WSJ What’s News - Bond Selloff Raises the Stakes for Earnings Season

Episode Date: January 13, 2025

A.M. Edition for Jan. 13. WSJ editor Alex Frangos explains why government-bond yields are surging around the world, and how this makes corporate earnings growth even more critical. Plus, resurgent win...ds in Los Angeles pose fresh challenges for firefighters. And WSJ autos reporter Christopher Otts tells us about his visit to one of the EV “battery belt” towns whose fortunes could turn if Donald Trump pulls federal funding. Kate Bullivant hosts. Sign up for the WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Strengthening winds threaten efforts to control catastrophic fires in Los Angeles. Plus, investors hope earnings season can revive a stock market rally. And EV battery plants crop up across the country, even as uncertainty looms over tens of billions in Biden-era subsidies. It's going to be very interesting to see what Republicans do here when they assume full control in Washington. These factories are coming to the South and the Midwest primarily to Republican states such as Kentucky. It's Monday, January 13th. I'm Kate Bullivant for the Wall Street Journal filling in for Luke Vargas and here is the AM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories
Starting point is 00:00:50 moving your world today. Authorities in the Los Angeles area are warning that strong Santa Ana winds that have fuelled the historic wildfires in the city are forecast to return today. While a lull in windy conditions allowed firefighters to make some progress over the weekend, Los Angeles County Fire Chief Anthony Morrone warned yesterday of worsening weather and urged residents to be ready for more evacuations. Here he is courtesy of ABC 7 Los Angeles. Elevated critical fire weather conditions will continue through Wednesday. Please rest assured that your County of Los Angeles Fire Department will be prepared. These winds combined
Starting point is 00:01:38 with low humidities and low fuel moistures will keep the fire threat in all of Los Angeles County very high. According to the state fire authority, the Palisades fire, which started a week ago, was just 13% contained as of early this morning, while the Eaton fire in Altadena and Pasadena is 27% contained. Officials said the death toll from the fires rose to 24, as search and rescue efforts continue in what California Governor Gavin Newsom projected will be the worst natural disaster in US history. China's economy is more dependent on exports than it has been for most of the past two decades.
Starting point is 00:02:26 That's according to new figures that show Chinese exports to the rest of the world grew 5.9% to $3.6 trillion last year, putting trade on track to make up one-fifth of the growth China is expected to report this year. That growing reliance on exports highlights China's struggles to report this year. That growing reliance on exports highlights China's struggles to revive customer spending domestically and leaves it vulnerable to a new broadside on trade from President-elect Trump. Government bond yields have surged around the world in recent weeks, hitting stocks and pressuring indebted countries. With earnings season about to kick off,
Starting point is 00:03:05 I asked Europe Finance Editor Alex Frangos to stop by and help us understand what's been behind this bond sell-off and how it affects the broader market. Alex, start by telling us what's happening and what is it a sign of? It's basically a sign of the US economy doing really well, growing much more strongly than people expected and therefore worries about inflation being more persistent and expectations
Starting point is 00:03:31 that the Fed won't be able to cut rates as much as they wanted. The Fed is so important, not just to the US, but to the whole global economy. It pulls up rates in the rest of the world. So we've seen bond yields, government borrowing costs essentially rising in the UK and Germany all over the place. And while it's good news for the US that the economy is growing well, for the rest of the world where the economies aren't doing so well, these rising borrowing costs can make it harder for companies and consumers to borrow at a time when arguably they need to be able to borrow to get the economy going.
Starting point is 00:04:05 What are the consequences of this for the stock market? Does this raise the stakes going into this earnings season? Absolutely. So the stock market has had a little wobble the beginning of the year, partially because it's safer to be in bonds that are yielding 5% than in stocks that are already very overvalued. And so we're heading this week into the beginning of the earnings season. We'll have the big banks like JP Morgan, Wells Fargo, and asset manager BlackRock, and other companies starting to report how they did at the end of last year. And investor expectations for profits are pretty high.
Starting point is 00:04:39 They're expecting pretty robust profit growth. And companies need to meet that and they need to also give an outlook for the future saying, hey, it's also still looking pretty good. Otherwise people are worried that the stock market could wobble even further. That was the Journal's Europe Finance Editor, Alex Frankos. Donald Trump's pick to lead the CIA, Johncliffe is likely to push for more aggressive spying operations targeting Beijing, if confirmed by the Senate this week, current and former colleagues say. According to a person close to the former congressman, this could include spy missions against high-level officials in China and covert operations intended to counter Beijing's growing influence around the world. Ratcliffe would also likely pursue such activity to deter recent Chinese cyber attacks, this person said. A representative for the Chinese embassy in Washington didn't respond to a request for comment.
Starting point is 00:05:39 China has accused the US of manufacturing claims against Beijing to justify its own foreign policy. Meanwhile, also preparing for his confirmation hearing this week is Pete Hegseth, Trump's nominee for defence secretary. Hegseth is bracing for tough questions around allegations of sexual assault, which he has denied, as well as his comments that women should be barred from combat, a position he recently softened. A dozen senators and aides interviewed on Capitol Hill in recent days said they believe Hegseth is likely to win confirmation, but that it depends on Hegseth's
Starting point is 00:06:16 performance at the hearing. Coming up, tens of billions in federal money to support EV battery plants helped drive a boom in towns across the South and Midwest. What happens if Trump decides to pull that funding? We've got that story after the break. the GTA from real Canadian superstore with PC Express. Shop online for super prices and super savings. Try it today and get up to $75 in PC optimum points. Visit superstore.ca to get started. Just as America's so-called battery belt was finding its feet, thanks in part to tens of billions in federal money that's helped fund EV battery factories stretching from Georgia to Michigan, it now risks having the rug pulled out from under it.
Starting point is 00:07:11 That's because President-elect Trump and some Republicans in Congress are threatening to eliminate federal funding for EVs. So how are the US's new battery towns responding? Journal Auto's reporter Christopher Otz went to one of them to find out and told our Luke Vargas about it. Chris, your travels took you to Kentucky, to the town of Elizabethtown, population 33,000. I'm curious what you found there. Well, Elizabethtown has been undergoing a boom in the last few years. Now it was growing already but then in 2021 when Ford announced that it would build its largest electric vehicle
Starting point is 00:07:51 battery manufacturing complex in nearby Glendale that was the catalyst for just a huge boom in growth and construction. So if you drive around you'll see all kinds of former farmland that now has these three and four story apartment buildings popping up. You'll see new restaurants, you'll see new single-family homes being built, and it's all predicated on a population boom that's expected to happen when this new factory called Blue Oval is fully up and running with 5,000 new jobs. Yeah, Elizabeth Towns may are telling you
Starting point is 00:08:32 basically that they are banking on the success of those Ford factories in order for the town to be able to justify all these investments and you report their EV plants going up in Tennessee, Ohio, North Carolina, Georgia and as the head of the trade group the Zero Emission Transportation Association told you, in many cases, these are the same places that had been the backbone of U.S. auto manufacturing for decades, which brings us I guess to the political math of all of this for President-elect Trump, whether to continue some of these subsidies that were included in President Biden's Inflation Reduction Act.
Starting point is 00:09:03 Yeah, it's going to be very interesting to see what Republicans do here when they assume full control in Washington. And the reason is that, as you said, these factories are coming to the south and the Midwest, primarily to Republican states such as Kentucky. And there's certainly the desire not to pull the rug out from under them, even though no Republicans voted for the Inflation Reduction Act. So it's important to distinguish between a few things. So everyone or many people are aware of the $7,500 tax credit that's available when you purchase an EV from a car dealer. And that has been in the crosshairs.
Starting point is 00:09:44 It may very well go away when Trump comes into office. an EV from a car dealer and that has been in the crosshairs. It may very well go away when Trump comes into office. There are other ways that the IRA supports all of this, however, and one of the biggest is tax credits that manufacturers get for making batteries in the United States. The government is expected to spend about $78 billion on the production tax credit and that amount really dwarfs the amount from the $7,500 at the dealer. So whether they leave that money or not is also a big question but of course it's all tied together if demand for EVs goes away because there's no more federal incentives for consumers to purchase them.
Starting point is 00:10:28 Well then demand for EV batteries will also fall. You know, Luke, we're already seeing the sort of fragility of this market just in Kentucky where I was. You've got two massive, massive facilities side by side, but only one of these plants is actually getting ready to start work. And that's because Ford in 2023 decided to delay the second plant indefinitely citing the slower than expected EV demand. So this second plant for now is basically mothballed. We don't know when it
Starting point is 00:11:07 will start and when the 2,500 jobs that are associated with that plant will come online. All right. So already a challenging market for EVs take away the federal tax credits then and or the consumer rebates. I'm curious where the EV battery industry in the US stands. Is this a sector that can stand on its own? Eventually, that is the hope automakers have, but today it would perhaps look very different. You might see many more plant idlings like we saw in Kentucky, because right now most automakers are just not making money on EVs. And part of the equation is insourcing the battery making process and benefiting from the scale
Starting point is 00:11:52 of selling many EVs and rationalizing the fixed costs associated with these huge investments that they've made. So it would be very interesting to see what happens in a scenario when all of the support is removed because the EV market just has not materialized as quickly as automakers thought it would only two, three, four years ago. Chris Otz is an autos reporter for the Journal. Chris, I have a feeling we're going to be checking in with you on this story again in the next few months. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you so much. Thank you. And that's it for What's News for this Monday morning. Today's show was produced by Daniel Bach with supervising producer Christina Rorca. And I'm Kate Bulevend for The Wall Street
Starting point is 00:12:39 Journal filling in for Luke Vargas. We'll be back tonight with a new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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