WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 1653 - Megan Stalter

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Megan Stalter sees her comedic persona as a representation of both supreme confidence and a nervous breakdown simultaneously. It’s a demeanor that served her well, whether on the improv stages in Chicago or on her breakout Instagram videos or as the scene-stealing Kayla on Hacks or in her own Netflix series Too Much. Megan and Marc talk about how her comedy chops took shape, her upbringing in the Pentecostal Church, and her identity as both queer and Christian.  Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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When's the guy coming over to fix the thing what's happening? When are you going to see that guy about your car? When's the guy coming over to fix the thing? What's happening? Where are we at? Slow down. Take it easy. Take a breather. Don't get your heart rate too fast. Hey, look, what is happening? What is happening? We're standing here on the brink of destruction. Oh my God, what a relief it is to have a president that unites the people and is able to give them comfort in difficult times. What a relief that we have a president who feels like a leader and that we can all rally behind and kind of know that he'll do his best to do the right thing. What a relief. We have a responsible and thoughtful and intelligent president surrounded

by thoughtful, intelligent and professional people. You know, it's rare that it happens, but man, we've really got it now, don't we? God damn it. Yes, we're all gonna go down together. Even those of us that didn't want to. Anyway, what's happening? I have, uh... What have I been doing?

First off, Megan Stalter is on the show, and she's so fucking funny. I mean, she is so fucking funny. She plays Kyla, the assistant to manager Jimmy, and later his co-manager on Hacks. She has a background in sketch comedy and improv comedy, and now she has this new Netflix series called Too Much.

But she's just a raw talent, man. And I mean that in the best way. Everything seems like it's happening in the moment, and she's just naturally funny. I was very excited to talk to her. I didn't know how much we talk in terms of like you know she's you know she's pretty young in in in terms of people I know but it was great great conversation and I just like her. But aside from that I've been taking it easy.

Yeah, taking it easy here on the brink of World War III. Just trying to find a little space to enjoy my fucking summer. Turns out I like summer. I don't know if I've really said it out loud, but summer is... I used to think I was a fall guy, because I like those colors, I like layering, but I think after years of being in Los Angeles where layering isn't that necessary, you know, I like wearing shorts.

I like wearing surfer shorts. I like wearing sandals. I like wearing linen-y kind of shorts, short sleeve shirts. And if it gets chilly, I got a buddy now, my friend Sarah over a deco denim She made me two of these kind of lightweight Chore coats that are just sweet. It's not that I'm moving out of the ship John thing. It's just a summer Summer we're doing a different thing. You need a little lighter little airy. I like the chore jacket and

And I just want to sit on my fucking porch and think have a coffee Read a little bit. I started reading Moby Dick. Is that that's what I want to do Is that okay, but there's a lot of shit going on a lot of bad shit, but I'm finding his own Then take it fucking easy man Can you hear to my voice? I'm gonna take it fucking easy Did a lot of cleaning cleaned up the whole porch. It was getting a little, uh, my porch was getting a little redneck-y. A lot of stuff on the porch.

There was some furniture that was no longer in the house. It was on the porch. A lot of boxes. There was a tarp on the porch. There was a broken table on the porch. There was, it was, shit was building up, man. And I just cleaned it all up because your home, your apartment, whatever it is, whatever your living situation is, it does mean something to get it in order, to get it streamlined, to make it, you know, organized. Just so when you walk into it, there's a moment where you're like, yes, yes. And now like I have that out there. So I had a weird thing happen. And I think I handled

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I open it and in the box are a big There's another there's a manila envelope and then a stack of papers with canceled checks not canceled checks process checks and forms All about you know, there it's insurance stuff. It's you know quest diagnostics, but it's a stack of stuff It looks pretty you know quest diagnostics, but it's a stack of stuff It looks pretty you know like someone is like turning in the whole file To get a claim met and I'm like, what is this? I first I thought like oh no and crazy person has sent me something that I don't know what to do with and then I realize It it it does have there. It's a thing This is supposed to be somewhere was an urgent box

And then I look at the the mailing label and it's my address Okay, my address, but it's addressed to the intention the attention of some person another person and and it's blue cross blue shield 39th floor my address In Glendale. And I'm like, what the fuck is happening? And then I started to, you know, kind of freak out, like this needs to be somewhere, you

know? So I look up my address with Blue Cross Blue Shield, and it's in a total other state. And then, you know, I taped the box back up because I don't know what to do with it, but I know it needs to get somewhere because someone might need to get their claim honored, if that even happens. So I call this Blue Cross Blue Shield in this other state, and of course you can't get through to anybody calling an insurance company. There's no way. And you're not going to get a person.

There's no way to look it up. I looked up the person whose name was on it and I'm like, fuck. I started to feel like the urgency, like this needs to get somewhere. Someone sent this overnight and now it's on my porch. So I go to UPS and I'm like, I have a pretty good feeling.

I did some research. This needs to be in Blue Cross Blue Shield, but this is my address. And the guy's like, yeah, well, we can't, we can't return it to sender. You've opened it already. I'm like, well, what the fuck am I gonna do?, well, we can't return it to sender. You've opened it already. I'm like, well, what the fuck am I going to do? He goes, we can put it back in the system, but it'll just end up at your house.

And I'm like, all right. And he said, what's the return address? And I'm like, it looks like, I don't know. And I looked at the return address and I looked that up. And that was in Texas. I had a Blue Cross Blue Shield in Texas. So I call that number and it's not even connected, like I'm going to get through to insurance. So I don't know what to do.

But this is the kind of thing where it's sort of like not my problem. But isn't it, you know, somebody is, you know, looking to get made well by the insurance company and it was a massive amount of paperwork, like, like singular paperwork, like checks. So I really had to figure out, you know, what am I gonna do? Yeah, I made all the calls. I know it came from a Blue Cross, it's going to a Blue Cross, both other states,

but it is my address. So what I chose to do was go ahead and assume that I was correct in where it was supposed to go and I just paid for it to be shipped there. Not overnight, it would have cost a fortune, but it will get there, I think, and I just hope it gets there. But now I have the tracking,

and now I'm kind of invested in this story. And now I'm in the middle of something. I don't think it's, I did anything wrong. I accidentally opened a package, but I'm trying to make it right, and I hope it gets to where it needs to go, and I hope the person gets paid for their pain. I mean, that's why you have insurance.

But someone fucked up. I guess it was just one of those, you know, same addresses and they give you all those options and someone hit the wrong one, but I hope it gets to where it's supposed to go. And I felt that was the right thing to do. And it did feel a bit like a good deed. And then I lost my, I was hoping for some karma, you know?

lost my I was hoping for some karma you know I I lost my my air pod case for my air pods because I went into the gym with him and then I don't know I left him somewhere and and it was a couple days ago and I couldn't find him in my car couldn't find him around my car when I came out because I knew they were somewhere and I don't know I didn't even think I've got to adapt even deeper into technology I didn't think to do the find the thing you know app on the iPhone I did it yesterday and then it said it said that they were still in the parking lot so I went back to the parking lot all excited I thought like well you know what this is nice full circle day looked all over the place.

No, couldn't find them, but they were there somewhere. And I went into the gym and I asked them if anyone brought them back because it's the parking lot for the gym. No, they suggest I go to the office of the parking lot. No. So now I'm just like, they're in a car. It's not specific enough, but probably for good reason.

People are gonna be showing up at people's houses. You got my air pod case? No, I know you do. It's not specific enough, but probably for good reason. People are gonna be showing up at people's houses. You got my AirPod case? No, I know you do. I followed the trail. It's right on my phone. You liar, you liar. But you know, I'm impulsive and nuts

and I just, I couldn't find it. And then I assumed, well, someone must've put them in their car and they're just sitting in a car. They found them and they're not going to do anything with them. But I'm like, you're going to have to eat it, buddy. You've got to get another AirPod case. So I ordered that. But now, like, I think it'll be fun to check in and follow my other AirPod case around.

Maybe someday it'll come back to me. Maybe someday I'll show up at someone's house and go, hey, I know this is weird, but, uh, do you have my AirPod case? The charging case? No. I know it's in here, you fuck. That's not the right tone. Alright, so look, you guys. Megan Stalter is here.

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I feel so amazing. Really? In general? Yeah, I had a really sweet smoothie on the way here, so I felt jacked up. Oh, really? What was it? It was a really sweet smoothie on the way here, so I felt, I feel jacked up. Oh really? What was it? It was a date carrot smoothie. Oh, date smoothies.

And so I'm like, I don't like to eat. It's a lot of sugar, you're good. Well, I was gonna say, but it's natural sugar, right? Right, but we gotta get this in before you fall asleep. I was. But natural sugar, am I gonna crash as much? Sure, I think so. Oh God.

Well, I don't know, but there's all kinds of good stuff. Yeah. I mean, I don't really know, but I like date shakes. You ever go to, like I'm vegan, you ever go to Fred 62? You know that- I don't think so. On Vermont, it's open relate, it's like a dinery kind of place.

Oh, it's like a vegan diner? No, it's like a regular place, but they have vegan stuff, but they make a vegan date shake with coconut bliss ice cream. Oh yeah, do you fall asleep with it? No, cause usually I drink it like one in the morning. I'll like after a show I'll go over there. I've only done it twice.

But it keeps you up or it doesn't? No, it just makes me feel like fucked up in the morning. Yeah. Like, you know, I just. I didn't drink the full shake. So I won't be too. Oh good. So I watched like several episodes of the new show too much. You did? Yeah. Oh good. So I watched several episodes of the new show, too much.

You did? Yeah. Oh my God. So fucking funny. Thank you. You're so funny. That means a lot to me. I really, like, cause I've never done a show like that.

Really? Yeah. Well, I guess, yeah. It's a very rom-com. Right, but it's like, it's just, but it's all you. It's like subverted rom-com. Subverted rom-com with the kind of like British twist. Yes, yeah.

Like it's kind of modeled on, what is it? A British Jones Diary or what is that what it's called? Well, we did it with Working Title who did a lot of rom-com, British rom-com movies that are amazing. And yeah, I love British Jones Diary. It's very like British. You do?

Well, that's sort of like. Sorry. We have a joke in the show where I call it the British Jones Diaries. Yeah, yeah. And so now I accidentally say that. Bridget Jones Diaries. But still, it's like you in this world and you're so kind of, I don't know if the word is neurotic and slightly aggravated, but it's just that the contrast is very funny

with all the people around you. You have British or not British. I think that's what your genius said is the contrast of you and the world. Thank you. She definitely is like a nervous girl having a breakdown who's also confident at the same time. Yeah, and I feel like there's some anger in there.

Definitely, and she's going through a horrible, crazy breakup. That's right, that she keeps obsessing about Emily Rodakowski. Which is so funny to me because that's what people do, like when they're going through a breakup. They're obsessed over the new person. Sure, but like back in the day, back in my day,

you didn't get to watch them together every day on the Instagram posts. That's what's psycho about where we live now. It's totally psycho. I can't even imagine, like I'll check in on a couple exes online, but I don't. Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, but I don't know, no it's not.

It's fun if you're like, oh, like, what do they look like now? Oh, sure, sure. Oh, look what happened to that person. Or like, oh, I guess if you're like completely, there's no hard feelings, it's fun to look, right? Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then if there is, I guess,

then I can imagine it being like, oh, but I- But your character's obsessed. But she's obsessed almost to a sexual level. Yeah, I don't know. Like, it's almost gay, but it's. But she's obsessed almost to a sexual level. Yeah. It's almost gay, but it's not, because she's so straight. Right. It's funny because you chose whoever did it,

cast Emily Radikowski. Yeah, it's perfect. And it's just the idea of her being married to, what's his name? What's that actor's name? Oh, Michael. Yeah, yeah, yeah. From Marvelous Mrs. Maisel.

Yeah, I'm like, okay, maybe. You don't think that they would go for each other? I'm like, I'm still waiting to see what he's got that would make that a possibility. It's so, he does such a good job in the show because he truly does though, like come off as like so evil in certain scenes, but there are flashbacks where you're like,

wait, like, I could see this person being charming. Like, it's, which is, I feel like you don't always see in a show, like, you usually see, like, the exes, like, oh, the ex that's in the past. But to see, like, someone getting over it and, like, there was girls in our makeup trailer that truly were talking about whether she should be with the ex or not.

And I'm like, are you guys crazy? Like, he's horrible. But they've seen all of the story. So they- With you, with your character, you? Yeah, like the, you know, the two guys in it. Like she's falling for this new guy, there's the old guy. And they talked about whether or not, like who they'd choose.

I'm like, what are you talking about? You choose the X, he was horrible to her. Right, but they're involved with the story at least. But they're into the story, they see the flashbacks. Like I can see the charm of this guy. But it's just so funny when you deal, because I did an episode of Easy, Joe Swamberg show. I love that show.

Yeah, with Emily. I loved your episode. Oh, thank you. And it's just like, look, people of that type of beauty, that's just this natural, it's almost like they're aliens. Like they're like, where did you come from? How do you even interface with the real world?

So there's that sort of thing that, but she's kind of underplayed it. She's pretty good at being a regular person. She's so sweet and she's such a girls girl. When I met her, I was like, oh my God, she lives for her friends, girl's girl. Like when I met her, I was like, oh my God, she like, lives for her friends. And it's so, like, it made it really easy to be like obsessive, obsessing over her in the show,

but not easy to be mad at her, of course. Yeah, yeah, I don't know, because I guess I think that sadly, maybe I'm projecting that, that there's, when somebody's that naturally beautiful, there's some part of you that wants to not like them. Why do you think that? Like is society being like,

oh, like you can't like have it all or something? No, I just, I think it's sort of- Or it's intimidating. No, I think it's just basic insecure jealousy. Yeah, I see. Right? I don't like, you know, like it's like even- Oh, you're like, I don't, ugh, like it's just basic insecure jealousy. Yeah, I see right. I don't like yeah, you know, like it's like even oh you're like I don't like it. Yeah. Yeah, I see what you're saying. Yeah, like, you know, what does she have to worry about? Insecurity. Yeah, of course. Yeah. Yeah, even like when you're in high school or when I was in high school

You know these dudes, you know that were like seem to have it all together and you're like no Not that guy fuck that guy. It makes you feel better to be like well there has to be like yeah Like I don't like that guy. It makes you feel better to be like, well there has to be, like yeah, I don't like that person, they couldn't be nice. Yeah, you can only hope that they're struggling with some horrible thing. She's a perfect angel. Oh, god damn it.

You would love her. No, I met her, but like some of the dudes. You would still love her. Oh yeah, you guys work together. Yeah, yeah. Of course you know her. But you find out as time goes on that everybody has their own struggles. There's ugly people that are mean

and there's beautiful people that are nice. That are very nice. So, oh, and Hacks too, you're great in that too. Thank you. You're very funny, different character. Wacky assistant. Yeah, but I like the fact that she turns out to really kind of nail it here and there.

It's kind of, I really think the sweet scenes are so sweet like her and Jimmy loving each other. Those are my favorite things to do. Well, I just like his inability to really sort of have a boundary. That's the funniest part, is that you just keep coming and eventually it's like, okay. Do you think they'd be a good couple?

You wanna see them be a couple in the show or no? No. I don't know because, like, I don't know how that would play out. What if it doesn't play out well? And you know whether or not you did it or not. I think that it's like, that you're not gonna ever hook up or be married,

but I think if he had a girlfriend, she would like slash her tires. Sure, sure. And she, and I could see Kayla getting pregnant and Jimmy stepping up as a father. Oh, you can? Yeah, but not in a romantic way. More like, I'm gonna take care of my family.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's her guy. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. That's a fun show, and you have Robbie on there now. So funny. Yeah, yeah, it's so funny. She's so good. She's so good.

So, like, I don't know where you came from. Or where, like, all of a sudden, cause I'm old and somehow I miss a chunk of time. And there's all these people coming up in conference. How old do you think I am? 35. Oh, you must have looked up. No, how old are you?

I'm about to be 35. It was so, the reason why I say you looked up is it's so true to my age that I'm like, you really nailed it. Cause I'm just about to be 35. Yeah, yeah, but I have a hard time telling how old people are. How are you able to tell? Like right on the dot, you're good at that.

Well, I don't know. I don't think I saw how old you are, but I do know like, I have a hard time identifying, like once people get in their 30s, I don't know how old anyone is. But that's what's crazy about you guessing it right is because usually people are like, oh, 36, 34, one or two off, but you're really right.

It was a medium, it was like, I just took a shot. But you're not gonna get mad at people who say 34 or 36. No, of course not. But as people say 40, then you're, you know. I wouldn't even be mad, 40 is so young. Yeah, but about 28. 28's like a teenager though. Yeah, yeah, I guess so. Like 20s are teens, 40s is young.

Mm, I'm 61. 60s is young. Yeah, I don't know. It is! I like the idea of that. You know, I do, I understand that. It is young. Well, I don't know. It is though. I like the idea of that. You know, I do, I understand that. It is young.

Well, yeah, it's not 80. When does old happen? I think old is like 90. Wow. I'm serious. Everything below 90 is young? I think 60 is very young. I think 70s is like, okay, what are we gonna,

what are we doing with it? What are we, what kind of? We better get that stuff done. Whatever we want, our job's just starting. Our career's just starting at 70. No, at 70 it's sort of like, I'm done with fucking work. Let's go on vacation. Yeah, who I could, you know, I've got a little time left.

70, I feel like you still have a lot of time left. It depends who you are. I like that you're optimistic about it. I'm... I got Buddy, who I was with last night, he's 71, he's not thinking the same way you were. What did he say? No, no, he's okay, but like you become.

He feels older. You become very aware of like the clock. Is it kind of exciting though? It's like you know so much that happens. Well, what does that mean? I'm saying you have so many stories and then you still have so much life to live. Maybe. Yeah.

But you also know like this is going to close up soon. But that's how you could be, you could close up soon at 28. I know, but that'd be tragic. Well, yeah, but it'd be tragic at your age as well. 60s is very young. Sure. You have stories and a lot of life left. As long as you remember them,

because that can go too, depending on. But you podcast, of course you have so many stories you remember. I do, sometimes they come up and I, like I did one on stage at Largo the other night that I hadn't done in a while. Like it was just something that happened with my mother when I was younger and Mulaney went on after me.

It's like, are you doing that in the special? I'm like, no. He's like, how are you not doing that? Oh, it just like came out, like it wasn't planned. Well, yeah, it's a very specific story about my mother's sense of humor that was inappropriate. And I was very young and it made an impression. What was the joke, what was the story?

I need to know the joke. It was not a joke. It was just like, you know, when you try to figure out where you get your sense of humor. Yes, yeah. Cause my dad wanted to be funny, but I don't know the joke. It was not a joke. It was just like, you know, when you try to figure out where you get your sense of humor. Yes, yeah. Cause my dad wanted to be funny, but I don't know how funny he was. He was, you know, he was manic and kind of exciting.

Sometimes. Was he funny to you? No, not really. Okay. Okay. No, he was just, he was a little scary and unpredictable or depressed. But there was one time we were on a ski trip with another family, me and my brother, my little brother,

and they had two kids who were a little younger than me and my brother, the Leffenfelds. And we went up, our families went up to like a ski resort in Colorado. That is so like glamorous. Kinda, you know, I guess so. You know, it's just like we lived in New Mexico, you ski. Yeah, that's cool.

But we took this trip with this other family and we were at dinner and I don't know who said it, someone brought up, one of the adults said, like if you were like stranded in the snow on a mountain and it came down to having to eat the people that you were with, what part would you eat first? And my mom, just without missing a beat, goes, I guess the penis, because at least I'm used to that.

Oh my God, how old were you? Like 11. That is a really like dirty funny joke. Yes that's why I remembered it. Were you appalled or were you laughing? I didn't know what to make of it. You don't really know what to make of that but uh you know. I thought they were going to say which family member would you eat. No no it was very specific and I was like yeah well that that kind of discomfort is what drives drives me to be funny I guess do you think you would eat one of your cats if something happened? No, or which one would do you have if you had no I can't I wouldn't you had to If I had to eat a cat if which one would it be I guess Sam is he the one you've had the least amount No, I he's just he's just a little dumb. Oh my God, you're going by the knowledge

of what would be happening. By the charm factor. I would go on the meat of how big. Oh, that's smarter. He is the plumpest one. Okay, good. Yeah, I don't want to think, I don't eat any meat anymore.

Yeah, by the way, I wouldn't want to eat an animal. I don't eat meat. You don't either? Unless it's a chicken that's been organic. Oh, a well-treated chicken? A well-treated. Last night I was like, oh, I only eat chicken if it's locally killed, but I meant like.

Yeah, like. Not like killed in the area, like locally sourced. Oh, free range. Free range, had a good life. Happy chicken. Happy chicken. And it's only because I feel like I need it. Yeah, but that's the only meat you eat?

Yeah, I don't eat meat. Yeah, it's been a couple of years, I don't eat any. Yeah. It's all right. People are crazy about meat and I just feel like they're- It's a new thing. Yeah, it's a new thing. It can't be good for you.

And people argue with me, but time will tell. Yeah. I mean, it's all relative to your own body chemistry. If you're gonna sit there, these people are eating raw organ meat in the morning. It's like, dude. Some people only eat meat, bowls, bowls of meat. I know.

I listen to like a health podcast and the person, I'm not gonna say the name of the podcast, but I will say the person eats so much meat. It's all she eats. She's like a bowl of meat in the morning. I'm like, a bowl of meat. A bowl of meat. And then they're on Instagram saying like yummy.

And you're like, in what world? I know. And you're taking in the, well this is what my friend told me last night, when you're eating meat, you're taking in the energy of that animal. The fear. Yeah. Yeah, totally. That's scary.

Yeah, just a fear burger. Enjoy. And by the way, burgers always made me sick. Really? Well don't they? Didn't they make you? No, I mean like I can't say that I didn't enjoy meat. They taste good, but I'm saying, didn't it not sit they make you? No, I mean, like, I can't say that I didn't enjoy meat. They taste, it tastes good, but I'm saying, doesn't it,

didn't it not sit well with you? No. The idea of it? No, not quite. Okay. Not quite. You know where it really landed? Like, I mean, I understood that,

but like, I didn't become a vegan, you know, necessarily for totally ethical reasons. Oh, okay. I just wanted to see how it would feel and what it would do. Oh, interesting. Okay. It's gotten more ethical as time goes on. Like, you know, what happened was I was eating those, those bone-in rib eyes,

like a rib eye steak that still had the, Oh, you loved it. The tomahawk steak. You loved meat then. Well, yeah, but there was that one day where it was sort of like, that's just this chunk of an animal. Oh my God, yeah. And this whole piece of it, it's right there.

It's really, it's really, well, in America, they treat their meat so horribly and they put so many hormones, it's really not good for us. So yeah, if you're in- And some, they don't treat a lot of their people that well, to be honest. That's true. But like you came on the comedy scene

and you're performing and stuff and I knew you were on hacks and stuff, but because I'm sort of out of certain loops, I'm like, where did she come from? This funny person. Well, thank you for the compliment. Do you think of me as an actor or a comedian? Like a standup?

I think of you as a funny person. Okay, I like that. Like when you were doing standup, I was like, does she do standup? Right, okay. But I don't even know if you were, if I knew you as an actor yet. Well, I like that keeping Like when you were doing stand-up, I was like, does she do stand-up? Right, okay. But I don't even know if you were, if I knew you as an actor yet. Well, I like that keeping you on your toes.

Yeah, you're just this, this phenomenon. Thank you. That means a lot. That's, I would love for people to think that's what I am. Cause I, I did improv and stand-up in Chicago for years. Really? Where do you come from? So I'm from Ohio.

Where? Um, well, I was born in Cleveland, and I grew up in Dayton, Ohio. I know Cleveland. Cleveland's, I feel like, the most fun part of Ohio, probably. Do you spend a lot of time in Cleveland? Yeah.

What's the name of that corned beef place? Hmm. I don't know. I'm not that good at the restaurant names, because I was born there, and now I go back to see my family, but what is? I always forget because like it was, it's this place.

What is the name of that? I don't know. It's this place. You're missing meat. You're missing meat. No, no, no, no. Are you sure? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's this place where I would do like radio shows to plug my gigs. What is that place? And then they'd be like, let's go get some corned beef. I'm like, it's nine in the morning. Like lunch meat, corned beef? Like. Well, that's just, they have, they just, it's all they some corned beef. I'm like, it's nine in the morning. Like lunch meat corned beef? Well, that's just, they have, they just, it's all they do at this place.

And you go, yeah. Really? I don't think I've been there. Slimans. Okay, I've never heard of that. Slimans corned beef. That is interesting. Yeah. And like, you could order, like,

I think you get corned beef and eggs, which is kind of a Jewish thing. I have to ask my dad if he knows that place, cause- Of course he knows Slimans. Of course they do. I mean, I feel like he woulded beef and eggs, which is kind of a Jewish thing. I have to ask my dad if he knows that place. Of course he knows Sliman's. Of course they do. I mean, I feel like he would eat something like maybe, my family all eats meat, so maybe they've eaten it. Here we go, Sliman's breakfast menu.

Here, two fresh eggs with home fries and corned beef. Two fresh eggs with corned beef. Two fresh eggs with corned beef hash. What would you get? I like corned beef hash. Okay. You know? What would you get if you went now, you wouldn't eat it? I wouldn't go there.

Yeah, exactly. But I used to do corned beef. Like the Jews do a corned beef and egg thing. I mean, if I ate meat, I definitely would try it. Sure. I don't think I've been there though. Then there was another place that just made the sausages in Cleveland.

It was like sort of, there was this, there was a grilled cheese restaurant. Is it called Melt? Yeah. I have been there. And that I was crazy for. You could get like a pierogi grilled cheese sandwich or like a pizza roll grilled cheese.

And of course you feel kind of sick after, but it's really good. Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of like adventurous food. I remember in Cleveland, there was a guy that was doing the sort of artisanal sausage business. And then you got Michael Simon, the master chef, who had restaurants down there by that club on that street down by the stadium, that one, 6th Street. Oh.

Yeah, it's like stuff. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I'll have to checkth Street. Yeah, it's like stuff. Yeah, yeah. I don't know, I'll have to check it out. Well, what's Dayton like? Well, Dayton is, Dayton, it just, there just wasn't that much going on. Yeah.

I think Cleveland was a lot more fun. My family's all back in Cleveland now. My dad has a tattoo shop in Cleveland called the Voodoo Monkey Tattoo. Wait, your dad's a tattoo artist? Yeah, and I have, and my brother does tattoos there and I have tattoos from both of them and that's the only people I want to tattoo me.

Does it say like, if found, return to? To voodoo monkey tattoo. She's one of ours. Yeah, that is a good idea for a tattoo. It took me a long time, do you have tattoos? No. No, no, no, no. I mean I everyone I know it's gotten to the point with tattoos I think that every woman I've dated over the last 20 years has had them Yeah, I'd be hard-pressed to tell you exactly what they are. Like I don't even really yeah

Registry like they don't register because like back in the day be like what the fuck? What is that tattoo? And now it's sort of like yeah What one of my girlfriends had an unfinished one for the entire time I knew her. I don't think she ever finished it. What was the tattoo? It was kind of disturbing. It was these two skulls with wings, but there was more to it that she never got done.

So they were just these two skulls with wings. I was once on a date with somebody. I don't know if I called a full date, but I will say that he had a noose tattoo around his neck. Oh God. that he had a noose tattoo around his neck. And I am interested in what that could mean because it did feel alarming. He seemed like he was kind of embarrassed about it. Does that mean something? Yeah, it means that, you know, that's a good question.

It's even what neck tattoos in general, or people who tattoo their face, it's like, do you not like you? Well, I was very, I'm not gonna say anything bad about the tattoo, but I will say I am alarmed. And I am curious about what it can mean. How long did you go out with that guy? It was only a couple of days. It was not working out, but.

Well, why didn't it work out? Well, you know, he, at the time, this was a long, long time ago, and I think, I think I was like, well, I definitely was like, not really interested in a boyfriend, I was more interested in women, but I still dated guys at the time. And I think I just was like, he was this firefighter,

and he seemed kind of nice, and he probably is nice, but he seemed like something was happening that I didn't understand. I feel like he like- Like a neck tattoo that was a noose? I feel like maybe he had a wife. Oh. I feel like something was going on.

He seemed betrothed to someone else. I don't think he felt available. He felt like maybe something, like he had a girlfriend or a wife. And if you're listening to this and I just told you that your husband's cheating on you, I'm really sorry, but I don't know what to say. A long time ago.

It was a long time ago, maybe he stopped. Yeah, maybe you're wrong. Yeah, maybe I'm wrong. He could have a girlfriend, he could just be not emotionally available. Sure, yeah. It was more so like he'd be like, let's go out, let's go out, and then I'd be like, okay,

and then he'd be like, I can't. There's a fire downtown. And I'm like, what? He has to go out to the fires. Yeah, you're fighting with fire. What is the new tattoo mean? Yeah, well, I mean, it means that- He was shy about it. Yeah, well, I mean, it means maybe he lives his life

on the edge. He's a firefighter. Well, the person that you dated with the unfinished skulls, could you at least tell they were skulls? Yeah. Why didn't she get them finished? I don't know, she was a little loopy. Okay.

And that's being diplomatic. Maybe they're together. No, I doubt it. The woman I'm with now has got several. She's got a doggy and she's got some other stuff. Like a dog she's had? The dog she loves, yeah. Oh. And a type of dog, she's a doggy person.'s got some other stuff like a dog. She's had a dog. She loves yeah

And a type of dog. She's a doggy person, but there's a bunch of other ones I'd have to really think about what they are. It's so weird that you just get used to them. Yeah, I know I don't get my arms. I only have three I have three but they're all my legs because I'm like, oh, I'm an actor I want to do less tattoo coverage than Kayla is always in a skirt on Hacks. So we're always doing it. But I have a bee with a wolf head, like a wolf head. Like a rabbit. And then I have a tattoo that says, baby, I'm a,

and then there's a star. And I think people think it's like a Prince song. Well, it is, but it's not why I got it. Are you happy with them? Yeah. I've only seen a few that I really like. I mean, some of them are cool. If you had one, what would you get?

I don't know, man. Like there was one, I knew a girl had a tattoo. It was just a little pineapple. And I thought it was nice. Cool, doesn't that mean like threesomes? What? Swingers or something? I don't know. It does doesn't that mean like threesomes? What? The swingers or something? I don't know, it wasn't. It does, it means swingers.

Pineapple? People used to put pineapples out to show their swingers. Put them out where? I don't know, around the house. Like it would be like a signal. You'd have a party and there'd be a pineapple like light up lamp.

I don't know if that was what it was. It is. It's a long time ago, it was the 90s. Yeah, that's where it was prime probably. Oh, I missed the sign. She was trying to swing. Well, we weren't that kind of, we were just friends. Oh.

And then I knew a girl who had Wendy the Pooh with his head stuck in the honey pot. I really liked that one. That's cute. That's a good one, yeah. I don't think that means anything weird. It just means like, you know, take it easy. Yeah, it means take it easy, have a snack.

Or just go easy on what you like. Oh. Okay. Oh, I thought you meant like, take it easy, have a snack. No, no, it's sort of like- You're saying take it easy, gladness. You've got your head stuck in that, you, yeah, gluttonous. You honey addict. Also, I asked ChachieBT for any tips on the podcast.

For this one? Yeah. You said Mark Maron's podcast? Yeah. What did it say? They said my name too. Well, first of all, I wanna say I'm not promoting ChachieBT.

Yeah. Because I know the environment. I wouldn't engage with it. It seems really cool, but I'm not gonna do it. It's really cool, but I will say, use it sparingly because it's really bad for the environment. But that being said, I did put our names in and it told me,

it told me that it's gonna be so electric because of our different personalities. Oh. But it said to show my vulnerable side. It said that you're gonna ask questions about anxiety and personal questions. And it said to hold back some of my wacky character, but then surprise you with it.

Isn't that creepy that it knows to do that? Yeah, well, are you gonna surprise me with the wacky character? Yeah, I can't wait to do my big impression later. But it said to show your vulnerable side. Oh, and it said you don't like PR talk. Oh, interesting. Do you not? Not on mine.

I mean, you know, we- It said you don't. Well, I think the idea is that these are long form conversations that aren't hinged to what some people are promoting. Where does it pull together that information? From everything that it's ever, and I'm not trying to entice you,

I know we shouldn't use it. No, no, no, my friend. You should not use it, don't use it. No, my friend, Laura, like she has very specific dietary needs, and she'll say like, I have these ingredients, how do I make a thing? And it'll just tell you.

Well, I don't wanna make it seem like I use it too much, but if you take a picture of your animal, it will tell you about its aura. Well, that, really? Yeah, and it's really right. Really? And you could put a picture of yourself in your face, and you could say,

pretend to be a Chinese medicine doctor and tell me what's wrong, and it's fully accurate. Come on. I know, it's pulling from everything online. And also these are prompts I saw on TikTok. So like, I'm just saying what's out there. I'm not saying to use it.

Don't use chat GBT. It's very, very bad for the environment. It's using a lot of water. Have you ever asked it, why should I use chat GBT? No, that'd be interesting. To have it like have a little meltdown. I think you can, if you ask it like, why is it bad? It will tell you why it's bad about the water,

how it uses it. Like it's fully just- It's just like tell you why it's bad about the water, how it's used it. Like it's fully just- It's just like a person. Yeah, these are the reason why you shouldn't date me. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But like I'm pretty cool. Yeah, but I can tell you about your animal's aura and I could read your palm.

You could read your palm. Yeah. But we shouldn't let it. I'm not gonna do it. Don't do it. If you're listening, I'm against it. So how long, so you're a kid and datin'? Yeah.

How many brothers and sisters? So I have two sisters and a brother. Really, it's a lot. Yeah, and I basically was kind of like- Are you the youngest, the oldest? I'm the oldest. Oh really? Do I seem like older energy or younger?

Could go either way. If I'm with my siblings, you could tell I'm the oldest. Like I'm very bossy to only them. Mothery, bossy. But in my real life, I can be sort of wild. Younger energy, younger sibling energy. But definitely very motherly. Was your mom around?

Yeah. Oh, mom around? Yeah. Oh, so you just kind of stepped in on occasion? I think it's, I just, I think I, I don't know what that is. It's an older daughter thing. Like how old is the youngest one? So my youngest sister is 22. Oh yeah. So we're, yeah.

Are they still in Ohio? Yeah. Yeah? Yeah. You're the only one who got out? I'm the only one, yeah. They're all in Ohio. Yeah. And they, yeah, who got out? I'm the only one, yeah. They're all in Ohio. Yeah.

And they, yeah, my mom is an amazing mother. My dad's amazing. They're not together, but I just was very bossy to them. Sure, well yeah, I guess you gotta fill in a little bit if they're separate. I guess, I don't know. Back and forth. Well, I guess I did babysit.

Yeah. Maybe it just meant your personality when you're the oldest. You just feel like you're your mom's like Like helper you're like sure you're the one that like is babysitting the rest Yeah, if like when you're a teenager make sure that one doesn't eat something rad And I also it's my personality because I was always really like Like cannot do anything bad like my cousins would smoke and I would be in the closet so I wouldn't see them smoke

so that if my mom asked me if they were smoking, I could say no. Like psychotic. And then I still couldn't lie. So I'd be like, stop asking me, please. Yeah, psycho. Bad position. Really anxious.

I like the way of kind of getting around it. Like, I'm just gonna go into the closet. That's a little crazy. It's very crazy because I still would be lying if she's like, are they smoking? She knew I wasn't. Yeah. And you should say, I don't know, I was in the closet.

Yeah, I was like, please stop asking me. This is so unfair. I cannot believe you're doing this to me. And they're like, okay, so they were. Like, otherwise you'd just say no. Oh, but how long, but like, how long has your dad been a tattoo guy? Since I was probably like six or seven, maybe seven or eight.

So he's in it early. So he got full sleeves and everything? He has, yeah, he has tattoos everywhere. But it's one of those things where I don't, if you said like, what tattoos does he have? He has so many. Yeah. Like.

Does he ever do his own? No. Oh. That would be so, people do their own though, don't they? I don't know. I think stick and poke. I have a friend that's done a stick and poke on himself. Like a jail tattoo? Is that what they're called?

I don't know, with the needle and the ink? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think that's like old school. Old school, you could do that, I guess, on your soul. So you grew up in tattoo culture. Yeah, I mean, I remember him doing like, and like working at a tattoo shop, just starting out, like learning how to do that, I guess, on your own. So you grew up in tattoo culture. Yeah, I mean, I remember him doing like, working at a tattoo shop just starting out,

like learning how to do it, like, and now he has his own shop, and my brothers learned how to do it. Are they all good? Do they have their own way of doing it? Yeah, I- Do they study different forms? I think it's like, I feel like it's like you,

well, my brother did go to different art programs in school. Yeah. But I think it's like you learn by doing it on pigskin. Oh really? Yeah, and I think then you just start doing it. I just don't know what you can live with. My brother got a bunch of tattoos and none of them are good. Really? Yeah, he's just like, it was impulsive

and he's got one on his back that he just saw on the wall. And I'm like, dude, what is that? No, I have to really think about it. Yeah. So when did your parents get divorced? How you were young? Probably when, yeah, like when I was eight. Oh, yeah.

And then you had to go back and forth? Yeah, I mean, it's so crazy when you're little because you're just like, oh, that's like, you just don't even remember. That's the way it is? Yeah. Yeah. And I also think so many people's parents got a divorce. Yeah, of course.

So it's so like normal. And then it's like, oh, I don't even really remember like us all living together. Right. I do, I have some memory of it, but I was seven, but do you remember like you you and all the little ones going off for the weekend to different houses? Yeah, I definitely remember being at my dad's a lot,

but we lived with my mom. Yeah. And- What'd she do? So she's a nurse, but she's very funny. Nurse. They're both very funny. My dad's sense of humor is like, he'd show us a lot of Pee-wee Herman in Divine.

Yeah, yeah. And weird stuff. Nurses have to have a good sense of humor. like, he'd show us a lot of like Pee-wee Herman in Divine. Yeah, yeah. And like weird stuff. Nurses have to have a good sense of humor. She's so funny. She's like, like me funny. Yeah. And what kind of nurse? Labor and delivery. Really? Yeah. And so it's like, I mean, that's really intense. Yeah.

And I went, so before I did comedy, I always wanted to perform. Like, I always wanted to be an actor. But when, before I was like, okay, I didn't have any money. I couldn't just move to LA and audition. So I was in school and I was taking nursing classes. You think about doing it? I think I was like, I wanna help people

if I can't do what I really wanna do. So I was in teaching classes and nursing classes. I was really bad at school and I was finally like, I have to just do what I wanna do. What happened? I started taking like an improv class. But like, why'd you turn on nursing? I just was, I couldn't, I, well, so when my sister gave birth, I passed out.

So I was like, I don't know if I could do it. I don't think they could have the nurses passing out. But I think I'd be a good nurse personality wise. I think I'd be fun, sweet, but the blood and the like, I'm like, I don't think I could do it. I mean, yeah. I don't know, I'm such a kind of limited adult. Cause I don't have kids.

I don't know, there would be no situation where I'd be watching someone give birth. Okay, okay. But people just do it. They do it every day. It's crazy. I don't know how people... It's pretty scary. Yeah.

Like, I think if I was pregnant, I definitely want kids one day to adopt, but if I was pregnant, I think I would be nervous. All the... Every day about the birth. I think people are. Yeah. But it's incredible. And I heard you can't... You don't even really remember the pain. I think people are. Yeah, but it's incredible. And I heard you can't, you don't even really remember the pain.

I think I would though. Yeah. What job would you have if you weren't doing what you're doing? I don't know. Maybe I'd be a professor. Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, I don't know of what.

Yeah, what would it be? You know, Mark related stuff. Maybe I could become a professor after I get done. In my mid-60s and teach a class on me. I could see that. Because I've done enough stuff. But couldn't you do like a comedy like- Class?

Yeah. Sure, I don't really think- Have you ever done that? Oh, teach comedy? Yeah. No, because who the hell wants to do it like me? There's, I'm no blueprint for success. People would love your class.

Yeah, but I can only teach what I do, and I'm not a household name or anything. You are. And you have certain households. You can't teach people to be funny, but you can teach them how to write jokes and stuff. Yeah, but I'm not a great joke writer. Like I just, like I do, like I do what I do and jokes evolve. You're writing it though as you're saying it.

That's right. So there's- That's something that you're born with. That's the first class. Yeah, just think of some honey stuff and then go try it. And if it doesn't work and you still believe in it, try it a different way. I try to do standup, like stand up like classic joke telling stand up.

Yeah, you're too unbounded. It was too, I couldn't. Too restricting? It was like, my stuff's very like persona, crazy person on stage. Like I have a show that's all about like me being, like running for president. So it's like a fake political rally.

That's a live show? Yeah. Okay. And so it's kind of more like I'm being this like, the whole story is like I'm a really rich actor who now wants to run to be president. It's very like making fun of Trump. And that's the kind of stuff I can write but if I tried to when I first started doing standup to be like, guys, they're selling beer at Chuck E. Cheese.

Wouldn't it be crazy if you're a mom at Chuck E. Cheese drunk? Here's my impression. Like, and it was not. So it was all impression driven. That's what you do? Not all, but I tried to do stories. I tried to like add in, but it wasn't my style. It wasn't your thing?

I was hard. It was making me feel cringe when I was trying to do it. Yeah. But watching it's not cringe. I don't like the cringe feeling. I like watching that kind of comedy. I know, but that's because they're doing it with confidence.

But that feeling of failing, bad. Of being like, oh, the teeth, the. Yeah, I don't know. But when did you decide to pursue it? Like shortly after you passed out when your sister had a baby? So I was in college, in and out of different classes. I did a lot of missionary work. Were you a religious person?

So I say that I'm a God girl, like I love God. Still? Yeah. But I was really like, I think I was really involved in my church and I don't go to church now but I- Did you grow up with it, Hevi? Yeah. Oh yeah?

Like what kind? Which church? Like I was, I like kind of grew up in a Pentecostal church. Really? And then in high school I got really involved in like a non-denominational like cool like pizza, pizza party. Like youth church? Yeah, like youth group.

But Pentecostal was that like, you know, fire and brimstone, passionate pastor, preacher guy. Yeah, it's like speaking in tongues. You did that? Yeah. You know, I saw a comment today on a- You should do a whole character just speaking in tongues. Well, it's really interesting

because I feel like if I, since I grew up around it, it's not scary to me, but I know that it's scary to watch if you hadn't or experienced it. Like it's very like supernatural. And I know some people fake it and it's like, people make fun of it, but it's interesting because I remember seeing it when I was a baby, like when I was little.

Yeah. So it's really interesting to grow up with that. And then in high school, the church I went to definitely believed in all of that. And I, I did something called YWAM, which is like a Bible school kind of. But it's interesting because I, like when I realized I was like a queer person

and was like kind of like not going to church, I feel even closer to God because I feel like I am like who I really am. Who you're supposed to be. Yeah. And I feel like it's confusing to people to have, I guess, a Christian, gay, but Democrat, independent person.

I think it's confusing. I was on a podcast, and I saw a clip today, and someone commented, she's a fake ally. She's a Christian fake ally and a horrible actress. And I'm like, like, she's a fake ally, she's a Christian fake ally and a horrible actress. And I'm like, well, I have like a girlfriend who I'm very committed to, like I'm fully like, I'm bi but mostly lesbian.

Like I, like not, I'm not just an ally, I'm literally part of the community. But I think it's confusing to people, which I get, because the church has hurt a lot of people, I think. It's confusing because there are different strands of political and religious ideology. But I think if you break it down to the spirit of Christ or the belief in one's individuality and connection to God,

why not do that without judgment? I think people get hung up on the Bible and what they kind of think the rules are. Well, and it is really painful when a church doesn't accept gay people. But also the people that are doing that poster, theoretically on your side, and they're like, just fuck you for being Christian, period.

Where without appreciating the spectrum of possibility within Christian belief. Right, where I'm like, I just think we're supposed to love God and love each other, take care of each other. And so I'm like, how is that bad? Yeah, end of story. Yeah, end of story. Yeah, yeah, well people are horrible.

Horrible, and I think they're like, she's lying. She's actually a Christian. I'm like, I'm not lying. I literally will tell you, I say I'm a God girl all the time and I love like women and having sex with them. Yeah, like you're some covert operative, you know, on the inside. Like you thought he caught me or something.

What would be the point of that? I know. I think people do it with Trump stuff, like by the way, this person you're following is a Trump supporter, I guess, but I'm not, and that's not what they're saying, so I'm like, is that what they're trying to do? But how was it to sort of,

was there a period where kind of coming to terms with your sexuality and in relation to the religion challenging? Well, it's interesting, because I just didn't know that about myself when I was in church. And I would go to church now if I had one. When you were younger, you mean?

Yeah, like I think when you're bi, you're like, well, I like guys and I'm supposed, people think you're supposed to if you're a woman, so I guess I'm straight. And then I think it was just me actually going after what I really wanted to do, which was performing, and then like. Oh, so that's when you got out

from under the family and the church. Yeah, I kind of was like, oh, I'm like, kind of like I'm living at home still. I kind of was like a late bloomer. Like I lived at home like till I was like 23. Yeah. And so I kind of like wasn't really dating. And you had a church going family.

I was actually the one that was like bringing people to church. My mom always went, but like I was the one like in high school being like, come on, like we're getting involved. Like I was like in just, I think. Always the same church? In high school, it was different than the one I grew up in.

I think I just always had God, but in high school I felt like I really fell in love like with God and like with the whole experience and community and I didn't know I was gay. And then when I was like, I'm gonna move and do comedy, I think I just was learning more about myself and started dating more seriously. I kind of dated but not, it wasn't my focus.

So you moved to where, Chicago? To Chicago. When you were 23? Yeah. And what drove you to do that? Did you do some comedy and dating? I did, I did an, I did an improv class at an improv theater and then started doing standup.

And the guy at the theater was kind of weird and like was very much like had the theater so he could perform. Yeah. And he was kind of like, you're gonna be crawling back to me. Yeah. To take these classes after.

Okay, pal. Yeah, I'm like, all right, see ya. But- Failed co-leader. That's what it felt like, kind of. And then I did comedy for seven, eight years in Chicago. Really? Yeah.

Like who were the people around at that time? Anyone is still out here or some people do? Yeah, you know, I feel like, I'm trying to think of the people that just left, like the people that were right before me. I feel like they were like Megan Gayley, Lisa Trager, like, and then I feel like, I feel like the people, like a lot of guys that are still there, I feel.

Were you doing like the Log Cabin? Is that what the name of that place is? The Lincoln Lodge. Yeah, Lincoln Lodge. I did, it was like such a big deal to be like, everyone wanted to be like a cast member. And then I finally got to be towards the last couple of years. At the Lincoln Lodge?

Yeah, at the Lincoln Lodge. It was an improv situation? No, it was because I did stand up too, but I did like weird stand up. Right, okay, character driven. Character driven, so they let me, I was like the weird person. Oh good, yeah, you're the weirdo.

She does the thing with the different voices. I came up with Sarah Sherman, one of my close, close friends. Oh she's great. Yeah. Yeah, she always tells me when she's- She's the best. Yeah, she's like, I'll be in LA, and I'm like, you wanna do the show?

And then I won't hear from her for months. She's literally my favorite person. No, she's great. So funny. And so like, I was kind of coming along with her and that crew. She was in Chicago? Yeah. Oh, okay.

She was like the same time as me. Oh wow. Yeah. So they had two weirdos. They had two weirdos, the weird freaks. But did you do improv as well? I did. So I did like Second City, but I didn't fully fit in.

I felt a little too weird and like misbehaving. Really? They like weird stuff, but I think I was at the time, like a little too weird and like misbehaving. Really? They like weird stuff, but I think I was at the time like a little too weird. Oh yeah? I fit in really well with like the annoyance crowd. Okay. I did IO like, I did every, I spent all my money on improv classes.

But you learned. And I learned. I loved Second City. It's a little more like structured of like the way they write their shows and stuff. So I just didn't like feel like it was, I felt a little bit like weird. But also there's weird people that love it there too. And feel accepted.

Did you put your own group together? I did that. I mean, I wrote a lot of sketch shows with different groups. Yeah. I did like, I didn't do a conservatory at Second City, but I did like the first full program there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then did, yeah, it was a lot of- So during that time, you came into yourself

and you negotiated with God. I just never felt ever judged by God about it. I never felt convicted about it in that way. I had only felt like, oh, is my cousin gonna say something weird or like? Never God though. It was just, yeah. And never my parents.

Like I feel very lucky that. And they were good? Yeah, my mom was like, oh, I thought you only liked women. Yeah. And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that I was coming off like that. What are you saying, mom?

I liked it. I thought it was such a good conference. I'm like, how did you know? Cause I definitely didn't. It seems funny when parents are just waiting for you to come around to tell them and they're like, yeah, well, yeah, of course. I don't think I ever seemed as interested in guys

as like my sister or like her or like other people in our family. Like I think like I didn't come across as the someone who like thought it was important to have a boyfriend. Right, right, right. And like, I think like I didn't come across as the, someone who like thought it was important to have a boyfriend. And like, I think that's like pretty normal for like straight women to like want a boyfriend. I think that probably made her feel that way.

Yeah, well, yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. So when does it start to work out? I think I was probably really bad for like three or four years. In Chicago. I think I always thought I was really good. But I think it was probably bad bad for like three or four years. In Chicago. I think I always thought I was really good. Yeah.

But I think it was probably bad for at least two years. And then I think, I actually remember a show that I did something that worked. And it was like, I did a PowerPoint presentation. As a show? As like for my set. And I think that was like, wait, I could do like other things, like whatever I want. What were you doing for money? I was a nanny.

Really? Yeah. Do you have to get a license for that? You don't get a license. You just get, you just form a bond and they trust you. Yeah. And I think I was, maybe it helped that I like, babysat a lot and like went to the sound.

How many families? I had one family I worked with for five years. I'm so bonded to them. And the other family I worked for for a year or so and I was bonded to them, it was like I still see them. I literally feel like they were my kids in another lifetime. I can't wait to be a mom.

I loved those kids. And you were part of their life for a long time, so they're gonna know you forever. I was really depressed when I left the job. Yeah. I was really like, really like, what do I do? I saw them every day, all day. What'd you do?

Why'd you leave? They were getting older. And I still needed money. If you were there, they were in high school. Hey, how's everything? What's up? Mom, when's the nanny gonna go? Yeah, like she's hanging around.

I think the little ones didn't know I was like paid to be with them. They were like, oh, it's like, yeah, like. It's a business operation situation. Yeah. But that's so nice that they know you. So you hear from them now they see you on TV? Yeah, well I think they're not,

some of them aren't old enough to watch Axia, but I think they show them like weird commercials, I think. Yeah, yeah. And the older ones watch, so it's probably bizarre. So, but when do you kind of make your break? How does that happen? Did you start? Because you came up in a world that's not like my world.

You didn't, it wasn't on TV. You weren't doing talk shows. You weren't doing comedy clubs. Yeah, I feel like before it used to be like, you'd have to get like a manager from like doing a festival, right? Or like- Well, just some way, somehow to get into show business.

Cause it was, you know, a specific path. But then all of a sudden it all broke open and you're kind of of that generation where it's kind of on you. I feel very lucky. I think it just happened where I started posting, I did like, I started posting some videos online and I have this- On Instagram?

Yeah, I have this fake YouTube talk show, the Megan Stalter show that helped me, I think, get a manager. And then I think it helped me, like, I was meeting, comedians helped me too. Like they put you on their shows when you go to New York. I feel like I did like Kat Cohen's show and like that helped me just like be like,

oh, I'm in New York. Like the show's amazing and so fun. Maybe I wanna live here one day. I feel like your friends, like the three busy Debra's, I feel like had my manager and like helped me. Oh yeah. But what happened was during COVID, I was posting a lot of videos

and I was going Instagram live every night with a new theme. It'd be like, we're going to Paris tonight and I'd be like in a beret. And it would, that's why like people saw my stuff. Cause I was going Instagram live every night with like a crazy, it'd be like, it's Disney orientation and I'm gonna hire you to work at Disney

and it'd be literally like two hours of improv. Do you just be riffing? Yeah. Just improv-ing? Yeah. I did Instagram lives and I still think I got a lot of audience from that, but you know. Oh, it's, yeah.

But like mostly, like I think a lot of middle-aged women who are kind of angry. You think? Yeah. And creative. That's interesting. They kind of locked into like whatever my vibe was at the time.

Do you feel like your fans are mostly women that are mad? No, I just think there was a sensitivity because I wasn't really doing set pieces or comedy. I would just sit on my porch and almost run like a daily kind of chat show with myself. I see, yeah. I'd walk around the house and they got to know my cats and I'd play records for them.

And I was going through some tragedy, a loss at the time, and they kind of locked into that. But eventually, people get too weird. People in the comments get weird? Well, they just, they develop a parasocial relationship. Oh yeah. And that got a little intense for me, I think. You felt, did, would they message you and you'd be like,

okay, like I don't know this person. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. There's a group of people that met through my Instagram live that are best friends. Well, that's nice. And I thought that was pretty nice and sweet. Like that made me feel good. Some messages, of course, feel weird.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you gotta not read them, right? But it's hard not to, because you want to. Yeah, I think I read everything. But you did that the whole pandemic and that built an audience for you. You became like a phenomenon? I think that helped me, like definitely helped me

I do like weird like brand deals. And then I definitely feel like for Hacks, they saw my videos, but I also really hit it off with Paul at like a standup show. And I think that helped me. I did not send a good audition tape for Hacks. It's really badly shot, very blurry, horrible outfit, dogs barking in the background,

but maybe it's like very Kayla for me to send. Very funny character. Thank you. And you're still doing all the live shows. Yeah. And how is your anxiety level? I will say that I have developed a shaky hand. I feel very anxious, but I also have learned a lot

about relaxation in the last couple months. That has helped. I feel like very anxious. I'm not on medication, but I've done acupuncture recently. Yeah. That's helped. I've gotten like back massages where before I never would do that. And I feel like it helps my anxiety.

Well, have you always had it? You know, I've- I'm only talking about this cause chat GPT. I know, I knew that you would say this cause of what chat GPT said you would. But I talk about anxiety a lot lately. Oh well chat GPT knows. Yeah, cause I've been dealing with,

I've had it all my life, but now it's been very specific lately. Why do you think it's been, like, I feel that too. Just like what's going on in the world makes you anxious, you feel? No, I think what my brain does is that it realizes the world is frightening

and a real reason to be anxious or scared. But I think my brain's sort of like, well, we can create more anxiety just in your life and that'll counter the anxiety. I do feel my anxiety comes from personal stuff that is not a big deal. Like personal, I could definitely loop in my head about like, did I say, I should apologize for this thing

because like, oh, I missed this text. Should I say sorry about missing the text? Or should I just talk about something else in the text? Like I definitely have like ADHD. Well, that's what some people think I have, but I do like sort of like, oh fuck. I get a lot of dread of like, not even because I'm scared of something,

but it's like, oh fuck, I gotta do that thing tomorrow. Oh my God. It's not even not wanting to do it. It's just sort of like, it's like, it's gonna happen, man. Have you tried acupuncture? Yeah, at different points in my life for different reasons. You didn't like it. It's okay. Yeah.

Or else I'll just, I'll start to get paranoid about stuff and just loop that shit. You know what you have to do with acupuncture though? You have to be ready for like being open to it really working. Like your self talk really changes it. If you're ready to have like, I'm gonna ascend and be like floating during this,

it really does make you feel okay. Sure, but how's that helped me like this morning? Cause you feel so relaxed after. But you going every day? You go every day? You go every day. No, no, you can't go every day. You go once a week if you really need it though. If you have the luxury.

I found a pretty affordable place. Yeah, yeah I don't know. But, or back massages. I have a buddy, his wife's an acupuncturist. I went there once, I had some pain, she wanted to give it a try. It's very scary at first, I think. I did, years ago in San Francisco,

for trying to quit smoking, and no, I felt it, it definitely knocks you out. Walking helps? I do a lot of exercise, I'm okay. I've lived with it my whole life. Do you take medicine? I just started taking a little bit of medicine. What does it feel like?

I've always been interested but scared. Well, I'm not taking a heavy one, I'm not taking an SSRI, I'm taking a little bit of medicine. What does it feel like? I've always been interested but scared. Well, I'm not taking a heavy one. I'm not taking like an SSRI. I'm taking a very specific thing that it doesn't work for a lot of people. It's like a 50-50 chance. Oh, interesting. It's only for anxiety.

Has it helped? I think so. I think it's stopped some of the looping. Do you sleep well? Yeah. Okay. Because I was going to say sleeping makes me, if I don't get enough sleep, I get anxious. I don't sleep a lot. Do you sleep well? Yeah. Okay. Cause I was gonna say sleeping makes me, if I don't get enough sleep, I get anxious.

I don't sleep a lot, but I sleep well. You drink a lot of coffee though. Yeah. That could be it. That could increase your anxiety. Yeah, I'm on coffee, I'm on the nicotine pouches. Yeah, that can help. I know it's so funny.

I just kind of look past that. I'm like- No, it's coffee. Coffee makes me so shaky. I could barely drink it, even though I love it. But I'm shaking look past that. I'm gonna like- No, it's coffee. Coffee makes me so shaky. I could barely drink it, even though I love it. But I'm shaking like a leaf. I could literally like pass out. I don't wanna-

I know. But that really like- Yeah, but I've been off everything before. And then it's just sort of like, well, what's the point of life? I love coffee. I have to still have some in the morning, but I will say, if I don't eat enough food with it

I will be shaking and anxious and feeling like I'm gonna pass out Yeah, just everything if I don't do it, I know Like I used to do real drugs and I haven't done those doesn't coffee feel like a drug though kind of it is a drug Yeah, it is. Yeah, I mean, but it's not gonna ruin my life, right? You know, and I don't have to go to some bad neighborhood to get it. Exactly, that's the way, it's like a drug they're selling at like cafes. Of course, yeah, it's a drug everybody can have.

Well now weed's like that too, but I can't do that. I would not be good on weed. Yeah, I don't. I don't do anything, I don't drink, I don't do drugs. I'm sober. I don't do anything. I used to. Well see, it never agreed with me. Yeah, that's a nice way to look at it. Like, you know, it's an acquired taste, not from me.

It's not, it feels like it would be nice, the idea. Oh, it could be fun. No, it's not fun. And it's also poison and no one should do it. What, drugs? Drugs, alcohol. Yeah, it's kind of poison. None of it.

Yeah, but so you manage it. Yeah, I don't know, I just got to this point, like at my age where I think a lot of it is just stuff that doesn't serve me anymore in a way. You know, don't know, I just got to this point at my age where I think a lot of it is just stuff that doesn't serve me anymore in a way. I know why I was panicky earlier in my life, but things worked out okay, and I can't seem to let them be okay.

That's the other thing, you're up against old you. Do you feel like your anxiety has gotten worse, like since you said you've always had it, or less than? It's gotten better, but it's gotten more specific. Like, cause I can logically see like, well, this thing worked out. You don't have to worry about this. Like there's a list of things that are okay that weren't always okay. So why are you still freaking out?

It's so interesting. What are the topics that you freak out about? Um, let's see. It's so interesting, what are the topics that you freak out about? Let's see, well like you said, there's things that I've said or I've done and I'm like, oh fuck. Yeah. How did that, what is that person thinking? Is it little stuff though?

It's like how I said something and they're taking it, yeah, a certain way. Yeah, but I can spiral about that. Or my cats, when I'm away, like, oh no, something's gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it's all stuff your head's making up. I mean, yeah, it's possible,

but it's not necessarily, it's not probable. Doesn't do us any good to worry about it, huh? I know, but my brain doesn't like to not be engaged. I should do something better with it. Does it help to go on a walk if you feel that way? Kinda. I find if I don't exercise, more so I just feel uncomfortable in my body

more than the mental things. Like if I don't exercise, I feel sedentary. Oh yeah, yes, yes, yes. I just feel like I wanna claw out of my fucking skin. A little walk always cures a lot for me. Oh good. But I will say I have an incredible amount of anxiety, but I don't, but first of all, well, I feel the-

What'd you say, you got a handshake now? I feel like my hands get a little shaky sometimes if I feel like, first of all, the coffee, my hand will shake if I'm drinking coffee and didn't eat enough. I feel, yes, that I'm experiencing some physical reactions that make me go, it's time to get another acupuncture appointment.

Okay, yeah. Or it's time to go on a walk, and it helps. I'm glad that you can handle, you can deal with it that easily. No, it's not always easy though. My fear of taking medicine is bigger than, I agree that if I took a medicine, I think it could help me, right? But I'm scared a bit. It took me 60 years. Yeah. I was going to say, there's reason,

like, I feel like people like, I feel like a big pharma wants to sound a lot of medicine. Sure. Right. So I get scared. But then again, I know there's certain medicines that change people's lives and make things easier. So I just need to know what's right for me. A lot of times they're designed to try to help people. Yes, exactly. Sure, it's a business, but you know, on some level. But on some level, it's life-changing, right?

Yeah, it's an advance. Yes, so it's not easy to manage it without medicine, but. Everything inside me is slowly talking me out to staying on this medicine, but fortunately. Why are you scared about it? Well, because if you're a creative person. Yeah, that's what my, yeah. You know, you don't wanna be tempered,

you know, like, or, you know, hemmed in by, you know, some sort of desensitization. But this medicine doesn't really do that. I was gonna say, you seem very creative. No, no, I'm good. If only they're on a few weeks. On a few weeks. But the thing, no, I'm good. I've only been on a few weeks. Yeah, okay.

But the thing, I think it's kinda fucking with my memory a little bit. Interesting. Because they don't really know how these things work. Yeah. They're just sort of like, I don't know, give it a try and we'll see. But this one doesn't stay in your body. It doesn't... Well, I like the sound of that.

Yeah, it doesn't fuck with your brain in know, brain in the long term, supposedly. Maybe it's keeping you from remembering something you didn't wanna remember. Yeah, but no, no, it's not like that. It's just sort of words aren't coming. Oh, it's like, what day of the week is it? Oh, okay, okay. Stuff you wanna remember.

Yeah, old, that could just be old man stuff. But like, I don't know. I don't know if it's working, but the side effects and the downside of this particular one didn't seem daunting. That one sounds good. Yeah, but like, I don't wanna say that. You don't,

because you don't want it to like get into a place where you're like, is this affecting me in this creative way? Well, it's not even the creative thing. I just like, if I don't feel it working, like the fact that I'm sort of spiraling about whether the medicine- But that medicine takes like a month or so, right?

I don't know, not necessarily. They just say that. And I think they just say that because there's an outside chance that you think it's working. And then in a month of doing that, maybe it is working, maybe it isn't. But.

Well, I heard you on your podcast talk about your cat and my dog's on Prozac. Oh, you gotta give it to him every day. That has been life-changing for my dog. See, so how does that not translate to people? Well, cause she has not lost herself. She is not sedated. Like she has not lost her spark.

Like she literally is able to let us be in a different room now without her. Like I used to have to pretend to go to bed so I could leave the house. Really? Yeah, she was so anxious. She's a shelter dog. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But she, the Prozac for her has been amazing. She just takes a little bit every day. Oh, is it hard to give it to her? Yeah. Every day is a new way of me trying to sneak it in her little mouth. How long has she been on it? She's been on it probably at least eight months. Yeah, I just couldn't, my cat just like

got knocked out so hard. Why, on Prozac? Yeah. Not Gabapentin. Well, no, Gabapentin I think is better in my mind, but I don't know, we're gonna see. Gabapentin to me was more like knockout, sleepy, right? No, I know, but like, but for me it's situational.

My cat, most of the time is fine. It's when I leave. Yeah, oh, okay, yeah. That it happens. So like, Gabapentin's not a bad option. Cause it's like, it wears off. Yeah, yeah. You can give it to her one day and not again for a year.

That's right, that's right. And I've been giving her this supplement, him. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. It's all right, but I just, it's all right. He's not hung up on pronouns. It's okay, good, sorry, sorry. It's all right. But I just, it's all right. He's not hung up on pronouns. It's okay, good. Sorry, sorry.

He comes in here, he's like, hey. You know who I am. Yeah. I know you can call him it or asshole. Why are animals she to me? Animals are usually she for some reason in my mind. I don't know. Well, I mean, that's your own issue.

He, he, he, him, he, him. He was- Don't worry, that's your own issue. He, he, he, him, he, him, he, he was. Don't worry, Charlie's okay. Charlie, also Charlie's gender neutral, kind of, no? Sammy is. The other two are kind of like, Sammy's probably a they. Okay, they them, they them, he, they, they.

He'll go either way. Sammy will. You have not, so Charlie's on now. Nothing, he's on a supplement. Okay, okay, okay, that's what I thought, yeah. Zilkeen. Okay, I like a supplement for them too, animal. We'll see, he's just such, he's a crazy man.

What does he do when you leave the house? Start scratching? No, he starts like, you know, shitting everywhere. Shitting everywhere outside the litter box? Yeah, he gets colitis. Oh my God. He beats up on the other cats. Oh my God, I didn't know box. Yeah, he gets colitis. Oh my God. He beats up on the other cats. Oh my God, I didn't know that.

Yeah, he goes nuts. The last time I, when I- That's how attached he is to you? I guess so. Cats aren't even usually that attached. I don't know what it is. How long have you had him? Since he was two weeks old.

Oh my God. He's almost three. I found him, he was a little ball of fur under my steps. He's part of a feral litter. And she was moving them somewhere. And I'm like, I'm gonna take this one. And he's just naturally, naturally attached to you. Yeah. Was he taken from his mother too soon?

Yes. Okay, so maybe he's like, you're his mommy. Well, my girlfriend, you know, like nursed him. Like she took care of that, the sort of like every four hour thing until that was done, then he came over here. But I've had him, yeah, since then. Is that not crazy that trauma can be held

in even an animal's body? Like, that my dog, even though she's lived with us now for almost two years, she still remembers what it's like to be in fear at the shelter. Yeah, well that's different, you know, like depending on how the other owner treated them. But like this, like, you know, the sort of no mother thing, I don't know if it reads the same way as trauma,

but because you kind of fill this void, it's not the same, but it's not terrifying. But he scary attached you because it's not just that you're his owner, you're his mom. Sure. And your girlfriend's probably his mom. So he holds Trump of like, wait, I don't want my mom to go too soon, because you're his mom.

Well, yeah, I never gave him the correct type of detachment for him to become his own guy. But how could you? No, I know, I'm not a cat. Yeah, exactly. My mom didn't even do that for me. That's why I'm fucked up. Also, you saved his life.

I know, totally. But he, in his body, is like, my mom left too soon, now you're my mom, and now you cannot leave, or I'm gonna freak out. Yeah, I don't know if that's the tone. You're gonna, I'm gonna freak out. Yeah, it's like, where are you going? Yeah, oh.

Is he here, did he die? Yeah. What happened to him? My dog thinks I'm dead if tone. You're gonna freak out. Yeah, it's like, where are you going? Yeah, oh. Is he here, did he die? Yeah. What happened to him? My dog thinks I'm dead if I leave the room. I think they all do. Yeah, they do. I used to try to do a joke about that. Like when you leave, after a couple days,

they're like, I guess he's dead. After like a couple minutes, if I come home, the dog's like, where have you been? Where are you now? Like, why don't leave again? Well, then mine's not that crazy. Oh, okay. It's just that he's attached to me,

the other two are attached to each other. To each other, boyfriends. Yeah, so when I leave, he's sort of like, well, I guess I'm the king. I think it's more of that. It's like, finally that guy's out of the way. Whose house is this now? Let's see.

Oh my God. Is he the oldest? No, he's the youngest. But you know cats and animals in general, there's gonna be someone that rises to the top? No, he's the youngest. But you know cats and animals in general, there's gonna be someone that rises to the top of like the boss. I know, but that's what's happening is when I leave,

he fights it out with the other guy. You should have a animal psychic on your podcast. Everyone tells me I should get that guy Galaxy, Jackson Galaxy. I don't know who that is. He's like the cat whisperer. You have to. It's getting to that point.

We'll see how it goes when I go away this time. You should have a podcast where the psychic's in here and the cats are in here. That'd be so fun. I don't want a psychic, I want a behavioralist. Well, I think a psychic could talk to the cats though and be like, stop doing that, right? Maybe.

I don't know, I tend to not do the kind of flighty stuff. Okay, do you not think it's real? No, it's not that I don't think, I tend to not do the kind of flighty stuff. Okay, do you not think it's real? No, it's not that I don't think it's real. You don't wanna do it. But I feel like my cat is like me. Like Charlie reacted to medicine the way I did, that way I would. Interesting. Like when he was on the Prozac,

I could tell that it muted him. I could tell he was having the same impulses that he used to, but he couldn't follow through with them. And I'm like, that's gotta be more frustrating than being pissed off. I don't know if I'm projecting that. Oh, I see what you're saying. Like, yeah, that's so interesting.

I wanna, maybe not. Oh, and you wanted him to, if you wanted to, to do it. Exactly. Oh, so sad. I know. Okay, I'm glad he's not on it. Yeah. All right, so, okay, well, I think we did know. Okay, I'm glad he's not on it. Yeah.

All right, so, okay, well, I think we did it. You feel all right? Yeah, I feel like, do you feel like people are gonna watch Too Much? Of what? The show Too Much? Yes! Yes!

It's a good title, I think. No, it's funny. Yeah, it's about being too much. It's just very funny. It's a completely perfect showcase for what you do. Thank you. And I think it was hilarious. And Lena is just the most amazing writer.

Yeah. The whole script is so incredible. Yeah, and it's nice to see her again. And there's a lot of those sort of like, kind of like, there's a total sort of commitment to shamelessness that she's very good at. It's also interesting because everyone rewatched Girls.

Like this past year, there's like a Girls Rewatch podcast that everyone was like so crazy about. It was so funny. Like I just saw clip after clip of people rewatching. I think like Gen Z people like discovered Girls. Yeah, yeah. And I watched when I was in my 20s, while it was coming out.

It was quite a social event, girls. Yeah. Well, I'm glad she's doing okay. Yeah, I love her. Yeah, I haven't talked to her in a long time. Oh, good. Well, I hope you, I wish you good luck with it. Thank you.

But I do think people watch it, because it is very funny. I'm really proud of it, and guess what? Unluckiest girl in the world to be a part of Hacks. Yeah, totally. That's it, and you guys are writing another season now. I can't wait. I'm so excited to see what happens.

I watch it too. And I love Hannah and I love Gina. They're incredible. Everyone's good. All right, take care. Thank you, this is so fun. ["The Last Supper"] There you go.

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listening habits are unique. Some people are always catching up. There have been people that have missed shows of mine that I've promoted for months, then they're like, why, I didn't know you were coming and I don't know what else to do. And also, you know, I'll keep Instagram alive, and you know, I'll just have to see. I mean, there's plenty of guys who do comedy that aren't on any of these things, and usually Live Nation has a pretty good publicity muscle,

but I find that I would say maybe half of the people that show up to my shows, it's not because they hear me promote it on the podcast. But I guess I'll see. But there are other avenues. But I don't know that even given the history of the show that this has been the one that gets asses in the seats necessarily. To get that episode plus every bonus episode we do twice a week, sign up for the full Marin. Just go to the link in the episode description or go to WTFPod.com and click on WTF+.

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