WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1368 - Sam Rockwell

Episode Date: September 22, 2022

Sam Rockwell and Marc have talked with each other a lot since Sam was last on the show. Granted, during a lot of those conversations they were pretending to be a wolf and a snake, respectively. The Bad Guys co-stars embrace their human sides for this talk where they go over Sam’s journey to his Oscar win, the broadway production of American Buffalo with Sam and Laurence Fishburne, and the accent work Sam had to do for his new movie See How They Run. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck nicks? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Holy shit. How's it going with you? Look, people, Sam Rockwell's back. He's here today. This is his second time on the show. He was on back in 2016, episode 695. Since then, he's won an Oscar. He was on back in 2016, episode 695. Since then, he's won an Oscar. He was on Broadway in American Buffalo, and we made the bad guys together.

And now he's in a new mystery movie called See How They Run. He gets to play the English drunken constable or detective. Finally, put that feather in your cap, Sammy. But what's interesting that's happening now, and I don't know, like before I go into that, Matt Bronger, friend of the show, friend of mine, has a new comedy special coming out. Matt's been on this show before a couple of times. He's a very funny guy. The special is called Doug.

It's actually premiering as a digital event on October 6th. You can go to moment.co and get tickets, and then you get the special live and on replay. Matt Bronger's Doug. But as some of you have noticed, we seem to be doing some guests, having people back. I think it was only a matter of time, not just because I've interviewed almost everybody on the spectrum of people I enjoy interviewing, but I've actually become friends with a couple of people. Some of the people that I interviewed years ago were friends then, and so many things have happened. And there are some people that I just want to talk about certain things with or

enjoy their company again. Me and Sammy, me and Rockwell, you know, we did a movie together. We've seen each other many times over the last few years. And it was just sort of, you know, you get to know people a little better. And it's interesting with actors, you know, the first time I interviewed him, I remember, you know, I liked him and, you know, we didn't really know each other. He was, you know, Lynn loved him. I think that was even before, like, you know, he knew me and Lynn were friends. But it was like a first meeting. As many of you who have listened to this show for years, you realize that a lot of these things are almost, I wouldn't call them first dates, but they are people getting to know each other. Me and somebody getting to know each other in its best form

and having some sort of breakthrough in that initial exchange. And I think me and Sam did all right that first time. But, you know, actors are tricky sometimes, you know, even after this one, he's like he'd listened to I don't remember who, but I just know that we were walking out of the garage here and he's like, you know, I could have talked about, you know, more personal stuff. Yeah, man, maybe next time. OK, OK okay i'm not i don't demand anybody get too personal the point is that uh me and sam you know had a good time catching up and uh and i think it's uh it's deeper and it's better and you know it uh it's different than the first time i mean many shows do this yeah it's amazing uh on some level that we've done like 1,400 of these or however many and have a very limited number of repeats.

And some people, I think, are, you know, some people are literally like 12 years older than, you know, I talked to. They're like, it's been a decade. At least for some people, that's almost like they're grownups now. We should go back. I got to talk to some people like, you know, since they've become a grownup. I don't know if I mentioned this before. I feel like I did.

I'm just, I got this new kitten. It's crazy. The amount, I am so happy that I don't have kids. For the kids' sake. For the kids' sake. I've got to keep my panic in check. You know, there's the broader panic, you know, outside of climate catastrophe, fascism, the waves of fentanyl, methamphetamine, houselessness. Now Putin wants to maybe blast off a couple nukes.

It's just the macro panic forever available. It's sort of become the kind of universal unconscious is a bit panicky. unconscious is is is a bit panicky there's deep anxiety in the universe because of this species problem human species problem has cluttered the collective unconscious the global uh unconscious is uh anxious but it may soon be relieved but on on the micro, I just, I don't know how people do it. You know, I've got just the cats. I just get like, I used to be able, I had some equipment in place in my mind where I could manage that, where it's like, Hey man, they're animals.

They're going to make it. They're going to survive. Yeah. The new kitten can be in that room for a while. He's not going to freak out. He's not, you know, he, he. He's not lonely and might die of depression. That's you projecting onto a kitten. He's just in that room there because you don't want him running around the house yet because he's too small.

He might hurt himself. And you want to be in the house when he's running around. So he can be in the room. So what if he cries a little bit? He's not going to hang himself in there. He's not going to kill himself. He's not going to make him some sort of ill-prepared cat to socialize in there. He's not going to kill himself. He's not going to make him some sort of, you know, ill-prepared cat to socialize in life. He'll figure it out.

He's a fucking wired little kitten. You don't need to project all that weirdness onto it, you poorly parented fuck. See, now that's not a great inner dialogue, is it? Seriously. Kittens, okay. I had that realization about cats. You don't know how they're going to turn out. When you get a kitten, man, you know, it's like, what an amazing kitten.

Like Buster was an amazing kitten. Monkey and La Fonda were amazing kittens. Boomer was, you know, a little older than a kitten. And he was always not, he was always fucked up and weird. Moxie, the old cat, great kitten. Butch, my first cat, amazing kitten. Died very young, year and a half old. Enlarged heart, genetic issue.

But these kittens, you get them, and they're just always pretty amazing. Sammy was a little pensive, kind of concerned, but cute. The world seemed to weigh heavy on Sammy. Buster was half feral and and a little crazy but always buster always had sort of a some sort of human spirit to him like i'm the only guy that can hold buster a certain way i can cradle him and look him in the eyes and there's an understanding there that i feel goes beyond catness i look i'm sure that's, I'm sure you all feel that about your cats.

But this fucking guy, Charlie, Charlie Beans Roscoe, is out of his fucking mind and will not stop biting and will not stop darting. And it's amazing. But I think my point is, is like as these cats age,

Buster, you know, had a near-death experience with his kidneys and has turned into a very interesting quirky cat a very smart cat you know he's gotten more affectionate he's gotten older and you know but Sammy's kind of kind of weird he's you know he's still very thoughtful I think he's a little a little stressed in there a little panicky, and not that affectionate, really.

In the morning, you know, he'll come up to my face and lay on my chest, and I'll pet him a little bit. But I do not know what that cat wants, and that is the only time he's affectionate to me. The rest of the day, he's sort of like, I don't know. I don't know what I want. I just think I'm a little uncomfortable. But he's playing with it. My point is they're not beating up on it buster is not beating up on charlie as much as he beat up on on sammy you know but i don't know it's just i i think sometimes you get a kitten and then they

kind of evolve into a lumpy cat like a cat that's sort of like, meh, it's okay. You build an understanding with whatever the cat becomes, but sometimes not so much that they're disappointing, but they certainly, sometimes they're not exciting. They're not, you know, they may not really give a shit about you and you have to just, and then you're in, you're in for 17 to 20 years. You know, it's like, and sometimes you have those moments where it's like, was the kittenness worth whatever this is? Me just kind of supporting this cat that doesn't really seem to like me and isn't that really animated?

And then you just kind of push through and kind of adapt and begin to understand their particular personality, I guess, like a child. You can't just say like, well, this kid was a lot better when he was two. Maybe I'll put him up for adoption because I'm just a little bored with this kid. You know, you dance with the one that brought you. Is that what that means? So listen to me. Sam Rockwell, always great to see him.

Exciting guy. Does great work. And, you know, we have a good time. Soiting guy. Does great work. And, you know, we have a good time. So this is Sam and me talking. See how they run. The new movie is now playing in theaters. And here we go. Here we go.

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Let's work hands. You want to work hands? Yeah, let's work hands. I get the real, get the bad guy sound here. There we go. Hey, testing mine. What? Can you give it a little more energy mark yeah um yeah wait what'd you do with sigourney weaver she was here yesterday i found her to be uh exactly as you'd expect very together

very together very together yeah she's she's playful too she um we did galaxy quest together oh that's right yeah and we had a good time with the late, great Alan Rickman. Yeah. We had a great time, and she, you know, we did, like, stupid Meisner exercises. She was very into, like, nerdy acting stuff. Yeah, she's serious. Yeah, she's serious. Her husband, theater director, and...

But, like, when I was going over her stuff, like, she really did the thing. I mean, she put the work in. She did that, you know, the New York in the early 70s and, you know, with Christopher Durang and went to Yale.

She went to Yale. Yeah. She did the Shakespeare training at Yale and all that stuff. She went through it. They didn't think she could do it. Yeah. They were very discouraging.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Where did you go? I can't remember. I went to a Meisner course oh that's right two years with william esper and i met my acting coach terry knickerbocker yeah yeah along with this woman named maggie flanagan yeah and that's like a two-year program but there's no there's no what they call conservatory training which is like speech and you know voice are you

shamed are you are you ashamed are you ashamed that you didn't get that stuff? I was, and I went and got private vocal training from Kristen Linklater and this woman, Andrea Herring, about 20 years ago to kind of make up for it. Yeah, what did you learn there? I did some Shakespeare stuff with Kristen. I mean, I worked, just made my voice stronger. I worked on Hamlet a little bit and I I got my voice I was doing a play that Phil Hoffman was directing and I at the public yeah Steven Gierges play and I just was thought my I'd been doing theater since I was 10 but my voice was weak and

I wanted to strengthen it yeah and so I went there and you know I was kind of obsessed with Hamlet for a while and I messed around with that and that. And then I just started working on this, like, vocal training. And it's, I don't want to bore you with all this crap, but it's like, she wrote a book called Freeing the Natural Voice. Yeah. And it's essentially. Do you sing? No, I croon a little. Do you sing?

I can sing. Yeah. I sang last night. Where did you sing last night? With my combo over at Largo. You mean your combo? I got a little band. Oh, shit.

Then we do it every few months. Do some covers. Some Velvet Underground. Oh, you did some Velvet Underground. Yeah, we did some Modern Lovers. We did some blues covers. Did a Dylan cover. Did a Dylan cover.

Yeah. So you go to Largo and you play with your band. That's great. That's right. You play guitar, obviously. yeah so you go to largo and you play with your band that's great that's right you play guitar obviously yeah i play some guitar i play with the band then we do some comedy hannah einbinder came eric griffin came we do a variety stand stand up or stand up stuff stuff sketch no skits so tell me about this book the voice it's called freeing the natural voice and basically it means that the theory is that, you know, when little kids, you hear little kids screaming in the park, in the playground, they're unfiltered. They don't, they have, there's nothing blocking the channel, so to speak. No fear.

There's no fear. There's no self-consciousness. And as we get older, we start to kind of, you know. Strangle ourselves. Exactly. With panic. Exactly. With panic. Exactly. And anxiety and terror.

And then. Comes right from your throat. You start talking like this, and then you're not really talking. So the idea is to get back to that childlike diaphragm that we had. Just do those exercises. You're like, ha, ha, ha. Yes. Hey.

Ha, ha, ha. Ha, ma, ma, ma. Oh, you just did that in your new movie. Which, the bad guys? Which movie? No, no, the British one. Oh, yeah? Oh, did you see it? your new movie. Which, the bad guys? Which movie? No, the British one. Oh, yeah? Did you see it?

I watched it, most of it. Yeah, yeah, it's fun. You did the British guy. I did the British guy. The British inspector. I did the British inspector, yeah. You can add that to the list. You're one of many.

The British drunk inspector, yes. Of British inspectors. Yes, yes, yeah. It's fun. It was fun. But the voicing, so it helped free your voice, so you keep it open. So I do that

when you were nice enough to come to American Buffalo and so I had to have a voice warm-up, 20-minute voice warm-up that Andrea put on tape for me. From 20 years ago? It's kind of like

from 20 years ago. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of been, she's worked on a couple for me. So you've done theater since you were 10? Yeah, yeah. Because I did go see American Buffalo. I, I mean, it's kind of been, she's worked on a couple for me. So you've done theater since you were 10? Yeah, yeah. Because I did go see American Buffalo.

I really appreciate it, man. No, no, but a lot of, you know, some close friends of mine didn't come. Really? Yeah, dude. To see that play? Who wouldn't want to go see that play? Well, exactly. Thank you.

I mean, it's like. Darren Criss, Lawrence Fishburne, come on. But yeah, but just the play itself, it's like, it's tight. It moves. It does move. It's exciting. By the way. You're in and out tight. It moves. It does move. It's exciting. By the way. You're in and out in an hour and a half.

Absolutely. It's great. It's got dirty words. Yeah. And it held up. I thought it held up pretty well. Yeah. Yeah.

Who decided to do American Buffalo again? Whose idea was that? I think I was chasing it for a while. I think Lawrence was chasing it. So was Darren. And then I think Liev was going to do it. Oscar Isaac. And then.

Who produced it? Who directed it? Jeffrey Richards and Neil Pepe. But they decided it's time to do this show again? They were kind of going to do it with Liev and this other director. He was going to play your part? He was going to play my part. And then Oscar was going to do it.

He would have been too thoughtful. I don't know. You think? He strikes me as a serious fellow you're not a serious fellow are you i you know i'm a sensitive fellow i don't know if i'm a serious fellow important sensitive is more important i don't know if i'm a serious fellow i try not to be serious but yeah but yeah i mean i i think um those guys would have been fabulous teachers who was gonna be who was gonna be the other guy the other guy david morris read it at one point oh yeah he was gonna play yeah i haven't seen him in a while

um he's a heavy cat he's a heavy cat yeah no i mean you know i um i don't know i you know it's just it was a great it was a great opportunity i I was lucky to do it. And when you approach that, because, I mean, I saw Pacino do that guy. Yeah, that's right, you did. In the 80s. Like, yeah, when I was in college, I saw him do it. And, yeah, I think it was different. I tried to remember it, but, I mean, you guys really came out of it differently. You said it was Scarface.

You said it was very Scarface, yeah. I feel like he had a little of that in him still. Yeah. He hadn't quite shaken tony montana yeah i think i saw a clip of it and he looked very tony montana well yeah we held the state like you know he's so like this i didn't really appreciate the play then because i didn't quite get that these guys were kind of schlubs yeah you know and they were kind of you know they are schlubs yeah yeah and they were they botched it they were not a together operation yeah yeah you know like for some reason he played it too menacing which i think you played

it a little funnier i played it more deferential probably to donnie yeah um because with an actor like lawrence fishburne you can't dominate lawrence fishburne you have to manipulate him right you have to manipulate a Donnie like that. So it became much more Iago in that sense. Oh, I get it. Yeah. You couldn't, Lawrence is just too formidable as an actor and as a power, as a force. Right.

So the only way to get in was to sort of be more. So that was the intention. Yeah, and then we'd heard about the Bobby Duvall one, the Robert Duvall one with Kenneth McMillan and John Savage, and that that was the one that sounded very well-rounded. Huh. Did you see footage of it? I didn't.

I saw a little bit of Pacino, and he was fucking brilliant. Right, but... It's dangerous, dangerous. That's right. Right, but- Dangerous, dangerous. That's right. It was a different game. Yeah. And he was all, he took over the whole show. I mean, you didn't see, like, I can barely remember Teach.

It was one of those- Yeah. It was one of those, I can't remember who played him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But he just steamrolled everybody. Yeah, yeah. I don't remember, but I was younger, so I don't know. What do I know?

No, I mean, I'd heard things like that, and I'd heard that Duvall was great, too, and that that was more of a kind of the well-rounded production. But a lot of these people have played it. Bill Peterson played it. You know who I talked to? You ever talk to Richard Jenkins? Yeah.

I talked to him a lot. He played Teach. That makes sense. And I would call him. I got a couple of friends I call. I call Billy Crudup. I call Patty Clarkson. But I talk to Richard quite a bit.

Yeah. And I get advice. I don't know if you do that with comedians like Bill Burr or anybody like that, if you talk to anybody. But I talk to those guys. I see him around. Yeah. But I think it's a different thing.

It's a different thing. Yeah. different thing yeah so what do you ask more richard jenkins well i asked him i said you know what am i i said i don't know what i'm doing and i don't know i i just feel stale and i'm losing my i'm losing saliva when i hear the speeches and and billy crudup was very helpful too with that he said it's all about one thought. The fucking Ruthie speech is one thought. Right. I think I came to you at one point when we were doing Bad Guys. I said, because this reminds me of stand-up. Of stand-up, right.

Could you take a look at this? I think we talked about it briefly. Yeah. You know? Yeah. But you got to get help and Richard said something about that he felt that one night he was doing it

and this great actor. he played t she also did fool for love and played eddie which i also did on broadway and he talked to me about eddie so richard and i've been talking for a long time and he must have played it a while he's an older guy he did a long time ago yeah yeah and he he gave me the iron thing i think we stole the iron thing oh yeah the bait and switch thing and then we also but he said that one night he couldn't And he gave me the iron thing. I think we stole the iron thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a bait and switch thing. But he said that one night he just couldn't do it the way he was doing it. It was too like, whatever he was doing, it was getting stale.

And it was like, hey, I'm doing it. I'm one of these guys or something. And then he was like, fuck this. And he went up to his co-stars and he said, I don't know what's going to happen out there, but I got to try something different because this is getting really stale. Because he was just sleeping through it? He just felt like he wasn't being spontaneous. He wasn't.

And he said that that night he came on and he did it. He didn't know what was going to happen. Each moment felt fresh, which is what acting should be. Yeah. And I imagine stand-up is a little bit like that but hopefully you leave a little room you gotta leave a little room for you gotta drop in yeah for me like a like lately last couple nights even just riffing you know i don't think you guys can really do that because you've still got to honor a script we're kind of yeah we can self

generate you can self-generate that keeps it lively yeah yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah but do you feel like you have to have some control and a third eye that's looking at you but do you feel like you can you obviously have material that you've worked on but you feel like you can improvise to some extent yeah and vibe off the audience sure oh yeah i do yeah it's the only way i can yeah right like i come up with some new bits the last couple nights just because you get tired. Like, when a comic gets tired of his act, you got to go do some new shit. But you generate it. It's difficult.

It must be more difficult as an actor when you're tired of your part to try to make that new. What are you going to do? Just do it like this? I'm going to talk like this now. I'm going to talk like that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you know. By the way, we tried some different voices, I think, occasionally.

But, I mean, I watched that Seinfeld documentary about him and that comedian years ago. I had that guy on recently. You did? That guy was on the thing? Orny Adams, yeah. That's his name. Yeah. The young guy. And they had the same manager.

Oh, yeah. Poor kid. That movie ruined his life. No shit. Oh, my God. For years, it just made him so unappealing to almost the entire world. So you had him on recently? Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. Because he annoyed me, too. But I said, well, it's time to like, let's talk to this guy. Let's work it out. And it was sort of like, wow, he is powerfully annoying. I got to listen to that. But that thing really haunted him.

And I think Jerry really set him up, you know, to be the fall guy in that thing. What were you going to say about that? Well, I was just going gonna say what i thought was fascinating is that it takes like six months or i this is paraphrasing to get like 15 minutes of material or 10 minutes of material or to work that material to polish it out yeah it's about and that some comedians were able to improvise and some not but right six months for 10 minutes of material you think it's about right can be I mean, if you really want to get it going, but that's the funny thing is if you've got a nice big chunk and you kind of work at it. Like I've been working this shit that I've been doing for over a year now

because I'm doing this special that kind of got moved, but now it's like I'm going to shoot it in December, but I've been doing this shit for like a while. And I keep folding new stuff in and keep adding to it. I'm pretty conversational. So it keeps it fresh. But I think six months to get a 10 to 15 minute chunk is about right. Yeah.

To get it working. And then when you get it working, you're like, all right, so that's done. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You burn it on a show and then you just move on. It goes away. Yeah, yeah. But you're reaching out to all these guys. Crudup, Crudup's another guy you reach out to?

Crudup is another guy. Did he play Teach? No, but I've seen a lot of great theater he's done, and he's one of my friends. He's a big theater guy, right? Yeah, he's a big theater guy. He's a really good theater actor, and he's a good friend of mine.

And, you know, he's really smart. He trained at NYU, and he took some time with me, and he's really one of the most articulate people about acting. But so wait, you've been doing theater since you were 10? How is that possible? I've been doing theater because I did it with my mom when I was a kid, and then I'd visit her in New York and do theater. I can't remember.

She was an actress. She's't remember. What is she? She was an actress. She's a painter now. Abstract? She was kind of like Salvador Dali-ish kind of stuff. Really? So detailed, weird things? Yeah.

Small canvases? Kind of like wild kind of. Oh, yeah? Big, small, you name it. I was very surprised to see how small most Dali paintings are. Are they? Yeah.

The first time I saw a Dali painting, I'm like, that's it? It's like so small. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Where did you see them? In Spain? They're around. I mean, you know, I think I saw...

They're around. MoMA? Yeah, there must be one there. I mean, I think there is one at MoMA, at least. But I think I did see a lot of them in Spain. I'm not a huge fan. Yeah, whatever. It's okay.

Did you ever see Adrian Brody when he played the Salvador Dali in the Woody Allen movie? That was pretty good. Oh, I like what he did in that. I do, but I just saw him in your movie. Yeah. He's always pretty good. I always like seeing him. Yeah, he's great.

He's great. I like when he plays the wild guys, you know. Yeah, I see. He's really good in this movie. He's really good. So, okay, so she's a painter now,

but you guys used to do... So, yeah. So she, so my parents separated when I was five and then she acted for a while and I would go visit her in New York in

the summer and that's how I got into acting. Where was your old man? My dad was in San Francisco. Oh, right. We moved around a little bit. We lived in a lot of places. We lived in Tenderloin at one point. We lived in my grandma's. Tenderloin? We lived in the Castro. We lived all of San Francisco, you name it. What was that about? Well, we were broke, you know, and then he got a real job when I was about nine and he got remarried and yeah. Do you ever think about moving back there? Well, I do, but not, I don't because I don't have any friends there really.

Well, I used to think that's- I have one friend there. That's it. Yeah, but I mean, but you know, well, I get it. So like, cause I was hanging on to this idea that I'm going to move back to New Mexico cause it's beautiful. Cause you're nostalgic for it. Yeah.

Yeah, but whatever you're nostalgic for it yeah yeah but you're whatever you're nostalgic for is long gone like you know everything about whatever you're nostalgic for gone right yeah yeah because yeah yeah like i mean it's still beautiful there though but what am i gonna do every time i go there because my dad's still there i just sit in the hotel and i'm like the fuck am i doing here and i was looking at houses up by santa fe and shit but like what am i gonna just sit up here by the mountain and call the kid I went to Hebrew school with once or twice a week to see what he's doing wait can I ask you when is it not hot as balls there it's not as hot

as here New Mexico's got seasons it's not Arizona like there's went to have ski areas go to house and and ski northern new mexico you get snow you get cold so when it's nice weather yeah what do you do i don't fucking know you what you what do you do it anywhere when you're at a certain age that's true you just go to the gym or you go to the restaurant and get the coffee you say hi to the guy what's up yeah it kind of is the same shit no matter where you go right four blocks baby yeah yeah yeah i went to san francisco with my dad and we we went yeah there was a nice recently yeah recently we went to a nice hotel and they had a nice gym so i and then they we got the nice

coffee yeah the blue bottle coffee sure do you want you walk down the pour over yeah we walked down there blue bottle yeah and then we walked around i sat in some vomit by accident no you did not i did yeah oh that's a very san francisco thing to do and then we walked around some more we saw a movie you know it was like it was like what you do in albuquerque probably same shit that's what i do with my dad i took him to see a movie yeah you know and then but he's starting to lose his mind so like you know it gets more interesting because it's sort of like do we see the movie we just saw it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, that's what you do. But for some reason, whatever I'm nostalgic for,

it just hit me the last time I went. I can't move here. What the fuck am I going to do here? Because I want to buy a nice place. No, exactly. I have that same place. I want to have some peace of mind and just have that thing, that feeling, whatever the fuck that was. Oh, you mean when you were in high school? You want to have that same point. Have some peace of mind, you know, and just have like that thing, that feeling, whatever the fuck that was.

Oh, you mean when you were in high school? You want to have that feeling? I mean, yeah, good and bad. I mean, yeah, middle school is much tougher than high school, I think, in a way. But it depends what high school you went to, I guess. Well, no, it's just the feeling of everything's still ahead of you. Everything's still ahead of you. You're not going to have that fucking feeling if you move there.

No. No. No, you're going to sit there and go like, oh oh it's all gone yeah it's all behind me now yeah and i don't have any friends here well i have one or two friends here but you can't go for the friends no i mean you gotta go but i mean at least you have friends in la and new york yes do you have friends in new york i got people in new york i went to see the show with sam whipsite who's a who uh he was a writer and you and him and I are very close friends. I got a few friends here, sure.

I got a few friends here. How many do you need, though? But Albuquerque, how many do you need? That's a good question. I don't know. Well, I used to do a joke about that. I'd say you need two. You need the main guy and the guy you go to when you drain the main guy.

That's true, because you got to drain the main guy. Yeah, you're like, are you tired? All right, I'll call you a guy. I'll call the other guy. I can talk to him. It's true. It's very true. Because you got to drain the main guy. Yeah, you're like, are you tired? All right, I'll call you a guy. I'll call the other guy. I can talk to him. It's true. It's very true. But yeah, no, I have a few different-

I got about five. You got five? Five or six that I've drained already. Backups? Oh, yeah. Backups, yeah. Yeah. Wait, what are those calls like?

Fuck. Well, I'll tell you, Billy and Richard are drained. Oh, from American Buffalo? They're drained from Buffalo, let'll tell you billy and richard are tired they're drained over from american buffalo they're drained from buffalo let me tell you so every project you got a couple of guys they're drained i'm gonna be calling sigourney soon and yeah she's gonna it's too much but so when does the the theater start legitimately so you do the meisner thing but yeah you're with when do you start really doing it well you, you know, I started really doing it doing off-Broadway and stuff. And then, like I said, Phil directed us.

Phil, that's right. And then, you know, he taught me a lot about stage acting and then we. Phil did, aren't you guys the same age? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. I mean, you and I talked about him, I think, before. I think a bit, yeah. But, you know, I'm friendly with his family

and he was a beautiful. He was a beautiful He was guy. I was kind of obsessed with I was listening to one of your pockets Andrew Garfield said some nice things about Ryan Gosling and I thought that was really Generous and cool because I was you know, I have You know, I have that feeling about other actors. Yeah feeling like you know Just feeling like you're in this instead of being competitive yeah weird you know right and I think when I saw Phil I was I was you know everything I was envious of his talent I was really I was

obsessed with him then we became friends and and he just taught me a lot yeah you know yeah that's how you learn, I guess. Yeah, I guess so. Well, I mean, how else can you do it? Do you have comedian friends like that that you were inspired by and then you were maybe jealous and then you let it go and you became friends and were competitive and then it went away? I don't know that jealousy ever goes.

I think it submerges. But is there a difference between envy and jealousy? Do you think there's a healthy amount of competitive stuff where you get inspired by that person, like Larry Bird and Magic Johnson kind of competitive? You're always impressed with people, sure. And I think envy is right. The weird thing about that stuff now,

as it happens now, is like, because it still happens, we're human. You still get jealous of people. stuff now as it happens now is like yeah is like because it still happens we're human you still get jealous of people but what happens to me now is like I don't want what that guy has I couldn't do that whatever the fuck I'm jealous of it's not because I want it it's just because yeah

you know it I wish I was something different yes in a moment yes yes you know what I mean well I think about like with Buffalo, like if I thought there was negotiations and we're trying to figure out what was going to happen, eight shows a week, seven shows a week. And at one point, you got to pull the trigger

and I'm thinking, well, do I want to, am I going to see, am I going to read the paper and Oscar's doing it or Liev's doing it? Am I going to be pissed? Right. And the answer is, yeah, I'm going to read the paper and an Oscar is doing it or Liev's doing it? Am I going to be pissed? Right. And the answer is, yeah, I'm going to be pissed. Because they're good actors. And I'm like, I don't want to see them.

No, I got to do it. You got an Oscar. Yeah, but so what? That means something. That does mean something. No, it does mean something. It does mean something. But with theater, it's a different ballgame.

I feel like for some reason we have would be very competitive sure i mean you'd be you'd be crazy not to be competitive i guess an actor you know i mean that's the point i think i think that um but there's a health what i'm saying i guess there's a healthy amount of competitive energy and i think of that documentary with larry bird and magic johnson you see that the 30 30 30 or whatever um i didn't see it it's really good anyway but that's stuff like but with that with physical stuff it's like you're talking about shots you're talking about jumping you're like there's there's like either one guy's gonna make the finish line or not right there's no acting there's no like sort of ambiguity what there's no there's no right it's

it's not math yeah you know what i mean it's like he made this many shots he's the best steve zahn's funnier than right whatever black yeah no you can't you can't make that comparison it's apples and oranges yeah and but our brains want to do that but but the weird thing about actors everyone's going to approach it differently yeah but i mean I think the other thing about that, though, is like with acting, there's a lot more people who suck working. With pro ball, you're not going to go like, why do they still have that guy who sucks on the team? Well, you know, yeah, if acting was more like boxing. Right.

There'd be a lot of knockouts, yeah. Yeah. But I'm not saying, not even sucks necessarily. It seems like there's plenty of work for even but there's a lot mildly talented there's a lack of there's a lack of uh of training person let's say you know i've kind of shifted on this back and forth yeah yeah there are guys tell me because now you're doing a lot of acting what do you what do you think about that you think you think acting training is bullshit or you think no no no i think it's amazing yeah because i think it's like because I think it's not like anything.

It's not what I dedicated my life to. I'm a performer, and I always wanted to act. And I think that I can do some things well naturally. And whatever mild or minor training I had when I was younger, you're going to learn on the job eventually. And if you have talent and you listen to people and you work with great people, you're going to learn on the job eventually and if you have talent and you know you listen to people and you work with great people you're going to learn but you know whatever devices anyone seems to cobble together tools for acting uh is really a crap it's it's a personal preference yeah that's why it's so hard to talk about craft you know because like i you know i remember i had paul dano in here yeah and i was like do you do animal work? He's like, I do.

I'm like, okay. You know what I mean? I was kind of half kidding. But why not do a little animal work? If that's what gets you there. You want to be a penguin for an hour? Knock yourself out. Listen, Brando did it, you know.

Did he? Sure, he went to the zoo and watched animals when he was doing Stanley Kowalski. Watched gorillas or something. Have you done a little animal work? I don't know if i've done animal work but i would i would do it you don't know if you've done it but why maybe you have maybe i have but i would do it is the point yeah i would do it so i think i think obviously learning is important but i do think as i talk to people that if you mix craft yeah with with incredible natural charisma and natural talent, you're an undeniable force.

But can you get by with charisma and talent and the ability to listen? Sure, you can. Of course you can. But, you know, I don't know. Is it going to catch up to you? I mean, there's exceptions. Well, I think it's like, what do you want to make it to yourself? I believe that there are some people that get into stand-up and into acting specifically because they do not want to be in the real world.

They don't want a fucking job. They don't want that fucking life. And they like attention from women or whatever. So I think there is a type of person who just is sort of like can get away with it. And sometimes they're great, but the intention was not to be an artist. It was not to work, not to be in that world. Yeah, I don't know.

That's, yeah. I mean, what do you think of that? It's okay with me. You know, like it's better than being a preacher. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's a similar zone. You know, whatever you're going to do, whether it's a musician, a juggler whatever you're going to do whether it's a

musician a juggler you want to be a minister of some kind you want to be an actor it's all show business yeah but yeah but don't you feel like with the work ethic that you have being a stand-up i mean you guys work hard that's hard work yeah and also like i was you know i yeah i was the aggravated person and you know it was i didn't see any other way to have a life. You said something that I thought, that I relate to. There's no plan B, which I relate to. I didn't have a plan B. No.

I'd be pumping gas. I don't have any fucking skills. Yeah, well, I mean, but weirdly, I think that's true. I don't have one either. But you're a talented guy with a pretty good head on his shoulders. I doubt you'd be pumping gas. But the fact is you didn't. But I don't have any skills.

Sure, but you can learn how to work at a restaurant. Yeah, I'd worked at restaurants. I worked at a lot of restaurants. That was always my go-to is like, you know, like when was the last job I had? In college, I'd flipped eggs. I guess I could go see if I could get there. I could go back to that. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Listen. But no, but like, I'm not trying to diminish the work because you asked me about acting. For me, like, I find that in order to make it interesting, that I'm going to have to do the work. Like, because like, for me, sitting around in a fucking trailer for 12 hours is a nightmare. And I don't care how many times I'm supposed to read the script. You told me you read the script like 10 times. So I started to do that.

I know, like 100 times. Fine. So I started to do that. And I'm like, this is not going to work for me, the reading the script 100 times. No, that's not entirely true. I listen to it. I record it. Okay. And i listen to it because i'm more audio yeah eddie marzen i was talking about this yeah i listened to it in fact eddie marzen

taped my lines yeah for this movie i see how they run um to do the bridge that guy that i met eddie eddie marzen uh is a great actor he's been a lot a lot of Mike Lee movies. He's a fucking fan. Oh, wait. He was in Ray Donovan. Oh. He's a fucking fantastic. Look him up. He's amazing. And Martin Friedman taped a couple of Val sounds for me, too, because we worked together. But the point is, I listen to my shit.

I listen to my script a lot. So this is for the English movie? Yeah, but I listen to shit. Yeah. And I'm more visual audio oriented. But I was doing everything that I knew to do in that Two Leslie movie. I talked to you about this when we were doing

Bad Guys where I had to do the Texas. The Texas, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I'm playing opposite Andrea Riceboro who's an animal. And you saw Liz Himmelstein,

right? You saw Dialect Coach. I did. Yeah, that's great. Yeah, she made me watch Mac Davis videos for the Lubbock accent. That's great.

Liz would do, Liz, yeah. It's so funny because she's like, we're going to do Lubbock. I'm like, I don't even know what that means. She goes,

here, I sent you some videos and I'm watching mac davis interviews that's great from lubbock fucking mac north dallas 40 man the best amazing there is not a day that goes by where i don't think about nick nolte waking up that morning and just cracking his fucking back and like every day i wake up it's like nick Nolte in North Dallas 40 smoking oh my god it's amazing it's amazing it's amazing movie Liz is the best man she helped me with three billboards she helped me with this movie um I had two dialect coaches in this movie but she Liz uh she got you this southern thing going she got me the two cops we taped two cops for three billboards one of them didn't have a strong enough because Martin McDonough wanted to, he didn't really want an accent.

I said, well, we need a slight one. So Liz found these two cops. And then I ended up doing a couple ride-alongs with the second cop. And he put some ad libs in there. Yeah. Used some of the stuff that ended up in the film. Oh, wow.

And Liz found these guys. Yeah. They're very helpful. She's very helpful. I was able to put on paper you know sort of the tricks of pronunciation so like what i would use to get into that accent is there be a series of things i could say yes in the in the to you know kind of prime myself the way vowels work and to open up to get your mouth going yeah into that zone and then like i could sort of like she gave me a fairly full thing like

yeah if you got a question like how what how would that word what do i get how do i say that word yeah yeah and you could do it and you could it's like dynamic stretching for your mouth right right and but also just to hear your sound too because you know like if you know boy you know like there's you have to see that boy toy right coy right phonetically yeah spelled out but but to to to answer your question though like the what i started to think about acting and not that i know much was that like if i like it has to i want to try to make it satisfying for me to be on camera for four minutes at a time, you know, and be done with all the angles of the four minute at a time or three minute at a time

and be like, wow, that was great. I want to feel that. Yeah. Because with movie acting, maybe you'll feel great when you see a whole cut, but by the time you shoot it out, I just didn't know how to make it satisfying in the moment. So I had to focus on that.

So that you could forget about the dialect and feel spontaneous? Well, just forget about I just spent 10 hours in a fucking trailer going like, what could they be doing? And then get your head in the game once they go rolling. Right, and then it's like after 10 hours, you're like, all right, your scene's up. And then it's like you're there for like 15 minutes and you're like, we got it. I'm like, that was it? The fucking so how does that 15 minutes become worth it that's my question you know and so that's a good question well that's what i'm working towards yeah that's hard right

what's the stuff that you're happiest with on film that you feel like uh i don't know you know yeah i mean i think i did good in glow you know and i think that i made choices, you know. Yeah, I mean, I think I did good in Glow, you know, and I think that I made choices, you know, and I think, you know, my own show, I learned how to be on camera on that show, so the first two seasons were okay, but I had to figure out how to be on the set. I'm still not clear on where my camera is. It's a nightmare.

Well, I don't know. I mean, is it, maybe you shouldn't know where the fucking camera is. It's always annoying. Maybe that's more, I don't know if I want to know where the camera is but maybe you must innately know by now i mean i you do obviously you want to be on in the frame you want to see the lens because you want to be in the frame obviously but you know what i'm saying like i don't want to be too aware there are times

where i've gone all in and they're and i'm like am i even in the shot and they're like no no you're just yeah if you if you can't see the lens it can't see you is that the but but i can't get out from under the thing where people like you know you're always kind of playing yourself am i though i don't think i am yeah that's a bunch of horseshit right but everybody's playing themselves right and even the great meryl streep great robert duvall they're all in there they're all in hopefully they're you are playing yourself yeah you're just playing a version of yourself well you know i don't know Meryl Streep's doing something with her control panel that I don't understand

she's a phenomenon I don't know what she's like yeah her yeah forget it have you worked with her no I've met her she's I mean you know she's like a phenomenon I don't know what to say Meryl Streep is the kind of the pinnacle

it kind of is but there's nothing you can do to be. Meryl Streep is kind of the pinnacle. It kind of is. Yeah, yeah. But there's nothing you can do to be that. Because whatever the fuck it is. I know. I'm sure she works very hard, but it seems like it's just so easy for her. It's crazy, man. Yeah, I mean, her ear is incredible. She's got an amazing ear.

All you can do after a certain point, though. Is this true? It's sort of like when you look at the director and you go, do you get what want and when they look at you and go yeah and you believe them that's all you can do that's all you can really do you got to sort of trust yeah right but do you ever you can do that's why you go do theater or stand-up because you can't but do you walk away from a film role like going like that was great i know like no like billboards were you like this is the best thing I ever did. No doubt. You feel good.

Right. But you feel good, but you don't know for sure. You're not in control. I mean, that's why you go do theater. Yeah. Live performance because you feel like you have a little control. Well, that's the other thing. Then it's a satisfying gig.

It's not like these five-minute increments where you're like, did I have my accent on that one? No, exactly. Did anyone check? No, exactly. And then you watch it and you're like, no, how could're like, did I have my accent on that one? Did anyone check? No, exactly. And then you watch it and you're like, no, how come no one told me I had my accent on that take? I know. That's why you got to get Liz on the set. Well, no, she wasn't on the set, but there was a guy on Respect when I played Wexler.

But you know what gave me courage? Was I watched James Caan, real old James Caan. Like he was doing that Rain People. Did you ever see Rain People? Yeah, that's Coppola. That's a way back. Right, right. And he plays like this brain-injured ex-football player,

college football player. He was like the guy with the broom on the campus, right? I've never seen that movie. Right, but he does do an accent, and I'm watching him, and I just talked to him. And it wasn it wasn't good well he was in and out and you want if you watch a lot of real movie stars do acts that's like comes and goes but you know who cares yeah yeah yeah you just you just never want i think that the rule should be you never want to agree to the boston accent i've done the boston yeah i did it with liz and uh it's a tough one which which movie i did a movie hillary swank called conviction tony gold it with Liz and it's a tough one which movie was that I did a movie

with Hilary Swank called Conviction Tony Goldwyn directed it and it's a tough accent easy to make look stupid absolutely you gotta be real careful just like the English accent

you gotta be really fucking careful I thought you made a good choice in this new movie you went subtle you didn't bust you didn't go over the top

you kept it mild very careful I'd done it in theater but I hadn't done it on film i was very nervous about it yeah um it took it took takes a village yeah but no you know i mean the thing about that that you know the thing about you saying you know what i love about acting is like if you're if you are like with teach it didn't matter and Buffalo, like if I was neurotic, actually the worst day, the worst my day was going, the better the performance was.

Sure. The guys worked up. The guys worked up. Yeah. So a lot of times if I was having a really rough day and I felt kind of out of sorts and shaky, it was good. Yeah. You know, the more neurotic I was having a really rough day and I didn't, I felt kind of out of sorts and shaky. Yeah. It was good. Yeah.

It's great. You know, the more neurotic I was and, and those are great roles because you can kind of like, you can just put it on stage and it doesn't matter what's going on. You can just vomit it on stage. Yeah. Because you're loaded up, you know, you just, you can just dump it. Like it's a weird thing with standup too. It's like, sometimes i like to

sort of step back and kind of just like see how the the words work but other times like if i'm lit up i can fucking do whatever i want and the emotion kind of sure drives the routine try and be funny yeah yeah but if i'm angry sometimes it's pretty good does it get sam kinnison when a little bit no no i don't not not that extreme but does it get does it does it no i mean it'll get i can get kind of you know yeah uh angry and righteous and that's fun it's okay yeah it's not it's usually misdirected but that's okay as long as it's funny sure right or something a little dangerous something happens yeah but uh but like so when you won like okay well the question is in in billboards. Yeah. That guy.

Yeah. It seemed to me that part, and this is just my assumption about, you know, going back to what we were talking about and how you can't really escape yourself, is that, you know, you just had to turn some things off. Yeah. Right? I mean, you had to focus that character in the sense that like, you know, this was not Sam, right?

Yeah. And this guy is from a different world and a different mindset. So I've got to sort of, like, you know, turn all this Sam off to make room for this guy. I guess, I don't know about that. I don't know if it's turning Sam off. It's more like turning parts of Sam on and filtering through different Sam-isms. But it's not like the guy yeah i mean the guy's kind of an asshole so i don't think i'm an asshole but so he's also not terribly bright no he's not

and that's a hard thing to act sometimes and i think the only way to act that is to kind of be is to process things slowly you know right right Right, right. This is liquid death, so it's mountain. Does that mean it's from the mountains or? You know what I mean, like just process things slower and then I think it comes off as if you're not as bright, but you know, there's the accent and then I worked on it with my acting coach. I mean, there was one session i was

doing with my coach terry knickerbocker and i stuttered on the word mama yeah because he's a mama's boy and and he said do that again and i said what do what again he says you you stammered when you said mama you went mama and i went really i did he's like yeah yeah, yeah, do it again, do it again. And I go, okay, yeah, so mama, and then it just became a thing, and it was this great thing for the character that he's got this weird Oedipal kind of fucked up thing. So you just folded that in. And just folded that in, and that was just a nice thing. I mean, there was one time way, way back,

my coach said, why don't you sing that line? Yeah. And I said, what do you mean? Like, as an exercise? Yeah. No, no. On the day, I think you should sing it. Yeah. And I said, you're out of your fucking mind.

He's like, no, no, try it. Yeah. And I did. It's in the movie. Yeah. I sang the line. Yeah. What movie?

Sometimes it's out the way, way back. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And so sometimes it takes these weird choices that are outside the box a little, you know. It's great. Yeah. It takes a village. I think you the box a little. It's great. Yeah. It takes ability. I think you need help. I need help.

Yeah. No, but it's, because you can't, like, you can make choices for yourself, but if you want, you know, if you, I like when people suggest shit. Yeah.

Because, like, when someone goes, can you just do it like that? I'm like, yeah, absolutely. I'll do it like that. I'm not one of these people that's like a- Totally. Yeah, yeah. It's like, here's what i want you to you know be a little more self-conscious i'm like no problem i can take a note just boom right away i'm like

yes i'll do it thank you i don't care who it comes that's matt damon was talking about that he said that he said he got it from bono when a song walks in the room yeah and he said that's kind of like when an idea walks in the room like yeah it And he said, that's kind of like when an idea walks in the room. Yeah. It doesn't matter who it's from. Sure. If an idea walks in the room, you better pay attention. Yeah.

You know? Sure. And take it from anybody. Well, I mean, comedy's a little different because you always got people that sort of like, hey, can I give you a tag?

I'm like, what? What does that mean, a joke? Like a punchline. Like if you have a joke and a comic will want to give you a little punchline or something to make it better. Oh, okay.'re you're not asking for it they're suggesting no no they're just like can i tag and i'm like okay what is it i'm like i don't know if that's really

for me but like some guy like one guy tagged a joke and it's one of the best tags i got yeah no shit well like i was doing this thing like uh like i do this setup of the there's a bit in this joke where I go like, you know, if you got a bat, if you're going to hit a guy with a bat, you know, you better have hit a guy with a bat before.

Yeah. You know, like, because like I'm talking about, not only could I not shoot a guy with a gun, I don't think I hit a guy with a bat. So that was what I had. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then this guy Scalero, Brian Scalero, who's very funny, goes, you know what you should say? She said, you should say, because you'll probably end up getting hit with your own bat. That's great, man.

It is great. And he's just, that's very generous of him. Well, yeah. I mean. To give you a tag. Yeah, yeah. I like when people give me tags. It doesn't happen too often. That's what I'm talking about.

Calling Richard Jenkins or Billy or, yeah. Yeah. What do you think of this? But you got to trust the cat, right? You got to trust the cat for sure. You got to feel safe. So what, so the Oscar thing,

I've been talking a long time. I mean, I've, I mean, I, the last time we'd been on the mics. Yes. Was 2016.

So a lot of stuff is bad for bad guys. No, no. This is when I interviewed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I've seen you obviously because we worked together and you know,

we, you, you were very helpful during my grieving period and we talked a lot during then. And she loved you. She was amazing. Yeah. And because you work with her.

But I wasn't around when you got that Oscar. Yeah man, that was a few years ago. Like now, now be honest with me. Things, yeah. Did you, like was there a campaign for it? man that was a yeah that was a few years ago like now don't be honest with me things yeah did you like was there a campaign for it well there's always a campaign for any of those right you know you yeah you obviously well you you have you you hire a publicist sometimes yeah to keep press at bay you know not always trying to get right press. Sometimes you're trying to keep it away. Yeah. So that's sometimes the publicist for somebody, I imagine somebody like, you know,

Sean Penn or Tom Cruise or somebody, they're going to want to do less press. Right. And so they're going to hire a publicist to keep it away. Right. But I think with something like that, you go, okay, you don't know if the movie's going to hit. We saw the movie, like, this is good.

I don't know if anybody's going to dig it. It's weird. Right. And then we go to Venice, and all of a sudden it's a standing ovation, and we're like, what the fuck is going on? So then you're like, oh, you smell the scent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh, this could go, as Francis McDormand said, this could go to the convention. He said, we're going to go to the convention she said we're gonna go to the convention you know that right the convention and i said uh yeah i guess maybe

you're right maybe we're going to the convention she's amazing she's amazing it was so funny because i saw her at the people choice awards you know and i've always wanted to have her on the show but she was yeah i've never been able to get her right yeah and uh uh and and she um she saw me, and I introduced myself. You were there. It was at the Screen Actors Guild Awards a few years ago. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I don't know if it was for that movie. Maybe it was for that movie.

I was up for a glow. Yeah, it was either that or, yeah, it must have been that. Right. So she comes up to me. She's like, oh, I love you. And I'm like, you know. Yeah. It was either that or, yeah, it must have been that. Right. So she comes up to me. She's like, oh, I love you. And I'm like, you know me? I want you to do my show. She's like, I don't know.

I love you on Glow. It was on Glow. That's awesome. So she loved me as an actor. I'm like, oh, that's even better. And she didn't know about your podcast. Not really. Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frances is unconventional. Yes. She's so cool. But see, like, that's a whole different game, right? Iventional, yes. She's so cool. But see, that's a whole different game, right? I mean, you work with her so much. But we talk about Meryl Streep, but she's another one, just a pinnacle, but totally different. Totally different, yeah.

Totally different. A total different quality and a different approach and different skill set. Yeah. Badass. Yeah. Yeah, badass. Both of Yeah. Yeah, badass. Both of them. Yeah, yeah.

So the Oscar, so you got the publicist. So yeah, you know, you got people who are in the know and you're trying to get this movie, like I'm trying to pump this movie, right? You're trying to get this movie some attention and you know you did good work in it yeah right right and you know francis did good work you got a you got a good movie here martin kicked its ass and so you want to get it you want people to pay attention to it right so

the oscar would only help that sure to people to see the fucking movie so yeah it it it stands to reason you're going to pump the movie as much movie. So it stands to reason you're going to pump the movie as much as you can. Everybody is. Yeah, you want to make it, you want people to see it. You're proud of it. So initially, it's sort of like about the movie. And then as the movie gets more attention,

you're sort of like, I kind of want one. Maybe we can get me one. Listen, nobody's going to be mad at an Oscar. You know what I mean? Except Marlon Brando. Except Marlon Brando. Except Marlon Brando. Yes, yes, apparently, yes. And a couple other people, yeah.

But I mean, you know, it's cool, man. It's a cool thing to have, and it's definitely like... Does it change anything? You know, it can change things in negotiations. Right, right. But you always work yeah i've it's not going to change that much i mean it is what it is but it's uh i think it depends on the person and what you do with it and how you yeah you know i think chris walken said

this is a house yeah when he got the oscar he's like this is a house you know meaning he's gonna yeah it's gonna pay for a house yeah that's what it was you know so it's what you make of it did you get a house i think it helped me get american buffalo maybe i don't know oh you would have gotten that i maybe i don't know maybe um but i mean like in this but you but you've always been a guy i mean that's the thing about even before the auspice you're a guy i've done i've done well i've done very well yeah yeah i like that i saw that richard jewell movie did anyone else oh yeah yeah you know people eventually did see it didn't initially not so much but that's my whole career is like is afterthought i like that movie though except for bad guys bad guys was a dude man that was crazy dude we got it we had a hit movie bro i

know big movie i think there might be a little sequel yeah have you have they reached out they they're definitely talking about no i know they're talking about it but that would be hot here's what i'm thinking i'm like did you get a call? And they're like, don't tell Mark. We're not sure about the snake. We're not sure. We're not sure. But the snake's going to be a jacket. I don't understand animation.

Snake boots. You're going to have snake boots. He's just at the beginning. He dies at the beginning. Don't tell Mark yet. He's going to have the boots. We've got a great lizard for you. Yeah. But I, like, I have no idea with anime.

It's funny because, like, I mean, when you do it, it took us forever. I mean, it's a tedious process for sure, yeah. But we were both in COVID and I was like, you know,

in pain and we were both, like, doing these different things and we were, but we actually got to do something that hardly ever happens. We worked. We did that shit together. Yeah. And I think it made a big difference.

It made a huge fucking difference. And then once we were, I worked with Awkwafina. I don't know if you got to work with her. I didn't. And then we had my friend Mike Goddard was helping us read stuff. That's right. And he does a lot of voices. And I think that was vital that you and I worked together. Yeah.

Because we play best friends in the thing. It's like if you don't, it would have been ridiculous. Yeah. And we were riffing. And Zazie. I worked with Zazie. But I think even that was remote. Yeah.

That was Zoom. Yeah. Yeah. We took the chance. We got tested up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

There was like a couple of times where they'd just have us go. Yeah. And we just did that stuff. Because you get that casualness to it. Yeah, and the overlapping dialogue like this was really important. But it's like everybody in that movie, here's the thing about

all of my animated characters aside from Lex Luthor in Super Pets, it's another thing where they had me in, I had no idea the scope of that movie or what it was going to be, but I'm like Lex Luthor in Super Pets. That's amazing. Yeah.

But to me, it's sort of like it was a thing. I used to go into this place. I'd talk into a mic. Is that the one with the rock and Kevin Hart? Yeah. Yeah. It just came out. Yeah.

Okay. I got to watch that. I got to watch that. Yeah. I don't know that I've seen the whole thing yet. Yeah. But you're doing Sam. You're just sort of like being cool.

And I'm like, hey, what are you? Why am I the guy that made the choice to do a voice that's going to shred my vocal cords? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I guess I was hard on your vocal cords. Yeah. But you were doing kind of like the curmudgeon-y Walter Matthau guy. Yes. Yeah.

And I think it fit because- The misanthrope. Yeah. The kids love it. Yeah, sure. I mean, are you getting that kind of feedback? They love it. No, they're flipping out.

It's great. Like what's happening for you with the kids? I got a couple of friends. They had kids. They went and saw it and they loved it. They loved it, yeah. Yeah. It was a lot of fun, man.

My buddy, my producer, my business partner, he's got a kid that knew you from another movie. Oh, yeah. Another animated movie. Yeah. From the one and only Ivan. Yeah, that's right. And he recognized it immediately. That's right. Yeah, we had a lot of fun with that.

With the Ivan movie? Yeah, I got to hang out with Danny DeVito a lot. Oh, that's funny. That was really fun. I was kind of doing Danny DeVito as Snake. You were kind of doing Taxi Danny DeVito. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Now that I think about it. Yeah, totally. But I was completely amazed. doing taxi danny devito yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah now that i think about it yeah totally but like i i i was completely amazed because you know you do that thing and it goes on a while and then you never see a script i know occasionally you'll see like some black and white drawings and feel like what's happening i know and then a year or two i don't know you don't know what the hell's going on it's out of context and you're like what's hey what are we doing again yeah and then you see the whole movie we're all like holy shit you guys made it and it was like we were number one at the box office we were number one about for weeks it's it's it's a

good it's a nice feeling it's a nice feeling to finally you know have one of those kind of like i don't know the last time i've had something like that you know how much movies made like like 150 million or something. It's fucking great. It's awesome. Are we going to see any of that? I don't know. That's right.

The sequel. The back end on those things. It's sort of like, yeah, when it makes a half a billion dollars. The bonuses come when you're dead. Everyone's going to get a piece at two man i i'd like to do another one it was fun yeah did you ever do f's for family with bill no yeah yeah oh you do that all the time huh we did that for yeah for five years it was fun it was a lot of fun you could curse and shit i remember yeah anything on that that was amazing me and Bill just fight in real life. You fight in real life? Yes. What do you guys fight about?

I don't fucking know. Anything fun? Aesthetic? He, no. He just like, you know, for some reason

he decides immediately when he sees me, he's like, oh, here we go. I'm like, what, what's happening?

Here we go. Yeah, yeah, it's like, what do we, he tells us. I think you guys would be a good pair i'd like we would i'd like to see a movie with that pair the only thing we argue about is is sort of like it not even politics really but just sort of like cancel culture stuff okay yeah you know like you know he's like you know they

can't and i'm like you know just you know so like but we got into a yeller man we got into it no shit yeah and i'm like well what the fuck do you want me to do he's like stop fucking yelling at me and i'm like you're yelling it was one of those things wow and we're in the dressing room at the comedy store and it's just one of these wow there's other people there and there's a standoff and i'm like what are we doing what are we gonna do because i don't think either of us are hitting each other. Has he been on the show? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Years ago, years ago. But I don't know. We were up in- I think that's nice, a little creative conflict maybe. I don't know, just conflict. He's one of those guys, because of how he grew up, you could probably see it in that show, where he had a dad that was a fucking anger guy. And I used to be this way. It's a know anger guy and you know he's like and i used

to be this way it's a very weird thing when you admittedly very angry yes yes but see that it's but to be the dude who rages you know what it's on stage is one thing but when you're out in the world and you're like you know bill talks about that yeah of course personal as a handicap yeah he talked i mean i do it too too, but the liability of it is is that most of those guys, when they're done, they're going to be like, hey, buddy, I'm sorry. And it's like, okay, so you had your arc, and now you've landed, and you're sorry,

but you made a fucking mess, bro. I mean, that's just a personal experience. Like, you know, obviously we're comics and, you know, it took me a minute. But I did go through a few months where I'm like, fuck it, I'm done with that shit. So that was a backstage thing. Yeah, and I'm like, I'm done with that shit. Fuck this shit. I'm not going to deal with that guy like that.

That was fucking uncalled for. And we were both doing it. But then I saw him in Montreal and I'm like, hey, you all right? Yeah, I'm all right. You guys are cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah all right yeah yeah yeah yeah we're a bunch of fucking gypsy weirdos yeah i feel like i've had that too with with somebody like an actor but i can't think of who but i think it's weird when those emotions come up

and it is weird and because it once you do that yeah in any kind of relationship yeah it's it's like never gonna be the same because you've just unleashed that thing so like you know whatever you were respecting before yeah that's fucked up like i've done it in regular relationships with women or whatever yeah you have that one fight where you're like uh-oh yeah it's gonna take you know i might that might not get back normal for a lifetime yeah yeah yeah i've had those yeah yeah yeah yeah we're just like you know whether you're young or crazy or just mad or you feel you know uh you know fucked with that's usually what it is it's like sure what do you what is that what do you mean yeah yeah the way what are you saying

yeah yeah that's i know that's that's you know how's your relationship good it's good we're doing great we're 15 years that's crazy 15 years yeah yeah um and did you you're you're mostly in new york in new york and we're here now because she's here doing a show la is an interesting experience yeah what are you feeling now you're in glale. What do you do around Glendale, man? I love fucking Glendale. So where do you go? What do you mean? For everything? I tend to, like, I'm literally three blocks away from Ralph's, Armenian Ralph's, I call it.

Armenian Ralph's? Yeah. It's some old school shit going on over there. Is Karl Malden there? Isn't he? No, but there's definitely two tables out front one for the old men yes and one for the old ladies just to give stink eye to the intruders you know what I mean like there's that slight feeling of queens that I like and they don't

have they have some things they just don't have there and then there's a Vons yeah I judge my life by where I can go shop for food yeah there's a Vons five minutes whole foods five minutes bottle coffee around here? Nah, I don't care about that. I make all my own coffee. You make your own coffee, yeah. You're a good coffee game, I imagine. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do most of my own cooking, but they have great Persian food out here, but I got Fish King,

a real fish market close by. That's right. You're a big cook the fish and do the thing. Yeah, of course. I like it. And then, you know, and I'm like... You like salt the fish, right? I was smoking some sable for a while, but I gave that up. That sounds hard. It wasn't that hard.

I got like a suburban smoker out there. Yeah. I'm going to cook a chicken later. Yeah, man. I'm five minutes away from the Americana. I got everything I need here, and it's like I can get to the comedy store at night in like 25 minutes. So this is very accessible to everything other than the West Side.

And I just never go there. I don't know what that life is. I don't know what's happening on Santa Monica. You're not missing anything. Nothing. I don't know. You're not missing anything. If they want me to do a meeting in Culver City, I'm like, I don't know.

It's going to have to be like at one in the afternoon or no go. Because I am not. That's a trip, isn't it? That's a trip. It's all a trip. I'm supposed to see a friend in Mal or no go. Cause I am not. That's a trip, isn't it? That's a trip. It's all a trip. I'm supposed to see a friend in Malibu and that's a long, that's a fucking, that's a commitment.

It's a day. Yeah. That other kid, that kid who bought my house, you know, he lives out there. Yeah. Yeah.

He's got a place out there. Yeah. Brian's got a shack out there. Yeah. Surf shack. Yeah. But he, he did something amazing with that tiny little shitty house I had.

Yeah. Like he really kind of, uh, he redid it and it's, uh, it's kind of something. Yeah. He's got a place,

Matt Ross, my friend Chris Messina's got a little surf shack out there. What, Clark Gregg, you know Clark Gregg? Yeah, yeah. He was at the show,

he saw Buffalo the night I was there. Clark, Clark. Clark did. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you guys,

you ran off and partied I think. Yes. No, he doesn't party. Yeah, I know. But I took him home. You know he's a black belt in jujitsu? Of course I think. Yes. No, he doesn't party. Yeah, I know. But I took him home. You know he's a black belt in jujitsu?

Of course he is. Clark Gregg, did you know that? That guy seems like a black belt in everything. He's a badass. He's just sort of one of those guys where it's just sort of like, you know, it's like, it's tight, man. Whatever it is, it's tight. Yeah, he's very competitive and he's, you know, he directed a movie did, a Chuck Palahniuk movie, Choke.

I like that movie. He's a good writer, too. You do some fun movies. I do some fun, some weirdo parts, yeah. I do some weirdo parts. Tell me about that Schrader movie, if you have any memories of that. Oh, fucking A, yeah. Light Sweeper.

Yeah. Because I just saw, I just watched his new movie. Oh, what's his new movie? Dude. What's it about? Who's in it? It's Sigourney's in it. Oh, Sigourney's in it oh sigourney's in

master gardener might be his last one oh fuck it's uh it's sigourney and joel edgerton oh i love joel edgerton that's great how would they say edgerton edgerton yeah i don't know but he's a fucking i love animal kingdom i love that movie i don't know if i saw that oh my god you got to see animal what is that one ben mendelsohn and joel i like ben mendelsohn oh man it's great bunch of Australians. Oh, you got to see about bank robbers in Australia. No shit. Guy Pearce. You got to see this fucking movie.

This guy, he's brilliant. I forgot his name. He's fucking brilliant. What's it called? Animal Kingdom? Yeah, you got to see it, man. It's great. But the thing about Schrader, dude, these last few movies.

I know. It's like a trilogy. Like the card. The one with Ethan. The one with Ethan and then the one with Oscar and this one. a trilogy like the card the one with Ethan the one with Ethan and then the one with Oscar and this one that's right

he did one with Oscar with Joel the card counter I gotta see the one yeah I gotta see that I loved Ethan in that movie man he was great Ethan can do it

he can do it yeah that was great man I loved what he did in that well Ethan's like I'm trying to watch that the thing he you're in that the documentary

yeah the Paul Newman thing yeah it was very interesting to me. I watched one episode of it and it so humanized Paul Newman for me that I'm not even sure I liked him anymore. I mean, you know, listen, it's a very, it's a very intense story, you know?

It's brutal because- Maybe it's actor shit that- It's totally actor shit. You know? But just the idea that like that guy who was in the shadow of everybody and didn't really know who he was was you know married to the greatest actress in the world yeah yeah yeah yeah and then he then

he sort of well he he had to like i like the whole idea and i'm only at the end of the first thing where he's like he had to reckon with the fact that he was average yeah yeah and figure out how to work from his true self in order to do the work. As opposed to, you know, because I saw that movie. Did you ever see Someone Up There Likes Me? No. Is it good? I never saw it. Well, I didn't know anything about him.

I saw The Verdict. Well, that's way later. It's great. I just watched it. I told Garfield to watch it. Yeah, yeah. He'd never seen it. That's right.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But Someone Up There Likes Me plays Rocky Graziano, right? The fighter. It's a real story. And, you know, and it's right at that time where he doesn't really know who he is. And he's got to be an old fighter at some point. I'm watching all these Criterion fight movies.

I'm not a boxing guy. But for some reason, I got into it. Yeah. And I can see it. And after I saw the first episode of that documentary, I get it. Because the first half of the movie where he's a young Rocky, he's's just doing the italian kid thing like i'm a troublemaker you know like you know he's like getting into trouble and he's you know what are you gonna do you're gonna be a fight you gotta be a fight he's okay but as soon as they put the fucking nose on him for the second half of the

movie when he's older he gets it and i can see it happen like he he i don't know if it was the prosthesis i don't know what but it's sort of like he, I don't know if it was the prosthesis. I don't know what. But it's sort of like he landed. And it's sort of like that's, and that was his big break. But that's where I could see, like, he nailed it. I got to see that. I haven't watched that. I watched Fat City recently.

That's great. Man, it's good. What's her name? She's great. Yeah, what's her name? Teresa. Susan Terrell. Susan Terrell, man.

She's got the things unzipped. She's just so good. So good. You don't even know how that happens. Exactly. Whatever that was, no craft is going to make that happen. I mean, I don't know. Who knows?

Maybe she was a great stage actress. I don't know. But who knows? Exactly. But the fight movies, the one thing I realized about them is that there's a reason why. Yeah. You notice how the boxing gets better? Sure.

Kind of. Like Creed, the boxing was really good. Oh, right. Sure. But the movie is always the same fucking movie. It's always the same fucking movie. It really is always the same movie. Fat City as a movie is great.

It's great. But it's always the manager and the fucking washout and the guy they want to throw a fight and the guy who takes the big money and you know like but it's all the same movies yeah

but the fucked up thing about watching these things is I realized that Scorsese with Raging Bull you know you think it's some great aesthetic choice

to make it black and white but to be honest with you it's totally practical because to sell those noses you can't sure it's so much easier to sell those noses, you can't. Sure. It's so much easier in black and white. Sure, sure, sure.

Are you talking about the Paul Newman thing? Yeah, yeah. Because I bought it, but if it was in color, you're not going to buy it. No fucking way. You're not going to buy it. No fucking way, that's right, because he had a prosthetic the whole time

for Raging Bull, right? Half of it, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a fucked up nose. Yeah, totally. That's true. That's true. That is a practical thing.

But getting back to Schrader, at the time you worked with him, it was like fairly close to Taxi Driver, right? He made me, well, it was about, it was a good 15 years after. I guess so.

Or 10 years after. He was definitely like early 90s and I was a kid and you know, it's funny, I screamed in a pillow and smoked a bunch of cigarettes to get my voice really deep and then we ended up looping it I had to recreate that sound

and I totally blew my voice out for that I was trying to get that kind of drug addict sound cause you had like two big scenes right Michael Wincock thing you know that Michael Wincock has that voice I wanted to get that voice. I don't know.

Who's he? You know, he's in Nope. He's in Nope right now. Yeah, yeah. And I wanted to get that voice. Oh, that guy. Yeah. Yeah, man.

He showed up in Nope, that dude. Yeah. I haven't seen him in a while. He's great. Great actor. Yeah. And so I wanted to get that. Anyway, we looped the whole fucking scene eventually.

But he made me wear this jacket. Schrader made me wear this jacket. The leather jacket? This leather jacket, like, upstages the whole fucking scene eventually. But he made me wear this jacket. Schrader made me wear this jacket. The leather jacket? This leather jacket, like, upstages the entire scene. Yeah. It's, like, it's neon. But when you read that, it's different. It's a different script than he usually writes.

He sort of evolved in this. I think, like, you know, everything up from autofocus becomes something deeper and darker and less explainable than where he was at with, like, Sleeper. Yeah, and the one with Nolte is really in James Corden. Oh, my God. That's pretty amazing. That's fucking...

Affliction? That's amazing. But that's after that. It's like Affliction, Autofocus, The Priest movie. Autofocus. I loved Autofocus. Oh, my God, dude. Yeah, Greg Kinnear.

Dude. He's great, man. When they're just sitting there on the couch at opposite ends, jerking off, like nothing's going on that's right that's right remember her i do yeah you know that's the best that's the best man that's amazing um yeah of course he did autofocus yeah but i love great i just saw great canary in something yeah with uh paul hauser he was great and he was great yeah he's good so fun to watch okay so this movie so what kind of movie do you call this movie uh this would be uh it's a new it's a genre you know we kind of like see how they run because it's like a it's like a kind of a riff on that murder mystery business yeah

it's like i guess like knives out knives kind of knives out agatha christie comedy mystery it seems to all of a sudden have this resurgence i think knives out knives out kind of brought it back yeah just opened the portal yes yes yeah you know hopefully big cast fun movie who done it yes who done it period pieces period pieces yeah yeah yeah Who directed this one? This guy, Tom, he did a show called This Country. Yeah. Tom George. Yeah.

And so he's used to a lot of improv-y stuff. And so we had a big two-week rehearsal period that was really fun. Yeah. During the kind of semi-lockdown in London. It was fun. I mean, we got to like-lockdown in London. It was fun. I mean, we got to like, it was kind of like doing a play. I haven't rehearsed that long for a movie ever. But you did a lot of group stuff.

Yeah, it was cool. Got the team together. Yeah, we did all the testing shit. I didn't even know that was that guy, Oyololo. Yeah, David Aiello. Aiello. I thought it was Aiello. I don't know.

I just say Aiello. I think if you look at the spelling, it's going to confuse you. I think you just got to go. I talked to him. Just do it phonetically. Yeah,llo. I think if you look at the spelling, it's gonna confuse you. I think you just gotta go. Well, I talk to him. Just do it phonetically. Yeah, yeah. You talk to him? Yeah.

Yeah, he's a good guy. Great guy. He's a very fit guy. Is he? Very fit. How you doing with that? You seem all right. I'm doing all right, I'm doing all right.

You know, I'm 53, I'm hanging in there. I'm 50, I'm gonna be 59. Really? Is that true? I saw the pull up the dips and stuff. Yeah, I can do it. I can do a couple. I mean, I work out like three times a week, and I just hike up a mountain twice, three times a week.

That's good. You got to move it or lose it. Get blood to the brain. Yeah, I... This thing's floating around this mic. Yeah, I guess so, but what are we working towards? I mean, I do... That's a good fucking question, man don't know i really don't know

i'm like i i work out like crazy i look in the mirror like just this is the result yeah average that's where i thought i'm gonna i want to look i want to see joel edgerton when i look at the i want to see brad but i'm like this is it but you know when you see those guys it's like that's their job yeah sure sure sure you know they know, they're not casually staying in shape. No, of course. Those guys that are trying to act casual with their six-packs and they're 50, it's like you never leave the gym. And you don't eat anything with any fat on it.

Yeah, I think I do it more for mental reasons now. Oh, for me too, yeah. I think that's to clear my head. It's an active meditation, I guess. I don't know. The hiking is for me. Yeah. Because I always heard about people talk about like the high that they get it's a it's a active meditation i guess i don't know the hiking is for me like because i i always

heard about people talk about like the high that they get from running or stuff and i never really noticed the endorphin thing yeah but i've been high sure like i've done coke so i'm not gonna hard to replace yeah i'm not gonna run for an hour and be like holy shit really good blue bottle coffee maybe but then you get tired and weird and nauseous. Yeah. But I, it doesn't work out. You cross the, what do you call it? Threshold. Yeah. But no, but now I get it because like when you're hiking, like you got a sustained incline

going, your heart's fucking going. I'm like, oh yeah. You know what? There you go. That's what it is. I went on a hike recently and I was surprised how much of a workout. Jacked. Yeah.

Jammed. I was like, wow. Yeah. It's a good workout. Oh, they're the best. Yeah. Yeah. Do you run? I do sprints. Jacked. Yeah. Jammed. I was like, wow. Yeah. It's a good workout. Oh, they're the best. Yeah. Yeah. Do you run?

I do sprints. I don't run. You sprint. I can't do long ones. On the treadmill? Yeah. I do like 30 second sprints. That's it.

I just do this 50 minute incline. That's good, man. And then I do like a 20 minute down climb. That's, the incline's great. Yeah. Going down's the tricky part, right? On the knees. You know what I mean?

I don't got bad knees but you just like I'm running down this massive hill and I'm old but like but I've been doing it for a while but I not a day does it go by where I don't think like

dude you know like if you go down you know you might be out of the game permanently yeah is it worth it

and I'm like yeah what if you run up the hill and walk down well I mean I'd like to work towards that sounds you run up the hill and walk down? Well, I mean, I'd like to work towards that. Sounds like a much longer joke. I mean, this is like a massive hill, dude. Yeah.

And to run up, it would be something. No, no, you don't want to run up. Not in the sun, anyway. I go early. I was up there at eight. Yeah. Today was okay. Yeah, I couldn't.

I'm walking down. So, what are you doing tonight? Tonight, Leslie's making some chicken. Oh, really? I'm going to hang out. I'm going to cook a chicken. Yeah. Well, yeah, if you want, come to making some chicken. Oh really? Gonna hang out. I'm gonna cook a chicken. Yeah, she's cooking.

Well yeah, if you want, come to the Comedy Store. I'm gonna be. You're going to the Comedy Store? I am. And tomorrow. Oh yeah? I only go to the Comedy Store. And who do you see, who you run into there?

We're at the store? Yeah, who are the other comedians you run into? Tonight? I mean, who's been around? You know, Sebastian's around. Oh, Sebastian. Leslie just did a movie with Sebastian. Yeah, a lot, a lot.

Oh yeah? Yeah, yeah. What movie's that? Sebastian and Leslie play husband and wife. It's coming out. It's about his dad. His dad was a hairdresser, and he talks about his father. Oh, it's actually, he wrote the movie? Yeah, it looks like a funny movie, like Meet the Parents.

Oh, but it's Sebastian's movie? Yeah. Oh, that's something, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's huge. He's huge right now. Are you still's something, huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's huge. He's huge right now. Are you still listening to old stuff? You obviously saw the George Carlin documentary.

Occasionally I'll listen to Shimmel. But outside of Shimmel, I don't listen to too much old comedy. Bill Hicks, nobody like Richard Pryor? Well, I knew them. Yeah, I knew Hicks. And yeah, I can listen to Hicks sometimes. Yeah, yeah. But I don't listen to much comedy. Pryor, I watched Pryor not too long ago. Yeah, I knew Hicks. And yeah, I can listen to Hicks sometimes. Yeah, yeah. But I don't listen to much comedy.

Prior, I watched Prior not too long ago. Yeah. Some old stuff just to sort of, sometimes you have to re-engage with what made them great. But I knew Hicks. And I come up with, it's like it's a little weirder when there are people you know. But there's some people that genuinely make me laugh.

And the album, you said the red fox album there's a bunch of records no i mean you got to wash your ass sure that's a later album but what he became popular for were something called party records and they were they were they were i can't remember the label but there's a bunch of them okay and they're just dirty fucking joke record i'll show them to you in the house. Okay. Okay. All right, buddy. Good talk. All right. Good. All right, man. Thanks, man. See how they run. Sam's new movie is now in theaters. That was fun to talk to Sam. Fun. Always fun to talk to Sammy. All right. Hang out a second, will you, people? You can get anything you need with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So no, You can get anything you need with Uber Eats.

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There's not been a Volume 2, so instead of waiting to make another record, we've put it together for you Full Marin subscribers. It's got songs from Amy Mann, Billy Gibbons of ZZ Top, James Mercer of The Shins, Nick Lowe, Blues Traveler, and more. All performed in the garage at various times over the past 13 years. All those, I believe, are from the original garage. It's in your feed now if you're a full Marin subscriber, if you haven't subscribed yet, go to the link in the episode description or go to WTF pod dot com and click on WTF plus. Next week, Sigourney Weaver on Monday and Abigail Disney on Thursday. Sigourney and I talked about her whole career.

She's definitely a powerful presence, a powerful woman in cinema history, a game changer. presence, a powerful woman in cinema history, a game changer. Abigail Disney, very interesting, is the grandniece of Walt, who has made a documentary about the labor practices in the country, but specifically in Disney, in Disneyland. She uses her family's legacy to sort of make some points about wage disparity and other things. It's kind of a great talk. Tonight, I'm in Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater and then Fort Collins, Colorado tomorrow at the Lincoln Center. I'm in Toronto, Ontario at the Queen Elizabeth Theater on September 30th and October 1st. Then I'm in Livermore, California at the Bankhead Theater on October 6th and Carmel-by-the-Sea, California at the Sunset Center on October 6th and Carmel by the Sea, California at the Sunset

Center on October 7th. I'll be in London, England at the Bloomsbury Theater Saturday and Sunday, October 22nd and 23rd. And stay tuned for details about a special live taping of WTF while I'm out there in London. I'll be in Dublin, Ireland at Vicar Street Wednesday, October 26th. Then in November and December, I'm in Oklahoma City, Dallas, San Antonio, Houston, Long Beach, California, Eugene, Oregon, Bend, Oregon, Asheville, North Carolina, and Nashville, Tennessee. This all leads up to my HBO special taping at Town Hall in New York City on Thursday, December 8th.

Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all the dates and ticket info. Here's some another take on the same old shit on my Stratocaster. Thank you. Thank you. Boomer lives. Monkey and La Fonda. Cat angels everywhere. Cat angels everywhere.