it. diet for being like my first cohesive and successful band, as much as you can say it was successful. I mean, I think we did pretty well for ourselves.

I think so. Yeah. But it's time to move on. And I'm excited about where Jet Cruise goes. Yeah, that's great. When can we listen to you next? The next time we'll be playing is at a, it's actually September 13th. It'll be a Pi-Fi charity event.

We're going to be playing behind Pi Beta Phi. So come. donate money to children's literacy, I think. Yeah. I think, and you guys can hear us play some chill white girl pop songs. Let's go. Every white man loves white girl pop songs. This is the truth.

Maybe every man. Maybe every man. This is the true final lesson of boys only. Every one. White girl pop songs. Yeah. Speaking of every man, guys, come see every man, the play being put on by Hillsdale Tower players.

Yeah. When that happens? Are you in October? I am. I'm playing God. Oh. I'm playing God in every man. In more than one way.

No, just in the one. Just in the fact that I'm his disembodied voice. So, it'll be that. It'll be cool. You know you're a disembodied voice for all the listeners right now, too. Is there a lot of set for that? A lot of set? Yeah, there's going to be a lot of set for that.

Have fun at work, Nate. Yeah. I work at the scene shop, by the way. I don't know if I ever happen to... If I ever have to mention that to the listeners, but I do work at the scene shop. It's great. I have to just follow the orders of everybody on the stadium.

I'm basically just paid to be their servants. Yeah. It's kind of terrible. Just like here. You're paid to be my. I'm not paid any money to be here. That's weird. Me neither.

I thought you guys were going to pay me for this. No. Oh, no. We have nothing to go. No. And we've already gotten like 20 minutes of content from you. I'll see you guys. That's all right.

That's all right. We got 20. We got enough. We're all right. See you guys later. Bye bye. What are you, Yahweh? Are you like a Zeus?

Like, what are you? I'm God, man. So it's a 15th, no, 14th century morality play. So back in, back in the day, um, they started working these sort of theatrical productions back into liturgy. And I think you can, we're talking about the Catholic Church here. I think you can sort of see it reflected.

I don't know, I don't know what, like, denomination you guys are or anything. But if you ever been to an Easter Mass or any of the like Holy Week Masses, there's like these read and response, okay, Nate's Catholic. You got it. There's these read and response portions where the priest will read for and like Christ and then all the congregants and the nave will like be the voice of the crowd and will reenact certain gospel scenes. And so there was sort of in the 14th century, there was sort of this revival of theater in Europe. Because it sort of died out.

There wasn't really any theater buildings, dedicated theater buildings in Europe. until this revival came back. And that's also how we get passion plays. Around the time, this play, Every Man was written by an anonymous priest. And it's just about morality and death. It's kind of a play about being ready for death when it comes. Wow.

Death comes to every man. And you've got to be ready for it when it does. So I am playing God, the God, or rather his voice. I'll be his silly. Lowett as well. But I had a few conversations with the director to make sure that we weren't doing anything that violated the second council of Nicaa in terms of representing God physically.

So we're not really sure exactly how it's going to go yet, but I think all the directions we're looking at are pretty okay. Yeah. It'll be good. Excited to see it. And that's when again? I think it's like mid-October, I pretty sure. Maybe a little bit earlier.

Pull up. It will be good. It will be. You get to see some beautiful sets. I hope so, yeah. It's going to be great. You're going to be making a stained glass window. Good luck with that.

I hope you're excited, man. I am the most... Honestly, nothing could be worse than the tree I had to build you guys. Yeah. That was a nightmare. It looked terrible, too. Thanks, Aiden. Yeah, you're welcome.

That was four weeks of my life. Really? What did you build it out of? Wood? It wasn't wood. It was like... Really? I always forget the name of the material

until someone tells it to me Plaster. It's not Plast. No. It was not a microdensity fiber board? I don't know. Okay. I just see the material and I just okay that.

He's not on game. He doesn't have ball knowledge. I don't have ball knowledge. I don't have ball knowledge. I don't have microdensity fibers. Whatever. It's basically like a wood pulp like super pressurized.

It's kind of like looks kind of like a cork board, but it's a lot denser. We'll just call it that. Okay. Yeah, it was that. And we had to build a humongous jack for it, which for those of you who do not know theater stuff, it's basically how you support an object from not falling backwards and forwards.

It's like a big triangle you put behind the object. And we had to build it outwards. You obviously saw it because you were on the stage. But you had to build it outwards, literally into three dimensions, which is really hard to do and keep the thing not crumbling down to the floor. So we had to do this whole rig with two by fours It took us forever It was a humongous pain to put together

We had to move the entire thing out of the shop On to the stage Oh no It took the entire light crew No but it was fully built And like 13 feet tall Almost as tall as me man It was crazy

Yeah 66 by the way Six 7 even Proud feminist Proud proud I do drink I like macha I love machi You find me in pennies with my macho.

I'm listening to Bebadooby right now. Clara? Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Love it, love it, love it. Wyatt. Oh, my favorite.

White, who? Peters. Oh, yeah, I know. Wyatt always asks the worst and the best questions. Oh, I'm ready. I'm ready. This is a great one. Would you rather always walk with her hands supinated?

So like this, if you guys don't know. It's basically your palms pointed upwards. Like you're holding a cup of soup. Or eat a t-shirt every two months. Yeah. Okay, so I think it's an easy question. I used to do leadership training all that time. I'm an Eagle Scout, by the way.

Wow. This guy can start a fire out of anything. Yeah. There's always one white guy at every fire that just really messes with keeping it alive. That guy's me. I've got the badge to prove it. They only give it to that specific kind of white guy. Everybody knows this.

And we used to do this thing called NYLT National Youth Leadership Training. And they would teach us how to give, like a dress, crowds, you know, and they would say, you know, if you want the crowd to feel bad about themselves, that's not what they said, but that's how I'm interpreting it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You make your palm face down.

And if you want the crowd to feel good and uplifted, you put your palm facing up. And it doesn't matter if you're gesturing, like I just talk with my hands and they're like, if you're giving a good message, like, congratulations guys, palms up. If you're giving a

bad message, like, I'm going to need you guys to quiet down, palms down, you know. You're up here, I'm going to need you to be all the way down here. You know, have you seen it happen before? Oh, yeah. And so I think, you know, I think I'm a little bit of a, I'm a little bit Debbie Downer kind of in my daily life. I think I'm kind of blunts.

You can really uplift people with the palms outstretched. Yeah, I'm thinking I'd want my palms up. Suvenated, he said. Supinated. Supinated. I'd like them that way. Because I think, I think people would just feel uplifted. by me

if I had my palms like that, you know? And I'd probably eat the t-shirts, too. That's just a bonus. That's a little snack at the end. I mean, that's what boys do. Do you have to eat the whole thing? Like, at that day? Boys, boys, boys.

Oh, baby, I'm praying on you today. There's the intro. There's the new intro. I think that I could eat a t-shirt every two months. Dude, I don't know, man. T-shirts are really dense. They're not food. Do I get honey mustard? Do you get honey mustard?

Yeah. mustard. Honey mustard. You get a 6 foot 7 bottle of mustard. I think like I could... 41 ounces. I'll do both. I like honey.

I think that anything dipped in honey is almost anything is eatable with enough honey. Edible. Well, no, no, there is a difference. There is a different.

Almost everything is eatable. My claim is that, exactly. My claim is that any... Thanks for that. That's uplifting. Yeah. Really, your palms are supine. He's supinating me.

It's suponating me up into the atmosphere. You have to walk at, like, your hands at a 45-degree angle, like your elbows. I can look like, like, an old Egyptian painting. Yes, no, because they're like this. Well, I mean, I feel like they're like both, you know. Their hands are sup-op. You got one of these? No, they have pronated.

You guys ever walk like an Egyptian before? You have pronated. What does pronated mean? This way. Okay, for audio-wise, tell me what it means. Supinated is when you're, um... Oh, okay. It's the opposite of suponated.

I have a real major history. I don't have one of those fake. majors like biology or exercise science, Mickey Mouse major. Of course. I'm a real major. I'm going to get a great paying job. Yeah, you're, yeah. I have no opportunities.

This is it. If this doesn't work, if this doesn't work, I have to go work in the mines. And yes. And you know that I heard that's very lucrative. Yes. Because those guys only work for like three or four months out of the year. Then they get black lung immediately in time. Yeah, I mean, you guys watch that movie, October sky.

I haven't. I used to watch the movie I was a little boy. I used to watch that movie. And yeah, man, I watched that movie and something in me was like, Coal Mines,

that might be a good idea. And I don't know how I got that impression because I watched it recently and his dad just died of black lung. And like people were getting smushed to death in the mines. You ever heard the song Big Bad John?

It's just a guy who's just humongous and just like sacrifices his life. Oh, was that? By Jimmy Dean. I feel like, I feel like there was a bit about that in a Gravity Falls episode. Yeah, Big Henry. Big Henry.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great shout. That's a great shout. Big Gravity Falls, Big Henry. This summer, Catherine's never seen Gravity Falls this summer. I watched the whole thing with her. It's only like two seasons, right? It's only two seasons, and it's just, I feel like it's sort of a master class in cartoons.

It is. It's great. I love cartoons. People get mad at me. They say, cartoons are for children. I say, anything's, for children if you think it is. No, well, no, you know what?

Never mind. I take that back. Anything can be for adults if you're overthinking. Yes. Anything can be for adults if you overthink it, you know? And it doesn't matter. It was made by adults. It can be for adults.

Come on, Mal. I laughed. You know? I'm of age. Bruncle Stan was funny. He was. He was. I cried.

He was. At times. Yeah. Pit Cola. Isn't, and isn't the gruncle Stan or one of the other characters, like, J.K. Simmons? The same guy who's like,

Jay Jonah James and Spider-Man? I believe it is the brother. Yeah, it's Stanford. Stan Ford. It was the original Gruncle Stan. Oh, yeah, that's right. I'm remembering the plot elements now. Yeah, I love J.K. Simmons.

We were just watching the original Toby McGar Spider-Man a few days ago. Yeah. I forgot how much his voice just... It's so good. Omni-Man. To be pictures of Spider-Man. I was about to say, isn't he Omni-Man? He's Omni-Man.

And he was also in that drumming movie. Oh, yes. Whiplash. Whiplash. I love that movie, man. Are you rushing or are you dragging? Probably right now, probably dragging a little bit. I think people are falling asleep.

You gotta be rushing. Come on, man. Yeah, they're falling asleep. I wish I would be rush. I think everybody should be rushing right now. This is good news. This is good news. This is good news. It is rush season.

We shouldn't be dragon. Nope. Otherwise, Jackie Simmons is going to come in and throw a chair at us and slap us. Yeah. That is what happens. Everyone rush Simpson. Did you just throw up the Simpson sign? I did just throw up the Simpson sign.

It's kind of cringe. Okay. Okay, thanks. Thanks. I like the constructive criticism. All right. Next question. Let's run it.

Hold on. I got to pull it up. You should have these on the go, just ready to rumble. Dude, they're right here. Okay, my bad. Can you please stop rushing me? Hey, you're rushing me. I'm sorry.

I'm trying to drag here. Not quite my tempo. Now I get the throw a symbol at your head. It's the rules. It is. Thanks for the constructive criticism. Do you lose the binder? Symbol at my head.

So, Liam asks. Yeah, Liam who? Liam Brennan. I assume. Okay. Long time follower of the show. He said, Hi, Liam. He said thoughts on logic and rhetoric. Just the class, logic and rhetoric? He, he put in front of this, he's like broad strokes. Broad strokes. Like class, like just everything, just concept. Yeah, I liked logic and rhetoric. Who'd you have? I had a Professor Green. Oh. Yeah, he's a, he's a cool guy. He's pretty awesome. He's from Texas. He's nice.

It's a good state. One time, he proppedered one of my exams last semester and he just like, was like, hey, I think he would like this. And it was a news article about why y'all is like a necessary word in the English language. And then I flipped it over and it was a recipe for taco soup. So that's, that's pretty cool. I think he's a cool guy. Did you like the taco soup? Yeah, it was good. He was right. That's the best two-sided thing anyone could possibly receive. Yeah, it was. A justification of the word y'all and then taco. I don't know if he meant to give me a taco soup recipe, but it was pretty good. Yeah, I know. I think Lodge and Roz was great.

I liked it. Some of the things you read it, it's like, oh, this is, you know, this is common sense. But honestly, like, you go out and you talk to people, and I don't think it is, you know? I agree.

I think a lot of people like to hate on the class, like, oh, this isn't necessary. I think it is because have you ever talked to a person on, like, on the street? I really try not to talk to people. Yeah. Yeah.

This is my social interaction for the week. Okay. Well, you're talking to me now. So, put that Laj and Rajan to work, man. Yeah. Yeah, and I like the class. I think it's interesting. I like syllogisms.

I don't think that they're the only way to get to knowledge. It's one of those things I get critiqued for a lot. But I feel like unfairly. You guys ever read the work of Michael Pollyani? No. Sounds French. He is, yeah. He was super inspired by this guy named Henri Bergson,

who also inspired to Jacques Mertain. You guys don't know. Any of these name are a bell? What's that second name? Andrik Berz? Henri Bersenri Bercson. Oh, he's all French and French people. They're all French guys, French philosophers.

Yeah, no, there's this concept. And I, you know, it's concept as old as time, but a lot of people attribute it somewhat to the work of Thomas Aquinas, but more sort of the work of St. John of the Cross. Not St. John of the Cross. Not, well. A different French guy? No, no. It is St. John of the Cross.

Anyway. What's the concept? The concept is that. is that there are things that we know that we like that can't be expressed or defined. And that like it's not a discursive mode of knowing. It's called co-natural knowledge sometimes. Sometimes it's called like the poetic imagination. Some people call it right brain thinking.

But I do think that that sort of work falls into the homunculus fallacy. But you know, you laughed at that. That's a real thing. That's a great fallacy. It's a great fallacy. It is. It's a psychological fallacy. It's really, it's a good, it's, yeah.

That's just lovely. I love that. Yeah, it's, uh, so it's, it's, it's when you attribute a faculty of like, well, in this case, it's the brain. So let's say, like, you attribute a faculty of the brain to only one of the, one of its parts. Instead of recognizing that it could come from multiple parts. Well, instead of recognizing that it, it only exists within the whole. Oh, I see somebody's like, oh, I see this a lot online.

Like, oh, human beings. is just like a brain and a central nervous system operating like a flesh machine. What's the homunculus fallacy? You know, what do you think? You think your brain and your central nervous system work without your body?

Right. You know, even if you believe that like only discursive knowledge exists, like how are you going to have discursive knowledge if you don't have any senses? You know, you can't see. You can't come to conclusions at all, dude. Well, not to say blind people can't come to conclusions.

But yeah, I think you know what I'm saying. Like, you have no senses. to come to conclusions. We actually are not a lot to make fun of blind people. We are about to make fun of deaf people, though, because they can't. Oh, they can't hear us.

What if they get the Braille transcript? Oh, never mind. That would be rough. I would feel bad for them transcribing my wolf howl. Yeah. I'm also really glad you guys didn't notice that I said deaf people have Braille, which is not the right mode of communication for that.

It's called writing. But I'm just like caught up on the idea of somebody like tracing their finger over braille and it's like, Boy, boy, boy, boys. Like, how are you? Yeah, it's like four. Just like a, like a bunch of O's.

Yeah, yeah. I don't have just wolves howl. Just unintelligible. What a long howl, yeah. If you put our podcast into any form that is not audio, it makes no sense. Unintelligible. Yeah.

Yeah. It's a jumbling of letters. It's like, it's like, it's true about a lot of podcasts. Unless they're like those professional podcasts, um, where it's just like, yeah. Hi, my name is Michelle Vandergo.

And today I'm walking, it's like that, fine. I've heard some of those. She's actually going to sue us later for that. I don't even know who Michelle Vandergo is, but I hope she doesn't. She's not for that shout. I know, or she's not. We just got legal trouble for that. Yeah, my bad.

But I feel like at that point you're making a podcast like that. Just like write something down, you know? Yeah. People like audio, though. You can put like sounds behind it and mix like music and. Yeah, but that's kind of like brain rod, isn't it? A little bit. You think like that's the equivalent of the subway surfers beneath your meme?

It's kind of just there to add. I just want to think about this with me, guys. Why is it that everybody nowadays is starting to prefer watching podcasts for their information instead of just reading? Because people are lazy. Yeah. Doesn't that kind of suck? Yeah.

I'm not too lazy to anything about it. Yeah, okay. I don't want to anything about it. It takes less of a trained mind, I think. It does. And I think it's also super interesting because I feel like if you're reading you have the faculty to like go through check.

I think if you're listening to a podcast, of course you can do that, but in my experience, like I'm less likely to go do the research. I mean, this, it's interesting. I don't know. I feel like we trust podcasts more

than we would a book if we were just reading it. Yeah. Do you guys, you guys experience that? I actually, I actually have the exact opposite experience. Oh, okay.

I actually do not. Like, if I'm listening to a podcast, I am listening to it purely because I want to like I'll put on because sometimes my music gets old you know yeah and it's like I want to listen to different so I put on a podcast

I exclusively will put on a podcast when the people on the podcast are telling like a funny story about their lives or something just like a story like it's funny stuff or stories like I will not listen to like health gurus or like fit like I am not because I know

that 99% of it is complete garbage yeah and they're just saying it. I heard someone say somewhere that like drinking salt water will cure like everything. Like no it won't. Did you try it? It won't. But can you try it? Sure.

If I give you a gallon of salt water right now. Chug it. Jamie, can you get us a gallon of salt water? I'm gonna take it down. One pull. Yeah. But well I mean, yeah, you have that experience, but like I think a lot of people just do listen to podcasts. But if I read something in a book, I'm a little bit more like, I don't know if that's true.

I'm like, I'm going to critique that. I'm going to think about whether that's true, whether it's true with my own experiences or the other things I've read. When I listen to a podcast and they say something, I'm like, ha-ha, yeah. I think, yeah,

I think there's that, like, this element of, like, vocal rhetoric that you can't get from a book that you can get from a podcast. You know, you'll always be able to hear the author's voice in a book. But... Especially if you've read a lot of that author.

You can start to get their audience. You can't hear their voice in a podcast. You can... Oh, you can. That's actually the one thing you can do. That's actually the one thing you can hear their voice. And I don't know, people can sound trustworthy. They can sound untrustworthy.

The way people say things, the more passionate somebody is about something, the more likely we are to trust them about it. That's why we all trust you, Edon. Oh, yeah. I'm just full of passion. That's what they say about me. I am passionate. Agamemnon full of passion.

Agamemnon, yeah. That's why he brought home Cassandra. Yeah. It led him to his doom. Moral of the story kids don't fall in love. True. What? Yeah.

That's what happened to Agamemnon. That's what happened. I'm well aware of what happened Agamemnon. Yeah. But it was more because some other guy telling him with his wife. Well, only in some versions of the story. Well, Homer.

According to Homer. According to Homer. Homer's the first one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but... You're gonna trust some weird guy from like... But it's a Latin dude from like the 200s? No, dude. I'm not talking about some Latin dude.

I'm talking about Sophocles, dude. Big Homes. Big Homes. Big Homes. Big Homes is first. Big Homes. He was the first ever do it. First ever, you are the youngest person ever.

How old are you? I'm four years old. You were the youngest person ever. That's such a good one. I love that. Yeah, but you know, con natural knowledge, man. I think it's real.

I think there's just an intuition. And it's good. It's more than just discursive. It's great. Oh, yeah, this was about. Can I get a TLDR on that? I'm circle back. I'm circling back.

I'm circle back. Yeah. too long didn't read you have two faculties of knowledge within within yourself one is discursive and that's like syllogism stuff two is intuitive you just know

it's just you just know I can't stop fishing's women I think that's the real takeaway then don't you can't you can't I think it's there for a reason I think for a reason I agree you know you can you can trust it

it's it's how we as humans can like be in a dangerous situation and also be drinking water at the same time. Yep. My... Wait. We're alert of our surroundings

while manipulating the world around us. So we're using our intuitive faculty to be aware of things around us and aware of danger while using our discursive faculty to manipulate the world. But deer can do that too. Yeah, I know.

Deer can do that too. Are deer smarter than us? But you don't have discursive reasoning. What? Deers make syllogisms. You guys, it's a metaphor. Deer's sorry. What do you think deer would...

It's like an analogy. Deer would be like, I want to eat plants. I don't think it was a proportional analogy. I think it was more like a... Oh, okay, yeah. We get lost in the sauce sometimes. No, it's okay.

You gotta save us and pull us out. But without the sauce, a man is lost. No, that's true. So, like, we're okay. What's the best Taco Bell heat sauce? Fire. I don't do the sauce. You don't do the sauce?

Nope. That's like a third of the experience. I want you just the way you are. Yeah, but wouldn't you also want a bottle of red and a bottle of white? Only what's for your appetite. Okay. Yeah. My intuitive

There's been a lot of music this episode, guys. I like that. I like it too. Well, I just turn. Boys. Boys, boys, boys. Oh, baby, I'm praying on you and I. My intuitive reasoning is telling me.

It's just falling out of my ears. But the last bit of my brain is telling me that it's that time. It's time. For the next question. Nope. I want to talk about 4B2C. No. After Dark.

That's all, that'll be our boys only after dark. Which you should tune into, it doesn't exist. Tuna, tune into you, never, ever, ever, never, ever. Tune in next Saturday, though, because we're back every Saturday. At 11 a.m. 11 a.m. Saturdays are for the boys. Saturdays are for you. On the radio at 11 a.m. every Saturday?

No, we don't go on the radio. No. It's wherever you get your podcast. It's on Spotify. You guys do not deserve to go on the radio? We don't want to. They don't let us. They don't let us.

You think they let this? You think they let this out into the world? Maybe, dude. We've asked. Okay. One day. No. Maybe one day they live in CIR faces.

No. No, no, no. Well, thanks for listening. Thanks for joining. No problem. Got any last words? Uh, no. That's so fair.

All right. Real G's moving silence like lasagna. I love that. More music for the end of the episode. Eating on prayer on you tonight. All right. Okay, guys, we have to close off the episode. with the

We have to do our outro No, this is the outro You guys ready to be We're all doing it together Three, two, one Boys, boys, boys, boys Welcome to the zone Baby I'm praying on you tonight

Hunt you.