WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1565 - Blair Socci

Episode Date: August 15, 2024

Blair Socci comes from an athletic family with a hardened ancestral backstory involving throat slashing and exile. But despite her exterior toughness, Blair spent her youth enjoying poetry, journaling and creative writing. If she hadn't caught the comedy bug, she intended to become a novelist. Blair and Marc talk about her volleyball prowess, how athletics prepared her for comedy, and why she recently felt the need to abandon her anti-social media stance. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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fuck? Nicks? What the fucking adians? What's happening? I'm Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. Couple of things. There's I guess a couple of some things were brought to my attention about the the last show when I did a sort of a ramble on on the pride of being a childless cat lady man and sort of a a kind of a rallying cry to all people that choose not to have kids and why that's okay and why it's not a detriment to those individuals or to their patriotism necessarily. And I just kind of like talked about that. Childless people who live with it and want it that way. But I got a couple of emails that kind of brought it

to my attention that not everybody who doesn't have children didn't want them. And I hear you, I have that in my family. My brother and his wife back in the day couldn't have their own kids. They chose to adopt. But I know that's another form of childlessness. And I want to acknowledge that. And I apologize leaving you out.

But I do know that you get lumped in with the sort of aggressive attack by the right on childless people and your anger should be even deeper than those of us who choose not to have them for whatever reason we fucking want to. So shout out to you and my heart goes out to you and I'm sure you're you're you take Beautiful care of your animals and also have a lot of love for the kids in your family extended family another thing just in terms of people who listen to my show and how Interesting they are Really, you know cuz I I ramble on here a bit. And I think a couple episodes ago, I was yammering on,

this is the great age of the yammering. This is the age of the yammering. And I think I've called it that before. The age of impending fascism and nonstop yammering, primarily by white guys with microphones. On all levels. There's no end to it. See this scrolling business that I've gotten myself

involved in, sometimes good, sometimes bad, but it does really kind of like punch through the fact that there's a lot of dudes with microphones talking about fucking nothing. If I see another group of two to five guys sitting around a table with microphones discussing things like well, you know, what was the last time you shit your pants or what's the worst situation you farted in or You know, did you sister ever date someone you hated? What'd you do about that?

It's just it's sort of like an infinite loop of mediocre afternoon radio talk, but that's the world we live in. And then of course there's politics. But my fans are my people, my listeners, many are very thoughtful, many are very sensitive, many are angry, many are creative. It's a pretty broad spectrum of a lot of different types of sensitivities.

I wouldn't put them all on the dramatic cluster of personality disorders, but you know, many are, but some of them are functioning people, most of you. I'm just making a joke. But the point being is I rambled on a bit about seagulls the other day, kind of innocently, because there's one that seems to be just outside of my window up here on the 17th floor of this building I'm in. A couple of them I see quite often, you know, kind of circling the Canadian flag on the building next door. And I can't even remember exactly what I was talking about, but I do remember singing Bad Company Seagull. But it was about a story about this seagull

and then a seagull I saw with a chicken wing in his mouth back when I was actually tripping on mushrooms with my roommate Lance in college. And it was really something, it was just, it was nothing really. It was just something that was happening in my periphery and I needed to talk about something. But I got an email about some guy, Liam.

He writes two quick points about gulls. So this is how this landed with this guy. First, I'm reading it. The two gulls you were reflecting on, Vancouver, Boston, might have been two entirely different species. Maybe the former was a Glaucus winged gull. Did it have gray rather than black wingtips? Don't know Liam. While the latter was an American herring gull, black wingtips with white mirrors. Don't

know, didn't notice any rear views. Folks call these and all sorts of other species quote-unquote seagulls, but there's a lot of fascinating diversity out there. Keep an eye out for little details and you might be surprised. Now, maybe this will inspire me to be a little more kind of focused and in depth with my bird watching, but I don't think so. I'm okay with, you know, just looking at birds. I sit on my porch and I look at birds. I enjoy birds and I know there's a lot of biodiversity in the bird world, so much. And I've got a book on my porch with all the different birds.

I've looked it up a couple of times, some birds a couple of times. I got the app for the bird songs, which works pretty well. But I mean, once you get the three or four that are around your house, you've kind of, you've done it to you. Those are the ones. And I can't even tell you which ones are which.

And I'm not even sure, Liam, that I'm gonna really, I've gotta get binoculars to do the seagull research, but I appreciate that somehow or another me rambling about seagulls made you, you took it upon yourself to teach me a little something and I'll take it. I'll take it because it was not a reaction that I thought I'd get about the birds.

And I thank you for listening. But then there was a second part to the email. He goes, second, I'm not surprised to hear you thought differently of the Boston birds scarfing a chicken wing. But my colleagues and I have done some research on the history of gull culling and conservation. And I'll offer this as a warning.

People seem to project their fears about humanity onto gulls, especially but not limited to their own vices I'll offer this as a warning people seem to project their fears about humanity onto goals Especially but not limited to their own vices and anxieties about urban decay now. That's a that's a big thought. It's a big idea Anthropomorphism in general is something we all do all lovers of animals we will we will create fairly big and in depth and Personalities to our animals, but but maybe you're right. Maybe you're right. Maybe that bird was just eating garbage. It's probably not.

I guess my point was there was something apocalyptic about a leftover chicken wing and a bird's mouth. Sure, sure. Maybe I read into it. But again, Liam, thank you. Thank you for your email. I appreciate it. And then I do, and I learned something and I'm thinking about things.

But this was another email I got someone responding to my latest conversation with moon Zappa and Beth Stelling. And this person, uh, said, I also appreciate your recent shout outs to the social work profession and social work school. We were taught that one way to think about where people are is through a biopsychosocial model. Wow! Where bio is whatever brain chemistry is in your DNA, psycho is how you were raised and social is the broader community, how people treat your group, racism, et cetera. Thought you might find that useful. I do, god damn it.

I do find it useful. All these things are just kind of percolating in my brain. I'm sorry about the phones in the other room. I'm not gonna go turn off the ringer. Then today, I'm talking to somebody who said they knew somebody with histrionic personality disorder and I'm like what is that? What is that? Is this a new one? And then I learned something about the dramatic cluster of personality disorders which I referenced

earlier. There's an A cluster, a B cluster, and a C cluster. The A cluster, odd or eccentric disorders, paranoid personality disorder, schizoid personality disorder, schizotypal personality disorder. There's cluster B, emotional or erratic disorders, antisocial personality disorder, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, which is pervasive pattern of attention-seeking behavior,

including excessive emotions, an impressionistic style of speech, inappropriate seduction, exhibitionism, and egocentrism. Then there's narcissistic personality disorder on that B cluster and then cluster C you have avoidant personality disorder, dependent personality disorder, obsessive compulsive personality disorder. And these kind of things just blow my mind. That all this stuff is categorized, there are diagnoses, there are profiles, but when I look at almost all of these,

I would say all of these, these are many people I've known in comedy. Including myself on some level. But obviously everybody has traits of this or that. But whether you are pathological, that's up to a doctor to decide. But so like my brain, full of a lot of stuff, a lot of interesting stuff.

Know a little bit more about goals, will know a little bit more about social work, and now like I'm going to be mildly down the rabbit hole of the cluster of emotional disorders. Because we all want answers. We all want answers, folks. The dramatic cluster of personality disorders. Today on the show, I talk to Blair Socky. She's very funny.

She's a comedian with a brand new comedy special that just came out, Blair Socky, Live at the Big Dog. I don't know, she's one of these people that I kind of saw around and then I saw some clips of her and it's a rare thing, man, to see a truly unique comedian with a very specific point of view, specific voice, specific delivery. It doesn't happen that often. They're out there, but they are, I would say, underappreciated. Because when you're sort of dealing in a world where the major streaming services put most of their effort

and money behind mildly charismatic, efficiently talented, mediocre people and hacks, you know, it becomes a problem because, and it's always been this way. Look, I'm not gonna sit here and complain like some old man about the state of comedy or the state of the art or what I think about other comics. You know, I'm pretty vocal about that

and I've talked shit about other comics before and I guess because I don't know I got this weird DM from some guy he's like how does it feel to have better jokes than almost any other comedian but but not be successful because you're you come across as arrogant and condescending yeah that I guess that might be because I'm better but thank you for the note but then I'm glad for I'm glad to find a compliment in the middle of that trolling garbage. But it is sort of an interesting idea that when somebody truly unique kind of really surfaces and becomes very popular, it's kind of an amazing thing because they're straddling something.

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calm I had this weird tart in thought today about the success of the pseudo edgelord, anti-woke, I might get canceled, hat culture of comedy, and just the sort of gratuitous, shock-driven filth comedy, which I've done in my life. I'm not judging that part of it. But the first part maybe is that ultimately on some level certainly since You know dice became huge. This has always been you know a

strong kind of tribe of comedy and It's always been popular at certain people And other comedy is popular with other people. But there is a strata. There is a line of truly gifted comics and truly talented people. And they run the gamut of points of view and everything else. I think that what's happening now, just by virtue of technology and the ability

to build massive audiences based on relatively little talent is that it's all much bigger. And I just believe that when you lower the bar without any real balance, is no one really, it's challenged in a deep way and genius gets marginalized. And I always think it's been that way. High bar work in a low bar world is always relatively underappreciated

unless it's the Olympics, but that's just the way it is. You know, but there is this culture of judging people's success by the number of followers, the number of hits, and certainly by money, which, you know, oddly has never really been any, those have never been any of my goals you certainly want to find an audience but if I really wanted to make money in terms of what I do creatively I I would have picked a fucking different profession but it picked me it picked me it's very important to me that I can eat the way I want to eat while I'm traveling and splitting my time

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Can you dig it? Someone hip to me to the fact that St. Vincent was playing here night before last in Vancouver. And I went because I had interviewed her and I've seen her around a bit and I had her email address and I wrote to her. Annie, are you playing? Does this still your email? Can I come?

And she, uh, she put me on the list and it was spectacular. What a great fucking performer. And she's another one. She's a person that takes a lot of risks, takes, uh, uh, changes me on the list and it was spectacular. What a great fucking performer. And she's another one. She's a person that takes a lot of risks, takes a changes up her sound, explores, does interesting shit with music and is a fucking awesome performer. If you have an opportunity to go see St. Vincent on this tour, do it. Even if you're not sure about her or don't know about her or only know one record just go It's a fucking great show. I stayed for the whole show

You know me how often do I stay for the whole show? So Blair Sockie, I love this comedian. She's very funny. She's her a unique thing unique style a unique thing, unique style, a unique delivery, a unique way of joke writing, a unique way of talking. It's just, she's a unique person and I will always celebrate the unique people versus the sort of the never ending parade of mildly charismatic, efficiently talented, mediocre acts. Yeah, maybe that's it. Maybe they speak to most of the country

and maybe that's why I have my audience and they have theirs and mine's just the right size for me. Just the right size. So Blair's new special is called Live from the Big Dog. It's available now at Veepz.com and this is me talking to Blair for really the first time. Do you like Black Sabbath? I can't say I'm super versed. Oh, okay. Yeah. It's not a trick question.

It's not a game changer. It's not a deal breaker. Oh, no. I have a commitment to 100% candor. Oh yeah? Yeah. Is this a new commitment or is this a- No. But it's a conscious choice?

Yes. So you're just gonna be honest no matter what? I mean, no, no, well, I guess I'll just, I would be like, I can't answer answer that or I don't know the answer That's good. Yeah. Yeah, like I've never heard of that, right? So instead of going like uh-huh or or just say like I don't know. Yeah, because I'm like, oh that's that's real connection You know, yeah I'm also really I'm also painfully literal.

Yeah. Where like, because I say what I mean, that I assume everyone else is doing that. Right. And my therapist is always like, no, that's not. That's not how people interact. Yeah. They kind of politely say what they need to say

to get through that immediate moment. Yeah. And then they walk away and judge. Yeah, but not honesty. Like, you know those other people that will say, like, it will be harsh or acerbic, and they're like, I'm just being honest. I don't do that either.

I learned a lesson about that. I think a lot of comedians are like that. Well yeah, because we assume that we can all take it, yet we're all the most sensitive idiots in the world, and we pretend like we can take it, and then it just festers, and you walk away going, fuck that guy. Yeah, yeah, totally, because absolutely.

Because you're like, oh, I'm being honest with concern for how you will take it, not like I'm being honest with concern for how you will take it. Not like I'm going to drop a freaking bazooka on you. Right. That's what some guy told me years ago in the rooms. Yes. He was like, because I was so proud of myself, I was like sober a minute. And I just told, I was like, I think I was married at the time and I just told that woman

some horrible truth. Sure. Cause I thought like, this is what you do when you're sober and it was not what to do. Right. And this guy says to me, don't, you can't use honesty as a weapon. Sure.

And I'm like, oh, fuck. Now I'm gonna remember that for the rest of my life. Yeah, well, I think sometimes you have to swing that way to get to the middle. Yeah, always. Yeah. So like, I think I you have to swing that way to get to the middle. Yeah, always. Yeah. So like, I think I've been pronouncing your name wrong. Oh, that's fine.

You know, nothing offends me less. I rarely even correct people. I'm like, it's interpretive, whatever you want. But you say it's Saki? Saki, sure, my grandpa decided that. Oh really? Yeah. But was it Sochi?

Yes. But he said Saki. Yeah. Italian guy? Yes. And also, apparently, the rumor is that there was Italian racism, which is hard to believe, but you know. If there's a race, there's racism.

Yeah. Well, I like, like when he come, like my, my great grandfather actually, like my dad's whole side is from back East, he's a hundred percent Italian. And like my great grandfather had a fruit stands in the Bronx and like actually got his throat slashed cause he like refused to pay like the t- He lived, which is even crazier. With the scar?

Yeah, they like made him, it was called the black hand back then. Before it was even the mafia. Yes, and they made him go, and then they made him go back to Italy for two years. What, just like Godfather 2. I know, I know, yeah. And he could have been at the fruit stand

where the Godfather was shot. Yeah. Yeah, so that was a wild thing. So he changed his name, like, I think he worked for like Xerox or something, my grandpa. Yeah. And he changed his name to Dan Stewart from- So, okay, wait, so he goes back to Italy after they cut his throat?

Oh, no, this isn't him. This is a different... Oh, this, you're talking about your great-grandfather? Yeah. The one with the fruit stand? Yeah. He goes back to Italy, never to return? Oh, no, they returned.

They came back. Yeah. That was my grandma's father. Okay. Yeah. So, but like, this is part of the family mythology. Yeah. Got his throat cut by the black hand because he wouldn't give them shakedown money. Yeah. And it got sent back to to where the black hand comes from. Yeah. That's crazy. I know. And then he came back. Came back. Oh my god. Tough,

tough, tough guy. Yeah, after you get your throat cut and then have to go home. Yeah, I'd be like, I think I'd be like, I'm good here. Oh yeah, oh, the pasta's good here. No need. It's good enough. Yeah. But why did he, why do you think he got, went back? To Italy.

New York? No. Oh no, they made him go back to Italy. The Black Hand did? Yeah. That was his punishment? Yeah, they forced exile. And I don't even have that much information about this.

The way that I know about this is one handwritten account from my great aunt who just died at 99 years old. That's pretty good. So we don't have that much info. But that's a pretty good story. It doesn't seem like one of those ones that you'd make up, especially they sent him home part because you never hear that part. Yeah, he was only there for two years.

In Italy? Yeah, like the exile. The exile, yeah. So that was his punishment to go and, I wonder what he did over there, you have no idea. No, I have like barely information. And then your mom was from the Bronx? No, no, this was my dad's side.

My mom is from Palos Verdes. So, what was the Xerox story? That was your grandfather? Oh, that was my grandpa, my dad's dad. Good. He lost the Sochi. Yeah. So, apparently just from that era, I guess if you were Italian, you sounded uneducated or something. So, he changed his name to an American name, which is so hard to believe now. You know? Stuart. Yeah. Well, I guess it must've been a time when that first wave of immigrants came in,

like with all of them, you know, Irish had a rough go at it, the Italians, but they got tough. And the Jews just figured out a way to work the system. Yeah, totally. But there were some tough Jews. You know, there were Jewish boxers, Jewish mobsters, all that stuff. But I guess I would argue you're all tough. Like getting through all that. I would argue you're a resilient people.

Seems like it. Yeah. Yeah, it was an old Lenny Bruce bit about, I don't remember how it goes, but you know, the Pharaoh is like, bring in the Jew, he's charming. Sure. Yeah. But yeah, I guess it was rough for everybody. But so how does your dad get from there to here?

Your grandfather was at Xerox in New York? I don't know. Stewart? Honestly, I don't even know if it was Xerox. It was like one of those companies. I'm pretty sure it was Xerox, but I'm not sure. And he got transferred, my dad's senior of high school, to Tustin, and so they all moved out.

Where's that? From New Jersey, Tustin in Orange County. Jersey. Yeah. They were in Jersey. Yeah, they were in Jersey. Yeah, I'm Jersey. Where in Jersey?

I was born in Jersey. Oh, really? My people were from Jersey. I like to say I'm genetically Jersey? Yeah, I'm Jersey. Where in Jersey? I was born in Jersey. Oh really? My people are from Jersey. I like to say I'm genetically Jersey. Yeah. Yeah, where? Pumpkin Lakes, Bergen County, where were your people? I don't really know.

You don't have any people in Jersey anymore? No, my dad grew up in Maplewood, I believe. Yeah, I have no idea where that is. Yeah, I don't know anything about it. So he comes out here to Tustin, Where's that? Orange County. It's Orange County You already said that like but I have no sense of Orange County. Oh, I guess it would be like Northeast Orange County Okay. Yeah, but that's like a big shift. Yes, and then when does when does Saki come back? When did when does when do they reown? Oh, well, he was always Saki

It was just like my dad used that in business, or my grandpa used that in business. I was like his business name. Like the family didn't adopt her name. Oh, so he never legally changed it? No, no, no, nothing like that. Did you know these Italian grandparents? Oh yeah, I knew my grandparents.

I didn't know any of my great-grandparents. Oh yeah, well he does. Just pictures. Yeah. That's them, huh? Yeah. Wow, look at that jacket. That kind of stuff. Uh-huh.

But so is real Italian shit? Yeah, like my dad, well, my mom is, because you know, I don't look Italian at all, but my dad has like dark skin and is like full Italian. I think you might look a little Italian. Oh, really? Yeah, I think so. Oh, thank you.

And your mom's just- Scandinavian, 100%, yeah. California. Oh, really? Yeah, I think so. Oh, thank you. And your mom's just- Scandinavian, 100%, yeah. California. Yeah, Swedish, yeah, California. Grove in California. How'd they get here? I don't really know. They've been here a very long time.

I don't know a shit about that, yeah. Agriculture, farming, big business. No. Oh. Yeah, they're like, I think they were just like in the furniture business. All right, had a store? Yeah.

Oh, furniture store. Yeah. Did you go to it? No. You didn't know about it? No, not really. You didn't know your grandparents on that side? I did, but like not in their business or anything.

They're already done? Yeah, yeah. Just stories of what it was like when they had the couches. So like Orange County, now I don't get a sense of what that means. So what does your dad do out there? My dad does real estate. Yeah.

In Orange County, like big time? Commercial, yeah. Like he's a... He develops things? No, he doesn't develop. No. Just like... Sells it? Yeah.

Sells the strip malls? Office spaces? I think more like commercial or like industrial or something. Industrial. Place to park the trucks. I guess so. Yeah. I got a great place for you to park the trucks and it's got a warehouse on it.

Yeah, but like my dad came out here, like he didn't grow up with money and like just is like an ass kicker. Just like started from nothing is like badass Italian guy. Totally. Yeah. Tough guy. I would say he's a a tough guy, but he's a determined person. You know? Yeah. I think we all got our work ethic from there. How many in the family? I have two older brothers and then me.

Oh my God. Yeah. So that's how you got tough. I guess. I don't feel tough in any, I think I'm a really, really gentle soul, soft soul. But like, I guess like my whole life was like about being an athlete.

So I guess that part was like kind of tough. Were your brothers athletes? Yes, my whole is like my very all sports focused family. Really? Yeah. Oh my, like what sport? Well, my brothers and dad were all basketball. And then like I played a bunch of sports,

but then kind of ended up focusing like hardcore on volleyball my whole life. You're volleyball jock? I was, yeah. You're a volleyball jock. Was that shocking to you? You're a volleyball jockey. Was that shocking to you? No, I mean, I don't think so. Like I don't, like I'm not even sure

how I got hip to you really. We've met before. We met once just recently in Austin. No, right. With Rosebud. I remember that. Rosebud's my best friend. Yeah, she's great. Yeah.

But that was the only time? Yeah. But then, I don't know, you just appeared somehow, I don't know, it was recently, because I'm old, I don't know what you kids are up to, and I'm not sure where I saw you, but I was like, oh my God, what is this person? She's fucking funny.

Oh, that's so nice. Thank you so much. I mean, that is just like thrilling to hear from you. Well, was it? Oh, that's good. Well, I just wanna keep somehow in the loop because I was talking to my producer because I don't even know what generation you would be of. Rosebuds, basically?

I'll just vaguely say I'm in my 30s, yes. Oh, but Rosebud and I started together. I've been doing it about 11 years. So you're like, you know, you're refined. You've got chops. Oh, thank you. Thank you. You know what you're doing. Yeah. But like, I get kind of out of the loop,

and then I realized like, when I started this podcast it was 2009 So long time ago. So I was talking to people of that generation who weren't older than you really But now that I'm an old guy now, it's sort of like what are these kids doing? I mean, I think that's just how it goes with Comedy because if you stay in a long time like, you know, I'm seeing people like that I've never heard of come up, you know. There's so many.

Yeah, and I think that it just goes on like that forever. But now it seems like they're, like they're almost virally reproducing comics. Sure, yes, I know, it's extremely saturated. And it's like, well, it's saturated on social media, but I don't know what's going on out there in the world, but I know that I don't know people, and I'm okay really interested on social media, but I don't know what's going on out there in the world, but I know that I don't know people, and I'm okay with that.

Yeah, I mean, I really don't like social media and didn't put any effort into it, and only recently, like this year, started posting clips because I was always like, you know, I'm gonna be true to myself and do what- Yeah, and the craft. Yeah, and I was like, I'm so organic. I'm so true to the form.

I'm not getting mixed up in this clip game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, and if I just do what feels right to me, then the right people are gonna find me. And to some extent that was true, but then again, when it come time to me selling tickets, I need to have a following. Yeah, so you're just jockeying it up

as a volleyball player? Yeah, oh my gosh. But were you like a stud, were you good? Yes. Like winning prizes? Yeah, like every prize. Really? Yeah, and it was like, I just came out.

In that high school? Yeah. Okay. And college. And I did like the, like I trained with the, the like US national team pipeline, like where you'd have to like try out. And then like, I'd go to Colorado Springs training center

for the summer. You were in, all in. Yeah. You were going to the Olympics? Like I wanted, I mean, I You were in, all in. Yeah. You were going to the Olympics? Like I wanted, I mean, I was like in their training program. I never clearly made it to the national team. I'm also really small.

But was that your, was that the goal? Yeah, like whatever I'm doing, I really am into it. And I was like, oh yeah, I want to be a professional athlete even though I sniff five sticks on a good day. I mean, I did about as much as I could with my height in that sport. So, all right, so like, is there a position? Oh yeah, like I was an outside hitter.

This is real inside language. Teach me about volleyball. I know. Maybe that's the one that I'll lock into. Like I'm not a sports person, but like, man, after I talked to Blair, I can't get enough of his volleyball. How come there's not more on TV?

Yeah, if you took up volleyball, that would be such a turn I would love. Just me talking volleyball at the opening of every podcast? Yeah, I mean, I haven't played volleyball literally since I quit, but- Oh, heartbreak. No, the opposite. I just never thought about it again.

But this is the funny thing. Like my brother was kind of a pro tennis player. Like he was going for it. Yeah. You know, his whole life. And he just did not have whatever the genetic, you know, talent. Right.

That is necessary to get over the hump. Yeah. And he had it like, you know, kind of is necessary to get over the hump. And he had it like, you know, kind of suck that up. But then he taught and he did it. But him, you know, half awake could beat almost anybody because he's so good. Like if you're on the beach and someone was like, you wanna play a little volleyball?

Would you just fucking devastate everybody? I mean, maybe, but I haven't done it in years. So who knows if my, like like I used to be able to I had like a crazy vertical and like I did all sorts of insane like plyometrics training Plyometrics? Yeah What is that? It's um

I think I'm gonna change my life after this It's like jumping in quickness training and like explosive muscles training. Like you just need to crouch and then you're like, BLEH! Ha ha ha ha ha, sort of. And people are like, holy shit, good one. This conversation having with you is so funny to me. But yeah, like I haven't played in years

and like I don't really have an interest in it or anything. It was like a lot of athletes that I knew in all the sports because I played at UCLA and people quit and everything. They had these huge identity crises, but I didn't at all. So you got to college, you played volleyball. Yeah. And then when does it crap out?

When did you sort of like fuck it? I got a knee surgery I lost my spot and I like quit and never like sat the bench and couldn't do the explosive jumps Your plyometrics game was so fun Yeah, I couldn't do it and I was like, uh, you know, like one. Yeah, I couldn't do it. And I was like, you know, like. Were you out there with your brace? Was it wrapped? No, it was like, I could have easily come back. Like I recovered beautifully, you know?

Oh, good. I was just done and it just felt great. And like, it was so funny because, I mean, it had been so hardcore in my life since I was like 10 years old. And there was like, oh, they're like surfing, tennis. I mean, just everything. You can surf?

Yeah, I surfed. I did contests for a while when I was like a kid. You can do, you can get into the tunnel? No, not now. I can't do shit. I don't surf at all. Yeah, now everyone's like, do you still surf? Cause it was like a big part of my growing up

and my brothers are big surfers and like our family trips, we would drive down the coast of Baja and do like surf trips. That was like our family. Is that where the big waves are? I mean, there were waves. Yeah. Did you talk like a surf person? I don't think so.

Cause I was always a big reader, but then also wherever I am, people always go, where's your accent from? And I'm like, I didn't know I had an accent. I know, I think you have a way of talking. Oh, okay. I don't think you have an accent. Yeah, because, but like when I-

Do you come from the land of yell? Do I? Where do they talk like this? Oh, I know, well, you know, I'm a maniac on stage. It's good, but you're a different kind of maniac. You're like, I think it's like the volleyball jumping. It's like, you're not like manic, but you're calculatingly explosive.

Oh, wow. Thank you. Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah. You got a good build. Thank you. Does that make sense? Yes. Yeah. You got a good build. Thank you. People will always be like, so like, where did that character come from? And I'm like, it's not a character.

It's like my id, you know? It's just a slightly amplified me. It's like the crazy part of me, you know, which feels good because, like, I can be pretty introverted and, like, I feel like a pretty gentle person. So, like, I think it started, like, my leg shook on stage for the first eight months

that I did comedy. And so I think that's sort of, like, where it came from. From your leg shaking? You're like, my ID's in my legs? I gotta get it out? I was just, like, no're like, my ID's in my legs, I gotta get it out? I was just like, no, like, I think I thought, like, naturally that I had to be, like, forceful or something because I was afraid or like, or-

Yeah, you're yelling at the fear. Maybe, yeah, something like that. Well, that's what happens if you do it right, you figure out who you are up there. Yeah. Or else you just kind of blah through it. Yeah, and I also think like I felt like I could be what I wish I could sometimes be in my real life.

Yeah. Like more powerful. Like a fuck you person? Yeah. I wish I was more fuck you-ish. No, I'm not, yeah, because I'm just not like that at all, and so it feels kind of nice. Well, that's interesting that you-ish. No, I'm not, yeah, cause I'm just not like that at all. And so it feels kind of nice. Well, that's interesting that you're aware of that,

that like, you know, it's organically you, but you know, it's sort of like having a black belt. Like I can't use this in real life. I would have no friends and it would be difficult to have coffee shops, but I'd be memorable, but maybe not allowed back in. Yeah, and I don't have that desire to like operate from that place in my regular life,

but it just feels fun on stage. Well, it's the right place for it. Yeah. Yeah, because I think it speaks to everybody's it on some level, right? Yeah. That's sort of what you're activating. Yeah.

But all right, so you're at UCLA, you fucked up your knee, you can't jump anymore. The volleyball dream. The volleyball dream is dead and you're just there and you're like, well, what do I do with all these shorts? I fucking hated those shorts. To this day, I can't even, I'm stunned. I'm like, what perv decided that this was the uniform

for girls volleyball? Like no other sports have those. Like everyone else just gets regular shorts. Yeah, and you guys are like, what are they, these skin tight little? Skin tight, like when I was in college, the ones we had to wear had a half inch inseam. Oh, what is that?

Did great for getting people in the stands, but besides that, I just found it humiliating. Always? Yeah. Like I'm trying to think, what does a half inch inseam mean? It means it's like that much, like past. Oh, right about here.

That's how short they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, I can't picture it. I gotta get into this volleyball thing. Yeah, you should check it out. I'm gonna be one of those guys, I'm going to all the games! There's that guy again.

Sometimes like comic dude comics will be like, hey, we should go to a UCLA volleyball game. Really? I don't like them. I'm like, oh, we should go to a UCLA volleyball game. Really? Did they say that to you? I'm like, are you really into volleyball? No, but for you that'd be like triggering. Your legs would start shaking again. Your knee would hurt.

My legs didn't start shaking volleyball, they only shook on stage. So what did you end up like studying at UCLA? I did English. Oh really? I was always a huge book nerd growing up. So English, how did that work there? Because I did English too, and how did it work there?

Did you have to have a focus of some kind? No, I didn't. I didn't have to do that. I mean, I had amazing professors that were, like one of my professors was Mona Simpson, incredible author, like she was my creative writer. So you were writing? I mean a little bit, like I'd always wanted to be a writer,

but I don't know if I had that much confidence, you know? Did you write some poetry? I've done that, definitely, you know I have. Yeah, yeah. A real just sensitive soul. Have know I have a religious sensitive soul. Have you looked at that lately? No. No.

Yeah. I think you should bring some of your poems on stage and just read them as your id. You know what I've always done though? I have journaled since I was a little kid. And so I have journals from like every year of my life. It's interesting how you write in a journal, right? I mean, because it's so direct,

because you're not trying to do anything other than get it down. I didn't journal my whole life, but I journaled, I started journaling after my second divorce when I was really shattered. And I just, every day I did it and I have them and no one can ever see them. I talk about this all the time.

I've told my friends, like, if anything happens to me, you break in there and burn the millions of journals I have. Yeah, because you wanna at least be honest with yourself. So you put it out there so you get it out of you. And there it is. One time, dude, fuck. And I eventually, I was in that period where I was like heartbroken.

I was writing all this shit. And I was like, you know, journaling about like, you know, I'm just like, I'm gonna fuck her out of my heart. You know, just like this. That's poetic. You know, like like this. That's poetic. And just like all the details of stuff. And one time I was working up in Palo Alto at Roosters.

Yes. You've been there, yeah. Oh yeah, I'll go there this summer, yay. And I was working with a couple of comics, doesn't matter, it was Jacob Seroff and his then wife and their kids, right? And I went over to their hotel and hung out after a show or before a show,

and I left my fucking journal there that I was writing. And to- Oh my, my heart is like- I know. And to this day, when I realized it, I'm like, oh no, comics have it. That's good, comics have it. And I'm just like, I ran back. Did I leave this book there? And they gave it to me. I'm like, oh no, the comics have it. That's good, comics have it. And I was like, I ran back.

But did I leave this book there? And they gave it to me. I'm like, oh no, they read the stuff. And to this day, I don't know, but it's okay. I wonder, you know what I- There's nothing bad in there other than my vulnerability. Oh, I think like mine is so humiliating. Like I write prayers in there.

I mean, just like, I would not want anyone to see anything. The first page of every journal that I have, and I showed it to my parents before, it says, do not read. If you read this, like, hex will be put on your entire bloodline in perpetuity. And you still do that? Every journal, if lost, my phone number. Yeah. Did you ever lose that? If every journal, if lost my phone number.

Yeah. Did you ever lose one? It starts with a threat. No, I don't lose it. Cause I like, I rarely bring it out of my house. Yeah. I tried to read some of that stuff and it was just so painful and weird.

Yeah. And like, I don't know what to do with it. Yeah. I was on a tour with Jessalynickle last year, and I'd always be writing in my journal, and I would be, put my arm around it, and he'd be like, I'm not reading your stupid diary. He's like, I don't care about your dumb diary.

You can quit acting like you're hiding it from me. He's actually, turns out to be a pretty sweet guy. He's so sweet. Yeah. I love him. And like, you know, like if he read it, he'd probably give you some white hearted jabs, but he wouldn't hold it against you. Yeah, it's so funny because like, I will, his persona's so intimidating.

Yeah. I was like so scared of him. Yeah, yeah, yeah him for no reason, only for just seeing him on stage. But he's like so nice and he's so also supportive of female comics. But like in a low key way where he never mentions it. You know what I mean?

Well, he uses you guys. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I, you know, and he's like, I think like he's one of those guys that got successful and got sweeter. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

Cause I remember when I first interviewed him, he was like, pretty fuck you-ish. Not to me. He likes you a lot. He's told me that many times. Oh, I love him. Yeah. Yeah, now we get our haircut at the same place.

Yes, we've talked about that. Cause I'm like, I need to change it up. I got some money. I want to get a really good haircut. Who would possibly be the person to talk to? I'm like, I need to change it up. I got some money. I want to get a really good haircut. Who would possibly be the person to talk to? I'm like, Jasmine. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like early on before he was big,

you know, he had a little more of a anger thing, but now he's like this, like, he's just a decent guy, sweet guy. Yeah, I mean, I never, I never knew him then, so. Well, he wasn't a bad guy, but like, it was harder to get past the character. sweet guy. Yeah, I mean, I never knew him then, so. Well, he wasn't a bad guy, but like, it was harder to get past the character. Totally, yeah. You know what I mean?

Well, that's nice you went out with him. But yeah, the journal thing, I don't do it anymore. Oh, really? No, I don't. Well, I'm just like, I have all this, I need to empty it out. I'm like, who am I gonna, I'm not gonna dump this on anyone, you know?

It's such a habit to me, I do it every day. Well, what are the prayers? I pray to God. Yeah. Whatever God is, I'm not sure. Yeah, but you do it? Divine loving intelligence. Yeah.

Yeah, I pray. I like to pray. Yeah, I've done it before to the big nothing. I like to throw my fears into the big hole. Yeah, I think that's good. Gotta put them somewhere, right? Yeah, someone told me that, like, you know, whether you believe or not, people have been praying since the beginning of time, so somehow it's etched into the kind of universal neural pathway. So whether you believe or not, the act of doing it is still proactive.

Yeah, and reverent. And it's sort of... Humble too. Humble, yeah, because you're getting outside of yourself. Right. You know? Yeah. So you get the English degree, and so you're all set. They're all set. Yeah. And you know, like, my family has like, is a really like

immigrant mentality, like everything about, even though they're not immigrants, but like, just like work ethic is everything, you know, all this stuff. And like, I had always been like, you know, I want to be like, I wanna be an artist and my dad would be like, well yeah, everyone wants that. What, I'd like to be a painter, get a job.

And so there was definitely not any encouragement, like you can be any, go for your insane dream or anything. But I had always wanted to be in my mind a writer. you can be any, go for your insane dream or anything. But I had always wanted to be, in my mind, a writer. Like I had never thought, I think when I was like a little kid I wanted to be an actor as like the youngest child. You know? So I was like, look at me! And I would try out for plays at school and like

get the part, but I wouldn't be able to do it because my sports schedule was too insane So I never got to do even at like 10 years old. I was like had shit every fucking day So they like that part of the work ethic. Oh, yeah, they loved it Yeah, they're like this is gonna give her a good sense of Also, I I mean like I did have like just what you were talking about, freaky, just genetic talent, like sports-wise. Just out the gate. Yeah, but also you know how to lose, right? Mm.

I will say what has helped me so much as an athlete, like growing up in comedy, whereas sometimes my friends are comedians, like, where they'll be like, fuck that guy, he got this, and I didn't. And that never crosses my mind. I'm like, oh, I wasn't good enough. Really? Yeah. I'm not sure that's better, but I like the story.

No, it's not. I have to work harder. Totally, yeah. I guess that's good, but I like the story. No, it's not. You know, it's- I have to work harder. Totally, yeah. I guess that's good, if you put it that way. Or like, I still have, one of the things I do like about myself is that like I have an ability to be genuinely happy for, like I'm really good at being happy for people.

I can still be sad for myself at the same time, but like that comes naturally to me, thank God. That's good. So your insecurity is not malignant. I would say that I internalize it instead of externalize it. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know anything about that, but I appreciate it.

I mean, look, I still have the self, the pressure I put on myself is. Right, but you keep it in and then you explode on stage. You don't be like, fuck that guy, or like, why'd they get that? Yeah, or also I've never understood that because I'm like, they didn't book themselves, someone chose them, it's not their fault.

And also like that, like who's choosing anything anymore? Like it seems like show business is contracting to the point where if you don't carve your own way, then you know, there's no one giving away shots anymore. Yeah, I mean the industry seems to be just in total freefall where they're just exchanging every second. And I, even with like this clip culture that we're talking about,

it's like, on one hand, I'm really happy for those people who are just these comedians that are just excellent at marketing, you know what I mean? Because I'm like, good for them, carving out a career for themselves that five, 10 years ago would have not been possible for their level. I mean, some of these talent, you know what I'm saying? So I see how you do it.

You present a logical and seemingly objective argument for why shitty comics get successful, but you're happy for them. No, no, I would only say half of them are shitty. So half of them are incredible comics who also have the depths, the energy inside them. I get what you're saying. It's like, if you believe in the process or the craft

or you're in it for personally creative reasons and not just to pull a crowd for crowd work, you know, it's different. Yeah. You know, like if you believe in sort of like, you know, going through the paces of finding yourself as a comic, that still has to mean something. Yeah, totally.

And, but I mean, like, also like, I cannot fault anyone who found a way to build their own audience. I know, because it's impossible. Yeah, I'm like that, to me, I'm like, that's amazing, and I'll give them their flowers. God bless. Sure, sure. I mean, you'd rather not have like,

you know, sometimes because clubs are clubs and they just wanna sell tickets, you know, you'll get people in there that aren't really even doing comedy per se. 100%. But they brought the crowds in, so whatever. But yeah, I mean, I understand that. And I think, and I try to tell people that all the time,

these fucking people that think it's easy for anybody, especially around this Nepo baby thing, it's like, dude, 99% of people come from regular backgrounds. Nobody, no family wants their kid to do this. Not at all. And it's like, you know, it just comes from this weird singular focus and personal persistence

that anybody breaks through at all, even for a minute. Totally. So did you do the writing? You're gonna be a writer? Oh yeah, I did business for a couple years just because I needed a job. What do you mean, after college? Yeah. Well, you did business.

I did business. I did real estate and- Wow, in Santa Barbara? No, in Orange County. Where's Santa Barbara? Santa Barbara is about- Different? The other way? An hour and a half north of LA or two hours or something. It's north?

Yeah. What's down the other way? Oh, San Clemente. Santa Barbara's up there and then Orange County's closer to here? San Clemente is Orange County. That's basically right where I grew up. Oh yeah, right. That's right.

So Santa Barbara's the other way and San Clemente is towards San Diego. Yeah, basically where I grew up is equidistant, like halfway point between LA and San Diego. What a fucking dumb drive that is. Jesus Christ. Everybody's like, you know, like, yeah, you can get down there an hour and a half. In what world? There's never, there's no way to get to San Diego

under four hours unless you walk or take the train. I don't know you that well, but I feel like I know you. And I can just, I feel like in my soul that you like hate San Diego. Once I'm down there, I'm all right. But usually it takes me a day to just come down from the aggravation of not understanding how it could take so long to get there.

And I was gonna take the train last time and then the train got fucked up because the mudslide just took the goddamn tracks out. I'm like, God damn it. When do I even leave to get there and not be aggravated? Right? But I don't mind San Diego. I played at a really weird place there,

and I did well. The last time I was there, I had a broken foot and I didn't know it was broken. Do you know that North Park Observatory Theater? I don't think so. It's a weird place. It almost looks like a circus somehow. But I played there.

I went down there, I hurt my foot at the gym and I'm like, ah, it's probably just a sprain. And then I'm like, I went down there, did two shows on a broken foot. Oh my gosh. But yeah, man, show must go on. Yeah, wait. I'm hobbling around on my heel. Wait, how'd you break it at the gym?

It's just like dumb, like I was doing step ups and I came down and my foot went under me because of like, because Hoka sneakers are like wearing fucking high heels. Like moon boots. The fuck is that? I mean, yeah, you can run in them, but you can't lift weights.

I'm so stupid when you realize like in them, but you can't lift weights. It's so stupid when you realize these are like three inch heels. Yeah, they are like moon boot launching pads. Yeah. Comfortable though. They're comfortable, but not flat shoes from here on out, how to ride out that broken foot, hobbling around with that fucking boot for three months. Oh no.

But anyway, so that's where you grew up, there, and you're selling real estate. Oh, yeah. And like, I had to be in the office at 6 a.m. I was like the only female broker, and I had to be in the office at 6 a.m. every day. And it was like really that culture of like, whoever is in the office for as many hours as possible, you know?

And all I was doing was like cold calling and I was just like, look, I was like, I'm gonna die under these fluorescent lights. There has to be more. And I was like, I'm gonna wait till I get like a good check and see if that changes anything. I got the first one, I was like, nope, I feel nothing. And then I was like, well, what would I do if I could do

anything? And I was like, oh, I wanna be a novelist, because that's really all I cared about was books besides. And then I applied to some MFA programs, and I applied to the four easiest ones I could find, and then one no way school in New York, no prayer. And then I got rejected from the four easy schools and I got into the new school in New York. Good one? The new school?

Yeah, so then I moved there and that's how I got to New York. Holy shit. So that's where it all happened? I know the new school. Yeah, I wanted to be a novelist. That's a good school. Yeah, like I was, wanted to be a novelist. That's a good school. Yeah, I mean, it was incredible. Like we got the authors that they brought in

and like people that were in my tiny classes are like now really big writers. Yeah, like it's all, it was like, it was really great. And then of course I started comedy like in the middle of that, just out of nowhere. Like I didn't see my first comedy show until I was 25. That's wild. Yeah, like I didn't grow up seeing any comedy,

I didn't watch comedy, like I had no reference for comedy. That's crazy. I know. Here's what I learned at the New School. Like I decided like in my 30s, I'm like, you know, I could probably understand philosophy now. So I took a philosophy class at the new school and I didn't understand any of it.

It was all based on logic and it was just like, it was not, I thought we were gonna talk about stuff, right? And it was just like math and I was like bummed out and I was being a smart ass and cracking jokes like I was in high school. And then one day that teacher was in the elevator with me and he says, why'd you take my class? You know, and I said, because I wanted to, you know, expand my mind and learn about philosophy,

because he says, well, you can expand your mind two ways. Either you can put new stuff in there, or you can heat up what's already in there so it expands. I'm like, yeah, that's more my speed. Like you totally fucking. You're like, we're still doing riddles even in the elevator? It's so funny that you say that about philosophy because when I was in college, I was like, oh, I'm gonna major in philosophy.

My dad was like, you know, what the hell? But I took like the first course and I was like, oh, this is debate with no answer, my personal hell. I was like, this is lit. I was like, this is not at all what I thought it was gonna be. Yeah. So, but did you, you did debate? No.

Oh. I hate debate. Oh, I just, for me, eventually, you know, even if I knew how to debate, I would get to the point where I'd be like, go fuck yourself. I just hate, like, probably because I'm such, I'm so like sensitive. I just like hate arguing, probably because I'm so, like, sensitive,

I just, like, hate arguing for the sake of arguing. Like, it just feels stressful, because debate to me is not, like, in my mind anyways, what debate is, it's like not having a casual conversation. It's like someone really wanting to change your point of view on something. Through argument. Yes.

Yeah, I don't find that I get into those kind of arguments anymore, but when I do, I'm surprised that I do have some core beliefs. So every once in a while, an argument is sort of like, yeah, I have a few beliefs. I stand for something. Yeah, yeah. I have a point of view on that. Right. But so you're at the new school and why do you go to a comedy show? How does that happen? we can put him away. I stand for something. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I have a point of view on that. Right. But so you're at the new school

and why do you go to a comedy show? How does that happen? Well, I had been dating a guy who had just started comedy from my hometown before I moved to New York and he showed me comedy. So you went with him or you didn't? No, no.

I got into grad school, of course, I never thought I'd be moving to New York. Moved there and then like, you know. But he showed you comics and stuff? Yeah, he introduced me to comics. Actually, one of the first shows he took me to was yours with Eddie Pepitone in, who I'm obsessed with Eddie Pepitone.

Like he makes me laugh so hard. And then Maria Bamford. Oh wow. It was the three of us? It was the three of you guys at the Iceito. Yeah. Like, he makes me laugh so hard. And then Maria Bamford. Oh, wow. Yeah. It was the three of us? It was the three of you guys at the Ice House. Wow. Yeah, like, I don't know, probably 12 years ago or something.

That's crazy. Yeah, and I was like, and I was just like, I was like, this is incredible. So I like quickly became such a fan, but like it never ever, ever crossed my mind. I was like, I'm a writer, you know, I would never want to... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But that's a pretty powerful trio. It was. I was like, mystified.

That's totally, like, that is totally, like, off the grid of three comics. Perfect lineup. Yeah. All three so different. But also, like, all three, like, not, like, not standard comics. Yeah. Was it like, I'm trying like all three, like not standard comics. Was it like, I'm trying to think

what that show would have been. Was I headlining? I think so. Because like I probably was able to put my show together and I had them on there and then I just struggled. No, you did not struggle. Funny you even say that because my boyfriend at the time got mad at me for laughing too much.

Yeah. The new comic? Yeah, and I was like, and I was like, I think if you like, don't like your loved one's greatest expression of joy, there could be a problem. There's a, and then he said, fuck that guy. Fuck them. No, he loved you guys. He just like, probably'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that. I'm not gonna do that.

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And I was like, that was one of the hardest times I've ever laughed, because you know when you're around comedy for so long, even when you're watching it, you're like, oh, that's a good joke, but you're not actually laughing. And I was just like, cause he's just so wild. Like, I love it. And he's, but he's also like,

he's sort of like you in that, you know, off stage, he's like, he's like so sweet. So sweet. And kind of self, you know, not deprecating, like he's self aware, but he's just so sweet,

but he gets up there and then all of a sudden we're here. Yeah. You know, like he's self-aware, but he's just so sweet, but he gets up there, and then all of a sudden we're here. Yeah, you know, like I've actually, since I have got past at the store, like probably a year ago, but like, I'll see you there all the time, but like I would never say hello to you, cause I'm too shy.

And Eddie, Eddie is the one person ever in my life that I ever asked for a picture with. Yeah. And that I have, I'm like, that's the one person I've ever asked for a picture with. I was just, yeah, I'm too, because like I'm too shy to like do talk to them. Not now.

Yeah. Now you're gonna be like, hey Mark. Yeah, now I'm gonna be thrilled. I saw you there last, or I didn't see you there last night, but I saw your name on the marquee. We were there at the same time, but I didn't saw you. Oh, yeah, I just ducked into the main room and got out, I guess. I didn't hang.

Yeah. Yeah, it was pretty good last night. Yeah. Were you playing there? Yeah. Where? OR? Original room, yeah.

It was great. Was it? Yeah. That's good. Yeah, I love it. So you go, so where do you go to Was it? Yeah. That's good. Yeah, I love it. So you go, so where do you go to New York? Who drags you to the show?

You just went by yourself? Oh, so I started writing for SplitSider, interviewing comedians because like- What was that guy's name? Dylan? Was he there? No, you know what is funny? I never even met the people that I was,

I was writing for them like for free. Oh, okay. And I was like, and I just become a fan of comedy and I always joke around comedians now, like I wasn't writing any think pieces or writing anything about anyone. I was just interviewing people and I'd be like one intro paragraph and then interview them.

But I was just like, just be mindful of the blogs because like I'm thinking, this is someone who literally discovered comedy and then interview them. But I was just like, just be mindful of the blogs because I'm thinking, this is someone who literally discovered comedy six months before I was writing about it. I'm like, I wasn't writing, reviewing anyone or anything. What were you doing? I was just interviewing people. Oh, for SplitSider.

Yeah, can I tell you something? I interviewed you. When I was interning at W Magazine, the high fashion, and your show was just about to come out. And I like- Marin? Yeah, and I begged my supervisor if I could interview you. And it was like five minutes with like Mark Maron.

And I was like, oh, this is so exciting. Yeah. How was it? It was great. It was a thrill for me. What we did on the phone? Yeah. Well, that's exciting.

Yeah. My manager was like, are you going to tell him you interviewed him? I was like, I don't know. I almost sound dorky. No, I, whenever I hear stories like that, like, you know you know any sort of thing like yeah, you're not gonna remember this I'm like, oh god. Here we go. What did I? Interviewed so many comics before I started comedy

Like I interviewed Anthony and I didn't tell him to like the last week of tour and he's like you're so weird Why are you just telling me that? That's a very interesting what'd you learn from that? I mean, were, I mean, like, so were your questions coming from a sort of curiosity to do it? Yeah, no, no, well, at least not consciously. Like, I had no awareness and like, no, I had no desire to start comedy.

And then like I pitched an article about Michael Che. It was, he just did one week guest writing for SNL and another like W thing when I was an intern and I was his first piece of press ever. And that interview, I asked questions that like in hindsight was clearly someone wanting to start. Cause I was like, and what was the exact day that you started like, and what did, you know, like these questions

that were crazy. Have you talked to him since? Yeah, yeah. I mean, not recently, like anytime I go back to New York or whatever, but like he's always just so sweet. So when did you do it? Well, so basically two days later after that interview, it came to me in the shower.

And I had broken up with that guy and I was pretty heartbroken and I was like, oh, nothing can hurt me now, you know, as well. After the thought came to me, and then I just started immediately. You know, I'm as well. Like after the thought came to me and then I just started like immediately. Where at? I took a class. With?

At Gotham Comedy Club. With who? I believe his name was Jim. But of course you don't learn anything in those classes. The only- But you get to go on. Well, you get to go on. The main benefit is with people who have never done it before.

Right. So that's the whole thing. with people who have never done it before. So that's the whole thing. You get a kind of a safe start. Yeah, like they don't teach you anything. They can't teach you how to like be funny or write a joke. But yeah, and then I just started doing- Jim Adrinos. Yes, oh my God, I can't believe you remembered that.

Do you know him still? Well, I mean, well, I know him still as much as I know anybody from the past, but I knew he taught. Well, you have a laser memory. Well, I mean, he's been around a while. I mean, yeah, Jim Mandrina, sure. But yeah, and then I just got obsessed

and I had every temp job. I had every temp job while going to grad school, while just doing three open mics a night. What was the open mic scene like? Were you going to Brooklyn? Brooklyn and Manhattan, and it was so good. And it would be like, oh, I would be like, really making sure I was working on my writing

before each thing, because there was so many good comics at the mics. Yeah. Yeah. Who was around? Who was around? Well, Rosebud, obviously, Sydney, Marie, Reggie Conquest, like some of these people like Julio Torres. Yeah.

He was just amazing off the bat. Yeah. Joe Perra, Dan LaCotta. Wow, so like you had a pretty good crew of people that were doing work. Yeah, it was good. And then when did you just start working? Well, I just randomly got on a TV,

like an MTV show like two years in. Which one? That's like the way it was in the old days. Yeah, it was like, I called, the casting it was in the old days. Yeah, it was like I called the casting director, was at a party and I didn't even know she was a casting director. And then she just messaged me and she was like, you want to audition for this?

And I left my computer coding job that I lied to get in the middle of the day. To audition? To go audition. They're like, it takes three hours because they're so far behind. I'm like, I'm probably gonna get fired from this job for going to go audition. They're like, it takes three hours cause they're so far behind. I'm like, I'm probably gonna get fired from this job for going to this audition.

Then I found out like I got it and it was like a female prank show that was Nicole. It was Nicole Byer, Mateo Lane, Megan Gailey, Jade Catapreta, and me, and it was like a prank show, like under the girl code thing. And so it sort of started being like, I was doing comedy, but not in a way that I,

I thought I was doing some fun New York, like I didn't think it was gonna be my career at all. So how long that show run? One season, one and done. Back to the temp jobs. Real fast. Did you lose the computer job? Yeah. I got another one after.

Yeah. Yeah. So, but did that, you know, kind of put some wind in your sails? Oh, totally. Like, I mean, just even from the start with comedy, the first time I was like, oh, this is it. I was like, oh, this is what I've been searching for my whole life. Like, I just felt it immediately because, you know, I was like thinking I was going to be a novelist. I was like, oh, this is a little different than 14 hours alone in a room.

Oh yeah, try to write pages and pages where you can write three things and then go try it and be like, that's a good day. One of them works good. A lot of my friends in my grad school program, they just published the novel that they started working on. Just now. Yeah. And it was about the same time that it took me to do an hour special. Yeah, two of my best friends are novelists. This is a rough road. Yeah. But like I could never do that, Jesus Christ. I think you could.

Not a novel. I mean, I'm pretty good at writing and talking about me. Yeah. And the idea of writing a novel, I don't know. It's writing books. It's like it just hangs over you. I know. Like unless it's like your fucking,

like unless it's like it's the most important thing in the world to you, it's a fucking nightmare. Yeah, just the amount of focus you have to have is. And then just to write. Yeah. I don't like it. Yeah. You know, I like thinking about stuff

and working it out on stage and then hammering away at it. I write a newsletter every week and I put my heart into it. Oh, you do? I gotta subscribe. Yeah, I've been doing it for years. There's hundreds of them. It's just like every Sunday I sit down. It's almost like a weekly journal in a way, with some thoughts.

And you know, it's so funny because I don't know how many people read it. But do you know Mike Kaplan? The comic? He's a big fan of it. He's so sweet. Sweetest guy. And every week I write it, and he'll email me and take out big fan of it. He's so sweet. Sweetest guy. Yeah.

And every week I write it and he'll email me and take out little pieces of it, like this is good. This is real nice. Almost like, you know, he's like editing for the good stuff. Yeah. And now because he's been doing it so long, I'm thinking like, I gotta think of something Michael. Okay.

You're writing for your audience. I'm writing for my audience of one. Mike Kaplan. My Kaplan. My Kaplan. That probably makes him super happy. Well, it's weird because getting feedback from that kind of writing doesn't happen that often. And it's just prose or little poetic things I'm thinking.

But it is sort of encouraging. And I do find, like if he doesn't write me, I'm like, oh tanked it didn't fucking get a nugget no nuggets this week for Mike. Guess this week wasn't a hit Mike. So then you just kind of plowing away in New York and you got other opportunities and stuff? Yeah and like I kept slowly like getting you, I got the new faces and I got the... Oh, and one of the last ones probably. This was, what year?

I got it like 2017, I think. Eight minutes, room for industry. Six minutes. Six? Yeah. Wow. And yeah, and then... And you popped?

No, not from that really. Like, I mean, my year, it was, I think they've kind of changed it a little bit where they go back to people without a bunch of credits, but like my year was like Sam Jay, Taylor Tomlinson, Rami, like everyone in my class, everyone had already been on TV many times. Well, it's not, it wasn't the same.

They really couldn't pull off what they used to with social media now. But before it was like, before there was that, I mean, these were people they had to go find that no one had seen before. So the idea was like, you know, someone would come throw money at you. But now it's just sort of like,

well, they're kind of new faces. I one time did the, I think I did the, remember these guys show. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Oh. You might've missed these guys. You know, I got a. How did that go? I got a deal out of it. Hell yeah. In 2001.

Oh, that's incredible. It was like me and Ron White. Whoa. And I think Jer, what's that, Jeremy's incredible. It was like me and Ron White. Whoa. And I think, what's that, Jeremy Hotz. Definitely guys who had been around, but it kind of gave me a little boost. Yeah, when I started in 2013 and I listened to podcasts and I remember you guys always talking about like, yeah, and remember you just, all the new faces would get a deal and I don't think anyone's gotten a deal from

Besides getting like Saturday Night Live, but that's a like these Different no the development deal days are long gone. Yeah. Yeah, they were good though A lot of people made a lot of money for almost doing something. Yeah, totally. Yeah, sounds great So when when did you you know, did you do did you do the Tonight Show and stuff? I did cordon Did you do the Tonight Show and stuff? I did Corden. Um. How was that? The pretend conversation guy. Like, I'm gonna put you on a couch with somebody,

but I'm only gonna talk to you separately and I'll interject a lot. It's the illusion of conversation. It was really great. And you know what was crazy about it? Is I kind of just forgot, like I accidentally used one minute of my set saying hello to Reggie Watts, saying hello to James Corden. Oh, she did stand up. Oh yeah, I did stand up. Oh, that's different.

Is that what you meant? No, I just do panel. Oh, well yeah, you're famous. It was hard to score. Yeah. I like to do panel. Oh, well yeah, you're famous. It was hard to score. Yeah. I like to do panel. Yeah, well, I mean, sounds great. But even when I was not famous at all,

like I fought to do panel on Conan. Right. Because I did stand up on Conan like a couple of times early on. Yeah. And then I was like, I always liked watching like Richard Lewis or Jay Leno, the guys you sat down and did sit down stand up.

I'm like, why can't I do that? Totally. And he let me do it. And apparently it caused him a lot of trouble because he let me do it and we had this rapport. All the comics are like, why can't I sit down like Marin? And he's like, cause that's Marin's thing.

I'm like, thank God. But you know how much it built my career? Zero. I know. I think that's all late night now. It's just like... But this was in the 90s. I couldn't like... Yeah.

And I always used to think like, I gotta quit changing my haircut. I gotta decide on a look. It's not landing. I always wanted to do Conan so badly, but I never... Because I was like, oh, I'm kooky. Like, that's gonna that's going to be, that will be the direction I go. Well, that was always good because he, like I'd come out there and be like, oh, here we go. How is he going to alienate the people?

Yeah. 90% of the time, my first joke would just go, Oh really? And be like, oh well, what happened? You know, I'm like, all right, I'll dig out. I can dig out of this hole. Oh my God. So you just did Corden? I did Corden.

You should be on The Tonight Show. I want to be on The Tonight Show. What's the problem? Yeah, I don't know. Can you call him up? Yeah. I don't know him like that. But it seems like a crazy oversight.

What about Colbert? Yeah, I mean, I'd love to do Colbert. You're ready. Yeah, I'm ready for another late night set. Yeah. I could send one tomorrow. So, okay, so you do writing jobs and do you do other stuff?

Well, I do a good amount of voiceover. I haven't had a writing job. I would love one. I've been pitching my own shows for a while. So the voiceovers, you use this voice and then the other one? Yeah. I call that Mark. Which one do you want?

That's what they say. Sometimes they go like, they'll be like, oh, we want you to do your WWE voice. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then other times, like I'll be playing, like the last job I did, I was playing an eight-year-old boy. So it just changes all the time. Oh, yeah?

Yeah. And I watched a special. Oh, thank you. That's so nice of you. What'd you call it? Live from the Big Dog. Yeah, Live from the Big Dog. Yeah, Live from the Big Dog. Now, how was that put together?

Well, that was part of Veep's Live Nation's new streamer, their first class. Yeah, I know Bart. Yeah, Bart is just a dream. I love him so much. That guy's been in every job ever. Like, there are guys in comedy that have been on that side of it,

where you're like, oh, you're working here now? For 30 years. Yeah. And he's like, but he's like one of these people where you're like, you are so lovely to work with. He's a sweet guy. Like he loves comedy.

Yeah, one of the few sweet guys. Totally. Yeah. He's so nice. And I wanted to do my first special in LA so like I could have my friends and family, because a lot of my friends are like, I would never want that, I would never, and I'm like, no, I want it,

because it feels like homey and fun to me. So they were in the room? Yes. Like who, your brothers? My brothers and my parents, which was their first time seeing me do comedy. What? Yeah.

How'd they react? They really liked it. Like my dad cried cause he was so proud, which yeah, that really meant a lot to me because they did not, they have not loved my choice in career. Yeah. It's always something, that moment where they're like, oh, she can do it.

Yeah, I mean, like, I still don't think that's what they want, but they were like, oh, she is doing it. And she's successful. Yeah, and it went well. They gotta appreciate the work ethic. Like, this work ethic is crazy. Because you're your own boss.

Totally. Yeah. So you just grinded it out in New York for how many years? I left after five and a half years. Like I moved to LA in 2018. Yeah. Yeah. And you did the special what?

Just recently? Yeah. And then you decided on like 42 minutes? Oh, it's 43, but funny story about that, I forgot six minutes of jokes. What? Yeah, I probably shouldn't be saying that. What do you think people are gonna be like,

nah, that was what was missing. Those six, you wanna do them? No, but it was so like, and I didn't even think about the extra emotional factor of my parents being there. Oh yeah, what do you mean you didn't think of it? I didn't even think about the extra emotional factor of my parents being there. Oh yeah, what do you mean you didn't think of it? I didn't think about it. That's why people are like, what are you doing? I didn't think about it or anything.

And I had put my phone recording backstage and I got off stage and it said 43 minutes and I was so confused because I got off stage and I was thrilled. I was like, I was so like, that was- What were you planning on doing? It was like 49 was what I shopped. And then I was like, what jokes did I forget?

Yeah, was it one chunk? No, it was like little, well, one, yeah, one main chunk and then like a few other things. But like, I only slowly realized like over time what it was, like besides the chunk of what the few other ones were. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

I do that all the time. You do? Like, have you done that on a special? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but like, I still like, I still have this like our mentality. Right.

And nobody wants them anymore. Well, you know, I think it's just whatever you want to do. No, they definitely don't want me. I appreciate your idea, but they're, they're like, you know, I'm like, can we do 73? No, it's a little long. Like, what are you talking about? They're like, you know, I'm like, can we do 73? They're like, it's a little long. I'm like, what are you talking, like, they don't realize that they're the ones responsible

for creating this attention span that they decided people don't have. Right. Like, I mean, look, you may not get everybody, but there are still people in the world that are gonna sit through till the end of the thing. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I respect it. Like, I like when anyone makes a hard choice on anything. Yeah. Yeah, I just plow away and then shave it out. But I'm always gonna lose stuff. And some things are lost forever. Right. But I don't know how, I mean, I'm always generating on stage.

That's where it all happens. There's nothing on paper to indicate that I write jokes. But I don't know how, like, I mean, I'm always generating on stage, you know? Like, that's where it all happens. Like, there's nothing on paper to indicate that I write jokes. I'm so amazed by you because I'm the exact opposite. No, but it shows because, you know, like, I don't, because I don't know that, I think it's a way that I,

you know, protect myself from, I don't know if it's failure, but sometimes if I have a joke that's structured like a joke, and I have them, they happen, but I'm sorta like, all right, well that was easy. You know, I get, like, I know that works, but I get it just as a joke. I get what you're saying. And I'll use them at the beginning to sorta get in,

but then I expand and try, every long form thing has jokes in it, but I don't like knowing, like I like knowing there's gaps for them to grow. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, and I can only do that when I have a very clear skeleton of the joke already in existence.

But that's probably because I'm too fearful. Like I would love to go on stage to trust myself enough to just organically come up with stuff. Yeah, but you trust yourself enough to sort of like, you know that you're building towards something and it's not just like a turn of phrase. I mean, you trust yourself enough to go at Triscuits for a fairly operatic bit of business that repeats.

So I couldn't imagine you knowing, I'm gonna do it again. So that's. Yeah, but I don't do crowd work because I don't even. I only do it if I have to. I'm like, I don't even like talking to strangers in regular life.

Yeah, right. Especially these weirdos that come to see you. No, I like you guys very much. You're listening. Thank you so much. No, they love you. They love you. But I just, I only do crowd work.

I think it's like a skill you should have. Yeah, but I mean, that takes confidence, the crowd work. Well, kinda, but I think like, you know, you do it kind of in, you know, when you're saying like you, with the crowd work. Well, kinda, but I think, like, you know, you do it kind of in, you know, when you're saying like, with the pervs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, but that's not exchange. But like, I'm sure you could do it.

Yeah, I mean, I'll do it like, just like, that's not the meat of my set. It's just like throw away stuff. But I do envy like that freeness, but because I was a writer first, there are certain linguistic phrases and wording that I'm really attached to that I find interesting. And I have every joke's divided by year, month, everything typed out on my computer. And all my friends always had to make fun of me.

They'd be like, oh, you bring your book report, Blair? And I'd be like, well, have you ever thought about writing a joke, even one joke? No, you can tell that you have a very specific way of phrasing, because you have a very deliberate pace. Oh, thank you. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

You know, me, I feel like anytime I'm about to go on stage, I'm like, I don't know if this is gonna... You know what's crazy to Yeah. You know me, like I feel like, you know, anytime I'm about to go on stage, I'm like, I don't know if this is gonna... You know, it's crazy to think that you still feel that way because one thing that I- It's not nerves, it's just sort of like- No, I know exactly what you mean. And I still to this day, like I'm, you know, 11 years in, like I, to think, you know,

you've been doing it way longer than me, like I still never know how know how to start a set. I'm always like, what am I gonna open with? The opening will plague me, I think, till death. And then you just are like, what happens to me is I have the one opening, I'm like, I know this. If this doesn't work, then it's gonna be work.

Right. So I generally come up with one of those. That's how I feel, yeah. I'm like, I need something that gives me the confidence right off the bat. Yes, and then if that one goes, you're like, okay. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, I know I'm gonna be okay out there,

but sometimes the worst thing I can hear, you know, if I'm about to go on stage, is for a comic to come the one before me, or two before me to come in and go like, oh, they're great. I'm like, god damn it. I'm gonna ruin it. I'm gonna. I'm gonna.

I'm gonna. Are there people you hate to follow? Or you don't wanna, or maybe you don't wanna say? No, it's not a matter of following. It's a matter of like, at some point, you know, I realized, and it took me a long time to realize it, that like, look man, you know, part of the job is, you know, you of the job is,

you know, you're gonna have to get them around to where you are. So if somebody just blasted the place open with either crowd work or insane energy, like, I'm not gonna start there just because they've done that. So I've got to, like, you know, realize that, you know, I do what I do, and, you know,

I've got to bring them to me. So if they're blasted open, the bringing them to me thing is not always going to be easy, it's not gonna be satisfying, especially on short sets. If you're doing an hour, hour plus for your people, you got a lot of wiggle room.

But if you're just working out, and they're just there for a night of comedy, and you gotta go out there, and it's just been, you know, they're exhausted. It's just sort of like, okay. I know how to do it, but it's not always satisfying. Right, I was thinking, remember, cause I think you dropped in on a show,

and maybe they give you more time or not, but in Moon Tower, they gave us, it was time or not, but in Moon Tower they gave us, it was six minute sets and like we were all like, how do you even do a six minute set? You know, like for a late night set you like plan it and you like really whittle something down with like a lot of intention, but we were all like, it's like scary to do a six minute set. Yeah, it's like a TV set because you gotta edit. You gotta go so fast. Or you gotta just cut shit out. Yeah, or like you can't, you don't have like time to like let anything, it's like a TV set, because you gotta edit. You gotta go so fast. Or you gotta just cut shit out. Yeah, or like you don't have time to let anything,

it's like opening joke, da-da-da, end, you know? Yeah, where was that set? I remember they put me on a show. It was at Anton's in Moon Tower, that I met when I was with Rosebud where we met. Well, that was the music night? Yeah, I think so. Yeah, that was different.

No, I played guitar and stuff. Oh no, no, that was different. No, I played guitar and stuff. Oh no, no, that was different. No, it was different? This was like a showcase that you dropped in on. Or maybe I just finished, I don't think so. I don't know. Yeah, well I think she gave me like 12 or something. Oh, okay, okay.

So you got more time than everyone else. Yeah. Yeah. Of course, I'm on your side. I didn't even know if I was gonna get sets. No, no, I'm just saying like when we were like, oh, six minutes, like how do you, we were all like, how do you even do six minutes?

Well, you used to have to do it for TV spots. Yeah. And it was always sort of like, it was this whole other skill set. Right. To hand, you know, and it used to be five. Yeah. For like Letterman, it was like five.

Yeah. And I'm like, what do you even do in five minutes? Yeah, and a short set, it's like you need a plan. Like you really need a plan. Yeah, you gotta take everything out of context. you need a plan. Like you really need a plan. Yeah, you gotta take everything out of context. Yeah. And just find the ones that hit.

Right. With less build. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you're doing great. Thank you. And it's good talking to you. It is great talking to you.

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