WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1304 - Chris Spencer

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

Chris Spencer is the kind of guy the White House calls when they need a show business favor. How did he become so connected? In Chris's words, Black Hollywood is a small place. Chris talks with Marc about how his early comedy career paved the way for a big break as a late night talk show host. But when that opportunity fizzled from the start, Chris had to figure out how to redirect his talents. That new approach led to a lot of comedy writing and directing his first feature film with Kevin Hart, Wesley Snipes and Tiffany Haddish.  Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Lock the gates! all right let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck nicks it's me mark maron this is my podcast wtf welcome to it it's been a fun run lately a lot of good conversations i enjoy talking to creative people that do interesting things. I worry about it sometimes. I worry about when you talk to somebody like, let's say, Tony Kushner last week. sense of creativity and a sophistication and a sense of purpose and an idea of moving things forward in a progressive way. And you look at the culture we live in and you start to think like, well, is all that going to go away? Is all of that, when does that get steamrolled by stupidity? When does the sort of movements of progressive creativity start getting steamrolled by stupidity? I mean, they're already almost all marginalized to some degree, and this is just output.

I'm not talking about individuals. I'm not talking about people. I'm talking about art in and of itself, painting, jazz, poetry, things that were sort of kind of soul sustenance, things that you may not do every day, but when you do them, you're sort of like, why don't I do these things every day? Why don't I nourish my brain with this type of creativity? I don't know what happens to it all. And maybe I'm just becoming an old guy, but it just seems that there's a consolidation of dumb, dumb output going on that seems to be kind of like a tsunami, just kind of steamrolling and blowing over the kind of more delicate, more fragile, more personal, actually more risky voices and output. I don't know.

I don't know. I just think that once the stupid decide on a uniform, we're all in trouble. And I guess we'll all be eating the same thing and listening to the same marching band. Who knows? Right? How's it going? Everybody okay? Chris Spencer's on the show today.

He's a comedian. I work with him all the time. He came up to me like a couple of weeks ago and he's like, can I do your show? I'm like, haven't you been on the show? Have I done that many podcasts where now I'm sort of, I don't need, I'm not sure who's been on and who hasn't. I guess so. It's got to be almost 1300.

I guess that happens. He's been around a while. He's worked and written with the Wayans brothers, with Jamie Foxx, Chris Rock. He's good friends with and produces things with and works with Kevin Hart. His big break was a million years ago hosting the Vibe talk show. And that was sort of what was interesting to me. You know, just going back with a dude that's been in it that long, you know, probably a little less time than me, has had some big breaks or thought to be big breaks at the time and sort of survived them

not being big breaks. and we got to talking about stuff man i just remembering things about coming up in this business and just the idea i living in this city i'm in new york right now i didn't tell you i was coming but that's where i am i'm here i'm in new york city i gotta be honest with you I'm an old man already. And this is the nicest hotel room I've ever stayed in. And it's not even that extravagant. It's a suite, but it's just so fucking tastefully done. Isn't that exciting? Isn't that a nice thing that, you know, at this age you can experience sort of like, oh, like I've been in a lot of hotels in my life. I've even been in some really nice ones

one night I stayed at uh what's that hotel in Austin there's some old ass hotel in Austin and somehow or another I was put in the LBJ suite and it was like you know leather furniture uh it was huge I think there was like a kitchen in it. The Driscoll. That must be it, right? The Driscoll. Sure. I think that's it. And somehow or another, I'm in this LBJ suite. And it was way too much room for me.

There was like a dining room. It was crazy. And as extravagant as that was, that should have been like, this is really amazing. This is an amazing hotel room. But I was there for one night. I was literally in that room for like six hours. I couldn't even sit on all of the furniture or even use all the rooms or, or even, you know, sort of, I don't even think I had time to masturbate in the LBJ

suite, but right now I'm down in Soho and I don't know if it was just redone or what, but the decor and maybe I'm just getting old and soft. I don't know. It's just stunning down to every detail. The windows are glorious. I usually stay on the east side, but now I'm in Soho. I don't know if it's a step up, it's kind of a step sideways on the island, and I just, I want to live in this room. Maybe that's what I'm working towards. Maybe someday I'll just have enough money and not enough to do and i'll just spend my last days in a hotel slowly

Losing my mind Nice hotel. That's all i'm saying. I've been here for like two days and um It's always great to come to new york. I mean the weather although it's cold. It's clear. It's sunny It's crisp and it's clear, it's sunny, it's crisp, and it's fucking spectacular. I love being here. I love being in this city.

I think I only like it for a few days, but I don't know. There's some part of me, I'm looking to do something, something different, you know, before everything gets ugly. I mean, it's already pretty ugly, but you know, I don't know how much time I got left. So like, there's part of me that thinks like, well, maybe you should live part-time in New York. What for? Can barely go to the comedy clubs here.

I don't know why. I just don't feel like it. But it's great being here. I got here the other night. I came in a night early so I could go to dinner with my buddy Sam Lipsight. And as some of you know, I've been sort of fasting and dieting and COVIDing. And when I got here, it was as if i had never eaten before and i have an odd relationship with food and overeating but jesus christ it's been fucking awesome sam and i went

over to kiklides which is this greek seafood joint they got one out in queens i got one here we always go there the next day brendan came over we did a interview uh roy wood jr in the hotel room here at the suite then we went out and got pizza prince street pizza the square kind two there i guess there's two places to eat pizza in new york i mean i don't know i'm sure it's up for up for debate and argument but uh go to joe's over on carmine at sixth or apparently this prince street place which i'd never been to but it's the uh square style rectangle pizzas um crispy bottom had the uh the margarita slice and a pepperoni slice it was awesome heart jamming then i went over to me and brendan went

over to ferrara the the 100 year old italian pastry place that my grandma used to take me when we come into the city had a ricotta cheesecake and a sfagliatelle you know with the clam shaped thing with ricotta in it oh my god then last night i went to balthazar oh i can't why am i just what is this but why is all my i love to eat and i hate it i just can't i can't win I can't win in my body I can't win in this vessel with me I do okay with other people but with me I'm not winning always losing here's what's going on this is why I'm in New York DreamWorks flew me out here we're doing some press related stuff for this animated film I'm in called the bad guys it's me Sam Rockwell, Tony Ramos, Zazie Bates, Alex Borstein, Aquafina. It's positioned to be a pretty big animated film, and I had not seen a full cut.

And we're here to do this press-related stuff for two days. That's why I'm here in New York. But last night, they screened the movie here at the hotel. Sam was there, and Zazazie and Lily Singh was there and the director, producers and some guests of ours. It was like 20 people. And we got to watch the film and it's full, you know, it's finished. And I'd never seen it before. And it's wild to see a whole animated movie where I play the snake. I'm Mr. Snake. Rockwell is Mr. Wolf. To make the adjustment, just watching it as myself, about a third of the way into the movie, I'm Mr. Snake, Rockwell is Mr. Wolf. To make the adjustment, just watching it as myself,

about a third of the way into the movie, it was like I was the snake. And it was emotional and engaging and exciting. I couldn't, you know, the movie's great. And it's about friendship in a way. And it was just so goddamn sweet and so spectacular. I'm thrilled about it. I, you know, I don't know what to tell you man i come back to the city i think about my past here i think about living

on the lower east side you know less than a mile away from where i am right now in the nicest hotel room i've ever been in my life sitting in a fucking one roomroom apartment on the Lower East Side, waiting till 10.30 at night to go do my one spot, just sitting there with hardly a kitchen, bed on the floor, and now I'm over here. I mean, it took, what, 30 years, 35 years, but now I'm over here in this beautiful room, and I just watched an animated movie with me in it, made by DreamWorks.

Sometimes you got to be grateful. I mean, it could have gone either way it could have gone anyway it could have gone you know I could be on the wrong side of the fucking grass man we all will but I mean why ruin a moment of gratitude why ruin a moment of gratitude with death let's turn it to gratitude as know, we're in the final days of democracy and maybe the planet earth. Cause you know, the bad guys win almost always. Uh, let's find a little room for gratitude for our journeys, for our appreciation of life. Let's find a moment when, and let's listen to me and, uhris spencer lay it out lives and show business great guy funny guy uh you can see him regularly at the comedy store with me sometimes uh you can go to his twitter at the chris spencer to see where he's on tour he'll be in virginia beach this friday and

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It's over. I shot a feature. But no, today? Oh, today. I'm sorry. Yes. Today, Kevin Hart has this show called Game Face or Face Off something. Now, okay, let's just back up a minute.

How many shows does Kevin Hart have? Jesus Christ. Just when I thought he had enough, he has a virtual game show. Uh-huh. And today, Charlemagne Tha God, who's on The Breakfast Club, and then the singer Saweetie, and then me and my wife, and we played like the easiest game you've ever seen in your life. It was like... So this is a Kevin Hart game show,

and then he's got a radio thing, right? Yeah, yeah. He has everything. Yeah. I have a podcast. Not a podcast, but it was going to be a podcast. You still do the one with Al? No.

No, we were like the first. It was like me and you and somebody else. I remember. It was a podcast world star. Yeah, it was called Minivan Man. Me, Maz Jobrani, and Al. And... Al's very big now.

He's very hard to get hold of. So here was my problem with podcasts. Yeah. I didn't get it, so I was trying to be funny, and they weren't. And I was like, how come nobody's trying to be funny? Why are you guys just talking? Too much pressure. Just ease up.

Relax. I kept trying to fucking do jokes. Yeah, yeah. They were just looking at me like... You're treating it like morning radio? Exactly. Yeah. I had the little bells and shit. So what happened? relax I kept trying to fucking do jokes and they were just looking at me like you're treating it like morning radio exactly yeah I had the little

bells and shit so what happened so then I I stopped doing it and then they went on and I think they picked up I think Sully McCullough did it a few times

Sully McCullough I haven't heard that name in a while we went to college together you and Sully UCLA every time I'm hanging out with you

you always bring up dudes where I'm like what yeah that, that guy. That's our generation. Well, I mean, he was around. It's our generation. You're my age. Yeah.

Basically, I'm a few years older. Barely. But I'm 58. I'm 61. No. When did that happen? I just wanted to win. I'm 54.

But Sully, like, what's that guy doing? Sully's writing, producing. Doing all right? Yeah. You remember that big documentary? Suli's writing, producing. Doing all right? Yeah. You remember that big documentary it was a while back? I forgot it was about stand-up and Seinfeld was in it

and all these people. Yeah, he helped produce that. Yeah. And he does a lot of writing. Like, I used to see him around. It's just like, I don't know what happens to people anymore. We're fucking old.

Well, you know what? What? A lot I've noticed. I've started, as I'm, they quit. Do they? Oh, yeah. A lot of them become writers. No, I know that one. Then there's the quit. Do they? Oh, yeah. A lot of them become writers.

No, I know that one. They're the smart ones. Here's the other ones that you don't know about. They go do cruise ships. No, I know that one, too. That's a sad one. Sad, but they're still doing what they're doing. I mean, you know.

I guess it's not. I wish this was TV so they could saw your face. It's the G League but still they're playing they're playing ball I know here's what's funny

I just don't know I could never like I'm fortunate no one would ever ask me to do that or think to do it here's what's so funny I was going through

something where I couldn't get a job but I was like I'm about to do the cruise when was this before marriage and kids so that's 16 about 20 years ago

I couldn't get any of these cruisers to hire me no like that's the way I'm like damn I can't get hired on a cruise it's a blessing it's a blessing

but some of those dudes they just live with it that's just their life I guess you adapt to whatever the fuck you're gonna adapt to you ready for another name what

Steve White oh jeez he fucking even moved to Florida so he could be closer to the boats no I know a guy that did that in Portland. He's killing. Steve White.

He was like a hybrid. He was like a Warren Thomas spinoff. Jesus, great name. Yeah. Yes. Remember that guy? He was a genius. Great.

We worked together. You and Warren? We did a sketch show for Jamie Foxx we were trying to put together. This is when he was sick. Yeah. Sick and still doing drugs. Still doing drugs. Yeah.

And for those of you who don't know, Warren Thomas, was it HIV he died of? Yes, he died of HIV. He used to come to work and fuck with us. He'd have scabs and shit, and he'd be picking his scabs. And so I don't know if you know who Marcus King is. He's Jamie Foxx's manager and another writing friend of mine named Johnny Mac, who was an incredibly funny writer. And Marcus King said, listen, Warren is going to be working with us. No fucking AIDS and HIV jokes.

Just come on. He's just, you know. And we were like, cool. But Warren would go after Johnny Mac and my friend Buddy Lewis all the time. And they never went back at him because of the mandate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then one day, Johnny Mac said, fuck you, Marcus, and he fucking tore Warren a new asshole. Oh, they went at him.

He wanted to fight. Yeah, he was great, and he was an intense guy. But yeah, but I remember Steve White was like Warren Thomas Light doing that thing, that sort of pseudo-improv pace thing. Right, yes. But very fucking funny. Steve White used to make me scream. Did you ever know Reggie McFadden?

Come on! The gold digger? I get an email from him once every two years that he's got nine wives and he's in Africa. Yes. He's the Nigerian guy with the email saying he lost his money. He had that thing where he's just when he got angry

it was funny here's what's funny Reggie wasn't funny right here yeah yeah very serious and weird some comedians

have are able to manufacture the art of stand up yeah but then they're not funny people tell me about it

yeah but he's not like is it weird it's weird right but there's a lot of guys. I mean, you guys, we've been doing it a long time. I know guys that got funny. Got funny.

Yeah. And that like offstage is like nothing going on. But sometimes with those guys, you just got to get the hang of them. Right. But let me tell you what you also find out is that when you talk to their family, they go, I can't believe he's a comedian. I know. He was never funny.

But they know they are. I watched Jeff Ross get funny. I couldn't watch Jeff Ross when we started out together. Really? It was just so boring. And he had a mullet and his name was Jeff Lifsholtz. No, it wasn't. Yeah, it was.

And he's telling long stories. I'm like, why is this guy working? This is New York? Yeah. Lifsholtz. Lifsholtz. Shit. Jeff Lifsholtz.

He wasn't going to make it. No. No. No, right. I had to switch it to Ross. Lifsholtz. Shit. Jeff Liff Schultz. He wasn't going to make it. No. No. No, right. I had to switch it to Ross. Liff Schultz. Yeah. Yeah.

But that's the thing about, I guess, with you, because I don't know that we knew each other before. I remember Al mentioned you. I didn't really know you then, but I kind of remember you getting a big break and being on billboards for a thing. Right. And you had a full goatee thing going on. Right? And hair.

I used to be cute, yeah. Right, right. And it was for, was that the vibe thing? Yeah, I had a late goatee thing going on, right? And hair. I used to be cute, yeah. Right, right. And it was for, was that the vibe thing? Yeah, I had a late night talk show in 1997 for like an hour. As I started to Google you, I saw a picture of you clean faced and short hair. And I was like, oh, I remember him. Yeah. And now we've been hanging at the store for like the last five, six years.

Yeah. And it just hit me that you were him. Oh, really? Yes. That happens. That's crazy. It is. that that's you were him oh really yes that happens that's crazy it is yeah but you were always out here yeah but i would come out there and with steve go see steve and yeah and chappelle i would see you and a tell and all those guys yeah but it was crazy that i saw the short hair picture i was like that guy that's no it was like that's why i knew your voice

right right and your mannerisms right right right from back in the day back in the day yeah but like so what where the hell did you come from i'm born and raised here really yep grew up in englewood and then moved not too far from here in south pasadena went to high school there graduated from ucla where i met suly and he and i started doing stand-up well it's a family situation both your parents from here both jamaican they're both jamaican both jamaican they talk like jamaican like jamaican yeah yeah with the accent yeah my dad's accent is stronger than my mom's but it's a great accent it's a great accent yeah um but did you have it never and even when i try to do it yeah i sound good to you yeah but if some jamaican people were here and they'd be like are you from ireland like why is your accent what's wrong where are you from

australia because that shit is not us how many siblings do you have um i hate saying it like this but i have to say it like this i have a sister that we both have same mom and dad yeah and then i have a brother who my dad remarried and i have a stepsister okay well none of them are in show business none of them are in show business? None of them are in show business. So how does this start? Englewood, what was the neighborhood like? So Englewood is hood, but not really. Yeah. Parts of it.

There's definitely hood parts. Yeah. So it was like hood with both parents. Right. You know what I mean? Like you had Crips and Bloods who had a pool. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Right. It was a great living environment. My block was like a lot of middle class, working class people. Yeah. There's a lawyer here and there's a dentist over there and there's a mailman here and then there's some drug dealers right here. Not far. My mom had the greatest intuition on when to move.

Yeah. Crack came to Inglewood in February of 83. You know the month. March of 83. It was like Valentine's Day or something? No, it came on Groundhog's Day. Yeah. It came, and we moved February 83, and Crack came March of 83.

Like, literally, I saw all of my friends starting to make money, and then them telling me stories about, you know who's smoking. You know who's doing it. How old were you? Let's see. 84, 16. Yeah. Wow. 15, 16 when we moved in.

So you saw people go down? I didn't see it. I missed it. But you had friends. I had friends. And here's what's funny. So I was selling weed. Yeah.

You know, it was, you know. You can say that. Everybody did. Statute of limitations on that. Yeah. It was, yeah, 16, 1983, guys, 82. And, you know, everybody did. Yeah. You know, it was, you know. You can say that. Everybody did. Statute of limitations on that. Yeah, it was 1983, guys, 82. And, you know, everybody did. Yeah.

And then the next thing, of course, crack came and my friends were selling crack. Yeah. And so I was recently at a funeral and this guy saw me and he goes, what's your name, man? I was like, Chris. He's like, Spencer. I'm like, yeah. He goes, yeah, you moved to, you and your family moved to like this white neighborhood, right? I was like chris he's like spencer i'm like yeah he goes yeah you moved to you and your family moved to like this white neighborhood right i was like yeah he goes oh man thank god

you moved i go why he said you would have been a kingpin i was like what kind of compliment this was that yeah he was like yeah you were always smarter than us you would have made some fucking money i was like kingpin so i and it's so funny in my head i'm always wondering who would i have been what i was a little too scared to do too much dangerous shit but yeah who would i have been would i have been the connector like you know this person needs that meet them on crenshaw 113th yeah you know i don't know who i would have been so i've always it's always plagued me like damn i wonder yeah i always play that game with like who would i have been if i had confidence you have confidence i do now

but if i like if i was self-assured when i was like 20 right can you imagine oh my god yes if i knew what the fuck you know how to organize my life no i listened to you and santino and you had said i just finally i just figured out show business three years ago and i fucking screwed sometimes it happens later dude i mean but you know I mean, like you can be in it. I mean, if anyone knows, you know where you think you got these opportunities. You just realize that you're a fucking puppet. Exactly. And the only way to get out of being a puppet is to do your own thing or make a lot of money for somebody.

Yes. Yeah. But if you get run up the flagpole and no one's like, man, salute that flag. Fuck, yeah. Showcase after showcase agent after agent manager after uh you know what i need new pictures remember that dude that was their excuse for us why you're not getting no work you gotta get some new head i i was thinking the other day about when i my manager who was dave becky the biggest manager in show business couldn't

get me a fucking break you know but i remember he's you got to do a VH1 once you do these things. These like interstitial things. But not the funny show thing. It was before those things. It was just basically a VJ job. So he said, just do a couple. Maybe you'll find, you can be yourself. And I'm throwing, I'm like talking about Toni Braxton.

I don't know who she is today. Hilarious. And he's like, that's great. But I like to think he's like, it's a great gig. And I'm like, this is the fucking worst. Right. Because they all think they know what you are. Right.

But you don't know. And they certainly don't fucking know. And you just sort of do it. Because you want to check. Yeah. Or you want to break. You want to break. You know, it's like the money.

Yeah, sure. I'll take money. But it was like, if I was only in it for the money, why would I do this? Right. You want a break. You know, it's like the money. Yeah, sure, I'll take money. But it was like, if I was only in it for the money, why would I do this? Right. You want a break. That's a fucking good sentence. Right? You want a break.

That's all. Like, you know, I want something to stick, man. Why can't I be the guy that everybody, you know, was talking about? I remember when I got the late night talk show. Vibe. Vibe, yes. And I thought. What year is that?

1997. So what's going on? What's the idea? We need a black late night show. Exactly. Our city had just retired. Yeah. And it was like, you know what?

There's a void in an urban late night. Yeah. So they hired me to do Vibe. Yeah. But at the same fucking time, they hired Keenan Ivory Wayans to do the Keenan Ivory Wayans show. I remember that. And we launched

at the same time on the same day. Yeah. So basically this different networks this small underserved black audience

now had to choose between me and Kenan. And so I did 11 weeks Kenan went on and then I remember I got replaced by Sinbad and then Sinbad and Kenan battle

and then Sinbad was gone. What networks were these? Kenan was gone. I was syndicated. Yeah. Kenan was on Fox. Yeah. And then- So that was after In Living Color.

Oh, yeah. After In Living Color. Right. Then we all went away. And then Magic was there. Oof. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's just kind of- What happened? Magic. Yeah. Anyway, it was just things that were like, who can we get more popular in black? Yeah. Magic. But Kenan,

I remember when I was a doorman at the comedy store, I'd see him do stand-up sometimes. He's like the mystery man in a way. Right, right. Do you know what I mean? But I remember he came, he was hosting that show for a minute. Right.

But Kenan was the guy that discovered writing was his ticket early. Yeah. You know what I mean? He was writing with Eddie, writing with Townsend. Yeah, yeah right right the hollywood shuffle yeah and then his brother damon of course i used to watch him all the time i used to watch him when i was a doorman i used to watch him all the time you were a doorman at the comedy store i was 86 87 wow yeah that's where

that's where i yeah i right after college i went and you know just got all fucked up on blow with canison and all them but i I was the door guy, right? So I was there and I was watching everybody. Where's that script? I don't know. Does anyone give a shit? Yes. Look at my face.

You're fucking doing cocaine with Kennison? It's like almost famous, but with comedians. I learned a couple of lessons. Like, you know, never be part of an entourage. Sorry, man. Is that going to? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. I purposely make sure I'm not in an entourage. Sorry, man. Is that going to? No, no, no, no. No, no, no.

I purposely make sure I'm not in an entourage. Good, good. I'm friends with, I go have Christmas with Jamie Foxx, and then I go have Thanksgiving with Kevin. Yeah. And then I go play golf with Cedric, but I'm not in. Nobody can say, this is my clique. I'm in the clique.

Well, you don't want to be the guy that's like, Chris, do you want to go get the, no. You heard in the podcast with Kevin, it was like, I'm never going to be the guy when you go, Chris, hold my phone. Fuck that. No. No, I'd rather be broke. So, okay, so you get out of Englewood and then where do you move? I moved to South Pasadena. That's where you grew up then a little bit.

Englewood. 16. Yeah, two years. Graduated, went to PCC, Pasadena City College. What'd your dad do? My father was a I want to say entrepreneur

but you have to be successful right sure yeah he had businesses an idea man yes furniture store restaurant

I love that creating a board game oh really the board game yeah he has a new recipe for fried chicken the one that's gonna

take over the world yes he's like can you get this to somebody I'm like I chicken. The one that's going to take over the world? Yes. He's like, can you get this to somebody? I'm like, I can't. That's recent. Yes. He still, he just mentioned, he didn't mention the chicken.

He mentioned the board game the other day. No. Have you tried the fried chicken? It's fucking incredible. It is. It's fucking incredible. What makes it good? I think he put sugar in it. I don't know.

He did something. He's cheating because his shit, I got diabetes immediately. I think he put sugar in it. I don't know. He did something. He's cheating because his shit, I got diabetes immediately. I don't know what it is. The board game. Have you played the board game? Yeah, the board game is great. It is? I haven't played it in 30 years.

He goes, I dusted it off. Yeah. I was like, what? What's it called? You count. Yeah. That's all right. No, I mean, literally, he paid a lot of money to get this board. It looks professionally done. Yeah. That's all right. No, I mean,

literally, he paid a lot of money to get this board. It looks professionally done. Yeah. And it's like, I think it's time. And it'd be fucking,

what if it is time? You know what I mean? I should probably go take a look at it. So that's going to happen? Yes. I should call him right now. If I called him right now,

you'd laugh at hearing me. But when he was trying to put it together, did he sit you guys down? We were kids. Yeah. We're talking like 40 years ago. Right.

Yes. We're soon rich. You count is going to take us out tonight. We didn't live in a hood, but. Yeah. Yeah. But the restaurant, like it's kind of, it must be kind of fun to have a dad. Furniture stores.

Just fucking does everything. Furniture. This is what we're doing now. Yes. But most, his biggest job, which he wasn't good at, was gambling. Oh, really?

He had that thing? Oh, my God. The race, he was a horse guy. Oh. I'm so glad I never got that one. Me either.

I mean, like some guys got it so bad. A lot of our friends. I know. Like when poker came, oh, my God. Let's forget. I'm just too volatile. I can't pretend. Yes. I don't like losing money. I when poker came. Oh my God. Forget. I'm just too volatile.

I can't pretend. Yeah. I don't like losing money. I don't either. And my ADD can't let me sit at this table that goddamn long. No, I can't do that. Even if I go to Vegas and I lose like $500, I'm like that. I'm done.

That's the worst. Yeah. It's the worst. Yeah. I guess I've never won enough money to justify the excitement of doing it. And then you have friends like your aunt. I want $16,000 on the slots. And then here's what's funny. People go,

which machine? Like that machine's about to pay out again. Well, that's good. What'd your mom do? My mom worked for Delta Airlines for 35... Whoa, no. Remember Western Airlines? Yeah. The only way to fly. She worked for Western and then she got bought by Delta. She worked there for 36, 37 years. They took care of her?

Took care of her. That's great. I can still get passes if I want to. You can? But I will not. Why? Because I'm tortured as a kid. When what? When people used to tap us on the shoulder and go some full paying passes. Just want your seat. That's one. Second, about 25 years ago, I said, you know what?

I'm gonna take a pass. And one of the people from Delta called my cousin and said, it was right after vibe. And I was like, Chris, is your cousin okay? And they're like, what? Yeah, he's flying non-rev. He's like, what? Yeah, he had to get a buddy pass to come to Atlanta. Does he need anything?

I'm like, tell him my fucking mom works for the airlines because I couldn't tell him anything. So I'm like, I'm never taking a pass again. Pride is going to stop you from taking a pass. I can afford first class, man.

I'm taking first class every time. That's the best. Every time. Every time. Every time. Yeah. I mean,

I don't like, you know, I don't have a wife or family or dad. Like, there's only a few things where I'm like, I'm going to do that.

Right. But here's what's messed up now. First class ain't that special. I mean, they're starting to give us food again. Yeah, a little. But for a while, it was like coach with bigger seats. You know what I mean? Well, it depends where you're going because some of those first class where you get your own apartment.

Yes. Those are nice. So I've been studying. I have a friend who told me about, he's a seat guru or one of them. She goes on there and sees the plane, and then she figures out the trip. Right. She's like, oh, 777 at 1215? That's the plane I'm taking.

Because she knows the real perks. Yes. But I don't like, then there's a concierge. And now, well, these are, we're about to sort of explore the area of hack bits. Yes. Like the concierge, like who gets seated? Who does that bit? I don't know, but I'm sure 25 people do. Yeah. Like you concierge, like who gets seated, who does that bit? I don't know,

but I'm sure 25 people do. Yeah. Like you just don't, you're not important. I remember the first time I saw somebody, it was Queen Latifah. Yeah.

I'm sitting in whatever. Yeah. And all of a sudden, I saw her early and all of a sudden, I didn't see her and then I saw her in the seats. I was like,

how'd you get here? And she just kind of smiled. I was like, they fucking drove her around and she went up into the plane. And then that happened to me once and I was like, how'd you get here? And she just kind of smiled. I was like, they fucking drove her around and she went up into the plane. And then that happened to me once and I was like, oh.

You did that once? One time I was late for a plane and they were like, a Porsche Cayenne pulled up. I said, Mr. Spencer? I go, yeah,

this way. And they took me outside and went around, I got in a car and they drove me across the airport into another plane. Really?

I was like, how do I get this all the time? They go, you can't. And then they took off. Who set that up for you? I have no clue. Because that happens. Now there's that place where you can go at the airport and you just sit there and you

can shower or whatever, whatever the fuck that is. Right. Like Gavin DeBecker, his company, right, started that thing where it's like some sort of concierge service. They should have been at that. You pay thousands of dollars a year. I'm going to shower before I leave. Huh?

Yeah. How about that? I'll just shower before you leave the hotel. I don't know what the perks are. Right. I just know, I'm just excited I have the global entry card. The TSA makes me very excited. So I have a wife.

Yeah. And she doesn't have global entry. Oh. I've been telling her for six years. Wow. And the was a long-ass line and I'm almost was like bye Oh, no, I'll see you later. Like we had clear. Yeah, but now I had to do because she didn't have she didn't have a TSA Yeah, that's where you just gotta go see on the other side. I wanted to leave her you couldn't do it She told me to go. Yeah, but she said it like that. I was like, oh Be right here. Just go I was like I'll be right here just go

and I was like motherfucker I've been telling your ass why were you pouting I was just looking at her like cause it was a lot you know and she's got the little booties

that she made and I'm like I don't normally take off my shoes honey oh yeah I can't I don't like to take mine off they always got metal in them

anyway so and a knife no no it's just like I wear boots oh right right right I don't like to take mine off. They always got metal in them. Anyway, so- And a knife? No? No, it's just like I wear boots. Oh, right, right, right. I don't wear sneakers. And I don't like to pack shoes, so I'm going to wear the shoes that I wear.

I don't want sneakers. I love your gear. Oh, thanks, buddy. It's like Dean Del Rey gear. Yeah, well, that's who got me these. That's who he set me up with the guy. Yeah. These shoes.

Yeah. But I get mine dirty. He doesn't get anything dirty. Oh, no, he's clean. Totally. Him and his little French bulldog. Yeah, no scuffed Dean the guy. Yeah. These shoes. Yeah. But I get mine dirty. He doesn't get anything dirty. Oh, no. He's clean. Totally. Him and his little French. Yeah, no scuff Dean, man.

No. No scuff Dean. It's all about resale with Dean. Right. As long as he doesn't fuck things up, he can sell it. He's one of those guys. Yeah. My daughter's like that.

Really? She buys and trades sneakers all the time. And sometimes she walks so she won't wrinkle them. And I'm like, just fucking wear the shoes. Yeah. Yeah, my kids have a better sneaker collection than me i don't know about sneakers no no i stopped a long time ago i wear them when i exercise and that's it but i have no fashion sense of sneakers i saw you and uh who was who are you talking to that night about oh jeremiah jeremiah jeremiah yeah you had on some sweet sneakers I was like I didn't expect him

To have those I was like Where the fuck What were they Where'd you win these Yeah What were they He had on some kind of

Nikes that I had never seen See what do What do Nikes make 10, 20 things a month Or what Is there a new Nike Oh more than that Oh really

See this is The downside of not having kids Right Is I don't know What the fuck is happening Trust me Cause they drive the whole world They do So like I don't know what the fuck is happening. Trust me. Because they drive the whole world.

They do. So like I'm completely out of the loop. Yeah. Zero. I never thought I'd be this guy but I'll be dancing

and my daughter will be like don't do that. I'm like I'm a good dancer and she goes yeah maybe an 87. I'm like fuck. Literally when I get dressed

I go knock on her door and ask her how does this look. Yeah. How does that go? She's like take those off. You can't wear that.

And I listen to it. Is she right? Every time. So when do you start doing comedy? When the hell does that happen? That happened in college at UCLA. Sully and I would go around. Fraternity houses would have Rush Week.

God, what year is that, dude? This is 1988. So you've really been doing it as long as I have, right? Rush, and then they would have you know all the guys come to see if they want to join

this fraternity they'd have shows but you guys weren't doing open mics you're jumping right in and then we did the natural fudge and open mic

at the comedy store and laugh factory and all the sign ups we did all that shit in 88, 89? 80, 89, yeah shit that's right when I left

that's right when I fucking freaked out on cocaine and left really? maybe 86, 87 LA just became, that's right when I left. That's right when I fucking freaked out on cocaine and left. Really? Maybe 86, 87. LA just became too much for you? I didn't know what the fuck I was doing, man. You know, I graduated college in 86.

Where'd you go? BU. I'm a little drunky already. Right. And I just, like, I go home for the summer, and then I come out here, audition for Mitzi, and by a freaky way, you know know circuitous or whatever the word is way you know I end up getting a job as a doorman you know because she remembers me right the weird I did I auditioned for her right when I got out here and I didn't even know what I was doing

and then I got a job as a PA on something she was producing just by coincidence so I went and said you remember me she's like oh yeah why don't you be a doorman so there I was I said, do you remember me? She's like, oh, yeah. Why don't you be a doorman? So there I was. I was a doorman, 87. Peak Kennison, peak dice, peak drugs, peak crazy, peak porn. It was fucking crazy. And then you said, I got to get the fuck out of LA so I can get my life back. I lost my mind. Really? Yeah.

Now, was it just party and party and party? I was living in Cresthill, dude. I was living in the house behind the comedy store. So I can, like, that was like- You were there? Yeah. So that was like the party central. I'd be the guy that Sam would have go buy all the booze and get the house set up.

So it's just like, I was not getting any sleep and I started to hear voices in my head and I had, and then I had a falling out with all those weirdos. And the story is, is sort of like, I was in the parking lot of a store losing my mind, breaking glasses and shit, like losing it. And the drug dealer came, pulled up, and I'm like, dude, man, fuck them. They fucked up and they fucking fucked me up. And the drug dealer said, you got to go do your own thing. So when the drug dealer tells you to go, wow, it's time to go.

So I literally packed up my car and gave away a bunch of shit and just like left out of my mind. Took me years to get my mind back. And you were doing standup in Boston? I went home to Albuquerque. Oh, Albuquerque. Yeah, and then I cleaned up that first time. Then I went to Boston

and just started up again. Yeah, in 88, I came in second in a big competition. I started working 88. Who beat you? Sue McGinnis. Sue McGinnis. Doesn't, you wouldn't know.

You know what's funny? Second place guys are usually the ones that blow up. I did that in the San Francisco too competition. Chris Tucker, second place. Soul Train competition. Yeah. Martin Lawrence. Yeah.

What was it called? Three stars. I'll give you three stars. Star Search. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Second place is the guy. Did you ever do a contest? Yeah.

What? Just a little local. Oh, not televised? No. Second place is the guy. Did you ever do a contest? Yeah. What? Just a little local. Oh, not televised? No. I couldn't do that. I couldn't do it. It's so sad. Yeah.

Wow. All right, so you're doing open mics. Doing open mics, doing stand-up. Then I get discovered. Have you ever done a special? I shot one. I showed a half hour about, how old is my daughter? 14, 15.

Feels like you need a special I do need a special I'm shooting one in June yeah I'm gonna shoot one in June alright yeah

so so you're doing the open mics and what happens and then I get seen by a manager named J.P. Williams yeah who

was Jeff Foxworthy's manager and he's like I got an idea oh I think I know this guy yeah he had me open up for Jeff Foxworthy so I. And he's like, I got an idea. Oh, I think I know this guy. Yeah. He had me open up for Jeff Foxworthy. So I was the opening act on the- Before he was redneck?

Before he was- On the redneck tour. Not the blue collar tour. It was a redneck tour and I was the opening act. So he'd already had the hook. He had the hook. He had the book. The books and everything.

Oh, shit. I did one of my first middle spots when I was back in Albuquerque after I left L.A. when I started doing comedy for him before he had the hook. He's a nice guy then. Such a nice guy. Was he then too? Always. Oh, all right.

So you're the guy? I'm the guy. I'm the opening act on the Redneck Tour. How'd that go? It was weird. Yeah. Like we'd be in an audience. After the show, people are are like you were funny black comedian

and we're like thanks white cowboy black comedian that's how they would say black comedian you were funny I didn't think you'd be funny

how did they not think you'd be funny I don't know so how long did you do that for probably a year two years and that guy

managed you yep so you were making money opening for Jeff Foxworthy yeah making money and then I started opening for Damon that's something to watch that guy managed you? Yep. So you were making money opening for Jeff Foxworthy. Yeah, making money. And then I started opening for Damon.

That's something, huh? To watch that guy. He did some wrong-minded shit, but it was so great. Way early, right? And I used to want to be him. I was like, I... He was so great to fucking watch. Yeah, physical.

Oh, yeah, totally. Good right. Totally. He used to say, if I don't sweat tonight, I don't have a good set. And he would like to sweat. He loves to stand up. Love stand up. So you're opening for him on the road? On the road. Was he big? Me and Sean. If I don't sweat tonight, I don't have a good set. He would like to sweat. He loves stand-up. Loves stand-up. So you're opening for him on the road?

Was he big? Me and Sean. Yeah, this was like Living Color. You and Sean? Sean? Sean Wayans' brother, yep. Before Marlon was doing stand-up? Before Marlon wasn't even thinking about stand-up.

Sean was okay, I guess, right? Sean was an incredible writer. Yeah. Yeah. And Sean sometimes would just fucking, he would blow all of us away. Yeah. So that was after Living Color? Living Color was still on. Yeah. But Sean sometimes would just fucking, he would blow all of us away. Yeah. So that was after Living Color? Living Color was still on.

Yeah. But not with Damon. Damon had gotten to a point where he was coming back and they were giving him $75,000 a sketch. Wow. I thought that was a million dollars a sketch. It is a million dollars a sketch. Isn't it? It felt like it.

I was like $75,000. So you're just the opening guy? I'm the opening guy. Are you starting to get bitter? Not at all. I'm fucking excited. Are you having a good time? I'm learning how to dress, fly like him.

He would shop. I had never seen anybody shop without trying shit on. He'd be like, give me this, give me this, give me this, give me this, give me this, give me this, give me this. And we'd be out of town. I'm like, what if it doesn't fit? He goes, I'll give it to Marlon. I'm like, fuck, you got money. I'll give it to Marlon. I'm like, fuck, you got money. I'll give it to Marlon.

And then we would do theater dates, and sometimes you get paid in cash. I'm like, oh, this is where I'm supposed to be. Yeah. So what were your, how much time did you have? I did 15. Yeah? 15, 20. And that's how you started? Like you didn't have to do, like you didn't work out that much before that?

I mean, I was still doing local spots here. Yeah? And I was a regular at the Laugh Factory and Amprof. I improv i wasn't a comedy store guy yeah i never went to those other places i never i thought the comedy store was dirty it is i was like these these aren't my kind of comedians they weren't you know i thought i was i was trying to be seinfeld i had the little jacket on and everything i could never deal with the laugh factory and i never the improv is always too much pressure and you're gonna get bumped by fuckers right and it was never a good room no

especially the one in Santa Monica oh that's different that was a big place yeah that was fun that's where they shot the show yeah I did the evening at the improv down there it's a little better down there

listen you can go online right now and see your old evening at the improv I know I can see I put them on my website oh really yeah they're there I saw mine I'm not ashamed of them oh shit yes it's so funny all of us the clothes are awful oh terrible i remember i bought a stussy shirt down the street i took the i took the uh the the bus back

to a hotel with the woman who became my first wife after my evening at the improv i took a bus to a shitty... I didn't know how anything worked. Isn't that funny? You just fucking were on TV. Get on a bus. High fives. Kinda.

And then... Yeah, just take the bus like an idiot. Yeah. I mean, it's not like I was broke. I could have... You could have took a cab. Yeah, I just needed to humble myself somehow. I don't want to get too big-headed.

And you did it. I did it. You did a good job up like yourself. Yeah, I just needed to humble myself somehow. I don't want to get too big headed. And you did it. I did it. You did a good job up like yourself. Yeah, still doing it. Fucking bust. Yeah, I watch those things. And I always think like, you know, I didn't know who I was or whatever. But like I watch and I'm like, that's me.

Yeah. It's really weird to watch them. And it's sort of, I'm just not confident. And I'm like, you know, I got jokes. Right. Like I watch me like when I'm younger and I'm like, you know, I've got jokes. Right. Like, I watch me, like, when I'm younger and I'm like, I was doing this thing. Right. Like, it was my life.

Because I'm sort of like, I'm doing that repeating thing that you do when you do too much road. Right. You know, I'm talking about like milkshakes, right? Milkshakes. Everybody likes milkshakes or whatever the fuck it is. Right. But I'm doing all those tricks and I'm like, wow. Right.

Because you want to fucking, because on the road, you're because on the road you just want to get that time done you want to figure it out were you a big road comic no because I never understood that you had to do well to be asked back I had this idea that's hilarious that's fucking hilarious

I was just sort of like I'm going to be me man and it was not great that's funny you had to do well to be me, man. Right. And it was not great. That's funny. You have to do well to be asked. He called you once. He should call me again. That's right.

I'm me, man. And now it's all about the fucking numbers. They could care less if you're funny. Zero. They care less if you're a comedian. Right. What did you do? You do dog tricks?

Perfect. Can you sell tickets? Can you sell tickets? I remember when the first soap opera people started coming around. Or in Boston. And then there was also, remember the trend where the stars' brothers? Like, you know, Tom Hanks' brothers. I used to hope with him.

You what? Yeah. At Damon Wayans' house, actually. With the Hanks' brother? Jim Hanks. There was other guys. Like, there was a guy named Mark Godier, who was a comedy store guy. Long-haired guy.

Kind of looked like Jackson Perdue. Last I heard, he was like a fisherman. And I'm like, that lucky fuck. You know, like, to just turn your back on this shit, when you know it's over, and be like, I'm gonna be a fisherman. I bet he's happy as fuck. Well, he's a fisherman. It's like, got nothing to do with this shit.

You're not sitting around going like, fuck! But okay, so you're coming up and you're opening for Damon. So when do you start getting some juice? I start booking some little sitcoms and some commercials. 97, I guess, would be the big break, if you want to call it. That's the vibe break? That's the vibe break.

But you're doing like walk-on bits? Walk-on bits. I did, oh, remember Claudio Lano? Yeah, of course. Yeah, Claudia Lano had a show called, I can't remember. She had a show on Showtime. I can't imagine it. And I was on there.

I think I did an episode or two. Yeah. But every now and then, you know, I'd pop up. I was in the movie The Sixth Man, and I did a lot of stuff with the Wayans family. Don't Be a Menace to South Central. I did Lowdown Dirty Shame. I did Blank Man. I did Don't Be a Menace to South Central While Drinking Your Juice in the Hood.

So you're in with those guys. I was an honorary. I would walk around with my eyes kind of slanted so people would think I was a Wayans. So that's Damon, Kenan, Marlon, the other one. Sean. Sean. And Kim. Those are all the ones that perform.

Right. But now the cousin. I interviewed the cousin. Yes. The gay cousin. Shantae. Shantae. Yeah, Shantae.

She's funny as shit. She's great. She is funny. And then Damon Jr.'s funny as shit. I don't know if I've seen Damon Jr. Oh, my God. He's brilliant. Yeah?

He reminds you of Damon. It's spooky. Oh, really? Oh, my God. Damon, there's no one really that funnier than Damon, really, on a good night, right? No. It's so great to watch those fuckers. That was what was great about the comedy store.

Yes. Watching people. Well, even guys like that. When I was there, Candace broke. Right. Right? He was on the road when I got there, and I didn't really even like him. I'd seen him on TV on the Rodney thing or whatever.

Right. But I remember going to Carl LeBeau's apartment. Carl LeBeau. Yeah, he just died. And to watch the premiere of the HBO special that Sam had shot at the Roxy. And I just remember that there seemed to be like a thousand pieces of sushi. It took up most of the apartment. But everyone was so jacked on blow.

No one could eat any of it. And it just sat there. Like that part of comedy I've never even seen. What? The drugs and the alcohol and the partying and the girls. But the girls wasn't really. I don't know. It was never that glamorous when we were doing blow.

No, it's just a bunch of dudes sitting around for three days doing blow. Talking. Listening to Sam talk. With no blow jobs? There's no girls anywhere? You've never done coke? Never. It takes a lot of work. Well, I mean, Sam would have a girl or two around, but no, there was no

it was no glamour to it. We were up in Crest Hill. One night we decided to burn the furniture in the fireplace. So, so you know that's the kind of mitzi fucking we could she just got so mad i'm like i don't know what happened who else was living there where's polly oh the fuck knows polly was 12 you know he just started doing the bit right with the hat and it was not even yeah yeah it'd be like a little before the weasel he had a composite headshot you know with the

like the different yes five pictures filling up a gas tank and then holding a cheeseburger exactly that's funny

Polly no who was living up there Todd remember the Todd Fat Todd the Todd yes the Todd

yes he was who I lived with oh my god and Schubert lived there for a minute. Uh-huh. Nancy Redman. Uh-uh. Tamayo Atsuki.

Tamayo. Yeah, who Sam used to fuck, right? So that's why he would always party up there. Like, we'd do blow for a day, and then he'd end up pounding on our door. Tamayo! It's a fucking nightmare. Was the house big? Yeah.

I lived in Dice's old room. I remember one time he came up there and he's like, you ever get a blow job in the tub? I'm like, I haven't done that yet. Wait, Dice lived there too? Briefly, yeah. Back in the day. Right.

Yeah. I had a good room. Remember Angel Salazar? Angel. Check it out. Yes. Did you ever see any good comedy fights? Any comedian's box?

Yeah, there was a big night that i've talked about many times where it was like just sam beating up a satanist do you remember larry scarano he's this little guy from philly i think he used to work at the store he's so funny because i ran into him years later he's a guy that thinks everybody stole everything from him i know a couple people like that like you know but dude, this guy literally said, yeah, you know when a cop drives by and you hear the sirens and say, that's my ride? It's mine. So he thinks the grocery cart hitting the back of your ankles is too?

He was funny. Really? I think I ran into him. I think he was driving a cab or something. Now we're going to get, you know what's going to happen with this episode is I'm going to get emails. Oh, yes. And people are going to tell me what they're doing. Right. Or people are going to get... You know what's going to happen with this episode is I'm going to get emails. Oh, yes. And people are going to tell me what they're doing.

Right. Or people are going to say, like, I know that guy. That's good. Sure, man. It's nice to know people are still alive. Dude, I once middled in Albuquerque for Vince Champ. Vince Champ! What a fucking story.

It's crazy. That's the craziest story ever because he was a square. Totally. By day. By night. A rapist. A rapist. story that's crazy that's the craziest story ever because he was a square totally by day by night and then a rapist a rapist like in the worst fucking horrendous college music departments jesus that guy was like a bad impressionist he did dumb characters was clean talk like a white guy corny as fuck. Yeah. They did, I don't know if an expose. They did something on him.

He looks so fucking crazy now. He's been in prison for what? 20 some odd years? At least. Is he never getting out? I don't think so. I don't know. All right, so it's 97.

You get the vibe break after doing this and that. I do that for 11 weeks and then I'm back hitting the pavement. Oh, but dude, how fucking horrible was that? Poor me. Oh, there's my son calling, saying, who's picking me up? Are you supposed to be picking him up? Yep. What time is it? 445.

What time are you supposed to pick him up? I don't know. He's probably saying I'm ready now. Really? Yeah. But we were supposed to do this at 6. Did you think you'd be done? No.

Well, I had pushed everything, and then my wife was going to, I would have picked him up and been here at 6. But then my wife decides that she's going to a dinner. So he's just going to have to wait? I guess he'll have to wait a couple minutes. Where is he? In school. Now I feel pressured.

Don't feel pressured. Oh, he'll be all right? Let me text him, tell him to Uber. There you go. See, we can't do that. We'd have to be, we'd have to take the bus. Yeah, or get a ride with your friends, parents. Here's my son.

I'm done. Hold on. How old's he? 16. Greatest kid in the world. Really? Thank God. He's like a young me.

You know, good for you for having kids and having them turn out okay. They're great, great kids. Yeah? I'm so fortunate. Yeah, man. I mean, they're not as great as when people tell me about them. You know what I mean?

Like, they have a different... Let me take that back. No, they're great. Yes. I know they're great as when people tell me about them. You know what I mean? Like they have a different, let me take that back. No, they're great. Yes. I know they're great because when they're out and other people say, your kids did X, Y, and Z. They helped me with this. And you know, I have a toddler and you know, they just, they're very mannerly. They're good people.

Are both your folks still alive? Yeah. So they got grandparents? They got grandparents on both sides. They got relationships with that? And I had two great dads. Yeah. Yeah.

The stepfather. Oh, he was was a good one great one that's not yeah that's a 50 50 thing yeah he was great but like we've never had an argument yeah but i've always complained like i've wrote a book i had two dads but none of them played catch with me right like yeah my stepfather was like kind of hands off like you have a dad i'm just here to pay bills and take care of you. Yeah, right. Blah, blah, blah. And then my father was like, fuck it. You got a stepfather. You can pay for that shit.

I never had no birds and the bees talk from anybody. My first sip, cigarette, whatever dads and sons do, there's some shit I missed. Yeah. But it seems like you turned out all right. I turned out pretty fucking good. I had a great mom. So the vibe thing just craps out pretty quick. Cra out and you were on billboards dude how old were you no i was on billboards the word vibe so this is when i knew some shit was fucked up two things let me

know one they had billboards of keenan and then they had the word vibe with white people written in the letters no pictures of me i was like like, oh, this is a sign. Right? I was in magazines and stuff, but this is like advertisements. Right. And then there was a big ass party for Vibe, for Chris Spencer's coming out party. Yeah. It's at the Peterson Museum. Do you know where I'm going with this?

Nope. Peterson Museum is, I go there. Where is it? This is where Biggie got shot. Oh. That's why they had it there? This is at had it there? It was a Vibe magazine party. And so I thought this was my party. I go there and there's pictures of everybody but me.

There's pictures of Puffy. There's pictures of Mary J. Blige. There's pictures of Tony Braxton. So the writing was on the wall already before it even started? I felt shit early. Listen to this. I remember the first show. They didn't even start off with me.

It was Quincy Jones interviewing Bill Clinton via satellite. Yeah. We do the show. It was a credible show. Whoopi was on it. Fucking, I don't know. It was a big ass show. But you're hosting it.

Now I come out. Quincy introduces me. Yeah. Right? They're like, the world knows Quincy. Let's have Quincy start. So that happens. We're at the uh the first meeting

of the morning i get a phone call they're like chris rock's on the phone yeah i go what chris rock wants to talk to you i'm like okay he goes yo he goes what the fuck are you doing yeah and what are you talking about he said what the fuck are you doing he said i said what he goes you had the president of the united states on your tv show i go yeah that was quincy's friend he wanted to he goes let me ask you something when you see the president on tv what do you do i go i turn the channel he goes and that's what motherfuckers was doing last night i was like shit how did he get the number because it wasn't we weren't having it wasn't cell phones this motherfucker called the vibebe office. Interesting.

And you'd not met him before? Yeah, we were friends. Oh, okay, okay. But the fact that he called the office to say, bring the phone to Chris. Well, do you think it was like, how much of that becomes like a community thing? Like, you know, is that just a showbiz thing? Or is that sort of like, you know, we're trying to do something here. Why are you having that boring fucking president on here?

Absolutely. Why would I have the president on a late night talk show? Yeah. And then I'm not even interviewing him. This is Quincy Jones talking to Bill Clinton via satellite, a screen. Yeah. And so I remember the first hiccup. Bill goes, hey, Quincy.

He goes, what's up, Bill? And everybody's like, you're not supposed to call him by his first name but you know Quincy Jones probably funded the motherfucker you know what I mean

sure Bill don't care yeah so that was it right out of the gate boom boom then I started

doing sitcoms commercials a few movies here and there and then I started writing for a lot of people so like I was saying

you know what's great about stand up is either you blow up or maybe one of your friends blows up. Right. And so when my friends were blowing up, the Jamies, the- You're tight with Jamie?

Yeah. Yeah. So they'll get award shows or they'll get gigs and they need people to write and that's how my writing career kind of started. Right. Writing for Jamie for the ESPYs and Cedric for this award show and Steve Harvey. How's Cedric doing? He's great. Oh, good. Great guy. He is. Great guy. You've never heard anybody say and Cedric for this award show and Steve Harvey. How's Cedric doing? He's great.

Oh, good. Great guy. He is. Great guy. You've never heard anybody say fuck Cedric. That's good. Yeah. Yeah.

I remember the first time I saw Cedric, it was the Aspen Comedy Festival and it was really something because you can't breathe up there. And it was, I think it was the first year they had an urban show. Right. And it was like Cedric and Bernie Mac

in the snow. Ooh. right and it was like cedric and bernie mack in the snow oh yeah it was like i'd never seen bernie i'd never seen anything like that guy insane so good incredible from what i could understand yes there's a lot of topics that were not for um not for the aspen crowd either. I know man. But it was so funny to see them up there. I can't remember who else was on that show but it was kind of amazing.

I remember I did that fucking Aspen comedy festival. Really? As what? I took an L. Yeah? Oh yeah. What happened?

I bombed. I wanted to roll down the fucking the mountain. I'm not a festival guy. What year was that? It's hard up there man. You can't breathe up there.

I tanked so hard up there on a TV show. Damn. Ate it bad. What show? It was called Kicking Aspen. And, you know, I was all immersed in telling stories and alternative kind of shit. And a friend of mine saw it. He said, I just watched Dragging Aspen.

Yeah, you can't tell those long stories on those little short form shows. You got to go joke, joke, joke. 15 seconds. You do, man. Oh, God, did I tankman. Yeah, you can't tell those long stories on those little short form shows. You got to go joke, joke, joke. 15 seconds. You do, man. Oh, God, did I tank bad. Yeah. I've eaten some serious shit on television. So, okay, so vibe craps out.

Is this when you thought about doing the boats? No, a little bit later. But were you headlining, dude? So I never really did the road like people did the road. Because I think that's why I can never place you. Yes, I didn't do the road. But did the road like because i think that's why i couldn't like i can never place you yes i didn't do the road but did you have the time specialty gigs i should have done the road you had the time i should of course yeah and you're talking about the time to do it or the 45 minutes 45 hour i don't know because i was a 20 minute champion right but you know i had it because whenever i had to do some corporate shit for an hour I did it but I just never did

the road. I think I was spoiled because the road money a whole week equaled exactly what Damon or Chris Rock or somebody was paying me to open for them. Dude I never knew how much those fuckers were making on the road until I started making money on the road. Like you know you'd middle for

a guy and they'd give you a foot. Back when I was post boom but you could still make maybe on the road. Like, you know, you'd middle for a guy and they'd give you a foot. Like, back when, you know, I was post-boom, but you could still make maybe 800 bucks for a Wednesday through Sunday middle with a little bit of travel.

And these fuckers would come in, Jake Johansson, Rich Jenny, these guys. Jake Johansson! Right. So you're like,

you know, what are these? And then all of a sudden, when I start doing door deals now, I'm like, is this what these motherfuckers were making then? 80% of the door?

And they were walking away with a fortune, some of those guys in the 80s. I never got it. I thought it was just sort of like, well, they must get like 1,400. Jake Johansson. Because when I started headlining as a non-draw, you know, like if you got 1,750, you're like, holy shit, man. Good week. And the fucking, and the condo? Mm-hmm.

I never did the condo either. You missed out a whole chunk. I missed out on shit. I never was a road dog, but I definitely did it. Right. You know, most, yeah. Did you sell merch back then? I sold merch up till, like, I was selling merch more recently, I think.

When I was doing the road, right when the podcast started, I had buttons. I had fucking shirts. Yeah, think when I was doing the road right when the podcast started I had buttons I had fucking shirts yeah I'd show up at the hotel I never had a road manager because I I just never thought to do that shit because like I wasn't making that much money right you know you'd have the fucking boxes shipped to the hotel you never had all these sizes it's not the worst when you see people ship the boxes to the hotel and then have to ship them back because they didn't sell much of course yeah of course you like you know you got to find somebody to maybe pick it up for you yeah i found the best thing to do is posters because people want something and you just have someone design like an artist make a cool poster for the gig then it costs like a dollar a piece

you sell them for 20 you sign them at the end you meet people fucking make a couple thousand then you just posters so the picture you like whatever i just had different artists like i have fans who are artists and i just say on the podcast like design me some posters i'm going on tour so i'd have like a dozen different posters genius and i pay the artists right and then you just like it's not a big it's not there's no sizes right you know what i mean one size fits all the poster People want to walk away with something. All right. So what? No road. What are you doing then?

How do you make a living? Commercials. Oh, you did the commercials. Writing. So the writing started. Did you write for shows? I wrote a punch up for like the Wayans Brothers show. When did you get married?

When did you start having kids and shit? That was 2000. After Vibe? Oh, yeah. Vibe is 97. I got married in 06. Really huh yeah so you like kind of old i'm an older fella yeah to get married 37 38 i think it was well you knew i knew did you always want to no i wanted to be george clooney oh yeah and then it got old yeah i was like fuck either

maybe i don't have the stamina to be fucking all these girls or I need to be with one. And I always knew eventually, like I saw the picture in my head, Christmas and vacations and I wanted all that. You know what I mean? I wanted to be a whore, but I couldn't. As you get older, it's hard. And it's certainly hard now.

Yeah. And nobody, I don't think girls liked me like that. No. To be the whore guy. You know what I mean? I'm the guy. Too nice a guy? I'm not the guy.

I'm the guy at the strip club that the girl decides to take a break and come talk to. Yeah, yeah. How you doing, baby? My friends are like, I'm going to take you back to the house and do all this shit. And they come and go, you remind me of my dad. Yeah. I'm like, oh, fuck. I guess nothing's going to happen between you.

You need a ride? Unless you're fucking your dad. Which might, yes. That's probably why she with me and you. You need a ride? Unless you're fucking your dad. Which might, yes. That's probably why she's here. Yeah. So I got married and we had kids quick. Matter of fact. What did she do?

She was a casting director. Oh, really? She did Entourage. So she's still in the record. And now she's producing now. Oh, for you or you got a company? Right, right. I just directed my first feature.

Right, that's what we were talking about. Yeah. And so she started off as cast. I wrote it, yeah, with my partner, Eric Daniel. Started off as a, she cast it, and then all of a sudden, she just started fixing all these holes. You know, independent movies, shit is going awry all over the place. And she just started fixing shit, and she's like, you know what?

I need a fucking real title. And they gave it to her. Yeah, why not why not so how much did you shoot it for how much did you under 10 million that's that's that's a pretty expensive indie pretty good yeah like when i think about my friends who are big time directors now like their first movies like antoine foucault and f gary gray and malcolm lee they had like two three four million dollar movies john singletonleton. Yeah. And for me to come out the gate with a big ass movie like this,

it better be good. So you got backers and all that? Who's starring it? Wesley Snipes, Tiffany Haddish. Tiffany. And then four very funny comedians. I don't know if you know Gary Owen, Faison Love, Bill Bellamy and J.B. Smoove. Bill Bellamy. Yes. That's another one.

New York. New York, yes. Had that show. Yeah. So it's about these four male, five male exotic dancers that get back together after 30 years to help this woman save her hotel and club. And it was kind of like Magic Mike meets the Full Monty.

The original name was My Magic Johnson. Yeah. And then like an idiot, I called him to see if it was okay. And he was like, no, motherfucker, it's not okay. I was like, idiot, I called him to see if it was okay. And he was like, no, motherfucker, it's not okay. I was like, shit,

I should have just waited to get in trouble. Do you have a relationship with Magic Johnson? Yeah. You know all of these people. Black Hollywood is small. Yeah. So we're going to see. A couple of things.

I've never left LA, so I've run into people. I went to UCLA, I've run into people. Then I to UCLA, I've run into people. Then I've had a little bit of TV fame, and then I write for all the award shows. So all the award shows, I'm going to see Oprah, Will, Magic, Will.i.am, Kanye. And so I'm writing copy for them,

so I'm becoming friendly with them. And then there's an after party. And then I hosted three of the hottest urban comedy nights in LA. You did. I created Chocolate Sundays with my childhood friend, Poogie Wigington, which is at the Laugh Factory. It's going on 20-some years strong. That was you? That was me.

And then Fat Tuesdays, after Guy Torrey left, my partner Drew Tillman and I started doing Trippin' on Tuesdays. Yeah. Then I was like, you know what? Where's that? The improv? That was at the Comedy Store in the main room. Right after Guy Torrey finished. And then I was like, you know what? I'm tired of I had a lot of friends that were like,

I'm not coming all the way to Hollywood. So then I started doing a room at the Savoy in Englewood not too far from the airport and that held like four or five hundred people and it would be packed every Wednesday night really because those people were dying for entertainment yeah and what was great about them as opposed to up here yeah no guest list right like people were like fuck it I'll pay twenty dollars and what I learned from my partner Poogie um he would never advertise who was coming he would advertise who you missed so when Chris Tucker Kevin Hart Chappelle

you know Wanda whoever came through you'd be like you should have been here last week because you missed yeah X Y & Z right and then they're like this week who's here yeah the only talk we're gonna talk about it but you remember two weeks ago you fucked up and didn't go and so I started bringing a lot of those people to Inglewood. So you're making a lot of money producing the shows. Not a lot of money. But enough to get by? I mean, private school money is enough, yeah.

That's good. Yeah. Wow, so that's a hustle. What was the name of that place down on Pico that was a black guy? The Comedy Union. Yeah. Yeah. Enz Mitchell, a good friend of mine.

I used to work there all the time. With that dude with the long dreadlocks? Yeah, yeah. We shot an friend of mine. I used to work there all the time what that dude with the long with dreadlocks Yeah, yeah, I I did we shot an episode of my show down there. Oh really yeah Yeah, and I remember I did it. I think I did a set there once if that's possible He's absolutely open every night. Yeah, Chelsea got her fucking start down there Chelsea handler. Yeah matter of fact. There's a story This is a true story. I'm gonna tell it she goes to Montreal and bombs. Yeah, matter of fact, there's a story. This is a true story. I'm gonna tell it she goes to Montreal and bombs. Yeah, and Whoever was supposed to see her didn't like it and then ends hooked it up for her to be For people to see her again and do a showcase at the comedy union and she killed and then she became Chelsea handler and forgot

About ends. Oh, really? I think I kind of knew that story because I remember remember I did a Comedy Central Presents taping with her. Okay. Right before the E! Network and all that stuff. When she maybe had one book out and she was doing stand-up. It wasn't great. No. You saw something.

Yeah. No, I mean, I like her. She's been a champion of mine. I like her. I've interviewed her. She's tough, but she's a good person. Right. Like a truly good person, I think.

Don't you think? Oh yeah, I saw her documentary. I was like, oh, I'm in love with her. Yeah. So this movie, that's a good cast. So that's what you're hanging on Tiffany, huh? Hanging on Tiffany and Wesley. And then the other guys are so fucking funny.

I like this old Wesley face. I like what he's doing. Like he's weird. You saw True Lies with him and Kevin? Oh, it's good. I watched him in the Eddie Murphy movie. Oh, yeah. Dolomite.

Yeah. And I was like. Not Dolomite. Yeah, Dolomite and Coming to America 2. Yes. Or 3. I'm sort of like, he's really embracing a weird old dude. Yes.

Like, he's going to do some weird shit. Wait till you see him in this. Oh, yeah? Yeah. He's a real actor. No, I know. He's a real actor. Like, I know. He's a real actor. Like the talks we had before,

I was like, you know, I'm used to, motherfucker, just take the script or whatever. He's like, do you think he would,

and I'm thinking, and then he should, and then a mustache or a goatee and a ponytail or a perm. I'm like, oh, you're the real deal.

Yeah, we're hip hop actors. We're like, you know, we have personality, we can memorize the lines and hopefully some magical shit will happen on the day. Tiffany's a natural.

Natural. It's wild. She kills this movie. Yeah. So is it done? Done. In the can. Not in the can, sorry.

Editing. Okay. We're in post right now. And you're working in June? June is July, yeah. That's good. Then I'll plug it for you. Yeah.

Then I'll be known as a director. Yeah. So, you know, Kevin Hart and I created a TV show called Real Husbands of Hollywood. Yeah. When's that going to be on? That starts February 10th. That's good. You can plug that.

Plugging February 10th on BET Plus, which nobody has, but you guys should go get. Everyone's getting pluses now. Yes. Yeah. Maxes and pluses. Yeah, yeah. BET Plus. Yes.

Get it on your phone? That's their streaming service. Get it on your phone? Exactly. Yeah. Maxes and pluses. Yeah, yeah. BET plus. Yes. Get it on your phone? That's their streaming service. Get it on your phone? Exactly. Yeah. Then we have a possibility of 13 people seeing it. What's it called? Real Husbands of Hollywood.

You and Kevin. I created with Kevin, but Kevin, Nick Cannon, Nelly, Robin Thicke, Dwayne Martin, Boris Kojo, J.B. Smoove, Cynthia McWilliams. We have some guest stars that are great this year we have Dr. Phil came on we always have

amazing guest stars we had Shaq we've had Chris Brown what's the angle it's basically a spoof on all let me take it back it started off as a sketch

that I wrote for the BET Awards for Kevin and then which was a spoof on all his housewives shows and it was Jermaine Dupri Bobby Brown Anthony Anderson BET Awards for Kevin. Yeah. And then, which was a spoof on all these housewives shows. Yeah. And it was Jermaine Dupri, Bobby Brown, Anthony Anderson, Nick Cannon, and Kevin.

And it just blew up and went viral. Yeah. And then people were petitioning and creating campaigns and fake Facebook pages. This show needs to be on air. And then the next year, I wrote for Sam Jackson on the BET Awards. We did the sketch again and then it was just undeniable. Oh, yeah? Yeah, you gotta check it out.

How's Sam Jackson? Fucking the real deal. Yeah. But he'll have to tell you some shit. Yeah. He'll be like, can we get one more take? Nope.

Okay, then we're gonna move on. I think you got it already. You're absolutely right, Sam. What was I thinking? This motherfucker's cold blooded oh nope and he looks at you like I'm not doing it again

I'm like why would you do it again everybody come on let's go we're on the wrong set seriously intimidating on purpose yeah and then he'll wink at somebody yeah but he's great yeah I love him you got a lot of things going on.

And then you're on the Cosby doc. You're like a Cosby, official Cosby commentator. Yeah. Why'd you get that gig? So I'm a connector in Hollywood, right? Like people call me to get other people, right? And then I go, hey, motherfucker. Is that okay?

And then I say, me too. No. Okay. No, not at all. But I'm fucking making then I go, hey, motherfucker. Is that okay? And then I say, me too. Uh, no. Okay. No, not at all. But I'm fucking making sure I get a check. Yeah. But I'm the guy that they go,

you won't believe the calls I get. I got a call one time from the White House that said, we heard Will Smith is in town and President Barack would like to play golf with him. Yeah.

I'm like, why the fuck are you calling me? They go, well, we know you know him. You know Will? And so I hooked up Will and fucking Barack Obama. When he was in office. When he was in office.

So I always get these calls. I, you know, I saw beefs. Chris Rock can track you down at the office, but they can't find, the White House can't find Will. The White House can't find him. It's funny you mention that about Chris, because he's called my cell phone before, and I'm like, what? I was out to dinner with my dad And I get a call and it's not a number. I recognize I'm like hello. He goes. It's Chris Rock, and I'm like what's happening? What do you want? He was I can't you wanted to he had listened to an episode

I think he had listened to like the Fred Stoller episode or something He's like he just wanted to tell me like I gotta go back and listen to all these fucking episodes If you've had all these people. Oh, yeah, dude. I've had all of them. I had Billy Braver on. I don't know Billy Braver. That was before your time,

before my time. He was a Comedy Store guy. Uh-huh. All right, so the Cosby thing. Mm-hmm. How'd it happen? So they called,

no, so a friend of mine was producing and they said, we need you to help us get some people. And you too. Yeah.

So it was one of those. So I helped them get- That's the worst, that add-on. Oh, yeah, you too, man. I used to get offended, but I you too. So it was one of those. So I helped them get. That's the worst, that add-on. Yeah, you too, man. I used to get offended, but I was like, fuck it. Yes, me too. I'm coming.

Okay. And so I helped them. A lot of people didn't want to do it. Matter of fact, I think Kamau was on CNN or somewhere saying, more people said no than yes. Huh. Yeah. A lot of people didn't want to touch that topic. Because of the, not because of their phrase.

Because you don't want to seem like you're advocating for him. And then you don't want to shit on him because he was your hero growing up. You know what I mean? So people. Well, people, everyone had to be kind of diplomatic. Right. You know, I mean, that was the whole point of that thing is that, you know, we can exist with both sides of this man. We can have our good memories and still realize he's a fucking monster right

i mean that seemed to be the point of it right and i don't know who it was really directed at i have to assume the black community on some level i think everybody because remember like he was everybody's no i get it i get it but like no for us for sure there's a lot of sort of like nah oh yeah no we i was in denial for sure yeah you know what i mean it was like no ain't no black woman came forth and all of a sudden it it's like Beverly Johnson, as you'll see in the documentary. That was the one that got you. I was like, oh, shit, because she was a friend of mine.

And you knew her before it, right? Yeah. But you knew she was a victim, though? I knew she was a victim. No, no, no, no. You knew her before she came out? I knew her before, yeah. I knew her daughters, and she was like, I know the family.

So you knew her before she was public with him? Yes. I see. And then when I saw her face when she said it, I was like, Roro. Yeah. This could be real. Really? It took that?

Because it wasn't like she was trying to get something from him. It wasn't like they went all the way through with the deed. She said she drank the cappuccino, felt something and said, you motherfucker. Yeah. Because she had, I guess, I don't know if she had done drugs before

or she just knew. Yeah, she knew. And she got out of there and I was like, why would somebody tell a story like that? I remember there was a, she had a struggle to get out. Right.

Not because he was holding her, but she was fucked up. She was fucked up. And she just knew she had to get out. Right. And here's what's funny, you You heard we had heard stories about him. I didn't. Well, no, I didn't know anything.

Oh, I heard stuff before. Well, apparently people have been hurting for Hannibal to do what he did. Right. It had to be out there. I knew nothing. Oh, no, I know since then. I haven't heard from that guy in a while. Hannibal, I see Hannibal every now and then. What's he up to? He's doing fucking specials and still doing well. Okay.

Movies. I see him occasionally in a movie. I haven't seen him lately, though. Yeah. All right. So you get the call to find some people for the Cosby thing. No one wants to do it, so now you're going to do all of it. Yes.

I'm imitating other comedians. I said, yeah, put that little- You and Godfrey. You're the ones. Godfrey. That shit seemed like it was the Godfrey special. Well, I guess he opened for the show. Right.

He was a warm-up guy. He was the warm-up, yes. So he had somewhat of a relationship with them. I wish he would have talked more about that, but he didn't really get into that. Just dropped it real quick and did a few impressions. But I'll tell you the thing about that doc, it's the survivors. That's where that doc lives. Right.

Is that you get to hear the full story from these old ladies, right, who don't know each other. That's what got me. Right. It's like the ones that kept it to themselves, and then they heard the fucking pill thing. Right. Holy shit.

I'm not the only one. The pill story. There's no way. Right. And I think he gave them a. The pill story. There's no way. Right. And I think he gave them a nice amount of time. Yeah. And the thing about us as a culture, we were like, you're not going to take down another one of us. And it was like, oh, they're trying to get us. They're trying to take us. The weird thing is you say that like, you know, you're not going to take down another one of us.

But like, I think he lost half of the culture with that fucking moralizing bullshit anyway. Oh, he did. Yeah. But no, a lot of us just thought of, a lot of us was just like, he's just a cranky old man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And here's what's fucked up. A lot of the shit he was saying was true. Yeah.

But the shit that we said, like he said in his apology, I thought it was just us talking about us. Yeah. You know what I mean? Although he really didn't fuck, he knew it wasn't. But it's some shit that you would say to us. Right, talking about us. Yeah. You know what I mean? Although he really didn't fuck. He knew it wasn't. But it's some shit that you would say to us. Right, right. You knew it. Yeah.

But you know the world was hearing it. And it just looked bad. You're talking shit about us for everyone to hear. Well, it's like that famous, the first big Chris Rock bit. Right. Black people versus niggas. Yeah. I mean, that's that bit.

Yeah? Yeah. And we've always talked like that. Yeah. There's some niggas at that party over there. We ain't going. You know what I mean? Like, we know. Yeah. Yeah. And we've always talked like that. Yeah. There's some niggas at that party over there. We ain't going. You know what I mean? Like, we know.

Yeah. I think, I don't know if he regrets saying it, but that shit was big. Who? That bit. That Chris Rock. I wonder if he regrets doing that bit. It's a great bit. Great bit.

Why would he regret it? Because he got a lot of backlash from it. Mm. Yeah. Well, I mean, well, that's, but niggas didn't like it. Sure. But there's an honesty to it. Well, actually, black people didn't like it sure but there's an honesty to it well actually black people

didn't like it right there's an honesty to it if there's such a thing as a difference but that's one of the issues is the sort of like

keep it amongst ourselves thing right you know that cuts both ways yes exactly and I think yeah

I mean but I thought you did good in the Cosby documentary it's good yeah good talking to you man absolutely you feel good do you have kids taking care of's good. Yeah. Yeah. Good talking to you, man. Absolutely. You feel good?

Do you have kids taking care of you? Everything's good? I can make halftime? No. We missed the game. All right. Thank you, brother. I'll see you.

Are you working tonight? I am. I'll see you over there. All right. All right. That was Chris Spencer again on Twitter. You can go to his website as well. See where he's on tour.

He'll be at the Virginia Beach Funny Bone this Friday and Saturday. I will be in San Diego this Friday, February 11th at the Observatory North Park. Two shows. Got next week, Napa, California, Friday, February 18th at the Uptown Theater and San Francisco, Saturday, February 19th. Two shows at the Palace of Fine Arts. You can go to wtfpod.com slash tour to get links to tickets.

And no music today. No music today because I'm in New York in the nicest hotel room I've ever stayed in. All right? Enough. Boomer lives! Monkey La Fonda. Alright? Enough. Boomer lives! Monkey. La Fonda.

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