WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 526 - Ty Segall

Episode Date: August 20, 2014

In a way, Ty Segall has the life Marc always wanted. Still in his mid-20s, Ty already has eight solo albums, as well as others with various bands, and rubs shoulders with rock legends while making music with his long-time friends. That probably explains why Marc is so excited to get a modern rock lesson from Ty, covering pyschedelia, noise rock, no wave and modern punk. Ty also explains his DIY approach to creating albums, which is not unfamiliar to a podcaster like Marc. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck, buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fucks the bulls? What the fuck, buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fuck's the bulls? What the fuckleberry fins? What the fucking delphians? Ty Siegel is on the show, the guitarist, drummer, musician. This guy does great garage, psychedelic, hard rock, man. I mean, this kid has got like, he's not that old.

He's like in his 20s. Got like seven albums out, dozens of other things out. He's always putting out records. And it was one of those situations where some guy turned me on to him. I listened to the band Fuzz because it was recommended to me by Liz and Lance down at Permanent Records. And I took it home and I'm like, where the fuck did this come from? Is this a world I need to know about?

This whole garage psychedelic world that i was out of because i'm an old guy and they told me about ty and i'm like ty ty siegel okay man what what else do i need get his album slaughterhouse i'm like holy shit look at the cover both these covers are fucking cool so then i bring slaughterhouse home and i'm like god damn what is this this is awesome and then i go back and i, yeah, he's got like five other records out. I'm like, how old is this kid? Five records? It was insane to me. He's like making records every other day and they're all solid.

They're all raunchy and garagey and psychedelic and cool. Crunchy. Born in 1987. Wow. So I get Slaughterhouse and I go back to Lance and Liz over at Permanent and I'm like, what? Where is this coming from? Is there any more? And they're like, well, you're in luck because he's got like five other records. Who is this Ty Siegel? And they're like, he works here at the store sometimes on Tuesdays. He's from the Bay Area, but he's down here now. And sometimes

he just hangs out. I'm like, he needs to work here. And they're like, no, he just likes hanging out. And I'm like, Ty Siegel, the guy who made that music i just heard really loud in my house comes to this store he's going to be at this store and here i am like i'm completely fanboying out on this kid who's like what what did i say 26 27 years old yeah you mean i could just come to the store and meet me ty siegel here i can meet the the guy that made the sounds on that thing the guy who rocks really hard i can meet him and i'm like a little like i'm getting all jittery i'm like i meet ty siegel in my heart in my child's mind in my in my youth i was like i'd love to be a rock guy you know i'd love to do that and you guys know this about me i mean i used to model

myself after rock guys in a way i think i started smoking cigarettes because of keith richards i read in a in a magazine interview with keith richards they asked him what kind of cigarettes he smoked and i was like 14 and he said uh smoke marlboros or newports and i'm like i'm getting a pack of each let's see what fits menthol thing wasn't for me but i stuck with marbles for a long time not proud of that thank you keith could have been heroin it wasn't and then there was a period there where i i got tom waits his nighthawks at the diner and i thought that that album was so cool because he seemed so laid back he was funny sound like he'd been through some shit that i dressed like he looked on the cover of that record i got

myself a cap i got myself a ratty jacket only buttoned down shirts, some jeans and some shoes. And I walked around, I was like 15. I'm like, yeah, man, how's it going? Let me play a song for you. I got no one to take care of me. That was waiter waits, but you get the idea. Yeah, and then there was a period in college where I needed to rockabilly out, so I did that for a little while. Now I was into Bowie, but that seemed a little draining to go through all of his outfits. Nonetheless, what I am telling you is that I am always enchanted by music i like music i think i said last week or whatever that i i need i need a sound a song a melody that'll just slowly jerk

off my brain until i finish i want to feel the build i want to feel the power man and i like all kinds of music but there's something about ty siegel's music he does this psychedelic thing and when he hits it man he fucking hits it and on this new record manipulator it's like it's just interesting as a guy you know who's at my age where you know i locked into slaughterhouse i locked into fuzz which he only played drums on i didn't know i thought it was all him and uh and through him i got to michael cronin who's his pal, MC2. That record. He's a buddy of Ty's from the Bay Area. And that record's fucking great. Anyways, back to The Manipulator, his newest record, which will be out next week, I think.

Because I got into him, I got into his early stuff, and I went back and got into all the other early stuff, and I listened to it, I could hear his evolution, I could hear what he was trying to do, and now he puts out this double record, Manipulatorulator and it's just fucking everything he was working towards and he just cleaned up the production on it and everything sits on its own beautifully there's no not a lot of buzz or mud or fucking you know echoing in the sense of like that we're we're playing in a hangar we're just recording this with a cassette player this shit is tight on the production and I'm fuck I've already listened I got one song in there that I played three or four times and he's gonna play it on the podcast you can play in a few minutes this kid this kid seagull got me all worked up got me all fanboying out

yeah yeah you know i music music very important to me what can i tell you and i'm excited to have ty siegel on the show today okay all right man i'm just gonna do it i'm just gonna do it one day it'd be weird if i accomplish everything i want to accomplish and i'm i'm like all right time to start the band but that wouldn't be unusual that's not looked upon with with with happiness no one sees a guy that you know made his life doing something else to turn to music in his 50s and says no one says like finally all right this is what we've all been waiting for it doesn't fucking matter man i'm gonna do it for me it's okay if i do something for myself is that okay with you people huh know that i was excited talking to Ty Siegel. You'll know. Boy.

That's all right, man. I'm just going to start a band. Like some company was going to send me a Wurlitzer that they never sent me. They made promises on Twitter and I was waiting for a Wurlitzer. And I actually ran into Ty the other day when he gave me Manipulator. And I'm like, I was supposed to get this organ in the mail and never came. He's like, cool. And I'm like, yeah, it's cool because I'm going to put it in your studio because i got nowhere for it and i'm gonna come over there and we're gonna

figure out how to play the fucking thing he was like great now i wish i would send it anyways this is my talk with you can get anything you need with uber eats well almost almost anything so no you can't get an ice rink on u Eats. But iced tea and ice cream? Yes, we can deliver that. Uber Eats. Get almost almost anything. Order now. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. It's a night for the whole family. Be a part of Kids Night when the Toronto Rock take on the Colorado Mammoth at a special 5 p.m. start time on Saturday, March 9th at First Ontario Centre in Hamilton. The first 5,000 fans in attendance. We'll get a Dan Dawson bobblehead courtesy of backly construction. Punch your ticket to kids night on Saturday,

March 9th at 5. P.M. In rock city at Toronto rock.com. I see you go. So where the fuck, where did you come from, man? I mean, like, I've been talking about you for a while, and then, like, how old are you? 26. You're 26, and you've got more albums than the Beatles out,

somehow or another. I'm not sure how that worked. But where'd you grow up? I'm from Orange County, so just down the street. Really? Yeah. So, like, beach town. Yeah?

But, like, fancy Orange County? Kind of, yeah. You grew up fancy? Yeah, well, you know, we were not wanting at all, definitely. What was the family business? My dad was a lawyer. Oh, yeah? My mom was an artist.

What kind of artist? She did all kinds of stuff. She did multimedia stuff and sculpting and painting. Really? And then she eventually designed handbags. Really? Like weirdo handbags. So your mom, like, my mom did that later.

And, like, she went to school for art and kind of taught art, and then she tried painting and stuff, and then eventually she got into a, she tried to start a splattered sweat outfit business. Whoa. Where she'd just splatter paint on blank sweat suits. That's amazing. I don't know if it ever took off, but your mom's handbags, they took off? They did for a while, and then she kind of just, yeah, she fell back into doing other art. Yeah?

You know? But like, were you always impressed with it? It's good to have one creative parent in the house. I mean, she's an insane illustrator. Oh, really? Yeah, she's really great at pen and ink um and paint and acrylic really yeah and painting yeah she's a good painter she's a very good did she do it professionally uh you know she went to school for a bit and did some design work but never really

too professional no but there's always stuff going on there's always paints around things yeah not not not anymore she doesn't do it anymore no yeah that's sad well she just just bailed on it yeah my mom just started doing it again at 73 or however old she is awesome she's like i'm gonna start painting again that's so cool i know it's nice you know i mean what are you gonna do when when you get to a certain age why once you let go of the dream why not just do it for a hobby? Yeah. Yeah. What kind of law was your dad in? Was he a good guy lawyer?

He was. Oh, yeah? He was a small business attorney. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Protecting the little guy? Yeah. Ah, that's fucking... It's cool to think about where he started from, because he's South African.

Really? Yeah. So he went from doing law in Africa and Swaziland. Really? Yeah. And then he moved to Amsterdam and he did like film work there. Huh. And then he moved to New York and got his law degree in New York and worked for MGM

as like talent relations so there's all these weird stories with like crazy 70s actors and stuff really yeah it's pretty wild

so he wasn't working as a lawyer he was just working no he passed away but oh it's good but yeah

no it was it was crazy it's cool and then he well so you so your family your father's side of the family's

what dutch south african yeah yeah and uh german uh-huh do you have family down there have you gone down there they're all gone they've all moved i have family in australia really yeah family uh they were in england and now they're in spain and then we're here that's my dad's side uh-huh then you visit do you go to did you go have, have you toured Australia and looked up the cousins or whatever? Yeah. Yeah. We hung out for, it was really cool. They're from Perth.

Yeah. And I was in Sydney. I didn't go to that side of the continent. Uh-huh. And they flew over to hang out. Yeah. It was really, really cool. Well, that's nice.

Yeah. There's not a lot to do in Australia. You know what I mean? It's like you got a cousin in from the States. You better go see him because they may never come back. Yeah, who knows. Did you like Australia? What band did you go to Australia with?

I went with my band. We've got to break this shit down. The loud band. Yeah. You actually have, there was a distinction between them all. Yeah, well, there was the sleeper band, which is like the acoustic band. Is that new or old? That was pretty new, yeah.

I know, because I just got Sleeper. Cool. But you consider that's new? That's the most recent one, yeah. Right, but it's real acoustic-y. Yeah. And then before that, Twins. I got Twins.

Cool. And that one, I'm trying to remember. That's a mix. Not really heavy, though, right? Yeah. I mean, it's kind of poppier. Right. And you're aware of this?

Like, you're like, this is going to be a pop record? Yeah. Well, my whole idea with that one was pop, like really screwed up pop, like really fucked up pop. Uh-huh. You know? The Slaughterhouse? Yeah.

The Slaughterhouse is the live band. That's like the electric band. So that's all live Slaughterhouse? Yeah. Well, the Slaughterhouse is the live band. That's like the electric band. So that's all live, Slaughterhouse? Yeah, well, that's just everybody in the band playing. But not in front of an audience. No. Right. Just live in the studio.

Buzz Live, I have. I've almost got all your records. Man, that's crazy. The one with you and Michael Cronin, I have. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Now, you guys are buddies?

Yeah. All right, let's back up. So you're in Orange County. You're a kid. Your mom's an artist. Your dad's a cool Dutch-German lawyer from South Africa who's got a history in show business and now is defending the little guy in small business law. Orange County, Republican stronghold, not necessarily a rock and roll town.

The Orange Curtain, I used to call it. Right. Yeah. Now, I can't really imagine from what I feel from your music, perhaps that was all building out of contempt for your environment. Yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

You have siblings? I do. I have a little sister. Oh, yeah? Yeah. What does she do? She's in high school. High school?

Yeah. She's turning 18 in two weeks. Oh, my God. Yeah, it's wild. How's she turning out? Great. Oh, good. Yeah, she's turning 18 in two weeks. Oh my God. Yeah, it's wild. How's she turning out? Great. Oh, good. Yeah, she's...

Did she go the artist's way? She was more the scholastic route until fairly recently. Yeah, she got into music like about a year ago, which is so rad. Oh, no. Yeah. No, it's good. Yeah? Yeah.

She was a studier. She did her homework. She got the A's, and now she's like, I want, no. Yeah. No, it's good. Yeah? Yeah. She was a studier. She did her homework. She got the A's, and now she's like, I want to rock. Yeah. She's getting free. Oh, yeah? That's cool. What is she doing?

Is she singing? She's not playing music. She's just all about going to shows and getting into music. Does she go to your shows? Yeah. She's been to a couple. What does she think? She's stoked.

Yeah. It's kind of like, you know, I think we're really loud. Yeah, I think you are. I lost a lot of hearing, so I'm not too sure how loud we are. Have you lost some hearing? Yeah, I got tinnitus. Well, why don't you put, don't you wear? I just went to the doctor and got those special earplugs made.

Oh, really? You've never worn them before that? Well, not really. It's kind of stupid. the doctor and got those special earplugs made oh really you've never worn them before that well not really i used to it's it's kind of a it's stupid it's stupid but there's like a thing about you can just feel the music better yeah it's it's it's part of the liabilities of being a fucking yeah you know balls to the wall loud guitar player it's like you gotta take the hit if you want the buzz you gotta take the hit just try to maintain enough to be able to play a little bit eventually. I mean, I think you're a little young for the hearing loss.

Yeah, that's why I kind of got freaked out. Yeah. My right ear is pretty bad. I got a constant ringing. You do? Yeah. Oh, fuck, man. Right now, if we're quiet, it's like...

Really? Yeah. You fucked it that much? Yeah. Oh, shit. But I can stop it now. Yeah? Yeah, so fucked it that much? Yeah. Oh, shit. But I can stop it now. Yeah? Yeah, so.

All right, so when did you start? What was high school like? Were you a stoner or no? No. Actually, I've never been able to smoke weed. You don't seem like a stoner, guys. I can't smoke weed. What's your thing?

I freak out. I get super weird. Yeah? I'm like that paranoid guy. Yeah, yeah. Like the guy that leaves and like- Why are they all looking at me? Calls everybody the next day

like every like if there's 20 people in the room I'll call every person and be like I'm so sorry I don't know what I did and they don't even know

and they're like you were just sitting there yeah it's weird you were the guy looking panicked on the couch locked up

no I was more of a you know beer guy oh really yeah no tripping no yeah I you know I've that was more of a beer guy. Oh, really? Yeah. No tripping? No, yeah.

That was more in college. Lots of mushrooms. Where'd you go to college at? In San Francisco. That's why I stuck around. That's why you ended up there? Yeah. So you're in Orange County.

You go to high school. Do you have bands in high school? Yeah, yeah. I had one called Epsilons, and through that that band was kind of how I met Charlie who's the guitar player in Fuzz oh that goes all the way back yeah and Michael Cronin went to high school with you yeah I don't know that guy like you guys are all these like these new punks that are coming up and like you're like I don't know how you guys generate so much music but I think it's good but I have no point of reference for like if I didn't meet you up at permanent records i would not you know you would just be this mythic guy with this sound that i'm familiar with i can't i can't get i can't get over how many records you have out

i'm just bored man is that it i i'm so excited i bought i bought a house you bought a house you're selling some records crazy really yeah what was the big cash cow which record oh man you know i've just been saving money since i was like you know 19 oh really 20 yeah i just that was like one thing my dad was really big on was like just put it away and do you make a lot of money like because i got to assume just by virtue of the fact that you know i don't shut up about you that there's other people that don't shut up about you, and that you must be pulling pretty good when you play live. The records must be selling all right.

I mean, I'm a lucky guy. Yeah, I mean, it's not like a giant band or anything. You're not Elton John or anything. Yeah, but we're a very lucky working band. We get to work and not kill ourselves, but make a living. It's cool. All right, so you play a little in high school. You do all right in high school. You go to college where?

USF, University of San Francisco. Okay. What was the first guitar, and what was blowing your mind? I mean, what planted the seed of this balls-to-the-wall, psychedelic, rock-hard kind of mentality that you have? Well, I was a drummer first, actually. Really? Yeah. Okay.

Which was cool. I would just play drums to Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin and stuff. Important. Important. Yes, very important. I got a volume four tattoo. Holy shit, that's right. I think he's showing that.

See, that's my favorite record. And I don't know their- It's the best one I fucking agree man it's the best but Sabbath Heads well they'll just get pissed off at you

it's a very heated subject matter and we're just talking about from the first five albums or so not all the way out yeah because I don't listen

all the way through Heaven and Hell D.O. all that stuff well I don't I just don't I missed Sabbath when I was the proper age

to get Sabbath. So now because I'm getting into the vinyl thing, now I'm catching up on shit. I wasn't a metal kid. So like, I like Zeppelin, but Sabbath,

I don't know why, it just never did it for me. Yeah. But now I'm like, they're great. Yeah. But Sabbath 4, for some reason,

is the one. That's the one. Somebody told me it's a great album because you can, there's a song on there for everything. There's a song to rock out for and there's a song that you can play at a wedding.

Oh, yeah. Changes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can cry to that song. It's a very versatile album in terms of the events that you can use it at. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And why do you think it's the best album?

Just because of versatility? It's kind of the weirdest one. Yeah. Yeah, and it's for that reason, too, the versatility of it. No, yeah, it's kind of the weirdest one. Yeah. Yeah, and it's for that reason too, the versatility of it. No, yeah, it's very weird. It's also a super, even like the most Iommi. Yeah, yeah.

I think he was mixing it or he was there and he just kept turning himself up. Like by the end of the record, he's like so loud. Yeah. It's awesome. You know? I gotta listen to that.

The creeper fade the whole time. Oh, really? Is that what it's called? You just gotta slip it in? The Creeper. Well, someone told me, or maybe someone tweeted at me, that they don't even remember recording that record. Yeah, man.

I don't blame them. Snowblind. Exactly. They must have been fucking out there. Oh, yeah. But, like, I never realized when you listen to those records, and also in the way that it seems that you produce records sometimes, that i for for the for the reputation they have as sort of these defining force and metal it's it's very clean i mean the production is very clean there's no it's not you can hear

everything there's nothing you know over you know i guess it was just the time too but they're such solid you know nicely produced records oh yeah it's the best. It's the best. Okay, so Sabbath 4, Zeppelin what? Zeppelin 1 through Physical Graffiti. All of them? Right, but Zeppelin 3 is great, right? Zeppelin 3 is my favorite. Mine too, but no one agrees with us. No, it's the best.

What is... See, now I understand why I like your music. There's some sort of synchronicity going on but no one people argue that shit with you man night and day you know what

this is like totally blasphemous and weird to say but it's the least Zeppelin of the Zeppelin records it's like more

all over the place again it's that varying and it's the most enjoyable and some people be like Physical Graffiti is most enjoyable. And some people would be like, Physical Graffiti's the best one, and some people would be like, Zeppelin II's the best one for rocking hard,

but I thought, right, it's the most versatile. Yeah, I love three. Three and four. We've got it. We've admitted it. We've admitted it to the public. That's what we're into with those bands. So who are the other guys, though?

What got y'all psychedelic? Well, actually, it's funny. I mean, it's funny. I mean, it's like classic rock, like Cream and all that stuff. How come I never, I can't fucking. Cream. I just can't do the Cream. I mean, I don't know what the hell's wrong with me, man.

You like the big guitar sound? I love Cream. Yeah. I mean, Ginger Baker is such a freak. Yeah. He's a total weirdo. I think my problem with it is there's a couple of melodies that I mean, Ginger Baker is such a freak. Yeah. He's a total weirdo. I think my problem with it is, like, I don't, there's a couple of melodies that I like, and I can hear the drive of it, and I dig it,

but, like, I don't know, man. I don't love the lyrics. They're sort of boring to me, and his guitar is okay, but I'm not huge on Clapton in general, but those are some pretty big riffs in Cream. Yeah, I'm not a big, I honestly don't like Clapton. Yeah. I don't, but I like him in Cream.

Blah, blah, blah. Yeah. You can't beat that. Yeah, it's pretty standard, you know. It's big, it's big. Yeah. It's an important one. It's one of those ones that, and Smoke on the Water, no matter what generation of kid

is picking up a guitar to play the first time, they're going to play those. Smoke on the Water, first song I learned. Well, that's it. Yeah. When was the last time you fucking listened to that song, though? I actually listened to that song like a week ago. Really? Yeah, Machine Head.

Yeah. That record rules. It does rule. I like those early Deep Purple records. I don't know if I can get into Rainbow and like, I just haven't had time. You know, like Dio, Rainbow? Yeah. I don't know if I can get into Rainbow. I just haven't had time. You know, like Dio, Rainbow? I don't know.

I went to see my friend Dave was in high school. He was so into Rainbow. We drove up to Denver to see him from Albuquerque. I didn't really like Rainbow that much. And we drove 10 hours. We didn't have tickets. And we were going to scalp tickets. That's how fucking stupid we were.

It was just go. And he walked up to some dude online and said, I'll give you $50 for your tickets. And the dude, back then a you know a lot it was like 77 or something 76 the guy was like okay so we saw a rainbow and i don't remember at all you don't remember no but i do remember john cougar opened for them whoa as john before john cougar melon cap like the first record it was like the punk john cougar kind of or like the stones he stonesy John Cougar. The heavier Cougar? Well, it was like, it was I Need a Lover and, I don't know that stuff

at all. Yeah, it was a little stonesier. It was before he had an affectation. He was a pretty good showman. Cool. You know,

it was all right, but I don't remember Rainbow that well. Maybe I got fucking wasted. All right, so what about, like, what about Hendrix

and those guys? Well, yeah, no, yeah, like, that was, that was it.

That was like the big, the big three, which is pretty standard, like Jimmy, no, yeah. Like, that was it. That was, like, the big three, which is pretty standard. Like, Jimmy, Zeppelin, and Sabbath. And then the more, the older I got, the more into punk I got. Right. And, like, noise and, like, weird, like, have you heard James Chance? In the black, James Chance. And the contortions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I got that first record. Yeah, like, DNA and, got that first record. Yeah, like DNA and all of the weird... I actually got into weirder No Wave stuff before Psychonautic Music. What is that? What's No Wave stuff? No Wave is like... It's the contortions, kind of dissonant dance, disco.

Oh, dance though? But no... Did you ever get into Fred Frith And John Hassel And Brian Eno Oh yeah And you know Like Fred Frith Frith and Eno Yeah yeah yeah

That live record Fripp Robert Fripp Fripp Yeah Fripp There's two guys There's Fred Frith

Is sort of a noise guy But kind of like You know noise Like you know Like traffic noises Right Clanking garbage cans And stuff

And then And then Robert Fripp Was a guitar player For King Crimson And he's like That's like math on the guitar. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

And the core of the Crimson King, man. Yeah, you like that one? So good. I get it. You know, it's like I'm trying, man. It's a grower. I guess. Because when I was like 15, I was like-

Can't do it. 21st Century Schizoid Man is the best song ever made. Yeah. And then the rest of the record, I was like, I don't like this. Yeah. But then I threw it on when I was like 21, and I was like, I got it. Really? Yeah.

It delivered? It's just because you can't listen to it expecting to hear a 21st century schizoid man again. Right. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. You know, Lance has got me on the kraut rock now. Oh, yeah. I love that shit.

So good. It's so good. And I've been listening to Spaceman 3 a little bit. Oh, yeah. And those Hawkwind records you made me get, those are good. Yeah, crazy stuff, right? It is, it's very bizarre. I didn't really notice that certain records, like I got a reissue of the first Thin Lizzy record.

I don't know what the fuck is going on on that record. There's some records where I just don't understand what's happening, but it's nice. But I mean, when you put on those old Hawkwind records, you're not rocking out. You're just sort of sitting, right? Yeah. I mean, it's like, well, it's like Motorhead on tons of psychedelics. Slow down. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Yep. Yep. And there's, you know, just, there's a dude in the band who sits there and turns the noise knob the entire time is there just there is yeah there was like a guy he he just affected the music you know plugged into it was just it was on the mixer he was in a giant pa that band is amazing and they had like a stacia a naked dancer yeah and all their shows that was just painted it's you know yeah it's crazy yeah and but those but early on like i don't know the whole history of them but they're obviously there

was this is a very specific thing what what is their hippie connection why are they well they were man i i don't i don't know the exact name of the scene i want to say the cantonbury scene in like england that's where like the soft machine and stuff do you know that band soft machine and um like kevin ayers and and and those those bands came from i'm not too sure but i know that they started in like the hippie scene and then they just kept going yeah yeah yeah and their whole whole thing was kind of like a commune kind of band. Okay. So it was that kind of thing. Like it was just a big, it was a huge band with a huge stage show. Yeah. And a bunch of the same people following them around.

Yeah. Right. They're like the dead almost. Yeah. Really insane, like way crazier version of the dead. But like the same kind of appeal to a very core group of people that got it. Yeah. They weren't for everybody i

think they were like way nastier oh yeah obviously just like with the loyalty and the weirdness of the lifestyle i just imagine oh yeah yeah for sure and it's yeah so who are these no wave bands because who else did you make me buy the fall the fall that's a big one yeah Yeah, I got it. I don't have any. Oh, man. I would say start off with Dragnet. Yeah. And then go for Grotesque or Live at the Witch Trials. Those seem to be all Gateway Fall records. Okay. Like, it's weird.

I'm recording this, yet I'm writing this down. Don't want to lose this information. So was a big one oh yeah so when'd you make the jump to guitar how did that work oh well when i got into punk yeah it was kind of like i mean it's such a typical thing to say but it's you know it's like you hear nervous breakdown or like black flag and you're like oh i think i could I could maybe do that, maybe. Or just like that. I could play power chord. Right, but you liked playing drums. Yeah.

And you'd played some guitar, but you were a classic rock head. Yeah. Right. And then I just got obsessed with doing more punk guitar. It's a rhythm thing. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the first guitar?

I was cheating it. Yeah. What do you mean? Open tuning? No, just like the two-finger chord thing. Yeah. Yeah. So what was the first guitar? I was cheating it. Yeah. What do you mean? Open tuning? No, just like the two finger chord thing. So not playing all the strings. No, no. Yeah.

Two strings. Distorted. Oh yeah. Really loud and distorted. You know, lots of cheating. I feel like my musical life has been cheating. No, no. You're just using the equipment like you want to use it.

Just turn it up. Sure, man. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's, well, that's the's the great thing about rock is that, and I started to realize that it's like, you don't need to be a virtuoso of anything. You just need to be able to do what you want to do. Yeah, totally. You know what I mean?

I think virtuosos on some level, you can appreciate them, but sometimes they're overrated. And the guys that are just sort of like, you know, raw are the ones that are really delivering the goods on an emotional level. That's what it is. Yeah. There's this guy, Billy Childish. He was in a ton of bands, like The Headcoats. He's an English dude. Yeah, I think I...

He's great. Yeah. And that was my first introduction to the kind of garage rock punk psych-ish thing. I know that guy's name what were his bands the headcoats the buff medways the milkshakes mighty caesars uh-huh he's amazing so that guy blew your mind well he was the first he was like one of the first guys truly that kind of got across this emotional thing oh there he is different than like punk yeah it was just like a rock and roll and a mod i guess what i'm saying it's like a modern rock and roll emotive yeah guy and he's a total poet and it was yeah so that was kind of where'd you get who turned you on to that

shit oh man who is your who is your uh who is your guide man when you're a teenager there must have been some older dude that was like, oh, man. There were some punk kids at my school who actually were not the nicest guys. Right. But I found out about some cool music, mostly like Orange County punk. And, you know, there's like surf punk and stuff like that because I'm a surfer. And it was like a skateboard surfing kind of thing down there. Yeah, yeah. And then...

You surf? Yeah. Like how often? You picked the wrong neighborhood. I know. You got to take a pretty good drive. Yeah. I don't mind driving though.

What do you drive? I don't have a car right now. How'd you get here? My van exploded. How'd you get up here? My girlfriend's car. Oh. Camry.

But you live down the street. Corolla? I got a car. Oh. Camry. But you live down the street. Corolla? I got a Camry. Yeah. Yeah, but you live down the street. It's not that big a deal. Yeah, yeah. So you surf.

You got your own board and everything. Yeah. And you got a wetsuit. I do. And you go out there and just lay out there until something happens. Yeah. It's the therapy, man. Where do you go around here?

What's the best place? Go all around. I'll go down to Orange County sometimes. i'll go to malibu sometimes but when's the day start for a surfer how does that work when you're like i gotta go over here over here it's different like if you lived on the beach you know it's you know you could like go surfing on your lunch break or whatever if you have you know if you just throw the board in the water for an hour yeah but here it's it's different because of traffic so you either have to do like get up at five yeah you're in the water by six and then you surf till 9 30 or 10 when the traffic when you get home and then you can get home or you do the the the the noon the noon to three

yeah so what's the what's what's a good day surfing i mean what do you what determines like can you go for like three hours and not like get a good wave yeah but it's more it's it's not it's it's more just about going uh-huh you know it's kind of like if you were a runner yeah jogger yeah even just you know a musician or a jogger or even just, you know, a musician or whatever. It's like, it's just the, the practice or the, the time spent giving yourself that time away from all other thoughts, you know? Yeah. Yeah. So you don't get out on that. You're not out on the surfboard thinking like, Oh God, that's a good riff.

No, no, you have to, you have to cut your mind off. You have to like, let it all go away. Yeah. No, you have to cut your mind off. You have to let it all... Go away. Yeah, go away. Blank slate. It's kind of the only place I can do that. Really? Yeah.

All right, so you're dicking around down there with the Orange County punk scene, skating, surfing, hanging out with not very nice guys who are turning on to good music. And then, so you had the band, The Epsilons, where you played drums. I played guitar in that band. Okay, so you had the band, The Epsilons, where you played drums.

I played guitar in that band. Okay, so you and Michael Cronin are on guitar. Michael joined at the very end of that band. He was in a band with me before that played house parties and stuff where I was on drums and he was on saxophone. He plays sax. Yeah.

Cronin plays sax. He's an insane saxophone player. And a piano player and a guitar player. Can he play drums? Yeah. He can play drums too. He's an insane saxophone player. And a piano player and a guitar player. Can he play drums? Yeah. He can play drums too. He's the secret weapon. Oh, he is.

He's the bad man. Cronin. Yeah. Cronin's the guy. Cronin's the secret weapon, man. Yeah. He's the guy you go to when you need to fix it. Yeah.

You're like, I screwed it up, man. Can you do something? He'll go, accordion. You're like, oh, I never thought of that. Perfect. So he's a multi-instrumentalist yeah because i did i listened to cronin too like you know because you guys are so different in in terms of how you approach things he's obviously like uh like he wants to make pop songs yeah and he does really pretty pop songs but then like a couple of songs it's just like what and then a couple that like the record you guys did was not a pop record.

No. It's total weirdo. Yeah. Yeah. So you've been in it like already by the end of high school, you've been in what, three or four bands? Two. Two bands.

The house band and the Epsilons. Yeah. What was the house band called? Love This. It's funny. Okay. Yeah. Ridiculous.

We had a, oh man, we had a shirt with an arrow pointing down oh really yeah it's funny funny stuff uh-huh but that wasn't 16 yeah no that was like that was like kind of more that was like dance music uh-huh yeah and what about this no wave business so so that was kind of what that was which is give me some examples of the bands like Like the Contortions. Okay. I mean, Sonic Youth started in that vein. Yeah. You know, DNA. Mm-hmm. ESG could be considered that.

Yeah. There's a rad comp called No New York. Yeah. Which is like just a compilation of that stuff. Yeah. It's really, really great. So when did the... So you get into college and you go to San Francisco.

When did the um so you get you get into college and you go to san francisco when did the idea because i i think that a lot of this the theme that that seems to go on through your at least the electric records is definitely a commitment to raw garage sound yeah and more than more than like i mean obviously the riffs are there and everything else but you like to you just you like to fucking you like the noise in there. It sounds like you leave amps that buzz on way loud. There's a lot of buzz. Yeah. Buzzing. Buzz, fuzz.

It's good, right? Yeah. So where did that, when you were in San Francisco, what blew your mind there? How did you come into, what did you study? I studied media studies. So you just were just there. Yeah. Well, especially at that time, because I graduated high school in 2005.

Yeah. So my poor professors were like, so today you're going to just look at Facebook and we're going to talk about it because we don't know what this is. And we'd be like, okay. That was class? Yeah, it was some of the classes. And then there were other professors that were very sternly rooted in the old communications. Did you have any real interest in it or were you just kind of buying time?

To be honest, I was under the assumption that i could eventually get like a recording engineering degree right through that route but then i i got very impatient and i just stuck to that and you went all the way through four years you did yeah shit yeah and you were what running around playing in bands at the same time yeah it's pretty brutal like what were the bands in san francisco this band traditional fools yeah we were like a surf band like a surf punk band you're playing guitar and drums we'd actually rotate around which is fun uh-huh yeah surf punk yeah who's the seminal surf punk band there's a band called the surf punks yeah and it's just like what is it hot rotted uh

what dick what is that guy's name dick dale yeah yeah there's some like what is it hot rotted uh uh what dick what is that guy's name dick dale yeah yeah there's some like rat fink dick dale stuff but they're like that billy childish guy i was talking about and there's there's a whole rad like 90s uh era uh there's this band teen generate there's this label crypt records yeah yeah I think you'd really like this stuff. There's a comp called Back From The Grave. Yeah. And it's all obscure 60s weirdo, like garage, psych, fuzzed out, rock and roll. Yeah. Just raw, like the rawest.

Yeah. Were you Stooges guy? Oh, yeah. That seems to be the shit. Right? Crazy. Funhouse. Yeah. Nuts. Right? Crazy. Funhouse. Yeah.

Nuts. Do you have the Funhouse sessions? That's rad. But very extensive. Hours. Yeah. Rollins gave me that shit. He dumped that onto a hard drive for me.

Oh, man. It's crazy. Take 15 or whatever. Yeah. Funhouse. Rollins has got a remix that he did of Raw Power that he will not give anybody. How did he get those tapes? Iggy gave them to him.

That's insane. Yeah, like he just dumped them on him and Rollins said that there's actually, there's a clap track on it and there's like people clapping on some rhythm

and there's like background vocals that you can't hear in the mix that's out and he did, I wanted him to give it to me. We're not buddies but we did some shows together. I'm like, just give it to me. He's like, I can't give it to me. We're not buddies but we did some shows together.

I'm like, just give it to me. He's like, I can't give it to him. That's insane. He was in here. Iggy was in here. Oh,

whoa. He sat right there, dude. Yeah, he sat right where you are. Wow, that's insane. With no shirt on.

No way, really? He took his shirt off on the deck to do the interview. Oh my God, that's amazing. He's fucking insane,

man. He remembers everything, man. There's such a difference between Iggy and Jim. That. He's fucking insane, man. And he remembers everything, man. Like, there's such a difference between Iggy and Jim. That guy's a lifer, man. Yeah. He's, I mean, obviously, right? But, I mean, dude, he's destroyed his body for rock and roll.

I guess. It looks pretty good, though. Yeah, but he's, I mean, he like, he's got a crazy limp and his hips all screwed up. And my buddy, Brett, who works at Drag City, has an amazing story. The only time he got to see Iggy Pop. And it was like a solo Iggy Pop show. And I'm pretty sure it was like either in the late 90s or early 2000s. And Brett's like freaking out. He's like, oh, my God.

We're going to see Iggy Pop play. It's insane. Yeah. And they start with Lust for Life. Yeah. He's like, holy shit, this is insane. Great. And Iggy just runs right out.

Yeah. Takes a swan dive and there's a big cement barrier. Yeah. Lands on the cement barrier, breaks his leg. And then they immediately lift him up, carry him off the stage and that's the end of the show.

Just breaks his leg. First song. Brett was like, it was perfect, man. It was amazing. What did people, they must have been like, oh, fuck.

Yeah, it was like, holy shit. On the first song. He just ran into the swan dive and ate it. That's insane. I saw your buddy from the OCs. Dwyer?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. John. Does he live here now? Yeah, he moved here. It's interesting to me because I didn't really know that band until you told me about them. because I didn't really know that band until you told me about them. And they're obviously one of those bands that... There are certain bands that are kind of regional,

and they become a training ground and inspire a whole generation of people, but don't get their... That's them. That's John. Yeah. I saw him on his bike. He was riding around downtown, and he came to a show that I had just performed on,

and I was like, I know you. You're Ty's guy. Rad. Yeah guy rad yeah yeah no that's that's john like honestly like out of you talk to anyone like michael charlie all of um our friends that play music like he is like the godfather yeah you know like he was in like when we moved to san francisco it was like dwyer is the mayor of rock and roll here you know was he just to you guys or in a general sense because i mean they were probably there when i was there they've been probably been around for 20 years right yeah i mean um i mean dwyer's been playing yeah like 16 or 17 years or something but uh i think what's really cool what makes me really happy is like um when i was in high school his band the coach whips were like a huge

inspiration to tons of people i know um they weren't necessarily like a like a like a financial success or anything like that at that time right um but now and that was the same with the ocs for a long time and then we just got to watch them grow and grow and grow and grow and now they're like this institution like this huge like for for tons of people all over the world uh-huh like they're like most important, like, psychedelic rock band around. But don't you think you had something to do with that? No, man. It's John.

No, I know it's John. But, I mean, it just seems that, like, I wouldn't have really been, I wouldn't have known about them if you hadn't, if I hadn't gotten them through you. But then again, I'm 50, you know, and I've got other things to do. Yeah. But, like, you know, I love the record I have. I think I have two records, and I can totally get how he influenced you. Yeah. But, like, what was the relationship like?

Did you guys, were you and Cronin going to shows, or how did that sort of unfold? Yeah, no, I mean, we would all go, like, we went and saw the Coach Whips in high school. You did? Yeah. In Orange County? In L.A. In L.A. You came down for it.

There was a place, there's a place called place called the smell have you heard of that place um it's been around for like like 16 years um they've just had crazy shows yeah it's an all-ages place so it was like what were the ones that like blew your mind and made you go like oh i gotta push harder uh yeah them yeah uh tons of bands it was like you just go we would just go because it was all whenever we could yeah if we had no idea who the band was we would go yeah you know yeah yeah just to see live music yeah we were just like sponges you know i was all over the place it was like noise music rock and roll punk weirdo folk. Who's your favorite noise music? I mean, my range of noise music is just more in the rock and roll sense of noise.

So just rock and roll bands that are very noisy, like this band The Hospitals. Yeah. My friend Chris's band The Mayors. And it's more in that vein. Yeah. my friend Chris's band, The Mayors, and, you know, it's more in that vein. Yeah. Um, I mean,

yeah, I like, I like using noise as like a, another instrument on top of a song. Uh-huh. That's, that's what makes me

the most happy with noise. You know what I mean? Just sort of through it? Yeah, like, you can have just a track of noise playing the whole time. Like,

what do you use? Over a pop song. Like, what do you use? You can pop song. Like what do you use? You can use anything. What have you used? You can use just like literally. Running water? Well, I could put these headphones up to the mic.

Yeah. It'll feed back maybe. Yeah, get a little of that going. Yeah, or you could mic a faucet and then run it through an amplifier and then listen to it and then put the headphones on the microphone. Yeah. You know? Yeah. could you could i don't know you can play you could play like six of the same records at the same time at different speeds uh-huh and then just have that have you done these things no but we could do them you know i wish i had a better studio we could make a record we

could make a record right now what have you used for noise oh just i mean mostly feedback like guitar feedback and stuff you leave what you literally will just leave a guitar on an amp and just let it do its thing yeah like the have you heard jesus and mary chain uh-huh like psycho candy yeah like that's what they did the whole time it's just a feedback track throughout that entire record basically and you like that it's yeah it's crazy it gives this weird menace to the yeah it's sinister it's weird so you and dwyer though like you guys like i in my mind like i feel like um he was sort of a mentor yeah definitely he put out my first record uh-huh yeah and how did that how did that come to be which the which record is? That's the one where I'm underwater with like the bubbles and the mask. Yeah, yeah.

Well, I was in this band Traditional Fools. I can't keep up with this. Yeah, I don't even. How many bands are you in right now? Two. Three.

I'm in the Seagull band. Fuzz. And Traditional Fools will like always be around and will never be done. Who's in that? My buddy Andrew and my buddy Dave. Okay.

Yeah. So you just kind of every once in a while? Yeah. Uh-huh. We practiced two days ago. Uh-huh. Were you pavement? First time in a year.

Yeah. Yeah. He kind of did. He was sort of a little out there with the sound. Malcomus? Yeah. Steve. He was here sitting right there.

I know Steve. Yeah. You do? Yeah. He's a good guy. He's a good guy. I feel like we've tormented that guy. You do?

Why? Well, we have this thing where whenever we see Steve, we have to kind of be like his younger siblings or something and just show up in weird places and do weird stuff. Here's the funniest thing

because he's Steve Malcomus. Yeah. The dude from Pavement is obviously this legend yeah and it's just hilarious for me to call him Steve yeah what you know Steve yeah what's up Steve I feel the same way isn't that ridiculous it's just hilarious so that's our thing what a weird guitar player he's crazy I don't know his tunings are totally insane I don't know what he's doing I don't know where like I don't know how it makes sense.

It's crazy. And it's so cool. I mean, we got totally like, like, this is why it's hilarious to call him Steve. Yeah.

Because we went on tour for like five shows with his band. The Jicks? Yeah. And they're all, too, they're everybody.

So nice. Those people are so cool. And, you know, so we were playing like a, we played a Motorhead cover and like some other cover. And then for like two shows. And then Steve just, he comes out with kind of a smirk. And he does like six old punk covers like in a row.

Like Flipper, Black Flag, like all these like heavy hitters and yeah we were like oh yeah right on you know you got schooled we got schooled but it was rad yeah it was it was awesome he seems like that kind of guy it's like oh is that what you got yeah it was sweet yeah yeah okay so Dwyer though all right so he puts out your first record but what was that what was that dynamic like was he just like sort of like fuck you're a wizard kid no man

it was like I mean Dwyer is such a sweet person and he's such a he's he's just like a mammoth of like a musician

yeah I think he likes to work in just action so it was kind of like basically he saw the traditional fools play and it's funny because i never met him and i had a broken arm and i was on the drums and i would break your arm man i was skateboarding on mushrooms okay and was it worth it no it was not

worth it and that night the cops oh man that night to not worth it. And that night, the cops... Oh, man. That night... To go off for a second. That night, the cops came and... When you were skateboarding on mushrooms? Well, we were all on... There was like nine people on mushrooms drinking beer in this park.

Yeah. Alamo Square Park in San Francisco. And there's a steep hill. And I don't know yeah I'm wearing dress shoes right now I just I've always worn

dress shoes and for some reason I'm like I'm gonna skateboard down this hill I didn't think about the shoes skateboard down the hill

fall once everybody's like dude don't do that again that looked bad just don't do it again I was like no I can do it that looked bad

I can do it so I did it and I fell I broke my wrist I didn't think I did at the time. I was like, no, I can do it. That looked bad. I can do it. So I did it and I fell. I broke my wrist. I didn't think I did at the time because I was, you know, floaty dude on mushrooms. And then we go back to drinking and people are still skateboarding these hills. And then the cops showed up because there's a complaint because I thought someone was getting assaulted because there's so much noise. Right.

Coming from the park. But it's just these kids on mushrooms. Tripping and skateboarding. Breaking limbs. And what did the cops do? Nothing? They were very upset at first. They thought we were doing something bad.

Yeah. And how did you get out of it? Quote, unquote, freeze. We got the guns. Really? We got the guns. They said that? They said, we got the guns. And I was like, you got the guns. Really? We got the guns. They said that? They said, we got the guns.

And I was like, you got the guns, man. I don't got no guns. My arm hurts. Yeah, I don't know what's going on over here. And you're harshing my buzz. Come on, man. This is weird. So how'd you squirm out of that?

So we just said, hey, man, we don't have guns. We have skateboards. I'm sorry. Did they tell you to go home? Yeah, they were like, get the hell out of here. We were like, yes, officers. So we walked home, and then I woke up the next day with my hands underneath my pillow because that's how I sleep.

And then I had to tell my mom I just broke my hand skateboarding. I didn't tell her how or the real reason. Yeah, well, I gave her all the info. Yeah. But then two weeks later, I have a cast. I'm playing drums at the show. And Dwyer's there. And then after the show, he walks up to me.

He's like, oh, man, nice move, sticking the drumstick in your cast. Is that what you did? Yeah. And you could play? I couldn't grip it that well, so I had to stick it inside of my cast. And you were doing it? Yeah, I was trying. And it worked?

I don't know how well it worked, but... But it's pretty punk rock. I tried, you know? It impressed him. Yeah, I guess so. And then, you know, he started asking us

to play shows in that band, and then I was working on my own stuff, and then one day, I just, I had a demo, and i gave it to john and and i asked him this i actually asked him to send it to different labels for me or give me addresses to labels so he sent it to in the red a bunch of these labels that i actually

work with now and they all like didn't want to do it yeah which is pretty rad yeah and now you're winning that's funny no it's cool i've it's how does that work story as a as a musician though that you you are working with so many different labels i mean how does that work what's what's that relationship like because like well you do drag city you got a few out uh out on that who did who did swatterhouse in the red okay so you work with in the red and what's the other label uh uh well i've done stuff with Garner Records. Oh, yeah, Garner. Were they in Nashville?

They're in Memphis. Memphis, yeah. And John's label, which is Castle Face. And just tons of little things on little labels. But I guess a major label doesn't matter anymore. Who needs it? Pretty much. With the internet and how people take in music now.

But how do you decide which label you're going to go with? None of them expect loyalty necessarily? No. I mean, that's kind of the way I set it up is that I've never signed a contract or done anything. And it's all just with friends. These are all my friends now who run these labels. So you kind of spread it around. Yeah. And you do all your own producing? It's all just with friends. These are all my friends now who run these labels. So you kind of spread it around.

Yeah. And you do all your own producing? Not necessarily. I like mixing it up. Yeah. Like who do you work with as a producer and why? This guy, Chris Woodhouse. Yeah.

What's his trip? He does all the O.C.'s records. He just kind of has his sound.C.'s records. Uh-huh. He just kind of, he just has his sound. Yeah. His drums. I mean, it's just a specific thing. And then. It's like you do different variations of Garage. I guess so.

Rock and roll. Which one did Woodhouse? He did Slaughterhouse. Yeah. That's a fucking great record. Thank you. Stoked. And the Fuzz record. He did the record thank you stoked and um the fuzz record

he did oh yeah fuzz record so you went to him with the heavy stuff yeah he's got this amazing knack for like classic heavy uh-huh music you know that stoogey sound yeah yeah he's got that super awesome 70s yeah yeah sound and that's his thing that's that's his thing so who who produced sleeper i did that one at my house it's all acoustic yeah on the on an eight track who did the cronin and seagull record we did that at mike's house as a secret actually is it it's it's a garage band record yeah yeah no one's supposed to know that, but I guess now they will. What, the rest are analog? Well, there's one other one that's a digital

one, but yeah, GarageBand though. I mean, it blew my mind how it sounded. We're doing GarageBand right now. Yeah, there you go. You can do great stuff on GarageBand. But can you do separate tracks with microphones? Yeah. You can? Yeah. You can?

Yeah. You just have to have two different inputs. Are you using like an M-Box or something? No, the problem is I'm using an analog mixer. See, yeah, see, that's something I don't really know that much about. I know nothing about it. Look, I'm using this fucking clunky old Samson MDR-6. See, I know about the clunky old thing. But I don't know about the...

You can work this thing. I can work that thing. But once it goes into the computer, it's over. I don't know about the... You can work this thing. I can work that thing. But once it goes into the computer, it's over. I don't know. It's over. It's just some squiggly lines, you know? Yeah, I know.

I look at them all the time. So that one's a GarageBand album. All right, so who are the other producers you work with? This guy, Eric Bauer. What did he do? He did the Twins one. And why him?

He's just great. He did Melted and Goodbye Bread. the twins one and what why him um he's just great he did Melted and Goodbye Bread like he was he's a San Francisco guy and it's it's

working with him is great for him and I because we would just get really weird yeah we'd have a lot of time to get really strange I guess the real benefit

especially someone who's as prolific as you and just compulsive about you know doing time in the studio and just fucking making music that you want to lay down is that you know when you're not tied to any fucking label and you've got enough support from you know enough labels that you know that you and and you're sort of you know up high in the worlds you're in you can do whatever the fuck you want i mean i don't know about being up high and

no but i mean like in terms of like you know the fact that you know fuzz is a really you know big swatterhouse is a huge record i mean you know my my friend sharpling's real into you know tom sharpling yeah you know tom oh yeah yeah tom rules yeah he's great and he's like a fucking record head yeah you know he's like a big supporter of the ty siegel experience all right cool yeah and i love tom yeah he's great yeah but like you know you you like not unlike podcasting or something is that you can get records made without having to deal with bullshit i mean yeah i mean i'm i'm i'm a very lucky lucky guy i mean the the number one thing is to to to maintain control yeah mean, I know that sounds like a weird thing,

but just creatively. Mm-hmm. Not like control, like, you know, and other aspects, but it's just creatively like making a record just to be able to not have to, and this sounds weird, but to be able to not have to just give a record

to a label and go, oh God, are they going to cut four of those songs and make me redo it? Yeah. Like luckily, I'm a very lucky guy to work with labels that go oh god are they gonna cut four of those songs and make me redo it yeah like luckily i i i'm a very lucky guy to work with labels that just kind of are like this is your record you do what you want to do and we'll we'll help you do it yeah totally crazy it's great yeah and um what's the what's the songwriting process do you just impulsively or do you write in the studio do you are lyrics important yeah lyrics i've been trying to work more on lyrics as i get older it's funny to listen back to stuff you do and you're like 18

and you're like oh god it's so so bad man but you were hung up on the sound though weren't you yeah it's more trying to get the sound right lyrics i mean i had the mentality of like louis louis i was like you can't hear those lyrics yeah who cares what i say you know which is that was your your motto yeah yeah i was like blah blah blah blah blah yeah yeah cool yeah but the older i get i'm like wait a second yeah yeah yeah people people are listening that's weird you know some people like i'm weird like i just like the riffs you know and i like the the melody and like a lot of times I don't know what the fuck anyone's saying. I can't tell you that I know the lyrics of most songs all the way through. Yeah.

Yeah. The older I get, though, like, again, I'm full of cliches today. The older you get at 26. At 26. At 26. The older you get. No, it's like, you know, different points in your life, different songs hit you different ways, you know? Different lyricists, different writings, you know, different lyricists, different writings,

you know, poets, whatever. That's good to know. Yeah, it's fun. All right, you want to play a song?

Sure. Yeah, thanks for having me on. It's super cool. Yeah, no, man, I'm happy to.

Let me take me out of this. We were driving through New Mexico. You're from Albuquerque? Albuquerque, yeah, yeah. By the way, Christmas style enchiladas. Yeah? It's the best. I didn't even know what that is.

It's green and red. Sure, man. Oh, that's nice. That's a Christmas style. I never heard that before. I grew up there. Christmas style. Christmas style.

That's hilarious. Yeah, where'd you get them at? Santa Fe. That's good. Cool. I think we can do it. All right. I'll play a new one. Okay. That's good. Cool. I think we can do it. All right.

I'll play a new one. Okay. Called The Singer. That'll be fun to play a new one. All right. All right. That's good. I can hear the sound When my love's around Whistling the trees

It sits inside the breeze When my love's around Same, same, louder, louder So same, louder, louder Now I feel so down Down, down Shuffling on the ground So come hold me, we won't be found When my love's around around Sing Sing

Louder Louder So Sing Louder Louder So Sing Sing So Say Say

Say Awesome, man. Thanks for talking to me and playing. Yeah. That was my talk with Ty Siegel. Why am I so jacked? I'm always so jacked these days, but I think it's happy jacked. Happy jacked. Ba-ba-ba. Ba-ba-ba-ba-ba. That was Andy Kinler's version.

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