WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 536 - Tim and Eric

Episode Date: September 24, 2014

Tim Heidecker and Eric Wareheim created a comedy universe that defies easy explanation. But what Tim and Eric can explain to Marc is how they became friends and developed a signature style in unconventional ways. They also reflect on how that style is evolving as they star in a new TV series and tour the country with a live stage show. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Wait for it. Pow! What the fuck? And it's also, eh, what the fuck? What's wrong with me? It's time for WTF. What the fuck? With Mark Maron.

All right, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fucksters? What the fuckabill What the fucking ears? What the fucksters? What the fuckabillies? What the fuckstables? How's it going?

It's me, Mark Maron. This is WTF. Welcome to the show. I appreciate you hanging out. All right, look, Tim and Eric are here, all right? And Tim and Eric are Tim and Eric. Their show, Bedtime Stories, is airing on Adult Swim right now. There's a new episode tonight. They're also on tour with Dr. Steve Brule, a.k.a. John C. Reilly.

So check TimAndEric.com for tour dates. And I interviewed Heidecker a while back. That would be the Tim of the Tim and Eric. We had a nice chat. He acted like a normal person. I wasn't anticipating that. And then the two of them wanted to come in, and that was the way I could talk to Eric. So this is a little Eric heavy.

But I'm always, I'm happily surprised. It seems like I got access to some relatively grounded people. See, the thing about Tim and Eric, as much as I love them and I appreciate their genius, anytime I see them or run into them, I immediately feel like they're fucking with me somehow. That was not the case here. So, you know, that interview is coming up. Thank you for coming out to the Trippany House. I've had great crowds.

All the shows are about sold out. You can check. There might be standing room. Got some work done. It gets to a point where, yeah, I got work done. But then I forget it's Tuesday. And I get up on stage after who was on last night? Nate Bargetts, he was on, and he did 15.

And then I do like an hour and a half forgetting it's Tuesday and that perhaps people have things they need to do with their lives. But, you know, it's about me until I start realizing, like, holy shit, I'm bored of me. Maybe it's time to wrap this up. Before I forget, I believe there are still plenty of passes available for LAPodFest. You can go to WTFPod.com and get a link to that. Friday and Saturday, Friday night, I'll be appearing on Girl on Guy with Aisha Tyler. And then on Saturday, I'm doing a big live WTF with Pam Avalon, Whitney Cummings, Amber Preston, Desi Jadakin, and Shelby Farrow.

And my 15-year-old niece is going to be with me. So do not think she's my girlfriend. Don't act that way. All right, moving on. As some of you know, I talked about on Monday that monkey, my cat monkey, was going at his dick. And I didn't have time to take him to the vet. But I rationalized it somehow that he'd be okay. But this is what my brain does.

Because I had a cat. Boomer, as you know, Boomer lives, had crystals once. And that was a horrible thing. And I didn't know it until I barely saved his life. They get these crystals from shitty cat food or whatever that build up in their bladder and clog their pee hole. I'm sorry. Are you driving to work? Are you eating something?

There's nothing more disconcerting than a clogged pee hole, as many of you know. Even the thought of it. Even those of you who don't think of it. Not a pleasant thing. But I barely saved Boomer, so I knew this was a possibility with Monkey. But I do want to say this. I really appreciate the outpouring of support and prayers

for my cat's dick. I'm blessed. But I was worried that he was going to be dead. So here's what happens. So I'm on the airplane. I'm coming back from Texas. And then I just decide that my cat Monkey's dead. So here's what happens. So I'm on the airplane. I'm coming back from Texas. And then I just decide that my cat monkey's dead. I've left him. I've abandoned him with this urinary tract problem. He probably is clogged and he's dead when I get home. That's what I'm

thinking. That's what I lock into. That's what I spend about an hour and a half on the plane from Austin. So make it three hours, just just like thinking i'm gonna drive in and find my beloved cat monkey dead because of my negligence that's what i decided to do with my afternoon hey brain what's going on nothing your cat's dead we don't know that doesn't matter let's make him dead for now so of course i enter my house, panicked, freaked out. Monkey's like, what's up? I'm like, you're not dead. He's like, no, I'm a little uncomfortable. And I said, it's weird that you're talking.

But I had to cajole him into the case, which is difficult. I got one shot at that. I had to set up the cage to put him in the cage. And I get him over to the vet. I get him over to Gateway Animal Hospital. I wait around. I'm sort of freaked out vet. I get him over to Gateway Animal Hospital. I wait around. I'm sort of freaked out.

I see my doc, Dr. Jimerson. Dr. Jimerson is like, how are you? And I'm like, well, the cat's, I don't know what's going on with it. I think he's got a bladder problem. So Jimerson's like, yeah, he's probably got a bladder infection. I'm going to give him a 10-day antibiotic. I'm like, great, but let's get some ointment for the eye. And I'm like, I don't know if we should get it. There's no way I'm getting it in the eye.

And he's like, I think you can do it. It's pretty easy. And I'm like, fine. So I go out in the waiting room for a while. And then he's like, well, I want you to come back, and I'll show you how to do the ointment. Don't ever go into the back of your vet. If you get offered, you know, like, come on back. Don't go.

I didn't need to see it. I assume a real operating room is like that, too. It's disconcerting to see things open with things being held down and blood here and there. It was, look, I'm not giving any bad press to my vet. I'm sure it was as clean as a vet is. So he's like, let me show you how to put this ointment on. It's easy. Now, I want to preface this story by he's about to show me how to put ointment into my cat's eye and there are two grown-ass men holding my cat down two men

holding it down and jermison pulls the head back puts the ointment in both eyes he goes that's all you got to do and i'm like oh is that all i got to do are these two guys coming home with me because i don't have a place for them to sleep so needless to say i have the ointment has not made it into monkey's eye yet but he seems to feel better the it seems like the dick issue is uh is better and and that's a that's a good thing because i want to keep monkey around what's up ryan singer's just sitting here you're just sitting here I'm looking at you. I'm sitting here sweating. No, but I'm looking for some laughs for something, nothing.

Oh, I didn't know I was supposed to be laughing out loud. You weren't even pretending to hold in laughter. I was trying not to distract you. Detract me? Distract or distract. Distract? Distract. Distract is the word you're looking for?

So where you been? You been on the road? Yeah, I was on the road for about two and a half months. Two and a half months in your car. Yeah, straight. That must smell bad in the car after're looking for. So where you been? You been on the road? Yeah, I was on the road for about two and a half months. Two and a half months in your car. Yeah, straight. That must smell bad in the car after a certain point. Oh, yeah, that 99 Camry's got some smell on it. Yeah, smell.

It's got, what, how many miles on it? 284 almost. You're a warrior. Yeah. You're out there doing the real work. Yeah. What happened out there? Oh, everything happened.

Everything I didn't want to happen, everything I didn't want to happen. You know, a lot of new material came about, some interesting life situations that- sounds vague sounds well a crazy dude showed up at my hotel one night what i was hanging out with a a young woman uh and then some crazy dude shows up at the hotel he gets arrested starts kicking the glass he got stuck in the uh the glass revolving door at the hotel you know those downstairs yeah because he was so mad that he went into the uh the revolving door when they said that the police were coming to arrest him

yeah uh because apparently he was just wandering around the parking lot screaming obscenities by himself before he came inside not a good sign not a good sign so especially not a good sign when that guy has you in his sights so uh he gets into the revolving door and he starts kicking starts kicking the glass and then so the door stops it's one of those automatic ones that you can't touch or it'll stop so he's just like you know like imagine a hamster and its little spinning wheel getting stuck in his spinning wheel because he's kicking and punching the spinning i mean it was scary but i mean in hindsight it was pretty funny pretty hilarious it was pretty hilarious he was it was a it was a great example of impotent rage.

Yeah, a lot more funny once he was in handcuffs as well. But what were you doing? Was he out of his mind? He was out of his mind, apparently. Why was he after you? He was the ex-boyfriend of a particular woman. Ex-boyfriend who happened to be around. Who happened to be, well...

Ex-boyfriend who may not have seen it that way. Yeah, yeah, apparently so so i don't know the irony is that uh i was hanging out with his ex-girlfriend as she was just talking true story nothing nothing funny was happening she was just talking about him uh-huh and uh we happened to be at my hotel when that was happening and then he shows up doesn't sound like it was over for at least one party involved. Oh, yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean, those are the things you try to avoid on the road because you just don't want to be put in situations like that. Sure, yeah. Every once in a while, you're, you know, monkey's not the only one with a dick problem. Yeah, yeah, well, I understand, Ryan.

All right, so, well, thanks for stopping by. I'm going to talk like you're not here now. Okay, I'll thanks for stopping by. I'm going to talk like you're not here now. Okay. I'll try not to laugh. No, I don't. What else did I talk about last night that I should talk about right now? Oh, the three to six months. That's some solid stuff.

You've already talked about it. Not really. Well, that's a new thing. Well, the new thing from the book I'm reading is that here's the deal. There's a chance that if you were an infant and you came out and your mother just didn't like you, you're probably better off than if she liked you at all for any amount of time. Because here's the thing. If you're an infant and your mother has you and she's like, oh, my God, I love this baby so much.

And she just loves and loves and loves you for like three or four months. And then all of a sudden she sours on you. Like, oh, what a pain in the ass this is. And literally becomes resentful of you, which is completely completely possible and i think what happened in my case perhaps but that's the thing if your mother shuts down emotionally after she gave you some of that love like at three or four months for whatever her problem is or whatever it is but if she does if she shuts down and can't give you the organic love because of her own problems but you already had it for three and a half months. You know what that means?

You will spend the rest of your life trying to get it, but you can't just ask for that. You can't be a 50 year old man and go, mommy, can we, can we go back to when I was four months and start there again? No, that's not how that manifests itself.

It's like, how much cereal can I eat? How is a box too much? Blows good. I like blow. I masturbated for three hours today that's what i did i think i'll drink a pint of vodka yummy that's how i feel warm why not get a prostitute that would make me feel warm in all of those situations in that decision-making process, right when you have any of those sorted thoughts, try this.

Mommy. Mama. Mama. Mama. Mama. Nothing. All right, let's talk to, I'm going to talk to Tim and Eric.

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Punch your ticket to Kids Night on Saturday, March 9th at 5pm in Rock City at torontorock.com Here we go. Cell phone's on. That's great. Leave your cell phones on. I don't know what the fuck to do with you guys. You're not prepared. I'm not prepared, but

because I talked to you, Tim, and I've never met the big one. Well, now it's prepared, but... Because I talked to you, Tim, and I've never met the big one. Well, now it's time, baby. Okay. Let's talk big boy stuff. I was... One time, I was standing outside the Tropical Cafe in Silver Lake. I remember. You do not remember.

You were attending a meeting. I was attending a meeting. See? You think I forget. I remember everything. But I didn't talk to you you just were there and i waited around i'm like i wonder if that guy knows me and you said nothing since you already covered me why don't you make this the eric wareheim interview and i'll be here for color commentary and and you know annotations and corrections.

Okay. Yeah. I can do that. Do you remember? I do remember you there and I said, you know, he looks like a dirty man. Right. He's there for help. I'm here for coffee.

Right. We were there for two different reasons. But you did notice me. Yeah. And I said, eventually this guy is going to get big enough that I'll be able to say, I'll talk to. This is exactly the feeling I got from you. Yeah. So I was right on the money. We also had other moments.

We were in line to get tickets and stuff. That was a nicer moment, I recall. Yeah. Your podcast was getting bigger. Oh, so you were more comfortable with me. Yes. You're like, this is not, he's not a desperate man outside of. No, but every time you'd see us, you'd like hammer us about doing the show.

So if we saw you we were sort of like oh boy oh really but then you came on because you had and i denied that no no you came on i came on you had big dreams of being a solo act and you were out you were out there he cheated on me yeah yeah and i was happy to facilitate yeah yeah i didn't want that attention i didn't want to but i had to promote that damn movie I was in. I had to do the right thing by them. So that wasn't a big dream of yours to like now I've arrived? That was my dream come true to do WTF.

I'm going to be without Eric? Yes. And I'm going to be a star, a leading man of indie films? Eric got me to a certain level, and now it's time to fly. We had this thing that you asked us so many times to be on this that like we are never gonna do this no i felt that i felt tension it felt weird no but it wasn't it wasn't i was uncomfortable we didn't it's not because we didn't like you people would tweet at us all the time when you're gonna do the show and we would write back like who's this guy like

who he has a joke as a goof well i this guy didn't take it as a joke it was always this one here but it was always like that thing we don't want to reveal the the cards of our of our technique and stuff but we don't really care so much anymore really you're you're beyond that it's not you're you're like just professionals now you can turn it on when you need to you can start spitting food and wearing weird clothes when you need to i mean look at her outfits two men in shorts some sneakers i did watch the uh the one thing they had up for the new uh for the new things uh tim and eric's bedtime stories i watched one of them which one the one where you're an asshole and you're a doofus yeah yeah i also remember another reason is you used to talk

shit on us here we go friends did i yeah you were you not talk shit you would just say listen i don't understand these guys can you tell me why they're funny yeah because i think i don't know why i think no no wait this is a deeper thing but i remember that there's a problem with him and i yeah you go ahead be diplomatic you were you you seem to be a fan but there seems to be things about it that you don't connect with and it was challenging to you that was interesting i was the guy i think that said you guys are the comedy equivalent of ween which is a compliment that's a big compliment now yeah um i did get it frank zappa you also said which isn't so much of a compliment very big compliment not to me but well why because he was

never connected with him we're not zapaheads but people think that we are well no you don't have to be zapaheads but he built his own universe on his own terms right and uh he had a very specific his own sense of humor and a lot of it was uh meant to provoke right and uh i think that maybe there was a time when probably around the same time you guys were not doing the show because of your attitude that that i may have been saying like no get, get it. I'm not on board. But I did like, there was a couple of things where I really got it and I really liked it

and I definitely, I think I spoke to him about all the different sort of video qualities you were drawing from and all the weird kind of amateur slash public TV feel and I was really taken with the one where you were dancing around dressed as a hamburger

and you just kept shoving food in your mouth. Yeah. To me, I thought that was America, and I understood it. I understood everything that was great about you guys. And then I watched other ones. I do get it. I'm a fan.

Do you understand? Yeah. I'm a fan. Whatever I said to your friends was out of bitterness and the fact that you were slighting me. And I thought that you thought you were better than I was. Jealousy. And for me, just not acknowledging you at that cafe.

That's right. It all went back to that cafe. That's right. That's how this town works, Eric. And now look where you are. We're coming to you. It's right. You drove over.

What, Tim? Put Tim in a tiny woman's chair. People have a lot of hostile feelings towards us, I think, because they feel like we're gaming the system somehow. Do you feel that's true? I guess so. My dad said that to me the other day. He said, you're just gaming the system.

What's anybody doing out here? I don't know. We're all trying to do something, right? But this thing seems to be, um the thing i watched was very well produced it seemed to have a theme it seemed that you were satirizing something specific yeah and that uh there was a well not unlike the movie it was uh you know it felt like it was together it didn't feel like there was as much crazy wild that might have only happened once feeling yeah right how much yeah there's a story yeah there's a story this time right well why why why are you

doing it like this well we we made 50 episodes of this our sketch show right where there were 20 second bits and right then we made a couple short films for uh funny or die they had the hbo series and there's a nice budget so it looked, and that's kind of where we wanted to be. How many of these did you do of the bedtime stories? We have eight in total, seven new ones. We released a pilot last October, the one with Galifianakis, the haunted house one. I didn't see that one.

That's pretty good. Yeah. But that's more about Tim, Eric, and Zach being super silly. Some of the ones that maybe you saw are a little bit darker, a little bit more cinematic. Well, that was the one where you were buried. I'm sorry, did I fuck it up? Spoiler.

Buried, like metaphorically speaking. Metaphorically, buried. Buried in work. Yeah, buried in work. I'm a busy accountant. But I guess the thing that gets me about you guys and I always want to know is, and I think I tried to get it out of you,

but I don't know. It's sort of like asking a musician the same questions or an actor, how they act is that, you know, you've evolved these styles that draw from so many, you know, kind of things that we all sort of dismiss as just being peculiar or amateur. And you've made this,

uh, this entire point of view out of it. I mean, how intellectually are you aware of, of what you're doing or do you just sort of go like,'s just try this i mean you know for this you're talking generally yeah i'm talking generally generally i think it's it's based on that tim and i really synced up with in college that we thought was ridiculous like what was the first thing that you can remember that brought you guys together that made you do that the first exact thing was we were in a film 101 class too when i went to film school

we wanted to be directors and we had to take these bullshit theory classes with 500 people we sat next to each other we started writing band names to each other right tim wrote a band name tgif yeah for some reason that cracked me up so hard And we were laughing so hard that we get yelled at by the professor. And they said, can we see you after class? And we're like, oh, my God, we're in college. We're being yelled at. So I don't know. Just even that moment was something that, like, synced us up.

That we're, like, just the feeling of being embarrassed. Like, that's funny to us. Well, can you. Let's track that, though. Like, if we can. I'm just going to be a little professional. Because TGIF, it's simple, it's stupid, it's lame on purpose. There's a restaurant.

Right. But it was essentially that lameness that was hilarious. Yes. The lameness. Stupidity. Intentional lameness. Yeah, stupidity. Hilarious.

Yes. The lameness. Stupidity. Intentional lameness. Yeah, stupidity. That you have to be on the same page with the idea that I'm not really suggesting that as a name. Right, of course. Yeah.

And he got that immediately. Right. And then history is made. There you go. Irony. Irony. I mean, it's all, that's the stupid word. That is kind of irony. It is all, you have to all be on the same page that we're all fucked and everything is,

you have to all be on the same page that the world we're all fucked and everything is most things are garbage most products that right whether it's movies or TV shows or books right mostly garbage and mostly patronizing to us and you know yeah well interesting is when we met we were actually coming from two different kinds of dudes you know when you go to college yeah like sort of you're still trying to find yourself. But we like, we're very different guys, but we kind of rose above that comedically. Like how are you,

like what do you mean? Like I was like a punk rock dude, big baggy pants. Like I just was straight edge for a while. Tim was a little more in the hippie scene. I had a goatee, I think, longer hair. Really? Hacky sack? How far, how deep were you? Not very athletic, Tim was a little more in the hippie scene Had a goatee I think Longer hair Really?

Yeah Hacky sack? How far How deep were you? Not very athletic So I couldn't get into that scene Just a bond? You wanted a hacky

Yeah just like A lot of pot A lot of pot? I never liked it very much But it seemed to be the thing Did you listen to Fish or No I I tried it

And I didn't I was not into Fish What was your thing though? Like what Who were you like jamming to? Spin Doctors mostly Really? Spin Doctors? That was not into fish. What was your thing though? Who were you jamming to? Spin Doctors mostly. Really? Spin Doctors?

That was not ironic. Well, sure. You did listen to a Spin Doctors. I probably had that CD in high school. I mean, I really didn't embrace anything, any sort of subculture too strongly. So you're a loner. A little loner. Comedy.

I had theater, film. I was kind of a theater guy. Oh, really? Yeah. Did you sing? Yeah. sort of subculture too strongly so you're a loner a little loner comedy um i have theater film i was kind of a theater guy oh really yeah did you sing yeah yeah yeah you did some musicals oh yeah what did you do in high school and do shit really no i was the president of the av club really so yeah that's where i got a lot of that early video toaster the onion av club no no no this is a real fact in high school av club like i literally learned on the video toasters two bad vhs decks like right a lot of that shit i made some great stuff in high school so that was your training is yeah so whatever what you were sort of making fun of or using as tone was really what you came from exactly and and then that you know transferred

into college tim and i our film school had one computer which we didn't have access to yeah and the other other shit was this old archaic video equipment that every time you try to make an edit it would jump and you know there's one point that tim and i started making something and i was like this is really shitty i need to tighten this up but tim's like no just keep it like that because he didn't want to fuck it up with the equipment? Like, literally, I was in my other job during college, and right after, I was a bat mitzvah videographer. I would videotape.

Just bat mitzvahs? Bar mitzvahs as well as weddings. Because that would have been weird. Not to do bar mitzvahs, just bat mitzvahs. I would videotape any rich. I worked at a photo store in this rich community where these people would come in. Where was this?

This is Ardmore, Pennsylvania. Really? Yeah where these people would come in. Where was this? This is Ardmore, Pennsylvania. Really? Yeah, and people would come in and be like, my kid's doing a ballet recital. Would you come film it? I'm like, sure. So I'd film it, and then I would tape over these. We didn't have any money, so I'd tape over these tapes with Tim and I fucking around, and sometimes these little kids would pop in, and we would just keep that.

And there's one thing we'd make called the cat film festival where you see that clip of that poor little girl still in there dancing archived for forever yeah

so you took the original after you dubbed it and you just used the tapes yeah we did not have enough money to buy another super 8 tape at

that point super 8 video yeah we would also go to Sears and buy video cameras and at that point they would have a 60 day return policy right so we would Super 8 video. Super 8 video. The little teeny video. Yeah. We would also go to Sears and buy video cameras. And at that point, they would have a 60-day return policy. Right.

So we would buy it, shoot all weekend for two months. And on that 59th day, we would return that camera. And I remember the Sears AV guy looking at the counter. Like, you've shot hundreds of hours of footage on this. And I said, look at your receipt. And we returned it. That was a bad deal here. It was beautiful.

That's how we started making all of our early stuff. That was when you were in college? Yeah. First year? I mean, this was after college, believe it or not. Yeah, when we tried to have, like, real jobs. But, okay, so you come out of high school. You were in high school doing the shooting?

High school doing, like, the very early video kind of stuff. What was your stuff? What were you impressed with in terms of, like, obviously, when you shoot that stuff, shooting high school doing like the very early video kind of stuff what was your stuff what were you uh impressed with in terms of like obviously when you shoot that stuff it's hard to avoid it being something cheesy you know so you're shooting on high eight or super eight video and you're shooting some kids bar mitzvah and the mother they want coverage they just want to get the kid they want to document the tables yeah did you get this table you got the tables i also i remember this one moment that and my girlfriend was my assistant, and this was

a real low point. We're shooting a very, it was a very wealthy bar mitzvah. Creates a great dynamic in the relationship. Yeah. She hated me for making her do this. Go to bar mitzvahs with you? Yeah. Did you do the synagogue stuff too?

Yeah, I did everything. So you could shoot? Imagine me. In the synagogue? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Zooms. At the one party, I was getting my table coverage yeah

and they started throwing like hershey kisses at my girlfriend's head and me the kids these kids yeah bad boy kids yeah and i remember turning around looking at these kids like i'm gonna fucking kill you but i can't you know i can't right uh so that was a pretty dark you had a i remember you had a a special dress shirt yes i did you had like one shirt i would like a dress up shirt you know it was like a tuxedo top with this big gold button you know that i got a jc penny for like 12 real silky blousey see like jc penny to me plays into your whole uh what can i can i use the word uvra yes can we use that what do you think is it over i think it's uvra isn't it we've used that term in body part many times for our costume designers like just go to jc penny really yeah oh yeah also like we

would give them pictures of my dad you know my dad has the best wardrobe like big baggy shorts birkenstocks right big black socks big bloomy silk shirt with with flames big indian jones hat like really my dad is awesome yeah it's perfect probably some pictures of him like leisure suits yeah at some time yeah we've actually run into this interesting problem on this new show because a lot of the time we want people just dressed like normal people you know so we'll say can you just get it get a normal look for this person and the hipsters now have appropriated every angle of the how people dress so if you say i just want like a polo shirt and pants half the time it's like you look like what did you get that american apparel you look like it well just go like a like terry cloth yeah or like go go blue, like white trash type.

Well, they've gotten that too. If you put in a tank top and cut off jeans, that looks like you're in Echo Park. Right. So they've ruined it. They've ruined everything. They've taken every form of irony and like bad culture and have just appropriated it. So there's no- There's nowhere to go.

There's no way to- Except actually going to JCPenney's and getting the Hagar slacks. The new stuff. The new stuff, yeah. Right. Bugle Boy jeans. Bugle Boy jeans. Bugle Boy jeans.

Even Wranglers, I think, are not. Wranglers are not great. Did you see the movie Her? Did you go see that Spike Jonze movie? Of course. He did something amazing with the fashion in that. Because he actually took the worst of what we would would the last thing to sort of to go to to make cool right right he kind of went with that all the way through like weird waist high pants

and leisure and terry cloth shirts yeah he that was genius i don't know who was uh in charge of that the wardrobe design on that but that really resonated with me it's like they just that's hilarious they took the worst of it and they amped it up a little bit yeah so your dad was the inspiration but you grew up in i imagine wait pennsylvania you too yeah eastern pennsylvania like i can't even i don't even have a point of reference on that but it's pretty townie i imagine it's not new jersey i mean i grew up in albuquerque but you know but that type there's that weird kind of like practical american attire. And then there's like townie cool from the 70s. Yeah. I mean, this was more practical.

Like my dad had a couple cool vintage things, but not really. Like my mom would make sure he was updated with Sears, JCPenney. Sears catalog. They just didn't see any reason not to. Yeah. And when my dad comes to see us now, Tim and I do these live shows. And his outfits are unbelievable. He wears these

what are those leather jackets Wilson's oh yeah he gets a really baggy Wilson's leather jacket it's too long and he's wearing these big Indiana Jones leather hats and I always like introduce them like my mom and dad are here and they stand up and they love it and my mom has

real full cat sweaters with cat brooches and he's got his leathers like his and they're not playing it up big print oh no no with sandals always sandals even in the winter but this is his thing they're not saying like we've got to honor our son's point of view no no no they do not get it they don't get it they see they see he sees his own fashion in his show it's like oh i'm kind of cool come on you know do they get any of it they do get some of it they do get some of it like what i think you know a lot they get a lot of the physical gags right they don't i think tim's parents the same way they don't love the

gross out stuff the sexual stuff they found i mean they grew up in the 70s or they were you know young adults in the 70s so they my, my parents loved things like Andy Kaufman. Oh, yeah? You know, the weird, weird stuff that would be on late at night, early Saturday Night Live. Like, they loved that stuff. So this is connected, you know, I said Monty Python, but, you know, Make Me Laugh. Remember that show, Make Me Laugh? Yeah, sure.

The original. The original, right, with, what is it, Bobby Vance, I think, hosted it or somebody like that. Yeah. Bruce Babyman Bomb. The unknown comic. The unknown comic. The unknown comic. Yeah, all those guys. They love that stuff.

Well, yeah, I think the reason I was probably bitchy about it is because there's very few people that I know who, and Zach sort of plays into it, but there's just this other, there's another time zone you guys live in. And the way you guys draw from stuff and you make a world out of it is pretty genius, and that bothers me. I'm willing, because I never know how on purpose that is, but it's just sort of innate to you. I think, can I say what I think your problem with it is? Is that your heart is, you don't see our heart in our work. It's not coming from us, let's say there's like a detachment no but there is a detachment but i think that's part of it and some people and i i'm that was my biggest fear about having you guys on and i wasn't always like i wanted you guys on but i was never clear what the hell i was going to do with you because i didn't know how i wouldn't

become the brunt of the joke somehow that like you guys could come in here and run any kind of number on me you wanted to and today i was sort of like i hope they do right i know because we could already talk to you so maybe they'll do something like I had ideas I was going to pitch you ideas I had ideas

I was going to pitch you the thing is we smell that we were talking about this because we're about we're doing a lot of press for this show and we can go into a room

and smell like an animal would smell a prey if some guy comes in he does not know who we are and and is just asking these stock questions right we're gonna we're gonna have fun because

it's gonna be boring otherwise for us so we just play around with them we play around like a like a you know like a lion would play around i mean i don't i don't blame you for feeling that way the last press tour we did yeah for the movie uh one of our like mega fans the sweet girl compiled like two and a half hours of video footage of us doing what you're talking about which is us fucking with the interviewers do you usually just clam up and create a still timing or do you usually like it's very like it's very loose like it's like tim will start something or i'll start something or someone will be having an acid trip or like it's really fully improvised depending on the vibe it's hard to recreate it right now we don't talk about it ahead of time too often so i love the attitude if he starts

acting like he's high yeah you'll just play on i'll just be like yeah i'll just or i'll help him or i'll be like it hasn't kicked in for me yet but i can't wait to join your buddy you know what are the way you guys Do they love it? Or they don't know if you're fucking with them or not? Yeah. Some people, we fucked with people so hard that after they're like, that was an honor that you fucked with us that bad.

You know? Yeah. And we had something recently. We did one of these young Hollywood shows to promote the pilot of this last year. I think I left the store open. It's okay. I'm wondering what that is. Probably a plane. Okay. So, they're coming for us. I think I left the door open. It's okay, he took it open,

but I'm wondering what that is. Probably a plane. Okay. So you did one of these. We did, and instantly we knew this. Paris Hilton was the guest right before us, and Tim and I were just in the worst moods. We could not believe we were here.

Who was the guest before you? Paris Hilton. Okay. So we decided to use this opportunity to just do Baba Buies, just to do a thing for Howard as a present to him. So every answer was like, yeah, our new show is called Fluff Fluff Lunky. And it's about a beaver named Baba Booey. And they didn't know these references.

So like, oh, that's cute. Like, what are you going to do? Are you going to do a Christmas special? Yes, this is gonna be called Fluff Fluff Lunky. And then we took that footage and sent it to jimmy kimmel yeah loved it and sent it to howard and howard fucking played it and talked about it so like talked about it for a while it was like the greatest honor were you a big howard fan huge like when you were a kid massive yes both of you yeah 14 ysp in philly well yeah because you got it you grew up with it

yeah it was there for you it was the first thing for me that my parents didn't approve of like hardcore they were just like that's not that's over the line not cool like we kind of synced up on a lot of different things music and movies and stuff but that was that was a nice like oh i can actually be punk and yeah and like like something that my parents don't like you were in high school when you were taking that in yeah and he was sort of one of the first people outside of, you know, John Waters did it differently, but Howard would take people who were obviously troubled in one way. I guess fringe is a nice word to put it, but actually people who were not, he was not victimizing them because they embraced it, but they were, fringe, is that the word you would use?

It's a nice word. Yeah. You mean talking about his whack pack yeah yeah like homeless hollywood squares when he did the tv show and that kind of stuff where he would take these people that obviously embrace the idea but there was this weird line of sort of like does that person really know sure yeah and that's that line is very tricky and and as i'm sure he would listen to his work and cringe all the time i I'm sure, now. I don't know. Who, Howard, you think? Yeah, I mean, he's already, I think, when you listen to him now,

you feel like that's a different guy. Well, yeah, they get a heart later, especially when they have heart problems. I don't know if he has, but as guys like Letterman and people get older, I don't know if they're living in contrition for what they've done, but they do seem a little more sensitive to it. Yeah. Softer. But do you think that's some of where your compulsion to use those people came from? From like Howard's stuff?

I think it was more from moving to Hollywood and not wanting to use any Hollywood actors or comedians. Right. It was more about Tim and I went back in Philly. We were obsessed with these cable access shows and tapes and seeing people that were not supposed to be on camera. And that was a true awkwardness to see them sing and dance and do whatever. But they were confident. Yeah. Right.

Somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. Somewhere. That was always an interesting thing to me about it, because when I was out here years ago, there used to be this guy, I don't even know his name, but anytime I'd turn on local LA Public Assets

when they had it before cable, there was this guy, this blonde-haired dude that talked spiritual stuff, and he was sort of effeminate, and he would look directly at the camera, or Dr. Gene Scott, I couldn't stop watching. And the thing is that they're actually doing something pure and raw and real. And they're weird attempts. And a lot of them are relatively talentless.

But it doesn't matter because they're earnest. And that was, I just read into it, but that was appealing to you. Absolutely. And a lot of the people we used on our show, they are, in their world, stand-up comedians. They're singers. They're puppeteers. They're improvised dancers're puppeteers. They're, you know, improvised dancers.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they are these things. They're just not famous for that. They're not as talented in a regular way. Well, and they're not mainstream, and they don't have access. Usually, I mean, Hollywood is really about access. Right. And if people are fragile or peculiar or not talented in the way

that's necessary to fit into the machine, they kind of just sputter along beside it. And this town is full of that. Yeah. And we've created this outlet for them. And our fans love these people. And they've created their own little fan bases aside from us and their own community.

There haven't been any tragic stories of people. Exploitation. No, no, not exploitation. But sometimes when people who have been on the margins for so long get attention, it becomes sort of its own tragic story. Yeah, someone made a pilot. They took all the characters from our awesome show. This is incredible.

Our sketch show. All these eccentric guys. Right. And he cast this young kid, cast them all to make a pilot of them together. Right. And I haven't seen it, but I imagine it's the biggest disaster ever. Well, yeah, it's like I've never cooked before, but I have these ingredients that I don't know exactly what to do with. It might be great.

It should work. I'll just put everything in this pot. Well, how do you decide when you guys are working on this stuff? I mean, because there is a sort of the edge of chaos is reached, and sometimes I think that's part of you guys, the gift and the genius of it is that you know what to keep and what not to keep. I mean, you're not shooting live.

So I imagine there's a lot of moments where you're like, that can't go in. There's a difference between shooting like David Lieberhardt singing a song and like John C. Reilly doing Dr. Steve Brule. You know what I mean? Dr. Steve Brule, five minutes, you're going to get gold.

David Lieberhardt, two hours, you'll get 30 seconds. So there's a lot of that. It's a lot of like... Different ratios. Yeah, unconventional ways of getting energy out of people it's really it's actually really fun like what does that mean unconventional you know just like get getting people into the mood sometimes you know there

was a time in an awesome show where tim and i what our director's booths would be in this black duvetyne box so no one could see us except for us on microphones be like welcome to the set and these people just be looking around like how are you you know so you'd fuck with them yeah just that was later in the season yeah no no not in a bad way but i mean they have to be relatively open to the art of what you're doing yes definitely they probably feel like you know these guys are really artists yeah i'm a part of it and yeah yeah yeah yeah and that's fine but when you guys were like films like you wanted to be directors so when you were shooting bar mitzvah videos and before you guys met what were what was

what was uh driving you i mean what movies were driving you what made you believe that you could do what you wanted to do or what you became i I mean, definitely early on I saw a bunch of Stanley Kubrick movies. Really? Yeah, I had one friend, Don Malcom. His mom showed us, I'm blanking the fucking name. The Killing? The really crazy one. Clockwork Orange.

Clockwork Orange, yeah. I was going to say, what's love got to do with it? She showed us a Clockwork Orange when we were like 13 or 14. She also showed us Caligula. Oh my God, with the blowjob? Yes. Really? And the fisting.

I mean, that was... What? You know that one? Yeah. She's one of those teachers that screws the kids in school or something. She truly was like... And she showed us 2001 at a very early age. I didn't even understand that one.

No one understands that one. But I think that shit perverted me at a very early age. I didn't even understand that one. No one understands that one. But I think that shit perverted me at a very early age. And also, you would watch Twin Peaks. And my English class, we would talk about Twin Peaks for 20 minutes before we would start class in high school. Oh, really? Like David Lynch stuff. And what about John Waters? Nothing?

Yeah. I think it was a little too cute for me, but I did like Hairspray and Cry Baby. But not the early stuff? We didn't get the early stuff. I think we were a little too young for the early stuff. But you never sought it out? No.

I mean, no. And also, I think, what was that guy? The guy who was in The Killing, which is an early black and white Kubrick movie, that Timothy Carey guy. Do you guys know of him? No no he's sort of an odd dude there's been like like you see i think that when you guys came in you wrangled what you did here in hollywood there's been this weird undercurrent of of of leading to you guys you know like kenneth anger and tabloid stuff and weirdo shit crispin glover i mean there's there's been stuff that yeah like somehow or another you

guys saw it in a way that was kind and funny as as opposed to sort of like where's this creepy shit but there's always been that undercurrent here in hollywood there's so many people that have just crushed daily yeah yeah by this edward world yeah kind of like be movie stuff yeah i mean that doesn't in that certain that's sort of in the same realm or am am I being crazy? No, I feel like that's in the same realm. I feel like it's definitely Tim and I growing up on the East Coast and trying to keep that vibe when we moved here. Well, yeah, it's that sense of authenticity that you want in the work. But public access was really it, right?

I mean, that informed you guys a lot. Yes, I mean, public access, we didn't really have a lot of public access necessarily, cable access, that kind of thing. I mean, we just had't, we didn't really have a lot of public access necessarily, cable access, that kind of thing. I mean, we just had local small market television, which I think is similar, but sometimes cable access literally is the blue, is the between two ferns thing. It's like nothing. It's a talk show with a microphone. So there is like, there's like a little production value.

Um, but yeah, we were also part of the commercials and stuff network of friends that would send videotapes to each other so we would just sit and watch like crazy things the morbid stuff morbid stuff like james brown like not the faces of death necessarily no but like what's his name the guy shooting himself that was a pennsylvania guy wasn't he yeah but was it bud dwyer yeah no we wouldn't watch that kind of stuff funny stuff like jay like you said that was hilarious james brown i'm sorry james brown was all fucked up on that new show and how about orson welles on doing the takes oh my god yeah even you know tv carnage no no tv carnage is a guy from canada uh that made these derek beckles that made this compilation of all canadian public assets and as well as like this uh that commercial, the champagne thing.

We would just watch that over and over and just love every second of it. Chuck Berry pissing on the girl. Yeah, it's all my thoughts. Yeah, that's like unbelievable. It's all pre-internet YouTube kind of sharing stuff. Did you ever see Chuck? I don't know if you ever saw Chuck. I mean, no, in the video, you don't really see Chuck Berry.

You see this profile, I think. You do? Yeah. Oh, yeah. saw chuck i mean no in the video you don't really see chuck berry it was sort of when you see it you see this profile i think you do yeah oh yeah you see you know it's no question about who it is that's um that's uh that's funky man that's uh that's the that's rock and roll right there oh did you good for you so that really that that turns us on still does but let me ask you another question about uh like i feel like that guy because it's, you know, I'm coming at it from, like I'm asking. The thing that I like about all of it is just food. There's just always, at some point during most things, and maybe I haven't seen enough. Yeah.

But there's somebody with way too much food and it's going in. In the whole episode that happens. It's going in. Snacks. Yeah. But no, but early on, on like that was the one thing that like for some reason haunted me there's something haunting about some of that shit yeah that weird black and white video of you dancing around that fucking hamburger outfit and then there's some

point where you're just fucking eating shit and it's falling out of your mouth yeah do you ever see the commercial food tube it's a commercial where instead of the painful act of actually cutting food you get this tube that shoots it into your mouth for real yeah no no this is sketch okay we are obsessed with food and how to get it in your body fast and how to get feces out of your body in different ways you know do you know why it's just like classic you know gross obsession with like diarrhea you know it's just like yeah it's third graders it's the same thing having diarrhea is like an awkward experience just like you know watching this guy on a cable access it was an awkward experience so we just like that in a way and that's just that's funny

to us i think farting's still awkward for most people diarrhea is very awkward especially when the greatest word in the english language you have the worst word yeah we use it twice we're we're rehearsing our new live show and we use it twice in the first five minutes so there's a whole new live show new live show yeah we're doing it uh dr steve brule co-headlining tour so he's going to tour with you yeah yeah now the brule thing that i mean i can see where that's sort of sourced in you know like i like the guys who painted and like the that type of show yeah like the bob ross yeah yeah yeah or uh what's his name with the california show the guy that just died um the other painter no the uh guy who goes around hey what's this man you got uh you know yeah yeah yeah yeah

yeah but like people like zach and people like john c reilly and odin kirk and i i think cross can do it too there are certain dudes who who are obviously incredibly talented not the guys that are doing exactly all the only thing they can do right which you use but there's a certain type of performer that that can lock in and you in they're rare correct absolutely there's only a handful and especially in our world where you're working with true lunatics yeah it like it's a challenge to them like john was like i have to be like these people you use so he loved it yeah he loved it he loved he you know when we first started working with, he just loved being in our studio because it was very, he called it comedy anarchy. Because he's making a couple big movies.

Right, there were no adults around. There was nobody saying, what are you doing? We can hang out here all day and shoot and shoot and do whatever you want. And finally, I think he's finally accepted this character as one of his greatest comedy characters. And he's like, let's take it to the next level. He's done some live stuff with us before, but this is his first time. And how's it work? Does it go well?

It's amazing. I mean, he can get up there with no ideas and just fully improvise like an hour. He's such a talent. Yeah. He's amazing. He's one of the greats. Amazing. One of the greats.

So how does it work when you guys tour i mean who else goes out with you it's just you two and john us we went with doug loosenhop who you should have on the show dj doug pound yeah uh he's been with us from the beginning as an editor and writer and you know he's responsible not he's you know somewhat responsible for sort of the edit style of the show right he's a sampler going working it's a very interactive kind of thing with visuals and sounds and tim and i fucking around yeah yeah yeah so you go out and you have sketches yeah some some sketches are characters from our show you might recognize others are brand new things how much room do

you like when you both when you produce a tv show obviously you're shooting now i know hours of footage yeah but how much on the stage show do you leave room for improvising it all gets edited at the end of the night and the audience gets implanted with a different memory of the event do you do do you improvise or you don't yeah we do we do our our shows are like you know there's a nice tight outline of what we got to get to props and gags right stuff like that but we love going off off the rails and you're having fun your audience must wait for that we rewrite the show during the first like week of being you know we kind of you know get inspired by what gets laughs and what kind of doesn't what are you playing we're playing like kind of big theaters like thousand seat theater yeah yeah just like a big

professional right annoying you know nice where you might have seen like you know uh the beach boys last week how would you characterize your fans in general? Because they must be sort of unique in their nerdiness. And I imagine a lot of intelligent ones. Yeah, amazing fans. And a lot of it is like the greatest reaction we get is people saying, this is what my friends and I laugh about. Nothing else. It's only what you guys think is funny.

We get that. It is a club if you get the Tim and Eric world, I think. Right. No, I think so too. People, they respond to that and they're like kind of fans for life it's a lot like it's a lot like ween or zapper or something like or these people that build these worlds like you're you know you have a world yeah and the people that get it get it and the people that don't are like they feel alienated yeah alienated it's like they don't even i don't have time for this yeah i don't have time for this. You don't know what's happening.

That's exactly true. Yeah. But these kids are like, it's awesome because we just did a tour. We also have a band called Pusswit Bang Gang. Yeah.

That was part of the awesome show and we put out a record recently. We toured the South and these kids still know every lyric of every song we've done. What do you play? Guitar. And what do you play?

Guitar. And who's the rest of the band? The rest of the band, Davin Wood, who's a composer that we've worked with for all of Awesome Show and our movie.

And then this bassist, Mark Livingood, who's a real like North Hollywood actor kind of guy that we found on Back Pages. Yeah? Is he a good bass player?

He's okay. He's pretty good. He's got bad tone. Yeah. He has like seven bass pedals. You would not believe how many bass pedals he brought. So many compression and EQs

and stuff. He's a gear nerd that doesn't work. Yeah. He's a gear nerd. The original drummer had to have oxygen while he played. We wanted to bring him on tour and he's like, listen dudes, I have to have this oxygen thing. We're like, we love that. Use as much as you can during the set that looks so funny was he have emphysema i don't can't remember we had but i think for insurance reasons we're like we can't bring you

dude i'm sorry oh you know old guy he's no he's pretty young he was he was the worst drummer we've ever played yeah you know he could not figure if you tried to explain the concept of like just a four just give us like a four four rock beat with some fills in it it was just like wait no just talk about bad tone too yeah his drum tone oh my god his drum tone was he had like 40 cymbals and yeah and he had a kid assistant he had a guy that came with him that helped him set up. A drum roadie? He couldn't keep a 4-4 rock beat. It was insane. I would never have been more stressed about it. Have you ever heard

Dark Side of the Moon? That sort of just 4-4 or whatever. No, can't do that. But this band Can you feel the groove? Can you feel when we change here? Can you feel that sort of to the 4? Can you feel when we change here? Can you feel that to the fore? No.

This band was based off of The Doors after Jim Morrison died. Tim sent me this videotape of this German studio thing. It was The Doors trying to be The Doors without Jim Morrison. As a trio, right. And it was the most uncharismatic, shitty performance we've ever seen. And we're like, we should make a band that's just like that. You know, it's like bad blues rock. Right. shitty performs we've ever seen. And we're like, we should make a band that's just like that. You know, it's like just bad blues rock.

Right. So these guys sort of worked for it in a way. Right. Just like not the greatest. I just saw that movie, Frank, the John Ronson script about the guy who wears the big. Yeah. I didn't see it. It's great. I saw online.

You loved it. It was great because like in the same way,, something happens at the end of that movie. And it's sort of, like, it's based on a true story from John Ronson about there was a performance art, you know, performance art-ish rock band fronted by a guy that wore this paper mache head. Jack in the Box head or something. Well, it's just like a paper mache head.

But that was his thing. But the weird thing, he wouldn't take it off. So he had deeper issues. And, you know, in this film, like, he wears it all the way through and it's sort of like cryptic like why wouldn't he take it off and they're like he just doesn't he sleeps in it and it's like it but it's it's you buy it you know because it it feels authentic and what was interesting not to not to give away that movie too in in relation to the doris thing is what so many bands especially especially rock bands, are completely carried

by the personality and the momentum of the singer. Yeah, absolutely. So it's all about that. Yeah, yeah. You don't really think about that. Those other guys could have been anybody. No, of course they could have.

Sorry, John Densmore. I can't even listen to the doors. No. I don't, I mean, I'm probably going to get some flack for that. I mean, I can appreciate them, but I never- It's juvenile music. Well, it's not even juvenile. going to get some flack for that. I mean, I can appreciate them, but I never. It's juvenile music.

Well, it's not even juvenile. I just had a problem with no bass. Right. Like, I had a problem with keyboard. Oh, all that annoying. Yeah, that's really. And I like that guy. He's great.

Your man's Eric. Is he dead too now? He's gone. Everyone's gone? But, you know, that goes back to what we love. It's like these guys, there's this desperation. They're to get it together right and like trying to figure it out and it just didn't work and we thought it was so funny i also like that idea of whenever we get into the show business everybody that gets in a show business doesn't have more than a two-year

plan at the most you know so i want to be on tv yeah so exactly yeah so you get to the point where you're in the doors and you're lead you're the guy that's the driving force who's dead it's like now i have to be i have to be in a band for the rest of my life i don't know like i don't know anything else so you're gonna live off the legacy of that guy yeah forever forever yeah it's fucking mind-blowing and then you got to suck it up and tour with it yeah and you know you get enough people that love the doors they're like well they're our guys it becomes like a teen thing like you know about the records rayman's eric wrote a book called oh god it's something the poet in exile he wrote a book called the poet in exile which was a novel about a lead singer who had faked his own death and is living on an island who

contacts hit the main character of the book whose name is is Roy. Yeah. And he's, I swear to God. Yeah. And it's a whole, like, fantasy fiction about what Raymond and Eric wished really happened in life. Oh, God. It's insane. What do you guys think about, have you read any, like, imagine a lot of these kids that are your fans, if they're not, you know,

like, way high. I imagine there have been sort of serious papers written on Tim and Eric. Yeah, a wonderful girl out of Michigan michigan named kathy fisher i think yeah give her a plug she um wrote a really great piece like how to explain tim and eric to your parents uh-huh i think if you can look that up on her yeah searching her but she gets it but do you guys get it but do you ever read things where you're like i never thought about that but i guess we are in the pulse of it absolutely yeah because we're not very articulate about it you know what i mean you don't we thank god for those because it helps us in these kind of interviews okay let's read up on this before we uh because i think that's the thing i always

struggle with and the more i talk to people the more i learn that it is is not intentional that it's sort of like kubrick's a good example it's like there have you seen that documentary about the shining oh yeah where it's sort of like maybe that maybe he did think like yeah but but the the more important thing was is like that he was such a genius that he didn't even know that he didn't even know what he was loading that thing up with yeah to me that's sort of fascinating yeah we don't intellectualize our work right you can't beforehand or after how the fuck could you no we just do what we want to do and and it there is a continuity to it but but we're not sitting around hmm i think we should do this to do that but do you guys think in terms of like even when you talk about like even with with the food thing there there are certain things that you guys know that you use right like

repetition yes and and complete completely pushing an awkward thing to the point where it it cannot even tolerate itself anymore. You feel that. You have to feel it. You can't write it, first of all. Right. You can't write space, space, space, space, dot, dot, dot, you know, timing it out on the script page. Copy.

Paste, copy, paste. Well, are you guys going to do another movie? We want to eventually, but this series is a lot of little movies which is a lot you know it's really well produced well what do you think happened with the movie how do you feel about it i think i talked to you about it a little bit yeah i mean it was it was for us i think it was like a lot of eggs in a basket situation well let me let me give you my two cents honestly yeah because i watched a movie yeah and it seemed that the context was too large does that make sense that you know shooting a big movie you know with that with that type even just the equipment and the space that that entailed

it seemed like you guys like what you do you you didn't have as much control over it yeah i mean that's definitely true it was was a massive, massive undertaking. Right, for no money, for very little budget. And just the ambition of the idea was so big. But we're happy with it, and I think a lot of people like it. A lot of people hate it, but that has to do with what they think about us in general, not necessarily the movie. But what about your fans? I mean, are there two camps and i think there are certainly yeah there's some people that probably expected something that

they didn't get right um it was you know the what i think when you make a movie this movie wasn't in our hearts from the beginning of time necessarily it was sort of like hey do you want to go you want to make a movie there's this opportunity what do you want the movie about you want to make a movie? There's this opportunity. What do you want the movie about? Okay, well let's sit down and figure out what that is. So it was like, how can we kind of combine our style and make it into a movie? And I think there is something to be said about 90 minutes, maybe is too long to be in that kind of world or however long it is. But that's why in this new show, we're able to kind of make,

like Eric said, we're able to make movies, but you're not invested in this new show we're able to kind of make like eric said we're able to make movies but you're not invested in this three-act structure that's going to take you an evening away from your kids to experience well also the one i saw the hole is that what it's called hole hole um is that you were you were sort of mimicking a style of shooting as well so like and i think that like so much of the older stuff is about you know a different kind of raw kind of fucking chaotic style right that when you guys sort of slow things down and everything's sort of meticulous yeah it's all very you know structured and yeah it was not a day of yeah it was not a day of sort of like no no

let's try it again get that green screen out yeah so that must be completely different way of working it is it is we made i mean we made a couple of these before us and so we kind of figured it out yeah and how we wanted to present it but i also think the themes are different in the sense that i think we're getting a little older. And some of these, like this, the hole I feel like is a nightmare that I really had once about. Where your life might go? Yeah. Just like, I literally had a nightmare, the worst nightmare of my life when everyone turned on me.

My girlfriend was fucked, all my friends, and was doing heroin. I killed Tim. My sister turned on me and my parents turned on me it was like the craziest thing that's wild man yeah i think as you get older i just you know things get heavier man it's like well yeah because yeah the real darkness starts coming the real darkness creeps in and i feel like that yeah a little of that in this show what have i done with my life yeah yeah but also the suburban element of that like that guy is such a like a little of that in this show. What have I done with my life? Yeah. But also the suburban element of that. That guy is such a kind of... There's a naivete to somebody that followed that track.

That sort of like, I've got it all. What the fuck is it really? And then he's the other version of I've got it all. And it's a fucking nightmare. There's two conflicting nightmares here. Horrible people. It's a double nightmare. We don't want to be slaves to our own... I think with this nightmare well we don't want to be slaves

to our own i think with this show we don't want to be slaves to our own perception the perception that people have the old stuff yeah i mean you want to evolve sure i mean that seems like a natural thing to want to do you know well what how are your lives you're right lives are good great place great place you still married? Yeah. You? Girlfriend. Yeah. For a while? Yeah. New love.

New love. New love. I live right down the street from you. You do? In Highland Park? Mount Washington. Oh, you do? Up on the hill?

Not the exact address, but somewhere there. I don't need it. I can find it, man. I can find your address, dude. Are you up on the hill? Yeah. I looked over there. It scares me that there's only one road in. Yeah.

I didn't think about that like there was always this weird sort of like so the only way to get to this house is there like there's no yeah like i just need a zip line to get out the right i'm not gonna so you could probably see my house no i have some escape routes eric looks down upon your house every night i know i got a buddy who lives up there i like like it up there. Did you get a... The houses are a little weird up there. What kind of... I bought...

It's beautiful, like mid-century A-frame house. Oh, yeah. An A-frame. Yeah. There's a lot of cabiny looking houses up there. Yeah. Does it look like a cabin? It's sort of...

I mean, no. It looks... It has a lot of glass walls. Uh-huh. So it's not cabiny. How many bedrooms? It's got two bedrooms. Oh, that's nice.

Yeah. Yeah. Where are you living, Swick? Glendale. You're living in Glendale? Yeah, I live at the Americana, the brand, right above the J.Crew. Oh, you're keeping it real.

Yeah. You're just doing it for research reasons, right? Yeah. I connect to my Armenian audience. There's some nice parts of Glendale. I do live in Glendale. I live up in the hill of Chevy Chase Estates. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is not an estate at all. It's just a dumb name. And everyone says, were you on Bill Murray Road or something? But come on. Do you have the kids yet or no? I got a baby girl. You do? You have a baby girl.

You don't know this? I don't know. Did you tweet it? Oh, look at her. I try to keep it private, but it's in the open now. It is? Yeah. You're trying to hide the girl?

Yeah. She's got one year left with us, so I feel now we can talk about it. Before you sell her? Yeah, before she moves on. It moves on. For adoption? Before she moves on. So how old is that?

She's going to be a year and a week. Oh, my God. So you've been sweep deprived? No, it's been great. Yeah? I've such a charmed life. I'm blessed oh

no I've no my wife is wonderful it's fucked it's fucked because it's pretty great what he has such an insane

work ethic yeah and I'm a little bit lazier are you and he I have a pretty solid work

when it comes to there's different facets of that yeah when I wake up a little later right anyways

and I was hoping that Tim would slow down with this kid he would come back to my level and be drowsy but no it's like his he's like even more well it's a great motivator yeah for to to work yeah yeah you know you're like oh my god this i've not i have a responsibility everybody says beyond dogs everybody says that that like you can feel it yeah because i don't know what this is going to be in two years when she's like well now i have to i need more clothes, Dad. What about the acting?

It comes and goes. It's certainly not anything you'd want to, you know, rely on. Do you have any interest in that? In acting? Yeah. Yeah, I acted. In a few things. You had a little bit part in the movie he was in.

Yeah. You were kind of around. And then I saw you in, what else? I do, Quentin Depew who's this French director I was in a movie called Wrong Cops Eric Olney works

with French directors yes and it's a new movie Realite which is these are French movies yeah Wrong Cops is American

this is Marilyn Manson and Steve Little is that out yet? that's out yeah you can watch it on Netflix oh okay it's actually really good there's so many movies

on Netflix where the entire landscape has changed where you're like I didn't was that ever anywhere? yeah did that movie it had a small it was like our movie had a small theatrical run and you were elite yeah it was one of the leads yeah how'd it go awesome it was really fun i don't i like doing it i like working with directors where

you're like you do do your thing yeah right but if i work with directors like i was on episode with a couple episodes of office and it's fucking hard, man. They know what they want from you. And it's so opposite of the way that Tim and I work, which is like, you just kind of find the character. No time, buddy. Here's your character. Here's your lines. You have to say every word of this.

And you're okay with it? You can do it? Yeah. I don't love it. I don't have aspirations to do a lot of acting, but I do want to work with, like, cool. I had an audition with Larry David because I wanted to be in his movie. That was, like, one of the greatest Hollywood experiences I had. And that was all improvising.

That was really fucking cool. Which movie? Clear History. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and that was, like, you just walk into a room. Larry David's sitting there. He asks all the

producers like who is this guy do i know him and i'm like oh fuck but the the director and the producers kind of explained who i was and how bob and kirk kind of brought us in here and i was like get the whole preamble fucking sweating my ass off but i sat down improvised made him laugh a couple times and i'm like i'm out that was amazing did you get it no no bill hater got it oh but uh that's probably that's politics right there we're two bill haters all right so you got a lot going on a lot of shit you got how many episodes of this uh of this there's eight in total seven new ones if you want to okay the pilot from last year. And how many cities are you doing on the tour? 30-something. Really?

Yeah. It's like five weeks out. So many. 40 days on the road. Not all of them are shows. Right. We're doing double shows, Mark. We're doing that crisscross from Seattle to New York kind of deal, just across the states.

Wow. We do a bit where I literally lift Tim and carry him off the set. Yeah. And I don't know if I'm going to be able to make it through the tour. I have to start working out. Do you guys do colleges as well? No. Ever from the beginning you said you got to do

college. We never figured out that. I never did. I think it's a myth. It doesn't really exist. Well if it does they're usually like student activities money and you got to be clean. They're bad. Yeah, they're bad experiences. We've done it a couple times. It's like you're in an auditorium.

Or a lunchroom. Yeah, yeah. People are getting punched in the back and don't know who you are. No. And then a lot of the kids that go just because they don't have a car. Yeah. Too young to drink. They're the freshmen that don't know what to do.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And they're like, there to drink they're the freshmen that don't know what to do yeah exactly exactly and they're like you know they're gonna be girls there yeah our show requires like lots of props and costumes it's not you gotta have a stage manager you gotta have yeah someone's got to set it all out it's like a traveling musical show so we can only do it in these chunks you know we can't one us are hard for us actually do You travel with a stage manager? Yeah. We got a whole crew, man. Oh, really? Tour bus. Wow. The whole thing. It's a rock and roll tour.

When did you evolve out of punk rock straight edge living? When did you decide? That was college. At college, I started drinking beers, smoking weed. And then it was over. Yeah. And then I was like, oh, I understand why everyone listened to Pink Floyd in high school. Oh, my God.

Did you have regret? Miles Davis. Did no no no i am so glad i was nice and clear through my high school because i think i could have gone down oh right right just become a wasteoid right sure right so yeah early college i was like motivated in the punk rock scene we were doing a lot of shit we're doing now like making shit ourselves making fanzines t-shirts and those seem to be coming back i get them in the punk rock scene we were doing a lot of shit we're doing now like making shit ourselves making fanzines t-shirts those seem to be coming back I get them in the mail fanzines yeah

like the ones that are hand done yeah like a guy sends me one every month and I'm like really and I'll look at it yeah well with technology now

you should it would be easier to do it very professionally than the hand but then I think I probably have one in that stack of shit somewhere. It would be hard

to actually even do that. Yeah. The kinkos, you gotta get that whole, that puncher thing that makes the letters. So outside of the Larry David audition, what has been your experience

in Hollywood over the last decade would have been the highlights? Tim and I being on The Simpsons and singing, we had songs that drew us. I was gonna say some shit, like you were on The Simpsons, right? No, I wasn't.

Oh, okay. That's what I thought. I'm just kidding. That's funny. I'm just kidding. Come on. They'll write you in. What?

They'll write you in. I'm okay. It's easy to write. No, I'm all right. I'll write it for you. Bart becomes a comedy guy and he's on WTF. Sure. It's easy.

Pitch it. Let's do it. Guys, come on. They all listen. Let me ask you a question. Matt Selman, get Mark Maron on goddamn Simpsons. Everybody else has done it. I did a hell of a job as a squirrel on Adventure Time.

There you go. Does that mean anything to anybody? Adventure Time. That's right. I play a raccoon, a kind of curmudgeonly raccoon on a new animated thing. It's not out yet. I bet you. What?

We'll see. I'm very good at it. I wouldn't be surprised if this goes somewhere. I bet you, I'm going to, we'll see. I'm very good at, I wouldn't be surprised if this goes somewhere. I'm very good at being me. You know, if you're looking for a Marc Maron,

I think it's natural. I can do it. You're a cultural icon of some kind. Yeah. I'm a taste maker. Yeah. So,

all right. Well, I think we covered a lot of stuff. Yeah, it was fun. It's been really good. And when you guys are

have you ever done this extensive of a tour yeah we did it a few years ago it kicks your butt a little bit I just did three oddball dates

and one like flying to the next place that day or the next day and that was sort of like holy fuck yeah yeah this is real shit

yeah it's intense you kind of lose sense of where you're at and what you're doing absolutely food's great though on the road you're at and what you're doing. Absolutely. Food's great, though. On the road, you're in Cincinnati.

Oh, yeah. You get some of that spaghetti with chili on it in Cincinnati. Cracker Barrel. I imagine you guys never stop shoving it into your mouth. That's what we do. Yeah, we're always constantly playing with food. All right. Well, I think we did good. Anything else you guys need to say?

If you're listening, you're not. I mean, you wouldn't be listening if you're probably not a fan. I don't know. But I think try going into the show with some fresh eyes, some fresh ears, because it's a- The live show. No, the bedtime stories. I liked it. I think it's a little, it's a different experience if you're like sort of on the fence about our stuff. Yeah, it's definitely a different experience and definitely like it'll lock into uh that part of the brain that's been established by other things uh in a

clear way for people that don't know you guys that's right yeah like if like if someone's dragging their friend in sort of like come on you'll get this one yeah yeah it's not gonna be that you passed on the first stuff but come on no no they're different now they're older i heard them on marin show and they say they're more mature and they're thinking about things there was no puking in the one i saw almost none i gotta watch one with zach do you guys friends with zach yeah most of the time love them who are some of the other guys that you you like working with john c riley like working with zach odin kirk has he been in forte oh odin kirk there should be two uh links there there he's in an episode called toes okay i think you're going to really enjoy.

That's Bob's show. That's his episode. He's the star. Forte's a sweet guy. Forte's great. Almost too sweet. He can do what you want. He can do, but he's one of those guys that gets what happens.

Oh, yeah. He gets it. He can go. He's cried every, he thanks us. It's like therapy for him because he cries every time he's on set with us. He gets into a dark place guys man you really got me through this awesome thing it's awesome he learns things about himself i think you did that here it's beautiful all right thanks fellas all right thanks for having us

see look at that they were like people weren't they they're good guys very i you know and i have a huge amount of respect for their work and that's our show go to wtf pod for all your wtf pod needs get some just coffee dot co-op poke around on the site you know you can comment through facebook you can do i'm it's hot man it's hot there's no seasons here there are no seasons here and i don't know if i'm aging except occasionally when I see myself in just the right light, and I'm like, holy shit, what happened to that guy? Oh, it's me. 51 on Saturday.

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