WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1025 - Perry Farrell

Episode Date: June 6, 2019

Perry Farrell is the creative force behind Jane’s Addiction, Porno for Pyros, and the Lollapalooza festival, but while talking with Marc, it’s clear a lot of Perry's focus these days is on being a dad. Perry sees the parallels in how he was angry at his family as a teenager and how his relationship with his own teenage son is evolving. Also, Perry’s wife, Etty Lau Farrell, gets on the mic with him to talk about their collaborative project Kind Heaven, which is an album, a community event and, they hope, much more. This episode is sponsored by Baskets on FX, Turo, Allbirds, and the ZipRecruiter Job Search app. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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as I'm saying this, so let's pretend like I am. I did record it yesterday, but I'm here in Vermont today. If everything went as planned, I should be waking up in Vermont and you're waking up wherever you are or you're at work already. Whatever the case, that's what's happening. I actually am not really in Vermont. I'm at home recording this the morning before, yesterday morning. Perry Farrell's on the show today from Jane's Addiction and from Porno for Pyros and from Perry Farrell-ism. Perry Farrell's here today. He's got a lot going on.

I'm not exactly sure what it is, but he's got a lot going on. Well, he does have his first solo album in 18 years, Kind Heaven. That's available tomorrow, June 7th. It's a good record. It's a Perry Farrell record. That's what he's got going on. But that isn't all, folks. That is not all.

There's a lot going on around Perry Farrell and inside Perry Farrell. And you will get a sense of that shortly. So, information. I have information. Hold on. I'm going to tell you. Here's some information that you've been waiting for. Toronto.

Toronto. I will be part of the Just for Laughs 42 in Toronto. I will be part of the Just for Laughs 42 in Toronto. I will be performing in Toronto on September 19th. I'll be at JFL 42 in Toronto, Canada. happening today they have a pre-sale today thursday june 6th it started at 10 a.m i don't know when you're listening to this and it goes uh till the until friday uh at 10 a.m and uh you can go to the link on my site or you can go to jfl42.com the password the password is 42 comics for that pre-sale all right there you go toronto september 19th for the jfl festival i have some other information on my phone okay here we go this is direct from the director i have been told that the film i made with lynn shelton called sort of Trust is going to be screening in Dallas, Texas on June 9th at the Oak Cliff Film Festival and on June 14th and June 16th at the Provincetown Film Festival in Provincetown, Massachusetts. Okay. So that's exciting. All right. Those will be happening.

And I'm in Vermont tonight in Burlington. I'm here already, we're hoping. Those shows are sold out. And hopefully by the time you're hearing this, I've downloaded the Turo app and I'm driving someone else's car. got some serious shit to talk to you about i wanted to uh to actually yeah this is important i want to let you know this because it's a you know it's important it's important for podcasters and it's important for creative people of all kinds if you listen to the 1000th episode or if you've been a listener going back you know like five or six years you probably heard me talk a lot about the patent troll that was terrorizing us. It was a big deal. It was a horrendous time. This guy tried to shake down podcasters, big and small, for licensing fees, and he basically would have put us all out of business if he had pulled off his scheme. So we got the Electronic Frontier Foundation, the EFF involved, and they challenged the podcasting patent in the patent office and in the courts.

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Won't help anyone. Except these shakedown artists. Alright. These thugs. Internet thugs. That's EFF.org slash wtf patents all right we can't we can't let this happen again so let's hold the line on this people can we thank you it's important man it's just it's it's predatory it's bullshit anyways i can obsess about that so look i don't know how

your brain works i want to thank everybody for the emails you know i wasn't looking for any sort of sympathy or or you know i i was i just wanted you to know what was up so you aren't no you weren't sitting there thinking like oh mark's tone sounds a little weird or whatever. So that's that. And because I have a lot going on emotionally, I choose to, I don't know, when the world gets too big to handle, make it small. So I've been obsessing about the ice maker in my refrigerator. I don't know what you've been focusing on. God knows there are bigger problems.

Thank God I'm healthy. I'm grateful for my success in life and in the world. I try to feel that. But what I'm realizing is, even if everything's going okay for you, if you have something in your heart, if there is a nagging sadness, sitting with that is hard. Not to make it kind of turn into something else.

How do I make these feelings of grief or maybe completely appropriate sad feelings into, why not just kind of mold that a little bit into self-pity? Or why not mold it into self-righteousness or why not just kind of, you know, kind of twist it into anger and push it out into the world. I don't know about you, man, but I'd rather be angry than sad. And they, you know, they come from this, they come from the same place, I think, the well, you know, this they they come from the same place i think the well you know the uh the fear well whatever that well is if i can just twist sadness into anger it's a lot more relieving for me but then you just put more anger out into the world and you're causing more bad vibes so feel the sadness move through it and if you're going to get angry, make it at an inanimate object.

I personally have been, as I said, really dealing with the ice machine. Is it necessary? No. Did I pay a lot of money to fix the ice machine in the refrigerator that came with this house? I did. Is it working now? No, it's not. Did I call the people that were supposed to fix it completely after I paid them money to fix it? I did. Did they tell me it's not their problem anymore that I paid them money to fix it. I did.

Did they tell me it's not their problem anymore that I need to call a plumber? They did. Isn't it still kind of their problem? Do I sense that maybe the reason they don't want to fix it is because this giant refrigerator doesn't have wheels and it would be a real pain in the ass to pull out and then figure out what's going on in terms of how much water the ice machine is supposed to be getting and what it seems to be getting, even though it was getting the right amount of water before the ice machine broke. Is it still their issue? Theoretically, in my mind, it is. Am I sort of at a standstill with

this? I am. Do I have to call the plumber? I do. Is there a way that we're going to be able to move that fucking refrigerator? Don't know. I'm sure there's a way, but then it goes from there. Like, you know, why me? Why, why me? Why has this got to happen to me? The thing was working. And then we tried two ways to fix it. We replaced it. We put in a new valve, still not working. How come that does that happen to everybody? Why am I the guy sitting here with no, nowhere to go, but the plumber when the guy supposed to fix the fridge? See now, like these are luxury problems. Is it worthy of taking up most of my brain? No. Should I just let it go and deal with it one day at a time and not even

bother you guys with it? I should. Is it filling in for some other sadness and other feelings? It is. Is that okay? Sure. Is it better than getting mad at people for no reason? Yes. Should I let it go though and use my brain creatively and just accept that i'll get it fixed when i fix it i should uh st louis next week i told you about toronto there's a lot of other dates at wtfpod.com slash tour so perry farrell um yeah you know people come up and i'm like yeah sure i'll talk to him and it was a it was kind of a wild ride this perry farrell this perry farrell situ this perry farrell situation god damn my fucking brain oh my god so Perry has got a new record out

it's actually his first solo album in 18 years it's called Kind Heaven it is available tomorrow June 7th get it wherever you get music and this is me and Perry so strap in I had to so now you gotta okay this is me and Perry. So strap in. I had to, so now you got it.

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Zensurance, mind your business. Where'd you come in from? We live out in Santa Monica Canyon, very close to a forest, right off the beach. Yeah? Right off the beach there. Have you always lived there? How long have you lived there? Oh, I would say maybe 10 years.

Yeah? Yeah. Nice. Well, for me, I can't beat it because I like to walk around outside. Yeah. I like to go down to the beach. I like to be in forests. Yeah. So I get to walk my dogs or myself.

Just out and around? All over the place. Yeah. Yeah. I need a nice environment. Yeah. And how close is the closest neighbor? The neighbors are not far apart from me.

Yeah. But you see, there's an underwater river. Yeah. Not a lot of people know this about that area, but there's an underwater river and it was a forest. And it was the first Los Angeles forestry used to be located right in that area. Yeah. And they would do these experiments bringing trees from all over to see if they could grow. Here?

Yeah, here in that area. Yeah. So you've got redwoods and pines and crazy. So now the experiment has taken full full bloom and you've got a bunch of odd trees there. Yeah. It's nice. Yeah, I love big trees.

But you didn't, like, you come, where do you come from? I was born on the East Coast. Where? So my family's out of Bensonhurst. Yeah, in Brooklyn.

Yes. And you grew up there? No, my father grew up there and my mother grew up there and my grandparents lived there. Yeah. And you grew up there? No, my father grew up there and my mother grew up there and my grandparents lived there. Yeah. And then my father bought a home in Queens, Flushing.

Oh yeah. I lived in Queens for a few years. You did? Yeah, in Astoria. Flushing, sure. Flushing. So we were near the World's Fair. Whenever I see the big globe yeah when i come back to

new york it's like i remember i start seeing that and then i was born in jamaica hospital so i see my hospital right on the drive-in and i always point it out and tell people that's where i was born is that wild yeah i like that yeah it's kind of neat wow, it actually happened because I'm standing here, but I have no knowledge of it. Yeah. But the action was right there. In that place. I could pull over, get off the freeway, get in there and start asking some questions. Sure.

But I don't know what that would get me. Yeah, which room was I born in? Yeah, can I see my records? You could probably see your records. They might tell me what room I was born in, right? Of course, yeah, maybe. They would? Yeah. Can I see my records? You can probably see your records. They might tell me what room I was born in, right? Of course. Yeah, maybe. They would?

Yeah. Maybe it's still there, that room, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a pretty old hospital. They might have added on some things. I wouldn't mind getting a plaque. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

There's a Perry Farrell, and they'd have to put your real name in parentheses. Peretz Berensstrasen. Peretz Berensstrasen. Berens Peretz Bernstein, Bernstrasen, Peretz Bernstrasen. Bernstrasen? Bernstrasen. Peretz? What was the English translation? Perry Bernstein. You're a Bernstein.

Yep. From a long line of Bernsteins. Yep. Do you have brothers and sisters? I do. Yeah? I have. Are they still Bernsteins?

Farrell, my big brother, is still. Uh-huh. And then I took my name, Perry Farrell, from my big brother, Farrell. That's his first name? His first name's Farrell Bernstein. Favle. Favle Bernstein? Yeah.

How Jewish were you? I'm as Jewish as I was right now, man. What does that mean? I mean, you're growing up in Flushing. You're from the Bernsteins of Brooklyn. Yeah, we don't fuck around. Yeah. Was it religious?

You know, the grandparents, for sure. So I don't know an awful, awful lot. About? so my i i don't know an awful awful lot you know so about about um i will just tell you in general what i know about the jewish people in 1940 1930 yeah they were sticking together sure you know and they were in this country and they had these clubs they were uh you know clubs that you know the type of person you were they had a club for that the italians had a club jewish club yeah yeah and there was jewish clubs and my dad loved to dance yeah that's what they like the young guys the zoot suiters my dad was a zoot oh yeah he liked the big band he liked the big band. Big band sound. He always would boast he was a really good dancer.

Sure. Is he still around? No. What about your mom? So my mom was an artist, and they fell in love right at the war. My father went off and served in World War II on the island of Hawaii, on Oahu. He was stationed, and my mom went to work for a parachute. War II on the island of Hawaii, on Oahu. He was stationed.

And my mom went to work for a parachute company that made parachutes on the East Coast. For the war effort. For the war effort. And then what she did was she would bring home the fabrics that were cut onto the floor. Oh, wow. And she would make dresses. Really? Out of parachute fabric? Amongst other things, yeah.

Ahead of the curve. She made her wedding dress out of parachute. Really? Yeah, it's beautiful too. You still have it? I have a picture. Oh, wow. Yeah, I don't have it.

Oh. But I'd like to remake it. Yeah. Yeah. For yourself? I don't think I could rock it, but my wife could. Yeah. Yeah. So she was a fashion artist? I don't think I could rock it but my wife could yeah yeah

so she was a a fashion artist she was an artist she did a lot of different things she could paint she really liked to put things back together uh huh that was her forte so

did you know her? uh for a little while yeah for about three and a half years and she passed away? yeah she passed away in like 61 62 awful times in the world in general because uh kennedy was assassinated and martin luther king

all that happened like in a succession my mom left john f kennedy left, then Robert Kennedy left. And man, it was like one blow after another to humanity. All these great people that I admired anyway were disappearing. We were very young though. I was very young. I mean, I think about that, too, because I was born in 63, like a couple months before Kennedy got assassinated.

And you've got to figure, you know, on some kind of frequency level, you're taking that in, right? You're taking it all in, man. Anybody who's living is taking it in, and it's affecting us all. So did you go, you spent your whole childhood in Queens? Well, no.

Then soon after that, I went to a place called Woodmere, Long Island. Oh, yeah. I've got relatives. Is that one of the five towns? Yep. See, my father worked in the city as a jeweler. He was a designer. Yeah. Repair repairman and he had a booth yeah in the city west 47th oh yeah so we had to be where the jewelry where the jewelers are yeah yeah and that's what he did so that's what he did were you bar mitzvahed yeah yeah you did the whole

thing yeah i have a well as you, I have a really good voice. Yeah, you do. I had it back then, too, because I can remember nailing. The Hot Tora? Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah? Yeah, man, because any chance to sing, and that was really interesting. I had this cantor.

His name was Cantor Wax. Mm-hmm. He's friends with Stewie wax do you know him no who's stewie wax he's out here on the west coast yeah he might be a rabbi but his father was the canter yeah and uh um out in woodmere yeah and uh he's a great singer yeah actually got a recording of him too of your canter that i used to DJ. Sometimes I'd run it through a delay. And I'd drop drum and bass under it, and it sounded awesome. Of your canter?

Yeah. Did he know? Stewie knew. Yeah? Yeah. And Stewie's his kid? Yeah, Stewie's his kid. So is that when you officially... I don't know if he's alive, that guy.

Who, the old man? Canter Wax. Yeah, but his kid's still around. His kid is thriving out here in L.A. That's great. Yeah. So is that when he first started singing, you think? Me?

Yeah. No, no. When I was a little boy, my big brother and my big sister, they were old enough to love the British explosion, invasion, I should say the british invasion sure and you know the beatles and the stones and then of course came jimmy hendrix and the doors um the who and all that yeah my brother was uh like a freak yeah long-haired freak but not a hippie just a freak uh he became became later an outlaw biker.

Oh, he did? Really? And he's still to this day. Well, he's quit his gang because he's now 72, something like that. Yeah. Which club was he in? He was in a biker club out of New York. Yeah, not the Angels? Not the Angels, but they got along.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. And he retired. Well, one of his wife's father was an Angel. Yeah. So I know that he got along with the Angels for a time, but you know how those things go. Sure, man. So he retired from the biking? Well, yeah. So now he's 72. that he got along with the angels for a time but yeah you know how those things go sure man

so he retired from the biking well yeah so now he's 72 and uh he moved down to tampa there's a biker community down there oh yeah an old biker community yeah yeah and a lot of new york bikers go down there just like you know the migration from new y York to Miami. Well, the bikers, they migrate from New York to Tampa. And they all live around the same area? They all live around. They ride together. The problem is 72-year-old and it's like this in the jewelry business. As you get older, your clientele starts dying right so it gets tougher

and tougher sure to sell jewelry because you know jewelry's for the young i guess i don't know yeah i mean it's the same with anything you know exactly you got a market and they all of a sudden get old and they don't need your services anymore except music's the same fucking way or they're dead dead sure yeah a lot of them are dead but your brother's just like he's just hanging around with like-minded dudes down there yeah yeah yeah you guys get along well yeah we do yeah that's nice to get along yeah i look up to my big brother i always have that's why i took his name and then like but you were talking about that was the music in the house, about starting to sing.

Oh, yeah. So, man, like, you know, I was feeling so bad. That song would hit the road. Good love. Give me that good, good love, you know? Yeah. The whole house would explode. Yeah.

And we would all sing. Yeah. And then when we went to camp, not my brother, but my sister and I went to this camp, you know, like in the summer. Yeah. In New York, upstate New York. Sure. They asked me, there was things like color war. Yeah.

Did you ever go to camp? Yeah. Yeah. It's a great experience. Sure, man. I went to a few. Especially for people that like to entertain. Yeah.

It was my first experience as an entertainer as an athlete yeah as you know feeling up girls yeah i could still remember that it's a big day yeah off the basketball court oh yeah in the dark yeah i walked my girlfriend out and the the basketball court was kind of set up on a, you know, they had dug a lot of mound. Yeah. And they put the basketball court up on the mound. So it had a little slope off the basketball court with nice grass. Yeah.

So I just laid her in the grass right there. Yeah. And started to feel her up. Yeah. Were you like 14? No. 13? 12?

No. Yeah. Something, you know. Yeah, yeah. 11s and 12s. Yeah, yeah. Like sixth grade. Yeah, something, you know. Yeah, yeah. 11s and 12s. Yeah, yeah. Like sixth grade. Yeah, six and seven.

That's when the boobs started to enter the hands. Come out, right? Yeah. Yeah, I went to an arts and music camp, actually, and I think that's true. It's the first time you get a chance to sort of like explore your talent. So check this out. I was so young, I had a song that I had written when I was a little, little boy

that my sister and I, we would make songs up. Yeah. The song goes, it's called Alaboonie. Yeah. It doesn't make any sense, but it's in a different language.

That was my first song. I can sing it for you if you'd like. Is it a nonsense song? I'll sing it for you if you'd like. Sure. Okay. Let's do it. Alaboonie. It just goes Alla Boonie

Alla Boonie Alla Boonie Boonie Boonie Rats a Nooty Nooty Nooty Why didn't James ever record that? Well, I was famous for it in the sleepaway

camp. Alla Bo camp. Alibuni. Yeah. Yeah. They would make me get up and sing it. Yeah. When Color War broke out, the whole side of my team, which is like, there's basically what Color War is, is there's two, you're in a summer camp for, I don't know, it seems like two months, but it's probably one month. Yeah.

You go up there, you get to know counselors other kids you've never met before sure play sports yeah and uh there's also theater yeah so there's a stage you put on plays yeah i was often asked to sing and i really enjoyed it so it was like theater sure only thing i didn't like is crazy. What? I was really skinny. Yeah. You're still pretty skinny.

I'm pretty skinny still. Yeah. I didn't like cold water. Like the lake. Yeah. Bugged me. Yeah. Bugged me out.

Just because it was. Freezing. Yeah. So I often had a cold. Yeah. But you were the singer. But I was a really good singer, good basketball player. Yeah. And the chicks. Yeah. You did all right. I did all right with the chicks. I ended up to go

to sleepaway camp. I know this girl set it up unbeknownst to me. My girlfriend in school ended up at my camp. You see how crafty girls are? Was it Jewish camp? Yeah. When did you come out here? Did you go to high school in Long Island, or what did you do? So I went to junior high school,

got bar mitzvahed up there. I went at the Sands Hotel. Yeah? Yeah. And then my family left and migrated down to North Miami Beach, Florida. There you go. Just outside of Miami Beach. Yeah. That's a whole different world, man.

Yeah. But it's a great place to grow up as a young person because as a young person, there's all these vacant lots. Yeah. You can turn into dirt bike tracks. Sure. And this was my first experience with marijuana. Yeah. I grew marijuana in these vacant lots out there.

Yeah. And then we would go every day to visit the marijuana plants. Yeah. You know, I smoked it out there in the jungle. Was it good? good yeah and there's all these houses being built right yeah back then you ever heard the expression acapulco gold yeah panama red these are early descriptions yeah yeah of the styles and types of marijuana yeah that was going around tie stick in the 70s yeah yeahi, wowie. Yeah, yeah.

And so it was sensational going to high school. I went to junior high for maybe a year and then went right into high school down in North Miami Beach, Florida. And until I graduated, but I didn't go to graduation. Yeah, while you were? I ended up to take a bus out to California. Right when you graduated? Yeah, like I didn't go to the ceremony, but I was told that I graduated. So what was the impulsive move?

Oh, I wanted to get the hell away from my family. Yeah. And my situation in Florida. What was that? Oh, you know, well, we were talking about this earlier, my wife and I were having a discussion on your porch about how

our son right now hates her and hates me. And I said, well. How old is he? He's going to be 17. Right. And I stopped her. I said, no, I don't think he hates, he doesn't hate us.

But I do remember calling my father out on the front lawn and, you know, threatening to have a pistol duel. Oh, yeah? On the front lawn. Yeah. threatening to have a pistol duel oh yeah on the front lawn yeah did you have a pistol he had it oh okay so he's gonna just give it to you to have the duel no but i knew where it was yeah so you're was not he had a lot of guns sure my dad uh as a jeweler yeah you're carrying you're bringing home jewels you're bringing home you carry a gun he had a permit to carry yeah so we always had a hand hand pistol in his gun so he did in his bag he had a like a handbag with gems and a pistol and he didn't take you up on it on on the duel? No, he backed down.

I'd probably back down if my son asked me to do it. I think it's the right thing to do as a father. What were you so pissed off about? Well, I'll be honest with you. My dad, this is what I'm telling you, man. The business, the jewelry business, as you get older, your clientele starts to go away. So you look for other ways to make money. So now I tell you, my dad, he comes out of Bensonhurst. There were some rough characters out of Bensonhurst. And so it was typical. My father went to high school with the Lansky brothers. Sure. As in Meyer? Yeah. Yeah. So it was typical for fellows in that era to go outside the law and do what they needed to do.

So as a result, as everybody knows, there were Jewish gangsters, Italian gangsters, Irish gangsters, black gangsters, Mexican gangsters, Chinese gangsters. You know, everybody's got a side and they've got a gangster element to their tribe. It's there. It's a little bit protection. It touches on glamour. It goes into the music business. It helps the music business to be glamorous and dangerous. And your old man got involved with the mob? My dad was always

in touch with that element right but you know he wasn't a you know uh he never saw as far as i know he never swore a blood oath right but uh i grew up around those guys because they would hang out at my dad's shop. And they would, you know, just do what they do, hanging out. And you had a problem with that? It was honestly a big problem of my family. Yeah. And that's what you had to get away from. of my family yeah and that's what you had to get away from yeah my dad was behaving extremely erratic because he was getting desperate and he was getting older so now

you got this mob element coming in yeah and it's quickly engulfing my family. Yeah, so My dad didn't know how to Honestly, he didn't know how to keep keep them Push him back. Yeah, and so I Didn't know that yeah, I was a young guy and I was kind of like fuck these guys You know, I'd be asking me a hey, kid, polish my ring. Yeah. I'd be like, hey, what do you want? I'll get you anything you want.

I'm a surfer. Oh, yeah, I got a warehouse of surfboards. Yeah. Okay. What do you want? I got any board you want. Okay, I want a silver surfboard, pintail, 6'4", 6'6". Fuck off. They didn't get it for you?

No, obviously not. So that was your trip. You were surfing and you're dealing with these wise guys who are hanging around. I was becoming a young man and I didn't know what I wanted to do. So you know what I ended up wanting to do? What? Because my dad, when I was a really young man, used to drag me into work. Yeah. Because my dad, when I was a really young man, used to drag me into work.

So now these guys are kind of taking over kind of a sagging business. I'm watching it, but I'm too young to understand that I got to honestly be there to help my dad. Because my dad was too proud to say, hey, I don't know what to do. He couldn't say that to me. Yeah. Because I looked up to my dad like he was. Right. My hero. The big shot.

He was so tough. Yeah. So he said, what ended up happening, Mark, honestly, was my dad told me, I'm hanging on to your life savings. And when you graduate, I'll give it to you. I was planning to go. You'll dig this. I was planning to take a surf trip with my buddies to a place called El Salvador.

Unfortunately for us, this was 1973, 72, something like that. I was about to graduate. Civil War. Yeah. The Civil War of El Salvador. Now, as a surfer and as a daring surfer i still wanted to go yeah but i didn't really have my family my parents i had a stepmother couldn't give a shit about me my father was in over his head in his life i wanted to go there anyway but my surf buddies parents would not let them go

right to to the uh war war in el salvador i figured we'll be safe we're only surfers they'll figure that out that was probably naive and we really wanted to go because we had heard that this break was unbelievable yeah yeah i didn't want to give up on that dream that's why i said listen man i want to take a surf trip. I want my money, and then I'll come back, and we'll get started, and I'll join the family business. And my dad, this is tragic, man. He said, I don't have any of your money.

That was it. That was it. Yeah, and you're like, fuck this. That was it. My life savings, I've been working for my dad through high school so you know he had a a grip on the purse strings that's frustrating for a young man who's like yeah i want to go out and i got and need some money yeah i've been you know i worked for you for like the last whatever three years four years five years i don't want to keep this up i don't want to keep asking you

for money just put me on a budget you know let me take a little bit every now and then no but it was building up building up so now i'm dealing with a kid who's 17 and i do see where he's coming from you know what he's like telling you to fuck off uh in so many words yeah yeah and he's got he's got a real attitude man but he's an artist yeah what's his trip what's his trip or what does he like to do as an artist yeah what he likes to do as an artist he he's a graphic artist for now and he's really a real um word word I'm looking for, provocative. Like he draws really provocative shit. Like he drew something and it looked like a real frustrated person.

And it said, I want to kill myself. So I went, okay, I got to talk to him about this. And I thought, dear God, I have a a problem a real serious problem with my son this is this is bad bad bad indication i went up to him and i said i by the way we have a an ongoing thing where i say to him come up with a t-shirt that i could print so on the road I say to him, come up with a t-shirt that I could print. Sell on the road? Yeah, sell at Lollapalooza, sell on the road, sell at the next place. So he's very reluctant to, he wants to be his own person.

He's got a very strong personality himself. He doesn't really want people to know he's my son. Right. It's almost that bad because he doesn't want people to like him because of his dad. Right, right. And you know those people are out there. Yeah, and he's bright enough to know that. Yeah.

So he doesn't make a big deal of it. He never raises my name or the family name. And he likes to operate, as he told me, when he was in third grade. I went to see him in the schoolyard because it was his first day at school. And I went back after I dropped him off. I went back at lunch just to see because he had just come back from Hong Kong. We lived for a few years in hong kong yeah so he was coming back to the country i was putting him in school in los angeles from hong kong he'd spent two years your wife is chinese yeah she's from hong kong yeah

so i was nervous hezron i dropped him off at the schoolhouse. I came back at lunch, and he's running around. And I said, hey, Hez, how you doing, man? He says, I'm fine. I go, whoa, that's cool. I just wanted to see how you were. He goes, don't worry, Dad. I like to operate alone. And he ran off.

That's third grade. Yeah. So how did you handle this suicide thing okay so i've said to him this is cool for a t-shirt i can't put this i can't put this on a t-shirt do you really want do you really want to kill yourself and he said at the time i did i was at school and the teacher was so fucking boring I wanted to kill myself. So I ran, okay, great. I can work with this.

If you just write, this teacher is so fucking boring, I want to kill myself, with the rest of it, I almost like it a lot. And he goes, no. Yeah. Okay, so I'm not even going to bend for you. Like, you can't meet me halfway in the middle i simply cannot print i want to kill myself on a shirt bad messaging yeah but this teacher's so fucking boring i want to kill myself it's different it's a bit is different but you're doing okay as a dad. You know, I think that I'm doing well in that I never stop loving my children. Even if he hates me for the moment, it's not a hate. That's what I told my wife.

It's not a hate. It's something else because he can't possibly hate me. I've done nothing to deserve hatred. Yeah, other than just be, you know, just a period they go through. Yeah, so this is the period they go through. So, and I was angst, I had full-on angst against my dad. Now, he had, there was a lot, made a combustible situation. This is not that with my son.

Right, sure. Not that with my son. Sure. But it is combustible in another way in that my wife and I are like Desi and Lucille Ball. Yeah. Desi Arnaz and Lucille Ball. Sure. We met. She was a dancer.

I took her out on the road with me. I am a band leader. Yeah. So he lives in that environment. band leader yeah so he lives in that environment and i think i might have um if i did anything wrong i tried to expose him to the road because we were we were working i mean she literally had her children on her on her tits yeah and then she ran out there and do a number right and go back and for which which band was this jane's addiction oh yeah so they were really living it they were living it but as a result i think i jolted them a little too early and now he doesn't really like touring so

that's where we get in our fight uh hey man you want to go to the galapagos islands no why wouldn't you because i'm going to miss tests and then my my grades are going to drop okay that's a good excuse yeah you can't really got on to that one yeah but but i still insisted that he go because it was my 60th birthday. And he went? Yes, he did. And he went? He did, but he was difficult initially. Yeah. He wouldn't go onto the islands and he wouldn't snorkel.

He wouldn't leave his room. He wouldn't eat. And that went on for... The whole time? I'll be honest. It went on for almost three days. But then he admitted that when we left, he went upstairs and ate the peanuts. And I think he asked them for something because the crew was concerned initially.

He was just trying to make the point. And he's got a real strong temper in that if he doesn't want to do something, he doesn't explode and get violent. He will just become concrete. Locked down. And then he will become granite. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but that's an admirable trait. The first time I tried to spank him, the one and only time I try to spank, you know, I didn't know better. I thought that a certain time in a child's life, it's very early.

You give them what is known as a pachki. Yeah. On the ass. A pachki. A pachki on the tuchus? Yeah. When they don't want to go to sleep. Yeah.

It was that moment. And I took this kid in a room. I'm like all right man you and me I'm gonna smack you in the ass and I did and he would stiffen up and look me in the eye and he wouldn't cry and that went on for I'm not kidding I feel bad about it about a half an hour and it got a little stronger a little stronger each time and then the last time it was red and i felt oh this i i'm fucking ugh i'm just i'm hate disgusted by this whole thing yeah because he wouldn't cry so

i give up and he won no more potch keys no i never did it again so what about the other kid you got two other ones then my other other son, Isidore, I... These family names? Yeah. Isidore? No, Hezron. Yeah. Hezron is, it means a small village.

Yeah. It's in the Book of Ruth. Yeah. A small village is a good start, right? Sure. So he is like that. He's a pillar. Hezron.

Yeah, and Isidore is the other one? And then Isidore, his younger brother, is very animated and he's got great balance and loves skateboarding and gaming. Do you call him Izzy? Yes. Yeah. And do you have another kid? I do. Yeah.

But I don't see that child. Oh, sorry. Oh, me too. Not with Etienne. Right. Etienne, these are my two children. Right. Yeah, from another relationship.

Yeah. Maybe that'll come around. Yeah. Yeah. You're open to relationship. Yeah. Maybe that'll come around. Yeah. Yeah, you're open to it. Yeah. So when you came out here to Los Angeles, you didn't set out to be in a band, did you? Well, the leap, as I told you, came from frustration.

Yeah. I was somewhat desperate coming out here to California. I knew one person. somewhat desperate coming out here to California I knew one person I took a Greyhound that let me off in Riverside and that place is yeah it's a little far yeah that was as far as it took me yeah and it dropped me off at the bus station i had a surfboard i had some art supplies i had weed and i had a little bit of money and um so i came out here thinking i'm gonna stay with my surfing buddy jim yeah he was playing football in san jacinto junior College in Hemet, California. It's the first place I lived.

Hemet. Yeah. Can you believe that? Yeah. So Hemet is, for those of you who don't know where it is, you know where Coachella is. It's even past Coachella. Yeah. Out in the desert.

It's in the high desert where it gets in the hundreds. Yeah. And I worked as a framer. I was a carpenter yeah and framed houses lifted lumber you know did um what you call it um retail yeah retail things and track homes yeah Yeah. Yeah. In Hemet. Roofed. I was a roofer. Yeah.

In Hemet. It's hot as hell out there. Yeah. So then how do you get from Hemet to rock and roll? Oh. Yeah, man. You know, that leap, I'll tell you. I crashed.

I was out there and I had to leave. You know, I was getting sucked into this crew. They were a construction crew. So I was part of this team. You know, they were the one who talked me in, get your framer's belt, we'll go from job to job yeah um get all your tools yeah and i was doing it for a while and then i started saying to myself you know i don't want to say the fellow's name because i'm not mad at him but our uh

But the crew chief, this guy, he's a drunk. We were drinking. You get a 12-pack after work when you're framing. Sure. And get a 12-pack, get a bad back, and you're thinking to yourself, I don't think I want to do this in Hemet for my whole life. And if I don't get out of here real soon, they're starting to depend on me. And so they were going to all kick my ass.

I was going to get my ass beat to hell in Hemet. They had taken my artwork from my apartment and were holding it ransom, holding ransom on my art and my artwork. For you to stay? Yeah. Is that crazy? Yeah. And they had whipped themselves up in a lather.

Let's go back. Let's go over there and kick his ass. That's the last night i was there i was with jim and two girls and man i'm telling you we were fucking away these guys were gonna kick my ass they came to the door and then jim got the football team this is a true story. His best, you know, our best buddies off the team. Yeah. Stood up against those guys and they squat, you know, they walked off. They couldn't deal with the football team. But that was my buddy Jim.

Jim Mullally. He passed, but he was one of my closest friends. Yeah. So I have better stories to tell you so let's go because i wanted i definitely want to talk about the the current like the the future yeah no i want to i don't have any problem completely uh not talking about the arc of uh of jane's addiction but i can talk about the jane's addiction sure man they're they're exciting well i mean it's just

those records are just and all the records are like really kind of mind-blowing but i just remember hearing thank you yeah i love them i still listen i still listen to the first record a lot that means a lot thank you yeah i mean it's like it's the first record yeah oh yeah i mean i listened to the shit out of the record yeah to, that's a good one. To this day. But there was a period there where I don't really even know. I was in L.A. at that time when you guys were first starting to play those songs from Nothing Shocking. I had heard that everybody in rock and roll came out to see those shows. like everybody in rock and roll came out to see those shows.

Like when you guys got it together, that you were doing something that no one had heard before. Do you remember that time? Sort of. Yeah. But do you remember having that impact on the scene? Yeah, I do remember that, you know, a transition. I mean, let's face it, we're transitioning through time and we're setting this kind of like rhythm or arc. Arc is a good word for you.

So let's just say the bow of the ship was causing rhythms to be ribboning off the side of the bow as we were cutting through time. And we were moving. We were moving. And at that moment, I did feel that there was almost like a centrifuge around that time period and around jane's addiction as well yeah what we were what we were up to what we were doing um the messaging the art the art um and art is a response to let's face it it it reflects reality and it reflects its moment in history. So we were reflecting the Reagan era. We were reflecting the Bush era. And that was a very post-punk era.

Yeah. I mean, yeah, right. And you'd done your time in punk as well. Well, yeah. You came out of it. I came out of it. You'd done your time in punk as well. Well, yeah, I came out of it. I was actually, I feel very fortunate because those humble beginnings where there was not too much light cast on that particular group, collective of people in Los Angeles.

Predominantly, it was before Silver Lake became the hipster place. The LA Weekly was down there, and it was just a jaunt off of downtown. I rehearsed in Silver Lake, but in the Philippine neighborhood, as my guitarist was a philippine man and um my keyboardist was a philippine woman for psi yeah psycom so you were doing you know straight up punk rock what was the angle yeah it was um but it was post-punk so where we were at honestly like i learned from all the people that were already in the scene. And then you know what happened to me, Mark? What?

I met this crazy girl, man. I loved her. I have to tell you, I fell in love with her. She was hot. Her name I won't tell you. But her mom was once a Canadian opera singer. Yeah. Hot.

Yeah. Miss Canada. Uh-huh. Her father was an opera singer. Huh. Anyway, she wanted to be an entertainer. Yeah. But she was never going to be.

You have to have so much. There's a lot that goes into being a great great entertainer part of it is pure art part of it is pure desire part of it is pure do you have do you have the stamina to keep a focus on a dream or are you full of shit yeah or you you Or you might be born pretty and your parents might be something. Yeah. But you don't have a drive. Right. And it takes all those things

and drive is a big factor. She didn't have drive, man. She was, I call her type a hesher. She loved to sit around and smoke pot and hold a bowl in her hand she had long beautiful shiny brown hair but you loved her yeah i loved her because she was really beautiful and that's the very first time i thought you know she wanted to be a singer yeah and i could sing right yeah so this is what i would do i out, for the very first time, a rehearsal studio,

brought in tapes of my favorites, which was David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust. Yeah. I put it over the sound system and tried to sing like David Bowie, see if I'm anywhere in the ballpark. Yeah. But I would say, come on, we got to do this. And it was always, no, she's going to be drunk. Yeah.

Or she's going to smoke. Right, yeah. You know, she just, here's the thing. I say this, and I told this to my wife. She agrees with me. People kind of know their future. And so they might be behaving like, you know, you're wondering why they're behaving like this.

I thought they wanted to be a singer. Yeah. I think in the back of her mind she knows, for what all of it is, and this is not to be an insult. Yeah. I know I'm not going to be able to be a singer. Or, you know, in three years I'm going to look like this. Or in three years, you know, I'm just, they know.

They know. It's like something. Girls know the expiration. So do guys. There's expiration dates. But you've certainly put yourself through a lot over the years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you look great.

Thanks. You landed on top. Well, yeah. I like to say right now, yeah, I feel like I'm on top of it. And you guys now with the old band, are you guys friends? You know, Jane's as it is now. Yeah. Yeah, of course.

I love those guys. Who's in it now? Well, Chris Chaney is in it now. And Chris and I are partners on the new project as well. The Kind Heaven project? Yeah, it's kind of like band leading. Yeah. Are you and Dave all right?

Yeah. Me and Dave are fine. Yeah, we're doing great. That's great. And you guys, you've gotten back together a few times. Are you touring now or are you still with them sometimes? See, I have a new project the kind heaven yeah i listen to the record it's great you listen to it yeah thank you sounds good who's playing guitar on that

well i thought you would ask um elliot easton no shit yeah wow yeah like all the way through the record no okay not all the way through who's on that. Okay. Not all the way through. Who's on that first cut? That real hard rocker, almost like a punk tune. That could be Phil X and Peter DeStefano. Oh, yeah. You've worked with him for a while. Peter DeStefano is a porno for pirates. Yeah, right. Yeah, the record sounds great, but I know there's a-

You know who played drums? Who? And did rhythms? Taylor Hawkins. Who's he from? Foo Fighters. Oh, yeah, that guy. He's great.

He is one of my dearest friends in the world. Yeah. Taylor. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to go and record more tomorrow, Etty and I. Oh, yeah? Over at Taylor.

He is one of the most prolific writers right now in in rock uh you know in music honestly he just is his mind loves music so much he you know music now you know he's in the center where music gravitates around him really he's like a gravitational force of music. Yeah, as are you. Thank you. Yeah. So the new, like I was talking to the publicist, now your wife, Eddie is her name? Yes, Etty. Etty is involved in this Kind Heaven project, correct? Yes, she is very involved.

We sing. Hold on, you want to get her in here? Yeah, thank you. Thank you. That's very kind of you. Etty. So you're here now with hey perry for you want eddie to come up Nice. Yeah. Yeah.

Good deal. Do you know your aftora? That was Perry Farrell singing You Gotta Move by the Rolling Stones. You got to move. You got to move. You got to move, child. You got to move you got to move child you got to move but when the law gets ready you gotta move Come on in. How, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, how, Get ready.

You got to move. Etty, welcome. Thank you. Thank you for having me. You can pull that mic in a little. Yeah, do it, dear. Let's sing a little. Okay.

I'm not good at singing. No, you don't have to. We'll just... You'll get your distance on the mic. All right. Mm-hmm. Oh. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. I don't know. That's perfect. That's it, right there. So we were about to talk about the new thing. Oh, fun. Good times. Apparently, we talked about your kids. We talked about the 17-year-old.

We got all that. Oh, God. I actually got very good advice out there. Oh, really? Yeah. Take away his iPad. No, no. They say that, you know.

Spank him. Did he tell you that my son now won't come on tour? Yeah, I heard that. Well, they said, well, then let him stay, but make him present you with a plan. You can't just sit around for eight weeks. I was going to put him to work, Mark. At the jewelry store? No, no. I was going to tell, look, I tell him At the jewelry store? No. No. I was going to tell

him, look, I tell him, look, we have a family business. That's what it is. It can't be a family thing. Nothing related to us. He has to go out, find his own job, get his job, present it to us, and we may say yes. But you're not going to sit around and do nothing for eight weeks, and

that's a privilege. Well, hey, man, it's worse than that. I mean... What does he do on the road, though? I mean, if he... Well, we are. Well, hey man, it's worse than that. I mean, what does he do on the road though? I mean, well, we are, well, he has his little brother

that I was hoping that they could, you know, is he? Yes, I was hoping that there will be two of them and they can explore

the city together. Whatever city you go to? Exactly, like in Philadelphia, the monument, SDC. No. Well,

no, a couple of years ago they did go Pokemon Go. Is that that game? So they did do that. And we're also bringing my loves of my life, my puppies on tour. So they would be responsible for taking care of them too.

And it's really the last summer because he's going to be a senior next year. And then you're going to lose him. He's going to go. Yes. Well, I feel like he's going to go. senior next year. And then you're going to lose him. He's going to go. Yes. Well, I feel like he's going to go. But then a friend of ours said, well, they'll always come back. Of course.

Because financially, they're not. Yeah, need some money. Oh, yeah. Exactly. A girlfriend of ours who's got children. She's a successful actress. Yeah. You probably know her.

We won't say names. Of course not. But her children, she she said she hears our stories and her children are older yeah so she said don't worry about it

they'll come back they'll come back they need money of course I said how do you know they're going to come back she said how else how do they eat

yeah right so this kind the kind heaven thing like I didn't realize it's not just a record it's a record recorded a specific way. Oh, but we need to talk about that right now.

Yeah. Okay. So check it out, man. Okay. It is more than a record in that it is a concept. I'm trying to create a global community. Okay. Of people that are kind.

Yeah. Do random acts of kindness. Yeah. of people that are kind, do random acts of kindness. Yeah. And this type of thinking, it kind of started with Lollapalooza, right? Yeah. I mean, this is a community event. We need a place where we can celebrate,

where these moments are spiritual, spiritual moments of enlightenment. Yeah. You can't learn about a soul when you're dealing with a soulless apparatus like a computer. You can only do that with another soul. Yeah, and this is the Kind Heaven Orchestra. Yeah, so this is what we're doing.

We made a recording of the story. We'll call it a story. Yeah. It is an art project. Yeah. So this art project is multimedia. Yeah. Yeah.

Etty, who is an accomplished dancer, ballerina, is working as artistic director along with our friend Kevin Stay. So we brought Kevin Stay in to help us. Who has danced in the dance community. He's legend. Yeah. Working with and bringing in legends to work with us on. Well, beyond the legend part, I was, you know, I know that, you know, when this is. They're so stylish. It's more of the up and coming.

They haven't quite gotten the day in the sun, but they're so brilliant. Yeah. But they just haven't quite gotten that shot yet. These are dancers. They're close. These are. They're crossing the threshold of success. Not just dancers, but more like videographers okay or um not producers but choreographers photographers designers clothing

designers um makeup artists where's all this gonna happen how's this gonna work well we're gonna start we have a tour coming up um we're starting in June with a residency at City Winery. Can we talk for a moment about City Winery? Because I promised I would talk about them for a moment. This is a nice time. In New York? In New York. And Boston.

But also in Boston. And I didn't realize they're all over. There's what? Memphis? And Tennessee, yes. And Nashville. And Nashville, Boston. I want to say Atlanta.

I don't think so. So that's an intimate room, though. Right. It's a great room to start, man, because, again, you see, I don't mind. I like the intimacy. What's happened is the intimacy's gone out. The publicist told me about not only the orchestra and this sort of like happening that you're going to tour

with, with all these different components and just sort of work it out live with audiences. Right. Well, what we wanted to do is we have two different shows going on. Of course, there's the shows in the U.S. that's in a smaller venue. And what we wanted

to do is we wanted to bring an element of immersive entertainment to it where there's interactions between not just on stage and the audience, but out in the foyer, out by the bar.

Uh-huh. There is entertainment out there, right? Is that what, you're still going to do that? Yeah, yeah. So here's how I like to play it. Yeah. Is that what, you're still going to do that? Yeah, yeah. So here's how I like to play it. Yeah.

I have been contacted by spirits before. Yeah. What do they have to say? They have a lot to say. No, actually, they don't have a lot to say, but they're very direct and to the point. Yeah. into the point yeah so that experience i want to share and i want to give other people that same experience so i want to create an environment where we're all celebrating together and making music and making dance and making art and there are spirits coming there are spirits coming. There are spirits coming that lived and played music and danced at the Cotton Club

or that lived in Kansas City when jazz was first happening and might have seen Charlie Parker. And all these spirits are coming in, And then, you know, Warhol finds out about it. Yeah. And Jim Morrison. Yeah. And everybody's partying in dimensions. Yeah.

So what we want to do is, you know, they always say when you're dealing with immersive theater, the trick is to never break the fourth wall. Yeah. Well, we are going to take the fourth wall and punch it in the face and then not that wall goes down and we enter the fifth dimension sure oh we don't enter it we go there and come back we can jump across and come back and that's that is the environment that's the scene we're trying to set now what is the what is this like this media complex you were telling me about in Vegas? Yeah, but I don't want to get to that yet.

Okay. Because the environment, let's stick with this for a minute. Stick with the spirits and environment. Yes. Fifth dimension. You have a band, which is an orchestra. The orchestra can do, I'm starting it out, but I'm looking at it like old school kansas city you can beat my band yeah you can come up and try and we're gonna get hot in that room man and it's gonna have

dancers in there you can invite an ever-changing roster of musicians come out yes yeah with my guitar yes mark marionite now officially invites you to collude with kind heaven. Would you do it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. All right. Thank you. I would be really, you have a nice voice. You kept your timbre in there. You were very good. I hear you're a musician.

Yeah, I can do it. I can do it. You just let me know. I know you've got a sense of humor. Yeah. So I was really excited to meet you. But let's keep our focus on what that room looks like and feels like and sounds like. Yeah.

So now we've got like great dress, man. People would be dressing up to the nines, you know, and dancers that are accomplished and amazing. Who's the core of the band that you're going to be doing? that you're going to be doing? Etienne and I are the core of the band. And then Chris Chaney. Now, we look at things like we are a collective. Right.

We are a group. All of us together are scene makers. Yeah. So once you're in the Kind Heaven Orchestra, you're a member. Yeah. You're certainly a member of the Scene Makers Association or the SHMA. Yeah, the SHMA, of course. hear so where's what's the end game the end game is i am looking to

create and and make a new scene man yeah because what we're up to now is bottle service yeah and that really uh i know yeah you're shaking your head no. I'm shaking my head no. Etsy says no. Could we have bottle service at Kind Heaven? Sure. But we got to give them another reason. Yeah.

And it's got to be exciting. Otherwise, you're going to stay on your iPad or your iPhone. And you'll never leave your damn house. Life experience and life entertainment is the one thing that we still cannot duplicate in our house, even if you have virtual reality and whatnot. But there's nothing that compares to being there and experiencing it. Of all your favorite things, Eti, what is it that you like to do aside from be with me? Oh, my God.

Cuddling with my dogs. I don't know. No, you said it yesterday. I should have, I should have whispered. What did I say? You said, you know, because somebody was asking her,

what is your, what is your favorite thing to do in the world? And you said, I like to entertain live. Oh, yes, yes. No, he said, what is it I do best?

Yeah. Meaning of all of my repertoire. I said, I like to entertain life. You know, clearly, you know, we've shot music videos. I've worked, you know, in the entertainment industry. But there's nothing that compares to being alive. I mean, it could be a vanity thing.

I love instant gratification. Yeah. You love to have love. I will tell you. It's fun to get the crowd going. Her body is beautiful. It is truly a temple, and she's a great temple. This all sounds very exciting.

It is very exciting. And you're going to hope that the performances of this stuff are going to be done like that, fully immersive? If you can pull it off with City Winery, you're going to be able to do it? Exactly. So we're limited. We're limited in, you wouldn't be out. You know, look at the tour dates. I would give you some space to do anything.

I have improvisational actors. Yeah. I have comedians. Yeah. I give them time on stage and off. It's like a full-on variety clusterfuck. Yeah. Well, good luck with it.

Thank you. It sounds very exciting. Thank you. It was exciting talking to you. Yes, it was. I think this would probably be the first interview where we did not talk about Jane's addiction or porn over part. Yeah, we did. A little bit.

You asked me about the guys. Yeah. And I told you I love them. Everybody's good. Yeah. Well, it sounds very exciting, and it was great talking to you, too. and I told you I love them. Everybody's good. Yeah. Well, it sounds very exciting, and it was great talking to you, too. Yes. Thank you.

Thank you. Buster, what are you doing? All right, that was Perry Farrell, the new record, Kind Heaven, is available tomorrow, June 7th. Get it wherever you get music. Buster, Buster. Buster. Buster. Stay out of the printer. This fucking cat, man. Alright, look. I told you. Alright, so Toronto

pre-sale for JFL 42 is now until tomorrow. I'll be there September 19th. You can go to JFL 42. The number JFL42.com. You can go to JFL42, the number, JFL42.com. You can go to WTFpod.com to get that link. The pre-sale is today, June 6th through 10 a.m. tomorrow, June 7th.

When they go on regular sale, if you're able to get under the wire here and do the pre-sale, the password is 42, that's 42, comics. Okay? Alright, I don't have time to play guitar today. I gotta pack. Because I'm leaving for Vermont. But I'm already here. It's hard. It's hard to be in this space.

I'm telling you. Boomer lives! It's hockey season, and you can get anything you need delivered with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So, no, you can't get an ice rink on Uber Eats. But iced tea, ice cream, or just plain old ice? Yes, we deliver those. Gold tenders, no. But chicken tenders, yes. Because those are groceries, and we deliver those too.

Along with your favorite restaurant food, alcohol, and other everyday essentials. Order Uber Eats now. For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please other everyday essentials. Order Uber Eats now. For alcohol, you must be legal drinking age. Please enjoy responsibly. Product availability varies by region. See app for details. It's a night for the whole family.

Be a part of Kids Night when the Toronto Rock take on the Colorado Mammoth at a special 5 p.m. start time on Saturday, March 9th at First Ontario Centre in Hamilton. The first 5,000 fans in attendance will get a Dan Dawson bobblehead courtesy of Backley Construction. Punch your ticket to Kids Night on Saturday, March 9th at 5pm in Rock City at