WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1593 - Rosemarie DeWitt

Episode Date: November 21, 2024

Rosemarie DeWitt never really thought she would become an actor because she felt like no one was betting on her. In fact, later in life her father said, “I can’t believe that you’re successful.��� Marc finds out what drove Rosemarie away from those low expectations and into a prominent career with credits like Rachel Getting Married, Mad Men, Little Fires Everywhere and the new film Out of My Mind. They also talk about why horror movies, like Smile 2, are fun to make and how the two of them share a bond due to their deep connections with Lynn Shelton.Click here to submit a question for an upcoming Ask Marc Anything episode. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it again.

If you're new here, welcome. Does that still happen? I think it must. I'm still a discoverable person. You can still discover Marc Maron. I'm very, in a lot of ways, undiscovered. I'm learning that. Today on the show, Rosemary DeWitt is here. She's an actress. She's been in a lot of stuff. I'm sure you know her. She's been in things like

Rachel getting married, Mad Men, The Boys, La La Land. She's also married to that guy Ron Livingston, who can be very funny. And I mention that only because we talk about him a bit. She also worked with my late partner, Lynn Shelton, on the movies, Your Sister, Sister, and Touchy Feely, as well as the series, Little Fires Everywhere. So we begin this conversation with a bit of grief. And I tell you, man, it's interesting how that stuff works,

how you can draw right back in. It's just like a sort of ongoing stream of sadness and loss that exists. And I'm very kind of, I'm not baffled by it and I'm happy it's still in me, obviously, but the last week or two, I've told stories that involved her and it just comes right up. It comes right up from the guts through my heart,

into my throat and into my eyes and into my mind. But I don't have to stay there, but it comes. So there's a little of that so if I guess this is kind of a trigger warning if you don't want to experience maybe a hint of deep feelings of loss maybe check out now or maybe come on board join the human race you fuckers another thing I want to throw out there my old buddy Greg proofops has a new stand-up album out.

It's called Purple Shasta Raccoon, and it's out now from a special Things Records. Greg recorded this at the Punchline in San Francisco on New Year's Eve. Man, that's our old stomping grounds, me and Greggy's. You can get it at ASTRecords.com or stream it on your preferred music app. Greg Proops. He's the guy. What's the moment with Proops that stands out in the life lessons?

Oh yes, I remember. I've told the story before. I probably told it to him. One morning when we were doing a live 105 Alex Bennett broadcast from Cobb's Comedy Club down in the cannery, it was six in the morning. So why not smoke the pot that Greg has? Greg the Daily Smoker, this is before you could get it legally,

Greg who got the best weed down from Humboldt or wherever, hydroponic super stuff back in the day before there were strains and strands, there was only maybe three strains and strands, but he always had the devastating weed and he's like you want to smoke? And I'm like, yeah, of course. It's six in the morning. Let's smoke. And I smoked it and I got very high very quickly.

And Greg said to me, I invented you. And I don't know what that meant, but it did fuck up my performance that morning. I was just there in a, not vegetative state I'd say paralyzing insecure state of existential crisis on stage with an audience of about 20 to 25 at 630 in the morning at Cobb's Comedy Club. I invented you. Now it's a good thing to say to a guy that's really high and a little shaky. I'm back at Largo here in LA on Friday, December 13th. I believe that is going to be a music and comedy show. Then starting in January, I'm back on tour,

Sacramento, California. I'll be at the Crest Theater on Friday, January 10th, Napa, California at the Uptown Theater on Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Saturday, January 11th. I'm in Fort Collins, Colorado at Lincoln Center Performance Hall on Friday, January 17th. Boulder, Colorado at the Boulder Theater

on Saturday, January 18th. Santa Barbara, California at the Lobero Theater on Thursday, January 30th. San Luis Obispo, California at the Fremont Center on Friday, January 31st. And Monterey, California at the Golden State Theater on Saturday, February 1st. Go to wtfpod.com slash tour for all my dates

and links to tickets. A lot of other cities there, the South, the East, the Middle, I'm coming to a few places. You might have to travel a bit because I don't do, I stay to the big cities for the most part. Also, this is the final call for Ask Mark Anything questions. Go to the link in the episode description to submit a question for our full Marin bonus

episode that will air next week. And also, by the way, if you're keeping up, I think I bought the wrong vacuum. Yeah, the one I ended up with outside of the broken one and the broom style one out here now, the one that I did buy new, I don't think it was the right one. I think I wanted the animal too and I think I just got the animal, but I'm gonna have to accept that because I'm done with this. I'm done with the vacuum shit. And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you have to go back. Get on board. I've tried to talk about this on stage, but it doesn't seem to land as well as it did here in the garage

When I'm just talking to you anyway I've been wanting to I've been planning on I've been thinking about Just a massive closet purge you know, I've got a lot of fucking clothes from a lot of years and Most of the clothes that I had in my closet were clothes I actually got from the wardrobe department when I shot my TV show, Marin. And when the hell was that?

10 years ago? And I realized one morning, looking into that closet and seeing no less than 50 plaid Western shirts of one kind or another, that I'm just, I'm not, I'm out of the plaid Western shirts of one kind or another that I'm just I'm not I'm out of the plaid thing. I'm not a plaid guy anymore. I don't even know why I was for a brief period of time but but I was I was kind of a plaid guy and I'm done with it and I was like dude just get rid of all of that shit. So, I don't know if you've done that,

where you live a life and you hold on to things. I hold on to fucking everything, man. I mean, I've gotten better at throwing stuff out, especially stuff that just comes through, sent to me or whatever. I just move it along. But I just would look at all those shirts and I was so happy I had a house with a closet

that could hold all those shirts. And I just would see them and be like, yeah, look at all those shirts and I was so happy I had a house with a closet that could hold all those shirts and And and I just would see them be like yeah look at all my shirts, but that was the end of it I wasn't wearing any of the shirts I would try them on occasionally and think like yeah, I don't think I want to wear this shirt anymore and finally I'm like Fuck it fuck it. I Got a closet full of ghosts Just a bunch of ghosts go shoes go shirts ghost jackets That guy's not me anymore that guy was me a while back, but that's a ghost of me now

There all those shirts are dead. They represent nothing. Why are you holding on to him? So I made the pile man. I went through all of it my closets like half empty some jackets a lot of shirts I haven't done the shoes yet, but I'm getting I'm getting rid of all the what's the word I want the accoutrement of that guy who I was look I'm not saying I'm a different guy but you kind of are a different guy you get older and you're like let's simplify it why confuse with plaid maybe in the summertime maybe in the summertime? Maybe in the summertime you wear plaid short sleeve, but there's no reason to kind of

like get all that activity on your shirt. Go with the solids, man. Do like a flannel or a long sleeve solid shirt, maybe a t-shirt underneath that's also a single color. Occasionally I'll commit to a logo or two. I go through different periods, which is why we hang on to shit. It's a very, it's an odd thing. So I've made the piles and I've only gone back to the pile.

I went, I made the pile of shirts and then I went through it and I pulled two out of it. And then I went back and then I put those two back on the pile It's a con it's very hard to let go of who you were It's very hard to get older and see, you know All that stuff left over from a time when you were a younger person

And sometimes you think well, it's nostalgic. What does that even fucking mean anymore? Seriously, it's just gonna end up garbage Holy shit. Wait, do I get to the books. It's just, and I've talked about this before, but not about clothes. They just lose their meaning. They're literally just shells of something you were. So I've made the piles. And of course, when I'm going through it, I've been carrying around this giant weird carcass of a fucking jacket. I think it's horse hide. I think I bought it at Century 21 in New York City, like maybe in 2000, no earlier in the 90s. But it's just this massive piece of hide. And I didn't wear it that often because it's

a heavy fucking piece of business. But I put that on and I'm like, man, I'm keeping this. I'm keeping this. I swear to God, it's like armor. But I got big plans for it. I'm gonna shorten the sleeves and get new buttons and I'll wear it twice in the next five or six years. But I'm keeping that one. There are a couple of things I kept that are nostalgic.

Couple of shirts. The shirt that I bought in Ireland when me and Lynn went the shirt and vest that I bought from my from my special End-times fun that I've worn never again. I should just get rid of that. Honestly, I do have the shirt I wore on my first HBO half-hour Western shirt, but then it comes down to this like I'm I'm no big star, but I got a specific taste. And I don't even know if people want that shit anymore. I've got all these old Pendleton wool shirts. Some of them, the moths got to.

But I got quite a few of those. I think I'll give them to a friend. But there's part of me that thinks like, dude, why don't you just sell the whole Marin collection on eBay and give the proceedings to charity? Because then I have to figure out how to put them on eBay or wherever people sell that shit Buy the whole collection of Marc Marin's plaid self in one one box. I Don't fucking know if anybody wants that shit

But I do think I'll probably go with the goodwill. The stuff that I don't give to people that want it. Go with the goodwill angle because then it's like people can find it. And I just, I don't know why that's part of this ego extension of like, yeah, these are top notch plaid Western shirts. I mean, there's always a market

for these top notch plaid Western shirts. I mean there's there's always a market for these top-notch Plaid Western shirts. I'm out of my fucking mind man. I am too self-important sometimes it annoys me It annoys me Look, I've been telling you to use simply safe to keep your home secure for almost a decade now And I've been telling you how easy it is to set up and how they keep adding new features and how we always get stellar customer service when we need assistance. But if I haven't convinced you yet, maybe this will do the trick. SimpliSafe is giving WTF listeners exclusive early access to its Black Friday sale.

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She's in the new family film, Out of My Mind, which premieres tomorrow, November 22nd on Disney+. She's also in Smile 2, which is still in theaters and on digital on-demand platforms. And again, we talk about her husband, Ron Livingston, a lot, and I just call him Ron. So now you know, it's Ron Livingston from Office Space. And also, he did one of the best jobs playing an agent

in adaptation, Spike Jonze adaptation, just the best. But Rosemary's amazing, and this is her and I, yeah, I think really chatting for the first time. Based on Charles Yu's award-winning book, Interior Chinatown follows the story of Willis Wu, a background character trapped in a police procedural who dreams about a world beyond Chinatown. When he inadvertently becomes a witness to a crime, Willis begins to unravel a criminal web, his family's buried history, and what it feels like to be in the spotlight.

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It's good to see you. Yeah. It's, I don't want to get too sad. I know. Let's not get too sad too quick. I feel sad. Why, because of me and because what hangs over us between us? Yeah, yeah.

Yes, but you know what? On that note, on the Lynn Shelton note, which we can talk about, I have it in my mind to, you know, give you this jacket if it fits you. Oh stop. Mark. No you're gonna cry now? You're gonna make me cry like 10 seconds in? Well, I don't know.

I have stuff, I have some stuff and I have stuff that I have to look at. Yeah. But like this jacket is, it's very specific. You might recognize it. But I just have it and I think you should have it if it fits you. I'll wear it.

Okay, let's see if it fits after. Okay, let's see. I hope so. Let's see, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I can't remember when we met actually. Where was it for the first time or the only time maybe? Do you remember? Mm-mm.

Did we talk after Lynn passed away? I think we shared some Zoom memorial. That was it? Yeah, and then, yeah, I more remember, I did little fires everywhere with her when she started telling folks that you guys were leaving. So I just remember her kind of pulling me into her, you know, the sad kind of production office,

those temporary ones and shutting the door or like locking it and be like, I have to tell you something. Oh really? Yeah. It was an exciting thing? It was exciting. Yeah, I think that she loved you very much.

I loved her so, it's funny, I was on the way over here, of course I was thinking about her. And I was thinking about the way we know some people and some people we just know their souls. Right. Like it's not like you spend Thanksgiving together or you take a, just your soul knows their soul and that's just how I felt about her

and that's so few people in the world. Yeah. Well, I mean, I think that in our business too, you know, you don't always get an opportunity to stay close with people, but the work is so intense. Yeah. But she was like, you know, I don't know. It was so much to get through and it never goes away.

And they're kind of doing, some guy's doing a doc about me and he's like asking for all this stuff of us, the little things I have, and then just having to see her. I don't know where you go with a conversation like this aside from we're gonna be like, I don't know.

You know. But I think that like, it seems that the work you did with her, with the first one was your sister's sister. And I think you were kind of playing the her part. Well, it's funny you said that cause I remember saying to her after that, I wanna play you in a movie.

And then she wrote Touchy Feely. And then I thought I was playing her then. But in that one, I think I kind of almost was more because she was so protective of it. We kind of didn't know what movie we were making. Like Ron and I did a scene together, my husband, Ron Livingston. And your sister's sister.

In the second one, Touchy Feely. And I remember us both going like, I don't know what this scene's about. And Ron's like, I don't know what this scene's about. And Ron's like, I don't really, and he's like, and I don't think Lynn wants to tell us. And we're like, great. But I loved her so much and I trusted her so deeply and I would feel like I would do some of my best work

always in her presence and in her loving care that I didn't care. Yeah. Like your sister, sister, I remember we had that big sort of big three-way fight and we only had two cameras and we did Mark and Emily's coverage first. And I was like, I don't know what's gonna happen. You guys just start yelling at me because I just trusted Lynn.

Well, that was the way she worked, right? It was like improv, like guided improv. Yeah. But also you knew that someone was gonna make you look good. You know what I mean? It wasn't like her ego was gonna come out later and then do something weird with the movie that no one intended. No, I mean, she so deeply cared about actors. It was her whole thing.

She'd just sit there and, I don't know what you're talking about. I'm sorry. No, no, I did it. I did it. I'm sorry. No, no, I did it. I did it. But, like, you know, for her, it just seemed like the actors

and whatever happened between the actors was paramount. There wasn't, you know, it wasn't about, like, the set, really. It was really about, like, and she just knew when you hit that place. Yeah. And it was kind of always a relatively quiet place and an under-acted place. And you didn't like, because we were together, but like when she'd give me direction,

because we were together, I'd be like, no, fuck that. No. And like I'd turn into a child. Yeah. And then eventually I'd kind of relent and then do it the way she wanted. She'd go, like, it's better, right? I'm like, no!

You know, I don't know. It's also tragic. I don't, we don't need to keep talking about death. I mean, well, we're also at that age now where you go through and you're like, oh, wow, that person's, I ran into, I was in New York last week and I ran into an actor that I kind of came up with like 20 years ago.

And we were naming people and we're like, wow, all those people are gone, but we're not old. We're just, that's just. It just starts and it kind of comes in waves. I have big theories about it. Like there's these chunks of time where if you live through them, you're good. But then there's these other chunks of time where it seems like people go in these few

years and then if you can get past those, you're good. Yeah, well, and then you're the only one. I know. Like my dad died last year at 90 and he was like, I'm it, I'm the only one left. He's like, there's no one even to... Well, how'd he go? I mean, was he all there? He was.

Well, that's great. Oh no, it was great. And he was like, he went... He's 90. Yeah, was he all there? He was. Well, that's great. Oh no, it was great. And he was like, he went. He's 90. Yeah, and he was healthy until the end. He was a, what do you call it? A really stubborn motherfucker. So he wouldn't get the walk.

He went out in a blaze of glory with all the broken bones that one can have at that age. He wouldn't do the walking. But he ran that body right into the ground. Yeah, tough guy? Tough, Marine Corps, 30 years. Yeah, tough, tough. Really? Yeah.

Oh my God, you grew up with a Marine? Yeah, like the great Santini. No, not that bad. No, I mean, it depends. I was his ninth child, so I don't- Nine children! I mean, not with my mom. He had eight with his first wife, Dorothy, and then-

Eight? Eight, Catholic, you know, Irish. He was Irish Catholic. And then me, so I think maybe they had more of that guy. And then I had a subtler guy. Yeah, he was a little tired. A little, not that. How many siblings do you have with him?

It was just me with him and my mom, and then I had eight half brothers and sisters. So you're like a vacation. Yeah, I don't know what, yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And do you have a relationship with all those other ones? Yeah, I mean, to different degrees.

Yeah. You know, I remember a million years, like one of the first movies I ever did was Rachel Getting Married, and it was all about family. It's a good movie. And I started, I did press, kind of for the first time. And I remember I just couldn't answer any questions about family because I could never figure my own family out. You know, it was like about a sibling relationship and I just gave them as neutral, boring answers because I'm like, I can't speak

to this because I don't understand. It's complicated. How old were you then? Oh, I don't know, 30s. But so how Catholic did you grow up? Catholic. And your mom is not Irish? Yeah, no, she is too. Full Irish. Yeah, so I remember like even before she passed away, I was young, she wanted to see a priest.

And I was thinking, why? Like what have you ever done? She wanted to make confession. I mean, before she died. And I was like, you wanted to see a priest. And I was thinking, why? Like, what have you ever done? She wanted to make confession. I mean, before she died. And I was like, you don't leave the house. What do you have to confess? You know, but they were Catholic. So what do they have to confess? I mean, a laundry, I don't know.

I shouldn't bash anything, but I just feel, I remember my husband's mom is a Lutheran. She's retired now, pastor. That's a different approach. Totally, and he didn't understand that my concept of religion was like, anything you do is bad, and even if you go to confession,

you still can't be forgiven. Yeah. Like you're just screwed, basically. That's the trick. Yeah. So you're just, you're born flawed and you stay flawed. Forever. Yeah, I had a therapist who one time said to me,

gosh, I wish you were Jewish. Our guilt is so much better than yours. It is because we just have to live with it. We can't dump it on Jesus. You just have to integrate it into your personality as a constant reality check. Ongoing shame about everything. No, I have that too.

Are you still religious? No, I just have ongoing shame about everything. You do? I I have that too. Yeah. Are you still religious? No, I just have ongoing shame about everything. You do? I mean, I'm working on it. I think it's alleviating as I get older. What is it about that though? Because like I have it too, and I'm not saying I'm a saint, but there is a point where you're

like, why do I keep doing this to myself? And then some part of you is like, well, you must, this must be your comfort zone. Yeah. Yeah. And it's so fucked up, isn't it? I know. Well, I guess we decided at an early point in life what level of a good person we have to be, and then we just fail miserably, even if you hit all the boxes and hit all the marks. It's just never good enough.

But I mean, that's kind of what I like about it. But that's the voice you put in your head, right? Yeah. But I guess it comes with Catholicism. But for me, I didn't have that, but I've got a guy in my head that's kind of what I like about it. The voice you put in your head, right? But I guess it comes with Catholicism. But for me, I didn't have that. But I've got a guy in my head that's sort of like, eh, not quite. Yeah, they say, like, try to make friends with that guy.

And they'd be like, hey, I'm going to drive the car now, guy. You stay in the back seat. Right. But then it's an ongoing discussion. I know, with him. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, why do you get so much air time?

We need to take that piece of the mic away from him or or just talk to more other people Yeah, get out of yourself. Yeah, but wait, so is it true? Like, you know, I'm not a big research guy But you're you're the granddaughter of that boxer. Yeah, that was my mom's dad Yeah, was his name Braddock James James, yeah, James J. Braddock. And that's what they made the movie of? Yeah. Cinderella's... Cinderella Man, yeah.

That's what they called him. That was his kind of moniker because he was a washed up fighter at like 30. And then he was like a longshoreman and he was... He only... He had a bunch... He had three kids and then he just started taking fights during the Great Depression to pay the bills. It wasn't about like his like unlived life. It was just they needed to put food on the table.

And he just started winning because he was so hungry and he became the champ. But did you know this all growing up? Yeah. You did? No, I just found out. But because you have a part in the movie a bit, and so was he alive when the movie came out?

No, he died when I was four years old. Do you remember him? Yeah, we lived with him, and I remember hiding behind the chair. When I was little, we lived with him for a little bit. We smoked a pipe. I have very specific memories, and there's some family lore and stories that you hear over in your head.

And then when I was in my early 20s, different directors were attached. They were gonna make a movie about him. And I was like a stalker. I was like, I have to be in this movie. And by then, my mom wasn't alive. Whose dad was he? My mom's.

And my dad was, he fought in the Golden Gloves. So he was a- He's a boxer too? Yeah, he was small, a Glove. So he like, he was a- He's a boxer too? Yeah, he was like small, a smaller guy, but he like looked up. He kind of bragged on my grandpa so much, but my mom was so humble about it. So it was no big deal.

Yeah, yeah, right. But it was to your dad. Oh, to my dad it was. He probably knew that when he married her, because he knew the old man, right? Oh yeah, he grew up with her. Yeah, they grew up in the same town. Your grandfather was in his life. So one of his yeah, he grew up with her, yeah. They grew up in the same town. Your grandfather was in his life.

So one of his heroes, he's marrying one of his heroes. And then of course he had all the old pictures and the, you know, like too much. Like it was so embarrassing to my mom, the way he was trying to telegraph it. Did she ever think like, is this the reason why you married me? I don't think she thought that,

but I just think she didn't need anyone to, you know, not that she wasn't proud of him, but it wasn't her. It's just her dad, you know. So when you're growing up, I mean, all these other siblings, are they just in another place? Yeah, I think sometimes about like the way we parent now

and, you know, like where we help our kids with their feelings and we talk to them about everything. I remember meeting, like I knew my three oldest siblings from when I was born, but the younger five, I didn't meet until I was 10 years old. But nobody explained it to me. It was just like, we're driving up to Maine, we're gonna spend a weekend,

these are your brothers and sisters. And I remember them all kind of being like, hey, punk, you know, like none of them were that excited to meet me, I mean, they're lovely now, and we all love each other, but you know, nobody, it was like, I remember watching Mad Men years ago, and I thought the show was so perfect, except when they sat their kids down

and explained that they were getting divorced. I was like, nobody did that. No one did that. No, it was just throw them to the wolves, they'll figure it out. Yeah. We don't. Really?

Yeah. But your parents didn't get divorced, right? No, but I was just saying, the parents just didn't do a lot of life coaching, I didn't think, in the 70s, the 80s. Well, now there's like a, well, you have kids, right? Yeah, too. And how's that going?

It's great, I love it. Yeah? Yeah. How old are they? Almost nine and 11. So, as a parenting style, I mean, how do you kind of delegate, how do you figure out what your boundaries are? Did you read books?

I read books. I probably talk too much. I literally make, you know, talk, speaking of that inner critic voice, I had like a conversation with her earlier today. About? Because they, I was in New York last week and I did Some like late night TV stuff and they wanted to see it Did you talk about us like they always want to have a they want to have like a really call like an internet footprint? Yeah, like they're mad that no social media

Yeah, like they just think it's so painful that I don't like it. Yeah that they have this particular mom So I was like well I talked about you guys on the TV Do you want to see it and then I showed it to them and then like that critic lady? I was talking talking over my head. I'm like, well, I talked about you guys on the TV, do you wanna see it? And then I showed it to them. And then like that critic lady, I was talking, talking over my head, I'm like, oh, I should probably go home tonight and be like, how did you feel to see yourself on TV last night? Was it okay? Do I?

No, you had pictures on TV? Yeah, like a picture of them in a Hollywood pasta. Who was it with Stalin? No, it was with Seth Meyers. Oh, that's good. It was fun. Yeah, he's a sweet guy. Sweet.

Yeah, I think he does a good job. Really good. Did you have that's good. It was fun. Yeah, he's a sweet guy. Sweet. Yeah, I think he does a good job. Mm-hmm, really good. Did you have some funny stories? I guess so. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how funny they are. Have you done their shows before?

I've done them before. Yeah, and then there's always that pressure. I guess not for you, because you just get on here and talk every day. Just talk. No, there's always pressure, because you got to do do the whole like, segment producer, what do you got? Yeah. Are there stories you like to tell? And I'm all, yeah, it's like 48 hours before,

I'm like, shoot, I should have been paying attention to my life, what are my stories, what's funny? And then you got to, then Seth will step in and save you. Yeah, I mean, my kids are, when you said, you started with Howard, they're so funny to me that every day is a story, you know what I mean? Of course, yeah. So it's like, I just go, what was Saturday?

Oh, okay, I got one. You know, like that. So it was all about the kids. It's always all about the kids. But it's also about, like, what are these, you did a Disney Plus movie? Oh, yeah. That sounds heavy.

It's so good, Mark. I love it so much. You're working with an actual special needs kid who's non-verbal. She's verbal. Phoebe's, yeah, I love it so much. You're working with an actual special needs kid who's non-verbal. She's verbal, Phoebe. Yeah, she's a brilliant girl from England and she's really funny. In the movie though, she plays non-verbal

and she really does have cerebral palsy. So she's so vulnerable in the movie to just allow us to witness life. you know, like she has to, we have to carry her in certain ways, you know. And she just gives a really, it's one of those ones, especially because she really is the age of the kids who are mean to you in school. Like you want the movie, you just want everyone to see it

because you just want everybody to go. Feel. Yeah, feel like this is her and go, she's so cool. You should be so lucky to know her and know her world. Aren't, it's so amazing how reliably horrible people are. Yeah, yeah. You know, I just, I can't, I never understand it. That the instinct, even as a child is to, you know,

kind of bully the less, the weaker people, the vulnerable. The vulnerable person. Yeah, the vulnerable, yeah. Yeah, my oldest one is in sixth grade, starting those middle school years, and she's like, what's happening to everybody? She can see that everybody's losing their mind.

It's puberty, it's like, but it's also. I automatically think, really, politics is already a thing? No, it's not that, but it's the meanness thing. Well, meanness has been sort of- Like it just becomes a thing. Justified, yeah. Yeah, where they really just start trying on things. So that might have something to do with it, the puberty.

Yeah, I guess, and like kind of moving for power, vying for power by being mean, and making people look dumb, or- Yeah, yeah, yeah. So kids that you've known your whole life that are so kind, it just, like, hijacks them. So when you're, as an actor in a movie like this and as a mother, so this, I imagine that the emotions are sort of all in place already to be open, but like the experience of what it requires to be, have that kind of situation, you've got to be living it when you're doing it.

Yeah. Like this one was easy because it was like, both our girls are adopted. Gracie's black, Zaz's Latina. And you just, I kind of know already what it's like to have to advocate for them. Like when you're an adoptive family and visually so, like when people can see it coming, they feel entitled to like ask questions. Yeah, yeah.

When did you get them? You know, and I'm like, well, they're standing here. They're human beings. We're not gonna, let's be normal human beings and talk. You know, and they're great. Like my older one will be like, can you mind your business? You know, like she's really tough.

So I already kind of went in there knowing like, oh, this is a part I want to explore about how do we, I almost feel like my kids advocate for themselves better than I actually can. Right, yeah, yeah. But I was interested in that part of the role of how a mom, and she messes up, like in the movie she messes up and I mess up,

and you know, I think she likes dad better than me, you know, in the movie. Does that happen in real life? Yeah, sometimes. Right now, they're really into me. I like it, but I know teenagers, they're going to be all about him. Yeah. Oh, you think so? I mean, as far as acting, they think he's so much, he is cooler. But my little one will be like,

don't you feel bad people stop and ask dad for autographs and nobody asks you? I'm like, I don't feel bad. She's like, yes, you do What's he getting the big autograph attention for? Office space. Oh Yeah, the classic. Band of brothers. Yeah, he's got some good. He's got some doozies in there honestly, I think like prime Ron is adaptation.

He's so good in that. That's fucking crazy. It's crazy and it's also crazy because that's like the least one like him. He's not like that at all. That's why it's such a good performance. It's a nice little part but like you know when you're in show business and you kind of wonder like what exactly is wrong with fucking agents? Because part of them, they're all missing the same piece. And you can speak to them as humans and stuff. But there is something, some component missing.

And he just fucking nailed it. It's like, well, just write it. I'm sorry. Is it okay being with an actor? It is. Ron's not very actor-ish. But you don't drive each other crazy? No, not at all. I mean, I think I drive him a little crazy.

But that has nothing to do with being an actor? No. If anything, he's like a little Mr. McGoo-ish. Really? That's what drives me crazy. He has this moment every day where he sits on the end of our bed with his socks in his hand and stares at them for about seven minutes. And I'm always like, what is that?

He's meditating. I don't know. It's a sock meditation. You ever heard of that? Yeah, but then when I say like, what are you thinking about right now? And it is some, it's usually something like that happened in history in like 1712 or the cooling and heating system in our house. Like he like, you know, he reads Scientific American for fun, like he's not into actor-y things, you know.

I don't know, it sounds a little like I've been told recently that I have ADHD. I have it, Ron has it. That's what I mean. My oldest kid has it and my youngest doesn't and it's like, she's so miserable with all of us. How do you know you have it? I mean, cause somebody told me, like a doctor told me.

I'm just taking it by, you know, listeners. Yeah. And just people I know, I've not gone to a doctor for the diagnosis. Well, I could tell, because you and I, like, I want to cut you off, you want to cut me off. Like, we probably just want to just keep jumping in. Is that ADHD?

Yeah, I think it's like an impulse. Really? It's not neediness or? I don't think that's something else. Or desire to make it about me. Is that all part of the disease? No, that might be narcissism. No, no, no, that might be narcissism.

No, no, no, no, no, I like ADHD better. Let's go with ADHD. I don't need to do the narcissism thing. No, but you said make it all about me. Like, isn't that the classic? I got to play a narcissist in a movie. Is that what I just read today? That's a really good premise.

Yeah, I got to be that guy. Yeah, it's going to be kind of interesting. Very nervous. You are? interesting. Yeah, very nervous you are yes Okay, do you get nervous? I? Want to get nervous, but you don't anymore. No, I mean I do sometimes Let yeah, I mean sometimes but not enough like I want like I want that to be harder and scarier I was really nervous doing your sister sister like those things made me nervous. Those are the improv Yeah, the improv and that movie I jumped in last minute

for somebody who fell out and I had to like, you know, say hi Mark Duplass and then we're doing like a sex scene and then this scene and the break, you know, like it was, I like where, I like the fear. So yeah, the fact that you're nervous gets me excited. That makes me think you're going to transform your life. Really? Uh-huh.

I hope so. Yeah. Like I go through a lot of stuff in my head about roles. I go through a lot of like, who turned this down to where- Oh, you care? That I got it. Yeah, who cares? No, I don't really care.

Yeah. But like my go-to is like, there's like so many other guys who can do this. I mean, what are- That sounds really helpful to your process. Hey, hey, we all have our own process. I like to erase myself entirely through painful insecurity so I can build up from there. Yeah, you do a whole recasting of the role and then compare, despair, and then you finally

get there. Well, I mean, but I mean, you act constantly. I don't act constantly. Okay. And so the life of an actor is not, I never feel like it's quite my life. Even though I've done a lot of it at this point, I still feel like the other thing, this, my comedy, you know, that's who I am.

I always, I wanna do the acting and I've done a lot of it at this point, but it still feels like, well, I'm just trying it out. You just did a series in Vancouver too. I did. Yeah, cause I ran into John Hamburg, you know, one of your directors. Yeah, cause you're up there, well, I'm just trying it out. You just did a series in Vancouver too. I did. Yeah, because I ran into John Hamburg, one of your directors. Yeah, because you were up there,

I think I texted you, or somebody did. I knew you were up there. I didn't get it, I was thinking, oh maybe we could- We could have dinner or something. But I was too busy sitting alone, wondering what- You were. Yeah.

I was busy sitting alone in a high rise in Vancouver, watching old movies, wondering why I was up there. Well, at least you were watching old movies. I'll tell you something. The one thing that kept me from actually wanting to be an actor was trailer time. I cannot deal with trailer time. And it just drove me crazy. Because I can't seem to do anything productive in a trailer.

And at some point I find myself going like, what could they be doing? How long does it take? I mean, Jesus. And in this last one, they had a Samsung television in the trailer and I hooked it up to my Netflix and my Prime and everything. And I'm like, I'm watching The Godfather. I'm watching Tarantino movies. I'm like, this is fine.

COLLEEN O'BRIEN Well, that's great. But that also tells me you're not that nervous. PAUL SILVER Well, not for that. I mean, it's a supporting role. It's a cakewalk. Okay, but I'm just mean because like I still, I guess I still use my trailer time to do like work. Why do the work?

I make sure I know the lines and stuff. Okay. But also when depending on what the scene is, you kind of know like, I got, you know, it's one exchange. I know what's going to happen. Okay. Yeah. And you know, and I'm'm gonna wait three hours. Yeah.

And then I'm gonna go out there and try to enjoy what being an actor is like. Well, and you also do a lot of comedy. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I do a lot of like, and now I'm the mother of this murder child. You know what I mean? So I'm in my trailer feeling, you know, various degrees of despair. Well, I'm hired to do various degrees of cranky, big-hearted dudes. Sure. Yeah. So, like...

You're like, I got that. I got that in spades. Yeah, kind of. But the narcissism thing is weird, because to play a real self-centered person, but one without shame, that's tricky. Well, you have a great role model. Who's that, my dad? No. I mean, just put on the news.

I mean... I can't be that guy. But yeah. No, but I'm just saying, if you want to just make a list, you could just watch on the news. I mean... I can't be that guy. But yeah. No, but I'm just saying if you want to just make a list, you could just watch all the moves play out. But I wouldn't call him a good-hearted person. Oh, no. This guy's a good-hearted person.

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. He's just a little self-absorbed. He's an actor. So he's the actor version. Yeah, I got you. And, you know, they pretend to be good-hearted until they really have to be. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. So when did you start doing the acting? I mean, I guess I always did it. I came, we talked about more working class background. Like nobody went into the arts. So I- I've heard this a lot lately.

Really? Yeah, so I didn't think it was something I could ever pursue. I went to college to try to not do it. But I was telling a friend recently, we were talking about something, and I was like, yeah, you know, in kindergarten, I wanted to be a ballerina, and I got the seal.

And then in first grade, I wanted to be Gretel and Hansel and Gretel, but I was the tree. And she's like, you always wanted to be an actor. Most people couldn't tell you what roles they didn't get in kindergarten. So I guess I always wanted to do it. But like, how do you like, and this is like, so you're in, where'd you grow up?

New Jersey. New Jersey? Yeah. Which part? Morristown, near Morristown, Central New Orleans. I'm genetically Jersey. You are, where? See, I feel genetically New York, but tell me more.

No, I'm genetically Jersey. My dad's from Jersey City. Okay. My mother's from Pompton Lakes. Okay. You know where Pompton Lakes is? Uh-huh. You do?

Yeah. I was excited when people know where Pompton Lakes is. And my dad's from Jersey City. My mom and my dad were both born in Jersey City. They were probably born at the same hospital that my dad was. Probably. Margaret Hague Maternity Hospital. Yep, yep, yep, yep. There you go, we're connected.

We are. Jersey. Do you like Jersey? Yeah, I like, it's beautiful. I mean, parts of it are really beautiful. Totally, they really are. But I was born in Queens, so I feel Gina, and then I live there. It's beautiful. I mean, parts of it are really beautiful. Totally. They really are. But I was born in Queens, so I feel, and then I lived there.

You were born in Queens. I was born in Queens, and then I went to college in New York and then went there at 21 to become an actress. So I feel genetically linked to New York in a way. Right, but Queens is more Jersey. It's a Jersey-er part of New York. Yeah, I guess it is. It's very Jersey.

Queens. Was it just a full Irish working class neighborhood? I don't know what it was. Yeah, I guess for a minute. I guess, yeah, I remember my cousin got married and they were, I wish I could remember, it was at Queens Boulevard or something. There's a whole strip of Irish bars.

That's where everybody met and got married. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so you grow up in Jersey and you wanna be an actor. Now, given, yeah. So, okay, so you grew up in Jersey. Yeah. And you wanna be an actor. Now, given that you're the station of life you were in where your parents were like, what are you fucking talking about?

No, it was kind of good in that no one cared about me that much, you know? Like my dad said to me a couple years ago, he's like, I can't believe that you're successful. And I'm like, what, what do you mean? You can't believe it. And he's like, I don't know, I just thought, I was like, what, what do you mean? You can't believe it. And he's like, I don't know, I just thought, I was like, why, what did you think it would be?

He's like, I don't know, I just thought you'd get married, get pregnant, get married to some guy on the block. Yeah, oh wow. Oh, okay, thanks. Yeah, yeah, thanks for the- So no, they weren't discouraging at all. I think they were like, cool, but I don't think they thought, but I don't even think- That you would pull it off?

But I don't even think they cared if I went to college. You know what I mean? Like I just, nobody was betting on me to do much. That's one of the greatest weird compliments I've ever heard. I just didn't think he'd be like, in light of being successful, he was like, yeah, I don't know that I thought you would ever make it. Well, and he was really proud, but it was just, I don't know.

It's good that he could see it, because no matter how successful I got, you know, if you're not on a TV show or something, like my dad would be like, why don't you talk to, you know, Jerry Seinfeld? He probably knows what to do. Yeah. That's a lot of parents. What do you mean?

Just try... Yeah. My father-in-law is such a good guy, and he'll say things to me like, you know what Tiger Woods problem is? And I'm like, tell me. You know what I mean? Because he's really, he's always looking things to me like, you know what Tiger Woods problem is? And I'm like, tell me. You know what I mean? Because he's really, he's always looking for the loophole, you know. Is he a golfer?

He is a golfer. Do you play golf? No, I used to play with my dad. He's a big golfer? He was, no, we just kind of did it recreationally after my mom, like a bonding thing after my mom died. Go out with the fellas, ride around? Well, he said I played like an 80 year old golfer.

I just hit it like straight down the fairway, but like 100 yards. Yeah. You know, every time. But now I don't care about golf. Because this whole show I do is a golf show and I don't give a shit. Oh, yeah.

And I was like, I don't know if you want me. I'm not gonna be able to play. He's like, yeah, well, you don't have to. You're like a retired caddy. I'm like, all right. Okay. I can figure that out. And then you think a little business to do for yourself when you're doing nothing.

That's a funny role, a caddy, right? Yeah, it's kind of a caddy. Yeah, I was with Owen Wilson. It was pretty funny. Yeah. But I remember I get so thrilled when I make acting choices, you know, because there's a lot of times where I'm just standing watching the golfers because we're working with this kid who, you know, Owen is taken under his wing as

an ex-pro. So, like, when I'm just standing there, I'm kind of looking at the, you know, checking out the fairway and looking at the wind, you know. And I was like, I'm doing it. How do you see the wind? I'm an amazing caddy. Okay, yeah. So I can see the wind.

Wow. All right, so what do you do? You go to New York to do the acting? Go to New York. I study. With who? Like what? Like, what's the acting? Go to New York. I study. With who? Like what?

Like what's the scene? What year? The scene, well I went to college and I was like a creative studies major. Where? Which was like Hofstra. Okay. Make your own Sunday kind of major.

Yeah. Classes on Beckett and Jack Kerouac. Cobble something together. Yeah. Yeah. And then New York City, I studied with some really, really good theater teachers. Yeah.

You know, and then I did theater. I thought that was gonna be my life. Which ones? Ron Van Loo. Yeah. Earl Gister, Lloyd Richards. Like really, like old school. Yeah.

This is like the 90s. Glad to see you study. Doing that a lot. Glad to see you study. Meisner. No, Meisner. I never did Meisner. And then I was, do you know, doing off, off, off, off,

off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, off, yeah, theater, theater, theater. Like crazy plays? Yeah, some crazy plays. Naked? Naked ones. Yeah, I'm glad you asked. That's so weird. Nobody's ever said that.

Nobody's ever said, oh, you came from the theater naked. You were getting naked. Tell us about the one naked one. Everyone who does off, off, off, off Broadway is like, there's a naked one in there. Yeah, it was off Broadway, the naked one. So it was off, off, off, off Broadway is like, there's a naked one in there. Yeah, it was off Broadway than my naked one. So, it was kind of close to Broadway. But that must be a pretty good baptism into something, a type of vulnerability that you might not want to do, but you do.

Yeah, it is. It's like a rite of passage, I feel like. Yeah, to be naked on stage in a bad play. It wasn't a bad play. Oh, that's good. It was Danny and the Deep Blue Sea. It was a good play. I think it was in probably okay production. Does it always call for nudity or was it just a weird director? No, it did.

Okay, good. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of in the play. But I know what you mean. No, there were other ones. I remember one time I had an agent say to me that the cast and director says, she has to be comfortable doing anything naked. Otherwise you shouldn't come in on this.

And I was like, well, I'm not comfortable doing anything. Like, I don't know what that means. So I mean, there's certainly a lot of that when you're an actress in your 20s. And luckily, no one's asking anymore. Yeah. Hey. Not unless you're Demi Moore.

My god. Did you see that movie? I haven't seen it. I fucking saw it, yeah. Was it great? It's great. Wow. It's fucking insane. I mean, seen it. I fucking saw it, yeah. Was it great? It's great. Wow.

It's fucking insane. I mean, I'm not really a horror guy, but I'm enough of a Cronenberg guy to kind of get where she's coming from, the director. And once you buy into the conceit, which you do pretty quickly because it's required of you, it's pretty, it's like a satire. I mean, it's about something. Yeah. You know, it's about aging, it's about women, it's about how women are seen, how they see themselves, and what they'll do in the name of vanity. And it's like crazy.

It's crazy. Oh, I'm gonna see it. Because you watch it for two hours and you look, there's still like 25 minutes left, and you're like, what could they fucking even do now? And then that third act happens, and you're like, oh my God. Did it make you sad?

I think what happens with that, the sadness is, like my girlfriend is a horror person. Okay. So she knows horror, it's her thing. Okay. And so when the movie kind of finishes up where it finishes, you know, it's kind of mind-blowing. But I think it's definitely sad, but the nature of monsters is kind of sad.

Yeah. You know, in the classic sense. Yeah, sure. You know what I mean? Yeah, I do. And so you get that, but you also get this level of empathy for the experience of women. Well, that's what I meant, because when you said the sentence, like, that women would do anything, you know, to fight aging, I was like, oh, that hurts so much. Yeah.

You know? Yeah. Like, why can't we just get old together? You can, can't you? Yeah, we can, but I just mean like our culture, like, why can't we all just like... It's a culture too, but like, is it all cultural? I mean... I think like I'm pretty vain, but I'm not going to dye my hair that I know of. Right.

And like I look at myself, like when I look at my mirror, I feel fine, but then I see a picture of me, I'm like, oh, fuck, it's happening. Yeah. And I feel like on some level, should I be doing something other than just exercising and everything else? And I don't. I'm not going to get any, you know, I'm relatively comfortable. Yeah. But I'm a guy. I get it.

Yeah. Are you freaking out? I'm not freaking out, but I hate that I even think about it. I mean, I don't mind if I think about it like it's related to mortality, but I don't enjoy thinking about it when I feel like it's connected to my livelihood or my, like how much I'll be able to express myself going forward.

But it seems like you do pretty well. I think I do pretty well. You know what I mean? It's like, you know, you're cast in things that are appropriate for you, and you seem to, like, there seems to be plenty of them in a way. Yeah, no, I'm happy.

I just, you know what I mean? There's a, there's a, I think a pressure, and, and then you look around, and if everybody's gonna look a different age, then, you know, I guess I can start playing grandmas. I feel like I did already play the grandma. How was that? It's fine.

I mean, it's like one of those ones where you had the kid at 14. Oh, right, right, yeah. Wasn't a good situation, but now you're good. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not freaking out about it, but there does come to a point where you're like, all right, we're closing in.

The final quarter somehow. Well, I think it's meant to prepare you. Yeah. You know? Well, like you go to Canada and places, like even like I was just in New Mexico, a lot of gray hair. Yeah, sure.

A lot of women with gray hair. And it's like, that's great. Yeah. Why doesn't everybody do that? But out here, you're like, what's happened to her? She's really slipped off. You know? The slippery slope. You see a woman just walking down the street with gray hair, like, wow's happened to her? She's really slipped off. The slippery slope.

You see a woman just walking down the street with gray hair, like, wow, I hope she's okay. She wants to have a condition or can't afford the hairdresser. Yeah, cause it's unheard of. So New York, when did you get your first break? I don't know, break, break, break, break. You're doing plays?

Did you do big plays? I know, it's funny, I got my first Broadway offer and I turned it down because I was getting stuff out here. But that had been the goal. And then I went. Broadway. At the time, yeah. And then the only reason I think I left New York

was because I was going through a divorce, you know, a breakup and I needed to get out of Dodge. Like I needed to change the scenery. Sure. So I came out here and I would say got lucky and all those things and also, you know, when your life is in free fall, you're like, what are you gonna do? Tell me I can't have the job. Yeah.

You know, like you have a fearlessness about you and I was just able to make a couple of things happen so that gave me a foundation. It's good that it was fearlessness and not just the desperation part. Yeah. And the anger. Yeah. Oh my God. It didn't feel like that. Yeah, no, not just the desperation part. Yeah. And the anger. Yeah. Oh my God. It didn't feel like that.

Yeah, no, it more felt like I don't. I'm free. Yeah, or I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do, so I might as well just go for broke. Yeah. You know, kind of thing. But have you done stage lately? No, not since my kids.

I did a play at Williamstown last, but it's a different gig, you know, with your family. Oh, yeah, because you got like, what, three weeks of rehearsal? Yeah, and you also have to move everybody there to not get paid and pull them out of school, you know. Yeah, I had this dream of maybe doing some theater. And then like, you know, there was something that came up and they're like, yeah, they're going to run it for three weeks in Chicago. And then a month or two, I'm like. I can't, it's not my life.

Yeah. Well, it's like Ron is in a dad band right now. It's just fun, his midlife crisis. What's he play? He plays the keyboards and sings a bit. How are they? He's really good. I mean, it's the kind of thing,

they have these, what are they, 80s songs and these other songs. I don't know how many times you can hear them, sing them, but they're kind of great, they're called Notorious D.A.D. But my point of bringing it up was, oh, that he's like, God, he's like, I'm glad I became an actor. He's like, you gotta carry your equipment around. You know, it's so unglamorous.

And the theater is a real blue collar gig. It's a great gig, I love it. There's nothing like, well you know, and the theater is a real, it's a real blue collar gig. It's a great gig. I love it. Like there's nothing like, well, you know, you do comedy in front of a live audience. Like- But I'm in control. You know, I don't have to, I can do whatever I want.

Yeah. When you're in a play, you're kind of beholden to the text. You still can do whatever you want, but yeah. Yeah. I mean, in terms of like the direction, you know, you can switch it up. Yeah, but you have to say the words. Yeah.

Yeah, in comedy, it's not the same. I don't even know what it would be like to try to memorize a play right now. Yeah. Is that an age thing or just an interesting thing? No, I mean, I'm pretty good at it, but like, you know, like, because I've done it a couple times but not since college. And I did it. But like, it's a fucker.

It's a beast. Totally. Yeah. Especially if it doesn't work. There was a play I did one time with Jonathan Demme that just didn't quite work. He directed it? He directed it. But he also, it was the only play he ever did, you know, as a director.

And it's such a different medium. And I used to wake up in the morning and be like, maybe if I break my own leg, I don't have to do it. Was that part of the play? No, just because it was such a hard play and it wasn't working. If it's working, it's transcendent. Right. But it just wasn't working.

Oh no. Yeah, it was hard. Was it off Broadway? It was off Broadway, yeah. I'm gonna tell you a story that Ron and I do this bit. I one time jumped into a play, I love saying off Broadway, an off Broadway story. Someone got fired and I jumped in

with like three or four days of rehearsal. And somebody in the cast in order to make me feel better, was like, oh no, you don't understand. I had to, this guy Michael, oh I wish I could remember his last name, he's a great musical theater actor. He had to cover for Martin Short, but he had to go on in the lead role unrehearsed. Oh my God.

So he had to learn all the songs, all the dances by the next day he was going on. And he said he stayed up till like six in the morning with his wife and all of a sudden she closes the script and looks at him and says, you don't know this. Sometimes Ron and I just do that to each other because like, could you imagine having to go out and doing an entire play and knowing you just don't know it. Yeah. Oh, so what happened to that guy?

He did it. This is what you do. You do it. And if you're confident enough, the audience doesn't know. No, they don't really know. And although like some of the grand dams of the theater like I'd like you to pause right here.

And he's like, you'll be lucky if I don't piss on your leg. Like I'm gonna do whatever I can do to get through these two and a half hours. So when you did Margaret, that fucking movie, he's like intense, right? He's great. Have you worked with him more than once? No, just that time.

I mean, I've run into him a bunch since, but because that was such an epic movie, I felt like I worked with him more than once. And also he was one of my, you know, when you come up in the theater, I'd seen a lot of Kenny Lonergan plays. They were like really, like this is our youth, and Lobby Hero, those are like seminal plays.

Like if you were those ages, you know if you were in your 20s and you're watching other actors like Mark Ruffalo, and Josh Hamilton, and Glenn Fitzgerald, like just some Heather Burns, these like great parts. Yeah, so I loved Kenny back then. So I just, you know, it was a small part, but I was so happy to be part of that ensemble.

But when you watch that movie, aren't you like kind of like, oh my God. It's so fucking heavy, right? Yeah, I love a heavy movie though. Yeah, what's the heaviest movie you ever did, do you think? That I ever did? Yeah, where you realized like-

I actually, the thing I just did when we were up in Vancouver, it's a limited series for, it's called Untamed, and it's in that vein of Mare of Easttown, you know, or True Detective. And it was like, that sometimes happens, especially when you're alone, where my kids had left a little bit early to back to school

and I was like, okay, if I don't finish this role soon, because it was so heavy, I'm like, I'm gonna go down a little bit. You know what I mean? Like I'm gonna slip under. So I was like, this really needs, you know, and it was just like it ended. I was like, okay, good.

Because I didn't think I could. Oh really, stay in it? You know, you stay in it. It's not even that. It's just like, like when you said you were watching old movies. Again, it was like, you know, those shows are a lot about like true crime and stuff.

And then I'm like imbibing all the true crime stuff too. So it's like not only the role when I'm there, when I'm not working, I feel like I should be taking in that stuff too, just to kind of not lose the thread. And I'm like, this is not good for me. Yeah, I gotta go home. This has to wrap. So it was perfect timing, but it was really heavy.

It'll be next year. It's a limited series? Oh, so you don't have to go back into it. Cause I think roles can like take a toll on people. series? Mm-hmm. Oh, so you don't have to go back into it. Mm-mm. Because I think roles can take a toll on people. Oh yeah. If you keep doing it. Oh, for sure. I mean, I watched that documentary about the Sopranos,

and Gandolfini having to do that for six seasons. Yeah. It just crushed him. Yeah, oh, I believe it. Because you find this stuff in yourself that might be buried for a reason. Yeah. Oh my God. And at least if gone for, buried for a reason. Yeah. Oh my God.

And at least if it's a movie or a play, I remember one time Ron said to me, we were somewhere on a beach and I was like, oh my God, this beach is amazing. Why is this beach so epic? He's like, well, I think finally you're like back to yourself, you know, cause it's just, yeah. Well, let me ask you, so like,

if you've got a big role in a movie, a significant role, what do you do first? First, I go, why is the script in my lap? Oh, yeah. Like, what is it? How, you know, like... Because they wanted you. Yeah, no, but like, what's the title of it? In Memoriam.

Okay. So what does that mean to you? Well, I mean, before I knew what it was about, I was like, well, this is going to be dark. And, you know, I hope it's not too sad. But I'm both of those things. So let's open it up to the first page. And then I read it. Well, but I knew the pitch line of the movie. Which was? Which was it's about an actor who was a great actor and had his ups and downs, almost became a movie star but kind of shit the bed, went through a period where he was just trying to rebuild and get back on top.

Then he took a sitcom and he did that for five years and that's what he got known for. Oh, wow. So he completely sold out his initial, you know, his original dream and talent to do he got known for. Oh, wow. So he completely sold out his original dream and talent to do this thing for money. Yeah, that's exactly where I would start. Yeah. For me, personally, I'd be like, where do I see this dynamic in my own life?

Right, I blew it. Yeah, and it wouldn't have to initially, for me, be in the career. It could be anywhere, but I'd start to mine it. Sure, yeah, well, that's what I do. Yeah I do. And you try to connect your own experience to that. Yeah. Yeah. So you're doing it.

I did all that, but then the catch is that he's diagnosed with stage four colon cancer at the beginning of the movie. Okay. And he becomes obsessed with the need to be in the memoriam montage of the Oscars. Which I love. And he doesn't think he has the resume to do it, whichiam montage of the Oscars. Which I love. And he doesn't think he has the resume to do it, which he doesn't. He doesn't, okay.

You know, and his manager's like, well, you're getting the Emmys. He's like, who the fuck cares about the Emmys? Yeah. You know, like, so he feels like his legacy, his entire legacy is hinging on being in that montage. And he fucked himself by doing this sitcom. So no one knows him.

So he's walking around bringing up movies no one's seen to people that are younger than him, and they're like, I don't know anything about him. And his ex-wife, it's complicated. But like, the thing that I guess what- There's so much pathos in that though. Totally. Like existential, and also like, you know,

when you spend time with people who are older, like older meaning in their 70s and 80s and how they have to go back to all those past things and keep talking about it and talking about it. If they can remember them, like this guy kind of burned through it. And I think that there was a point where, you know, he didn't have to think about it every day,

but the idea that he's dying, now he's got to justify his existence. Yeah. But I think the bigger question for me was like, right, so you know you're dying, you know, soon. Yeah. And that's what you, that's the news you've been delivered. What do you do with that as an actor?

Because you can't play that in every scene. And it took me until yesterday to realize like, well, he's going to be avoiding that as much as possible, even when he knows it's happening. Right. He's going to focus on whatever he has to, to not live in that. So there are scenes where he's living in it,

and then there are scenes where he's trying desperately. Thank God you figured that out before you started shooting. Yeah. Don't you love that? Yeah. Well, does that happen to you like day before? You're like, oh my God, I got it. Yeah.

Always. Yeah. Well, that's good. No, but I mean, I got it. Yeah. Always. Yeah. Well, that's good. No, but I mean, and also sometimes halfway through the shoot, you know, like where you're like, oh, I know. No, I get it. Yeah, and there might be something I wished

I could have, I would have played so different. But then I'm so grateful. Yeah, I talked to like, I talked to James Conn once. He's like, you know, on the first day of shooting The Godfather, I didn't have Sonny yet. Yeah. Most of the time you don't, right? Like you grow into it and you find your way.

Yeah, but usually when I get there, I'm like, am I just being me? Yeah. Well, and that's true too. You know what I mean? And like you're saying with process, I don't think it's that. I'm always marvel at the actors

who do all the amazing physical exterior work and the inner work at the same time. Like it's such a craft. And then I always just feel like I'm some version degree away from myself. Yeah, me too. But you've been doing it a long time, so this is very reassuring. Yeah, all that work that you just described, my version of that is like, what am I doing with my hands? Do I just leave them here? Am I touching? Yeah. Did they just grow while I was standing there?

Or I'm in the middle of some sort of monologue and as a person, I'm all hands. And I'm like, is this guy all hands? Cause I'm doing an all hands thing. Yeah. Maybe he is. Well, he's gonna have to be. Yeah, he is.

Cause that's the thing I hate when I watch. As long as the actor is doing, like using what's really there, I love it. If someone's trying to pretend, you know, that like the light didn't just fall on their face and keep acting, you know what I mean? Or that they don't. And like, you know, if you're working with the other actor

and you kind of can't stand them and it's a love scene, I like seeing that complicated mess of like, you kind of can't stand them and it's a love scene, I like seeing that complicated mess of like, you kind of can't stand them and it's a love scene, you know? Yeah, it's like that is sort of the weird thing about actors, you know, the thing I learned from Pacino in a certain way is he literally says, he says, you know, you want to hit it, you want to nail it,

but most of the time you don't. Yeah. So there's that. Well, that's what that's acting. Yeah. So there's that. Well, that's acting. Yeah. So if someone watching it believes it, you fucking did it. Yeah. Just because you're a little unsatisfied that you didn't, like, whatever.

I know. Well, we're always unsatisfied. Like, that's our job. And the audience is, you know. Yeah. They're not sitting there picking it apart. Like, they're there to love it. Yeah.

All right. Yeah. So what's this other thing you did, the horror movie? Smile 2. I saw it. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So what's this other thing you did, the horror movie? Uh, Smile 2. I saw the coming attractions for that. Yeah. And how's that? I heard it. I'm seeing it Monday.

I heard it's great, actually. Like, the script was really good. It, like, it's Is this your first, like, real horror movie? I did a remake of Poultergeist with Sam Rockwell. That, you know, was fun. Did you play the mother? I did.

But that was almost more of, like, you know, that's, like, a nice horror movie. fun. Did you play the mother? I did. But that was almost more of like, that's like a nice horror movie. You know what I mean? Smile 2 is like, you're supposed to be freaked out. And it's blood and crazy. For a couple weeks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, Poltergeist was like, oh, it's ghosts.

Yeah, it's ghosts. Ghosts aren't scary. And this one, everything's a spoiler, but Parker Finn, who directed it, really knows, it's fun when you're working with a filmmaker who really knows what they want. And it's like,, but the guy, Parker Finn, who directed it, really knows, it's fine when you're working with a filmmaker who really knows what they want. Yeah. And it's like, oh, and now you're gonna look right

down the lens. Like, they just know what's scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So technically, it was a little challenging, but fun. Yeah? I mean, my kids can never see it, but. Ever? I don't know.

Why? Is that scary? Yeah, it's just. What's your character? I'm like a momager, you know, like a Kris Jenner. Okay. You know? Okay, yeah.

Right. Or like any pop star, you know, a pop star's mom. That's kind of a nasty, ambitious character. Yeah, that's what was fun about it. It was fun to play somebody who you were like, is this genuine? Like, do they love their kid? Are they pushing them too much?

Like, what's wrong? What's in it for them? You know, all that kind of What's in it for them? You know, all that kind of stuff. So it was a little bit of that kind of exploration. And the girl who plays my daughter, Naomi Scott, it's so, I don't know if this gets you excited, but she played Princess Jasmine in the Will Smith Aladdin.

And then when someone gets to then do such a transformation, you know what I mean? And now she's playing, you know, like Olivia Rodrigo or like, and she can really sing and dance and do all the things. So I know she's not gonna be able to walk down the street in a couple of weeks. Because of this movie?

Yeah, because it's gonna be. So it's gonna be big. It'll be big for her. Yeah. I think so. People like the horror. They do, especially if it's done well. Cause if you go to the movies and you get to all be together and like, you know, you talk about your feeling, like could you imagine right now if other people all felt the same

way you did about starting this job on Monday? Like you know how good you'd feel if everybody was in it with you? But you get to go to a movie and be all scared together? You know what I mean? And then laugh that you all had the exact same feeling. It's fun. It's great. Do you go to the theater a lot?

Not as much as I used to. But I try to go. I do, I try to go too. Yeah. And I love it. When I go, I love it. It's like amazing. I mean, I went to see the Wild Robot the other day

because I have kids. How was that? It was great. Yeah? It was great. You know I watched the other night? What? Who Framed Roger Rabbit.

Yeah, great. Great. Great. Still great. I know, holds up. Did you watch out with your kids? It's not really a kids movie. No, I haven't watched it with them. I wonder Great. Still great. I know, holds up. Did you watch out with your, it's not really a kids movie. No. Kinda.

I haven't watched it with them. I wonder, yeah, I wonder if they like it. It kinda bums me out. 11 and almost nine. It bums me out when they don't think movies are great. You know what I mean? My daughter the other day went into, she's like, does hip hop,

and there was an acting class for dancers at the studio. Yeah. And I knew the woman, she's like, oh, she should come in and try it for a little bit. And she kind of looked at me like, no. But she went in. So I opened the door 10 minutes later, she's rolling around the floor,

like she's pretending she's a pig and the whole class is laughing. I'm like, oh, she's having a ball. She comes out like 15 minutes later, and I was like, oh, is the class over? She's like, no. Acting is so stupid and boring. I just like, oh, is the class over? She's like, no. Acting is so stupid and boring. I just raised my hand and said, I'm sorry, I need to be somewhere. And she

left the class. And I'm like, oh, this thing that I've devoted my life to, you have just decided is like the dumbest stuff ever. Oh, that's kind of a thank God. Yeah. And she knows herself. She is like that kid who just doesn't suffer, like whatever that Fosse quote is, doesn't dance for grandma. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's like, yeah, I'm not feeling this at all.

It's so funny though, because you'd think that acting would be so exciting, but it didn't hurt her feelings. She's just like, this is dumb. Yeah, she doesn't care. Oh. Yeah. What's the other one like? The opposite.

Like she probably is an actress. I won't let her anywhere near it, you know, but she is. Yet? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. When she's 18, she can do whatever she wants. Oh, really? You're going to keep her away from it for that long?

I don't know. I mean, because she's also sometimes, as we all know, she's also really sensitive. And like, she's all the things. But she's like a natural mimic. And if she hears a song, like when she was little, she would hear songs on the radio, and she'd be like, turn it off. And if she hears a song, like when she was little, she would hear songs on the radio

and she'd be like, turn it off, it's too sad. You know, like she just feels stuff. So I also want to protect her. You know, it's a business, it's a job. She doesn't need to go to work. But she feels it so much. Yeah. It's beautiful.

I think maybe I was like that, but like I said, I didn't really grow up in an environment where that was okay. I find that as I'm getting older, things are hitting me hard. They are? Yeah. And then, like, well, Linnpassing, I mean, that opens up something in your heart that is tragic, but you can't undo it. No. And the sensitivity to almost everything is just amplified.

I mean, you know, it breaks your heart, but then all of a sudden you realize, like, this is what life is, and everything becomes a little bit heartbreaking, a little bit more heartbreaking. Yeah, I almost feel like that's like the great, it's like awful to go through these. I always don't want to go through awful experiences.

But I realized, because I was lucky enough to bury both my parents and be with both my parents when they passed, help them go. Oh, really? And after both those experiences, I was like, this is what it's all about. This is what life is. And then your heart is so much more open

and you're capable of so much more love and so much more presence. I mean, maybe that's not everybody's experience because sometimes those things can sink you too, right? I've always been pretty good at fighting the love. You have? What do you mean? How do you fight the love?

I'm a comedian. Okay. Yeah, it's all about do you fight the love? Well, I'm a comedian. Okay. Yeah, it's all about managing and fighting the love. All right. Yeah, but I just need to understand more. I think because, not to be too psycho-babbly, that because my parents were so self-involved that I grew to interpret love as sort of a manipulation and stuff. And I don't think they were very capable

of being selfless in any genuine way. So I'm fundamentally untrusting. Yeah, sure, sure. Of love. Of someone loving you? That, sure. Okay. It took Aline a long time to break through.

Yeah, yeah. She was a determined one. She is determined, or was determined. But also in giving love, determined one. She is determined. Yeah. Or was determined. Yeah. But also, like, in giving love, like, the vulnerability of it, I think that in some ways, I don't know, there's part of my personality that I think you got to be all in or not. Like, there's no middle zone. Mm-hmm.

Right? So, like, even with my cats, who I should feel perfectly comfortable, you know, loving unconditionally because they're animals, I'm still a little like, what's going on? You're withholding with my cats, who I should feel perfectly comfortable, loving unconditionally, because they're animals, I'm still a little like, what's going on? You're withholding with your cats? Well, yeah, because they're, they are. Yeah, yeah, well they are, yeah. So give me the pathway.

Tip for tat, yeah. And also like, Lynn was like so incredibly supportive and insistent that I act. And then I do it. Yeah. And, you know, I think about her, you know, like that. Yeah. Isn't it funny also to find people that believe in you that much, like, later in life?

You know, like somebody asked me this morning, like, who was the first person that made you feel like you could be an actor? And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I've met them. No, I'm kidding. But, you know,. And I'm like, I don't know. I don't know if I've met them. No, I'm kidding. But you know, like, I don't know. I mean, I think there's a lot of people along the way, but to just have somebody like see you, you know what I mean? And life and then, and like also probably know you well enough to know that you want to do it. Like you want to, cause you seem as much as you seem scared

right now, you seem really excited. You don't, no, and like really happy. I love acting because I love that like, the complexity and the mystery and the beauty and like what you had, let's say with Lynn, like has a container. Yeah. Has somewhere to go. Yeah.

Well, she really kind of like, it does require somebody seeing you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because I have, and I don't know, It does require somebody seeing you. You know what I mean? Because I have, I don't know, I imagine you're that way too. People make assumptions about what you're like. I don't think anybody thinks about me that much,

quite honestly. I did, most of the day. Oh, okay. Well today, what was your assumption about what I was like? Well, I mean, it all comes from, like, your relationship with people who are actors, it comes from these different roles that I've seen you do. And, you know, I thought you would be a little harder. But you're not. Okay.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Because you do have a... Like, in a lot of roles, you're pretty... I don't know if it's tough, but you hold your ground somehow. Does that make sense? Yeah. So, I figure, like, all right, she's gonna be, like, together and tough and, you know, not in a bad way.

Yeah. She's gonna be nice. Yeah. But, like, I don't know if I'm gonna, you know, I'm never right. I'm never right. Yeah. Ever. Oh, that's good to know. But people assume that I'm kind of an asshole sometimes or a little curmudgeon or a little

defensive, and those are all true. But then those people come where they just, you know, that makes no difference to them. Yeah. They see the other thing. Sure. The thing that you're trying to hide. Yeah, yeah. That's the best thing. That's the best thing. And if somebody you love...

That's the thing that we all want. We all wanna see the thing that everybody doesn't wanna show us. I know, isn't that weird? That's the thing that makes us fall in love with our people and whatever, and that's the thing that I feel like we... You gotta let that happen. Yeah.

Right? Well, and also in the role that you're gonna do too. I mean, I don't know why we're talking about acting so much. I mean, I guess I know why, because it's a podcast. Is it bad? No, I'm just, is that like, I love to see, like I love to really see someone take an authentic breath. Like while the camera's on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Or show that thing that they didn't want us to see, that they didn't plan at home in their room. Yeah. But it just kinda happened. Yeah. And it made them feel awkward.

And then the, and again, that's what I know, of course we're gonna talk about, Lynn. Those were the moments that she wanted. So when she found them, that was the lightning in a bottle, and then she built the whole movie around it. She would change the movie, because she's like, that happened. And now we're gonna make this whole movie

lead up to that moment, because that was true. Oh, she's so good. Ron and I wrote a pilot recently, like during the strike, just to be creative. And it was like, it's like almost sometimes you forget that we lose people, because I was like, well, Lynn will direct this, you know what I mean? And then it's like, I woke up, I was like, oh wait, no.

And I was like, oh God, I gotta go find my Lynn, but there's no Lynn, so then you just have to go out and make new friends and new creative partnerships. There isn't anyone as poetic in the way that she was poetic. There are other, there are directors that kind of play in the same field, but she was so specific about those moments.

Yeah. You know? I miss her. Yeah. You know, I miss her. Yeah. I was so glad though that I was coming to do this with you. Like it's so nice to- To talk. To see you.

Yeah, it's nice to see you too. Cause I think she really loved you. Were you in touch with her? Yeah. Yeah, you guys talked. We did, we went through a lot of years, especially in between projects where we like, really like kind of had to hash life out.

But you do that when you're struggling. I had a big long infertility journey and she was going through her stuff. And then when you get happy, that's when you don't talk to each other as much, in a good way. Well, yeah, if you're really close with somebody that you have that relationship with. Yeah, you can just text or send a Marco Polo and then, yeah, that's it. And then until the next big threshold that you want to share with them. So that you went through infertility for a long time?

Yeah, like maybe seven or eight years. Like you've had a long road, but I wouldn't change it because now that I met my kids, I'm like, they wouldn't be these kids if it didn't take the exact amount of time that it took. Yeah, my brother went through that and he's got three adopted kids. Oh, wow. Yeah. How old are they? Oh, they're all kind of older now. Like, the youngest one's in his early 20s and then there's mid-20s and then the oldest

one's got to be coming up on 30. And how are the adults, like, the young kids now that are adults, like how are they in their adopt, in their adopted life with their, because it comes with a lot of loss too. I think so. I don't really know, and I know like they did the adoption where, you know, they were contacted when a woman who wanted to put a child of adoption was pregnant. And so they were there at the very beginning. And that seems so heavy to me. And I haven't really talked to the kids about like, because they, my brother always knew like, well, we know who your mom is. So if you want to do that, let us know. And I don't

know what the percentage of kids did do that. Yeah. Because some of them, I think, are like, no. Yeah. But I guess that is the intrinsic law saying why did they not. All that, yeah, you can't not. It's, again, like when we're talking about the other existential things, like that's an existential question and like where do I come from? Yeah. I mean, I think the way that, not a trend,

that's not the right word, but the way they kind of do it now in adoption is like, you know, you try to do open adoptions. Like we know our daughter's birth families and stuff and we're in relationship. Oh you are? Yeah, but they didn't really do that back when your brother adopted. And then if you went back to like if someone like you

or I were adopted, they maybe wouldn't even tell you you were adopted. You'd have to go through microfiche to find who your parents are. So who knows what's right and what's in the best interest. I think it might have been when my brother did it was, I think it was an option. I think a lot of the mothers were like, I don't know if I can handle that. But they know the backstory of all these kids, you know, which is kind of interesting. Yeah. So they all have a relationship with their birth family? Yeah, yeah.

Wow. Yeah, it's cool. Is it? It is, but I mean, it's a lot of complexity and nuance, you know, because, you know, you just, you're there to focus on your child. So it's like what's best for them, even though, you know, it's not what's best for me as mom,

it's not what's best for them as first mom. It's like what, if you center the kid, like what really is best for them? So you have to take cues off them. And we're like, you wanna go to the water park with these guys? And if they say yeah, you do it. If they say no, then you go,

okay, we're not gonna do it this time they say no, then you go, okay, we're not gonna do it this time. It sounds a little heavy. Yeah, it's heavy. But I mean, it's like what we're talking about, life is, right? Why don't you and Ron write that movie? Yeah, maybe.

Yeah. I've never seen a movie like that. Okay. Yeah. What's he doing? What's he doing right now? He did pick up today. He's home.

He's gonna go do. You guys live here? We live right, yeah, like Los Feliz. Not far. Oh, you're right here? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Although I came earlier from press, so that took me like an hour and a half to get here.

So what were you doing, like five minute bites? Yeah, it wasn't even a junket. It was more like a 40 minute, like a 30 minute with peace, and of this and of that. No, not that ratatatatatata. Yeah, yeah. You're now talking to, yeah, yeah. Someone else sits in the chair.

Yeah. Wasn't that? Is it all for the, is it for both projects? No, that's just for Smile 2, and then the other one comes out at the end of November. I feel like it's gonna be a big movie. Smile 2? Yeah.

I hope so, yeah. It'll be fun. And you got something else on the plate? Oh, yeah, like the one I told you about up in Vancouver. That one's done. Oh, you mean one that I haven't done yet? Yeah, yeah. No, I kind of wanna, yeah, I don't know.

I really like the writing process. I mean, I guess you do that too. Like Ron and I wrote that. I like really enjoyed it. So I might, like you're saying, go write that movie. I like scratching that itch. I do. I can't stand writing.

Okay. It's just like, it just never doesn't feel like homework. Okay. And it's just sort of like, ugh. I like things that happen now. Yeah, you don't have the patience for it? I guess. I do write, like weekly I do a newsletter,

which is sort of like a... That's very nice. Oh, no, no. And I make myself do that, and it's a good exercise. But the... You know, Lynn and I were writing a script that, you know, I won't let anybody do, and it's a good story. But like, I don't know, you know, and I was kind of helping...

I optioned my buddy's book, and we went through five drafts of that. I like it when I don't have to be the driver. I know, yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, what do you think of this? Well, I think we can trim this up and do that, and why don't we try it like this, and they go do it. I'm like, yeah, look what we did.

I know, I kind of feel like that's how Ron and I are. I feel like I kind of come up with the rainbows, and then I'm like, how about, what if a scene, and then he can sit there and actually like hyper focus and hammer it out. Oh good. But I'm very much like, I'm just gonna talk the scene into my phone.

Yes, much better. That's like ADHD or something. Maybe that's what that is. Well, you both have it, but it's complementing each other. Yeah, he's got his own, yeah. Well, it was great talking to you. It was great to talk to you. You feel good about it?

Yeah, do you? Yeah, I do. Oh, okay. But now we gotta go do the sad thing and try and- I know, that just scared me. The jacket? Yeah, when you said you get scared, you know, like acting like I,

and I'm like, no, but I wanna be scared. I just got scared. About what? To see the jacket. But I think it's important. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. ["Spring Day"] That was nice.

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and Keith Urban. I'm locked into the Shure SM7. Great vocal mic. And then the 58s. Is that an ad? Yeah. They're sending me shit. Yeah, I always go with the SM7.

I think I've sold more SM7s to podcasters. Like, I just, I've been. It's one of my favorite mics, in all honesty. And I do lots of recorded vocals on these guys. On the SM7s. Ohcasters. Like I just, I've been- It's one of my favorite mics in all honesty. And I do lots of recorded vocals on these guys. On the SM7s. Oh yeah, yeah. I hold it in the studio and sing in the studio. No, it's a great vocal mic.

It's a great vocal mic. And then like, do you, but I imagine you've moved on from the 58s on stage, right? What have we got right now? Well, it's all wireless anyway. Yeah, it can't. It's a different beast. But I did a tour with these as my main vocal mics on stage.

No shit. Does Sure know that? Probably back in the day. And they looked great and sounded great, but apparently no one in the front could see my face. Big mics. To get bonus episodes twice a week, go to the link in the episode description

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