WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 509 - Romany Malco

Episode Date: June 25, 2014

Fresh off the success of Think Like A Man Too, actor Romany Malco finds out how a chance encounter on an airplane can lead to an in-depth sit-down in the garage. Romany and Marc cover everything, from Trinidad to trailer parks, from Southern Hip-Hop to selling male enhancement pills, from comfort food to corporate hegemony. All of it. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Lock the gates! All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fuck nicks? What the fucksters? What the fuckeristas?

What the fuckstables? All right, that's fucking enough. Sorry, kids. Sorry, parents. That's a lot of fucks in the first five or ten seconds of this show. It's full fucking on. I apologize. It's Mark Maron. This is WTF.f thank you for listening i hope you enjoy my show what have i got to tell you right out of

the gate well if you listen to that pre-show announcement i think we answered everyone's questions for those dates where i hit those amphitheaters where some of you thought i was playing myself flattered as i said but not true uh it seems that the tickets for the Oddball Comedy and Curiosity Festival, of which I will be part of on some of those dates, go on sale Saturday at LiveNation.com. So those would be the ones I'm on. Those would be the ones in Tampa and all those other ones. Why don't you have your website up, man? Maybe that'd be helpful for people to listen to you, say the things that you want them to go see and maybe be part of if you had the dates in front of you. Don't talk to me like that. Don't sass me. I'm just trying to help. Who the fuck are you? I'm you, asshole. All right. This has been fun. We should be a comedy team. All right. Well, let's go to the calendar. Let's go to the calendar now. Tonight, I am in Bloomington,

Indiana at the Comedy Attic. Tomorrow, I'll be there too on Saturday. And then the oddball dates are Tampa, Florida, Charlotte, North Carolina, Atlanta, Georgia. Then I'm back in Charlotte at the Comedy Zone. And then I'm at Red Rocks in Denver for the oddball. I'll be at Mountain View, California, Irvine, Dallas, Houston, and Austin. So those all go on sale Saturday. That's my understanding at LiveNation.com. Glad we settled that. All right, today on the show, from the new film,

and I don't say that too often, but you know him from a lot of things, but he is in Think Like a Man 2. Romney Malco, maybe some of you know him from Think Like a Man, the first one, or some of you know him from 40-Year-Old Virgin. That's where I know him from. I ran into him on a plane, and I was like, you're that guy. He's like, holy shit, I love your show. And I'm like, you're on it.

Let's do it. He's on the show today. And I'll tell you, man, I didn't know what to expect, but it was full on. It was a full-on conversation about a lot of shit. I learned a lot about rap music that I didn't know I was going to learn. We learned a little bit about politics, a bit about uh the uh the black man in politics according to romney malco we learned uh what else did we learn we learned about acting we learned about fishing we learned about trinidad we learned about the marines i don't even i don't want to i don't want to spoil anything

i feel like i've spoiled a lot already great guy great talk coming up around the bend that was a really out of tune um opening riff to up around the bend by creed and square water revival thank you thank you to those who were able to identify that i appreciate that another thing i want to mention is that my buddy Bill Sheft, he's a writer and he was the he was a writer on Letterman for like 25 years. He used to do, you know, there's an interesting story about Sheft and you'll hear that story on a future WTF, but he's got a book that's dropping this week. It's called Shrink Thyself.

It's a novel about getting rid of psychotherapy and living the unexamined life. You can get that at amazon.com. You can get that now. That's Bill Sheff's book, and he will be on WTF soon. That was a great conversation. I'm trying to figure out whether or not I'm close enough to you guys to tell you this thing about my dick, because I'm not that kind of guy. That's not really true.

I mean, I've shared things about my dick before, but not so specifically. Let me think about it. Right now, I'd like to share with you a little something because I'm telling you what I'm doing right now. I'm breaking in a new pair of pants. And I know some of you who follow me know that that's a big deal. Breaking in some pants. And you're like, what kind of pants, Mark?

Well, they're black jeans. Classic black selvage jeans. Where'd you get those are those emma jean willies no you know why they're not because um the pocket on the ass of my emma jean willies went out you know it blew out i blew out the pocket from driving too hard on my walking and sitting on stools from sitting on stools with my wallet in my back pocket this is stand-up related uh wear and tear of my ass pocket in my jeans my wallet kept falling out fell out on stage in albuquerque new mexico it was incredibly distracting to a good deal of the audience i lost about 10 minutes of good material because people were wondering when i would notice

my wallet was on the floor can't have have that happen. That's a professional liability to have an ass pocket blow out where your wallet can fall out and just capture the imaginations of an entire audience of adults. Can't have that happen too often. So I call Imogene and Willie. I email them. I say, what's up? You know, you guys are a special pant.

You made these pants. What do I got to do to get the blowout in my ass pocket fixed? They said, send them out here. Wash them first, please. Don't sell us your stinky ball jeans. Wash them, and we'll fix it in three to four weeks. I went, three to four weeks? I need to get this ass back up on a stool before then.

You can't have my pants up on the lift for that long. How long does it take to fix an ass pocket? back up on a stool before then you can't have my pants up on the lift for that long how long does it take to fix an ass pocket so i decided to poke around the internet and i found i look i look up denim repair los angeles i figured there's got to be some specialty operation and sure enough i come up with this place called schaefer's garment hotel and i'm like what up with that got some good yelp reviews this guy seems like a denim genius so i go over there and i show him the uh the blowout in my ass pocket on the emma jean willies we talk salvage for a little while and then i talk about billy gibbons i turn him on to my show this cat's a good cat i think

his name's robert he says yeah i can fix that blowout in your ass pocket probably inside 10 days it's gonna cost a little bit how much could it cost i don't buy much folks let me get my ass pocket blowout fix for for what seems to be an exorbitant amount of money some of you are like i would have sewn it myself yeah but this guy is a specialist gotta give it to the doctors you know if you got a problem go to a specialist so i gave it to robert over there it's schaefer's garment hotel turns out he's making his own pants over there he's got some selfish denim jeans classic style he's got some indigo denim he's got some classic black denim heavyweight black's got some indigo denim he's got some classic

black denim heavyweight black denim and i'm like holy fuck look at those i haven't seen those in a while he's like yeah we make them right here i get that denim from japan feel it i'm feeling it hell yeah bring it let's get some of them pants i didn't know you were making pants over here robert he's like yeah man we make real pants and he's got a guy that makes hats over there he's got a couple of dogs that hang out and some guitars. How does all of a sudden the image that I've been sort of doing, you know, without knowing anything as a whole store for it. I'm not a hat guy, but I'm a guitar guy, not a dog guy, but I can appreciate a dog in a store, especially one that sells denim and boots and shit. But I't buy them like the unbroken and these are fresh denims they're stiff and i'm in them right now and i'm waiting for my ass pocket blowout to

be fixed so i'm going i'm going out of town i'll be at bloomington showcasing my unbroken in black denim pants did i set up the dick thing i should probably go into the dick thing is that okay kids step out so you know i had this woman over and i had minor tragedy in the bathroom and it was it was it was it was a tough call what to do but it was okay i have never had the type of std that would create a sore on your schlong on your junk as the kids say never had a sore on my junk okay now i never got that dirty or stuck my my thing into the wrong place so here's what i'm doing all right this i don't know this bathroom humor literally if it's even humor it's just a story i don't even know why i feel compelled to share it with you but i seem to be in it i seem to be doing it

okay all right this is embarrassing but why is that it's never stopped me before so i got this girl over and i don't know her that well and she's younger than me and she's clean and pretty and uh you know sometimes smells are not to be shared until later and sometimes you don't you want to let on that you do that, even though I talk about it. It was something I just had to stifle, stifle that. So I'm in the bathroom. I do my business. I figure I'll be polite.

I'm going to light a match. So I had some wooden matches on the back of the toilet there. So I'm sitting on the toilet. I light the match. I wave it out and then i go to put the match out in the toilet between my legs and i stick the the smoldering ember of the tip of the match right on to the top of my dick and i branded it this was not a good situation i had another day with this person and now i've got something that is going to appear much like a shanker of some kind on the head of my tool.

So now I've got to cop to this. I've got to walk out of the bathroom and go, I just stuck a hot match onto my cock. And that's something you and I are going to have to deal with. And I'm willing to sort of ride it out. I'll be fine, but I need you to know that's what that is. So be careful. I guess what I'm saying. Sometimes politeness can burn your dick.

Is that the moral to extrapolate from that? Is that where we go from there? I'm ashamed that I shared that story. It's going to be fine. It's getting better. Thank you for asking. Right now, I am more than pleased to share with you now my conversation with Romany Malco. Had a great time. And I had

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in Rock City at torontorock.com Good cat. I did this interview for this magazine. I'm not going to say their names because they don't deserve it. But the headline that they chose to use, completely out of context, I was like, what the fuck? What was the headline?

Then I just realized it's the lowest common denominator, man. Of course. They wrote a letter of apology saying we were just trying to attract readers and blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but the thing is, what good is the apology? The shit is out there. Thank you. I appreciate you apologize but could you now take it out of everyone's head thank you i fucking agree exactly and then now there's this association with me being this way i'm like fuck these people what way what happened come on oh man just there's

i don't know you don't have to mention the magazine. What was it? Just implying that somehow or the other, I had to get back to black people. What the fuck? What do you mean get back? When the fuck did I ever leave? When did I stop being black? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So anyway, it was hilarious and demeaning. Get back to black people. Yeah. What was that based on? Because that interests me, that when somehow or another someone decides, like, you've turned your back on your black. Yeah. Like, me? Me?

Out of all people. Literally with my Tijuana Jackson and all this other stuff. And anyway, I just laughed at it. But they were like, we were just trying to, you know, we realized it was a major oversight. We've corrected the issue. Blah, blah, blah. we realized it was a major oversight. We've corrected the issue, blah, blah, blah. Well, we realize it's a major oversight. You're still black and it's okay. Literally.

And, you know, I just, from that point forward, I just like, okay, I just won't be fucking with these people. You know what I mean? Right. You know, I think because of the fact that I never really, I started in mainstream. Starting in mainstream. What does that mean? White? You know what? Well, i don't know because what would you say that the beginning like it's your 40 year 40 year old virgin was a big

break for you that was a huge break for me 40 over is that what you would you consider that that was when you were arrived um people knew you yeah that's where i know you from yeah yeah yeah but you're around a long time before that yeah i was around for, you know, and I hadn't really been doing big stuff. Like the things, I got to work with big, I got to work with like Vince Vaughn early in the game on a project called The Prime Gig. But where'd you come from? Let's go back, because I go back.

Okay. I'm willing to go back with you. I know. I'm a listener. I'm an avid listener. I know. I'm prepared. I was just talking to Ashley about,

she's like, I was looking for the cats. And I'm talking to Ashley and she was like, was looking for the cats and I was talking to Ashley and she was like they're in the bedroom I'll show you yeah yeah and I said she said they don't come out much

and I was like well I think they came out when Cranston was on they might have paid a visit I think it was when Cranston was on I could be wrong well he might have seen them I'll show you the cats after

okay but what kind of name is Romany Malkoff it's a gypsy name is it really yeah why why you get a gypsy name?

Because, you know, my family's Trinidadian and Venezuelan. And in Trinidad, we have a lot of East Indians. And, you know, I could be wrong about this, but just in Trinidad, being that, you know, East Indian, the East Indian culture is so common. Yeah. My name isn't that far-fetched, you know what I mean? Right, right, right. Like, probably the most spoken language in Trinidad is Bengali, which is like a dialect

of Indian dialect. Have you spent time in Trinidad? Plenty. I went to school in Trinidad off and on as a kid. Oh, my God. Yeah, so I have family from Venezuela, like Maracas in Venezuela, and then I have family from like San Fernando,. point 410 all over the place lucy row all over the place in trinidad uh-huh and um you know and my both my parents

met in brooklyn but they were both trinidadians my mom came from uh she came from trinidad to uh compete she was mrs she won mrs universe i mean really no she won mrs trinidad in tobago and came here to compete and my dad had come here because New York University. NYU. Yeah, NYU was very interested in my pops. For? He was already an established surveyor and engineer. So it's a specific type of background, but it's not mostly Spanish.

It's a mix, right? It's probably, yeah. It's like similar. I guess I had a place in Brazil, and I found Brazil to be very similar guess i had a place in brazil and i found brazil to be very similar you had a place in brazil yeah i on the northeast coast of of bahia why did you just get a place in brazil you just felt like it um you know what one it was i'm really into fishing i mean i'm really into fishing and i found the place that sat between these two huge this town that sat between two huge rivers and right above a town

called jesife jesife r-e-c-i-p-h-e or something like that but jesife sits right above is the billfish capital of the world billfish yeah so you know that's a good fish that's a good fish it's like you're talking like you know like i should know a billfish well it's a pretty prestigious game fish and you know you see the, they have the big long thing on the front of them. Yeah, yeah. So, a marlin. That's a marlin. Like a marlin, yes.

So, it's like a marlin. Yes. So, you're a game fisherman. I love game fishing. You go out on a boat and you wrestle the fish. Well, now I go out on a kayak. So, you're stripping it down. You're getting primitive.

Primitive. I like it. You even out the playing field when you do that. But aren't you talking about fish that are as big as a kayak yep absolutely you want to be pulled around if you're being pulled around you ain't really you know so you're out there with a kayak and a fishing pole that that locks into your kayak trying to catch fish that can pull your shit yep that's right until and then you just wrestle it out until it gives up what's dope and what do you do with the fish well then it depends So I'm a catch and release guy.

You know what I mean? Now, I caught like a 40-pound white sea bass, and his ass got ate. Where'd you get that? Oh, yeah. Off the coast of Santa Barbara. White sea bass off the coast of Santa Barbara? Right up here? Right up here.

Is that normal? There's a season for them. There's a season for them. And, you know, if you can get your line, there's a season where if you can get your line down past the barracuda, you know, the sea bass are below them. Yeah. You know, because they're all feeding on like the bait fish. So there's barracuda off of Santa Barbara?

Oh, man, I've caught so many barracuda off of Santa Barbara. How many feet? How many feet? Three feet. Three feet barracudas. Four feet. All teeth. All teeth.

Sometimes you can't get them in the boat because a mako shark will just eat that before you can get in. Wait, so you're pulling a barracuda in and then a mako shark just jumps up and eats your fish. Absolutely. You see that regularly. Absolutely. That's a common problem with trying to get past barracuda, hooking a barracuda by accident. You have to deal with a shark that's going to come eat the barracuda. That's right.

You were definitely in the food chain. Yes, exactly. Just a little bigger shark will come eat the barracuda. That's right. You were definitely in the food chain. Yes, exactly. Just a little bigger shark will come take you off the boat. The last time I saw, I would say it was about a seven or eight foot mako shark. The last time I saw a shark in Santa Barbara, I had put my rod down to help a friend and a fish pulled my rod into the water. And it was a brand new reel. I jumped off the boat, swam down. After my reel, I could just the boat, swam down. After my reel,

I could just see this little gold spool disappearing and I came back, got on the boat and about 10 minutes later, a Mako shark just started circling the boat.

I was like, it looks like the, up close, it looked like the pit bull of sharks. And was that the fucker that ate your reel? No, no.

It was, it ended up, there was a guy on the end of the boat who was throwing up the whole time. His rod somehow hooked. So he was sort of involuntarily chumming. Exactly.

Exactly. And he hooked my line and ended up catching my rod two hours later. So you got the rod back. Got the rod back with a mackerel on it. A mackerel. So, all right. So you grew up partially in Trinidad till how old?

Yeah, till I was 13. So you went through a lot of stuff there. So, you grew up partially in Trinidad until how old? Yeah, until I was 13. So, you went through a lot of stuff there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that where you learned to love fishing? You know what? Actually, I learned to love fishing in upstate New York. Yeah, yeah. Because my pops would drive us out from Queens or from Brooklyn to upstate New York on the weekends.

Every couple weekends, take all the kids in the neighborhood when I was really young. So, your dad was an engineer and a surveyor in Trinidad. Did he get a full ride at NYU or he didn't take it? My dad did not take the full ride at NYU. My dad just basically literally went from that to becoming a laborer. And he eventually worked his way up on, you know, working construction here to becoming like a foreman and a superintendent. But prior to that, my dad literally, he had this gripe. He was like, a black man will never be recognized

for his skills in America. That's how we felt. And why didn't he take the college gig? If I could be 100% frank, I believe that, a huge portion of my father's upbringing was in this weird way, like this conditioning, this constant invalidating invalidation of you know of him and his abilities and as a result of that his insecurities overrode

his his actual ability he didn't think he could cut it he didn't think it he didn't he always yeah you know yeah and um you know i definitely have adopted some of those you know hard not to yeah you have siblings? I have one younger brother. Yeah. I mean, my dad's got like 13 kids, supposedly. I've met five, you know, for five for like. We're in Trinidad?

In Trinidad, yeah. I mean, I imagine that shit stopped once he got stateside, right? Yeah. I mean, you know, after, yeah, once he got stateside, he had me and my, he fell in love with my mom and he had my brother. They met in New York. Brooklyn Basement Party, yeah. At Brooklyn Basement, and your mom was a former beauty queen from Trinidad.

Yep. So it all worked out. Yeah, that's how she got here. She won the trip to America to come compete in America. And she didn't leave? No, sir. She got pregnant with me. And your dad was already a citizen?

My dad was. I think they were both working on their citizenship. They were both about 23 years old. Wow. Yeah. So where do you get time to have another 12 kids? Was that after? That was before. Before?

Yeah, it was before. So from what, 15 up? I got, man, it's weird. I got siblings. I got siblings. I've met Donna, Debbie, Clint. I mean, these people are, we've hung a lot, and they're just a few years older than me. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, my pops was a wild one Yeah, fortunately

Before you left Trinidad. Yeah, and they're down there all your siblings your half siblings. They're down there They are in training injury I go I kick it with I kick it with them I just kick it with Debbie Debbie was one of my sisters But I kick it with Donna a lot Donna is the one that was closest to my pops. So, okay, so you grow up in New York City. Yeah. And what do you do?

What's your interest when you're a kid? When I was a kid... I mean, how'd you get to acting? I wanted to play professional baseball. Yeah. And I wanted to be an oceanographer. So you wanted to get into baseball. Were you playing?

Yeah, I played in Little League, the whole deal. So it was a childhood fantasy. It wasn't like you were on the cusp. No, I moved to Texas when I was like, you know, I left Trinidad at 13, moved to Texas. With your folks? With my dad. My parents, it's a long story, but basically my parents separated. When she found out about the 12 kids?

Oh, no, no, no, no. She got pregnant because she found out about the kids. Got it. I'm going to hold on to this. Oh! Okay. Yeah, yeah. Oh, oh, oh oh oh oh really because

my dad like we don't have to have children i have 13 children and my mom was like oh 23 year old 24 year old like hell you do and uh she was in she insisted on getting um pregnant and she told me this story about she couldn't get pregnant and she found this thing uh called lydia pinkham and she said i drank that lydia pinkham and she said i drank that lydia pinkham and i was pregnant instantly and i thought mom i gotta research this thing now and i researched it is the worst thing you could ever take for yourself what is it lydia pinkham was like this kind of hoax this kind of it was basically a hoax back in the day that this woman saw which was like a baby in a bottle that was the logo that was that was the slogan if you

take this thing you know it helps you get pregnant uh-huh kind of like today if a woman can't get pregnant she can get acupuncture there's all these holistic things she can do right lydia pinkham kind of marketed herself that way back in the day but it was just really i read the ingredients and researched the ingredients in it was it nothing or was it bad it was bad oh really yeah it's really tough on the liver stuff that was really tough so but she ended up having two kids and then your parents split up and then they split up when i was about uh 12 yeah 12 yeah but you were you're okay with both of them were they okay with each other was it volatile was it it was it was your dad kidnap you and take you to texas i did the kidnapping actually believe it or not yeah what do you mean well what happened was um so my i'm telling a, but my dad, you know, my dad, he messed around.

Clearly he had an issue with that. Right, exactly. And so my mother, who was this beauty queen and really sheltered, didn't really have any life skills. She thought she was going to live happily ever after with Prince Charming. And her method of retaliation. That was a lack of foresight, I have to say. I agree. Yo, this is funny as shit, but it's so true.

And, you know, anyway, so she kind of, her way of dealing with it, coping, was doing the same thing. So, ultimately, her and my dad went their separate ways. And she left with a guy who I thought was a drug dealer at the time. And she left with a guy who I thought was a drug dealer at the time. And she up and basically disappeared. So, you know, I kind of resented that. So she left. She got pissed at your old man and left.

Yeah. And so my dad tracked her down. This is all within weeks. My dad tracks her down. Yeah. And when he tracked her down, she kidnapped my brother and I yeah and when she kidnapped my brother and I I was always closer to my mother but because of the fact that she was with this guy who I thought was a drug dealer I didn't want my younger brother who was five years younger than me in that

environment so I actually kidnapped my brother and 12 at 12 and escaped to We were in Hempstead and managed to escape managed to get in front of a guy named detective Howie you went to the cops I didn't go to the cops. We busted into it a dispatch yeah, they thought they thought we were robbing the place and I Told them what the situation was and they called the cops. And I didn't want to go with the cops. They didn't trust cops. You're a young black man in New York. You don't trust cops.

And I ended up sitting across from a guy named Detective Howie and he really listened to me. Yeah. And he knew that I was trying to escape the precinct. He knew I was trying to get out of the precinct. Yeah. And so he really stopped, took a moment to assure me that, yo, I'm going to give you what you want. You just have to tell me what it is. And I explained to him what the situation was,

but I didn't want to tell him my mom and tell her that she was with this guy who was a drug dealer. I didn't want to tell him that. Was he a drug dealer? Yeah. My mom was so naive. She's like, really? I didn't know.

I'm like, all right. I'd be walking down the street and just running to Neil. Yeah, yeah. I'm like what up Neil what are you doing out here exactly anyway so I sat with

deck detective Howie and my dad had a friend who was a correctional officer and they were able to track him down and he actually and then within like a day

we had fled to the Caribbean with your dad with my dad but your dad didn't know where you were your mom took you and dad didn't know where you were. Your mom took you and he didn't know where you were.

He had no clue. So this was like, you had to get out, find somebody that was going to find your dad. Yep. And then you went to Trinidad. Went to Trinidad, yeah.

And you just holed up for a while. I was there. I was there from the age of 12 to 13. And then who the hell decided Texas? Well, my dad had already been going. Part of the reason he was able to have these affairs is because all this time

he'd been working in Texas because construction was like a big thing. The oil was big in Texas at the time. So he was working on oil rigs? Yeah, working on oil rigs. Building oil rigs. They call them shutdowns or where they shut down an oil rig or they start building one.

So he's working for one of them big companies that just does oil rigs. Brown and Root, Exxon, all those different companies, yeah. As a foreman at that time? No, back in those days, just a pipe fitter. Wow. Yeah, yeah. That's a filthy hard job.

It is a filthy hard job, man. My dad put in work. I remember there'd be times, you know, I grew up in like, one of the blessings, and you're going to laugh at me saying this, one of the blessings I had is living in a fucking trailer park.

I grew up in trailer parks. In Texas, we lived in the projects and we lived in trailer parks. I got to see all different kinds of culture, especially being West Indian. So you got the Trinidadian experience, which is multicultural. Five most spoken languages in Trinidad.

Ready? English, Bengali, French, Spanish, and Chinese. How many do you speak? I speak one, and I barely speak English. And I studied French for a long time, but I'm not fluent in French at all. And I studied it for a long time. You've got to have a knack for it.

You really do. I lived in Paris. I lived in Paris. And I went to school at the European Language Foundation while I was there. Teachers refused to speak to me in English. And I managed to get around. But once you're not there, once you're not running it all the time, you don't. Yeah.

All right. So you go to Texas. Yeah. So I go to Texas. So you're not there once you're not running it all the time you don't yeah all right so you go to texas yeah so i go to texas and you're living in the trailer park living in the trailer parks you know just kind of exposed me to uh culture in ways that i hadn't thought about like what kind of culture good are you talking good or bad well like it was a different kind of racism it was a different kind of trailer park racism yeah it was different and then and i realized like you know it wasn't just

us like i always felt like oh you know black people have been so bad and here i am 13 years old living in a trailer park and i'm like oh white people they don't got it so good either oh shit so it's not it's really it's like you know it's everybody it's poor people it's everybody i was like oh wow and you know that was interesting and was there any bonding though was there there was there was there any sort of like that's an interesting idea i never i i mean i'd obviously thought that you know the idea of poor white people poor black people that there is a oppression and and a a sort of contempt of the poor and then a lot of race that's something we don't talk about in America's class.

But was there any sort of unity around the anger of treatment of whites and blacks together? You know what? We weren't intelligent enough. I don't think at the time, I don't think that people were. I think that, well, what I picked up on was that in the being West Indian, right? Or even just being a black American, being someone who was born, I'm the first was that in the being West Indian, right. And, or even just being a black American, being someone who was born, I'm the first American born in my family.

Like what I had noticed amongst my people is that there was classism. There was, there was racism according to complexion. So I was darker complected. So I couldn't get into a light skin party. You know? Oh my God. It's hilarious.

This is, this is, I wish I was making this stuff up a light-skinned party yeah how is that advertised what's that invitation look like do they they give you the tone like if there's a party well you know what like if you like like literally like oh i hate to say this but you just weren't invited you know too black yeah or you couldn't get it because you know it's funny it's just i just realized that there was this oppression this learned oppression that we had imposed upon ourselves right and not just in america in the caribbean you know in my black experience that's what i experienced you know and then when i was

in these trailer parks i was like oh shit they do the same thing to each other you know what i mean the white people yeah they're classist um you, they're classist, you know, they're classist within themselves. And I'm like, but we all live in, oh, so you have a double Y trailer park. So, oh, you have a double Y trailer. Oh, I see. So, all right, you know. Yeah, right. So it happens there too.

Exactly. The house on the hill is a double Y down the street. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Literally. That's perfect. That's perfect. Can I use that from now on to explain this? Yeah.

And yeah, so that was eye-opening for me, but I don't think that we were, I don't think that everyone saw it that way and to communicate and identify with that, but we bonded over different things. We bonded over football and baseball and music. So what were your ambitions at this point? When did you start to decide

that you were going to express yourself artistically? I was about seven or eight, and a dude that lived a few blocks away from me, I live at 224th and Merrick Boulevard, and a kid that lived there named Timmy got shot at the park, and we were all kind of mourning Timmy's passing. We were all sad.

We're at my friend Eddie's house. And there was a guy named Mark who was a little older than all of us. And Mark said a rap. And he said, I heard a shot. I heard a cry. I said, Timmy, Timmy, Timmy, did you have to die? You have to understand as a six or seven year old hearing that. I was like, oh, wait a minute.

We can express ourselves like that from that point forward i was like i'm gonna be a rapper period and then shortly thereafter my dad came home with this record called rapper's delight sugar hill gang yeah and that was all she wrote so you start doing some eight-year-old rap start doing some eight-year-old raps right raps for me and my brother they were corny like you know well i'm kid nice and i'm sweeter than spice and when i rap to the ladies they melt like ice because that was the style back then yeah you know and um uh and that was the beginning of it but i kind of kept i was really uh you know i was kind of like you know we were kind of like the bummy kids in new york we were like the bummy kids but that didn't have much supervision yeah so i kind of kept that quiet you

know what i mean right Right. And maintained my reputation as being scrappy. Yeah. Which I was. As opposed to someone who writes things? Well, you know, just opposed to someone

who was extremely vocal, you know, and outgoing. So scrappy means like, you know, those are those kids that, what, they don't talk much, they don't have much supervision.

It's just ugly kids that didn't have much to lose. You know what I'm saying? I didn't have much to lose. I didn't have much to fight with anybody because I didn't have much to lose i get into a fight with anybody because i have much to lose you're a fighter um i was yeah when i was really young i doubt that was that was the way of expression really yeah so you kick some ass i got kicked some ass and i got my ass kicked and my dad was the type of dude that'd be like did you kick him in the face did you kick him in the face? Did you kick him in the face? Okay, well, he don't respect you. The next time you see him, you kick him in the face. Just out of nowhere. Right.

You know, my dad was like very angry and unresolved. And, you know, and so his anger would manifest in violence, you know? Yeah. So you're in Texas. How long do you stay there? I graduated. I graduated from high school and junior high in Texas and joined the military. Really?

Yeah. Oh, my God. That's a hell of a story. Oh, man. What military? Marine Corps. You joined the Marines? Joined the Marines, yeah.

You went through all that? Is that why you're in good shape and you seem focused? You know what? I have to say that the Marines definitely, they gave me some focus. And it definitely, you know what the Marines teach you? What? How to play the game without emotion. Uh-huh.

And because I'm a very emotional person, I have convictions. I get very emotionally invested in things. Yeah. Look, the Marines helped me. I got to make that really clear. Like I told them I had a chance at a record deal in California, and I was a reserve. They stationed me in California so that I could pursue my dream. So not knocking it, but just the military as a whole, when it really boils down to it, right?

Yeah. You know, we follow the orders of like the elite 0.1%. Sure. And when we're in these- The real house on the hill. The real house on the hill. And when we're in these places, you know, nobody looks at that. I don't think anybody thinks of the white house is being real anymore no but you know when you look at when

you put you know 19 year olds in these situations where they're tricked into believing they're doing something noble when in all actuality they're clearing the fields so that that elite 0.1 percent can set up their oil rigs and extract natural resources your your dad was working yeah for the same people that you were dying for exactly absolutely that was the system that was the system that is the system it's not was so when you so you were able to join as a reservist well yeah i joined i had to do boot camp i had to do school of infantry so you know i went and did the boot camp really is a trip you know a dude is telling you you know pick up your foot locker which is it all your belongings are in

it run it all the way to the end of the barracks, drop it, run to the other end of the barrack, touch the wall, run back, and pick up your footlocker and run it back to the other end and repeat that a hundred times. After a while, you just detach. I never forget. I first got to the military, right? For what?

Just for what? Just because they want to? They decide you were scrappy? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No, no, they do it to everybody. Like when I first got to them, when we first got off the buses and we first showed up at boot camp, they had like 300 of us in a room. And all the drill sergeants

are sitting up on the table in front of us. Yeah. And they're joking with us. Hey, you know, who eats pussy? Who does this? Who does that?

Yeah. And kids are raising their hand because the drill sergeants are joking with them. Yeah. And this one guy, I forgot his name name he raised his hand because you eat pussy huh private what's your name private said private so-and-so said okay all right you eat pussy you eat that pussy till the booty in the head cave in sir yes sir blah blah blah and the kid starts

joking with him and they flipped on a dime surrounded him and i thought they were gonna beat his ass and they were going in on them so hard I was like oh I get the game I get the game they could see and who's a smart yeah they set you up you know what I mean yeah to see who opportunity exactly who's got some moxie exactly yeah so what I did was from that point forward I clicked yeah I followed orders and did what I was supposed to do yeah you know me I just knew that was temporary orders and did what I was supposed to do. Yeah. You know what I mean? And just knew that it was temporary. Yeah.

And, you know, I was always in first, second, or third. But you chose this. I chose it completely. But I just didn't know how it went until I got there. Why'd you choose it? Because I didn't really, all I knew was I wanted to be a rapper. And I didn't really have any other direction than that. So I thought that if I got my military time down, at least I would have the option for the GI Bill. So I said, you know what?

I'll have the GI Bill in place. I can always go in and use it towards getting a house, use it towards getting an education. I didn't know that from the time that you signed up for the GI Bill, you actually extend your term. At the time, that's what the deal was. So you were in for how long? Four years.

And that's it? That was it. And you ended up what? You went to boot camp. You went to infantry training? Yeah. I was there. And you ended up what? You went to boot camp. You went to. I only did like three. What? Infantry training? Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I was. Yes. That's the thing. You can choose any MOS you want. But I ended up being a grunt. Oh, 311. And so I did.

I did boot camp. And then with the school of infantry, we call it. We call the school of infantry back in the day. Right. And that was on Camp Pendleton. And, you know, we just basically learned the drills. We learn hand to hand combat. We learn how to shoot.

Yeah. You know. Yeah. Damn. Back in them days i was running i was running three miles through the woods through the mountains in like 17 we're still in good shape right i i'm decent you know what i mean i'm decent but yeah i try to it's just really more eating than anything just i avoid sugar at all costs so back to answer your first question of when did i start to use my voice was that when i moved to texas um you know living in trailer parks and whatnot i decided to be vocal about my rapping then and i went from kind of like being like this bummy nerdy kid in texas to kind of being like one of the ranger rappers because our school mascot was a ranger uh-huh and you know i became the ranger rapper at one of the ranger rappers at my school so doing it in front of the crowds at the sporting events over the intercom in front

of the crowd you were the guy me and a couple i had a whole crew yeah uh-huh and then that that kind of gave me a voice that i didn't i never had before hip-hop gave me a voice and i was like oh shit yeah i could say anything i want you could write jokes you could be funny you could and exactly and i would push. You can push buttons. I can push buttons all day, and that's what I live for. Pushing buttons. That's right. Say it with a straight face.

Not in the Marines, though. Not in the Marines. They were trying to push your buttons. Yeah. They literally, if you saw a drill sergeant stand in front of a puddle, don't flinch. Because the minute they're going to seek out the weak one, they're going to be like, okay. Private Marin, come here. Come here boy come here boy you are fucking me private so no so now you have to stand in front of him that means you're standing in the puddle right drop private roll private roll right private roll left private get up private

get out of my goddamn sight private all full of mud that's right just because what just because and that's how you learn to detach that's how you learn so you learn to detach by saying i want to be that guy well i learned to detach in the sense that i roll through the mud crawl through it you know sleep on top of a king snake or whatever i had to do you know what i mean yeah in order to uh in order to get the job done. And not make it personal. So did you go anywhere? Did you fight? Did I? No, no, no. I got lucky.

You know, we had this invasion where Saddam's invasion of Kuwait. Yeah. They started pulling our troops. And we were like number 23. Yeah. And dudes started, dudes in our battalion

started fleeing to like Canada and shit. Oh, really? It was too funny. The reservists started bolting? Started bolting, started getting girls pregnant. They were like, yeah, if you have a baby, you don't have to go. I was like, what? What?

That doesn't seem right. It didn't seem right at all. And anyway, Kuwait's surrender was so quick. You didn't go? Didn't have to go. And that was what? How many years in were you already? Two years.

And you were living in LA? I was living in Houston. I was stationed back in Houston. And then I said I wanted a rap career. And in 89, I packed up and moved to California. And you were still in? Still in. Third year?

Third year. And literally, there's a base right over there, not too far from here. There's an Air Force base over there by Stadium Way that the Marines share with the Air with the air force and i would go over there and do like paperwork and stuff for them straight up and that was that that was your only requirement that's my only requirement i show up for work occasionally that's it so you come out so what what were you doing in houston i'm with the school junior high and high school in baytown texas so my goal was to go get my crew and move to california so that we could get a record deal. But they didn't want to go. They were like, we can do it right here in Houston.

And it's true. There were some budding rap groups like the Ghetto Boys, Royal Flush, Raheem. There was a record label called Rap-A-Lot Records. There was a dope dude named Action back in the day. And you knew all these guys? I mean, we would rap with them or battle rap and stuff like that at this club called the rhinestone wrangler back in Houston in Houston and that what was that like battle rapping either sees a world. I don't know about so you guys better You know it's like you go you go for the jugular. Yeah, you you you you try to

Hurt people's feelings the other guy you try to hurt the other you try to just you try to you try to destroy this Oh, it's not a collaborative community thing. It's more like the dozens amplified. It's the dozens amplified, but then you come together and you're like, you know. It's the game. It's the game. I'll never forget this guy named Willie D. He said he had this thing where we used to wear these Kung Fu shoes all the time. Your guys.

Yeah. And he had this joke. This dude said, this shit cracked me up so much. He said This motherfucker Dressed like you know karate Head like a donkey In a German shipping body The country is funniest

Shit I ever heard This shit had me crying So when you do that It's all improvised usually? A lot of times We just made it up From the top of our heads But we would come

With prepared raps too You get to go in on them Like make some personal shit About them So this was a whole night so guys would be on stage together Yeah, and we know we were too young to be in the club So big Steve who owned the rhinestone would make us sit by the door Yeah until it was time to battle. Yeah, then we got to go on stage and battle with the big dudes, you know

Oh, so we were just so good. Yeah, he was like I get these dudes these dudes and your kids too, which is cool Yeah, you know these youngsters are gonna come in And your kids too, which is cool. Yeah. You know, they're like, these youngsters are going to come in here and do this thing. Exactly. And you're waiting by the stage door. Waiting by the stage door.

We opened our mouths on stage. Yeah. It was a problem. Yeah. It was a problem. Like, I never get, I ain't going to say the rap group's name,

wanting to beat our asses in the parking lot. Yeah. People are like, yo man, they're kids. It's like, yeah, but they talk like grownups,

nigga. You going to say some shit? I never get that shit. They talk like grown-ups nigga you gonna say some shit i never get that shit they talk like grown-ups yeah yeah give a shit but it was but generally it was uh it was um friendly it was yeah it was friendly you know man and we had a community like it was a hip-hop community ultimately we did things for that community right you know what i mean and um it was new in the sense that you know the south was kind of disregarded back in those days um in hip-hop you know the the west coast uh had their thing and the east coast refused to acknowledge us and at the time they were kind of the can do it yeah so you know in in its rebellion the south started forming its own thing little jay who was owned Rap A Lot of Records, started this label.

He started signing people like Action, who became Scarface, who became one of my favorite rappers of all time. The Ghetto Boys and all that. And they started getting this surge. And now you got... I remember I had the Ghetto Boy, one of the Ghetto Boy albums, maybe the first album, just because that guy was so fascinating. Which one?

The little guy. Oh, Bushwick Bill. You had the one. Where he's all fucked up on the cover. Mind Playing Tricks on the album? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know what that was. Yeah.

The action, the Scarface album that got me was that gunshots rang out. What the fuck? Heard this nigga bite the bullet. Like, damn, fucked him up. It was basically the soundtrack of office space remember it starts out he's in the car when he's saying that rap you know yeah yeah yeah that's right he's singing it and then they pull up next to him that album is my one of my favorites you know um yeah yeah that might have been the reserve the ghetto boys resurrection album actually because

they broke up they had a guy named big Mike join and take Scarface's place. And then Scarface eventually came back. When Scarface is in the group, he produces great music and he just says crazy shit. Yeah. And so that was your dream, man. That was my dream. I lived my dream. So you're doing it in Houston with your guys.

Right. So I eventually got him to agree to move to California. So we finally got to California in 89, June of of 89 and we got our record deal about a year later What was the name of the our group was called college boys? Uh-huh and we signed to Virgin Records Yeah, we had we were one hit wonders. We had a hit called victim of the ghetto which happened to be Happening at this exact same time as the riots Los Angeles riots. Right. So the Los Angeles riots kind of helped amplify, you know, because every news station that spoke about this riot nationwide also played our music in the background.

Really? Yeah. So you got a hit off of Rodney King's demise. A hit off of Rodney King's rise and demise. Right. You know, because Rodney King was big in the clubs for a minute after that. He'd show up in the club like he was the man. Yeah, but he was a little beat up.

I mean, he was obviously beat up in a horrible situation. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, yeah, yeah. That's right. He was sort of a, I don't know if he was, sadly, the position that he had culturally was a lot. It was a heavy burden in a way. Right. You're right. It's funny because I was so young and insensitive at the time that I was

really angered by the situation because we had all experienced art things with cops. And, um, you know, Rodney King was like, can't he, I think his famous quote, I'll get along. And in my mind, I was actually thinking like, I was angry. I was angry. I just say that. And so my mind, I was actually thinking, like, I was angry. I was angry. I'll just say that. And so in retrospect, you know, he's aware of what he's done in his life. And he's aware of what his karma is.

And if that was the perspective that he had at the time, the mature thing to do was to honor it. Right. You know? Right. To be a spokesman. it. Right. You know? Right. To be a spokesman. Exactly. Of peace. Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, to, you know, it had two purposes. Yeah, exactly. It would have been great. It would have been great. That's fucked up. It would have been great if he said,

fuck all you all. No, yeah. Yeah, you know, this is bullshit, but. It would have been great if he had something profound to say. It would have been great. Yeah, yeah.

But I mean, what is there to say at that moment? You know what I mean? I mean, at least for me at the time, was that there was a major imbalance in the profiling. Yeah. And that there's this convenient way of making young black Americans a scapegoat for the judicial system and prison system. And,

you know, and at the time that was really obvious to me, you know, and speak about the amount of tax dollars that go into it. And if, if you're someone who isn't, you know, look,

if from my research, yeah. Um, your birth certificate is basically a bank note that's handed over to the federal reserve anyway. Right. Right. So ultimately each

person on average is worth about and my numbers could be off but about 750 000 in taxes over a lifetime so ultimately all the debt that 0.1 accrues they pay them back by handing over these bank notes to the federal reserve right and if you become a non-tax paying citizen as far as america's concerned well we're gonna get the taxes out of you by putting you in jail. Interesting. And when you're in jail, we'll get $166 a day in tax money from the public to pay for your incarceration. I never heard it framed that way. Well, leave it up to me to do some shit like that.

You know what I mean? I like it. You've got a desire to break it down to its most simple definition. You have to. Your birth certificate's a banknote. If you ain't paying on that note, they're going to put you in jail to make their money. Yeah. Bottom line.

I mean, that's how it looks to me. And you know what? I'm not, look, that's, again, that's my interpretation of the information that I've collected. I'm not saying it's a fact. That sounds like a good rap. That would be, like, yeah. I don't know. Think about that, damn it. not saying it's a fact what that sounds like a good rap yeah that would be like yeah oh think about that damn it the idea that your birth certificate's a bank note yeah federal reserve

yeah yeah that's that's that's fucking some cutting through the hypocrisy that is some solid uh verse there you know see that that's that's what rap that's what rap does. So even if, you know, it's like, even if you're wrong, rap, as I grew up in it, you know what I mean? If you say it with enough confidence, people will be like, it makes sense. Well, what you do is you create dialogue around the subject and you get to the bottom of it. You know what I mean? To a degree, history as we know it and what's really going on in actual politics as we know it in foreign affairs is all a mystery because the corporations are writing it you know conveniently so you know it's great in my opinion to speculate and to like inspire people to like research and

we i've always i've said that uh the american democracy is a money laundering front that's how you break it down to its most basic form. Thank you. I mean, it's hilarious. Like when I see people, I honestly like, you ever date a girl or maybe a girl's ever dated you and you realize within five minutes of being in this person's presence, oh man, this person has a lot of unresolved pain

that's completely out of touch with their own pain and right and you're like and you you get a sympathy in your heart for that person yeah after you feel the sympathy comes right after you feel attacked yes yes well that hurt exactly my fault exactly i don't think it is oh this chick's fucked up now Now what do I do? Okay, exactly. And that's how I feel when I hear people having really heated debates over Democrats and Republicans going at it. There's a part of my heart that sincerely hurts for them because, you know, I mean-

Does that part win over the fuck that? No, I don't participate in that. Okay. I mean, look, because you do get to vote on, we get to vote on whether or not gay marriage is legal. We get to vote on things like these social issues. But as far as foreign affairs, do you think they're going to let the average layman,

foreign affairs, now this is a huge conglomerate. No, I mean, they're going back to Iraq. Exactly. They didn't ask me. Dude, dude, do you think, exactly, you think they're going to let us vote? Us, the layman who doesn't even know what the petrodollar is. They're going to let us choose the CEO for that conglomerate for the next eight years? No, but see, but that's the whole problem now is that there's such an aggravated apathy once the

reality has been shown to the people that do vote and even the people that don't vote that they're not working in our interest. That all they're banking on is enough people are going to, when they go like, how you doing? They're going to go like, no, I'm okay. All right. Well, most of the people say that. And there's a couple of others on the fringe saying like, this is fucked up. Or the other guy saying like, I ain't making enough money. As long as those are relative minorities to the people that are disconnected and going like no i'm all right

you know i'm i can you know i can eat and i don't give a shit about the rest of it that's how that's who it's driven by yeah it's not driven by right or wrong it's driven by like who do i who's the who do i vote for that guy seems like i like his hair so they don't give a fuck no but but they don't represent anything but business interests i completely completely, I mean, you know, don't be wrong. You know, the last girl I dated, her dad was a delegate. And, you know, it really helped me. I would go in, I got to go in and see them vote on someone. And I realized that when you go state to state, people care.

Within the communities, in the state government. Yeah, there are, thank God, there are people that are showing up at the meetings. They're showing, they're taking action. Like all the people that really give a shit they just that's what they do they don't look for attention they're not arguing with you know people on television grassroots you know uh organizations and also community-based politics people that really give a shit those are the unsung heroes of what really makes democracy great i always say when i make my movies and i'm the star of my movies and I get to allocate tickets, those are the people,

those teachers that the students vote for and those people, those delegates, those people working on the ground, you know, on the ground level are the people that I'm bringing to my premiere and I'm showcasing at every opportunity that I get, whatever opportunity it is, shallow as it may sound,

whatever way I can reward them, whatever way I can enhance and make their lives better or help them get acknowledged for what they're doing, that's my goal. And back to the point that you were making, is that if you look at activists that are being effective, they don't even fuck with the White House. The White House is a waste of fucking time.

They go straight to the corporations. They hit you in the pocket. They know who who the bosses are that's how you get shit done and look let's just i don't know if you know this but like african americans are slated to spend like 1.1 trillion dollars by 2015 like they're spending money they respond to advertising and they go to shows they go to shows movies Yep They're huge your movie did 30 million the first week during the World Cup mind you during the friggin World Cup So, you know my point being is that if if people just acknowledged their purchasing power Yeah, and they would like you know what if we could collectively boycott, but that's why all these This division is so put in place is that is to

prevent that it's to prevent that type of unification saying okay fight amongst yourself exactly exactly divide and conquer right because if we were to do that what we would then do is we could make a we could demand of these corporations you know we got all your damn we got your ipads and shit why don't you come put some money in the school in fact we won't be buying your shit until you do yeah and if we were able to do that i understand i understand enough to know that division you know uh is is important for in order for like the higher-ups to sustain they you have to divide keep them fighting over bullshit exactly so but if we were to do that that's really you want to change that's how you do it you hit them in the pocket well right well okay so that so now we're talking you know uh

romney malco the activist i'm not an activist no but no but i'm saying that you know like you think about this stuff so you're rapping so you had a voice yeah and you had the one hit and then how how does it go from there to to to acting and to making that decision then well after i had my rap career i started doing jingles with my boy Nitro and I was having such a blast doing jingles I thought I'd never really go back

to doing anything in hip hop again jingles for what like shore commercials honeycomb commercials dude I became like dude I

I'm not kidding you we'd have like four jingles on the air at once and that's a that's a good paycheck incredible we had a blast

yeah we had a and we were and you know rap was popular for these jingles back in the day so sometimes we'd make singing hooks but sometimes singing jingles sometimes we'd make like rap jingles you know and we would have a blast me and nitro night diggy giving a shout out to darren clowers right now what up man the jingle guys the jingle guys and

so after that um i uh started I'm going to produce records. So I produced like CeCe Penniston and stuff like that. Not her big hit, but I did get to produce some stuff on CeCe Penniston. And I did some stuff with Randy Crawford. And then after that, I did, I started an internet business. And I'm telling you right now, we are not going into this. I'm just going to say this. I started an internet business. Yeah.

And that shit changed my life. 1997, I decide I'm selling stuff on the internet. I start selling shit on the internet. And within three months, it's not a whole lot of money. But at the time it was, I was making more money in three months than I'd ever made as a rapper. Selling what? Health products that revolved around male health, specifically. Okay.

Boner pills. Boner pills. If you wanted to increase your fertility. Herbal stuff. Like natural, like herbal stuff for like you want to gain muscle. Were you manufacturing this stuff? I was not, but I was getting private label deals. Uh-huh.

I was getting private label deals. Okay. And that- So were you using your image, your picture? Like, look at me. Hell no. I pretended to be somebody else. Because I was like, if they find out that a rapper is selling them this shit, it's going. If they find out that a black dude is behind this company, we in trouble.

Right. You know what I mean? So I did it. I would pretend to be, you know, I would speak to everybody on the phone and just pretend to be a spokesperson for the company but I would never make it seem like I owned it or that it was me but it was your thing it was my thing and where did where the hell that come from where the incentive for that the inspiration what what you you record you're producing records you're rapping you're making jingles you're not gonna sell herbal boner pills a comedian that you know who I'm not going to name, said she was going to be in a certain magazine.

Okay. It turns out that when I went through the magazine, it was just her hands. And she was holding a blurb in Details magazine. I read that blurb and it gave me the impression. It just like a light bulb. if I advertised on sports radio, I'd be hitting 99% of my demographic if I started doing things around male health. And I couldn't let that go.

After that, it was all about... You just had an idea. It was an entrepreneurial idea. Absolutely. Had nothing to do with your creativity necessarily. It was just sort of like, I got to do this. Yes, because I've always

been an aspiring, in junior high, I sold candy. In junior high, I sold buttons. I'd make Minuto buttons and new edition buttons and sell those.

So you're always like a little entrepreneur guy. Always. I used to throw parties. By the time I got to high school, I was throwing the biggest parties in Baytown. Me and my boys

were throwing huge parties. For money? For money. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. So you had that going. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So you had that going. You wanted to make bank big. I knew I wanted to make bank at some point. Somehow. Didn't matter.

Did not really, to be quite frank, I wasn't going to sell drugs. We sold a little weed. But I did not feel good about that. I did not feel good about that. You can't set up a site for weed. Not then. maybe now. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

But even that's dicey. Yeah. I mean, you know what? It's funny, though. How long did you keep that site going? That site went until about my first really decent acting gig. I would say I kept it from 97 to about 2004. Wow.

Maybe 2004. And it kept doing well. Oh, yeah. Oh, it was the funniest thing where I had an agent being like, you're going to have to choose. You're making good money there. Yeah, if this links back to this,

and I started stepping away from the business. I got calls from Howard Stern. I used to be on Jonathan Brandmeier's show all the time. It was ridiculous. On the phone? No, man, live on his radio station. For the male herbal stuff? Mm-hmm.

On the radio, though? On the radio. So they still couldn't connect you, but you're using a real name. What else do you want to talk about? All right, so when did the acting break come? How'd you get into that?

I get a call from George Stephanopoulos, right? You know George Stephanopoulos. His brother, Andrew Stephanopoulos, and I are pretty decent friends, right? And Andrew Stephanopoulos is always- How'd you meet that guy? At Virgin Records when I had gotten my record deal. When did the Paris thing happen?

The Paris thing. That was when I shot a movie with Paul Rudd. Before the website? It was during the website. Okay. So you were going out for auditions. You had an agent. I didn't have an agent. I got into acting because John Leguizamo heard some stuff that I had done for Paula Abdul's animated cat.

And he was like, I want to rap like that for my movie called The Pest. And I want to say that this was around the time that my business was doing decent. So it might be 98, 99. And so I started writing this stuff for John Leguizamo when we started hanging out. And his wife at the time was named Yelba, you know and she was like rum we hang out with comedians You want to find these people we haven't met and I wasn't trying to be funny Yeah, so it was it was an insult. I never thought of myself as funny, right?

But John was like you might audition in for this movie. I was like, fuck it I give it a shot so he couldn't be there because he was off filming Romeo and Juliet So I would audition for the casting agent Wendy Kurtzman and the director they call me back six times They called me back for a mix match session. I didn't get it the brother from mad TV Who was our McGuire re Spears my bad? So I didn't get the role didn't trip went about my business back to my internet business I was traveling all of them traveling to Japan Italy my business afforded me luxuries I didn't have before. I had a beautiful girlfriend.

We were doing everything we could, right? And she was really smart. She was like, oh, let's go to the Galapagos. Okay, you know? And then about a year goes by and I'm getting calls from all over the place and I'm paranoid now, like what the hell is this? And it turns out that it was just basically a bunch of,

you know, my girl was like calling me and saying, we're getting faxes from these people. They tracked you down through the music industry. And I'm like- About what? I'm like, why the fuck are you telling people my shit? Why are you giving them my fax number? You don't know who this is. I'm thinking it could be the cops or some shit, right?

And it was basically casting agents in Hollywood. Casting agents in Hollywood. Wendy Kurtzman had told them that I was her favorite audition of all time and it was pilot season so the word had gotten out and they'd all wanted me to come in and audition for stuff so I went in and ended up testing for a couple of things and they were like and then agents started saying they wanted to represent me and so I just listened to all the messages I had like I don't know 30 messages from all these people and there was this one lady named Lisa DeSante who sounded really nice.

Yeah. And sincere. Yeah. And she's the only person that I called back. I went and sat with her, had a checkbook in my pocket. At the end of it, I was like, how much is it going to be? And she's like, no, baby, I get you checks. Yeah.

And I was like. Who do I write this to? You're looking at this Italian chick. She's looking at me I'm talking about how much we sat in the office for like three hours

yeah and she was like no no no no no I pay you I'm gonna get you paid and then that was it

and I started acting from there did you stay with her I stayed with her forever but there came a point where

you know Lisa DeSante has a huge temper. And her temper was. Is she a solo shop? She worked for somebody. She does. Well, no. Well, she's a manager now.

She's all established and rocking now. But at the time, I went, you know, I tried to stay with her best as I could. But um to justify my move from Lisa DeSante. I would just say that I Had a manager and I had Lisa DeSante as my agent Elisa DeSante was sending me out for the role to play Tupac in this MC Hammer story Yeah, and my management called him and said don't do that and she was like why not like because he should be the lead and They had an argument. Yeah, and I ended up booking the lead yeah and I thought to myself I didn't even think of myself as the lead yeah maybe I need to be in the company of people who think of me as the lead movie called um it was

called too legit the MC Hammer story It was a VH1 movie. Oh, okay. So, all right. So you did a lot of little stuff, did a lot of bit parts. There were funny bit parts, right? Yeah. Some were funny and some were straight. One of them was a drama, a level. My first show was called Level 9.

And after I booked enough TV, I booked a lot of commercials first. And then after I booked commercials, I started booking a lot of TV. And then after I started booking a lot of TV, I worked my way up to getting a TV show. And then after a TV show, I started working my way up to getting small roles in movies. And then eventually worked up to being a significant player in a movie. But what happened is around, I want to say around 2000, one of my best friends, his name is Jesse Peretz, who I had met through my girlfriend. My girlfriend's bigger sister booked me in my first commercial at the time. And I met a guy named Jesse Parrots.

And Jesse Parrots and I became best friends over the weirdest thing. I made this thing called mango chow, which is a common dish you eat in the Caribbean. He ate it. He was the director on a commercial. He ate it and goes, I was doing craft service with my buddy, Josh, who was the ex- ex-boyfriend of my current girlfriend you were working craft service craft service with my boy josh yeah and he was like um this is before i started my company right and i met jesse yeah and jesse tasted my mango chow and was like i used to eat this my trinidadian babysitter used to make this this is a jewish guy telling me this and then he starts imitating the trinidadian accent we were

best friends from that point forward. Still? Still. And he ended up, you know, he ended up directing this movie and he wanted

to cast people for the movie. So he had this guy named Ross Broccoli who was really funny. I know Ross Broccoli. Ross Broccoli's fucking funny as shit.

He's in Nebraska. Ross was one of my guys back in the day. Yeah, I gave Ross a place to stay one time and this motherfucker wakes up in the middle of the night and goes through my closet. Yeah.

Was he in his sleep? He was sleeping. Opens the front door. When was this? When were you hanging out with Ross Broccoli? Ross Broccoli 2000? Oh. 1999, 2000.

Is that right? That was back when I knew him, yeah. Yeah, maybe a little bit after. He had a little falling out, but he ended up going and he did some commercials. He stashed the money was back when I knew him, yeah. Yeah, maybe a little bit. He had a little falling out, but I mean, he ended up going, he did some commercials, he stashed the money, he went and he bought a farm.

He goes to Nebraska. Good for Ross. Good for Ross. He was an interesting guy. He really, really was. See, he's the kind of guy that you would find me hanging out with unintentionally.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, and what's the director's name? Parrots? Jesse Parrots. He's pretty much the producer. He's a producer on Girls. Does a lot of Nurse Jackie. Oh, I think I just met this guy

because I just did a part in Girls. Yeah, yeah. A couple weeks ago. You met him. He's your best friend? Yeah, man. That's my brother. Goddamn.

Small world. Jesse Parrots is my brother. Yeah, he introduced himself to me. Oh, okay. It's all making sense. Ross Broccoli, you. Yeah. Everybody's connected. Yep, exactly. So, all making sense. Ross Broccoli, you. Yeah. Everybody's connected.

Yep, exactly. So, you know. What movie did he put you in? A movie called The Chateau. Okay. I begged him not to put me in it. So he said, okay, well then just help me cast it. Because I wasn't really an actor at the time.

So I did. I helped him cast it. And after I helped him cast it, he asked me to play a small role. And so he put me on camera for it, carried it back to his producers. And the producers were like, why can't Romney be Paul Rudd's brother? And I was like, Jesse, your first move, First Love, Last Rights was not a success. If you want to fail again, put me in your movie. Do not do this to your career.

I beg you. And they insisted. And we ended up doing that movie and it pretty much changed our careers oh i don't was it a good movie it was a great movie i mean it was like a really independent movie and it was aesthetically it was horrible because this was the paris thing it was the thing in paris yeah and you and paul still friends oh yeah yeah and we shot that for like 13 days yeah shot it for 13 days and i just never left i was like i'm staying peace how long did you stay uh about six months uh-huh i had to come home yeah you know but um i just didn't want to leave so you made

so by that point you're shifting out of the the boner pills yeah no no no no i'm going strong i'm going strong on boner pills at this point boner pills is what's funding me in paris did they work um yeah man yeah oh dude well you know it's so funny like it's so funny like i've been so blessed because growing up in west indian culture yeah if you had a problem there was a natural remedy for this thing yeah and so this whole pharmaceutical culture was pretty foreign yeah in my family uh-huh and um you know it's it it's like even to this day if people tell me they have a problem with whatever yeah there's a natural solution to it you know and you know so even to this day it was such everything that my dad cooked when i was a kid drink this this is

good this is good for the tool yeah for the tool eat this this is good for the tool everything was good for the damn tool so of course i started a fucking business that was good for the tool. Yeah, for the tool. Eat this. This is good for the tool. Everything was good for the damn tool. So, of course, I started a fucking business that was good for the tool. What were the herbs? Just asking for a friend. Uh-huh. Now, you know, there's things like guarana, and I can dig that stuff up, and I can promise you, I can point your guys in the right direction. For the tool.

For the tool. Help for the tool. Everything good for the tool, man. Take that. That good for the tool. All that good for the tool. I still ain't answered your damn question. But the point is, sorry.

The point is that I did this movie with Jesse Peretz and the next thing you know, people were asking me to be in other movies. But the big break that everyone knows you for and which you first sort of hit me was as Jay in 40-Year-Old Virgin. Yeah, Judd Apatow. He asked me to be in his movie

because he saw me in the Chateau. Yeah, and that was the funny part. Yeah. And that sort of defined you comedically. It did, it did. I was like, you know, I was new to the business. I was new to the, I didn't have a clique. I didn't grow up in,

I didn't start acting until I was 30. Yeah. So I was new to the whole game. I didn't have a clique. And to be pulled in by Judd Apatow and introduced to all these guys and just do yourself. Yeah. What would you say? Yeah.

I was like, seriously? That's what you were doing? I feel like the most common question in my life is, wait a minute, I can say what I want? Yeah. In everything. I can be in an interview. I can be dating someone. Wait, I can just say what I want? I can be rapping. I can say what I want in everything I can be in an interview it can be I can be dating someone wait I can just say

what I want I can be rapping I can say what I want and Judd you know Judd was like really funny he had great jokes

and like like I never forget it we were doing the first one of the earlier scenes where we're discovering that he's a virgin and

and I was saying that's you know it's cool if you're gay you know I got friends that's gay and Judd yells in jail where we're discovering that he's a virgin. Yeah. And I was saying, you know, it's cool if you're gay. You know, I got friends that's gay. And Judd yells, in jail! Yeah. I lost my shit.

I must have chipped my tooth on that damn table. I lost my shit. Just to be around a guy who was so creative and fresh. Yeah. You know, four days into our production, the production got shut down by the studio because they thought, you know what? You've already shot in half the movie and we haven't approved the look but just the judd was

covering so much footage because we were playing so much right right you know yeah and he was so seasoned by that time yeah and he was like no problem sent us all home came back monday and went back to work i guess that's it that's the the the real skill of a great producer is just sort of like keep your cool and like right, we'll work this out. Him and Shauna Roberts had no facial expression. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Okay, cool.

All right, cool. All right, guys. So see you on Monday? Yeah. No, we'll let you know. We'll let you know. So you don't want me to come back tomorrow. We'll let you know.

So you do a few other roles and then you do the love guru. Yep. That was a... If you look at every job that I've been involved in, 40-year-old virgin, baby mama, blades of glory,

weeds. Yeah. I wanted to get next to the people that I was kind of. That was weed. That was great, right? It was incredible. Mary Louise Parker is my sensei.

She would kick my ass and I'd thank her at the end of every day. What do you mean she'd kick your ass? She didn't fuck around. You were on that for what? A few seasons, right?

Yeah. Mary Louise Parker would punch you in the face. She's a hell of an actress. She was my sensei. Deep. Deep. And she really taught me.

Well, first of all, my acting coach is who taught me. Yeah. Sandy Marshall flipped the script, broke me down. I used to laugh. I'd be in the pews laughing at people on stage crying, like these actor types. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never considered myself one of them until I ended up crying on that stage. she was your boot camp that was your boot camp it was my acting and from

that point forward i knew she made you roll around in the puddle exactly exactly she made it clear that everyone could see through my facade the emotional puddle yeah there you go yeah man i was time for you to meet you exactly that's what she did i'm'm like, this shit is therapy. I didn't sign up for no damn therapy. Yeah. You know, but yeah, Sandy Marshall, she gave me free class.

She just made me stay after class one day. She's like, I'm going to tell you something. She goes, I think you're talented and of all my students, I really believe

that you could go somewhere. So I'm going to give you free classes because I don't think that people give you things very often. And all you have to do is show up. That's what I did.

I showed up. You were a challenge. She was going to break you. She was going to make you what you are. Yeah. And she really did. She, I never get, man. I was like, you're right.

I was rolling around in my own puddle, my own tears. I was like, ain't this some shit? It just, you suddenly realize that everyone can see you yeah they can see through your bullshit they just tolerate you that's right yeah and the good friends they just they don't tell you they just talk they keep tolerating you but a lot of people i'm done with that yeah exactly and i didn't know that but they know the better part of you right exactly but i was i was so charming and entertaining yeah that it was at it was really everyone's else entertainment at my expense and i didn't't realize that either. Because you thought you were getting away with something.

Yes. And she just completely exposed me. And I was like, ugh. And from that point forward, I actually began to take it more seriously. Take it seriously. With something like The Love Guru, which was a notorious tank, does that affect your jobs? You know what? For me, it didn't.

Because, in fact, it got me jobs. But also, the shit that I learned from Mike Myers changed the game for me. What was that? Well, just everything.

Like, he taught me the things I did naturally, he suddenly made me aware of. Right. I didn't know what memes were. Right. And I didn't know that I was creating memes

in my career. Right. You know, in 40-Year-Old Virgin, I created all these memes. Right. I didn't know that shit. It's hard to know until career. Right. You know, in 40-Year-Old Virgin, I created all these memes. Right. I didn't know that shit. It's hard to know until it becomes one. I mean, it's a rare person that does intentional memes.

Right. But it was years after the fact. Right. And everywhere that I went with my mom, people were like, don't put the pussy on the pedestal. Yeah. Right. You know, I didn't know that those were memes. Right.

I didn't understand that they were, I didn't know about color association. So there's a color scheme and you can create certain color schemes that people will automatically associate with your movies consciously or subconsciously. No fucking clue about that stuff. I had no idea. This dude, Mike Myers,

is so fucking deep and smart. Seriously speaking, it was another situation like being with Maryary louise parker where you were where if you didn't sit and take note let them slap you in the face you're an asshole right because there was so much to learn and you learned a lot about comedy a lot about marketing comedy you'd already sort of done your own marketing thing i mean you had an instinct for it i did but he showed me how to systemize it like he had a trailer yeah one trailer with just

a wall full of pictures and colors and like a wall. Yeah. Not a wall, the entire trailer. Yeah. It's like if you didn't know it was his, you'd be like, oh shit, somebody's getting murdered. But it's weird because that movie didn't, with all his memeing and colors. Yeah. Well, there were a couple of things that happened.

One of the things that happened was that, you know, there was a a huge there was a great script in the beginning yeah and um because of the fact that how can i say this there was so much pressure to deliver right that everything lost its essence right because people started micromanaging everything right and all the fun went out of it right um another thing was i think that the director who is actually a good guy he he just was inexperienced. He got steamrolled over. Oh, right. And then lastly, there was this huge smear campaign that occurred at the release of the movie where people started coming out and speaking out, being vocal about Mike Myers and speaking out against him.

Right. It was like a four-page spread in Newsweek. Why was that? I don't remember i think that what i think that you know supposedly there was this history of bad blood between him and a few people that he had worked with um i really yeah try to not stay as far out of that shit as possible because for me i got to work with a genius and it has i've never been an actor who's been like oh you have to strike when the iron's hot i don't believe in that yeah um and the you know i i really have to do it my way and it's probably to my demise and then the other part of it is that i've gained so much uh artistic

integrity from being in the presence of people like him and mary louise parker you know that it was worth every penny for me i don't really care if a movie i get everything i'm going to get out of the movie while we're making the movie. That's it. Yeah, that's it. I don't look and go, oh, our movie's going to do 30 million this weekend. That's not me.

But it did. It did. You had something to do with it. Yeah, I know. Yeah, you know, it's true. I know. And Kevin's a great guy. Dude.

You know, it's like, I've had him in here, and it's just like, the guy fought the fight, you know, he came out on top. He's incredibly grateful. He's generous. Yep.

I mean, it's got to be about 80% of his success because he's got a good heart, and he does the right thing by people. He really does. He does the right thing by people. I'm doing my own movie now. He signed on to play a role in it. He's that dude. He's like, man, I owe you rum.

I got you. How many days do you need? The busiest man in Hollywood. Gotta be one of the busiest comedians in Hollywood. I owe you. How many days do you need? When he said that to me, it took me at least four minutes to respond

because I couldn't, wait, you, wait, what? My movie? My movie? You sure? Because, hey, I was literally doing that for like four minutes. bond because i couldn't wait you wait what what what my movie my movie you sure because hey i was literally doing that for like four minutes yeah you know he is a generous guy man what now this interesting because we talked a little earlier about you know the the movies you want to make now this is your movie now we talked earlier about you know some of the some of the things that you want to give back to the community. Absolutely. Is this one of those projects? This is one of those projects where it's like, you know, for me, the situation is that in the world of Hollywood, they tend to make you either or.

Yeah. So you're either this or you're that. So my experience growing up, you're either an angel or the devil. You're either a whore or a virgin. Very binary way of thinking. Sure. And so I have a problem with that because I've grown up with people who were heavily flawed with the best of intentions and gave the best advice they knew how. Yeah.

And these people aren't depicted in film anymore. Yeah. You're either one or the other. Right. The films that I grew up watching, that was that. So one of my favorite films of all time, ever since I was a kid,

was Wonderful Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Now you can look at Jack's character on a lot of different levels. You can look at him as crazy. You can look at him as rebellious and obnoxious. You can look at him as a hero. You know what I mean?

Leading the frontier or pioneering the frontier. You can look at a lot of those characters in a lot of different ways. And I love that where you're actually engaging the gray area. And I feel like with the dumbing down of a lot of those characters in a lot of different ways and I love that where you're actually engaging the gray area and I feel like with the dumbing down

of a lot of film because of the fact that we're not even making film for we're making film for non-English speaking people right they have

if you go to France they have some of the most sophisticated films that you've ever seen yeah but if we're trying to make a movie that gets that you know

that's accepted over there we gotta have explosions and shit exactly because we don't know the intricacies and idioms of their culture that's interesting over there, we got to have explosions and shit. Because we don't know the intricacies and the idioms of their culture. That's interesting. The international market has broken it down

to the lowest common denominator. Well, only because we're catering to, in my opinion, some of the most sophisticated films I've ever seen have been made in the international market. My personal taste. Sure.

But at the same time, when we're raising all our money the same time, when we're raising all our money to make our movies, we're raising the money overseas, 90% of it. Okay, I'm just,

I'm gonna just say this for those who aren't aware, I'm just gonna make, I'm speaking the obvious here, but just for those who aren't aware, the way that it works these days is this.

If a comedy costs more than $30 million, it's probably not getting made. Anything else, if you're gonna make a film, you're to want to make it in the $100 million in upland, which is basically you're making four quadrant movies at that point where it appeals to the broadest audience possible. I think Michael Igor or something like that made that announcement when the proposal was so successful. They said we'd make another one. He was like, no, we're not making a follow-up.

I don't care if it made $140 million because it's going to cost 70 million to make it and by the time we spend that 70 million and we do the pna budget we're not going to recoup on that so if a comedy isn't under 30 million we ain't making it i think it was michael he was the guy who said that shit right okay cool so now everyone's jumping on on that bandwagon to try to keep the comedies but the thing is is that comedies like you think of woody allen and whatnot they were very specific to our culture right and so uh that type of stuff these days doesn't translate as well overseas right you know so you're making it for a niche market so you got to keep it like a million two million exactly so what happened with so what's happening with um with film these days is 90 of the money's being raised

in foreign markets right so we're here in america trying to make money, but in order to get that money, you have to put people in your film that sell overseas. Right. So in order to do that, you now have to make a movie that appeals to that market.

Yeah. And if you're an American making that movie and you're hoping to get some type of domestic gross, you're really kind of making a movie for non-English speaking people

and as a result of that, you're going to go for the explosions. But okay, so you've put together money that you got domestically. Domestically. And you've got Kevin Hart committed to it.

And it's a story of a flawed protagonist. Yes, exactly. And you hope that'll speak to who? Ultimately, what I want to do is- It's a comedy. Exactly. It's a dark comedy. And you wrote it?

I wrote it myself. Been writing it for a while. And what I want to do is- It's a comedy. Exactly. It's a dark comedy. And you wrote it? I wrote it myself. Been writing it for a while. And what I want to do is I basically want to start reintroducing the idea of the gray area in a movie. Yeah. No, I think the 70s did that and then we kind of lost that. I mean, Cuckoo's not a good example of that, but a lot of those movies where you have an anti-hero or someone you don't know how to feel about.

Exactly. Because they don't have all the heroic attributes. Yes, Cable did it so well with Breaking Bad and Damages. Oh my God, I didn't know if Glenn Close was a good guy, a bad guy. What is she doing? Even The Sopranos. The Sopranos, perfect.

Learn to love that family. Thank you, exactly. I'm working toward introducing that and just basically passing on a message in the movie, which is about how many of us are actually out there asking people to make sacrifices for us that we're not willing to make for ourselves. And it's also about letting go. It's about letting go of the things.

And where are we in production? Where are we in production on this? We are literally just closing up the deals right this second. This week, we will have closed the deals with our attached talent. That sounds great, man. never really got the calls that I thought I would get. I never really got invited to play with a lot of these, you know, other movies that had, had occurred. I never really was, I didn't start being asked to be a lead until recently, like over the last year and a half. How old are you? I'm 45. And so, you know, and I was good though. You look 35. Thanks man. I appreciate that. Thank you dude. You know, that's Trinidad. That's Trinidad. And you got to avoid sugar, bread, okay bread rice pasta all that shit is sugar i don't care what you say if it creates an insulin spike it's sugar and that's gonna make you old yeah what happens is like you know your cells become

resistant because it doesn't want to be poisoned by the insulin yeah and then you know it's called age is the process where that where all these remnants of sugar attach themselves to the you know to the your cells and then you, to the, your cells and, you know, the walls of your cells. And then as a result of that, you lose the elasticity in them. And, you know, so I'm telling you, I stopped eating sugar for five years. No more cake, no more ice cream. No, no, you know, in moderation. But the thing is that what we don't realize is that we're living extreme and then we want

to go from extreme to moderate. No, no, no, no, no, no. You got to go from one extreme to the next and then you got to work your way back to moderate. All right. Well, tell me about, before we go, tell me about Tijuana Jackson. Oh, no, no. No, no, no. You got to go from one extreme to the next and then you got to work your way back to moderate. All right. Well, tell me about before we go. Tell me about Tijuana Jackson. Oh, Tijuana Jackson. He's an ex-convict turned motivational speaker that I created. And, you know, Mike Myers really helped influence that as well. I've been doing him for like 13 years. Doing him where?

Doing him. I just doing him for my friends. And then a few years ago, I put him on the Internet and that was all she wrote. Yeah. And, you know, he's like he's this dude who is flawed again the gray area he's heavily flawed he'll be smoking a cigarette and preaching about health at the same time sure yeah and he's got these interesting quotes where he's like you know uh he's like life coach with a goon hand you know and he'll be like you know uh life life life is like a vending machine you know i'm saying it's full of change you know that type of shit he thinks he's really proud of himself you know what i mean early bird early bird gets the worm early hawk get to eat both them bitches hermy so that's on youtube it's on

youtube you look up tijuana jackson and if you are not entertained my name is not romney malco it was great talking to you man you too man thank you for having me I'm a big fan of you and I geeked the fuck out yeah I geeked out a little bit you've had some great interviews on here man

so is your pop still alive? my dad passed away in 2008 and your mom? my mom is still alive I just went to go see her I just got back yesterday I flew back for this interview was your pop able in 2008. And your mom? My mom is still alive. I just went to go see her. I just got back yesterday. I flew back for this interview. Was your pop able to see some of your success? My dad was. My dad came with me to the premiere of 40-Year-Old Virgin. Funny shit.

Funny shit. So my dad comes with me to the premiere of 40-Year-Old Virgin. You know Jerry Bedknob? The guy who played the Indian guy that I've been friends with? He looks at my dad and my dad looks at him and they, what the fuck you doing here, boy? Turns out that they knew each other from Trinidad.

Get out of here. Yeah, that was great. We had a great night. That's hilarious. My dad got, him and my dad got shit-faced that night. Oh, well, that's sweet, man. Well, thanks for talking,

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