WSJ Your Money Briefing - Do You Know More About Personal Finance Than This High Schooler?

Episode Date: June 18, 2025

More than 120 high-schoolers put their personal finance knowledge to the test in the Council for Economic Education’s National Personal Finance Challenge. Host Oyin Adedoyin is joined by personal finance reporter Ashlea Ebeling, who helped turn the questions from the challenge into a quiz for Wall Street Journal readers, some of whom didn’t score as well as the teenagers who competed.  Sign up for the WSJ's free Markets A.M. newsletter.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Find an agent today at Desjardins.com slash business coverage. Okay, here we go. It's time for the final round of the 16th annual National Personal Finance Challenge. The only point where we really felt confident, oh, like, oh, we got this, we're going to win, was at the last two questions on the final quiz wall. It was very intense, very stressful, but I think we all really enjoyed that kind of intensity. That's Caleb Lee. He's 17 years old and he was part of a four-person team of students

from Scripps Ranch High School in San Diego who recently won the Council of Economic Education's National Personal Finance Challenge. That means that he knows more about personal finance than a lot of adults. Here's your money briefing for Wednesday, June 18th. I'm Oyen Adedoyan for The Wall Street Journal. How much do you think you know about personal finance? We recently published two quizzes that put our readers' understanding of things like retirement accounts and investing terms to the test. The questions came from a challenge posed to high school students, like Caleb Lee. Caleb, what sparked your initial interest in personal finance?

And when did you decide to take that extra step and actually compete? So I would definitely say my initial interest in finance came from my dad. My first savings, he helped me invest that into stocks like ETFs, index funds. And he also like just overall talks about his experience with retirement accounts, mortgages, insurance and taxes. I've also been to like a few camps when I was younger in middle school that have taught me like a few

of the basics and just got that interest going. And then what really led me to compete was my friend who was in the competition with me, his name is Ryan. He's the one who asked me and he knew that I'd be willing to do this with him. Wow, so how did you go about, I guess, studying or practicing for this big challenge? For the initial preliminary test, we actually were able to pass that with our pre-existing financial knowledge. But then once we passed that

and qualified for the initial case study, we created the studying methods around the practice case studies that we did. And we basically decided, oh, we would split up this financial planning into sections. So there would be like things like budgets, retirement planning, insurance, debt and loans and different like groups like that. And then each person would take like one to two of these groups. And then we also studied a bit

of general finance knowledge, like some gift taxes, trust, 529 to IRA rollovers, things like Medicaid qualifications. What would you say was your section of expertise? For the quiz bowl, I actually studied a lot about bonds and financial ratios. I did a lot of research on my own using websites online or videos that I found. And there's this one specific website like Investopedia, but it has a lot of this more niche or advanced terms that I found on there and I felt like it explained them pretty well. We also reached out to a few people that we knew were like really well versed in their

financial literacy skills. For example, like Ryan knew some financial planner who was able to give us feedback and there was definitely some helpful information from that as well. So it sounds like you guys went through great lengths to really prepare for this and make sure you knew your stuff. And do you know more about personal finance than some Wall Street Journal readers?

From those who took the quiz online, we know that only seven out of 10, for instance, knew what a limit order is when buying stocks. How does it feel to know more about personal finance than many adults? Some of the adults in my life did take the test and they actually didn't end up getting all the questions right. And I was kind of surprised by that. I thought it was like common knowledge for adults, right. But I just feel like financial literacy is really important because like there's a lot of relevance no matter what field someone's going into because they're always going to have to deal with these topics.

And even the case study shows how adequate financial literacy applies to any situation. In a few years, you'll be an adult. I'm curious what your goals are for the future. I want to go to a good college and then I want to be able to get a job related to finance or related to engineering actually or a mix of both. Do you feel like more people should get into personal finance? What do you think might be stopping the younger generation from learning about it? I definitely feel like it's a really important life skill.

So like I guess the biggest thing stopping people from learning is kind of like that it's not taught as a class in school. There are some schools with like financial programs and economics classes, but at least in my area and the people that I know don't really have that available to them. So it would be a huge help if we could, I guess, as a community, as a society, try to advocate for more financial literacy to the younger generation by implementing those classes or programs. Some of the camps that I went to were really helpful in getting me started. So how well did Wall Street Journal readers do on the quiz? And what does it

tell us about financial literacy? We'll hear from reporter Ashley Ebling, who helped turn some of those questions that Caleb was asked into an online quiz. That's after the break. business. A brand new way to file your own T2 return, all while getting help from an expert who actually knows small businesses. Got a tattoo studio? Toy store? Tiny but mighty taco stand? We've got someone who gets small business taxes inside and out. Experts are standing by to help and review while you file, so you know your return's done right. Intuit TurboTax business. New from TurboTax Canada. Some regional exclusions apply. Learn more at TurboTax.ca slash business tax. The Wall Street Journal published two quizzes

based off of the questions that high schoolers were asked in the Council for Economic Education's Personal Finance Challenge. My colleagues, Ashley Ebling and Ben Eisen, worked on the quiz, and Ashley joins me to discuss how our readers did. Ashley, do you remember what you know about personal finance?

I mean, I know you're a tax whiz, but what did you know about personal finance in your teens? Oh, it was like my dad helped me. He had all the papers on a big desk literally every night. He was either doing medical bills or some other kind of paperwork and walking me and my brother through it. And my mom was the one who took me to the local bank to open up my first account. Yeah, I was the same way.

I didn't take a personal finance class in high school, and my dad was an accountant. So he always, I mean, he still does my taxes to this day. But, yeah, when I was younger, he'd always, I'd just take all of the tax forms and all the complicated forms to him, and he'd kind of crunch the numbers. I felt like I didn't need to know as much about personal finances until maybe in college or something. So I took the personal finance quizzes.

I took one and two. Some of these questions are hardcore. And the kids had it even harder than you had it. Because in the competition, it's an open-ended question. Oh, there aren't multiple choice. So, right, so they have to come up with it off the top of their head. So a lot of people engaged with these quizzes. I'm curious about how many Wall Street Journal readers completed the quiz and how they did.

So the first one, it was 50,000 people took it, and then they were saying, like, where are the rest of the questions? So that's what led us to do the second quiz. People did really well. Nine out of 10 aced this question about certificates of deposit. That might also mean, like, our readers were skewing older. It's not totally clear clear But then only seven of ten knew what a limit order is when buying stocks So one thing I'd say is for young people taking the quizzes If you see certain areas that you get wrong if you're getting your first credit card Make sure you know what a cash advance is with the difference between Putting something on your credit card versus your debit card. When you're opening your first brokerage account, understand when

you're checking the boxes of your putting a power of attorney on account. Just really ask questions. So according to the National Endowment for Financial Education, 28 states have passed financial literacy graduation requirement laws, which means that in those states high schools need to have some kind of personal finance class or test for the students to graduate. What are you hearing from maybe like teachers who are teaching personal finance now? Well, I think it's like a huge thing.

And in most cases, people really do learn from their family. And then that puts them either at an advantage or a disadvantage depending on what their parents or their older relatives know. Young people need to know, even if their parents aren't financial wizards, they could look into broader networks. And then having the broader network of teachers and coaches

who are involved is super important. In this personal finance quiz, these kids, the ones who won, they did not have a personal finance class at their school, but it was one of the teachers who decided he wanted to work with these kids to take them through this competition. So that there again, it's great. It's having like the one adult who really cares about it. So Ashley, you told me the other day that you took the personal finance quiz with your daughters who are college age, right? How'd they do? They follow me, which I'm kind of lucky as a parent to say that. So when they saw the

article pop up, they said, oh, we should take the quiz. And they did really well. They took economics at their high school. So they said that helped. I have to say the one daughter said the FSA, HSA question, she said she thinks she got the answer to that one right because of watching YouTube videos. Some people would say, oh, don't look at anything online. But there's good content if you look in the right place.

For many people like us who didn't have financial literacy or maybe rigorous econ classes in high school, what are some of the resources out there that can help you get up to speed on complex personal finance topics that are actually reliable? So we hope, obviously, that you're all reading the Wall Street Journal in our coverage.

But beyond that, a lot of just the brokerage houses, whether it's Schwab or Vanguard, they have really good explainers on their websites. And there's Investopedia. Don't forget your employer. So not like you're going to your HR department necessarily, but whoever the 401k retirement plan is with, which maybe it's Fidelity or Empower,

they often have free advice that you can call up. They'll talk you through things when you have questions. That's Wall Street Journal reporter Ashley Ebling. We're off tomorrow for the Juneteenth holiday, but we'll be back on Friday with a new show. And that's it for your money briefing. We had additional production help from Coleman Standifer. This episode was produced by Ariana Asparu and supervising producer Melanie Roy. I'm Oyan Adedoyan for The Wall Street Journal. Thanks for listening.