WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Darryl Lenox from 2013

Episode Date: April 19, 2023

From February 2013, Marc talks with comedian Darryl Lenox about the struggles he faced throughout his life and how he overcame the challenges in front of him. Darryl died on April 16, 2023. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Daryl Lennox, long time man. I know it's been a long, long time. I think the last time what was in was it Vancouver or Montreal? What was that when we had the standoff on the debaters? That's where we first met. Yeah. And you greased me into comics and oh that's right had a big impact on me did it yes it did you uh that's right you opened for me and that was fun yeah when i met you in canada was it surprised me that uh i mean you were a canadian comic you lived up there didn't you yeah i was american i'm american but i lived there for 11 years, yeah. Well, how the hell did that happen? Why'd you run away, Daryl? What made you leave the States? I married a lady in L.A., and she was from a particular part of the world that doesn't take any horse shit.

Rhymes with misery. And she called me in a bunch of bullshit I deserved it and she threatened to kill me

evening at the improv had me assassinated I mean shot and whatnot and so then

she called all the bookers that I had in my books and told them that

I was a liar and a con man and an asshole and so then I

was like I got no place to go so I had one whoa whoa whoa

back up man hey man listen you that sounds like a fucking rich story listen i've been trying to tell you this story for a long time mark all right so you're just a young comic how old are you man i was 27 at the time and where'd you

move you so you started comedy in seattle in seattle seattle yeah what now why'd you end up in seattle how did you grow up up there? No my father lived in Seattle and I wanted to meet him so I moved from Vegas after I graduated from high school to find him in Seattle. I played a little college basketball up there. Wait so you grew up in Las Vegas? Yeah. I guess we better we better start there because I didn't know anybody grew up in Vegas. Wait so your mom ended up in Vegas? Yeah my my mom. I'm a matriarch. They all moved to Vegas from Arkansas. Yeah.

And my mom had me and my sister in Vegas. And your dad wasn't around? My dad was in the Air Force, went to Vietnam, came back a little crazy. And then he moved to Seattle and became a pimp and a drug dealer. And so my mom chased him up there with me and my two sisters. And then he didn't like them there, So she went back to Vegas with us. And then I went chasing after him when I was 18. How old are you, man? 46. All right. So your old man was in Vietnam. He flew in Vietnam. Yeah. And he came back not in good shape. Right. And then

he just took off. How old were you then? Three. So you had no idea who he was? No. And then he just took off. How old were you then? Three. So you had no idea who he was? No. And then you decided to track him down at what age? I called him when I was 16. I got a basketball scholarship letter. Yeah. And then I called him and he told me that he was living in Seattle and told me that he was a PIMP.

And I said, well, I want to come visit you. So I went and visited him when I was 17. And then when I was 18, I went to go get him for good. Go get him. Go get him, yeah. Now, so you go up there. You're 16. Your dad tells you he's a pimp.

Yeah. Now, is your first reaction like, well, that sounds good? Yeah. Now, is your first reaction like, well, that sounds good? Yeah, I mean, I just learned what nepotism meant, so I thought I might be able to get in on some of that. Maybe he needs an assistant. Maybe it can be Lennox and Sons prostitution. Absolutely. Just to help me deal with girls.

I was so miserable at them, I thought I must need some new tricks or something maybe my old man could help he seems to have this under control so you go up there and what you know what was that environment like i mean you're 17 and uh and and you know you just what was that world like was it chaotic was it scary i mean what was he uh strung out or anything it was very very different compared to being with my mom and at this now four sisters and my grandma. It was a very strong matriarch. And I just hated, hated, hated, hated all the women in my life. And I was real nerdy, dude, even though I was a basketball player. So girls just shit on me at any given chance. And you were great. You were surrounded by women at home. Yeah. And you couldn't get over out in the world right so you figure old man

would help you out so i go there and i'd never seen uh a man have that much control over everybody in the room i mean guys are just sitting there waiting for him to say something and women were just falling over him and and bringing him whatever he wanted and bringing him cash and i'd never seen that before so he was holding. Yeah. And was he happy to see you? He was first weird proud that he had had a son and that I was a pretty good athlete and stuff. But then he realized that I had no man skills. I couldn't do anything. He sent me a big drug deal going on.

He wanted me to get out of the house. He asked if I knew how to drive. Well, I didn't know I knew how to drive. So he gave me a whack of cash. Yeah. And I drove and ran into a bus in Seattle. Smacked the shit out of a bus. Which is not, that's not good news for a pimp drug dealer.

No, no. When they're like, where's your dad at? Exactly. And I'm doing the drug deal. So I had to call him and I'm sitting in the back of the place. You had drugs in the car or you were going to pick up up he was i i don't know where he was at no but you were when you got in the accident you just had cash you're not true no no no just cash i just had a cash just to you know fuck around with yeah and then uh so he came up there and uh cussed me out in front of

the police officers and everybody and told me if you didn't know how to drive why did you say you know how to drive right uh and i just i was a nuisance for him uh i had a met some girl who gave me a stolen calling card and i was too lazy to go call from the phone payphone like she said so i called from his house so now the fbi is calling mr pimp drug dealer saying why is this these phone lines now this call is coming from your uh your house and so And so I was just a nuisance to him. So in Seattle, what neighborhood was that? That was on Beacon Hill. And he was like, was he like running street hookers or was it a phone business?

He was pretty smart, man. So he had them put up in the high-end hotels and with all them knockout drops and all that sort of stuff. And he had some on the streets and he had escort service. He was running Anchorage, Alaska. So he was in the game jesus christ yeah so that's it so where's he now he's back in seattle now he's my biggest fan yeah yeah we are the best of friends he's my biggest fan he's back in seattle where'd he go to jail that's where people go when you do that sort of stuff

caught up with him caught up with him? Caught up with him, man. Yeah. And check this. So listen to this. So at the time, my life was changing, his life was changing. And the divorce

and all that sort of stuff. I was in a hotel doing some triple one-nighters and my wife had told me, this is right after the earthquake in Northridge, right? And she's like,

you know, you're an asshole and da-da-da-da-da. And then- This is his Israeli wife? Yeah, yeah. And she, so she reams me out on the phone. I'm watching TV and then I see my old man,

almost wanted. He was making a run for him from the feds. No. Yeah. Come on. Yeah, dude. He was running from a helicopter? No, he was, they put you on.

Okay, America's most wanted. We're looking for this guy right here. Oh, so they didn't catch him. They caught him eventually, but he was running. Wow. Yeah. yeah so right when his like my life was changing and then i saw he was on i was like oh man we're both going through it yeah so okay so when did you start comedy i started comedy uh october first time i ever got on stage october of uh 88 open mic comedy underground i remember that place good club they. They want you back, by the way. They want me back?

They want you back. But I love that room. I love Ron Reed, and John Fox and I certainly have a history. So you grew up doing, you came in, you came up doing John Fox gigs. Yeah, man. So you had to deal with that insanity. I was young, and so it was all great, man. It was great to see you guys come in.

It was the best comedy community in the country for me to see all the San Francisco guys, L.A. guys, everybody across the country would come and work that club. Everybody loved that club. It was like one of those, it was an organic space. It was in the basement, had the low ceilings. You had the bar upstairs. And you always, it was one of those rooms where people were like,

yeah, it doesn't pay well, but it's fucking great. You'd go and then you'd have to do that other gig sometimes. What was that, Island gig? Was there one? You do the Comedy Underground. Didn't you drive up to do the something parrot or something? It was in a mall. The Elephant and Castle in Bellingham.

Yeah, the Elephant and Castle in Bellingham. That horrible pub in that mall. And that weird, it wasn't a good stage situation. People were sitting behind youllingham. Yeah. That horrible pub in that mall. Yep. And that weird, it wasn't a good stage situation. People were sitting behind you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and then there was another gig

I thought I went to, not in, it wasn't in Bellingham, but I thought I actually had to take a boat to a gig once. Probably over to Bremerton at the local base.

Yeah, the Bremerton. Yeah. It was like, yeah, it was at a weird bar. It was with Tony Kameen. Yeah. And then there was another gig

in, that was part of this run there was the one on the island and and then you'd go to warsaw idaho or not warsaw but moscow moscow idaho oh man whoa and then you come back all you'd be looking forward to was doing the goddamn underground yeah you feel like in one week you paid all the dues necessary but that run to moscow idaho that was like six hours or something, wasn't it? Yeah. Did you do that gig?

Of course I did. Dude, I met a fucking racist fuck. Like some dude sat me down after I did that gig. And he literally had just gotten out of jail, some white guy. And he was trying to tell me like, hey, you're really funny. Let me tell you about this area so he's breaking it down and then somehow or another he brought up jews like you know like he's like you know i you know i hate jews and he's like you're not a jew are you and of course in that moment i said nah hell no i jews the jews

uh but but it was a very white and very weird. Yeah. Yeah. Idaho is scary, right? Coeur d'Alene, Moscow, all that stuff was right over there. Moscow tried to be the hip college part of this thing. Yeah. Right.

Right. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Like that worked. Yeah. But all right. So now you're doing the fucking thing.

Now, when did you start losing the eyes? They've always been really, really bad. But you can still play ball? Yep, still play ball. Just bigger contact than a normal person should have to wear. Yeah. Then I detached a couple of retinas and stuff. But then I lost a sight in the left eye in about 97, I think.

Yeah? Yeah. And then the right one just started to deteriorate. But I got them stable now. Yeah? Yeah. Did you get surgery? Did you get any of the, they fix it from the inside? They could nothing do with the left one

except straighten it out. It'll always be blind. In the right one, I had some cataracts and a corneal scratch on there. They fixed that. Now, was that just a genital or not genital,

a genetic thing or what happened? I'm the only one with bad eyes in the family. I was just born really, really with elongated myopic eyes to an exaggerated sense. And then you can't correct that other than with glasses and it doesn't do anything. So my optic nerves are a little stretched out

and retina's still stretched out because of the way my eye's shaped. And so they just get beat up. So when your dad was in prison, I mean, what was that? How long was he in for? Three different occasions, four years on one, and then a couple more. All together, I think it's been about 11 years. And did you go up there and shoot? No, no, no, no, no, no.

Really? Nah, I don't want to go to prison. I don't even want to visit him. So you never went over? No. Why? Because you were afraid that you might not be able to leave or what? Some stuff I just think you're not supposed to see.

One of them's your dad in prison? Yeah. I mean, dude, I'm delusional. I have pictures in my head that I want to stay the way they are. Right. I love the fact that I have a father and I had a relationship with him, even though he was not the most morally upright guy. But I didn't want to see him in prison.

Yeah, it would have been too heartbreaking? Yeah, I mean, I don't want to change that picture in my head. So now, when did you, okay, so you start doing comedy in Seattle. You're watching the guys come through down there in the underground. I don't know if I remember meeting you. Did I ever meet you back when you were starting out? No, I was a quiet guy. I would just stare back and stare at everybody.

Oh, yeah, in the back of the room there? I would never come up and introduce anybody. I didn't think I had anything to say to anybody, so I just watched and watched and learned and learned. Yes, because I went up there quite a few times, I remember. Yeah. And then, all right, so when did you start actually gigging? Did you do the festival up there?

Did the competition. And did you place all right? The first year, took it brutally hard. And then the next year, I thought I was ready to win. Yeah. And then made the semi. So I made the semi the second time I did it. Those competitions are the fucking worst, man.

And then, like, you know, with John running them, I never knew what the fuck was going on. I did the San Francisco one twice, and just watching those numbers and seeing them post that shit. It's the same thing with that one where they have those judges and you didn't know who the fuck they were and they post those stupid numbers on the wall. And you'd be like, how the fuck did that happen?

What does that number mean? Just a bunch of comics and you're watching guys starting to lose their mind. Oh, the snapsets were the best, aren't they? Oh, dude, I saw Shang fucking lose it. Yeah. Shang was seriously Shangry. At the San Francisco Comedy Company. He just fucking come unraveled.

And then some dudes would just crack under the pressure. Oh, man. Because it was like, I don't know what the Seattle one was, but I think the San Francisco one was like four fucking weeks, man. It was like a month of bullshit. Seattle's the same way. I saw a mime lose it. He was just getting crushed. Because everybody that does it thinks, I'm going to win. I saw a mime lose it. He was just getting crushed because everybody that does it

thinks I'm going to win. Nobody goes in thinking they're not going to win. Right. So a mime came in and just got waxed for six nights in a row. And the seventh night

at the Elephant Castle, there was a beach chair, a lifeguard chair on the gig. And so he climbed on top of the beach chair with the microphone and started talking. We're like,

holy fuck, the mime's talking. So he goes in this long dissertation about how mime is a true art form and comedy. And of course,

he goes long. So he did like 30 and everybody was like, wow. And then he climbs off the mic, he climbs off the beach chair and leaves the mic

on the fucking chair. Way up there. What the fuck was their beach chair doing there? Dude, it was elephant cows. It was a stupid game.

That was the worst thing about the festival is that Fox had all those relationships with all these rooms. Some of them were better than others. And you'd be like, so much depended on it because there was money to be won and there was also gigs to be won. And then you'd have to perform in these fucking horrible things. I'm trying to remember. It started out with like 40 comics, right?

Yeah. The first week was 40 and then the second week it was 20. Yeah. And then the third week it was 10. Yeah. And then the last week it was five. Right. God damn it.

It was hard. God, remember when people used to snap? I wish I would have seen that mime snap. I used to love that shit. We would all wait for it to happen because we knew it was going to happen. Someone was going to go. But you know what? Back then, though, man, I think it was, even though it was weird and sometimes suspect,

it was the only way you could kind of move up or prove yourself. What, to lose it? No, to do well in those competitions, right? Because that was before. You had to get on the map a little bit. You had to get on the map a little bit. And get the fuck out. Yeah.

You know, like with San Francisco, I mean, the first year I came in like 13th or something. And then I did another year and I came in like 13th or something then i did another year and i came in second i was really good at coming in second yeah me too i'm really good at coming to second i came in second in the in the boston but then it just comes down to like weird the weird thing was that i i know on that last set that that alzaraki had me there was no yeah yeah it was just it was his night That's a horrible feeling when you're like, you do your set and you're like,

ah, fuck. Wasn't my night, man. Wasn't my night. Yeah. Oh, Ray James. You know Ray James? I remember him, yeah. Yeah.

Well, he's a writer now, but it was at the San Francisco Comedy Competition. He knew he was finished. And it was outdoors at a winery. There's like 2,000 people in an outdoor theater.

And Ray just comes up. He's like, I don't know. I'm going to try some new stuff. And he pulls out a piece of paper, and he just does this fucking open mic set. And he goes like five or six minutes long. It was beautiful. We were upset about it, but it was beautiful.

It was still funny. Yeah, Hedberg was on that show when he was just Mitch. He wasn't Mitch Hedberg, just Mitch. Yeah. Was he up in Seattle for a while? Yeah, he sure was. Yeah. He lived up there?

Yeah, he did. Yeah, I think I just talked to Lynn about that. Were you guys buddies? Yeah, you know what? He actually came to the apartment and asked some advice, because the agents back then were telling him that he should cut his hair so he'd be more corporate viable. I was like, don't cut your fucking hair, dude. I can't imagine Mitch going like, hey, rocking his head back and forth.

With his rolled up sleeves on his suit. If it's the right thing to do. All right, so when did you start actually working? When did you decide to move down to L.A.? How old were you? I thought I was ready pretty quickly. Like what, two years in? Yeah, two years in. Two years and I was ready pretty quick pretty quickly like what two years in yeah two years in two years and i was ready i got uh i got this man yeah i had it yeah i learned how to do a

call back and i had to get a laugh within first 30 seconds that's all you need is a call back and can you get it laughs per minute formula down but the callback is like the greatest trick in the world audiences think you're a wizard if you just like my God, that's from the joke from before. They love that. They were incredible. And I would do them fast too. I mean, I get the fastest callbacks ever. One joke and call it back right away. Right away. Just weave them in and out. They really are always impressed with that. I don't really do it enough. I don't really plan to do it, but it happens organically sometimes. That's when they're best. Yeah, they think that it's like oh my god he's uh i don't know why it's so impressive it's fun when you

know it's gonna work you know what i mean yeah so all right two years in you moved two years i had to uh la i got an even at the improv right away so that of course made me you know ready so you go down to santa monica improv do your big tv spot. Yeah. Bud's there. Bud's there. Room full of dummies. Yeah, Pat Paulson hosted. Pat Paulson. Pat Paulson. Did he get your name right and shit? Oh, yeah.

So how'd that go for you? It went great. I think the set, I thought, did well. But, man, I was such a jacked up dude in the head back then. I was expecting somebody to come and get me as soon as I got off stage and risked me off. That's right. Here's your mansion. This is the movie you'll be starring in. That's, you know. And here and get me as soon as i got off stage and whisked me off that's right here's your mansion this is the movie you'll be starring in you know and uh here's your choice of women that's what i thought that's what i was ready for and you got handed your ass didn't

you did i ever yeah that first run into la man it's uh well what ended up happening uh it was all to my own doings yeah so i i just thought it was supposed to you know my time i was destined for this thing and then uh and i had man i'm uh how much time did you have like a half hour you're 20 you couldn't headline yet no thought i could but i could stay up there as long as you needed me to so that's what you learned doing those road gigs yes those one-nighters where are you from man yeah trying to sneak in a street joke pretending like you just wrote it yeah yeah that was me yeah i got into big trouble man i uh i wanted it so bad this is all part of my my legacy in seattle it's an ugly one but it bad, dude. I just wanted to make it. And so I read all those self-help books and visualized it and stuff.

And so this is when Greenstein was the biggest agent in the world. And so I wrote him a letter after nothing happened in L.A. and said, from this moment on, I'm going to consider you my agent, and I'm going to act accordingly. So I sent it and acted on the faith and all that sort of nonsense. Did he write you back of course not why would he so you just decided with your positive thinking that's right that you're gonna put this guy in the spot what was his first name i remember that guy was he a

gersh or rick greenstein was at william morris at the time so okay so he yeah nothing huh fired a letter nothing and so but i didn't care because i thought this is all part of the manifestation process so you were delusional i told you that about 15 minutes no i so, but I didn't care because I thought this is all part of the manifestation process. So you were delusional. I told you that about 15 minutes ago. No, I know that, but I didn't realize the degree of it. So you, so. Oh man. So you were still in Seattle when you wrote that letter? This was before you did Evening at the Improv? No, no, this was after Evening at the Improv. And I wrote it. Oh, you went back. No, this is literally after the taping. I hung around LA waiting for somebody to come find me where I was and get me. And so I wrote the letter while I was in L.A. waiting for somebody to come find me where I was and get me.

And so I wrote the letter while I was in L.A. But you wouldn't move down here yet? Not move down here yet. I just came from there. So then I sent the letter off, and then I went back to Seattle, and I thought it was just going to be okay until somebody asked me what happened. And I just said I got Rick Greenstein as an agent. And they were like, what?

So then it went from visualization to a lie. Yeah. And then. but you believed it i believed that it was gonna happen but did you like when you were lying did you know you were lying just was it a waiting game you're like my plan was eventually he's gonna write me back or eventually he would just hear of me and then everything will be right in the long run so it would all fall into place yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah all right so what happened so you go out you start lying in seattle oh yeah yeah and what happened how'd that uh fuck you uh comet commits fraud appeared in the in the newspapers uh but what but just by just saying it no no because then everybody got excited because

i was a young kid that all of a sudden was on even at the improv and had a hot agency william morris and stuff and so then then suddenly i was ready to headline yeah uh and so i just all right so you got all this momentum like the local bookers are like he's he's the hot kid now yeah because greenstein's on board and everything, so they're starting to book you. Yeah. And then who broke that story, Daryl? I broke, well, then I got into too much heat of, I can't keep coming up with this horse shit. So somehow I figured Arsenio Hall would bail me out if I wrote him a letter.

So I wrote him a letter, and he did not respond. What was that letter? Dear Arsenio, I am in serious trouble. I told everybody. Rick Greenstein is my agent. I know your father is a preacher, and I'm standing on this biblical verse, Mark 11, 23. It's about faith. Here's a picture of me playing basketball.

An autograph. Who does this mean? Charles Barkley. Please put me on your show soon. And this is a handwritten letter. 11 23 it's about faith and here's a picture of me playing basketball and autograph who just been your charles barkley please put me on your show soon and this is a handwritten letter put it in the manila envelope the picture no i wasn't a rookie i had stationery dude come on all right all right so you sent that off this was your hail mary this is it man yeah so nothing happened so i told everybody uh yeah i gotta go do our sending on March 15th. Oh, so you went ahead and- Oh, yeah.

Yeah. It was only a matter of time before you got back. Yeah. Oh, you were fucking nuts, dude. It's all in. Yes. Bananas crazy. Yeah.

So I come down here on some miles, and I just sit in an apartment with a friend of mine, and then a phone rings and uh it's a lady named roberta penn let's forget her from seattle times right she says did you say you're gonna be an arsenio yeah you wish william moore's i was like yeah no comment yeah so then that story came out and then i was i was persona non grata in seattle felt so unchained of a bear to myself oh my god so you just like you could no longer go home? No. Now, why do you think that woman, I mean, what drove her to that story?

I mean, why'd she, you know, I always wonder about that. Somebody must have tipped her off to some shit. Yeah, I know who it was. Oh, you do? Yeah. It was a comic friend. A friend? Yeah.

Are you still friends with that guy? We reconciled, yeah. Well, I mean, you kind? Yeah. He was a comics friend. A friend? Yeah. Are you still friends with that guy? We reconciled, yeah. Well, I mean, he kind of had it coming. In the sense that, how did you take that assault? Because on some level, was he doing it out of jealousy or out of friendship? I mean, was he concerned for your sanity and said, let's help this guy out and take him down? Or was he like, he's fucking lying. Fuck that guy. I don't know. You you asked him to speculate on his thought process he speculated

about the future of your fucking career that was mine though i'll tell you what he told me afterwards he said he said after he said we were just young and we both we made mistakes you made that mistake uh by doing that and he goes i made the mistake by doing what I did. So that's what he's doing. And you guys are cool. Yeah. All right, so now you can't go back to Seattle. What, you're sleeping on some friend's couch in Los Angeles? Nope.

I decided this was before foreclosures and whatnot happened. So I just stayed in this apartment until I had a gig in Phoenix at the Last Laugh. Remember that shit club? Sure. You owned a house in Seattle? No. I just pretended like I was. You're going to have to kick me out like I owned it.

That's how I was. I was just renting. And so I was just not going to leave. So you couldn't do stand-up. You didn't have no friends around. Nope. So you just sat there with your delusional self. That's right.

But at that time, once the lie got shattered, did that humble you to the point where did you actually put things into perspective then? Or you just saw it as a little road bump there? Did the delusion continue? Or were you fucking done? No, I had to find somebody to marry me first. So that was the next plan? Yeah, that was the next plan. So you get kicked out of the apartment.

Yeah, I meet a girl in Phoenix. At the last laugh? At the last laugh. You're laugh you're headlining i was middling oh you're middling for who derrick cameron uh-huh yeah oh no i remember that guy yeah yeah all right so you're middling and what happens uh he and i go out i'm just too wrecked to go out at all but he makes me so we go to this nightclub bobby mcgee's and then i see this girl walk by she was just beautiful i didn't know what ethnic ethnic mix she was but she was yeah so uh i pretended like i was shy yeah put some of my old man's moves on her and got her what is that what would that be uh give me some pimp moves maybe i could use them sometime you can't no no it's inherent thing you gotta have it or you don't i can't give you you learned it what do you mean it's an inherent thing it's genetics i learned how to do this from

him but if i tell you to tell you do stuff that he told me to do you would dude i got the iceberg swim book i can go look this shit up go ahead you go right ahead Did you ever think that maybe you could be a pimp? I know I could. I know I could, but... You choose not to? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know who tried to be a pimp? Keith Robinson. He's got the funniest stories about that. Keith Robinson tried to be a pimp?

Uh-huh. Oh, I didn't know that. Well, you got to talk to him about that. I will. I will when I see him. He thought he was... It's very funny. They got the best of him.

He just didn't... he couldn't manage it. He ended up being the hooker's bitch is what he ended up being. Is that right? He didn't quite have the upper hand in the situation is what I recall. But, all right, so you get this girl. So I get the girl. And at the time, she was, I knew she, when I found out she was a single mom, then that really helped me get where I wanted to go with her.

This was it, huh? This was plan B. This was plan B, was that if I had somebody that was legally bound to help me get out of my horse shit, I'd be okay. I know that one. Yeah. Yeah, I did that. Yeah. I married somebody.

That would make me normal. Yeah. That would get me on the level. Mm-hmm. How old was the kid? The kid was five. All right. Yeah. And the old man was nowhere around? The kid was five. All right. And the old man was nowhere around?

No, he was gone. Okay, so you meet her. How long did it take you to get in there? Four months. Four months after we met, we were married. Did you move to Phoenix? I moved to Phoenix. And then we moved to L.A., Sherman Oaks.

And then four months after the marriage it was done so eight months yeah so you met her four months later you married her yep four months later

done uh huh so I guess you're not in touch with that kid anymore you know she you know what actually I reconcile with her

and a little girl too yeah so we're good yeah I made peace with all that stuff alright well let's figure out just how big of an amends that had to be okay I reconcile with her and the little girl, too. Yeah? So we're good. Yeah, I made peace with all that stuff. All right. Well, let's figure out just how big of an amends that had to be.

Okay. So how'd that shit hit the fan? I told her 98% of the truth, but she's very fancy and very, very, very good looking. But she was Israeli? She was. Her parents were Israeliraeli jews jewish girl yeah yeah so you got an israeli jew yeah that is the hardest most aggressive type of jew uh-huh but not in a mental sense but in a physically daunting tough strong you know could

kick your ass probably she was she threw some good rights at me she hit me a couple good times oh you did that whole thing oh yeah so when did it start to go bad so you get married would you rent a house no we had an apartment over in sherman oaks yeah yeah and so we got an apartment and then uh the only thing i didn't tell her was i told her all the shit i did in seattle and my upbringing stuff but i did tell her that i had rickstein as an agent. You kept that one going. Had to keep that one going, I thought. Because I knew if I was in L.A., I would eventually run into him, and then he'd see me work with my 27 minutes, and then that would be it.

So you still held on to this Rick Greenstein thing. A little bit, yep, held on a little too long. Have you talked to Rick about this? Yeah, I did, actually. Yes, I did. Where, in Montreal or something? You know exactly it was at Montreal. Uh-huh.

Yeah. And how'd that conversation go? I heard Carlos Mencia go, hey, Greenstein. And I go, oh, you're Greenstein? He goes, yeah. I go, I got a story for you. And he goes. He had no idea who you were.

No idea. Yeah. He goes, does it involve me? I go, of course it does. I wouldn't say it if it didn't. He goes, all right. He goes, I'll find you later. So he meets me at the bar where everybody congregates at so he goes oh let's hear the story

so i told him i wrote this letter and then i saw his face kind of blant in his mouth he goes i remember that letter he did yeah he said i remember that letter i go yeah you didn't do anything about it he goes oh so i told him you know it was a turn of point disaster blah blah and he goes uh well how'd it go now i go i'm here now so i'm doing good he's huge he's a huge booking agent he's a nice guy i've known him for a million years come from uh great neck like his family's from great neck i met with him when i was actually looking for for agents i think he does he does chapelle he does a lot of people big guys yeah but he's been around for a long time i remember him when he was a kid it's weird when you're in this business and you keep seeing the dudes around yeah and uh and then finally it's like oh fuck yeah of course you know wow all right so so he

remembered the letter yeah and you told him the whole fucking thing the whole thing did he laugh he it wasn't a real laugh it was it was a laugh with the eyes wide open like keep your eyes on that guy laugh oh really yeah how recently was this this was the eyes wide open like keep your eyes on that guy laugh oh really yeah how recently was this this was the first time in montreal so that was 98 man oh my god all right so okay let's go back to the story so you kept the rick greenstein lie alive for your new bride and her daughter because you want to make sure that she thinks you're going to bring some shit in exactly right yeah and and then what what when does the first turn of the screw when did it start to go bad for daryl lennox in this situation uh it wasn't bad it just turned out that way but one day

her brother was in town visiting from israel from new mexico oh really she was telling her brother was trying to do some acting and so jill was telling how hard it is and you know daryl has one of the big agents and i mean things just you know are just really slow yeah and so then i could see her face change and she goes can i talk to you in a bedroom place so we go into the room she goes because you don't have an agent do you i was like no no yeah so she figured it out yeah so i thought i thought that was the last hurdle that would be okay because once all the was out out, I could really relax. Get honest. Put it on the table there, yeah.

And do it. Too much damage for her. Too much damage. But where's the drama? When does the drama start? She just said, I don't respect you. I don't love you. You're just a liar and stuff.

So I tried to fight for her for a while. And then we went away to Christmas for New Year's Eve, Christmas and New Year's Eve. And I was back in Phoenix. And then the earthquake hit and the earthquake hit. I was doing my own amends anyway. And so I made a phone call to an ex-girlfriend to apologize to her and all the other ones. And what's this got to do with the earthquake? Well, in a second, the earthquake hit.

all the other ones and what's this got to do with the earthquake well in a second the earthquake hit and so she went through the old phone the phone bill and saw that i made a phone call to this ex-girlfriend and she assumed that i was calling this girl to try to hook something up and so she said why'd you call that girl i said i was apologizing because i don't believe you you're a fucking liar you don't have a place to come home to and that was it and this was it so you were kicked out of your sherman oaks apartment kicked out of sherman oaks apartment from the road and then i came back to tell my second evening at the improv and uh she said come over i was across standing at her friend's place across the street her friend's house my friend okay and she said come over and figure out this phone bill because you're gonna pay it so i go over there and she's telling

me i'm in love with somebody else now and and i said good and then i wouldn't react to her and so she threw some scissors at my head and then started punching me and i was like i'm just leaving she goes i'm gonna kill you tonight so she told everybody that she's gonna kill me and did uh so that didn't happen no didn't happen you left and she was gonna come kill you she was gonna have somebody kill me at the evening at the improv. Really? Yeah. She said she's got friends?

You're going to die tonight. They're going to kill you at the evening at the improv. So that must have been a hell of a set. There's a lot in the balance there. It was going to be your last set. One of the best ones I've done. Of course, you know, Bud and all those guys over there like, Oh, Darryl, this is a big game.

This is it for you tonight, huh? So they were making jokes about it. But, you know, I i just did the set so you were in with bud by then i mean like everything was cool no i mean i'd only met him two times but you told him you were going to be assassinated no she called the damn club and told everybody she's gonna come oh shit you know so they came up to you before and said we got a phone call yeah yeah. And you know my manager at the time was Jack Mondris. Remember that fucker? Jack Mondris. Jack Mondris.

Bill Hicks' manager. Yeah, yeah. I remember that guy. Jack Mondris was my manager. He dumped me that night before the show. When he heard that shit? Yeah, yeah. This is too much for me.

I can't deal with it. What happened to him? I don't know. All right, so now we're talking, Darryl. I mean, it seems like this wall, this bottom you hit, I mean, that's what, what are we looking at, 1992? 1993. 1993.

Yeah. You were thrown out of Seattle, and then. Ran out of Seattle in 92, married to Jill in 93, and then. And then Jack Madras fired you yep this is so that was all january of 94 and bud probably was not that comfortable with the situation but he probably thought it was funny yeah they all did yeah and then uh so so what happens then because i met you and fucking like what the fuck have you been doing that's how I got to Canada. I had no place to go, so that's where I went. And then I started all over.

And what I did was, it was very therapeutic. So it's a great piece of advice Jill gave me. And I took it. She said, you know, you need to grow up. Everything you do is a lie, and you're half a man, and you need to get to the bottom of your shit. So I did. So I called everybody I'd hurt and hadn't been hurt by

and apologized. And then called my mom. just i went through everybody just crying in a phone booth in seattle sobbing crying crying after i left la i went to seattle with a bag of quarters or a stolen credit just a legitimate credit card legitimate credit card. You asshole. Aaron. So that was it. And then I called one club and they said, you know, come on up. They have Vancouver. You got one week to work here. So I did. And the guy let me stay there.

And that was it? Did you get citizenship? Nope. You just moved in? I just moved and stayed there in the basement of this guy's club. Which club was that? It was the Comedy Cave in Surrey, B.C. I just moved and stayed there in the basement of this guy's club. Which club was that? It was the Comedy Cave in Surrey, B.C. I doubt you did it. No, I've only been up there for the festival.

Canada is relatively new to me outside of Montreal. I've done a lot of work up there since. And that's how you became sort of a Canadian comic. I got to start every single day, Mark. I was new. I didn't have to lie to anybody or hustle to anybody. I just started my whole life over. And I apologized and everybody was going to be mad at me. But that was new. I didn't have to lie to anybody or hustle to anybody. I just started my whole life over. I'd apologize and everybody was going to be mad at me, but that was it.

What were the hardest apologies for you? There's this kid whose name I'm not going to say, but I took some money from him that I shouldn't have with no full intention of giving it back. That was really hard. Comedian? Yeah, not anymore. Yeah. That was really hard because comedian yeah not anymore yeah uh that was really hard did you give him his money back he wouldn't take it he wouldn't take it yeah so that was

probably the hardest one yeah yeah your relationship with your mother was that strained or was that you know she didn't know what was going on right she understood it yeah she understood she said you know i understand what you're trying to do, but don't be a martyr. You made mistakes. Yeah. And she said, I did the best I could. Yeah. You know what I mean?

What do you want me to do? I did the best I could. Right. Yeah. Oh, that's nice. That's pretty practical advice. Now get on with it, basically. Yeah, that was it.

How many sisters do you have? Four. No brothers? No brothers. Are you in touch with them all? Yeah, we're all very close. Yeah? Yeah.

Well, are they still in Vegas? One's in North Carolina. The rest are in Vegas. I'm going to North Carolina in a couple weeks. I know. Good nights. Yeah. You down there?

You work down there? I've been trying to get in that club for years. I think with the special, hopefully it'll help me. In the special, when did you tape it? October 2nd, 2010. Yeah? You happy with it? I'm very happy with it, man.

Yeah? It's what? It's on Showtime? Stars. Stars! Yeah. That's good. Yeah, it is.

That's that dude over there, Chris Albrecht's over there from HBO. Yeah. Have they been doing a lot of specials? You're one of the only ones? Only one. Really? Yeah. That's exciting, man.

That's very cool. All right. So you go to Canada. Now, I have to assume that a black man in Canada doing stand-up, they're like, great, we have one. Let's get this guy working. That was on most of the promos they had. We finally got one, Canada. What?

There must have been a little truth to that. Yeah. Yeah. And did you do, what'd you do? The Breslin shit? Yeah. It took a while to get into Breslin stuff, but I did just crazy, weird, horrible independent stuff.

In like Saskatchewan? Saskatchewan and Northern. Everything Northern. Everything Northern. What was the experience there? You're like an American dude. Yep. You're a black dude. Yep.

And you're going into the whitest part of the world in a way. And none of the white tricks work. No? No. Which means what? What are the white tricks? So, you know, as a brother, they try to give you some sympathy, courtesy, you know, because you're black laugh stuff.

You can say anything as a black comic American. You can get them to laugh about just about anything with a little hint of racial. Right. A little, like, a little juice. Right. Yeah. White people, this. Yeah, yeah.

Anything. And they'll laugh. But that's not your bag. That's not my bag. They just don't do that in Canada. It's a different culture. Right. that's not my bag yeah they just they just don't do that in canada it's a different culture right so i had to learn how to talk about what was in the moment and and not having any race base behind

it because there's not that history of guilt right like you know the the i imagine white audiences by and large the reason why they get relief from that is they're carrying this weird burden of their own repressed maybe maybe not so repressed racism. So they got to fucking, you know, they want that alleviated. Right. They want to be spoken to. Right. They want to be tapped on the wrist a bit.

I guess. I guess. But in Canada, there's none of that baggage. There's none of that. So it wouldn't, none of the jokes would make any sense. And so my Dan Quayle jokes didn't, nothing flew. So I just turn all over, man. Going to the deep south and they eat everything in the south.

Yeah. Tastes like chicken. They would just stare at me up there with that stuff. Nothing. Got no point of reference. Nothing. So that's weird. So you had to sort of define your sensibility without the cultural baggage of uh of that american black thing yeah worked out

though huh yeah i learned how to do it the right way i think yeah and how long did you like knock around up there um when did you come back here dude i got kicked out in 2005 oh because of uh paperwork stuff yeah they're they're a little tough about that what you you had over over stage your welcome they changed the paperwork laws so you didn't you didn't have to have work permits uh that changed in about 2003 but nobody knew how to do that right so uh they told me i was working there illegally and uh kicked me out and where'd you go um here to la for a little while and then i moved to New York. So you came back here just to give it another shot?

Yeah. What happened that time? I was confident in my skills then. I was confident in my skills, and so I'd done the Montreal Festival, so Bud started to give me some spots. Down at Melrose? Melrose, yeah. And then it just it wasn't

enough i met my i met my girl man and so she came out here i met her right yeah yeah yeah and so i asked her where would she be more comfortable living in new york or la she said new york is closer to her family her friends there i go all right let's go to new york now you married yeah four years now you got kids no kids do that? I don't think so. Really? She ain't busting your balls about it? No, she's just as ambitious in her career thing as I am. She's a singer-songwriter.

Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, the kid thing's a little tricky. That's worrisome for you, isn't it? I've been married twice. I'm almost 50. Yeah. And now I'm with a girl that wants him.

I'm on the hot seat, buddy buddy a lot of things going on you guys don't want me to be too old yeah if we're going to do that yeah yeah it's a little problematic right now so when in new york so you what you're basically touring headliner and in new york you work, which clubs are you primarily doing there? When I do decide to go out, I always go. Hannibal's joint, and then stand-up's always been pretty good. Hannibal's out in Brooklyn? Yeah. Yeah, you guys buddies? Yeah. He's a good cat.

He's a good dude. He seems to be blowing up a little bit. Why does he take you with him? Why does he take you with him? I don't know what you mean, why does he take me with him? I wouldn't go anywhere. I want to do it myself oh okay all right i don't know sometimes it's a good gig do you understand that yeah dude i do i

i would do the exact same thing you do listen i've been listening calling you forever dude i'm a fucking headliner forever i'm not gonna go open for some punk do you understand what you did with this is that you gave all the guys who wanted to do it in the quote unquote the right way uh a viable option you feel the dreams dude for us really yeah i'm not kidding man there's a bunch of guys that we all thought this is how you're supposed to do it you know you work the craft and you work on your game you do all these sorts of things and then after a while they change the rules yeah and and you don't know what to do you're just walking around with skills and talent and you don't know what to do and they're offering you fifteen hundred dollars for a week yeah and you know so when you did this man everybody yes

yeah yeah when you made the podcast happen then we all thought okay all right now there actually is a an out closet is thing so i fucking hope i helped that's very nice to hear well you know it's like it was weird because the intentions of it you know i didn't have any clarity around why i was doing it other than like you know i wasn't i wasn't just going to fade away right and then you know when i started to realize that there were a lot of guys like me and you and a lot of unsung heroes out there, and when I started talking to them, it almost became a way for comics to catch up with each other. They'll listen to this show and like, yeah, I hadn't seen him in like 20 years, and hey, I guess he's doing all right. I heard him on your show. We don't get

to see each other or talk to each other, but when I talk to people and people listen to it, it feels like we're all talking, you know. And it's just that kind of communication. I had no idea it would do anything for my stand-up. I just needed to keep talking. So, in working towards a special, I mean, you're talking like, you know, a good 20 years of shit. Yeah. Working towards a special, I mean, you're talking like, you know, a good 20 years of shit. Yeah.

And, you know, what do you primarily, well, you don't have to do any bits, but how did the whole thing evolve for you, your comedy style? I mean, if you're going from Dan Quevle jokes to doing Canadian material, you know, what's the surgeries, and there was one particular moment in the surgery where the ophthalmologist had to use a needle and thread to sew an implant in my eye. Oh, God. And it was a lot of pressure leading up to it, and I had convinced myself that I only had one eye, and it was really going bad. And I was very frustrated with the way the business was turning turning and I just didn't feel like I had enough strength and my stepdad had passed away too and it looked like a pretty goddamn good way he didn't look he didn't look stressed or frustrated or any of that stuff anymore and I thought that doesn't look as bad as everybody that says it does what the dying the dying yeah just didn't yeah and so I convinced myself that the surgery, which was risky, didn't work out, then I would check out.

Yeah. So I decided to go to Vancouver, the place I was most happy at that, and do the surgery. And if it didn't work out, then I was going to be fine with it. You were just going to end it. Yeah. Yeah, I know that feeling. That's where I was when I started the podcast. Okay, well.

Because that's the fucked up thing about what we do is that especially if you're proud yeah in is that you know you get to a certain point where and you took some serious hits you know you'd be exiled from a community because of your bullshit and you know and you made a lot of you know detours and bad choices and you make up for all that but still you know you got 20 years 25 years in this thing and you start to think well what the fuck am I gonna do and then you start to picture those options and you're like I ain't fucking doing that right how do I go to a job what are you gonna be the guy that's like yeah I was on evening at the Improv all right how do you live with that it's a personal

shame I mean most other human beings you know what they got to change your career all right they'll fucking'll fucking bite the bullet. But there's something about not having kids, not having baggage, being your own guy, that when you're up against that wall, all you're dealing with is you and your fucking pride. That's the equation. It's you versus your pride. And then you have that moment where you're like, you know, I feel so good just to think I can just check out. But I wonder, you know, and I wondered this about myself too. I wondered about you.

I mean, would you ever really do that? I mean, I don't know that, like, you know, it's a very dramatic and if your brain works that way, it works that way. And you find some relief in that, that, you know, like I could just, you know, kill myself. You know, it's a relieving thought. You know what I mean? But I don't know if it came right down to it.

I mean, fortunately, you know, I mean? But I don't know if it came right down to it. I mean, fortunately, you know, things turned around for us, but I mean, do you really, I mean, it's a, it's a good thing to say, but do you really think you would have done it? Um, you know what? Uh, I obviously, I look back at it now and say, no, I wouldn't have, but at the time it was so scary. then i was the frustration levels were so high and the thing that i had always thought could get me through was my belief in myself and my skills but when those weren't answering the bell right right right it's like you know i'm ready where you know put you know put me in the game coach what do you well i mean for you i don't know what else there is to do now yeah i just don't know what else to do now.

Playing balls out. And so now if you decide to take away this one extra eye, and now I'm totally blind, and I have skills that nobody seems to think are worth anything, and I'm never going to see this person that I'm in love with again, and I got to depend on every single fucking person in my life to get me around i just don't think i could live like that so i didn't think that i could so if if if the enormity that i was feeling at that time if i had that light had went out when he was working on my eye

and he told me this is never gonna happen again i really don't think i could have did it man i just don't yeah i've overcome too much i don't think i didn have did it, man. I just don't. I've overcome too much. I didn't think I was strong enough to do that. To be blind and unemployable. Yeah. I get it. I definitely was not there. But I can understand it.

And so what turned it around? You didn't lose your eye. Nope. The guy working that hard. I mean, it's supposed to be a 10-minute procedure. Yeah. He had to not use the laser beam, use the needle and thread. And he was grunting.

He was working so hard. And he told me that this is just going to hurt and I'm sorry. And it became a catchphrase for me unintentionally. What, this is just going to hurt and I'm sorry? That's what he said. This is just going to hurt and I'm sorry. I mean, it was hurting too. What, this is just going to hurt and I'm sorry? That's what he said. This is just going to hurt and I'm sorry. I mean, it was hurting too. He wasn't lying to me.

So you were not under full anesthetic? Well, he asked if I wanted to be unconscious and I said no because I just wanted to see. I didn't want to wake up and never see anything for the rest of my life. So if you were going to lose it, you wanted to see to the very end. I wanted to see that light go out. Oh, my God. So he had your eye open? Open, and he just stitched one, purled two,

and I'm staring up into that light and listening to him grunt. He took a break, and then I came back and got back in there, and then he was done. And then I sat up, and I looked now, and I could see my fucking shoelaces. I'd never seen anything that clear in my life. And it just blew me away. And then I realized that I hadn't done anything. I hadn't done anything that would even warrant killing myself.

I mean, I'm not even in the game yet. And so I said, have I worked as hard on my life and my career the way that guy just did on my eye? And I said, no. So then that was it. And I went back and let go of Lou, manager, and I stopped chasing Letterman. I'm like, I'm going to do this by myself. I'm going to work on this thing as hard as I can by myself. Then everything changed. I got different management. I wanted to tell that story on stage. We put everything

together and got the funding for the thing from some friends and that was it blind ambition wow who would have known that shoelaces would have that kind of impact in that moment so this is actually the the show is a themed show it's a one-hour piece yeah more than just stand-up right a themed show it's a one hour piece yeah more than just stand up right it's a it's a movement through this uh this journey yeah wow man well i'm glad it worked out me too so now in terms of uh you know is any part of your life um you know because this is one of those things it's one of those type performances, one of those type of specials that have a great deal of impact on people struggling with similar struggles.

And, you know, I know that it's just sort of interesting to me that for somebody who put a lot of stock in the type of leadership that people who do positive thinking and do motivational type of stuff, that was part of your earlier life. Are you finding that when you do shows that it's having that type of effect on people? Yeah. Dude, you ask good questions um it's the first time that i ever felt like this is what i was supposed to be doing oh that's so great to have people come up you know san francisco's at cobs and uh this guy comes up to me in a wheelchair and he says uh that stuff you talk about suicide he goes i think about it every day i go how long he goes i've been in a wheelchair He goes, I think about it every day. I go, how long? He goes, I've been in a wheelchair for seven years.

I think about it every single day. And he goes, to hear you talk about it to what you did, it just gives him some hope. And that's better than Dan Quayle and chicken moose butt jerky stuff. I mean, it's like what somebody's been doing for 22 fucking years. It's supposed to have the impact on it, right?

My life is supposed to have some impact. Something relevant. Yeah. That your experience as a shared experience can make other people feel less alone and feel like there's hope. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, shit. Yeah, I mean, it's different than just being an entertainer. So you're getting a little bit of that kind of feedback.

Yeah, getting a lot of that stuff, man. It's good. Is there a community? Are you active in any sort of community around this stuff? You know, I'm part of this third world eye care society. What is that? Where, you know, a bunch of third world people don't have eyeglasses and contact lenses. So if you got some old eyeglasses, you bring them to me and we'll ship them out to third world people don't have eyeglasses and contact lenses so if you got some old eyeglasses you bring them to me

and we'll ship them out to third world places. Well I mean that's fucking moving shit man. And you getting feedback? Getting good feedback. CD is good man. Yeah?

Got one of the top five albums of the year man. Thank you brother. I'm fucking proud of you man. We almost lost you. we almost lost you we almost we almost lost daryl by his own hand thank god for those shoelaces being clear we would have been denied the journey and everything's good with the with the with the lady yes uh of course uh because uh my faux attempt to be uh setting you up on a love

connection i've gotten asked repeatedly what happened on that date that i set you up on i don't know what happened i think that um you know i i mean i don't think i was ready to to be doing the the dating thing yeah number one i was a little confused by i wasn't confused but it was sort of like like i think it was sort of like, like, I think it was one of those decisions where it's like, I know that I can't, you know, really follow through with this thing. So am I just going to, you know, sleep with Daryl's friend and then have that thing? Which was the end result. That's all she wanted anyway.

She was so mesmerized by your ass on stage. She was like, I want him. I blew it. You know, sometimes you just, no she was she was great i mean she was she was nice a little kooky but yeah yeah yeah but uh but yeah yeah just uh i just hit a wall with some shit and i'm trying to think if there was other extenuating extent extenuating circumstances that maybe would have stopped me from doing that you know like i don't know who if i was dating somebody or i wasn't but i know that time period you know for those few years after the divorce or after the separation it was

just a fucking i was i was not uh in the right state but all right so yeah i should have fucked her yeah sure you had a freebie man that was 07 where were you at you were doing all the divorce stuff on stage in 07 yeah that was real appealing awesome dude yeah yeah yeah i had to put that to put that to rest you know you keep doing that for too many years people are like isn't he over this i mean how long does this go on for i mean he's gonna have to let some of this go you were missing clues though good looking chicks were bringing you cookies after you unearthed your soul on stage all the time yeah well i always do that and i get a lot of cookies yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean things started to all that hate kind of, you know, that bitterness, that anger, boy. You know, when your heart gets hard, boy, you're just going to have to, I mean, I imagine that's a similar thing, you know, when you were making those amends.

It's like, you know, you got a certain choice in your life. Am I going to hold on to this shit? Right. But that's a real choice, or am I going to let the grief start? Am I going to live my life every day just mad and not work on it i'm just gonna walk around be mad yeah i just don't want to live like that yeah you know those guys it doesn't you know and then it's not mad about eventually it's not mad about one thing it's just mad yeah and then they lose sight of what whatever the hell it was

it broke their fucking heart yeah you know and they never look at it quite that way. No. They always look at people, it's always a broken heart, one way or the other. But you can turn that into like, I got fucked. They fucked me.

It's like, no, you got your heart broken. Yeah. Like every fucking person does. And either you're going to cry about it and let it go, or you're going to take it out on the world. Exactly. Yeah.

Well, I think we did all right. Yeah, we did all right. Thanks, Daryl. Hey, man. Thank you very much, Mark. Bye.