WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 557 - Ian Edwards

Episode Date: December 7, 2014

The last time comedian Ian Edwards was WTF, Marc embarrassed himself in spectacular fashion. Now Ian is in the garage for a less cringeworthy conversation about his early life in Jamaica and a stand-up career that started in a Burger King drive thru. Plus, Chris Rock calls Marc to talk Top Five, a movie with and about comics. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Lock the gates! Get almost almost anything. Order now. Product availability may vary by region. See app for details. Lock the gates! Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers, what the fuck buddies, what the fuckineers, what the fucksters? Oh my god! What the fuckaneers what the fucksters oh my god what the fuck addicts hi i'm mark maron welcome to the show hi nice nice to be here thank you for coming if all goes well when you hear this it will be day six of no nicotine and i don't know if i know some of you've been through this before with me years ago but this is not i mean i can't look at it as some sort of you know cycle i can't look at it like this happens man when you're hooked on shit and you

get back into it you gotta get off the shit again that's just the way it goes but boy i had forgotten what it's like to be this raw man i forgot what it's like to hang all your hopes and emotions and sense of well-being and thoughts of the future and the past and the present on some goddamn substance or two. To sort of regulate and temper that shit and keep it corralled into an area where it's manageable. As opposed to a goddamn fucking break in the fence and everything's running around the past the possible future the present i'm not afraid of anything but everything do you understand that i fear nothing but all of it today on the show ian edwards is here ian edwards is here he's great i love this guy i love talking to him he's a great comic his uh his comedy album 100 half-assed is

is out on team coco records we'll talk to uh we'll talk to ian in a minute. Do want to again mention that I will be at Largo here in Los Angeles on January 8th. Is that right? Yes. That's going to be a good show. I've never really played their solo. So yeah, that's happening. Saw an amazing guitar player with, I went and saw Chrissy Hind, who was great over at the Pantages. Is that what it's called? She had an opening act like a folk duo called The Rails, a man and a woman. And then the dude came back and played guitar with Chrissy Hines. And he just fucking, he's an animal on that fucking guitar. And I believe Richard Thompson was sitting just a couple rows in front of me on the other side of the aisle. And I spent a lot of time staring at the side of Richard Thompson's head in between songs,

just wondering what it feels like to be Richard Thompson's head. What a fucking amazing guitar player that guy is, songwriter. What else happened? She would stop in the middle of songs to yell at people on their phones. It was pretty beautiful. I mean, as you know from my conversation,

she is not the most relaxed, you know, zen person in the world, but she was, you know, zen person in the world. But she was, you know, just right in the middle of songs. Like, put the phone away. Put the fucking phone away. It was pretty good. It was pretty punk rock. It was good.

I respected it. I cleaned my washing machine because I got angry at it. So I went online. I learned how to clean a washing machine. Why not get a new washing machine, Mark? Why not get one? I bought how to clean a washing machine. Why not get a new washing machine, Mark? Why not get one? I bought these fucking things used in 2002. Why don't I just buy?

What is fucking wrong with me? Because I'm so afraid I'm going to choose the wrong thing of a thing and I'm going to be stuck with it. And then I'm going to be the guy that got fucked by the thing because he didn't know what thing to get. That's the fucking story of my life. I'm going to buy a thing. Why didn't you get that thing? I didn't know that was a thing to get. That's the fucking story of my life. I'm going to buy a thing. Why didn't you get that thing? I didn't know that was a thing to get. And then I feel like an asshole, like a sucker, like a dupe.

So I don't buy nothing. I'm watching my house fall apart. Fucking 14-year-old, 15-year-old washer and dryer that I just cleaned. It's disgusting. I just got to pull the trigger, man. Just gotta buy some shit, but I cleaned it, I put bleach in it, then I put vinegar in it, followed someone's

instructions. I don't know if they're a professional. What do we just fucking, just look online. How do I clean a washing machine? Oh, I guess this lady knows what she's doing. Get some hydrochloric acid. That sounds reasonable. Where do I get that? The fucking goddamn content heap

it's what we do folks this is my contribution to the great content heap i'm glad you guys listen i'm glad you guys as you were looking for treasure at the great global cultural landfill that is the internet the big media dump you've picked me up and said this this looks like a good find thank you thank you for that guess things are getting a little more serious with the woman i'm dating, went and had the full STD panel. That's a sure sign of commitment, a bit of commitment. I will do that for you. I will go get the full STD panel.

Even with the long shot stuff. It's always scary, man. It's always that thing. No matter, you know, a year between them, a year and a half between them you're like oh man that one might not have been the best idea everything's fine everything's fine you know who called me chris rock called me his movie top five opens in theaters this friday december 12th i enjoyed the movie There's some funny shit in it. And Chris said, do you want to talk about the movie?

I said, yeah, let's talk about the movie, Chris. You're Chris Rock. So let's talk to Chris Rock about his movie. Chris Rock. Oh, Mark. So, man, I watched a movie last night. With people or not? No, I sat there with myself in front of my computer with my sad dinner at my dining room table,

and I watched the whole movie. What do you mean, fuck? I enjoyed the movie, man. I'm glad you enjoyed it. It's just such a different experience with people, but... Well, you know, for me, it was like I was with everybody I knew. I could not believe the number of comedians. was like find the comic i know like it was like some sort of game it was like i couldn't even believe how many comics you fit into one movie

i know even rachel feinstein's got a line rich boss rich boss walking into the cellar you going on rich boss you walk by dan Natterman in the hallway. Exactly. It's crazy. Exactly. Well, look, the bottom line is, man, I think this is the best movie you've made. I really do. Thank you.

And I felt that it was personal. I felt there was a lot of stuff. And from your experience, it was interesting. I had no idea, man, what I was about to see. And as a guy who's a sober guy, when all of a sudden you're a sober guy, I'm like, all right, let's see how he handles this. And I think, you know, let's see if he did this justice. But I thought it was great, man.

I really thought it was, because you are not that guy. I am not that guy. You know what's weird, though? What? My success has come playing that guy. I'm like New Jack City, I'm really good in. I don't know if you saw the motherfucker that I had on Broadway. It's kind of the same role.

So whenever I kind of have a drug problem, it's something. So New Jack City was your bottom, your fictional bottom? Yeah, it's so weird. Drugs have been good to me no i thought it was great i really thought that the the relationship was great and and i just thought like i was astounded with cedric i mean what a what a role that was man i mean amazing he really is amazing yeah i don't see it the thing about comedians i think sandler Stiller said this to me a long time ago it's like

you can't do comedy with strangers you gotta like work with your friends cause you know what's funnier about them exactly man and I kinda I knew Cedric had that in him you know when I was casting it

and all that stuff a lot of people oh he's so cuddly and he's this and I'm like no Cedric is fucking buck wild yeah man yeah he is, man, and as a comic, you know, that guy is, you know, you know that guy, you know, like if you do comedy, and you know, you get off a plane, you're like, oh,

I know one of those guys, it doesn't matter. There's about three in every city. Oh yeah, man, and I just thought it was astounding. And I just thought the way you framed it, you know, with Rosaria Dawson, you know, how that relationship started to unfold. And I didn't see that twist coming. And I ain't going to spoil anything for anybody. But, I mean, you and I have had conversations. You know, whether you're planning on getting married or you are married, you know, those things that even though this was slightly amplified, the relationship that you had with your wife, that feeling of like, am I doing the right thing is a real thing, man. It is a real thing.

And the guys aren't allowed to question it. Only women are. Right. Publicly or else, you know, everyone, when you're a guy, everyone's like, just, you know, it happens to everybody. Just do it. Just go through with it. Guys are supposed to be happy with whatever women they can get. Only women are allowed to question, is he Mr. Right?

Right. You got one. Shut up. Shut up. A woman likes you. You fucking bum. Yeah. You feel great that any woman would touch you.

Oh, you're disgusting but uh so you wrote it all and you shot it all how long did how long did it take you to shoot uh about uh i think with 35 days you know a little small budget uh but i kind of knew what i wanted you know i'm working in a world i knew, working with people I knew, you know. Yeah. I didn't hesitate to call up, you know, nothing with this movie. I kind of treated it like a stand-up set in a sense. Uh-huh.

So, you know, I had a cut. I was like, hey, Louie, watch this cut. Did he do it for you? Yeah. Give me some notes. Hey, Apatow, what do you think? Like, I treated it like I was working on a set. Oh, that's great, man.

And what kind of feedback did those guys give you? What did Louie say? They gave me great feedback. Especially Louie. Louie's about getting rid of the dumb shit. Like, okay, don't fall in love with these jokes. You got to fucking get this story out. You got to establish the drama between you guys.

Right. I mean, Louie was great. Right. I got to say. And then Judd was about putting some of the dumb shit back in? Yes, exactly. That's funny. Did you show it to anybody else?

Did you show it to Sandler or Stiller or anybody? Sandler, Sandler, Stiller. Still? Sandler. Sandler. Stiller. Stiller. Stiller was like my Scott Rudin whisperer. Like, every time I have a problem with Scott, I call him Stiller. How do you deal with this guy? Yeah, yeah. He was good with that.

Yeah. And he had great notes, too. Stiller's... Stiller really knows how to make a pop movie. Right. You know what I mean? Right. Like, he got that shit.

He's like Coldplay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. You know? Like, he got that shit he's like cold play yeah yeah yeah you know like he's that motherfucker i don't know how to make hits like burt baccarat right right so he was like maybe you should let that emotional moment sit for a couple more seconds yeah yeah ben stiller really really knows his shit man but i was surprised tells you to cut something cut it oh really he's the guy yeah well i was surprised like uh it tells you to cut something, cut it. Oh, really? He's the guy? Yeah. Well, I was surprised. It was great seeing Leslie Jones. I mean, she's- Oh, isn't she great?

She really is just on fire on screen, man. I mean, she's got such a vitality. It's so raw, dude. It's amazing. Every director I showed the movie to, the first person they go, they go, who's that woman? Who's the black woman in the project? Judd immediately put her in his movie.

Did he? The one in New York? So she's in the... The Schumer movie? The Amy Schumer movie. Oh, that's great. Yeah, no, she's great. Yeah, Judd watched it in the cutting room

and literally like, okay, I'm going to get a part for this woman. I'm so glad that things are going so well for her her she's a good person great great person she's as as she's one of the few that's as good a person as she is funny she's just yeah she's a good person and she paid some serious cat williams dues anybody deserves success yeah for putting up with that she got some stories for your ass that's it no no doubt and i and i'm not gonna i don't want it's it's funny because well i don't want to mention who people are because for me watching the movie you know you have that moment where these there are these

story points and and and i'm sitting there like who the fuck is that and i'm like and then it's like oh my god that's ben varine where do you i haven't seen that guy in a while. You know? So it was really a good time to see you moving through that world. What made you decide, though, like, and also the clips from the slave movie are just, even though they're like three seconds long, it's just fucking hilarious, man. Ah, thanks, man. You know? And that night you had with Cedric in that hotel room, that was good. I didn't see the spin on that. I didn't see what was going to happen with that that was pretty great

because that's what happens in that though that kind of happened to me a version of it anyway but you know you you went out of your way to show the mess which i you know for a second i was like oh yeah you had to show that okay dude when you're in a theater and that scene comes, you, I'm just telling you. Yeah. Is that one of those laughs where people laugh with their feet? Yeah, where people can't hold, they can't control themselves? They literally can't control themselves. It's like, oh, shit.

Are you seeing, have you watched it with like an all-black audience? All black, all white. You know, when you deal with studios, man, they test it like, like, an all-black audience? All-black, all-white. You know, when you deal with studios, man, they test it like, okay, Asian women over 30. Right. They go figure it out. But, I mean, you know, not to be hackneyed, but, I mean, what was the reaction from an all-black audience? I mean, all-black audience, you literally can't hear it. You can't.

Yeah. You kind of can't hear half the movie the white audience loves it too but you you can't hear it in an all-black audience it's too much it was good to see arty uh you know i you know you had arty and tracy in there before the accident yeah are they both doing all right um you know that you know, I talked to Artie about a month ago. I talked to Tracy a couple. We actually showed Tracy the movie. Yeah. That, you know, it's got the nurse comes and does physical therapy every day.

Right, long haul. You know, you're not going to be bumping into them at the store anytime soon. But, you know, they'll eventually recover. But that was a really bad accident. I know, man. It's just like one thing after another. I'm glad they're both alive. You know what's fucked up?

I'll say this on your end. The only guy that got cut, and it was only because the scene didn't quite work, was Stan Hope. I'm fucking mad. Oh, really? I wanted Stanhope in there so bad. What did Stanhope play? Stanhope played a kid. It was like this cutaway

where I talk about being bused to school and kids calling me nigger every day and then we cut to Stanhope who's a cop. Yeah, we called him nigger. We called him every day. Matter of fact, that was his name. I don't even know who you're talking about. You mean nigger in third grade?

Oh, I know who you're talking about. Who else did I see in there? Brian Regan was great. I see him on screen, and I just want to laugh already. You know what I mean? I'm like, whenever I see Brian Regan, I'm like, oh, it's coming. Something's good. Yeah, when I watch him on Letterman, I'm always laughing before you even get to the joke.

Exactly. It's just the buildup because you know it's going to pay off. You know, he did a show in my neighborhood, like Englewood, New Jersey. I don't live in Englewood, but he did a show in Englewood, and I just walked in the theater and watched him from the side of the stage. When he got off stage, he's looking at me like what are you doing here what are you doing here what's funny he's I don't even I barely knew the guy well he's one of those guys that comics you know back way back when I was in New York and at the old improv before it closed up when Bill Hicks was in the city for maybe a year like Hicks would go out of his way

to go in and watch Brian Regan. He's just one of those guys that's just steady, man. He's always going to get a laugh, man. He always, yeah. He would actually, right now, he's the heir to the Rich Jenny throne of funniest guy that the world doesn't quite know about. Right, right. But enough people know.

He does all right. You know, he does fine. I'm just saying, like, he's one of those guys that no comedian in the world says, yeah, I want to follow Brian Regan. No, that's for sure. I don't want any part to that fight. Well, you know what's great also about the character

and about the movie is that I think it's close enough to your life, obviously, outside of the drug problem and the, I don't know, framing the sort of like the way you made your millions was this horrendous series of movies. sweet your your real life character is uh is is is deeper but it enabled you to sort of talk as chris rock like you know when you're on the train talking about prior talking about murphy talking about cosby there was a there was a you know you could tell that it's like well that's a conversation chris has had you know that shit yeah yeah all of that stuff we just kept it rolling honestly there's just me and Rosario having a conversation. And I tell you, honestly, Chris, I'm thrilled that you made a personal movie that really nails who you are and what it is to be in that kind of fame and also just the respect you give comics.

I'm happy to be happy for you, man. Thanks, man. You did a good job, and I wish you the best of luck with it. Thanks for talking to me. Well, thank you. I'm glad I didn't have you, you know, put you in a position where you had to not talk bad about a shitty movie. You didn't, and I'm happy too, buddy. Good luck with it, man.

Thanks a lot. Take it easy. Ian Edwards has been on the show. I've known him a long time. I've known him since he started, basically, back in New York. He's a little guy with dreads. Yeah. But I do want to play this clip for you.

It's not that I'm proud of it, but it happened. All right. This is Ian Edwards. This is from episode 69 of WTF. It was from 2010, recorded at the Bridgetown Comedy Festival in Portland, Oregon. And it's horrible. I am horrible. Listen.

Do you have family in Jamaica still? Yeah. And did you go back there? Hell no. No, no. I got family there. I haven't seen them in a minute, though. Oh, okay.

If I go back to Jamaica, I'll be going back to the tourist spots. I'm going to do the white people thing and go, you know, just enjoy the island. I just didn't want you to get off stage going, talk about Katrina, but not what happened in my country. Okay. You know, he just fucked up. That's Haiti. Oh. Wow, I really fucked up. What the hell is going on?

I think that's That white guilt again Do you have family in that black island of yours? I do I mean, they're all the same Same black island Yeah, yeah Jesus, Mark.

Jesus, Ian. I apologize. It's all right. I don't think I'm going to recover from this one. Like, I knew it was Haiti, but for some reason I decided it was Jamaica. And I thought, this is really going to save me and Ian on the race thing. Like, you know, I'm listening to Sean I'm like

I'm going to take this moment And really put out An olive branch And make this work So Ian Your Jamaica Was devastated Have you heard

You see what Phony concern gets you No Phony Don't give a fuck About Haiti You know what I'm sitting here doing

I'm sitting here thinking Like you know This is my show But it's a live one, and there's no fucking way I can cut out that mistake. Oh, that's fantastic. Yeah, like, I really thought, like, I was gonna walk out of this show thinking, like, that went great.

And now I'm gonna be thinking, like, I'm a fucking idiot. And, and... But I didn't send money to Haiti either I did a couple You sure you didn't send it to Panama Or some other island How sure are you that you sent it to Haiti The weird thing is

I sent it to you But I must not have had the right address From Mark Maron to Black Island put it in the mail oh I did my part just gonna put the money in a bottle and shoved it in the ocean

and sail into the Caribbean oh it's gonna help somebody anyways if you do have time, please send money to Jamaica. They're not going to know why. But just do it because I told you to. If you listen to WTF, please make your checks to Jamaica. Just fill it out to the black people of Jamaica and just send it there. Just send it to Jamaica, Jamaica.

Please. Yeah, yeah. Jamaica, Jamaica. Please. Yeah. Yeah. I can't, I have to own that. I have to own it. I could have cut that out, but there's, I'm in the name of transparency. All right. All right.

Let's go now to, uh, to me and Ian Edwards, uh, talking in the garage. I love. You can get anything you need with Uber Eats. Well, almost, almost anything. So no, you can't get snowballs on Uber Eats. But meatballs and mozzarella balls, yes, we can deliver that. Uber Eats, get almost, almost anything. Order now.

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Calgary's on the right path forward. Take a closer look how at calgaryeconomicdevelopment.com. This guy. You're pretty fucking busy. I'm trying to be. I'm trying to be busy. Yeah? Yeah. Weren't you writing there, though at uh what two broke girls yeah but i switched i switched over to a blackish what's that that's a new sitcom on abc what's it called black ish oh yeah yeah so they seek you out kind of we need we're to need a specialist in black-ish.

Yeah. What the hell is the angle on that one? It's an Anthony Anderson sitcom and it's a friend of mine. His name is Kenya Barris. He's an EP. Uh-huh.

So he's like, and it's basically about a guy. It's a family show, but it's a, I like the angle on it. It's like a, it's Archie Bunker S,

the main character. Uh-huh. And the way he pulls off is just done so that you could like him. And he's a black guy who grew up around my time. And the world was one way before Obama got elected. And now it's a different way. And you have to accept those changes. Plus your kids grew up completely different in this upper middle class. You raise them in the upper middle class neighborhood.

Uh-huh. And they have all white friends. Right. And they might not be black enough for you. Your kids. Your kids. Because you grew up in the hood. You've had to adjust to this new sort of post-racial idea.

Right. Whether it's a reality or not, who really knows. Right. And then your kids, they don't even ask the question yeah they don't even ask the questions right so it's like oh that's interesting yeah it's very interesting is that a real thing in the now i'm not going to put you in the position no no to like speak for the black community does in in your people's lives how does that play out that's a funny way to make it worse in your people's lives

i've made it worse with you before i don't think i can top the haiti comment that was one of the best moments ever in my life it's hilarious they're like well you're do you have uh people down? At least you were concerned. And you're like, oh, you think I'm from Haiti? Yeah. It's all those islands. But there's a lot of back thing

where Haitian people and Jamaican people think they're both better than each other. Oh, is that true? Yeah, and then nobody would want to be claimed or have the other country

put on them. Oh, so that was... So then that comes out. That was the personal backstory that I didn't even know about. It's an insult to think one is the other. It wasn't just racist on my ignorance of where it happened. It had a lot less to do with racism than that. No, fuck Haitians.

Don't hang that on me. But were you born in Jamaica? No, I was born in England. Really? england really yeah yeah yeah how'd that happen uh my parents you know they had sex there yeah and they wrote it out they wrote it how were they in england i don't understand like i don't i don't like i need to know how how uh black people get around the world. How black people? Well, it's because of white people.

Yeah, usually. It's usually. It's like colonialism in reverse. There was a period when that happened. Oh, really? Yeah. Like, we're sorry, come back? Yeah.

As a matter of fact, we had a few wars. We lost a few people. Yeah. We got some jobs because there's a lot of dead people that's not there to fill them. So we used to run your country, come over yeah and uh we'll give you a deal i will give you a deal give you some work yeah yeah right and that is it was your parents that your dad's the first generation to go to england or you got grandparents there too nah first generation yeah what was he doing over there uh he was like an electric, and he was good with electronics and stuff like that. Yeah, he used to work for the phone company, and I think do their lines and anything electrical

and stuff like that. How long did you stay in England? I stayed until I was nine years old. Oh, really? So you have memories of it? Yeah, I got memories of it. It's funny. Every time I tell somebody I've been there since I was nine, they're like, you have memories

of it. They expected me to have been there and then just bounced immediately. Right, right. We're just there for the passport. Then we get out. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's like, you know, some people are like, I left when I was three and you can't really hang it on.

Right, right. But like nine, I mean, I just can't. I don't, I've been to England a few times. I don't know how to put it, frame it in my head. Right. What are your memories of it anything uh memories of it is like you know i had family like cousins yeah did you speak with english accent had the accent did you whole nine you did soccer yeah went to school there had

friends it was the first set of friends that were ever ripped apart or ripped from me bad bad and they were all british friends they're all British friends. Little British friends. Yeah. I was a group of three best friends. I was a black one. There was an Indian one, Harry. And then Greg was the white one. Oh, really?

And we used to hang, yeah. There's a lot of Indians in Britain. Because the same thing. Colonialism in reverse. Colonialism in reverse, yeah. Hey, we owe you a little something. How about a job? Come on in.

All that stuff we did to you. Listen, just come over. Get some jobs. fill in the places of these dead white people. Oh, yeah. We're sorry. We're sorry. I hope this makes it up for whoever you might have lost in your family. Yeah. So where did you go when you were nine?

We went to Jamaica. And then you grew up there? Yeah. And I grew up there till i was like 17 years old yeah yeah i went to high school there and everything all right so why you might have to set me straight on the jamaica thing like how look out because i don't fucking know anything about it oh i mean i know like all right like uh you know i i know there's pot there's weed down there and there's a there's a few hairstyles.

A few hairstyles? You mean dreadlocks? It seems to have infused, culturally infused itself into the more hippie-ish elements of my past. Right, right, right. But I also know, here's what I know. I don't know the political element of it I know that there's a lot of poverty

but I know that people enjoy vacationing there yeah people love again it's like white people love vacationing where other people are suffering

yeah as long as they don't see it as long as they don't see it as long as they just drive by it and they go like we don't really go over there or just anybody rich

because I'd go back to Jamaica and vacation and just go to the tourist spots you would because yeah because i never i never really did it when i was a kid you don't do it when you're a kid yeah you don't i just lived on the island right and i never really ran across tourists oh you didn't nah if you went to duns river i don't know what like it's like a it's a tourist spot like it's a big waterfall oh yeah and i climbed it when i was a kid and i went back more than 10 years ago as an adult yeah they said let's climb it and i started slipping on the rocks i said how the fuck did i climb this shit when this is dangerous what are you people doing i just stayed at the bottom and let everybody climb how is this a vacation

this is dangerous like how do we do this but what was what are you because i remember when i first met you fuck i don't even know how old you were what were you like 20 22 when yeah i was young yeah and you were just like you were full-on uh dreadlocks right and and really working the angle yeah it was my first way in yeah yeah it's like i'm this guy yeah it was it was my first solid five minute set that worked right that i found but that but you but you did grow up in that in that world so what i mean in jamaica what was the why'd your dad go back oh why did he come here to no no why did he go back to jamaica after england because it was beautiful they they missed it they had a great childhood

right and they had some money that they saved. And they figured they could just go back there. Like, you never know how old your parents are. Yeah. You know, but they weren't old. I think they had a too early retirement plan. Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like they had to have been like maybe just 40, maybe. Right. When we were moving back. But to us as kids, they looked older. So, all right, this seems like a good move. Yeah. Well, maybe that like also like the type of life that they might grown up with is not they didn't think in the same way right like what are we going to work our life

whole life till we're 65 right to then move like maybe they were like we got enough saved and they knew what life was like there maybe they could see a good life right and it worked out and they moved back and they got a job like my father got a job because they had the degrees and stuff so he had a good job yeah and stuff started but then life happens and then that job doesn't exist anymore you know it's gone and stuff is gone yeah but what i mean but like there was it was difficult at times during you know there was upheaval in jamaica i mean do you remember that yeah i remember that i remember just like so you're coming from a country where in england they just have an election right right right to the point where you're a kid you don't even know there's an election you just see a new

yeah yeah a new prime minister there's some newspapers there's some newspapers there's some stuff i'm watching cartoons get that out my face right and then you go to a country where the election is serious, like deadly serious. And that's literal. Yeah. Where people are getting gunned down. Yeah. Like, who are you voting for?

JLP? Pap, pap, pap, pap. Who are you voting for? PNP? Pap, pap, pap, pap. Yeah, yeah. But if you survive these gunshots, when you come out the coma, you are now on the PNP side. Yeah.

You'll make the right decision. Yeah, you're going to make the right decision now on the PNP side. Yeah. You'll make the right decision. Yeah, you're going to make the right decision. We have faith in your ability. Yeah. Like, I remember I had this stupid joke about, and it was based on truth, where, you know, you walk in that street and you get a bunch of strangers come on you. Yeah. And then, like, they ask your friend, who are you voting for?

Yeah. And he says something, and then they shoot him. Yeah. And then they turn to you, who you voting for? And you're like, what did he say? It's like a classic joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it was kind of a true, that was life. What was it? What was the fucking, because I, you know, that's one of those things like I don't know in my mind as somebody, like I wasn't that politically astute, but it seemed like Haitian politics took, we all knew about that shit.

You know, Aristide, Papa Doc, Baby Doc, but I don't know what was going on in Jamaica. What was going on over there, you know? It was, so the PNP is more considered socialist. They were friends with Cuba. Michael Manley was friends with Cuba. So they were supposed to... This is how the economy kind of fell apart. This is what I remember.

So then they were supposed to get a loan from America to help with some things, to set the country straight. PNP. Yeah, the PMP. Yeah. And then Michael Manley, the PMP leader, being a friend with the Cuban government, kind of pissed off the American government.

Fucked up the loan. And they fucked up the loan. Not approved. You're not getting, yeah, loan not approved unless you start fucking with these Cubans. Yeah.

And then that kind of set the country back. And then other things, you know, once you get set back, if you don't do, you just keep making the same type of mistakes. Right. Then the value began to devalue. Yeah. And then things just got, you know. Bad.

Bad. Yeah, because there was a free-for-all. There was no support. Right. Well, there's always a president. There's always police. It never goes Haiti in Jamaica. You know what I'm saying?

Like, Haiti's like, just from my perspective, Haiti's haywire. Yeah, yeah. There's always structure. Yeah. But, you know, it's just money could have helped. And the tourist trade is big. Right. Like, it always has been, right?

Mm-hmm. I don't know why you're all of a sudden a representative of Jamaica now. I'm going to ask you very specific questions. Yeah, I know. could have helped. And the tourist trade is big. Like it always has been, right? I don't know why you're all of a sudden a representative of Jamaica and I'm going to ask you very specific questions. Yeah, I know. I haven't been there in a minute. I went there for a funeral three years ago. And that was the last time? Yeah, it was the last time.

But you grew up there. So what was it like going up there? I mean, there wasn't no comedy, that's for sure. No, there was like... Were you always a creative kid though? I played soccer a lot. That's all I really wanted to do. And then, you know, I watched not. There was like. Were you always a creative kid, though? I played soccer a lot. That's all I really wanted to do.

Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, I watched TV. Yeah. And there was a guy, I think he's still alive, called Oliver, who was like the national standard for comedy. Yeah. It's mostly like sketch comedy. It was really good.

In Jamaica. Yeah, in Jamaica, yeah. Was it broad kind of like. Broad humor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he was the guy. But he was the guy. Yeah.

Yeah. And you liked him? Yeah, I liked him. was the guy. But he was the guy. Yeah. And you liked him? Yeah, I liked him. He entertained everybody. It was funny as shit. But I never thought, even when I came to America, I never thought about comedy as an option. But you were just playing soccer, though. Yeah, just playing soccer.

There's no career in that necessarily. No, but that's here there's no career. But in Jamaica, there's not a career, but the opportunity to be known all over the island. Right. And then there were some Jamaican. You could also go back to England if you were good enough. Right. And maybe get on a team there because it's a huge global sport except here, especially back then. Are you doing?

So then there's always those hopes and dreams. Right. So it was like a kid's dream to be a great soccer player right but uh it's weird that it's not popular here all right this is how bad soccer is like nerds look at you like you're a nerd yeah like if you like soccer and it's not the world cup it's but it's sort of like our ignorance though as a country like that we just can't lock into it i don't know why we can't lock into it do you yeah i figured it out like some people say there's not enough scoring yeah it has nothing to

do with that because if football like if the score is 21 to to 10 in football all they did was score three touchdowns right and multiply them by seven yeah that's it that's it it's arbitrary yeah thing why is it so it's not yeah so it's arbitrary. Yeah. And then, and then it just makes like, it was a better game than it was. And I love American football. Yeah. The problem with soccer is that America didn't invent soccer. And it's as simple as that. That's it?

That's it. It's not our sport. It's not your sport. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to turn your back on the stuff that you invented to like some shit. Right.

That you didn't invent. Why would you do that? You got baseball. Sure. We got our things. You got your things. This is too much for us to handle. Yeah.

It's like cricket. We don't take the time to understand it. Right. Because baseball, if you look at baseball, baseball, they say soccer's boring. There's no scoring. But listen, they don't do shit in baseball. Nothing. Nothing. Like, some guys on the field

are chilling as much as people in the stands. Yeah. And the country loves the sport. Sure. It's America's pastime. It's America's pastime. So it ain't the scoring. Soccer seems exciting. I don't watch any sports, so I'm not isolating soccer as a bad

thing. It looks good. It looks fun. There seems to be a lot of emotion on the field always. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and you can actually see people experiencing emotion. They're not wearing helmets and pads. Right, right. So that's another thing about it. It does seem very human.

You know what I mean? People are like in it. Right. You know, and they're not covered with padding. But all right, so how old were you when you moved here? 17. Did you move by yourself? No, the family came.

Oh, my God. Family came. Why'd they leave Jamaica this time? To come out of retirement. It's a failed retirement. Got to get back to work. And how many brothers and sisters do you got? I got one brother and two sisters.

Oh, really? So there's four of you? Who's the oldest? My brother's the oldest, then my older sister, then me, then my younger sister. Oh, wow. Boy, girl, boy, girl. Perfect. You all get along?

Yeah, we all get along. And you all move up to the States? Yeah, like we, they, four of them came first, left me and my younger sister for me to like graduate like the last year of high school who do you leave them with they they left me with an aunt my mother's sister no so it's just and that was all right uh it wasn't with me yeah you know i was like hey i'm not going anywhere it's fine because i like the neighborhood that i lived in in jamaica and we had to switch neighborhoods and then my aunt had a shop. Yeah. What kind of shop?

Like a grocery shop. Yeah. And then I had to work in the shop. That was part of the deal. That was a part of it. I don't even know what's part of it. Did you just sell me to my aunt? I got to work for her in the shop.

And I love my aunt. Yeah. And obviously they didn't sell me but yeah like i'm a kid you didn't know that was negotiated yeah like okay he can live here if he works in the shop right like yeah yeah and it wasn't even like that just how it ended up being yeah and i had to go with her on saturdays to the market to get stuff to bring back to the shop and when we're coming back i'd pass my old neighborhood and like, those kids are fucking playing over there.

And I'm like, and I own a grocery shop now. I got to go to work. You saw your whole childhood go away. Yeah, yeah. You know, seeing the soccer ball being kicked around. Imagine passing your childhood every Saturday.

Oh. Yeah, that's rough. So wait, so you had to go to market? So like it was fresh food? Yeah, all fresh food. See, that's. That's rough. So wait, so you had to go to market? So like it was fresh food? Yeah, all fresh food. See, that's something that's different. Yeah.

That was the way it worked. That's just the way it was. It wasn't like, let's put on a farmer's market. Right. It was the market. That was it. Yeah. So you guys had to go buy vegetables and all that shit?

Yeah, and all that stuff. Yeah. And that's just the way, I love that. There's no trucks coming up with like, where are these tomatoes from? Right, right. You knew where they were from. They were all grown around there. Yeah, some hills, some farms, people brought them and sold them to markets.

What was mostly, tell me, I want to know some exotic foods that you enjoyed in Jamaica. That's what I'd like to talk about right now. Well, yeah, like soursop, sweet sop. These are all fruits. There's ackee. All fruits? There's ackee. So you just said there's all fruits and said one, I don't know what it is.

And ackee is like the national dish. And it's like, I don't even know how to describe ackee because it looks like eggs. Yeah. Is it one thing? You pick it off a tree. Okay. It comes in a shell. Okay.

It's not ready to be eaten when the shell is closed okay then when the shell opens yeah it kills the poison in that yeah so that's very important to get it at that point get it when it the shells opens by itself not when you force it open or you're dead it's your last piece of ackee. Dangerous fruit. Dangerous fruit. Oh, my God. What does it look like? It looks like eggs?

It looks yellow. It's yellow. You got to scrape it out? Has it got a big seed in it? There's a seed in it. There's a seed in the middle, and there's four yellow, I don't know how to describe them,

things that clamp onto the seed. Yeah, yeah. And then there's a shell over it. Right. And the shell opens. Sections or a section. Yeah. Okay.

And there's four sections that are clamped around the seed. And then you just pull the shell away. Yeah. Take out the seed. Yeah. And boom, you got an ackee. Yeah. And then what, you cut it up?

You spice it up or anything? You just spice it up. With what? In a frying pan. Oh, really? You fry it? Yeah, yeah. You could fry it or you could boil it.

So it's not sweet? Or do we boil it and fry it? No, it's not sweet at all. Oh, my God. I don't know anything about that. I don't know if you'd like it or you could boil it so it's it's not or do we boil it and fry no it's not sweet at all oh my god i don't know anything about that do you i don't know if you'd like it but i love it do you miss it or do you eat it here can you find it yeah i can find they got jamaican restaurants like they're scattered but i could find it oh really but they sell it like it they sell it like a caviar prices it's bananas really yeah like you can get it for hardly nothing for down jamaica now like because they know you want it? Yeah.

Yeah, they know. There's like 10 of you that want it? Yeah, exactly. All the other Jamaicans are like, fuck that shit. Why don't you eat like this stuff? It's cheaper. I used to pick it in my backyard. Yeah.

Like now it's like $20 a meal. Are you vegetarian? I'm vegan, vegan. Oh, and was that always? No, no. I did that once I moved to California. California got me. Oh, that's new.

All right, so you're working at the supermarket. No dreams of comedy. Just dreams of soccer. Just dreams of soccer. And lost youth. Lost youth, yes. Following your aunt around, filling baskets. Yeah.

What kind of meat do they have down there? They have the same stuff here. They have cow baskets. Yeah. What kind of meat did they have down there? They have the same stuff here. Like, they have, you know, cow meat. Yeah. And- Nothing exotic? Chicken. But they have, like, goats.

We had goats. Like, before we moved to my aunt, we had goats. You raised goats to kill them? Yeah. Yeah. You raised them to kill them, yeah. I don't mind goat meat. Yeah.

I didn't mind. We have called it curry goat. Yeah. It's dope. Like, my aunt at the shop every friday night they used to have a big cook-up uh-huh where they would kill a goat yeah and they'd have a guy come around and then they'd make like soup out of the head of the goat goat head soup yeah it's called manish water manish water and then everybody would just come by to drink and

eat the manishwata. Yeah, drink the manishwata. Yeah, you go, yeah. The hot sauces. The hot sauces. They're important, right? Yeah. The Jamaican hot sauces have like the sweet element.

Like there's some mango in there sometimes. Yeah. Right? I think, I don't know if they do that for tourists. It's like reggae music. Yeah. it's like it's like reggae music like if they want to cross over some reggae music

they'll put they'll water it down right so that people can digest it like we used to have the pepper it's called scotch bonnet

and just drop that right in the thing and it's just straight pepper that's hot as shit it's hot as shit yeah and that's what

you grew up with yeah but now they gotta make it a little more appealing. Yeah. Take the edge off. Yeah, take the edge off it. Same with reggae music? Yeah, certain kinds of reggae music, yeah.

Bob Marley was real, but Bob Marley is like, that's how I like to do comedy. You can say a hard message in a way where people that grew up on it don't think you sell sold out right and people from the outside are like this shit is hard and but not too angry not alien but not angry and alienated right like but you have your message in there and it's undeniable yeah and people will play it for thousands of years yeah forever forever those marley kids are going to be eaten for generations yeah And they should be. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, for sure.

But there was music that you grew up with where it's like, that's just not going to play. It's like the secret reggae. Yeah, now in retrospect, it's like, yeah, I can see why that dude didn't make it. Because even in your- Like who, Yellow Man? Not even Yellow Man. I can't think of any specific names but just think of guys who you thought were good musicians who didn't yeah get

as big as other musicians and then you could track back to sure like okay raw is yeah too raw something yeah you need some finesse is that music you grew up with is that the music you like yeah what yeah it was around the house when i was in england it was in the house yeah and definitely when i went to jamaica it was in the house but was uh but there are other musics right uh you've got all the other music like in england they was playing everything like it's one station playing everything yeah maybe not enough reggae because right reggae was like fighting to come up uh-huh and uh but then in jamaica you're hearing a lot of reggae. How old are you? I never tell people. Okay. Yeah, I'm one of those dudes.

That's the only thing I don't tell people. Okay, that's fine. You're 60. Yeah. I say 70, but you know. You've been around a long time. That's all. Yeah.

But do you remember when they're like, the reason I'm asking is like, do you have a recollection of when reggae became, like, the fucking global experience that it was? Oh, here's the thing. It was always big to me. Right. Because that's all I heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, so, like, I don't remember when it became.

And I guess if you're on the outside, it became big to different people at different times. But to me, I just grew up listening to it. So, all right, so you move up here after you finish school. Right. And you got a degree in going to marketing. Literally. Yeah, exactly. And what did you do when you got up here?

Would you go to school again? Went to high school again. Went straight back to high school. Oh, my God. From the beginning? No, I think it was a year and a half or two years yeah i went to union high school and uh it's funny because i think they put me back a year because they said you're from jamaica yeah you can't be smart you can't be smart but jamaica's run on the british system right which is i think is more advanced than

the american system but they just judged you they They just judged me. You're from an island. Yeah. Yeah. You're going to have to start. Yeah, you're going to have to start a year back. Yeah, we don't want to test you or anything. I don't think my parents knew to argue that either. They just wanted to get you into the school.

And where were you living? In the city? No, I was living on Long Island. How far out? Where? I'd say 45 minutes. It always took me an hour to get to the city. What town?

Uniondale. Oh, Uniondale. Yeah. Was there a Jamaican community out there? out where uh i say 45 minutes always took me an hour to get to the city what town uh union dale no union dale yeah was there a jamaican community out there yeah in in new york there's jamaicans everywhere yeah yeah yeah were you even thinking about you know how you're gonna make a living or like you have a big dream yeah i figured out that i didn't want to be poor. I figured that out. So in my young brain, the only way to not be poor was to go to college. It's like,

back then, you could think, anybody that went to college kind of has a good job. Yeah. So I just didn't want to, I just wanted to be like at least middle class

and have a good job. But you didn't have an idea. But I didn't have an idea. Just going to go to college.. Just going to go to college. I was going to go to college. But then by then, this is really dumb. This is super dumb. So I used to watch General Hospital.

And there was a guy. He was like a physical therapist. And I felt- The character. One of the characters. Yeah, yeah. And he got a lot of women being a physical therapist. Yeah.

And I was like, I want to be a physical therapist. So that was the dream. Yeah, that was the dream. I'm that simple. You're basing your life on a fictional physical therapist who got a lot of pussy. On TV. TV bitches. He got TV bitches. not even real life bitches not

like i knew him and he was pulling him so i didn't know if yeah too correlated no it seemed reasonable yeah it seemed reasonable so did you look into becoming a physical therapist yeah i went to uh new york institute of technology you did you pursued it i pursued it yeah okay and i took majors in biology. Yeah. And they had a soccer team. My sister went there a year before me. And they had a division two soccer team that made it to the final four. So I was like, I'll walk on and I'll try to get a scholarship to finance my pussy getting physical therapy career.

So the plan, the bad plan is still has some some at least some type of merit to it sure no i mean it was a it was a profession that helped people and they had soccer right so you know it probably seemed to you like like this is this is meant to be yeah it's meant to be yeah so did you finish a degree in physical therapy nah like when we got to dissecting a fetal pig. Yeah. I realized this wasn't going to work out. How does this lead to me getting women? Yeah.

Just dissecting a fetal pig? I'm in a lab coat. There's a dead pig on the table. Yeah. And I have a map of all its veins and I can't find none of them. And I'm cutting through and I've cut past the point where I could ever find this vein. And I'm like, what if this is a human in front of me? Yeah.

I was like, you can't do this. But you weren't going to be a surgeon. Physical therapy is just like a guided. I know, but that's all I needed. I mean, I didn't take it didn't need take much for me to get into this situation so it wasn't gonna take much for me to get want to get out of it yeah but you weren't upset by it i mean you grew up around people butchering animals right right so that wasn't the problem that was never the

problem it was just like like i like there's an honesty that I got from my father. Yeah. And if you're going to do a job, you got to do it good. And I was like, I don't think I'll be able to do this job good. Because I can't find the veins. I can't find the veins. Like they said, there's supposed to be a red vein there. There's supposed to be an artery there.

I don't find it. And I think I already cut past the point where it should be. And this could be somebody's body. There's a big moment. There's a big moment. And that was it. And I think I already cut past the point where it should be. And this could be somebody's body. There's a big moment. There's a big moment. And that was it. You walked away. Yeah, because, well, you know you have to take electives.

So I had taken like a TV class. TV? Yeah, they had like a TV department and a film department. So I'd taken those. And I said, you know what? And this is before comedy i said i'm out there they had a script writing class that i took there was a journalist journalism class that i took and then i took an acting class in there and had a film where you

actually learn how to make film really yeah yeah you did all that shit did all that shit like cutting on the beds and all like you make make your own. Yeah, yeah. Editing. Started with the super eight class and all that stuff. And the flat, the straight up flat bed shit. So you did finish. You just didn't finish in biology. Yeah, I just switched. I said, I'll do that. Like I didn't kill anybody when I was editing.

Yeah. There were no veins to find. There's no veins, yeah. There's no possibility of loss of life. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so that. It seems safer for people. Right.

Yeah. So you got a degree in film and television? Yeah. Communication, yeah. Oh, so that seems safer for people. Right. Yeah. So you got a degree in film and television? Yeah. Communication, yeah. And then what happened? And then started, and it just, I guess maybe that opened me up to, and I was still kind of working at the Burger King. I didn't know you were working at Burger King.

Yeah, I was working at the Burger King. Which one? In Long Island? East Meadow. Yeah, Long Island, yeah. Oh my God, man. Yeah. You had to-

It sounds so sad to me when I said, oh my God, man. Just working It sounds so sad to me. Oh, my God, man. Just working at Burger King, like, where? At the counter or in the back? Mostly the back, but once in a while I hit the counter. So you're just throwing the patties on the belt? Yeah, throwing the patties on the belt or on the other side of the broiler, picking the patties up and putting them on the bun. And then going down the line. Passing them

to the person who put the pickles on them. Doing that type of shit. There must have been a few moments similar to the pig moment where you're like I can't do this for much longer. Well, it wasn't even like that. Again, when you're from Jamaica

and you're like your existence is more meager then you don't think this is bad. I know this is a stepping stone job. Right. But I don't feel bad about it. Plus, we were having fun. We were joking around. We were laughing.

There was a homeboy there. His name was Greg Ellis. And he was a singer, but he was funny as shit. There's something about restaurant work. There's a camaraderie to it. You know what I mean? Y'all know it's not the greatest job in the world, but you can have fun just talking. You can have fun.

And we were young enough not to take it. Like, we saw this guy. He just came out of prison. Yeah. And this was his job. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. This was as good as it was going to get for him.

We knew we weren't in his position. Like, he came out of jail and he was just you just like he was just trying to be right listen he couldn't fuck this up if he fucked this up like we used to wrestle in the freezer he couldn't get caught wrestling in the freezer or his life was over everything relied everything was relied on that job like everything like he had to put the pickles perfectly on the bun yeah and the cheese like he couldn't get told more than three times in a month right or else what the fuck was he gonna do so it was a condition of his parole yeah yeah fucking do nothing do nothing yeah yeah he's just trying not to engage in the behavior that got him

in prison yeah yeah oh my god so that's hilarious So I knew I was in a better position than that guy. You could wrestle in the freezer. Yeah, I could wrestle in the freezer. We had full-on WWE matches in the walk-in freezer. That's how you played it? Yeah. Were you a big wrestling fan? Yeah, I was a big wrestling fan.

People loved wrestling. Yeah, back then, you know. Yeah, I know. Some kids loved it. They loved it, right? Yeah, they loved it, loved it. Yeah. I thought it was real. You did? Yeah, back then, yeah. Yeah, I know. Some kids loved it. They loved it, right? Yeah, they loved it. Loved it. Yeah.

I thought it was real. You did? Yeah, back then, yeah. But when you found out it wasn't, did you stop watching it? No, I fought it. Yeah. You didn't even believe people. I argued with people.

I argued with people. Full-on illogical arguments. About how it's real. How it's real how it's real yeah fuck that so was your heart broken when you

yeah it was definitely broken oh I'm sorry man yeah you know so was that the last time you enjoyed Resolute I still watched it for a good amount cause then I was like

this shit is entertaining right and then that wore away yeah and then that wore away then you grew up yeah then you grew up yeah

so you still work at the Burger King. You graduate. You got your film and TV degree. Right. And what's coming into your head? What are the ideas? Right before I finished college, I was joking around on the drive-thru. I'm taking orders and I'm clowning.

Just making up, doing hacky,ical shit yeah and i got a mic yeah basically i got a mic so it's like using yeah and then uh you know and i'd learn to tap into my sense of humor from watching greg you know he's the singer because he made the day go faster and people just gravitated to him right and. And, you know, I'm still mentally like out of place in a brand new country. Right. You know, I've only been here a few years. Yeah. So once I started tapping into that, it just was an ease.

It was a good sense of humor, a good conversation breaker. Great. Common denominator with people. Right. common denominator with people right and then so then using that and then just cracking jokes on a drive-thru a complete stranger one day after i took his order comes to the window and he's like hey man uh was that you that took my order he said man you're funny man you should do comedy yeah and as quick as i was a physical therapist from an advice of a stranger i hadn't even been watching him for a few seasons on tv some guy that wasn't smart enough to order real meat from somewhere says you should be a comic and i was

like this is a great idea it's the best thing i've ever been told in my life but you knew you liked that dude that was funny right yeah yeah yeah's all you needed was a little bit of yeah just a push yeah yeah it's a push well i mean i imagine too that because i i kind of remember you know seeing you when you first started coming around that you know you were up you know you had to make some decisions about how you're gonna how are you gonna be funny right you know because you you and you and you've sort of held that you're pacing and like you i mean i think you were Right. You know, because you, and you've sort of held your pacing, and like, I mean, I think you were different then.

Yeah, I was. But you know, the way you phrase jokes, you still sort of, you know, you're very deliberate, and it's very, you know, it's very true to yourself. I was in there somewhere. Right.

Yeah, yeah. Right, but you know, because you're judging yourself against, because you got a naturally different rhythm. Right. So you know what I mean? You're going to either figure out how to milk that, or rid of it right you know but uh but how did you find what was sort of the the who were the guys you first saw that made you also realize that you could do it i mean how

did you get from from that guy telling you you'd be a comic to doing it uh started like listening to comedy albums like uh prior and cosby right i listened to red fox and this is blasphemous but i i didn't get it you didn't get it nah and even though prior and a lot of people swear by i was like yeah this ain't me well no that was just sort of like filthy jokes yeah yeah but everybody was like so like red fox red fox like I like the TV show. Right. But as a stand-up, I'm like, these are joke jokes. Yeah, they're joke jokes. Yeah, I'm not a joke joke fan. But you heard who?

Pryor talk about him and Cosby, they refer to him? Yeah, especially Pryor. And I guess he opened up doors. So no Red Fox. The thing I appreciate is no Red Fox, no Pryor, so I can't dismiss that. But I'm like, stand-up of Redd Foxx personally, not me. Right.

But he's a funny guy. Funny guy, for sure. Yeah. And I wish I could act as good as he could act. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Comedically, yeah. Yeah, he was something. You know, I've got those party records.

I don't, you know, I've listened to him a couple of times, but there was something about his timing. You know, that character. Right, right, right. You know, when you watch Stanford, like, he's a memorable character. Right, for sure. Unforgettable. Yeah, it it was really something but so you were a prior guy as a prior

guy yeah you listened to all of it yeah i listened to all of it did you become like a historian like you know the prior before he became prior and you know about all that stuff yeah i became a historian and i saw like i'd buy like old vcr tapes where you know they'd have his performances when he is in black and white yeah no when he was like cosby i read the book yeah yeah i did everything yeah yeah everything you follow your gods yeah that's you do yeah yeah yeah and it's it's amazing that transition that he made you know from that and where you just feel here and breaking apart you hear the rawness right right of of where he's at so so what did how did he inform your comedy what did you know you could do by or what do you think you had to do after

listening to prior well it let me it's it gave me structure joke structure yeah you know so no matter what style i had at the time i would always have structure and it was unintentional and it just rubbed off on me like him and cosby they just had joke structure you know you set it up and then you go the other way right or you say what the people expect you to say but you don't say it in a way they expect you to say it right and then you know everything is continuous there's always more there than like i remember having difficulties like just having a bunch of one-liners and that used to bug the shit out of me you know yeah because because like once the one-liner is done you gotta do another yeah you gotta do another one it's like how many how many of these one-liners do i need

i gotta find new topics and i don't think i can't make something funny out of these topics right and then then so then the stuff that they taught me without even going back and listening yeah makes me realize makes me figure out what's missing. And he said, all right, take these one-liners and build on them. And I'd go from a one-liner

to a whole story or a bit. Right. Because I didn't give up on it. Like I just said, you could go here, I'd start looking

for directions. So you would write it all out? No, just at first, sometimes I, back then I wasn't writing it out. Yeah.

But in my head, I'd be like, where else, back then I wasn't writing it out. Yeah. But in my head. Right. I'd be like, where else can you go? Right. Follow the truth. Yeah. Follow, like follow the lines. Yeah.

And see where they go. Now, once that guy encouraged you at the drive-thru, did you start really working the drive-thru or? And then what if I just stayed on the drive-thru and not gone to the comedy club? And they'd be like, I'd be like, what? Just you and the ex-con at that Burger King. Just me and the ex-con still. Yeah, yeah.

He's still making sure the pickles are right and you're killing. And I'm killing, yeah. It's hilarious. So how'd you find your way to actually get on stage then? There was a comedy club right down the block. Which one? Governor's. Right, Governor's. In East Meadow. actually get on stage then uh there was a comedy club right down the block and which one governors right governor in east meadow and that's a fun like now that i'm talking to you if i look back

at it it's like why did i end up at that bird king that bird king my brother worked there and he got me a job there yeah and so i've been there since high school and i stayed there too long how many years uh maybe five years wow maybe could have been six there's a period when i left and came back you and mike lawrence yeah i've got those stories his mcdonald's story mcdonald's stories yeah i think i did hear you talking to him about that yeah oh yeah he's great he just he just he surrendered his will he just he figured this is what he was gonna do it's hilarious six years that's a long time but it's Governor's, which is one of the great old clubs. Yeah, man.

Used to have a great sound system. I remember that room because everyone smoked in there. Yeah, back then, yeah. And all the memories of clubs. I remember that being the smokiest fucking club, but they had real good speakers. That's all I remember. I remember playing there a couple times, but it was there for a long time. Right.

So what'd you do, just wander over there? I knew it was there because there was a club, like a club club near there. So I just but it was there for a long time right so what'd you do just wander over there uh i knew it was there because there was a club like a club club near there so i just knew it was there so i went over there and i started checking out open mics and i was checking out the open mics and then at the same time during the other weeks i would like talk to people and anything that i said that was funny i'd write it down in my head yeah that's a joke that's a joke then i try stuff intentionally i just slip it in that's a joke so i had a set so you were you were thinking like a comic yeah i was thinking like a comic automatically already yeah right so who do you remember the guys you first saw because i mean you ended up in new york

scene so you must have been seeing some of those dudes well like first like first I saw Oprah Mica's. Right. But they ended up somewhere. Some of them, no? Nah. You didn't make it. I didn't make it. There was one guy. He's still around. His name is Franz.

And then there's Craig Mitchell. I don't know if you know Craig Mitchell. He's from New York. But he doesn't do stand-up anymore. He's acting and he has a regular job but he moved to LA. Yeah.

I follow him on Facebook and we talk sometimes. But there was this one guy his name was Franz Cassius. I know Franz. You know Franz? Yeah. I follow him on Facebook and we talk sometimes. But there was this one guy his name was Franz Cassius. I know Franz. You know Franz? Yeah. He was around

working the angles forever. Yeah. Yeah. But Franz was like from Roosevelt lived a block from where Eddie Murphy lived and that's the town.

And Franz was fucking funny from day one. Yeah. And one of the most amazing things he ever did to me like as a comic I'm a shy person. I could be very introverted. Yeah. And one of the most amazing things he ever did to me, like, as a comic, I'm a shy person.

I could be very introverted. Yeah. And one night, Franz was going up, like, near last at the open mic. And this is before I started. I'm just watching him.

And the audience, there was eight of them, and four of them decided to leave. Yeah. And Franz stops him at the door and said, don't leave.

I'm next. I guarantee y' guarantee i'll make you laugh and i thought that is so fucking ballsy what if he doesn't make him laugh i would have just let them leave yeah and then they came back in and he went on stage and he killed him and this was like maybe a year and a half to win for him yeah and i just thought that was fucking amazing that was the one of the first most amazing thing that I've ever seen in comedy. Was that guy like,

yeah, we had to hold on to the audience. It was the worst thing about open mic. Cause you just sit there the whole night, watch people leave. Yeah. But you, and you're watching people,

your friends, terrible comics, walk them. So when did you start, when did you actually get up there? Uh, age wise? No,

I mean, you know, comedy. Like a few, after like two or three watching two or three open mics i went and did it yeah yeah how'd it go horrendous yeah horrible yeah horrible it's just it's the worst did you lock up yeah i locked up like yeah one thing i didn't notice from watching the shows off stage is how bright the light were when you were on the stage. Yeah.

So I'd never experienced lights being shined in my face like that. Yeah. And when you lose your sense of sight, you pretty much lose everything else. Yeah. You know, like the audience was, I think it was a decent crowd that night. I told some people to come down. Yeah, that's the worst. And that's the worst.

And then I was nervous. Then I couldn't see. I think i did the whole set like this like with my hand up like on like like somebody's shining a flashlight in my face and i'm talking to somebody with a flashlight in my face that's that's number one and then so it locked me up and i and it made me also realize why cops shine the light on you when they pull you over to like to just kill your senses. It disorientates you. Yeah. Yeah. But the thing that made me keep doing it was I stumbled and stuttered through every joke and fucked up the timing and set up and punchline of every joke except the last one I said perfectly and it worked.

And I was like, all right, all I got to do is stop being nervous and I can be a comic. Yeah. Yeah, and that was it. Thank God for that last joke. Thank God for that last joke. I wouldn't even. Still be a Burger King.

Still be a Burger King. Work in that window. Okay, so you do some open mics. And then, like, I'm trying to remember where I saw you first. Probably over to Boston, right? Yeah, probably to Boston. God damn. What year was that man 89 maybe 80s or 90s or something like that yeah early 90s yeah yeah because there was a point when i realized i was doing comedy and long island open mics

westchester yonkers like hitting like shooting stars in all those clubs. Yeah. There's one in Westchester. I can't remember the name of it. Did you do black clubs? Back then, not yet. Not yet. Oh, you eventually did? Yeah, I did eventually, yeah.

Where, in Philly? Nah, like the Uptown Comedy Club started. Who was booking that? Andre and Kevin Brown. Yeah, yeah. And Kevin Brown is Dot Com, the guy that was on 30 Rock with Tracy. Right, right, right. So he used to own a comedy club.

And Russell Simmons used to come there and Wesley Snipes. A ton of people just used to come on a Sunday night. And Russell Simmons wanted to turn that into Def Comedy Jam. And the Browns were like, nah, we're going to do this thing on Fox. And then Russell went and did Def Comedy Jam. He wanted to partner with them? Yeah. Oh, that's got to be looked at as a mistake.

That's got to be a little bit of a regret there. Yeah, maybe, maybe. So you started out doing the Boston because anybody, we could all do the Boston. Yeah. I remember you coming around with your dreadlocks. I'm like, what's happening now? See his attitude.

What's this guy's angle oh that's hilarious but uh but it was weird though because i remember you you're very fit right and you had these dreads and like you had this presence but you're very quiet right you know very cool and you know you know you just kind of you didn't you didn't make no waves right and you get up there and you do and you were fucking you know you had your shit right, you didn't make no waves. Right. And you get up there and you do, and you were fucking, you know, you had your shit. Right. And you were hitting it. And I had that shit because I was doing the black clubs. And you're just doing New York period.

And there was a, I think all the comics were afraid. So they wanted to jump on the audience so that the audience wouldn't jump on them. Yeah. You got to nail that first one. Yeah. And keep nailing them because i've seen shows i've been in black clubs where you'll do 10 great jokes in a row they'll be rolling saying this guy's the greatest and then you tell that one bad joke and they turn on you you're like hey man well we're just good we're just good 10 jokes you just

boo get the fuck off was there like when you were doing because i can't imagine there were that many people from uh from uh the islands in general right well even though it's a black room and you're black did you find that that was a an obstacle at all or were they able to appreciate uh the that you come from a different place i mean how was that it was only an obstacle out of town where there were no jamaicans Okay. And I found that out the hard way. Where? Like Temple University. Okay, yeah, Philly. Philly.

I don't think there's a lot. That's how I found out there's not a lot of Jamaicans in Philly. Uh-huh. Because my opener was a Jamaican joke they usually killed in New York. Yeah. And nothing. And I was completely affected, and they could see I was affected. It just threw you.

And it threw me. That was your opener. It was my opener. Yeah. could see I was affected. It just threw you. And it threw me. That was your opener. That was my opener. That was kills. Yeah. Because you needed to kill with an opener in a black crowd. Get you in. Get you in. Get you in with them.

Yeah. And then I did the second Jamaican joke. And then the third Jamaican joke. It was over. It was over. It was like a stadium, a basketball stadium full of people booing you they booed yeah they booed yeah the fuck man yeah i know black audiences are hard and that way if you can win it win them over it's great it feels great but i don't understand that

fucking boo and shit it's like come on but it's just part of it stronger this is a part of it yeah yeah like like you know every time i was booed it was devastating but ultimately at the end like when you when you kill a black crowd you feel like wow yeah like when you i've gotten standing those in front of black people it's like it makes the booze like they could they went from this audience could have booed me but they stood for me so it's like like everything in between is like it don't matter yeah yeah yeah i know i know it's just but i get it it's it's fucked up it hurts man it's definitely fucked up yeah because you just there's no more lonely feeling to be in front of a room full of hundreds of people that they're booing yeah or they just don't like you it's like

that's the loneliness i'd rather sit in this garage by myself right and not talk to anybody for three days than to be alone on a stage with a bunch of people watching you not laughing not like a thousand people bonded over booing you a thousand strangers bonded like the only thing they ever did together in their life or agreed on that's not that's never good but it was it was funny because like um you know you paid your dues and we were you know i mean we we kind of came up together yeah and uh and then i didn't see you for a long time right i don't even know why but like i didn't like i i guess i went to a lot of different cities and then all of a sudden i saw you and it's like holy shit that's that kid with the dreadlocks with no dreadlocks he seems to have leveled off somehow and now he's like you know it was i was so happy to because a lot of

times you don't see people for years you're like are they even in it right right where they where you'd be like france you know like we're having that guy right but you fucking you know i i don't know if you ever went through a hard time or you there was a period where where it wasn't working out or what no I always had fun I was just kind of off your radar like uh yeah in like 2000 or maybe 99 I got a writing job yeah on a talk show out here Keenan Avery Wayne, late night talk show. So I had like a set that was ripping around town. Here? In New York. Yeah.

And JB Smooth's manager now, Rick Dorfman, who used to be a manager at New York Entertainment, was running that club. So he tells me that there's a writing audition at Gotham Comedy Club. They're looking for writers for keenan's talk show yeah so am i interested to come down do five minutes for the lady you know it was shauna gar i auditioned and i killed then she said you have any writing samples you know yeah because it was for a writing

job right but they were looking at stand-ups because keenan's a stand-up but were you one of those guys like i never even thought about that like i never thought about i never wanted to write for anyone else uh but you're taking screenwriting so i took you like i'd start and started writing movies yeah and just for myself right and some tv shows ideas so i started writing those yeah and one of the reasons why i started writing those or why i even had writing samples when she asked is because a few years earlier i'm hanging out with this kid named arnold asavito i don't know if you know arnold asavito he's a comic too i don't know from he was from long island yeah so he was like we're just hanging out on after

a show he's like man i gotta i got 300 sketches i was like what what What do you have 300 sketches for? I wrote 300 sketches just in case I get on Saturday Night Live one day and I'm a writer. I don't have to come up with a new idea every week. And I was like, I just got quiet. Everybody's still talking regularly. I'm like, shit, I don't got it. So what the fuck am I going to do? I don't have any sketches.

I don't have any sketches. I was calm down and don't panic there's a logical way to fix this i said you come up with ideas all the time and you say you're gonna write them down and you never write them down next time you come with an idea write it down yeah next time after that come on write it down yeah before you know it you'll have a few sketches and you won't be at this 300 sketch deficit i started doing that yeah and then uh i like when i calm myself down like yeah the moments of maturity sometimes are standing even for me well you know you feel like you know like i'm not doing it right yeah like i'm not prepared yeah yeah did you start writing them down and i started writing them down. I even wrote a few out. And then the ones I didn't write down completely, I just wrote the idea out, the beginning,

the middle, the end. And I did that audition. And she said, you have any writing sketches? And I just went home. And I sent her a six sketch packet that night. It was like nothing. Thank God for that guy. Yeah.

Thank God for that guy. What's he doing? I don't know. He's got a lot of sketches ready. He's got a lot of sketches that are unproduced. But Arnold was funny, too. Arnold was funny, too. So you had the shit, and you sent him, and you got the gig.

And I got the gig. And they talked to me in December. And then the first week of January, they flew me out, and I started writing on the show. Then it got canceled. And then it got canceled on hiatus. I was in back in New York and then they said the show's canceled.

But I felt like I could make it trying to get more writing jobs here. You understood what it was like then. Yeah, I had a feeling. You were in the room. You knew it wasn't a mystery. What is a writing job? Do you sit by yourself? Are there other people involved? Right. So you were like the room you knew yeah it wasn't a mystery you know what is a writing job do you sit by yourself right are there other people involved right so you were like that's a

gig that's a gig yeah and it's an entertainment i love entertainment that's right so i could do that and plus i didn't want to fight for those 75 50 spots yeah in new york it was like very rat racy i was like there's got to be more to it than that now i'm not saying i managed my writing career correctly either right but it was better being out in the sun here and you know hugh moore yeah i was in the car with him one day because i had to come back anyway to get my stuff if i was gonna where did you see him where is he shows up in weird places yeah like i was doing a job in uh in phoenix i think i think he opens for, I think. He opens for JB sometimes? Yeah, he opens for JB. Right, right, right.

He was just there and I'm like, what are you doing? He's a good guy. He's a good guy and he's a writer too. And we both, he had been writing on the Chris Spencer talk show. Remember when that was going to be huge? That was going to be huge. So he was writing on that and I was writing on keenan and they were rival shows right then mine got canceled then eventually his got canceled then we so he'd already moved out here and we're chilling in the car and

we're listening to mob deep and one of the rappers says scared money don't make money and you know what that meant to me i had like a nine thousand dollar payoff from the keenan ivory man show and i could take that money go back to new york had a nice apartment in jersey city and build on top of that money with the shows that i'd already get just from being in the new york area yeah do colleges yeah do the city clubs which i love doing the city clubs yeah it's nothing like just going from spot to spot to spot it's exciting and you know i have a poor jamaican financial mentality it's like nine thousand dollars was a lot of money to a kid you can retire in jamaica with nine thousand i think i had five more thousand that my parents went back to jamaica to retire it's hilarious so then i was gonna just take that go back live in my apartment rent was cheap yeah and uh i was

like nah stay here get in the i didn't even have an apartment spend money get an apartment and spend the money till you get a job right scared money don't make money so i just stayed scared money meaning like if i just stash it away and don't change my life or take any more risks or or try to get into the big game right then i don't there's no growth possible there's no growth right so you did it i just stayed yeah yeah so you've been out here that long that's why i didn't see that's why you didn't see me yeah and then i came out here in 2002 and i'd see you around but i you know i ran into you at a gas station i know exactly like the on franklin right and i was like mark yeah i don't even know if I remembered your name. I just knew I knew you.

I just knew you were a comic. I knew we had seen each other a long time. Yeah. So it was kind of awkward. I didn't know if you remember me, but you did. Yeah. And then I didn't have dreads anymore. Right.

So then that throws people who I was even close with. Right. It was probably over by where I lived. Was it that one right off the highway right there at Franklin in like Gower? Yes, exactly. Right. And I was living right around the corner. Oh, shit.

Like 2002. Yeah. I was just happy to see it. I was like, oh, shit. It's good to run into people from New York that you know. They run it in LA. Yeah, yeah. It's like, okay, we're going to be all right.

Yeah, we're going to be all right. It's all it takes. You're here too? I kind of remember that because that's the feeling. It's like, oh, you're here. Yeah, okay. So I'm here too. Okay.

That's all it takes, man. That's hilarious. We didn't make a mistake because you're here. Yeah, it's funny. It's scary, man. Those first couple of years when you're used to jamming those spots and doing four or five a night and being in that community and you finally get in in New York so you can actually work and you make a couple of million, 150, 200 in a night, but whatever. You can run around, do the cellar, do stand up or whatever.

And then you make this weird decision like to fuck that off. Right. For the bigger, whatever, the bigger life. Right. Or the bigger shot in show business. It's scary. Yeah. First couple of years.

I mean, that's why I lived over there because in my mind it's like, I can walk in this neighborhood. Right. It's like two blocks that you can walk. I'd go to Bird's. I'd go to the newsstand and walk to the Gelson's. And that block was like a slice of the village. That's right. So it was like-

I was walking distance from there too. I said, first time I went to Bird's. Yeah. And that's true. I said, this is like the village. I'm going to come here all the fucking time. That wears off. Yeah.

I can see why that happened. Yeah, yeah. Because in the village, every block looks like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can walk four or five blocks. You get a little tired of walking that one block. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

So where'd you end up living now? Right now, I'm in Reseda. Is that right? I mean, so this is what happened. So I'm in Reseda. I'm trying to put the house up for sale. Yeah. Because I don't want to live there. You bought a house. I bought a to put the house up for sale. Yeah. Because I don't want to live there.

You bought a house. I bought a house. And I have writing jobs. And plus, after writing jobs, I got to do sets at night. So I was encountering a sleep deficit because after I did the writing jobs, say we get off at 5 or 4 or 6, I didn't want to go home to Reseda to come back to do a set at 10. Yeah. So I'd stick around. Yeah. four or six i could i didn't want to go home to recita to come back to do a set at 10 yeah so i'd stick around yeah and sometimes end up sleeping in my car in hollywood to kill time if i couldn't

like attach myself to a friend to kill time with them that's what comics do yeah what are you doing yeah yeah okay i'll run errands with you if i couldn't use somebody then i'd sleep in my car like a homeless person and then do my set at 11 or 10, hang out a little bit, and then get back home at 1 a.m. And then start at 9 a.m. in the morning again. So I was like, I need to be back near where I was, where I ran into you at the gas station. So at least I can come home and get some sleep. I'm losing three hours of sleep a day. Right.

Like a nap or something. Right. I can come home and get some sleep. I'm losing three hours of sleep a day. Right. Like a nap or something. Right. So then I put it up for sale, got a buyer, 45-day escrow.

And five days before I was supposed to close the deal, the realtor calls me and said, you got to move out because the new owners want to move in immediately, like on the day of the closing. So I said, all right, cool. Put my stuff in storage, did that and uh the day of the closing she called me and told me that the buyer's loan fell through oh fuck i'm like bitch i moved say goodbye to the neighbors we threw a party i can't just move my shit back in and act like like the the going away chocolate cake that they bought me. I didn't stuff it down my face. That was your biggest fear?

They think you're going to, that you worked them for the cake? I worked them for a cake. He's Jamaican. He worked us for a cake. It's simple. So you moved back in? Nah, I'm sleeping in an empty house

on a sleeping bag. Right now? Yeah, on a sleeping bag on the astronaut phone. Yeah. Was just trying to sell it? Yeah, because I'm still trying to sell it. And then I stay at a friend's house,

another comic's house, kind of in the Hollywood area sometimes, so I don't have to undo my sets. So that's where, that's the position I'm caught now.

And I'm writing on a show in Burbank, so I'm like, So you're doing all right? It's not bad. Like, I could be better. There's, everybody in the room is 10 times or 50 times richer than me. Yeah, but you're working. So I'm like... So you're doing all right. It's not bad. Like, I could be better. Everybody in the room

is 10 times or 50 times richer than me. Yeah, but you're working. But I'm working. You've gone through how many shows? So you did the Keenan Iver Williams thing.

Then what kind of happened after that? Then I got a little stint on SNL because Barry was managing Tracy Morgan. Are you still with Barry? No, no, no.

Oh. Then I did Lyricist Lounge Show, another show on MTV. Yeah. And then... In New Barry? No, no, no. Then I did Lyricist's Lounge Show, another show on MTV. Yeah. In New York. No, it seemed like it was a New York show, but it was shot and written here. Right. Then that ended after two seasons. Then I just jumped

from show to show. I need to find some stability. So I ended, I did Kevin Hart had a sitcom in 2004. I wrote on that. And did the Boondocks before that. And I was on Punk'd as one of the players on Punk'd. Did that and wrote on more sports. And what else?

With Jay? With Jay. So you've been working as a writer pretty steady. Pretty steady. And then I kind of fell off out of the stand-up. Yeah. And then there was a point I said, I'm going to get back into this and started doing the stand-up back okay yeah because it's it's weird you you kind of lose your anchor if you get rid of the stand-up yeah i'm gonna back

off on that but then like that's the one thing that you can honestly own yeah you know what i mean yeah i said if i want to get bitches like a physical therapist, I better shoot this stand-up. I got to get back on stage. That still was the goal. That's the goal of a lot of things. Yeah, yeah. So basically, everything's all right now. You're just trying to sell your house and figure out where you're going to live. Figure out where I'm going to live and boost my profile.

Stand-up's good, man. You're solid, buddy. Thanks, man. You too, man. Love watching you, man. It's inspiring. Oh, thank you, man. Feelings mutual. And thanks for coming You're solid, buddy. Thanks, man. You too, man. Love watching you, man. It's inspiring. Oh, thank you, man. Feelings mutual.

And thanks for coming and talking to me. My pleasure, man. It was a great talk. That's Ian Edwards. Yes. The great Ian Edwards. That was a blast. I love that guy.

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