WSJ What’s News - Why AI Fears Are Suddenly Hitting Tech Stocks

Episode Date: February 4, 2026

A.M. Edition for Feb. 4. Software stocks are sliding again today, following a rough day on Wall Street that saw the rise of new AI tools shave more than $300 billion off of companies that sell or inve...st in software. WSJ’s Hannah Miao explains what’s driving the selloff and what it all means for investors. Plus, Novo Nordisk shares plummet as the weight-loss drugmaker warns of unprecedented pricing pressure. And we look at why China is banning retractable car door handles. Luke Vargas hosts. Sign up for the WSJ’s free What’s News newsletter. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:33 Software stocks, keep on. sliding as AI's rapidly evolving capabilities rattle investors. Plus, shares of Novo Nordisk plummet as price competition reshapes the market for weight loss drugs. And China flexes its regulatory muscle banning retractable door handles on electric vehicles. It really shows how China has become not only a leader in EDs, but also a laboratory of experimentation when it comes to dealing with associated technologies. It's Wednesday, February 4th. I'm Luke Vargas for the Wall Street Journal, and here is the AM edition of What's News,
Starting point is 00:01:08 the top headlines and business stories moving your world today. Software stocks in Asia and Europe are sliding today, following a rough day on Wall Street that saw the rise of new AI tools shave more than $300 billion off of companies that sell or invest in software. Yesterday's big losers included Adobe, Salesforce, LegalZoom.com, PayPal, Expedia, and Equifax, as traders called into question the competitive modes those businesses had built up. And with more on this software sell-off, I'm joined by reporter Hannah Meow. Hannah, what triggered this?
Starting point is 00:01:48 I kind of thought AI was a potential benefit for some of these companies, enabling them to kind of power up their professional offerings. And yet the thinking seems to be they could just get bypassed completely. Is that right? Yeah, we've seen Anthropic and Open AI release new models and updates recently that have shown a pretty big advancement. and just how much these AI tools can do. Anthropics Clod code has really taken off.
Starting point is 00:02:14 People have been vibe coding, which means people who are not technical software engineers, being able to code their own tools using Clod. And that has enabled people to play around with tools that help with a wide variety of tasks from analyzing health data to compiling expense reports. So it's really kind of called into question the business models, of these software companies. And more recently, Anthropic announced it was adding legal tools to its co-work assistant and that it could help automate a number of legal drafting and
Starting point is 00:02:50 research tasks. So that in particular has hit a number of companies that provide legal tools or research databases. And that kind of lit the spark for the broader sell-off in the software market yesterday. And Hannah, the damage isn't limited there. I mean, not that that's anything to write off, but it goes further. This is spreading to investors in software. That's right. We've seen alternative investment firms in recent years really invest heavily in software equity in debt. So those firms such as KKR, Blue Owl Capital or Blackstone, they all saw their shares punished yesterday in the sell-off as well. So software has become a major slice of their investment portfolio. And investors in those companies are wondering if that will impact.
Starting point is 00:03:37 their overall business. A lot of disruption in the air, Hannah, a bunch of analysts using this moment to be quite vocal about how they feel about AI, a threat to many of the big names in software. But I'm curious if that's the only view. Are we hearing cases for why some of these companies will be able to defend their modes? Yeah, it's hard to say exactly how this will play out. But we're hearing from software companies that, you know, it's not just the ability to write code that's the big part of their business. They also do a lot of data, man. They have this trust with their clients. And if people are vibe coding things that are handling sensitive customer information, that might not be totally secure.
Starting point is 00:04:17 So we're seeing software companies trying to defend really their value add in this environment. And we'll see how it plays out. That was the journal's Hannah Meow. Hannah, thank you as always for the update. Thanks for having me. Well, if you thought that the hyperscalers behind leading AI products are immune from that trend we just discussed, think again, Microsoft dipped almost 3% yesterday on concerns that AI tools could make enterprise subscriptions less necessary. The company's co-pilot assistant is a key part of its growth plans, but new data from recon analytics shows that subscribers who use Microsoft's co-pilot as their primary option almost have in the last six months, while Google's Gemini gained in popularity.
Starting point is 00:05:01 According to city research, some companies are using just 10% of the co-pilot subscription seat. they've paid for. Well, it's also a bad week for crypto with Bitcoin now down nearly 40% since hitting a record in October. The ongoing slump is also starting to hurt trading platforms like Coinbase and Robin Hood, as well as companies previously rewarded for hoarding cryptocurrencies like Michael Saylor's strategy. And as markets reporter Alex Ossipovich explains, that could hurt crypto prices even more. If you want to bet on Bitcoin going up, you can just buy Bitcoin, But you can also bet on Michael Saylor and strategy because you know that not only is your money when you invest in strategy going to be used to purchase Bitcoin, but it'll be used to purchase more Bitcoin. And if his stock goes up, he'll issue more stock, sell it, and use it to buy Bitcoin.
Starting point is 00:05:50 So it's kind of a leveraged bet on Bitcoin. The risk is that the effect will turn into reverse. And some of these companies could come under financial stress and then they won't have any recourse except to sell. their holdings of cryptocurrency. And if they start selling, that'll put downward pressure on the price of whatever cryptocurrency they're holding, which would cause them to sell even more. For strategy, a Bitcoin price below $76,000 is largely loss-making because that's the average price that it paid for the crypto over the years.
Starting point is 00:06:24 Bitcoin is today trading right around that price. Shares of Danish drug maker Novo Nordisk are plunging this morning after the maker of weight loss drugs, Ozempic and Wigovee, share. shaved its sales forecast and warned of unprecedented pricing pressure. Journal heard on the street columnist David Wainer told me that Novo is facing intense competition from Eli Lilly, reshaping a GLP1 drug market that looked vastly different just a few years ago. Both Lili and Novo Nordics agreed to reduce the prices of their drugs in some markets in exchange for some coverage with the Trump administration and obviously removal of the tariff threats
Starting point is 00:07:03 that were a big cloud over the entire industry last year. there is obviously surging demand for these drugs, but the concern is that the price cuts are sort of working against or counteracting that growth in volume. So take Novo Nordics, for example, the company is anticipating a 5 to 13 percent sales decline this year. A lot of that is because prices are coming down. In some markets, the drugs even going generic, like Canada, for example, and it's not yet seeing that volume growth that makes up for that price decline. Over time, there is some hope that the company could see growth, especially as it rolls out the Wigovi pill, which is essentially the first tablet form of GLP1, so a lot of excitement in the company for that.
Starting point is 00:07:47 But volume growth needs to be very high to make up for that decline in prices that the company's seeing. David, these GLP1 pills may be, as you say, an exciting new frontier, but the list prices we're seeing for them kind of underscores the pricing pressure you've been talking about. Novo selling them for $149 a month in the U.S. Eli Lilly planning to do the same. That's a far cry from the $1,000 or so a month that these companies have been charging for shots. Yeah, absolutely.
Starting point is 00:08:14 We're certainly seeing price competition in a way that you don't normally see for big pharma, blockbusters. In a way, it underscores the different type of market that we're in. This isn't like that sort of immunotherapy cancer thing that comes out as $100,000 plus dollars a year, and the pharma companies just sort of milks that out until the patent expires. This is more of a mass market drug situation where the companies are just
Starting point is 00:08:36 trying to get tens of millions of people to take these drugs and eventually hundreds of millions of people to beyond these drugs. And then that sort of justifies those lower prices. Eli Lilly, the maker of Zepbound, is set to report earnings later this morning. Coming up, we'll look at President Trump's diplomatic pivot with Colombia and why China is banning retractable car door handles. Those stories and more after the break. Find your perfect home on Realture.com. The perfect home in the perfect neighborhood, in the perfect school district perfectly close to work, but perfectly far enough away to escape to. With over half a million new listings every month on Realture.com, you won't miss out on your perfectly perfect home.
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Starting point is 00:09:52 whether they should continue to run their own elections as the Constitution spells out. I want to see elections be honest. And if a state can't run an election, I think the people behind me should do something about it. Democrats and top Republicans in Congress have opposed Trump's suggestion. Meanwhile, President Trump appears to have backed off threatened military action against Colombia. After a year of trading insults and feuding over counterdrug and immigration policy, Trump welcomed Colombian President Gustavo Petro to the White House yesterday. The press were blocked from their Oval Office sit down, but Trump called the meeting productive, and Petro emerged from the White House with a red Maga hat in hand,
Starting point is 00:10:31 saying that things had ended on an optimistic and positive note. Officials have been working behind the scenes for months to reset relations with one of Washington's most important security partners in Latin America. And finally, could retractable car door handles soon go the way of the Dodo? The staple of many EVs meant to Increase aerodynamic efficiency are facing increased safety concerns. And authorities in China this week banned their use starting next year, saying that new cars would need to have both internal and external handles that can be mechanically opened.
Starting point is 00:11:13 Our Yoko Kubota is in Beijing. This decision comes after some accidents in China. State media here reported that last year, one of these accidents was a deadly one with a passenger that got stuck in a car with this kind of retractable door handle. And there were people that tried to take this person out, but the door couldn't be opened. So that has spiked public concerns and probably also helped authorities consider this kind of rules. Nearly half of all the cars sold in China are EVs or plug-in hybrids these days. It'll be interesting to see if we continue to see auto regulations set in China have an impact on car design worldwide and how people think about safety of electric vehicles and connected cars.
Starting point is 00:11:55 And that's it for what's news for this Wednesday morning. Today's show was produced by Hattie Moyer and Daniel Bach. Our supervising producer is Sandra Kilhoff, and I'm Luke Vargas for the Wall Street Journal. We will be back tonight with a new show. Until then, thanks for listening.

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