WSJ What’s News - What Drove OpenAI’s ‘Code Red’ for ChatGPT

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

P.M. Edition for Dec. 9. OpenAI CEO Sam Altman declared a “code red” last week to prioritize the company’s ChatGPT chatbot after a competitive threat from Google. WSJ reporter Sam Schechner expl...ains what drove that decision and the implications it could have for ChatGPT, the world’s dominant chatbot. Plus, what investors expect as the Federal Reserve kicks off its last meeting of the year ahead of tomorrow’s rate decision. And why is it so hard to get a clear picture of the economic health of U.S. consumers? WSJ’s Telis Demos says one reason is the rise of a lending alternative: private credit. Alex Ossola hosts. Sign up for the WSJ's free What's News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:01:00 It's Tuesday, December 9th. I'm Alex O'Sillef for the Wall Street Journal. This is the PM edition of What's News, the top headlines and business stories that move the world today. Today, Federal Reserve officials gathered for their final two-day rate-setting meeting of the year. They won't announce their decision until tomorrow, but they're expected to cut rates by a quarter point, though as many as half the policymakers have significant.
Starting point is 00:01:30 that they oppose a cut. Officials have been unusually divided over whether a weaker jobs market or worsening inflation would be harder to fix if the Fed makes the wrong choice now. Some outside the Fed think that a quarter point rate cut doesn't go far enough, including President Trump. Another of those people is Kevin Hassett, the director of the White House National Economic Council, who is widely believed to be Trump's pick to take over as Fed chair next year. Here's Hassett speaking this morning at the WSJ's CEO Council Summit. Journalist Poppy Harlow asked him whether he'd substantially lower interest rates
Starting point is 00:02:05 if he became the Fed chair. If the data suggests that we could do it, then like right now I think there's plenty of room to do it. Plenty of room, which plenty is more than 25 points. Correct. Okay. Hassett says he would rely on his own judgment if he were the Fed chair
Starting point is 00:02:19 and not bow to political pressure when deciding on policy. So the loyalty, if your Fed Chair, would be to what the president wants or to your economic independent judgment? Yeah, to my judgment, which I think the president trusts and a firm commitment to not be partisan, and I worry that the Fed has been partisan.
Starting point is 00:02:40 But tomorrow, investors expect the Fed to signal caution about cutting rates further in 2026. And in today's trading, major U.S. indexes were mixed. The NASDAQ and the S&P were almost unchanged, while the Dow fell 0.4%. The worst performer in the Dow was, was J.P. Morgan Chase, whose shares slid 4.7% after an executive predicted higher expenses next year. It was the steepest decline in the bank's shares since April. In commodities trading, silver prices
Starting point is 00:03:09 closed above $60 a Troy ounce for the first time. Its gains have outpaced gold this year, making silver the hottest commodity of 2025. OpenAI is the world's most valuable startup, and it's got a lot going on. Besides, it's popular chat-GPT chatbot, it's got the image generator Dolly, and the text-to-video product, SORA. It's also working towards artificial general intelligence, broadly defined as being able to outthink humans at almost all tasks. But last week, CEO Sam Altman put out a memo declaring a code-red effort to improve the quality of chat-GPT and pushing for a pause on other projects. I'm joined now by Sam Shackner, who covers tech for the journal. Sam, what triggered this decision for
Starting point is 00:03:56 open AI and what changes is it making now? The most direct cause of this code red has been the immediate threat from Google. Last month, the release of Gemini 3, its new model, blew past OpenAI on a closely watched third-party leaderboard of AI tools. It feels like just the conversation around AI chatbots has suddenly said, hey, Google. And that's been a real challenge for the company, leading Sam Altman to put out a company-wide memo saying, OK, we need to pour resources back into ChatGPT, our core consumer product. And he's summoning people from other teams to work on improving that product. How has ChatGPT been doing, not only in terms of its lead in the AI race,
Starting point is 00:04:45 but also its relationship with users? It is a runaway consumer success. more than 800 million people every week are using ChatGPT. And it's a lot of what's driven the valuation of the company. Behind some of that success is the fact that ChatGPT has built sometimes emotional relationship with users. People tend to love it. And there's actually one model in particular that kind of epitomizes that,
Starting point is 00:05:14 which was the default model until earlier this year. It's called ChatGPT 4-0. One of the really unique and special things about 4-0 is that it was trained using something called user feedback signals. You know, millions of choices by consumers of which kind of response they preferred to train the chatbot. And it turned out that it was really good at making users happy. And when they rolled this out, they saw an immediate bump in daily active users. But those signals that made people love the chatbot, did they cause any problems? And what does that mean for Open AI now?
Starting point is 00:05:54 Those same signals also is thought to have created a problem called sycophancy, which is in AI speak, basically a model that goes way too far in telling you what you want to hear. Sam Altman in his memo says, we're going to pour resources back into improving chat GPT. And what does he point to as the number one, way to do that? Well, better use of user signals. Open AI says that it has done a lot of work to make sure that its models better respond to people in distress. And so the question here will be how will Open AI navigate the delicate balance between giving people what they want, trying to make their product more popular in a tough commercial race, versus giving people maybe what's
Starting point is 00:06:46 healthiest in the moment. That was Wall Street Journal reporter. Sam Shackner. Thank you, Sam. Thanks so much for having me. And we should note that News Corp, owner of the journal, has a content licensing partnership with OpenAI. Those AI chips that the Trump administration says NVIDIA is now allowed to ship to China, administration officials say they'll have an unusual extra step involved, a special security review. People familiar with the matter say that the chips will go from Taiwan, where they're made, to the U.S. for a national security review, and then on to China. The U.S. is supposed to receive a 25%
Starting point is 00:07:25 cut from the sales. And some experts say that the complex supply chain journey could help the deal clear legal obstacles so that it doesn't seem like an export tax, which is forbidden by the Constitution. The export approvals haven't been finalized, and the details could change. Coming up, why we might not be getting the full picture of how much Americans borrow, and why that matters. That's after the break. Get to know yourself and your roots better with Ancestry DNA. Want to know where your family comes from in northern France? Maybe you'd like to see how your genes influence certain traits like diet, fitness, and allergies.
Starting point is 00:08:08 There's so much of you and your heritage to discover. Visit Ancestry.ca and get started with an AncestryDNA kit today. President Trump is pushing Ukraine to accept a U.S. peace plan. In an interview late yesterday with Politico, Trump said Russia holds the cards in any peace negotiation and that Ukraine is, quote, losing. Meanwhile, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said today that he expects a 20-point plan worked on by European and Ukrainian officials will be shared with the U.S. tomorrow. He also expects meetings with Trump's national security team this week.
Starting point is 00:08:49 The White House didn't immediately reply to a request for comment on the discussions. And Honduras's Attorney General has asked Global Police Organization Interpol to arrest the country's former president on corruption charges. The former president, Juan Orlando Hernandez, was released from a U.S. prison last week after a pardon from President Trump. Hernandez was serving a 45-year sentence for a drug trafficking conviction. It's a question that has been on a lot of people's minds. How are U.S. consumers doing these days?
Starting point is 00:09:24 There are the usual places to look, like credit card spending and debt levels. But increasingly, that's only showing part of the picture, because a growing amount of consumer lending is shifting to less visible parts of the financial system, like private credit. For more on the rise of private credit and what it means for our picture of the U.S. economy, I'm joined now by Tellis Demos, a writer for Heard on the Street and co-host of the WS.J's Take on the Week podcast. Tell us what kinds of loans are included in this umbrella of private credit. What we're seeing are a lot of firms that are not banks, you might call them like financial technology or fintech companies, funding the lending they do through the private credit markets.
Starting point is 00:10:06 A lot of these companies do lending like buy now, pay later lending. They do other kinds of consumer loans. Usually they're smaller and shorter term loans. There are people who might not have access to the normal types of credit, like, say, a credit card, but are actually a good bet from a lender's point of view. Private credit can help them reach that because private credit can do sort of what it wants, right? They don't have to follow as many rules. That is the type of thing that might appeal to investors like insurance companies or certain kinds of asset managers, this like insular sort of private market only for qualified individuals and institutions who might be willing to lend you a relatively small amount of money. for a short period of time and to do that like over and over again.
Starting point is 00:10:49 What makes you think we're not seeing the full picture of consumer health? It's something that has been on my mind for a while because I hear different things from different people about the state of the consumer. If you talk to somebody at a big bank, you'll hear again and again, our consumer looks pretty good. If you listen to the earnings call of a retailer or a discounter or a restaurant, you might hear very different things. People are trading down.
Starting point is 00:11:13 They're not eating out as much. They're still spending at the same level, but they're doing it less often. You hear a lot of conflicting stories. And so how do you square all these different stories, right? Are they just telling different stories about different groups of people? Maybe we're just all looking at different pieces of data, right? And I suspect that there is sometimes pieces missing because there are certain kinds of lending where you don't see how people are doing.
Starting point is 00:11:39 You don't see how much debt they might have, or at least we can't see it in the places we normally look. Is there a risk involved in not having as complete a picture as possible about consumer health? I think there's definitely a risk for investors because you might think that, oh, okay, I own shares of consumer companies. I think they're going to do pretty well in 26. Well, that might not be the case if it turns out that a big segment of their customers are struggling and aren't able to spend as much. I think that there's a risk for policymakers. The Federal Reserve has to make decisions about how the economy is doing about whether it wants to cut rates or not.
Starting point is 00:12:13 If they don't really have the right handle on how consumers are doing, they might make the wrong decision. It's just much harder for investors and people in business to make decisions about how to get ready for 2026 if they don't have the right information about the state of the U.S. consumer. That was WS.J Heard on the Street Writer and co-host of WSJ's Take on the Week podcast, Talis Demos. Thanks, thanks, Talis.
Starting point is 00:12:37 Thanks, Alex. And that's what's news for this Tuesday afternoon. Today's show is produced by Pierre Bienname with supervising producer Tali Arbell. I'm Alex Osala for the Wall Street Journal. We'll be back with the new show tomorrow morning. Thanks for listening.

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