WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1573 - Ali Macofsky

Episode Date: September 12, 2024

Hundreds of WTF guests have show business origin stories, but nobody has one like comedian Ali Macofsky, whose impulsive phone call to Ryan Seacrest live on the radio when she was seven years old got the ball rolling on her career. Ali tells Marc about this event and all the other spontaneous decisions in her early life that led to a failed audition for Hannah Montana, solitary trips to The Laugh Factory, teenage alcoholism, and eventual sobriety.  Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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All right, let's do this how are you what the fuckers what the fuck buddies what the fuck crats what the fuck nicks What's happening? I'm mark marron. This is my podcast. Thanks for listening welcome and this is my podcast. Thanks for listening. Welcome. Today on the show, I talk to Allie Makovsky. She's a comic, very funny comic. She's opened for me on the road many times. She got her start in comedy at age seven, doing a prank phone call. Yeah, she did prank phone calls on Kiss FM. That was the beginning of her show business career.

But look, before I start doing everything, I just want to say how thrilled I am that vice president Kamala Harris showed up for fucking work at that debate. She was perfect. And thank God. Now look, if she doesn't win, the only reason is people are sexist garbage. That's the only reason. Because if you can watch that, or frankly, any day on your phone in the news,

if you can watch any of that and still think that that fucking monster is capable of running anything, or you're willing to forgive him for whatever flaws he has and think like well that guy's the guy you're you're a bad person you're not a good person I don't know what you've told yourself or what things you believe in I think you know what's happened that a lot of people don't mention is that at some point in time, you know the old saying, I'll believe it when I see it? Under the radar, that has now shifted to,

I'll see it when I believe it. And that's a problem, I think, culturally and globally. But man, what a relief. I was on set and I couldn't watch it. So I'm getting updates from Brendan, who is the only guy I trust. Maybe, yeah, he's definitely the only guy I trust with political insight and many other things.

But look, man, it was as good as it could have gone. And you got to see who she is, you got to see who he is, but you do every day. So, you know, look, it was, we've got, you know, not only a fair fight, not only a good fight, but it's a very obvious choice. But thank fucking God. And I don't even believe that stuff really sometimes maybe ghosts.

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That's better help H ELP dot com slash WTF Can you dig it? So look, I'm having a app issues. I just had some sort of realization the other day about apps and I don't have a lot of them. I don't use a lot of them, but I start to realize that the app is probably the way for the most part, obviously,

obviously it's the way that these sort of visceral handheld technologies literally take place. They take over parts of our brain or they accelerate or expand or engage the parts of our brain that are already a little panicky. I know it's all dopamine connected. I know that you're gonna be, you know, going through the thing, you're scrolling or whatever, but I just had this moment,

I had to put a thing on my, I had to put a thing on my house. If you have a house, a lot of insurance companies are getting, they won't give you the, the coverage that you want for your house. If you don't have this, uh, thing that, uh, a thing that you put on your water main on your main water line, it's this, uh, this chunk of technology, this chunk of equipment that is connected to an app that will detect leaks in your

house. and if you need to shut it down from wherever you are your water you can I guess this is from the insurance companies point of view this is the way that you know they can you know get a handle or get ahead of water damage I understand that water damage is horrible water and fire though know, you give me a choice of the two, I'll take water. And now fires are here. That's the other thing. Yeah. We thought we got out from under it, California, but now it looks like the fires are here. Fire

time is here. Good luck. Godspeed. But I got this water this chunk of water technology on my water main and I've got an app on my phone that tells me what it's thinking. And I've had it for about a week and last night I get a little, I get an email from my water thing, from my flow thing, my flow regulator, that it detected a small leak.

And then I'm like, oh fuck, what is happening now? And this is something I didn't have to deal with. And now I can look at the app and detects a small leak and then I'm like, oh fuck, what is happening now? And this is something I didn't have to deal with and now I can look at the app and detects a small leak and but it could be a toilet running. It could be whatever. So now I got to, you know, alert the person staying at my house, you know, look, you may maybe check the like, it's just another thing. I'm already worried, but now I have, reason, because I've got a thing with a switch that's saying this is happening.

And I guess that's good, but it's like the ring camera, mine is set too sensitively because it wasn't picking up coyotes occasionally. And at the very least, I'd like to enjoy singing a coyote in front of my house. And now I got it too sensitive. So now every time a car drives by, it picks that up and I get that little ring but I just

live with that and I get numb to it but now I've got a water app yeah and now that you know and then I have the that whoop app that you know I thought we were gonna advertise but we didn't and now I can't get that off of my wrist so I don't even know how I slept or whether I you know got enough sleep or what my heart rate is or what my HRV is or what my recovery is all those things that I don't understand but I've become reliant on it to know whether or not you know I can function on any given day whether or not whatever the thing says I'm gonna live the life I live but I do it does plant a seed of

like well I guess I'm not completely up to speed here where before you just be like well I'm a little tired but you know I'll get through it now it's like well now I know because so I'm a little tired, but I'll get through it. Now it's like, well, now I know. Because, so I'm just saying, whatever information we're getting, it's just expanding our anxiety. And it's kind of broadening the potential for panic and anxiety and concern.

And again, most of that is just hooked up to some sort of dopamine or cortisol reaction all of it ultimately leads to you becoming more reliant on this extension of your brain. I guess I guess I'll you know I'll find out I'll find out if there's a toilet running and then I'll be able to go well this amp's not so bad but did I need it? Maybe I did I don't know I'll find out if there's a toilet running and then I'll be able to go, well, this app's not so bad, but did I need it? Maybe I did. I don't know.

I'll let you know. But it's on my mind and that's what they want. Reliant. You wanna be reliant on that thing that says uh-oh on your fucking phone. Oh my God. Does it end? Yes, it does.

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I don't know how I missed everything, but I think looking at it honestly, I really don't watch TV comedies much. Like I miss The Office, I miss Seinfeld, I didn't watch Community. A lot of that had to do with the fact that when some of these things started, was before streaming, and I was out at night doing comedy.

And I just never made time or I didn't have the drive to sit and watch TV because I was out at night. That's the unusual life I live. So I'd never really watched The American Office and I've been watching it from the first episode and what's odd is I learned, look I knew it was funny and there's a great ensemble cast, there's a lot of good comedy and it's great writing and Steve Carell is great, but I can't take it. I can't take it. As funny as that character is,

if comedy is based on a sort of cringe element that is cringe without sort of, that character has no self-awareness, I don't know, there's something about it that just gets relentlessly annoying to me. And watching them in a binge way where you're just watching one or the other, as funny as it is, I just, I find it almost unwatchable

after a certain point because there's no relief from from that character's lack of self-awareness. It's funny but after you know a few episodes I'm like oh my god it's just uh I can't take it. Maybe that's a an unusual way to look at that show. Again I'm not taking anything away from the brilliance of it just not for me and then I realized it's the same with Seinfeld. I just can't take his character. And as funny as it might be, it's just like, I can't do it. Because it doesn't float in the world of reality enough or something, I don't know.

Again, not diminishing the brilliance of some of these shows. There's plenty of heart in the office. I get it. But it's just just not for me I guess. No crime in that, right? I can't wait to get home. My cats are, oh my god, doesn't matter. Some of you have kids, don't know how you do it. I just, everybody's okay. It's gonna be okay.

Look, Allie Makovsky has a new YouTube show called Allie's Interview Show, and she's out on tour starting in Maryland on October 3rd. You can go to alliemakovsky.com to see where she'll be throughout the fall. But right now she's here, and this is me talking to my friend and very funny comic, Ali Mikofsky.

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I think so. But I remember there was a period there where people were getting very ornate vaping equipment. Like they had like, you know, almost like when you were buying bongs and shit yeah are they still around like the fancy vape the goal I wouldn't say that just like the regular these are I like these because they're like skinny and they look like the things used to plug into your computer yeah totally like a little USB yeah USB drive yeah but the other the new ones like all these new brands of vape, it's crazy You can like play games on them. It'll like for the kids. There's like light up things on it

Tells you like clubs. No You accessorize what you're doing old. It's crazy. Yeah, but like but you can't live without it. No I try I did once there's one time time where I gave it up for like two months. I don't know, man. It's just like I've been on and off it so long and I know, because like now I got the coffee. I did that Amoeba What's in Your Bag thing today. There's a Dunkin' across, so now I'm jammed. Oh, you were in Hollywood? I was in Hollywood. And then I went to the dentist, because I have a dubious tooth.

What's that? Fuck man, I don't know. I'm getting old, god damn it. And it's like fucking with my head all of a sudden. What's the deal with this tooth? My gums have always been really kind of fucked up because of my bite, but this tooth was just, I was a little sensitive and I felt it up here.

And it's okay, I just wanted to get a check before I go back to Canada for three weeks. And it's probably gonna need a root canal. I mean, it might be good to save it up and wait until you're in Canada, get some free dental. Yeah, but I don't know, can I? I think so. But not if I don't live there.

No, I think you can go. Like, what would happen if you were just on a vacation and you broke your foot in Canada? Well, I think you just gotta pay out of pocket. Oh, really? Yeah, it's not just sort of like, oh, there's a place there. But people go to Mexico to get like root canals. That's different.

Yeah, but that's not free. It's just cheaper. It's way, yeah, that's true. You know? Yeah. I don't know. I'm sure you have good insurance. It doesn't really matter.

Yeah, insurance rarely covers the things that you actually need to do for, it's probably looked at as a cosmetic surgery or they don't cover all of it, I don't fucking know. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, all I can think is like it's happening. Yeah, the decay. Yeah, there's no-

It starts with the teeth. Well, that goes on forever. So what's going on? Like, I think we waited the right amount of time since you opened for me and I learned your life story in the car for me to forget it. I'm like, I think I don't remember much about it, even though we talked for hours. Maybe it's time to do this.

Refresh your memory. There's a couple of dark spots. Well, I know I kind of, I know your dad smoked cigars. Yeah, that's about it. I know you're from down here somewhere. Yeah. Right? Yeah.

All right, good, we're done, I guess. Okay, great episode. Now I can check it off the list. I did Marin. How's your, yeah, you've done a lot of things. But then I started thinking about, like the first time I saw you, and I thought you were, I didn't know what to make of you.

I just, I thought like, you were actually, like, I was at this- Can I just say? What? I wish I had a story of like, well, I met you. Do you? No, but I would, it's fun to do that. Well, I think you always kind of kept aloof.

Well, and why? At the store. I don't know, the first time I saw you, you were getting out of Joe Rogan's car. Was I? Yes. Oh, we were coming from the improv. You remember that one time you were in his car?

Yeah, because I'd never, that was like our first time carpooling before, so it was very exciting. And it was in that vet, was it the vet? Or was it like a Camaro? I think he had a Tesla. I think it was just like a Tesla. Oh, I don't know, but like I was at the store

and you know, whatever my feelings about Rogan are, what they are, but then I see you climb out, I'm like, who the fuck is this person now? Yeah, yeah. Where did she come from? Yeah, a lot of opinions can be formed just from that one visual. Why is she getting out of Joe Rogan's car?

Well, I didn't think anything dubious. Sure. But I'm just sort of like, why is that lady aligned with that guy? Yeah. Well, it's funny, because sometimes I'll be doing certain shows, like whether it's headlining or just like locally,

and depending on the audience or the neighborhood, the host will be like, oh, do you want me to say Rogan? And I, and depending on the audience or the neighborhood, the host will be like, oh, do you want me to say Rogan? And I like look out at the audience and I'm like, not tonight, I think we're good. You can say something else. Well, you know, it's a very odd thing because like, I mean, you open for me and my audience is what it is,

a very polite grown up bunch. That's my credit when I'm on the East side. I was gonna say Marin? Yeah, I go Marin. You can say Marin for this one. My audience is what it is, a very polite, grown-up bunch. That's my credit when I'm on the East Side. Is it? Yeah, I go Marin. You could say Marin for this one. But when you go into like, what, where do you use the Rogan one? If I'm, if there's like, if I'm doing,

you know those don't tell shows? Yeah. They're like these kind of like secret lineup, random venue shows. Yeah. And a lot of times they're at like crossfit gyms for some reason. So if I do one of those shows

and it's a lot of like jacked dudes in the audience, I'm like, I need them on my side from the jump. So I'm like, you can use Rogan. But like how many times did you do Rogan? Well, I went on tour with him. I did a couple of dates opening for him. I would say maybe like six times. At the beefy guy rallies.

At the. The 90% male audience shows. Yeah. Yeah. But it's great cause they bring their girlfriends and their girlfriends show up and they're like, someone. Oh good. Someone for us. A lady talking.

Yeah. I don't get to do that. It was nice. It was fun. I did, yeah, it was fun. Yeah. But don't get to do that. It was nice, it was fun. I did, yeah, it was fun. Yeah, but you did a lot of them or just a few? I did a few of those and then back when he was living out here, I would do a lot of his like local shows at like the ice house or the store or things like that.

You were just in that crew? Yeah, because when I was like a year into comedy, I started doing Kill Tony. Right. And so I was like a regular on that podcast. How does that work? You go up there and there's a panel of guys who just, you know, shit on your jokes? Well...

Because I remember doing it once early on when it was like in the belly room, but I never really understood the concept. I'm not sure I do now, but clearly it's very popular. Yes, it's like a live open mic and podcast where anyone can sign up. You put your name in a bucket, you sign up. If you get pulled- Even for Madison Square Garden?

Even for Madison Square Garden, I think, yeah. So just like local New York comics, put their names in. I think for their bigger shows, they'll have certain people who are definitely going on, but then they'll still do a few random polls. But yeah, you just sign up, and if you get your name pulled out of the bucket

during the show, Tony Hinchcliffe, Brian Redban, and then two comedian guests will watch you do a minute of comedy. A minute. Yeah, just one minute. And so when I was starting out, I was- And then comment on it. And comment on it, yeah.

So it can either go really well and it's really fun or it can just be horrible and devastating. Which also, I think because their audience is so big, it's like even getting shit on is like people's dreams come true. Yeah, right. Like it still does well for them by doing poorly. It does?

Yeah, because you garner this weird audience who likes how- And they come see you when you suck? I don't know if they come see you. But you're one of the people that was on Killton. But you've been on, now you're known. But you did that when I was at the store. Yeah, when I was up in the Belly Room. So just I put my name in because I was doing open mics at the time and like local small shows. Yeah. So I would sign up for it and I got pulled

out of the bucket a few times and did fairly well. For you though, you're a joke person so like a minute that's like what four jokes? Yeah, especially early on. Yeah. In stand-up like all my jokes were just like two sentences. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's good for that. So it was helpful. And it was good just for, because I became like a regular on that show, so every week I would perform a new minute,

which was cool because... In the Belly Room. Yeah, because all the guests were changing. So it was cool to be able to like, if you were on the panel, to be able to say like, Mark Maron saw a minute of my material. And so it was helpful, just kind of, it felt like school in a way.

And I had like dropped out of school, so it's like. Did you do Roast Battle too? I did it a few times. I don't understand that either. Like for me, like going to the store, and I guess this is maybe old guy shit, where like there's part of me that's like, what the fuck is this?

It's not the way you do it. Like, you know what I mean? It's not, it's a gimmick. It's not, and now I'm starting to realize like, all right, old guy, so what? Who cares? It's like an extracurricular. It's like, if that's your only thing,

then sure, that's kind of like. But it's stage time of a sort. Yeah, and it's like- Andracurricular. It's like if that's your only thing, then sure, that's kind of like. But it's stage time of a sort. Yeah, and it's like. And Roast Battle is just what, you get up in front of, that's not like a panel of comics, you just get, you just. Well, sometimes I think there would be like a panel of comics judging.

So usually it's always like Jeff Ross was there. Oh right, that's right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then it would be like whoever was in town. And you just shit on, you just like play the dozens with somebody? I got, yeah, yeah, you just like play the dozens with somebody? I got, yeah. Yeah, you just kind of go back and forth. Uh-huh.

But I think it's like a good comedy challenge of like writing a joke differently. To be, I'm not good at the roast jokes. Yeah. I had fun with it, but it definitely like after a while, I was like, I don't want to focus my energy on this. But you feel like doing those things like,

but did you do Rogan's podcast? Yeah, I did it twice. In Austin? Yeah, both times, yeah, both times were in Austin. And you sat there for three hours? Yeah. I'm good for about one, I'd say. I know, I've never really watched it, so what happened?

So you do, like, he interviews, you do bits, and then for two hours you just listen to these other guys talk, kinda, like he interviews, you do bits, and then for two hours, you just listen to these other guys talk, kind of, or chime in, or is it like morning radio? No, I don't even know what to, I like, I remember the first time I did it, I was- Do you smoke a lot of weed when you do it? I don't smoke any weed.

I'm sober. Okay. You know this. I forgot, well now I know again. Oh my God. Yeah, so no, I don't smoke. I just vape. But I remember like going into it being like,

okay, it's three hours. I like had a big breakfast. I was like, I gotta fuel up for this. And I was like calling my friends like, oh my gosh, do you have any like any advice or whatever? And my friend goes, if he starts playing videos of like animals being shot, you know, it's over. It's like after an hour of the interview,

he's like, hey Jamie, pull up that video of the deer. Oh, so they do a lot of that kind of stuff. Some stuff like that, yeah. It's kind of weird that I've never really watched it. And I don't know if that's a principle thing or just, I don't listen to podcasts and I don't really, it's not what I go to at all. I've seen clips and stuff,, I don't listen to podcasts and I don't really, you know, it's not what I go to at all. I've seen clips and stuff, but I don't know

what it would be like to be on there. I did it here, but he just wanted to hear Candace and stories. And I don't remember it being that long. Maybe it was. Yeah, it could have been. I feel like you're a good talker. No, I can talk. Yeah, you can, yeah.

Yeah, I just, you know, it's just like, I don't, what it really comes down to with the way the world is set up now in terms of like how one garners an audience is when it comes right down to it, whatever's gonna go on between me and Joe is gonna be tense. Uh-huh. You know, I've known the guy since he started. Yeah. And like I do have, and I've shared, you know,

not particularly fawning opinions of him. So, you know, the exchange is not going to be great. It'll be, you know, but there's nothing to gain from me because, you know, his people already don't like me for whatever reason. And I'm sure I could do it, but like, what do I need to do it for? Sure. You know what I mean? I've got this nice cultivated group of grownup people that enjoy coming to see me and there's plenty of them. I'm sure there is a Venn diagram in which your audience and Joe Rogan's audience, there is some crossover.

Yeah, there's like nine guys. There's nine guys that aren't honest with their friends. Who like me as well. It's probably, it's all in my head. It doesn't matter. Yeah, it totally is. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I could imagine you doing one of his shows and doing very

well. You know, I wonder. I wonder, like, but I just don't, you know, it's just, he's got people on there where I'm like, I don't even want to sit in the same chair as that fucker. Yeah. Not comics. Yeah. Just people. Yeah. That's like you're going to try to make Tucker Carlson a person.

I don't need that. Yeah. You're going to make Alex Jones a person? I'd rather them just be monsters. Yeah. I know you can't comment and I understand. It's a difficult position to be put in and I've dealt with it before. I understand that on another level,

he's very good for comedy in terms of getting visibility. Totally. Yeah, I think it's very complex because it's like, sure, there's plenty of things that I disagree with him on. Yeah, sure. But I also am like, I think what he uses his comedy for is like so helpful to young comics and yeah, just like putting comedy on the map and totally different.

I mean, I used to feel that when I did Opie and Anthony. I'd go in there and I'd be like, oh my God, is there gonna be like some woman blowing a guy for the second half of the show? Is there gonna be some sort of strange, racist, clusterfuck happening that I have to kind of sit out and just not comment on? And I guess there's a similarity.

It's not as extreme as that, but you are sitting there. So it gets to the point where you're like, no, I'm out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just, I'm so easily bendable that you put me around that and I'm like, hell yeah. Yeah, do it. Get the tits out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I'm not quite like that, but you do, there is part of me that's sort of like, all right, well, I guess I'll just hang in. So, wait, so where'd you grow up again? Like San Diego? No, I grew up in Long Beach. Oh, right here.

Yeah, I grew up in Long Beach, but I went to school in Orange County, so it's weird because I'm like, I would love to be able to claim Long Beach harder, but I feel like because I went to school in Orange County, I feel like that is really kind of what it should be. But what does Long Beach mean? Like, how is it defined? I mean, I know it was sort of like a rapper place, right? Parts of it. Yeah.

Yeah, like Northside Long Beach. Yeah, yeah. It was like big hip hop. Yeah, Snoop Dogg. Yeah, yeah. Cameron Diaz, Sublime. Yeah, that's a kind of an interesting mix. Me. Cameron Diaz comes from there?

Yeah. She still lived down there? Her and Snoop Dogg went to school together. Isn't that great? I know. Snoop Dogg's become this kind of like lovable kind of- He just won't stop. This lovable pot clown.

Yeah. It's like, what would make this more fun? And let's see if Snoop will do it. And he will. He will. Apparently he made the Olympics bearable. Yeah. I didn't watch any of it.

Well, and it's so funny because he's like pretty old now, I think. Yeah, I think he's got like great grandkids or something. He's gotta be like, I don't know how old he is. He's a good actor too. You think so? Sometimes. What does he act it in?

He was amazing in, what's that one where he plays, he's in a wheelchair, oh it's Training Day. Mmm. He's got like a bit part in Training Day where they're busting drug dealers. Yeah. And you know, he's in a wheelchair and he was good in Baby Boy, fucking great.

I don't know what that is. That's a masterpiece, John Singleton movie. Okay. It's great, Taraji Henson's in it. But yes, Snoop plays the boyfriend that was in prison, and he's great. Interesting. You gotta watch that movie.

Okay. I used to plug it all the time. I will. I think it's a great movie. Did you see Sing Sing? Yeah, I had the real guy on here. You had him on? When's that coming out?

It's out. Wow. Yeah. Oh. That was great. I'm gonna have to listen. Did you like that movie? I loved it.

All right, so Long Beach, so now, like, what is it? Are you Jew? Half Jew. Right, I remember. Dad's side. The cigar smoking Jew. Yeah. So, like, what was going on down there?

What's he do down there besides smoke cigar? Both of my parents were longshoremen. So they worked at the docks in Long Beach and San Pedro. Your mom was a longshoreman? Yeah, my mom got my dad into the longshoring game. What does that entail? I have no idea. There's like a hundred different jobs

you can have as a longshoreman. So longshoreman is like a union designation? Super union. So like the longshoreman union. I-L-W-U. Right, but that covers a lot of different dock jobs. Probably. I'm not, it's such a weird job.

Yeah, just think like on the waterfront or something. Yeah, totally, it is on the waterfront. Yeah, all the cargo that comes in. So that was their gig? Yeah. Their whole life? My mom, no, neither of them their whole life, but pretty much most of my life, yeah.

I think they had done it for probably 20 years. And they were both retired? My mom retired, my dad's like in the process of retiring. Yeah? Yeah. How many cigars is he smoking? He's cut back. He's maybe on like one a day.

Oh really? Yeah, but he was like bad for a while. He would do like five cigars a day. Just all day long? Yeah, not like the little mini cigars, like a full cigar. Full like 45 minutes smoke. Oh yeah. Yeah, does he chomp on him? Yeah, is he a chomper? Oh, he's a chomper and because he works down at the docks and he drives the you know trucks around people hate

They're like was Larry in this car before me because it'll just reek of cigars because it's an outdoor job So he can just kind of Cigars. Yeah, so he's just kinda kick back, smoke cigars, yeah. So he's a character. He's such a character, yeah. Well, like, I remember you telling me stuff about him. Like, what, was he into comedy? I think so, yeah, he loves Rodney Dangerfield.

Right. And he'll do impressions of Rodney all the time. Yeah. He's very silly. How did his family get out here? Do you have grandparents? Yeah, well my grandpa's dead. My grandma's waiting eagerly to die, but she's around.

But you grew up with them in your life? Yeah, yeah my grandpa, he died when I was pretty young, like around seven or eight, but they- Those are your dad's parents? Yeah, these are my dad's parents. Are they like Jews from the East Coast? Yeah, yeah my grandpa, I don't think he, I think my dad's parents. Are they like Jews from the East Coast? Yeah. Yeah, my grandpa, I don't think he, I think my grandpa's from out here.

My grandma grew up in Brooklyn. She was saying like when she was growing up, there would literally be sheeps in Brooklyn. Like it was a lot of like kind of farms. Wow, yeah. And her family was like super poor. And then she moved out to like Culver City. Everything turned around.

Everything turned around. She met your grandfather. Yeah, and they had like a furniture business or something or a liquor store business. Classic. Yeah, they got eloped. They eloped. They eloped.

Where they brought up Jewie? Oh yeah. Really? Oh yeah. Really? Oh yeah. Very Jewy. So you had that component there. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.

But my dad in particular, very like laid back. He's like casual Jew. And I remember when I was going through the phase of my life where I'm like looking for meaning. When does that stop? You're not in it anymore? No, I still have that part of me that wants community and whatever. I love that.

I do, there's something so fun about it. No, I just like, every few years I'm like, what am I doing? Yeah. And then there's a clock on it now, it's a fucking nightmare. So does your dad have siblings? Yeah, he has three other siblings.

Yeah, are they around? They're all around. Oh yeah? Mm-hmm. But they're much more religious, and I remember I wanted to be more Jewish. When you were how old? I would say this was like middle school.

Everyone started having like bar mitzvahs and bar mitzvahs. Or your cousins. Yeah, or yes. Yeah. And I was like, I wanna do that. That seems fun. And my dad's like, it's expensive. Which felt kind of like a bar mitzvah, you know?

It's very Jewish. He's like, too expensive. He's like, just have a party here. We can do one, yeah, but not with many people. Yeah. We had a backyard party for my 13th. You did? Yeah.

But they didn't belong to a synagogue or? No, and then I remember one year for Hanukkah, I was like, dad, can I please light the menorah? Like, and he was like, yeah, just blow out the candles when you're done. Just that type, you know? It sounds like he just was over it. Yeah, yeah. That happens when you come from Jewishness. You sounds like he just was over it. Yeah, yeah.

That happens when you come from Jewishness. You're just sort of like, ugh. But my grandma, very Jewish. My mom, she's not Jewish, and so we would do Christmas at our house. My grandma would not come over if we had a Christmas tree up. Really?

Yeah, she would not come to visit us. Wow, this sounds like an entire section of Alex Edelman's show. Yeah. You need to capitalize on this after you. I know. I'll do a one woman. Yeah, do a one woman about Christmas trees and cigars.

I gotta get Burbickley out to back me up. Oh yeah, be real earnest. More one of those wrap around TED Talk mics. I would love to. Scatter a few random things on the stage. Yeah. So your mom never converted? I guess she didn't want, why should she?

Your dad didn't give a shit. I want to say no, but I feel like she went, like she took classes, but I don't think she officially converted. She took how to be married to a Jew classes? Yeah, it didn't work out well. They did get divorced, but she tried. What do I do with this Jew courses

at the Long Branch Community Center? Long Beach Community Center. Complain. Yeah, yeah. Try it. Try to tolerate it. Yeah. And don't take them too seriously. Yeah. When they get divorced. I got divorced when I was about five I think. Oh. So you barely knew them as a couple. I think that's the best time. If there's any parents listening, if you're gonna get divorced, do it when the kid's young. So there's not this weirdness?

Yeah, cause you don't really know a difference. It's like they're two separate people who I love, but imagining them together, I'm like, it's so strange. Did they both live down there though? Yeah, they were both in Long Beach. So how far of a drive? For what? To go see one or the other between them.

Not for like 10 minutes. Ah, and they're friends? They've gone through their periods, but they're friendly, yeah. Now if we do like family get togethers, everyone's there, everyone's fine. You have siblings? Two older sisters, yeah.

You do? Yeah. Makovskys? Well, now they're married, so no. Older sisters? Yeah. You were the youngest one? I'm the baby.

Did they end up with normal lives? So normal, the most normal, very normal. They have babies, they got married. Everything's just very by the book, traditional. Did they do the Jewish thing or no? My oldest sister, yeah, she converted. Oh really? Yep.

Married a Jewish guy? She just had her baby's bris. Bris? Yeah. Come over, cut it off. Little moishi. That's his name? That was one of the options. Oh. Yeah. What'd they go with? They went with Oliver. Much different. Yeah, very different vibe. So she's down there too? They're all here? No, she's in Arizona and then my other sister's in

the bay. Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Arizona. Yeah. Like Scottsdale? Yeah. Yeah, Scottsdale Jews? Yeah, your joke about Josh. Josh. That's her husband's name, it cracks me up. Josh, Barry, Seth.

Yeah. Yeah, I'm talking, who's the guy who made that joke? Greg Proops. He says, it was at the Montreal Comedy Festival. He's like, I was just talking to three guys named Josh. That's so funny. It's a show business. That's also Greg Proops from Me and My Dad Would Always,

cause I'm always like, was my dad like a big comedy guy? And like growing up, all my memories are like watching Whose Line Is It Anyway with him, Last Comic Standing. So he liked it, getting the laughs. Yeah. So what happened? So how, what's the age difference? So your sister's split? My sisters are seven and five years older than me. That's a lot. Yeah. So I was kind of a whoopsy. Oh, really? Yeah. My mom says I'm like a gift from God, but.

So she, so how the, so she left all the, well, I mean, they got divorced when those kids were older. Yeah. So my sister is like, know them as a unit. Right. What'd they report on that? I think it was like all good. It was fairly nice. We never know. Yeah. What's going on. Totally.

So they just, so you're kind of a latchkey kid for- Oh yeah. Oh yeah. From what, 14 on, 13 on? No, I would say pretty early on. I mean, my sisters kind of raised me in some ways because they were like the grownups, you know? What they turn you on to.

Well, that's the kind of, I always hear these stories about the cool older sibling. Yeah. And I think in some ways, like they did, I think my humor as a young girl was much more mature. Like I was seven years old, like making kind of inappropriate jokes or like making the adults laugh.

So I think because of me wanting to fit in with them, I knew how to like talk like a grownup, but I was too young, my voice was like, hey, you know? So I think that that's what helps, but they were like very, you know, they listened to pop music. Like I didn't get turned on anything cool or start smoking cigs.

No cigs? No, mm-mm. But they did. Weed? I did that more on my own with my friends, like once I got into middle school. So where does it like start to go south for you? Pretty early on. When do you define yourself against the grain?

Well, this is a really weird fact that I've told you, but I'll refresh your memory. An alley fact? Yeah, when I was seven, I was getting ready for school with my sisters. We're listening to the radio, Kiss FM with Ryan Seacrest. And I'm like, I wanna call in. I wanna like hear my voice on the radio.

That sounds cool. I hear other people calling in. I wanna call in. And you're how old, seven? I'm seven. So I go to my oldest sister and I'm like, what's the number? You know the number, what's the number? Give it to me.

And she's like, I'm not giving you the number. If you get on the radio, my friends are gonna hear you, you're gonna embarrass me. I'm not giving you the number. So I'm like, okay, fine. But now she tries calling in, I've given her this idea. So she calls in, she doesn't get through. She's in high school, so my dad has to take her.

So my dad and her are on their way to school. Me and my other sister are at home. I go into our room, I hit redial. I get in immediately, but I have no game plan. I haven't thought this through. And so I'm like screaming to my sister, I'm like, what do I say? What do I do?

She's like, ask for Britney Spears tickets. So I'm like, okay. So I'm talking to Ryan Seacraster, I'm like, hi Ryan. He's like, how old are you? I'm like, I'm seven. Um, I was just calling to see if I can get Britney Spears tickets. And he's like, okay, like, can you sing a Britney

Spears song for us? I'm like, of course. So I started, I started singing Toxic by Britney Spears. I'm seven years old. I'm singing like, the taste of your lips, I'm on a ride. And I feel like I sing a good amount of the song. No one's stopping me, so I'm just going for it.

And at the end he goes, we don't have Britney Spears tickets, but we have American Idol tickets. And I was like, I'll only go if they're VIP. Yeah, you said that? Yeah, and he's like, who is this child demanding VIP? Like that's not enough for her, she's seven. And so we keep going with the conversation. He's like, who is this child demanding VIP? Like that's not enough for her, she's seven. And so we keep going with the conversation.

He's like, where's your parents? I'm like, I don't know, it's seven in the morning. He's like, what's happening? So at the end of the call, he's like, stay on the line, our producer wants to talk to you. So I stay on the line, the producer gives me his phone number and he's like, have your dad call us when he gets back. We have an idea.

So I'm like, okay. So my dad gets back, I'm like, hey dad, just talk to Ryan Seacrest. Here's the number of the producer. We'll talk to you. And so my dad calls and they're like, we wanna do this like prank calling thing. We wanna see if it'll work.

Cause I think they did it with like Jimmy Kimmel and those people on K-Rock back in the day. It was a bit like that. So they were like, we want to try this. Maybe not a kid, but a young person. So we want to see if this will work. So my dad drives me up to Hollywood, and we go to the studio.

It's right off Hollywood and Highland. And we record like five episodes. What do you do? We pre-record five episodes. Do you just call people? One I called the DMV to see if my sister can get a new driver's license photo because she looks really ugly in hers.

And you're clearly a kid. I'm so clearly a kid. Hi, I'm just calling to see if my sister, she looks like an ugly duckling. I'm so clearly a kid. Hi, I'm just calling to see if my sister, she looks like an ugly duckling. And so we do calls like that. I think I called like Amoeba and I was just singing to them.

I'm like, do you know what this song is? And I would sing whatever the popular song was. Right. Did people answer you? Like, what do you know? Like what did the DMV say? Well, the DMV, we weren't able to get through to them. And so we ended up using my sister to pretend,

because my sister was up there with me. The whole family came, you know, it's our big Hollywood break. No, the oldest sister. And so she came up with me and she pretended to be the DMV person. Just because we're like, we gotta get this one. Oh, you fudged it.

We faked it. And then at a certain point, a lot of those calls were done by actors because there was a law about prank calling. Oh, so they're all fake. So we had to eventually stop, like I think in the last year of me doing it. How long did you do it?

I did it for about three years. Three and a half years. Really? Yeah, I did it from when I was seven to I think 11. And how many did you do, like 100? I mean, there would be four a week, and then on Friday people would pick their favorite to be played. So you're getting paid? Not at first, and then they're like,

oh, this is illegal, we have to start paying you. So did you get into AFTRA because of it? I actually, maybe I did. It was a really strange experience because it truly happened by pure coincidence. And so I remember, then they got me an agent or a manager or something, and they would send me on auditions,

and I had no idea what I was doing. I got brought into Disney to do a Hannah Montana audition, and they're like, okay, can you do a monologue? And I was just like, what's that? And they're like, you can go. I was like, okay. Oh, that's Miley's show? Yeah.

Oh, were you a fan of that show? Once it came out, oh yeah, I was like, audition for that. I bombed it, but. I have no sense of her other than her pop star-ness. I just got a record of hers. You would love her. No, I love her. Yeah.

I mean, I love everything about her, but I don't know her music really, but I know she can sing her ass off. Have you heard her do like the covers of like the more? Yeah, I've seen her do that stuff on reels and whatnot. And I believe my buddy is managing her now. I'd love to talk to her, but it just hasn't happened. But I was doing that Amoeba, What's in Your Bag thing,

and I got her last record. Nice. Yeah. Like she's aoeba, what's in your bag thing, and I got her last record. Nice. Yeah. Like she's a, I think she's like powerful person. She's a real deal. Totally. Yeah. So you didn't get that role and you went on another stuff?

Yeah, I never got anything. But that's where you got the show business bug? Well, that's like, no, because I really enjoyed doing it. It was so fun. And I guess it just, it wasn't that I got the show business bug, it was more that like my idea for what a job could be changed.

I was like, oh, you can just do like silly stuff and make money. And like. These people are just talking on microphones, making money. Yeah. So I feel like that's kind of what the shift was for me. Oh yeah?

And then I went through the period of being a has-been, you know, in middle school. Once that gig ended. Did they know you at school? Oh yeah, I was a big deal at school. Really? Oh yeah, I had fake friends. It's like all this stuff.

It's just so funny picturing like- It's a little show business. An 11 year old kid in middle school being like, oh, did you know that Nick only dated you because you were on the radio? I'm like. Did you have an entourage? I had a bit of an entourage.

Yeah, I had some friends. They were using me for Shark Tales movie premiere tickets. Did they go to the studio with you? Not that I can remember. So your dad would have to drive you in every time? Well, so eventually. Or they send a car? So yeah, so my dad used to drive me in

and then he gave it to my sister. He was like, you can drive her in. And then eventually they would have someone from Kiss FM bring me in. So they'd have their like wrapped car with like Ryan C. Crest face all over it come pick me up from school. Everyone would know,

cause I'd always leave one day a week. We'd make it, we'd pre-record calls. So they'd pick me up on school, everyone would know, because I'd always leave one day a week. We'd make it, we'd pre-record calls, so they'd pick me up on like a Tuesday, I'd leave like half an hour before school ended, and people would be like, ah, Ali's going to Hollywood. You were a star. Yeah.

Oh, and you had hangers on. I did a parade or two, I did a local parade. Did you? Uh-huh, the Long Beach Christmas parade. Now like, you think if Ryan saw you now, he'd be like, hey. Well the funny thing is, he was never in the studio

when I recorded. It was always like a producer. And so I would see him a few times. There would be like a yearly, like clear channel group brunch in Malibu that I'd go to. So I'd see him there. I'd see him at like the concerts, like Wengo Tango or Jingle Balls. And so I'd see him there. I'd see him at like the concerts, like Wango Tango or Jingle Balls.

And so I'd see him there. But recently I did a Zoom call-in with him. And so we got to like re- For what? I don't, I think to like promote a show or something. Of yours. Yeah. So it wasn't that he didn't know you from,

but you had to refresh his memory? No, no, no. He remembered. It was like, you know, where's little Ali now? That type of thing. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

But yeah, it's just strange. It's wild. Yeah. And like, what happened in American Idol? Did you go? Oh yeah, I went. Which year, who was on that one? I don't remember.

My neighbor, because my parents were divorced and I was a latchkey kid, like a neighbor took me, like an older lady. Oh yeah, yeah. She took me and she was like, you have to wear black because if you wear bright colors, they won't see you in front. And she was so wrong. We got put in the back.

I was like, this is the worst day of my life. Why did I, like, I blocked it all out. I have no memory from that. I was like, this is the worst day of my life. Why did I like I blocked it all out? I have no memory from that because I was so disappointed. So this is like you're not even in junior high yet No, and no, I guess my last year of doing it was my first year of middle school Yeah, and then like what what happens see, you know, it's another job But how do you proceed with your life after that? I guess luckily it was like low enough stakes or not too much change. I think it was more devastating for my dad

because my dad would use all the perks. I remember one time he picked me up from school in a rental car because his car was in the shop. He picks me up in a drop top convertible. He was like, they were gonna give me a Honda, but I asked them if they listened to Kiss FM and turns out they're a big fan of yours, so I got the convertible. That's hysterical.

Yeah. Was there more of that? Because I remember with radio, they had all kinds of deals going on. Yeah. Free promotions, food, all that shit. I would go to a lot of kids' events, like the Shark Tales movie premiere. That was a big one. Got special treatment?

I got some VIP. I introduced the movie. I got to bring on, no doubt, but more so, Gwen Stefani at one of the concerts. Oh, that's cool. I got to meet a lot of cool people. Ryan Seacrest was trying to do a show at the studio, like a TV show, interviewing a musician. So he wanted to bring me on. So there's like, it never came out.

And I hope that there's footage of it somewhere. Cause there's an interview of me with, I wanna say Twista. The guy who raps super, super fast. Right, Twista? Yeah, I don't know. And I was like, can you do Sally sells seashells by the seashore?

Just like dumb little kid stuff like that. But it never came out. Was there a live audience? Not for that. Those were like in the green room before they went out to perform. Wild. Mm-hmm.

You had a full career in show business. Yeah, very strange. Really fun though. Yeah, but like, and then you just go on through high school and not doing anything? Yeah, and then I'm just, you're a regular middle school, high school girl. Like you seem pretty well adjusted.

Yeah, but I think that's because I was on the radio. Yeah. Like it wasn't a big deal. I mean, your parents, it didn't seem like there was like insanity. No, I mean, definitely my, so after once Lil Allie was over, I aged out of it at 11.

Is that what they called you? Yeah, Lil Allie. And, I aged out of it at 11. Yeah, Lil Allie. And they made my birthday April Fools. That's so lucky that you didn't become a full on child actor. I know. It would have been a nightmare for you now. Part of me, I used to be like,

what could have been, I could have been something. And then I'm like, I'm very grateful that things worked out the way they did. Yeah, it doesn't, most of the time it's not great for the kid actors. No. Yeah, you had just the right amount of fame. Yeah. Yeah, local.

It was perfect. Local fame is great. Yeah, you're still anonymous in a way. Yeah, especially because no one knew what I looked like. I remember at the time there would be Yahoo Answers. People would ask, who's this little girl? I bet it's some 30-year-old in Ohio who's a voice artist. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. People had all these conspiracies. You're already trolling the comment boards. You're already looking, what are they saying about me? Yeah. God, you got that very early on experience of that. Yeah.

So when do you start deciding to do the comedy thing? So then I get into high school and I'm on YouTube. I'm watching a lot of YouTube and I start seeing all these clips from the Laugh Factory and I'm watching them and I'm like, man that looks fun. Yeah. Pretty close by. Like who? Do you remember who was sort of like, oh, I can do that? I don't wanna say. It's really embarrassing. Oh, really? It's embarrassing, like you as a high school student? Here, I mean, Chris D'Elia, you know?

His perfect audience, a high school girl, becomes a huge fan of his. Because I think too, it makes sense, like my sister, my oldest sister, when she would pick me up from school, I remember I was in fifth grade, and she picked me up and she had the Dane Cook album, the CD, so we'd listen to it on the way home,

and it was hysterical, I loved it. And then I'd go to the Laugh Factory and there he is performing. What, after high school you mean? No, like when I'm in high school, I'm like driving to the Laugh Factory. With friends? No, I would go alone.

In high school? Yeah. Because you get those, what those Groupon tickets or whatever they are, how do you get tickets? I think I bought, I bought tickets. Well, I had child star money. So I'd buy my last ticket.

Oh yeah. And it's what 18 plus or? It's 18 plus so I use my older sister's expired ID. I like bid it where it said expired to make it look like a dog. So if people asked like, oh, I can't see, I'd be like, oh my dog, sorry, my dog chewed it. And that worked.

And it worked. So you're going there when you're what, 15? 16. Yeah. And you go to're going there when you're what, 15? 16. Yeah. And you go to the Laugh Factory and you see the, I guess he's not even older yet. It's still, he's just sort of over the hump of being Dane Cook, but he's there.

Yeah. And it's still exciting to see him. Sure. And so I would go, I'd see him a lot. I'd go at least once a week. From 15 on? About 16, yeah. And you've seen all the Laugh Factory acts. A lot of Tony Rock.

Yeah, no, I feel like at the time it was like, um, it was Deleah, it was Adam Ray, it was Domarera. I remember I would go so much that one night Domarera, during his set, he looks at me and he goes, are you stalking me? He goes, I've seen you here. Yeah. And I was.

So that was your place, never the store. I didn't even know about the store. I had no. Oh, because you just saw it on YouTube. I would just see The Laugh Factory on YouTube. I didn't know about the comedy store until my sister for my, I think it might've been my 18th birthday. She took me on a TMZ tour. Oh, okay. about the Comedy Store until my sister for my, I think it might've been my 18th birthday.

She took me on a TMZ tour. Oh, okay. So the TMZ tour is going down Sunset Boulevard and she goes, or maybe that was my, I don't know, whatever. It's driving down Sunset and it's like, here's the Comedy Store. And I'm like, what is this place? It just sells like whoopee cushions or something.

Like I just couldn't, like I didn't even. You didn't think like, what's that haunted old building? No, I truly was like a comedy store. Oh, right, right. A store for comedy. Yeah, novelty store. But my sister was like, no, this is like a really cool, it's like a famous club.

Yeah. And so from that point on. You're obsessed with what's going on in there. Yeah, and so one night me and my mom and my sisters, my mom's also a big comedy fan, which is great, but also kind of annoying for me now at this point. So she was, when you, you would watch comedy with her too?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know I got hung up on your dad, but you get along good with your mom too, right? Yeah, it's complicated, but I love her. Yeah. It's still complicated? Yeah. Yeah.

What's that about? You know, just alcoholism. Oh, she's got that? She's got a bit of that. Oh, so you grew up with that. Yeah. But you're not your dad. Well, my parents, they met at a 12-step convention

in the desert. No. Yes, they met at like one ofstep convention in the desert. No. Yes, they met at like one of those like, I think it was like. What was it called? Somethingpaw? Ricky, uh.

Ickypaw? Ickypaw. Yeah, they met at one of those. Yeah. So that's where their love story begins. So they were both sober. They were both sober and before they had me, they had about 13-ish years.

Of sobriety. Of sobriety. Long-term. Yeah, and then by the time they had me, they're like, things are different. They had about 13-ish years. Of sobriety. Of sobriety. Long term. Yeah, and then by the time they had me, they're like, things are different. You know, we have three kids. Yeah, let's get back on it. Let's try it out.

We can handle it. Yeah, so my dad started first. He'd go to the neighbor's house, drink in the garage. I think he was a little bit sloppy at first, but then kind of got a hold on it. And then my mom was soon after him and just then kind of got a hold on it. And then my mom was soon after him and just never really could get a hold on it. So your dad's still able to drink?

He's able to, I've only seen him drunk once, but it's like he smokes five cigars a day. So it's like, if it's not drinking, there's something else he's. Well, at least cigars aren't gonna make you like, you know, destroy your life. Totally. But your mom never kind of got it under control. No, she, you know, she your life. Totally. But your mom never kind of got it under control.

No, she, you know, she has moments and waves of like having sobriety, but. Wow, they were so dug into it, so scary. I know, it freaks me out because I've been sober now almost nine years. So wait, so when did you start drinking? I started drinking, I mean, really drinking, like in high school, like at the end of high school.

Yeah? Yeah. And so you're starting to get into comedy but not doing it yet and you're boozing it up? I'd done one open mic. In high school? Yeah. Where? At the Laugh Factory. Yeah, how'd that go? I have a video of it somewhere on my computer.

Is that good or bad? It's a reminder. It's cute. For my first time doing comedy, it's very cute. It's a very cute video. I'm so nervous, my hands shaking. There's an Italian guy, a tourist filming me on my phone just cracking up.

He thinks I'm hysterical. Oh, you had him hold the phone to do it. Oh yeah. It was crazy because when I was at the Laugh Factory, it was me, my sisters, and my mom were just there to see a show. Dan Cook is there, and I'm like, he's, I got it, he's my first comedian that I like really knew and loved. So I run up to him after he goes on, and I'm like,

I'm a huge fan, I'm only 17 years old, I really wanna do comedy, I don't know how, I don't know what to write about, I'm not even old enough to be here. What do I do? Yeah. And he turns to Jamie. Jamie's there and he's like, Jamie, this girl's 17. Can she do comedy?

And he's like, how did she get in? She's not supposed to be here. But he was like, they have an open mic here. It's on Tuesday. Jamie sent it? No, Dan sent it. And he was like, just go home, right? Like three to five minutes of whatever you think is funny

and then go to the open mic. So that night I go home, I'm fired up. I'm like so invigorated. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm writing the set. I talk about how my dad's lazy. He won't kill the bugs in my room. He's got Judge Judy on in the TV.

Just, it's bad comedy, but for my first time, I think it's pretty charming. But you're thinking about what's funny. Yeah. And I talk about, I had planned an introduction for when I get on stage. It was like, oh, I'm so out of shape, even the stair, just going up the stairs,

you know, I'm exhausted or something. That was gonna be your opener? And then it had like pause for laughter. I was like, that's gonna crush me being out of shape from getting up the stairs. A kid. A kid, yeah. It's winded.

Yeah. How'd that go over? Fine. Yeah, it was fine. I'll show you the video sometime. So, but when, how's the drinking unfold? Like what, how bad did that get? I feel like it got pretty bad, but I think too,

I'm sure it could have gone, I could have gone longer and probably gotten away with it for a little bit longer. So you started drinking in high school, so when you start doing comedy, you're boozing? No, I never, I don't drink when I'm doing comedy, but I would drink like after shows or after open mics. Yeah, so when does that start, right, when you graduate? What, comedy?

Yeah. Outside of the open mic you did in high school. So I go to college because I have money saved in a Kugen account. Radio money? My radio money, half of it was saved for college. Was that enough? Which was so ambitious of my parents.

It's pretty smart and they didn't spend it. It's smart. Well, my dad did. He bought outdoor patio furniture. My sisters told me we're having family dinner. They're like, did you know that dad spent your money on outdoor patio furniture? How much was there after three years?

Pretty good amount? Yeah, in total it was a really good amount. No shit. But the problem is that half of it I received upon, you know, the age of 16. So I'm like going to Coachella every year, buying the ugliest outfits. Yeah.

So I blew through that money real quick. Where'd you go to college? You went to college in Orange County. I went to this school in San Diego called San Marcos. Yeah. It's a pretty bad school. Like what, liberal arts school? No, I don't even know what it was.

It was just a UC, it was a commuter school. You just chose it because it was nearby? I got in, my grades were horrible. I didn't do well in school. They said, yeah, I said, okay, I'll go. So how long that last? So I lived there for a year, but I went to school for like maybe two months.

And so that's where I was. You lived on campus or just in city? Yeah, I lived in a dorm. Yeah. Well, that's not a commuter campus if they had dorms. A lot of people would drive in from Temecula. A lot of people like in Temecula would go there. So you lived in the dorms, you barely went to school.

I didn't go to school. Who's in it up? Oh yeah, oh yeah, drinking a lot. Really drinking a lot. And then I came back home. Well, the day after I graduated, I went to Israel. I went on birthright. Pete Slauson Where did that come from? Anna Winkler I just, I was like, okay, well, I'm not gonna go back to school. I'm young.

Pete Slauson Did your grandma, like, what made you think you should do that being, you know, barely Jewish? Anna Winkler I think I had heard about birthright and I was like, I wanna go. Free trip. Pete Slauson How was that? Anna Winkler Yeah, it wasright and I was like, I wanna go. Free trip. Yeah, it sounds great. It was amazing. I extended my trip. I stayed for a month.

It was my first time being away as an adult. Were you on a kibbutz or something? One night we did a kibbutz. And then- Who'd you go with? The Birthright group. Oh, all right. And I was boozing it up after the trip because I extended for a month.

I was loving it while I was there. I was like, I have to stay longer. And when you're on birthright, they bring a couple soldiers who are your age to join the trip with you just for fun. And one of the girls who was a soldier, she's like, you can stay with me if you're extending your trip.

So I'm like, okay. I get to her house after my trip and there's guards, there's security cameras. I'm like, I'm like, okay. I get to her house after my trip and there's guards, there's security cameras. I'm like, I'm in the ghetto. Why did I agree to this? This is so scary. And it turns out there's all this security and cameras because her dad and mom are these big Israeli socialites.

The mom is a TV personality, the dad is the minister of energy or something. Wow. And turns out the dad, I think, got in trouble for some sexual misconduct. Oh yeah, yeah. But I stayed with her, I stayed with some random soldier that I had met

when I was blacked out at a bar, I stayed in a hostel. It was all very dangerous now, looking back at it, I'm like, I was drinking so much. She had no real sense of what was really going on in Israel. No, not at that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But when I came home, I was like,

I'm gonna join the army, I'm gonna join the Israeli army. I wanna go back, I wanna live there. I'll be a medic, I'll do something noble. I'll help people. And how come you didn't follow through on that one? Well, so I'm getting all the paperwork, I'm like, okay, I'll be there noble. Yeah. I'll help people. And what, what, uh, how, how can you even follow through on that one? Well, so I'm getting all the paperwork. I'm like, okay, I'll be there for three years. By the time I'm out, I'll be 21.

I can do comedy. And you'll be tough. I can get, yeah, I'll have stories. I'll have structure. I'll have routines. Sure. I'll be able to get into all the clubs and bars. And so I get home, I'm looking at all the info.

Okay. One year I just learned how to speak Hebrew and I do training and then the other two years I go out there. Easy. Yeah. So I'm getting all all the info, okay? One year I just learned how to speak Hebrew and I do training and then the other two years I go out there, easy. So I'm getting all the paperwork together, I'm telling my dad, my dad's side of the family, everyone's like, you know, good for you. I tell my mom, we're at dinner, and she's like,

so what are your plans? Like, are you gonna go to college? What's going on with you? And I'm like, well, I'm glad you asked because I've actually come up with the perfect plan. I'm going to Israel. I'm going to join the Israeli army. And she steps outside and she just starts crying.

She's smoking a cigarette. I walk out there. She's like, why would you do that? She's like, okay, why don't you just drop out of school, live with me full time and do comedy. And I was like, okay, that don't you just drop out of school, live with me full time and do comedy? And I was like, okay, that sounds like a pretty good deal. So that's what I did. No more Israel.

I was just living with my mom. Started going to open mics every night. And you're drinking with your mom? No, no. I like to keep that separate. Yeah. So you're doing open mics. So this is like your what, 20?

At this point, I'm 19. Man. And what happens to make you decide to get sober? The last major thing was crashing my car in a blackout on the freeway in Sylmar. In the desert. Uh-huh. And it was like a one car accident?

Yeah, I hit the center divider. Luckily, like no one was hurt. And I think I probably like ended up falling asleep and was just driving so slow that like any cars near me were just moving right along. But yeah, I crashed my car in the center divider. Highway Patrol came for whatever reason. They didn't arrest me.

Yeah. And you drove the car home? No, I tried driving it away or driving it off the freeway, but it was totaled. So it wouldn't drive. So who came and got you? My sisters. I was calling everyone.

I was calling my mom, my dad, my sister. No one wanted to go to Selmar? No one answered. It was like three in the morning. Yeah. My sisters lived on the west side and they ended up picking me up in Selmar. And when I got in their car, they were like, it is a miracle, you reek of alcohol.

Yeah. And. Where were you? I was leaving an open mic called Echoes Under Sunset. In Selmar? No, it was in Echo Park. And I was- How the fuck did you get out to Selmar?

At this point, I was living with my aunt and she lives in like Westlake Village or Thousand Oaks. Yeah. And so I think I was either going to her place or I was going to Santa Monica and somehow ended up in Sylmar. I've pictured Sylmar's out in the middle of nowhere. It is. And when the highway patrol came, they're like, where are you going?

And I was like, Santa Monica? And they were like, you're in Sylmar. Yeah. I mean, it's like, there's no reason to go out there. Yeah. Unless you're going to Six Flags. Yeah. Which I wasn't at 3 in the morning.

So you were just wasted in driving. Yeah. Yeah. So they said you were weak? I don't even remember getting in the car. I think that night, I had nowhere to go. I was leaving this bar for a friend's birthday after the open mic.

And I tried going. The guy who ran the open mic lived in the venue. So I knocked. He answers the door. He's like, Ali, why are you here? It's 3 in the morning? And I was like, I don't know. That way, because that was that one like right under the bridge? Under the overpass, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was thinking maybe he could let me in, I could crash there. And he's just like confused why I'm there at three in the morning. And I was like, okay, no problem. And I think I just got in my car planning to sleep and I ended up driving.

Driving and sleeping. Yeah. Wow, that's scary, man. Yeah. Blackouts and you're in, it's like a classic blackout story. Mm-hmm. There's no reason to be in Selmar and it's far.

So far, I mean, I'm just like so grateful that no one was hurt. That would be horrible. What, so your sister says- So then my sisters are like, Ali, you have to take a break. Like you can't be drinking. And I'm like, I don't get it.

Like I'm just so, I'm like, what do you even mean I have to take it? Like that was one time I drank and drove. Like why do I need to stop drinking? I'll just stop driving. It seems like the obvious solution. That's a great alcoholic solution. Totally.

So now everyone's checking on me all the time. My mom, my dad, my sisters, are you okay? But you knew you had it in the family. I knew it was in the family. And so the moment that I remember I needed to stop was I just couldn't take a break. It was just like, I don't get how that's the obvious solution in this is taking a break.

And just the fact that I could not stop. And I had started going to meetings, cause I'm like, if I go to meetings, then my family will get off my case. Had you ever been with any of your other family? I went with my mom when I was younger. They'd have a little playroom for the kids. Yeah, okay.

And my mom, she was kind of on and off drinking, so I'm like, well meetings don't really work. Like sobriety's kind of, you know, maybe it works for a little bit. So you're going to meetings in Hollywood and shit? So I'm going to meetings in Hollywood for like three months. More park? No, I was going to the comedy store.

I couldn't escape. Yeah. And yeah, I was going for three months. I'd take a notebook. I'd write down everything that made me different from whoever was speaking. I'm like, well, they said they got sober at 4 a.m. 19. So. You're really trying to build a case.

Oh yeah. I'm taking notes. Yeah, yeah. I'm writing down why I'm not an alcoholic. Yeah. And I'm not drinking for about three months. I'm just staying sober. And you're doing open mics. And I'm doing down why I'm not an alcoholic. And I'm not drinking for about three months. I'm just staying sober. And you're doing open mics.

And I'm doing open mics. And I started drinking again. And yeah, when I was still drinking before the car accident, I had some money left from the child's star base. So I was like, I'm gonna go to London. I'm gonna do comedy in London. Cause I don't need a car there. Oh, I guess this must have been after the car accident then.

I was like, I don't need a car, they have a train. I can do comedy, I can drink. Cause I'll be old enough to drink there. Yeah, and you wouldn't be in cars. Yeah. Did you do that? So I'm getting ready to go. I bought a one way ticket.

I was like, I'm living there. Everyone's like, what are you gonna do? I'm like, I'll be a bart go. I bought a one way ticket. I was like, I'm living there. Everyone's like, what are you going to do? I'm like, I'll be a bartender. I'll do whatever. Yeah. And I'm with my friend, Alex, and we're, she's helping me pack. And she's like, so what do you say you're

going to do over there? And I was like, well, I'll be like a bartender or something, and then I'll get my visa. She's like, for being a bartender, you'll get a visa? I'm like, yeah, you have to get the job first and then you get the visa. She's like, no, that's not how it works. So it ended up being a bartender, you'll get a visa. I'm like, yeah, you have to get the job first and then you get the visa. She's like, no, that's not how it works.

So it ended up being a three week trip. So it ended up being a three week trip. I blow through all my money. Now I have, I'm coming home. Are you doing comedy? I do two shows while I'm there. One's like maybe an open mic. But this is just sort of like, this is your bottom.

This is my bottom. Oh yeah, cause I'm at a hostel, I'm hooking up with weird Australians. There's always Australians at a hostel. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm waking up blacked out, it's bad, it's bad. Oh my God. And I'm like, and then I go to Paris

and I'm hooking up with another Australian and I'm like, how did I even, I'm drinking Jägerbombs in Paris. I'm like, that's not what you do here. You drink wine, you eat a baguette. But you're not even getting out and around. No, I'm staying at the bar at the hostel with these strange people.

You're a real alcoholic. Yeah, and so I was like, you know, when in Rome, when I get home, I'm gonna do it differently. I don't wanna be an alcoholic. I'm not an alcoholic. I'll drink normally when I get home. I get home, I don't do that. I'm just back where I left off. And so I was like, okay, I have to. That's such a classic geographical.

Oh, totally. You're like, I can go live the life I want. Well, and then it was so funny because at that point, like once I get sober this time around and I start hearing things, I'm like, oh, I have so much in common. I was really trying to find things that didn't fit. You finally did it. Yeah. You joined the club. I joined the club.

And you just stayed sober since then? Yeah, it is weird. Did you go to meetings, do you still go? Yeah, not as much as I used to, but. Yeah. I'm trying to do more like, Al-Anon type of meetings. Oh, God, yeah. I found a good one if you wanna go.

Really? Yeah. It's really good. Yeah, I mean, I'm sober so long, but you know, the other issues persist. Oh yeah. And Al-Anon's helping you out? Yeah, definitely. Because you don't want to drink anymore.

No, and that's kind of the nice thing is like, okay, I've been able to manage being sober and I like it, but now there's other things that I could definitely work on. Fix the other shit. And then you just stuck with comedy, kept doing open mics. Were you working at the store?

Yeah, I worked at the store briefly. On the door? At the door. Yeah, I think I was only there for maybe like six or eight months or something. Yeah. Cause then it got to a point where, luckily because of people like Rogan and stuff,

I was able to like start going on the road. And so then it was like, well. To do 10, 15? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and I was like, I'm either gonna be a shitty coworker or I just won't work here anymore. Right.

So then I quit. And you did Comedy Pro. And I did Comedy Pro. How long you been doing it now? 10 years. Wild, right? I know. And you're headlining now? And I'm headlining.

How's that? How's the set? Strong? It's good, I like it. I wanna get rid of it though. Cause it's like the- It's all of it? My hours, yeah.

I mean, obviously there's like a lot of stuff that I've moved through.'s like a lot of stuff that I've moved through, but I'm kind of like, I wanna just get rid of this and start over. Are you gonna do a special, dump it? I don't know, I kind of want to. I just like, I wanna get rid of it. I wanna start from scratch.

Does Rogan have a production entity now? I don't know. I didn't move to Austin, so I'm a little bit out of the loop on all things. I know they're shooting specials there, but I mean, I don't know if he's, like it seems like you could probably shoot it. Yeah. You know?

Mm-hmm. I think he's got it all set up there. But I know Fitzsimmons shot his there, but I think they did it legit. Yeah, I bet. Yeah, well, it's amazing you haven't done it like a YouTube thing. I know, that's kind of the way things are going.

I might. Do you have a YouTube presence? I'm building it. I had a podcast a while ago that I stopped doing because I just was over it. And then now- What don't you do one now? Well, now I'm doing this-

Interview show? Yeah, Ali's interview show. Yeah, how's that going? I mean, I put out one episode, so What don't you do one now? Well, now I'm doing this- Interview show? Yeah, Ali's interview show. Yeah, how's that going? I mean, I put out one episode, so I don't know. But I'm excited about it. Like, it's more fun for me because I'm like, it's sillier, it's not really a podcast. Is your boyfriend producing it?

Yeah. And is that the place? He's got a studio now, right? No, we are recording, he does have a studio, but we're recording the interview show at Starday Vintage in Los Feliz. Yeah. And so it's all shot there.

People come in, would you interview a musician or something? I had on Dylan Francis, he's like a music producer and DJ. And then my next interview is gonna come out soon, and that's with St. Vincent. Pete Slauson Oh, I just saw her in Vancouver. Lauren I heard. Isn't she the best? Pete Totally. Lauren She's so good.

Pete I was so glad. I didn't know if I had her contact info. Lauren Yeah. Pete Because I'd interviewed her and I'd seen her around a bit. And I was like, I'm here, can I come? She got back immediately. It was great. Great show. Lauren Yeah, she's so talented. I got to open for her on the road. That must have been an okay audience. It was all right, yeah. Because that's not a great gig opening for music.

No, and I was like, I'm going to say yes to this because even if it's bad, it'll be so interesting. To be with her. To just be opening for a musician. Right. Even if- She's kind of special. But she is pretty special.

Her audience is kind of special. They're not pretty special. And her audience is kind of special. They're not like just, you know, yahoos. No, they were all like nice and smart and they let me talk about my butthole and they were pretty cool with that. That's the big test. That's like the witness test of nice and smart is if you can free the butthole.

Yeah. It was so fun. So what are you on the road a lot now? Yeah, I got some shows coming up. Yeah, just on the road. Maybe I could, you wanna go out with me again? Yeah, that was so fun. Your audiences are great.

Yeah. I had so much fun on the road with you. It was fun, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, cause like I really have to, it's odd because I still do it the old way where you read the car and you're just driving for hours like, who can be in the car for, that's the audition. I know your comedy, but like, is it going to be okay in

the car? I know, I was also nervous. You were? It was good. I was like, I think we'll get along pretty well. I feel like I'm pretty perceptive about how people are. Yeah, I'm not hard to get along with. I just don't want along pretty well. I feel like I'm pretty perceptive about how people are. Yeah, I'm not hard to get along with. I just don't wanna be uncomfortable. And we got a good trial. We got a trial run in when we were in San Francisco.

That's right. We did a test road trip. Oh, when I drove you back. Yeah. That was such a good idea, but then you were like, yeah, but the plane left anyways. Yeah. We had good Indian food though.

It was so good. Like I wanna go back to that place. I know, just that spot off the freeway. Yeah, that was fun. It was delicious. Like in Bakersfield. Yeah. Well, I found out like I told you, right? Yeah.

It's cause the truckers are all packed with Sandy. Yeah. Yeah, we gotta go back. That's right, we stayed at the same hotel. What the hell was I doing there? Oh, I did the Castro. Yeah. With, what's his name?

Taylor? Is it, no. Oh, Taylor Williamson. Taylor Williamson. He's an interesting guy. Yeah. All right, well I'll let you know the dates. Cause I gotta go on tour next year. Yeah, when do you finish filming?

When does that wrap up? That wraps up in the middle of September. And then I got a month off and then I'm shooting a movie here in October and November for five weeks. That's exciting. Yeah, so that's happening. But then I gotta shoot an HBO special next spring.

So I've moved all these dates. You're shooting a special? Yeah. Oh, that's exciting. In April, another HBO special. But now I don't even know how my hour is. It was pretty good when we were working together. Well, as soon as you're done filming,

you're gonna be nonstop doing comedy and you're gonna be so excited to be back. Like you'll be so fired up to be performing. It's gonna bring like a whole new energy. Yeah, I'm trying to work it out. Your last special was so good. Thanks. It was, you know in something you watch

or you listen to something good and you remember where you were? Oh really? Yeah. Yeah. Like certain podcast episodes, like I remember where I was driving when I listened to it. Yeah. And with your special, I was doing some college gig

and like, it was like Arkansas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I remember being at the hotel watching. That was beautiful. Yeah, it was so good. Oh, thank you. Well, now I gotta meet that standard. It'll be great.

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