WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 560 - Adam Goldberg

Episode Date: December 17, 2014

Adam Goldberg is one of the only WTF guests who can match Marc's neuroses note for note. He's also a Renaissance man who continues to hone his skills in photography, songwriting, filmmaking and acting. And, oh yeah, he was thrilled to be gruesomely murdered in Saving Private Ryan. Strap in for this one. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Calgary's on the right path forward. Take a closer look at CalgaryEconomicDevelopment.com. what the fucking years what the fuck stickers what the fuck stickers have i said that before anyway welcome to the show i am mark maron this is wtf thank you for listening what a year it's been huh i've got no list of things to share with you i've got no best ofs i've got no breakdowns i don't really believe in lists that much except when i'm on them towards the top then then all of a sudden i'm very excited about any list but other than that i'm not really a list guy my guest today renaissance man adam goldberg you may know him as a musician as a photographer perhaps best you know him as an actor from saving private ryan or dazed and confused but uh to me he's just another nutty half jewish guy we had good time talking you'll enjoy it. Okay. Good.

What have I been doing? Hold on a minute. I'm going to go get a book. Drew Friedman. He's going to be on the show soon. Drew Friedman. I do not know if you know Drew Friedman, but he's a genius illustrator.

A genius comic artist. I think the first time i saw his work was hold on what was that called it was uh any similarities the person's living or dead is purely coincidental which he wrote with his brother josh allen friedman their dad is bruce j friedman the amazingly brilliant dark uh short story writer from the 70s. Wurz and All, he also wrote with his brother. Private Lives of Public Figures. Old Jewish Comedians 1, 2, and 3.

But this one is new. If you're a comic fan, Heroes of the Comics, Portraits of the Legends of Comic Books. This is a nice Christmas gift. This is Drew Friedman, great comic artist, and he wrote all these little pieces on people like Max Gaines, Harry Chesler, Sheldon Mayer,

Craig Vlessel, Jerry Iger, Will Eisner, Al Jaffe, Stan Lee. All these people that I know very little about but you comic heads. It's a beautiful... Mort Drucker. Mad Magazine folks. Am I right?

It's a beautiful book.er mad magazine folks am i right it's a beautiful book so if you want to pick that up drew friedman's heroes of the comics uh it's got a forward by al jaffe al jaffe who changed my life through mad magazine did mad magazine change your life changed my fucking life anyways love drew friedman i did talk to him that interview is forthcoming everything's all right i'm trying to not cry i'm trying to accept myself and others trying to put love out into the world oh my god it's screener time i'm a member of several unions and some of those unions have awards i get these screeners because i'm a voting member of this or that i watched uh still alice with julianne moore about the woman who gets early onset alzheimer's she's the fucking best actor in the world oh my god i've always thought this

i want to talk to her so bad i want to talk to her so do. I want to talk to her so bad. Do you know that like years ago, I guest hosted four episodes of Later when they were looking for a replacement for Greg Kinnear. And I just so badly wanted to interview Julianne Moore. I was terrible at interviewing, but the people I ended up interviewing, who did I end up interviewing? What's that comedian's name?

Jessica. Oh, shit. Lisa Ann Walter. Robert Loja. David O. Russell. Roger Ebert. Those are the four I ended up interviewing. But I never got to talk to Julianne Moore.

Anyways, Still Alice is a profoundly moving little movie that I was watching with Sarahah the gal i'm dating and we were it was one of those movies like i think americans have sort of a they really need their movies to end well they really need their because i've heard that some people are like i'm not sure about that movie there's no reason not to think that's a great movie other than the fact is it's about a woman with early onset alzheimer's then there's no way it can end well in some respects see that's the twist of that movie because i'm midway through that movie and i'm saying like do we do we even need to watch this but i want to watch julianne moore but like this is brutal you know alec baldwin's in it and there's a great supporting cast but where it goes at the end and what it takes you through as she deteriorates

with this disease is profoundly human and the way this thing ends is so perfectly poetic that it's it's celebration of of of humanity through this trying tragic story it really it flipped my mind like Like I, I really, after that movie, after I watched her, her performance is spectacular, but the way that button at the end, the way it ended, I was sort of like,

you know what? You know, life is what it is. And, uh, and it doesn't end well for anybody. Maybe if you're lucky, you go quick,

but, uh, it's a very human thing dying. There's nothing you can do to stop it but it is part of it it's part of the journey but uh see it julianne moore is amazing i went and saw inherent vice paul thomas anderson's film loved it don't know what anyone's problem with this is it's based on a thomas pinchon book i believe thomas pinchon had a hand in the creating and writing of it paul thomas anderson is a genius even when he's inconsistent he's still a genius but man this this movie was a journey a sort of

kind of uh lyrical poetic half hallucinated jaunt through the transition from the 60s to the 70s with all the layers of crazy pension-esque bullshit all the paranoid weird connections that he invented it i guess it's a private eye movie i don't think it fucking matters what kind of movie it is it's just layered and funny and bizarre and loaded with uh with real the real guts of of what the united states was like at that moment and i i have a hard time understanding it and i think hopefully i'll get to talk to Paul Thomas Anderson. I think that might happen. That's all I'm going to say. That's all I'm going to give you.

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What? What are you recording to? Into the computer. I really thought this was going to be a reel-to-reel thing. Because I really assumed. You thought I was really a full- reel thing because I really I really assumed you thought I was really a full on analog yeah this is

disappointing I'm sorry I was like no is it Pro Tools or what no it's GarageBand alright alright that would have

been hilarious check check the reel to reel is going so wait so you go where did you go Germany

Palm Springs oh you mean like a couple years ago what was the performance thing all right okay so i i briefly had a a record label uh called ps played against sam you have a lot of big ideas adam i do have a lot of big ideas yeah execution yeah this is the from this is the

goldberg sisters that was the record that I played against him that played against him records is your record label that's not my label that's the label that picked up that record and made me go to Europe so and this is the most recent one Strangers Morning that's the one I would say I'm arguably most proud of just because that was the one I don't necessarily it's to me the most cohesive

and personal and well I played everything on it so by that by that alone and all the songs were written in the same general time frame, whereas the other things were almost more gathering material over a period of years and playing with different musicians. But the last one was all sort of me in the course of a year. So the Germans here, which one? Why do you keep thinking it was Germans?

I don't know. Didn't you go touring? Yeah. Didn't you just say someone? Did I go to Germany? Yeah. I thought you said somebody bought you gear or you needed to.

I did. It's just funny that you think it's Germany. I think I just said Europe. Oh. But I think it's a saving pride Ryan thing. It is true that I am fixated with Germany, but I mean, you couldn't have known that. Maybe I could have.

No, you could have. How long have you been fixated with Germany? I don't know that I'm fixated. But I did go to Berlin And I did feel haunted by it Really? I did yeah And why because

Well I went there I took a very Well there's two reasons why I mean first of all I went there to visit The ex-girlfriend who thought Prague rock Was music made in Prague Was from Berlin?

No no no But she was working on a On a motion picture there Yeah a movie Right And so. What? I was trying, I thought if I thinly veiled what it was by calling it a motion picture.

How about a film? She's working on a film. It was hardly a film. Really? Not to disparage the. The upcoming filmmakers? Yeah. By calling your ex-girlfriend's movie in Berlin barely a film?

No, it was a, doesn't matter. The point is. I don't know. I don't know if it doesn't matter. It does matter. But I was going because the last time I didn't visit her on a film set, she broke up with me from the film set. And in this case, she broke up with me anyway

when she got back on the way back from the airport. But you made the effort. I did make the effort. I have a horrible fear of flying. Do you? Horrendous. I'm a horrendous flyer. For for how long i even had to bring a buddy you're not going to take notes for how long since around 13 or 14 around the time i became

how do you function i mean i horribly i function horribly you're anxious like now not as bad as if we were doing this on a plane but not great. I suggested that to my assistant. I don't know how Adam feels about this. It's weird, but I feel like

if he's going to bring all this gear, we should rent a plane. We should go to San Francisco. Charter one. Charter a plane for Adam to record on. I think that's probably

the next record. It is the next step. It's about your fear of flying and your attempt to overcome it by recording in the air. Sure. It's that Erica Zhang book.

What is it? Fear of Flying. That'll be my musical interpretation of it. the air. Sure, it's that Erika Jong book. What is it? Fear of Flying. That'll be my musical interpretation of it. But the anxiety thing, that's ongoing? Since only about the age of 13. Oh, before that, everything was great? Everything was pretty good.

I didn't, no, I don't think it was. But I don't think I was aware of the fact that it was. Oh, you don't remember. Yeah, I start looking back. I was like, oh, there were signs. I had headaches every day when I was nine years old. But of course, I had no self-awareness. Right, no, of course. All right, so wait, let start looking back. I was like, oh, there were signs. I had headaches every day when I was nine years old. But, of course, I had no self-awareness. Right, no, of course. All right, so wait.

Let's work backwards. So I went to Berlin. You went to Berlin. The reason why you were haunted by it, you'd been there before to chase down this girl and try to make that work after you blew it before. Well. And she was working on a film that is not really to be spoken of.

No, we shouldn't speak of the film, but we should know. Never speak of it. Never speak of it. But no, so I went for that and actually thought the place was really fascinating, you know. But I took a very dark bent, I think, you know. And I took basically the sort of, it took a very historical, it was a very historical vacation, historically bent vacation.

In other words, I went to, I was like, where's the nearest concentration camp? You said that to somebody? Like, I don't care which one, where did Jews die? Basically, I looked in the Fromers and I was like, where's the closest concentration camp? Because we're not going to go for five hours.

We're not going to go to Poland. Right. We're in Germany, they have them here. Exactly. Which actually, I wasn't really, I didn't- I didn't know how many there are well there's one that's right outside of of berlin which is which was an early one no no i can't remember the name oh an early one a very early one we're honing their it was it was very it was the early you don't remember the name i don't know i want to make it uh i don't remember the name you just needed to go someplace

where jews died i did a lot of mass yeah right and it was upsetting yeah it was also imagine if you went to auschwitz i mean this was a smart i wanted to go to auschwitz we we tried we wanted to we couldn't fit it in right i became then obsessed about i wanted to see them all i wanted to go to the big one you know how many are there like 12 i don't know i'm not an expert although netflix thinks i am because every fucking time i log on, they suggest, and literally now they suggest a human lampshade. That's the, I'm not, I'm not fucking, I'm not kidding you. Is that a movie?

There's some fucking documentary about the. Whether it really is a reality or not. Yes, exactly. And is it? I wouldn't watch it. I actually started to and I turned it off. It was about three in the morning. Cause that's one of those myths that we heard when we were in Hebrew school.

I don't know how, how Jewish you are. That's what they're trying to do. I went to Jewish day school. Yeah. First of all, my mother wasn't Jewish. Right. But I went to Jewish day school. Well, you know what that means, right?

Yeah, but my penis is Jewish. But your dad is very Jewish. My dad isn't, although over the years, he's become, I feel like, increasingly Jewish. Like, this is a man who does not know how to operate his email yet somehow manages to forward me almost on a weekly basis some kind of zionist yeah propaganda my dad's like that too i got one today but only today about the shield no no but i mean i don't know if they're in the same loop or not but i started finally sending sending rebuttals back because it was getting to be a barrage. And I have a good relationship with my dad, you know.

But he was never, do you know what I mean? Like, I never thought, I thought he was Jew-ish, like me, Jew-ish, you know. Well, what triggers it? Like, if they don't get triggered by some need to connect with a spiritual thing, they become very loyal to Israel. Is that what it is? Yeah. I don't know why.

But it's all, yeah. I mean, I do know why because. It's happy and it's like, I don't get why but it's all i mean i do know why because happy and that's and it's like it's like i don't get invited to ironically right because i'm considered you know quite jewish or i'm considered you know what i mean people who know me yourself well i i well i i i think that i have another point point of view on that but i mean i i i think it was done to me a little bit. I mean, like sort of in vitro. But the point is, is that I never get invited to seders. I always want to. I don't either.

Never. My mother's Jewish. I don't get invited. Nobody invites me. But my dad is very happy this, happy that, happy blah, blah, blah. And this shit, I swear to you, did not. I didn't get a bar mitzvah. They didn't give a fuck. Right. But now, now like he wants to feel connected he found israel i would say he

didn't find god he found israel that's right i think that happens he's probably republican now he started to move further to the center not but then he moved back after it took the entire first second you know bush jr term the second one or the first one second bush yeah but it took his entire term for him to to move back to the center left right because he was he was going right over he was he was in iraq with bush right basically well 9-11 fucked a lot of people's heads up i guess so yeah he just he just kept moving further and further and further to the right and it was just to the point where you couldn't even i couldn't have a conversation with him so and now it's the it's it's this you know obama was just like i mean you can couldn't even, I couldn't have a conversation with him. And now it's this, you know, Obama was just like,

I mean, you can't, oh, you know, it was, no, I mean, it was like the second coming for him. I mean, it was so, politically, I love the man, anyway. So you grew up here? I grew up in Los Angeles, yeah. The whole time? Yeah, I moved. You got brothers and sisters?

Well, my father and my stepmother when i was in my 20s had two daughters do you have you have 20 year old half siblings basically yeah teenager and a and a teenagers that's interesting yeah yeah yeah i mean it's kind of and your mom is where she's in topanga canyon she's a it's kind of... And your mom is where? She's in Topanga Canyon. She's a therapist, psychotherapist. What kind of therapist? A psychotherapist, a therapist for psychos. Okay. A psychologist.

A psychologist. A psychologist. Not a psychiatrist. Not a psychiatrist. So she has people come over, she has a practice, and she's got regular customers, and she lives in a nice house, and the office is in the house. She does have a home, but the home office thing is very recent oh really yeah

she mainly had a uh she has not she has an office in santa monica and and and she's always been a therapist not really no no uh that's new she was a uh she was a show girl she wasn't no but uh she was a when she met my dad i think she she was, no, my mother's going to fucking kill me. She won't hear it. No, no, no. She'll hear everything. She's probably hearing this now.

Somehow. Not live. The mother that you've implanted in your brain is hearing it. No, no, no. And she's doing a very good job. No, no, no. But like we went over, we went out of town over the weekend. Yeah.

You and your mom? My girlfriend and I and this couple that we know well. You travel with couples? Not usually, not usually. How'd that go for you? But we wanted to try the swinging thing because it's like we're a few years into the... No, no, they're a nice couple.

My girlfriend's business partner. Do you know how to do that? Swinging? No, not swinging. Anyone can do that, kind of. But I mean, do you know how to... So you're like, oh, we're going to spend a weekend with another couple. Yeah, I have to tell you, I was... Well, as of. But I mean, do you know how to, so you're like, oh, we're gonna spend a weekend with another couple.

Yeah, I have to tell you, I was, well, as I am about most things, I was a little anxious, but it turned out fine. It turned out lovely, actually. It was nice. And we had sort of done it before with a different couple at the same house in Palm Springs. You had a nice grown-up time? Well, I pretended to be a grown-up,

and they were actual grown-ups. Like, I cooked once, but I fucking went into a full panic and I, and I tried to conceal it. What kind of panic? Like I don't have. I can't, I was, I didn't have enough sauce. I was fucking, uh, I had made too much pasta for the amount of sauce. They wanted to help out in the kitchen at the same time.

And I didn't want to say, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't. Yeah. But really it makes me fucking insane. When there's someone there, like, do you need this? Now they're going to hear this. What are you talking about? Do you don't think your girlfriend knows this about you?

She knows this. The other couple? Clark and Lauren don't. But look, they know I'm crazy. Now we know. They know I'm crazy. I don't know if you're crazy. Are you crazy or just like a little neurotic and anxious?

Oh, I don't think I'm crazy. No. No, no. I mean, I don't think I'm. No, no. I don't hear voices. Right. Except when I'm sleeping, which when I actually.

Do you hear voices? I have hypnagogic hallucinations. Hypnagogic? Yeah. Hypnagogic. You had to look that up? No, I didn't.

Well, I had to look it up because yeah, I had to look up, you know, what it was that was, in fact, I learned about it.

What does that mean? It's like, you know, when people say they've been abducted and they describe that sensation, that's all they're describing. So that's what happens to you when you sleep?

Yeah, but I don't go around saying I've been abducted. Were you? No, what I'm, what around saying I've been abducted. Were you? No. My point is I'm working backwards here. I think that they- I don't know if we're working in any timeline.

Backwards would be impressive. I think that people when they say- I think we're trying to land somewhere is what's happening. I think when they say they've been abducted. Right. Oh yeah, back to Palm Springs. So my mother texts me, how's the eggplant parmesan?

My point being is that I had one point I told my mother that Lauren, one of the members of the couple, the female member of the couple, made an amazing eggplant parmesan. And how that was interesting because I don't like eggplant or eggplant parmesan, but I love hers. Wow. What do you think it was? Is it because

sometimes the eggplant, if it's not cooked all the way through. She makes it real flat and fried or something like that. It's soft, right? Though, I mean. I can't remember. I had it once and it's just. Well, what was your experience that turned you on it? The point was, I remember enjoying it. I obviously mentioned this to my mother. And as soon as we land in Palm Springs, I get this text from my mom. How's the eggplant parmesan you know something along those lines so when I said to you oh she's going to hear this oh no she's not going to hear this I said she's hearing it now that's what I meant

she knew you had it hypnagogic hallucinations so that's like an alpha state you're half asleep and you hear things and you're aware that you're asleep and you can't do anything about it. And some people who've described me.

I think that's called date rape. Yeah. Basically, what's happened is I've been roofied a series of times by various family members. And you watch them. And I'm having some PTSD. And they're forcing you to listen to them. Yeah, that's right. That's exactly right.

That's right. What is that moaning, that sort of fucking sound? Because I don't remember dreaming that. So people who have lucid dreams. Yeah. I have been having them lately. And you can control your dream. So it's very similar, but you're not really visualizing anything.

Right. And you're hearing things. And I've done things. People have had out-of-body experiences. Right. So I told a friend about this many, many years ago. I had one of those. Okay, so.

You? All the time. You have them all the time? Are you here now? I'm here right now, but when I'm sleeping. Yeah. And it depends,

if you're overtired is usually when it is. Right. So years ago I told a friend of mine about these states I had and I was hearing this drilling sound and I felt like I was being sort of bored into the bed, like I was going, somehow driven into the bed beneath me and it was horrifying. I was terrified. And it was around,

it was the year I went to college. I say the year cause I dropped out the following year. Right. Um, and, uh, you know, so I sort of thought I was maybe having like a nervous breakdown or something. So he said, that's amazing. I've been trying to induce that experience. Here's this book. I've been reading it, and he'd been trying to induce these out-of-body experiences. What was the book? I don't remember.

But it was some book about how you can induce out-of-body experiences. So that didn't interest you? Well, to me, it reassured me. Right. Because I thought, oh. And it was possible that you have a gift. That I had a gift, that I was touched. That I was touched.

I don't even need to read this book. Right. I'm doing it now. That's what he gift. That I was touched. That I was touched. I don't even need to read this book. I'm doing it now. That's what he said. He's like, basically, you're touched. Yeah. So later that week, maybe, I began to have this experience again. And I was being drilled into the bed and felt paralyzed. What do you mean drilled into the bed?

Was there a... I don't know how to explain it. It sounds like... Like a pressure? Yes. But you're... I'm face down. Oh, you're face down?

Face down. Oh, my God. And like you're sinking. Like you're falling. Like you're falling. But you're... I'm face down. Oh, you're face down? Face down. Oh, my God. And like you're sinking, like you're falling, like you're falling, like you're falling. Right. But not... But you're being... But there's... You're being compressed into something.

Yeah. You're not falling. Well, but there also is a sensation of falling. Right. But let's get... Let's track it. Mm-hmm. So you grew up an only child.

That's correct. With a... At least a Jewish an only child. That's correct. With at least a Jewish looking father and a mother who- My mother's very olive. Olive. Yeah. Okay. So you're in, where'd you grow up? What part?

Well, I grew up- Santa Monica? No. My dad lived on the west side, but my parents split up when I was five. Oh, that explains it. That explains some things. Your parents got divorced? No, yeah, they did, and it was devastating.

I was 35. Were you really 35? Yeah. Were you devastated? No. Not at all? Not really. It was hard to figure out who to live with, but it was my choice.

Oh, my God. What are you going to do now? You're taking pictures? Yeah, this is... My interest is waning and now... Your interest is... No, I'm kidding. It's obviously because things are getting too deep. What do you mean too deep?

Too intense and I'm hiding behind my camera. Ask you where you grew up and we're already in... We're in the weeds? No, no, we're good. So I grew up in the middle of town, like the Wilshire District. That's the weirdest place to grow up.

This is like ill-defined. It is very ill-defined. I never knew what to call it. What, in one of those apartment buildings? No, I lived in a house which I cannot fucking stop dreaming about.

I had a very recent dream about it. Are you being drilled into the house? I'm not being drilled into the house but I do have surreal, I mean, it's a dream.

Of course, it's fucking surreal. I had a dream the other night that involved my ex-girlfriend who we were planning on having a child. Right. But it ended badly. And I was in a house and I don't know who else was there with me. But there was a sliding door out onto a patio and my friend Jim Schubert, who I haven't seen in years.

Well, no, he's been in here, but I see him around. But he was outside. He was throwing a fit about something. He was like losing his fucking mind he's a comedian and i opened the sliding door to find out why he's freaking out and then it turns out he's mad at me and then i turn around and there's some the people who were there trying to slide a large box a lot of sliding yeah sliding a box into the through the glass door and i was worried my cats were going to get out. And then I went back into the house, and then I'm in my grandmother's living room,

and the stairs that go upstairs, the woman who I used to date is coming down the stairs, very pregnant. And she walks in with this other mishegoss going on behind me, and I look at her and I go, I had nothing to do with that. And she's like, that's a real nice thing to say. And that was the dream. Huh.

What the fuck is that? Well, do you want to talk about it it's not it's not how how x how x of a girlfriend about a year uh-huh you haven't seen her in a year no but you still feel a little haunted yeah yeah well yeah i do yeah but what does that got to do with jim schubert and whatever the well there's a lot maybe a lot of day residue in there as well did you did you day residue that's true yeah that's Did you talk to him, get a message from him? No, but at the comedy club I was working at, he was coming the following week, so I saw his picture every night.

Right. So, okay. That's why he- That's what it's called? Day residue? Yeah. That's why he was there. What he represents, of course, is-

Me. Yeah, probably. I'm on the outside screaming. Yeah. And I just can't get, I don't know. Yeah. Well, keep talking. My work is almost done here.

Keep talking. And I can't get that box into the house. You can't get the box in the house? I'm not making changes because I'm afraid to. Well, you don't want to take responsibility for something also. Is that true? It does, yeah. She's not pregnant.

Right, no, no, I know. Maybe that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Did you instigate the breakup? Yes. Yeah. Do you feel guilty about it?

I feel, it saddens me, but I didn't see a choice. Okay. Yeah, so I don't know if it's guilty, but it's sad to make choices that maybe part of you is not emotionally wants to do, but it has to do. Did she live with you? Yeah. She lived here?

Yeah. Wow. Okay, so you grow up in Wilshire. I grew up here. I went to school at a private school called Oakwood in North Hollywood where a lot of famous people. But not the weird one in Santa Monica not Crossroads

but it's similar there was three I didn't actually get into Crossroads I'm still bitter about it I was waitlisted have you tried recently I probably

I guarantee you I would not get in now what little I can I retain from Oakwood so what is Oakwood do we mean famous people like oh it was just like

it was celebrity people yeah it was just one of the it's like there's sort of three- Well, there are several. Fucking LA, for one thing. But what did your old man do? Were you in show business?

No, he had a wholesale food business until really recently called Goldberg & Salvi Foods. Really? Yeah. And his father was in the food business. Exporting type of stuff? He was- He sold food to restaurants and institutions.

Right, right, right. A distributor. Yeah, a distributor, yeah. Okay. Did you go- to sold food to restaurants and institutions. Right, right, right. A distributor. Yeah, a distributor. Okay. Did you go, were you part of that? Did you drive a truck?

No, as a kid, I used to answer phones there. I thought it was really exciting. At the warehouse? Yeah. Yeah. In Vernon. Yeah.

Where, you know, you remember in Cary where they go and get the pig's blood? Yeah. That's right near where we worked. Really? Yeah. That's an interesting point of reference. So every time I see Kerry, which isn't often, but when I see it, I smell it.

Oh, wow. Because it stinks down there in Vernon. It smells like pig. Is there a lot of butchering going on? Yeah, it smells like pig. So your parents split up when you're five and you're going to this fancy school. Are you upset? Well, I didn't go to that school until many years later.

That's when I went to the Jewish school after they split up. And I used to sort of like, I like to exaggerate the divorce because I think I wanted it to be more, I like to talk about it a lot. I remember a girl I was trying to impress in the second grade asked me about my dad, and I said, well, you know, it's like Star Wars. Because I had just, I guess, seen Star Wars. And she was like, well, you know, it's like Star Wars because I had just, I guess seen Star Wars. Right.

And she was like, oh, you mean he's dead? Because I was alluding to Luke Skywalker having it. And I was like, no,

but I only see him on weekends. You know, I was like, because I thought that was kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah. But,

no, I thought, to be honest, I thought I took the whole thing in stride and I think it was only really in my mid-30s that I started to realize that it really fucked me up.

When you start to ask questions about why you are the way you are and track them back? Because here's what happened. Yeah. I went to therapy so early on that it almost became- How old? Very early on. Are you afraid to say? No, I'm not.

The first time I went to therapy, I was nine because I was getting headaches every day. Okay. It was getting headaches every day. Okay. It was very briefly. Right. Then when I was 13, I began to have horrible, horrible anxiety episodes. Like what? I couldn't go. It started in a math class and I thought I was going to vomit in the math class.

Over a problem? No. Oh. It was completely out of left field. Like I thought I just had the flu. Right. But it became evident that I was having some kind of, you know. Not connected to anything.

No, it seemed irrespective. I mean, I didn't like math. I was bad at it. Right. I mean, so maybe that's why it happened when it happened. Right. But, I mean, no. Then it would be elevators.

I couldn't go to plays. I mean, the funny part is. Plays. I couldn't see plays, but I was in plays. Like, as a kid. A lot of people have that anxiety. How long is it? Is it production? I was in plays, but I was in plays as a kid. A lot of people have that anxiety. How long is it?

Is it production? Not that kind. Not that kind. No, I mean, I was afraid I was gonna be stuck in a theater in an elevator. Right. I mean, it was acute for a few months. Right.

It was really acute for a few months. I couldn't go in an elevator. And how were you able to track that? What did you figure it out to be? Well, I started to go to therapy. You start to talk about it. Just the talking about it makes it less sort of monstrous or whatever. But I guess my point was is because I had been dissecting this childhood of mine from so early on,

it ceased to have the sort of, I think, is my analysis of it, ceased to have the kind of impact that it would have maybe if I had just started cold at 30. So in some weird way, I had taken, oh, yeah, well, of course, ceased to have the kind of impact that it would have maybe if I had just started cold at 30. So in some weird way, I had taken, oh, yeah, well, of course, the divorce. Oh, and of course, this maybe too close relationship with my mother and maybe this awkward relationship with my father and, you know, whatever it is. But when you're nine- And you start to say that, you start to say, you identify it early. Yeah.

You say it so much, it starts to lose its meaning, like a word, right? It starts to lose its value. It's not connected to anything. It stops feeling like anything. And at a certain point, I think maybe when i stopped going to therapy and then maybe started again or whatever it was or maybe it was when you know one certain relationship fell apart and you're like jesus christ i'm 36 years old you know what the fuck is this is not funny anymore wait i can't get my shit together yeah i really yeah there is something there's really an issue.

I'm 50, so you're looking down the barrel at... Listen, man. What? I'm 40, yeah. I'm gonna be 44 this year. But it's all the same. We're all basically 80 at this point. I mean, do you know what I mean?

Like, it doesn't... No, we're not. Well, a little bit, though. It's not a year goes by. Five years go by. You don't have kids. Not exactly. That's a whole other story.

What does that mean? Well, it depends how dark you want this episode to go. What do you mean? I can handle it. Yeah. We had a... I haven't said this. I haven't talked about this at all.

Who's we? My girlfriend and I. We've been together for several years. Okay. So we had a, she was pregnant. People know this because in whatever social network land. Yeah. You know, so people say, oh, how's your baby?

So we had a stillborn child about a year and a half ago. But, and I, you know, haven't, you know, talked about it. I mean, of course I've talked about it, but not in any sort of public fashion. It's horrible. Yeah. Totally horrible. And also horrible because I had been ambivalent about having children. Yeah. Well, it's weird that you had that dream, by the way. Yeah. And I talked to you about it. Well, it's weird that you said, yeah, yeah. That's strange. Anyway. But so did you know, were you aware that that was going to

happen? No, no. Oh, really? No, I mean, it was like- Day of thing? It was four days after the due date. I mean, we were just- That's devastating. Yeah, no, it was horrifying. And it was also like my worst fear. So, you know, and I had, there's been a few, you know, in the past, I don't know, six or seven years, life got as disturbing and frightening as I had always kind of imagined it was. Everything you had prepared for. Like a friend of mine died in 2005 in a really

horrible way, who was a really, really, really close friend of mine. And, you know, up till then, it was a lot of existential masturbation. Do you know? Right, sure. I had a very good life. Well, I think that- And I have a very good life. should i mean you know what i mean i had i was not i was i was very lucky i had you know grandparents that live a long time and healthy parents and yeah so what they got divorced and so what i you know i'm in the same yeah you know got vertigo spells but the weird thing about anxiety is that like anxiety churns away specifically to try to protect you from against from those realities. Like, you know, your brain's just working every angle out of fear.

Of course, yeah. And then when real shit happens, there's no way to be prepared for that. And it brings you right into the present. There's nothing you could ever imagine. No, one of the craziest sensations I remember having is when my friend had died, you know, I had to, I found out while I was driving on the freeway and I had to pull over on the side of the road and I had to call a friend of ours

and start, I guess, sobbing. I'm not sure. You can't even identify what was. Well, I don't remember if it was like, I don't remember if I was just so incredulous at that point and I was trying to sort of do some sort of recon or if I was crying it. But I remember when I went to the funeral, there was the whole thing.

It was just devastating. It was this woman. I feel like I should identify it as this woman, this 21-year-old girl who I guess had gotten to a fight with her mother and said wanted to kill herself so she drove 100 miles an hour through the streets of chicago and rammed her car into my friend's car to kill herself and he and his two friends were on their fucking lunch break you know they all worked at shore yeah we're looking at shore right the back looking at a microphone says sure so they worked at shore microphones they did yeah huh and uh they were just on their fucking lunch break and this woman you know just kills them i mean like instantly

did she die no of course not and she got time served and she can go fuck herself right um and she anyway so so so that was all confusing what the hell had happened right so anyways you go to this funeral and three people and they were all musicians and in Chicago also. I mean, I think there's it branches out. It's far reaching. I think that the community. Yeah. The effects of something like that.

Anyway, at this funeral, which was like packed or whatever, you know, there was only three of us that I guess spoke, three friends. And I remember getting up there and I had this crazy uncontrollable feeling. I couldn't, I don't know that I've had that feeling. And I remember getting up there and I had this crazy uncontrollable feeling. I couldn't, I don't know that I've had that feeling. Well, the only other time was when my son, you know, baby died.

Where I simply had absolutely no, I had lost complete sense of my faculties. I had no, I absolutely no, there was no skill set. There was nothing I could rely on. And you couldn't simply, you couldn't rely on, let's say, your anxiety. There was nothing between me and the pain of trying to speak to this crowd of people. And there was no sort of theatrical artifice I could rely on.

You were consumed with emotion. Consumed with emotion. I mean, I completely not. You were consumed with emotion. Consumed with emotion. I mean, I'm not breaking ground here. Right. Yeah. But yeah. No, but it's a weird feeling.

Yeah, it is. Like I've cried in front of crowds. Right. And when you feel it coming, what do you? You're drowning. It feels like drowning. It does, but there's that moment though where you realize that, all right,

this is an appropriate place to do this. You know, we're all feeling grief. Right. It's not out of context. Right. I'm not, you know. Right. Although I have to say there was still this little self-aware part of me because I, you know, have always been this way and have been sort of obsessed with movies since I can remember.

with movies since I can remember, and always observing myself, and always sort of imagining the cinematic version of whatever reality I was in at the time, and blah, blah, blah. In other words, not fully being present, I guess you might say. There was still this small part of me that- You're really anxious.

You're writing this down on a sticky note. But there was a part of me that stepped back and thought, I hope this doesn't come off as disingenuous. In other words. You were self-conscious about being. Well, because I said at one point, I'm sorry. Because I was trying to read this fucking thing I had written in the goddamn car ride, you know. And I just couldn't read it.

And so I said, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. And all I could think of was the 85 movies I had seen where someone's like, I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Just, I'm sorry I'm sorry and all I could think of was the 85 movies I had seen where someone's like I'm sorry yeah I'm sorry I'm sorry just I'm sorry and I thought oh fuck you know this this these are his parents you know what I mean and like

I don't want to I kind of wish you would have said exactly what you're saying to me there yeah I don't know if I don't want to see seem disingenuous because I'm not really feeling this. Right. But you have to understand that I'm a little self-conscious. Right, right, yeah.

That would have gone well. That would have gone over well. Did you get through it? What happened? Yeah, I got through it and it was... And I got a really lovely... This sounds fucking horrible.

Look, I got great feedback on it, Mark. Got really good feedback. I fucking... I killed. Nailed it? I nailed it. I fucking nailed it. Oh, boy.

So you've had this horrible couple years. Well, starting in 2005 there was... So that year was the same year that the girlfriend in question, the one who thought prog rock was music made in Prague. That was the first time that she split up with me. It was also

the year that my film, the second film I had directed, had come out, but it was after three years of being in kind of a... Where are these movies? We tried to get these movies. Yeah, I know. Well, that's what I was going to tell you. I love your work.

You can kind of find. Scotch and Milk was a film that I had made when I was 25 that I crammed to the gills with jazz. Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jazz. Couldn't license it? Basically, yeah. I think now I probably could because the deals, licensing deals,

have become much more, well, manageable and I think appropriate. What did you learn from this horrible event with the stillborn and with you know the the losing of the friend and and i imagine you're talking you're telling me that this relationship was sort of the beginning of the dominoes falling the breakup and what have you i think what i learned was is that i'm incredibly resilient person and not just that i am that people are incredibly resilient they are they're built to handle just incredibly fucking resilient and that so you know after i after this one year

where this movie came out it came out for a week and after i'd been fighting to push it out in the theaters for two years my first of all that year began with my dog dying my dog of nine years you know then then the breakup a tv series i was on it was canceled after two episodes which one called head cases yeah the film came out for a week was on. It was canceled after two episodes. Which one? Called Head Cases. Yeah. The film came out for a week. The girlfriend dumped me the day after my 35th birthday on the telephone. On the telephone. Yeah.

And I had to move out of the house because- You were living together. Yeah. Prior to that, I owned this fucking fantastic little house that I sold to Giovanni, who was on your show. Yeah. In Silver Lake for what was now would be an inconceivably small amount of money. Right. With a pool.

But, oh, I'm in love. Right. And you're much richer than I am. The girl was. Yeah. So let's make the most financially fucking self-destructive move. Yeah. I'll give up my life and move in with you.

Fucking. That was idiotic. So, but I, you know, I rebuilt my little life and then got back together with her as soon as I I had fully when you went back to Berlin constructed no I so I got a house and I had my life I was dating a girl and Roxanne that's my girlfriend so she's she's pregnant again this is something else I'm we're not telling it we weren't going to tell anybody until, I mean, it's obvious. You can see her. She's gigantic.

But we weren't going to tell anybody unless you ran into her. Right. But I would be remiss in saying, oh, we had this horrible thing happening without saying. Were you able to get through it and be supportive?

Does your anxiety enable you to be there for other people? I mean. No, I mean, this is the thing. Yeah. I'll give you two examples of, yeah, how counterintuitively,

in fact, it does. Or, yeah, yes. In other words, you have to be aware. There is a part of me. Right. And what I have learned and what I learned from that and what I learned when there was a guy that was in our house at four in the morning

is standing over my sleeping girlfriend. This is something else that happened a couple of years ago. Over Roxanne? Yeah. You woke up Roxanne? Well, I was playing guitar upstairs. It was four in the morning, she was asleep. And I just hear her screaming like a horror movie,

like a fucking horror movie. So I run downstairs with my guitar. As a weapon. Yeah, my 1965 ES-3 gibson over my head yeah and uh there's this guy who look at the time it was just confusing it's sort of this preppy kind of handsome he looked a little like andrew garfield from the facebook movie yeah i mean i guess now he's spider-man but at the time he was however you want to see him well that's how i saw him because that that movie had just come out spider-man you would have been up against something that's true that's true the facebook movie you could handle i could handle that guy well that's what i saw him. Cause that, that movie had just come out. Spider-Man, you would have been up against something. That's true. That's true. The Facebook movie you could handle.

I could handle that guy. Well, that's what I kept thinking though, because I kept thinking like, and she kept thinking that like, we must know this guy. Why is he standing in our house? Like you're going through this thing where,

so the only thing I could come up with is the guy from the Facebook. Yeah. Must be going to somebody's party. Right. And he must've walked in, even though it's impossible to get, I mean, the way he had got into my house is so circuitous and kind of treacherous because

it's dark and you have to walk up this very steep hill and blah blah blah he's still in silverwick uh no because no right but but close let's feel this yeah so anyway whatever to make a long story short i i scared the guy out of the house but what came out of me was this incredible amount of like, I mean, like I was ready to fucking kill the guy. Yeah. He was bigger than me or whatever. But I mean, and look, if the guy had a gun, the guy had truly been a threat. Who fucking knows? Maybe I sized him up.

No, I don't. To this day, I don't know what it was. He was a guy who kept saying, is this so-and-so's house? And is he drunk? This is what everybody says. Was he on drugs? But I mean, yeah, he had no kind of affect. So maybe. his house and no and is he drunk this is what everybody says was he on drugs but i mean yeah he had no kind of affect so maybe yeah but he didn't look like uh he looked like a i mean maybe

he was like an ecstasy you know what i mean he looked like a preppy guy who would be on ecstasy right maybe he was on acid i don't know weirdly a week later moby who i don't know but i read this was uh had an intruder in his house you'd really have to climb a hill to get to that house in the morning yeah who apparently was on acid and i guess moby made him fucking breakfast and the difference between me and moby and i'm sure there are a lot um you're not as lonely it's i mean i'm not saying i'm gonna say anything i'm just saying i'm sure there's a lot of differences uh to answer your question you become i can be there for people yes

and that's one of the the only thing I suppose positive to come out of this experience with which one with the pregnancy yeah

is that well congratulations that you're expecting again thank you but I were not I'm telling you as a as a to balance the story out but I don't feel unfortunately we're not, I'm telling you to balance the story out,

but I don't feel, unfortunately, we're both fucking freaked out. It's just not fun. Scary. It's just not fucking fun. Yeah. How long are you in? I don't know when this is going to go up.

You might have a child by the time this airs. Right, or not. All right. That's how I just said. Try to be optimistic. I know, but it didn't work last time. Although, actually, I don't know that I was optimistic last time, which, of course, then I started...

Did you get any answers about it? Yeah, some very kind of oblique things. Like, we had these extensive sort of tests done, which showed some incredibly... If you Google it, you will find an A paper, which cites an incident of this, like some crazy chromosomal aberration, except that that's not, they're saying that we could have that, you and I sitting here could have it.

So it was a mystery. No, it's a mystery. It's a sad mystery. And most of them are, apparently. But you seem okay now. Well, I mean, yeah. No, I mean in general. Yeah, I mean, you know, it was a weird year because that happened,

and then I went, and I went almost immediately, and I went, yeah. I had made this record towards the end of the pregnancy. The pregnancy. Stranger's morning. Right. So that took on kind of eerieerie impressions in some in some weird way and people can get this record that yeah the record you can buy the movies you're fucked um what are you gonna do about that when can we well no i love your work you can find it's on dvd somewhere

all right um and then on netflix no i don't i think you have to brand it on netflix i don't think they stream and i have don't i don't control these things it was an ugly battle i no longer had it was a really ugly situation are you gonna do something you want to do more of directing yeah that was what i had intended to do as yeah somehow i got sidetracked and now i'm an actor oh really basically yeah but you've been acting since you were 20 it's it was it was it was it was a way right but i made my first film, I mean, I wrote my first, I made my first film, well, yeah, when I was about 24, 25. When was your first acting gig?

19. But I was making short films, you know, the idea was, like I applied to NYU film school, I just didn't get in, you know? Yeah. And, but I always argue it was because it was like the last year before they accepted films as part of the entrance

requirement. Requirement. Yeah. Isn't that bizarre? Yeah. So you're growing up, you're going to therapy, you're living with your mom who's not a therapist yet. Your dad's selling meat.

Selling meat. To hotels and restaurants. Right. And you're here in Los Angeles. You get to be about a teenager. You start going to the fancy school. So when does your interest start in the movies? So you say to me that you've always found a tremendous release.

Oh, like when I was a very little kid. Like what was it? Like what were the ones on loop? Which were the movies that you were like, that's the greatest movie in the world. gotta see that again and again well i mean it would sort of change i mean i think like when i was six and seven it was sort of obvious sorts of things like you know rocky yeah to me it was like i left rocky i mean you know saw that saw the movie in the theater and i left and i was shadow boxing i was like i want to be a boxer

yeah so i went and took boxing lessons but then I also started putting on little scenes for my parents. So I remember combining. Both your parents remarried? My father remarried many, many years later. And my mother had boyfriends and then remarried some years later. So my mother's first boyfriend after my parents got divorced was this guy. And my father would come over to pick me up on weekends. And I would up on weekends,

and I would put on little, I'd sell him a ticket. Yeah. You know, sort of make this, you know, kind of make this joke that. Yeah. I had to sell my poor father a ticket to fucking pick me up to see me. He already had to deal with, like, this fucking hulking ex-boyfriend. Right. Or a hulking new boyfriend of my mother's. Yeah.

And we would perform. Literally, like, I saw some kids do Macbeth at the Jewish Community Center. Yeah. So I made my mother, and Werner was the guy's name. Werner. Things weren't bad enough. Yeah. Perform a sword fight scene.

Yeah. A sword fight. Right. Okay, nothing Freudian about that. Right. For my father, and I don't know what the fuck I did. I think I directed that one. That's a good movie right there.

Yeah. And then I- You weren't in the sword fight? I don't remember if I participated in it. I'm sure there was- But you staged the sword fight between Werner and your dad? Werner and my mom, I think. Had a sword fight.

I don't remember. And you made your dad watch. Basically, yeah. It sounds like a- I love that as a scene. And you're like nine? How old are you? I'm like six or seven.

Seven years old, maybe. So you were trying to resolve some things. Oh, yeah. But that was the thing. I immediately became like a performer. So then I did some combo. I did a scene. It was like doing acting class scenes before I knew what acting class was.

Where you join an acting class and you do these moments, right? And it's like you're creating a kind of an improvised moment or you have a prop. So I was doing that like when I was a very little kid. And so I did one that was based on one-on-one, the Robbie Benson movie. And some sort of combination of one-on-one and Rocky. Right. So it was like maybe I had a basketball, and then I made myself an egg. But instead of an egg, I used orange juice.

And then I slugged it down. And, you know, there you go. Give me a quarter, Dad. Yeah. Let's go to your house for the weekend. And then over time, as time went on, I joined acting classes. I was in plays. And then I became really interested in making films.

I used to shoot all these super great films and then video when video cameras became available and editing them just for my own sort of pleasure. And that's sort of what I figured I'd be doing. But I have,

I have, I don't, I, my interest wasn't, I guess, in directing other people's work and I have,

I very rarely write and so every, seems like, so what I was getting at Why don't you write? I have, I don't know, you know, I have, I very rarely write. And so every, it seems like, so what I was getting at- Why don't you write? I have, I don't know, you know, I do, but I sort of have this thing where, you know, I guess if I'm gonna make a film,

I guess I feel like it has to be sort of an all or nothing deal. I've never been somebody who could, well, arguably I have some version, I don't know if it's ADD or whatever, but like it's an all encompassing I mean you have to

set aside you get anxiety about finishing well yeah but the thing of it is is that if I do something I have to finish it so in other words I've written four scripts from beginning to end three of them I made in the movies the last one last year which one is that? this film that I'm driving

from here to the sound mix of called no way jose so that's the first film since i love your work that i that i wrote and directed um but yeah i don't know it's it's not and you're in it and i'm in it this one i'm in yeah i'm not what's it about it's about it's a very thinly veiled version of what would have happened if ma if roxanne had kicked me to the curb and i had to go live with these married friends of mine and they're friends of mine who some are actors some are not and they're all in it and it's kind of you know a bit of the cassavetes thing where it's my sort of group of people but they're not necessarily anybody that you you know would have

heard of whereas i love your work was sort of peppered with was actually derided quite a bit for how many how cool the cast was you know right it was sort of aed with, was actually derided quite a bit for how many, how cool the cast was, you know? Right, right. It was sort of a no-win situation. Could we get one, you know, the financier? Could we get one more? How's Vince Vaughn?

Yeah, but one more. Really? Vince Vaughn? Okay. And then in every review, it's all this derision about how many recognizable people are in the movie. Like, every fucking movie isn't like that. But anyway, so of course this time it was like,

can I get money for the movie? Well, do you have? No, and I'm not going to because I'm not going to go down that road. And so this is a much smaller, even smaller than the last movie. But you were able to,

the budget was- We cobbled the financing together and it's very small. And you played some slightly heightened version of yourself? Yeah, it's a kind of a, it's me,

it's a version of me if i were a little more mexican um in it i'm one-eighth mexican in reality i believe i'm something like 164th mexican okay so it's a it's a guy who's a kind of a washed up indie rocker uh who now plays children's birthday parties with his band called the borges um and uh his fiance you know and he's he's finally going to get And he's finally going to get married. He's finally going to, and he's about to turn 40, and he's going to commit, and all signs point to sort of him having maybe not a perfect life, but a life with someone who balances him. He's the crazy neurotic one.

She's more stable, you know. But she discovers something about him. Okay. And she kicks him out of the house because it's sort of a deal breaker and you know

then it's and then he sort of decides that it was for the best well yeah I'm better off alone I'm better off sleeping you know I'm a guy

who's supposed to be on somebody's couch right so it's sort of that struggle that's good yeah I mean it may not be good

I mean you don't know it could be terrible what did you cut it already oh yeah I mean I mean there's nothing I can. How do you feel about it? It could be terrible. What, did you cut it already? Oh, yeah. I mean, there's nothing I can do about it now. It is what it is. Right now, I hate it.

I think it's the worst thing, like, honestly, ever, ever made. Not that I've made. You're really selling it. I'm sure everyone's very excited. It's just horrible. Well, where did it start? How did you end up in, like, what was your first movie? Mr. Saturday Night?

Yeah, strictly speaking. I always say Days of Confused was because, you know, I was in it more. But, yeah, technically the first movie job I ever got was Mr. Saturday Night. I thought it was all going to change. Oh, I remember. I remember when I got that call. I was like, remember in The Jerk? Yeah.

When he ends up in the phone book? Things are going to start happening now. So how old were you when he did that? Well, I guess I was 20, about 20, 21. I don't remember what you played. I don't know what I played either. It was cut down to, I don't even think I speak in it. I played Julie Warner's little brother.

But how'd you get involved? I played Billy Crystal's nephew-in-law. But how'd you make the jump? You got an agent? What happened? Right. So I went to school in New York, or upstate New York.

I went to Sarah Lawrence for a year. I dropped out my girlfriend, the girl I lost my virginity to. How did that go? Oh my god. Quick? So quick that I'm not sure that I lost it that night.

It may have been later on. Do you know what I mean? Not quite. I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't even know if I was in there or not. You know what I mean? It was minus time. It's exciting that first time.

I guess so. I remember I had to trick myself into it was a whole thing. Oh, God. I don't know. Honestly, I think it's too soon. I got to be honest with you. I think I could tell you that story.

Back in five years? Not even five. That's one of those things I could tell you maybe in 20 years. It's just, it's too embarrassing. It's actually too embarrassing. Mine was pretty embarrassing.

Yeah. Yeah. It was quick and it was, I was consumed with panic. Yeah. And it was with an older woman. Yeah.

Not old, old, but she was a waitress at this place I worked in in high school. That's always a coup. I dated a waitress once and I thought it was with an older woman. Yeah. Not old, old, but she was a waitress at this place. I worked in high school. That's always a coup. I dated a waitress once and I thought it was the greatest thing. I couldn't believe I did it. You did it. Yeah.

And it was very quick and I immediately assumed that she was disappointed. Yeah. And that stayed with me. Right. To this day. To this day. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

I think they're disappointed. I think it's safe to assume that they're all disappointed. They're all disappointed. Yeah, I think so. To this day. Yeah, oh yeah. I think they're disappointed. I think it's safe to assume that they're all disappointed. They're all disappointed. Yeah, I think so. I think so. I mean, wouldn't you though, if you were being heaved over in a pond by- For seconds? Yeah, right.

Like, oh, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. Yeah. So when she dumped me, I was like, I'm going to join an acting class and I'm going to- Learn how to fuck. I'm going to learn how to fuck. I'm going to learn how to fuck. I know. I'm going to get a girlfriend.

I'm going to get an agent. That's what happened. Right. I got a girlfriend and an agent. But I mean, it was a weird coincidence where this guy who was in my acting class who interviewed the people to get into the acting club, to get to interview the prospective students became an agent. It was a total fluke.

And yeah, whatever success and it's's moderate you've done a lot of mild whatever whatever it is i it's always been just yeah that yeah a little but you're good you're a recognizable thing and like it's weird i'm fine i'm fine i'm okay you don't have to get defensive but i mean i'm i'm yeah but get the job done but it's funny you served a purpose that you know there there's only room for a couple nutty jews you served a permit what is my eulogy uh he served a purpose no but you you know what i mean is that you filled a there's a place yeah yeah i mean here's the thing i mean I never saw like I never even you know

like the Jewish thing right so I as self aware as I was and as much as like for instance growing up I was a gigantic

Woody Allen fan right a huge Woody Allen fan sure in fact had to be it was well it was those films

that made me feel in fact I had panic attack I had a panic attack watching Hannah and Her Sisters while he was having while he was having a panic attack I had to leave the theater luckily I lived three blocks away i walked home and went

and saw it again the next day um but so he was always a source of real actual like comfort for me yeah me too yeah but um but as an actor i thought of myself as this very and i still do actually i mean and i feel like every once in a while, like I'll do something like this Fargo TV show where people see, I was like, yeah, oh yeah, he's actually like a well-rounded actor. Right.

And that's, but that's how I thought of myself. I thought of myself as like an angry young man guy. I mean, I was like, that's the shit I was doing in plays. I was doing, or in acting class. Yeah. I wasn't, yeah, maybe there was some funny stuff or some neurotic stuff, you know,

and definitely if I directed anything in those acting classes, it would always steer towards that. But it's weird, just as you're talking about this, because I was that way too, but in life and in comedy or whatever, as a performer, but I don't think what we see. No, it's not what they see.

No, like I was always angry too, but no one was ever convinced that I was anything but this Jewish guy. Right. With some problems. Right. But isn't that, I find that incredibly, I find that sad. I don't know if it's sad. It's just like, you're not going to, you know, I'm not going to be like. Sure. Yeah. I don't know if it's sad. It's just like, you're not going to, you know, I'm not going to be like, um, yeah, you know,

my, my anger as menacing as it may be is still not, I don't know. There's the angry young man thing is, uh, it's outward. I think that like when your anger is, is more towards you or right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah. It's true. Yeah. I guess that's Right, right, right. Right, right, right, right. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, I guess that's true. You're right.

The one thing, I missed the part about you're supposed to be angry at the world. And just... Right. Yeah. Something.

That's more like the angry young Jew. Yeah. Right. I don't know... Fuck this colon. God, this colon has betrayed me.

Well, just say like... And it's true. I did stand up three times in my. God, this colon has betrayed me. Well, just like... And it's true. I did stand up three times in my life, right? When I was 19. Oh, you tried it? Oh, yeah. Thankfully. Didn't stick?

No. Thankfully and for the good of the world, abandoned it. But I mean, my whole shtick, it was just... And I think it was more that I was doing a shtick about what... I was trying to bottle the version of myself. I think that you think, or think that you're saying that people are gonna perceive anyway. So it was hyper bottled.

So it was about my colonoscopy and it was about my, it was about masturbating. But then I was like, you know, I don't have anything to add to the worlds of, of those, of those dialogues. IBS comedy and masturbation comedy, you know. Do you have IBS? Oh, horrible.

Really? Horrible. For real? Oh, no, yeah, no, for real. Look, that's the thing, is as much Am I BS? Oh, horrible. Really? Horrible. For real? Oh, no, yeah. No, for real. Look, that's the thing, is as much as I want to fight the stereotype,

but my argument is that I inherited this shit from my mother, the non-Jewish one. This is where I get... Yeah, but I don't believe necessarily in the stereotype. I mean, it's weird. I think we're informed how we're informed. And sadly, you know, if Woody Allen is one of your qualifiers, I'm going to use some sort of recovery word, that if he's the guy that spoke to you, it's hard not to.

Sure, but to me, I had him, and then I also was obsessed with Brando and James Dean and David Lynch. Yeah, me too, but you're never going to be that guy. Well, no, of course not, but I think that. It's interesting. Those are the guys. So. Well, no, of course not. But I think that... It's interesting. Those are the guys. So Brando, David Lynch, Woody Allen. Now I'm going off the top of my head.

No, but I like it impulsively because you brought a camera here. You're in your house making 12-hour loops. There is the artistic life. Well, right. I guess that's the thing about talking about acting. I think there are people that... I always feel fraudulent talking about it.

Well, actors, I think actors in general, when they're forced to talk, unless they're... It's not that. I know what you mean. I think that, I just feel like it was a passion of mine. You can't help but be you. See, some actors, they're sort of empty vessels in a way. Exactly. And so, like, whatever you were going to do, it was going to be hard for you not to be typecast in a way. Yeah, I think. But here was my thing is I always had something to say. And so I wanted to say it in whatever it was that I was acting in.

it was that I was acting in. I realized years later that that was, as an actor, became less and less interesting to me. And then I would say, okay, if you have something to say, say it with music. Right. Say it with writing. Say it with art. Say it with- As an actor, just do what the director tells you.

Yeah, or find something or make a point of trying to find something where you get to act, you get to be somebody's instrument. But having said that, and there's something that's really exciting about when that happens. I mean, but that's not a full life for me. No, I get it. I envy those people. Actually, I don't. I think it's actually, I think for those people who are more or less empty vessels,

who need to be filled up by other people's words. Maybe empty is the wrong word I want to use, because there's a lot of actors that when you talk to them, they're relatively flat. But I don't necessarily mean that they're dim. Obviously, they're emotionally loaded up. And if they're directed the right way or allowed to do the work, they can. No, I think that I think the greatest actors are generally. I mean, not always.

I mean, you know, listen to me like Peter O'Toole speak. He's going to be more eloquent. But I mean, a lot of actors aren't very articulate. Right. Because they are, in fact, like a saxophone. Right. And until somebody picks them up and plays them. Right.

They're the world's greatest fucking saxophone. Right. I will never be that. Right. You know. But also you want to do your own thing too right but it became less of a priority also but ironically the less of a priority it became i also think i became a better actor the things that i'm let's say known for let's say something like saving private ryan i think is not a great performance like they're why um because i'm i the performances got better

the less the lower the stakes. Some of my better performances you'll never see because they weren't in some high stakes situation like that. But what was it like to do that? I mean, that movie was a pretty big break for you. Yeah, it was. And then you sort of go back and then things sort of go back to normal. No, I know that. But it's still the event itself.

You traveled. Oh, yeah. No, the flight was fucking horrible. The flight was horrible. I didn't know that we were going to make it there was a horrible flight but and also the you know that scene you know as a jew and i think as anybody you know where where you're killed by that nazi is is so profound is is arguably the most disturbing scene in that movie and and the most compelling and the most weirdly erotic it's fucked up yeah it's a fucked up scene in that movie and and the most compelling and the most weirdly erotic it's fucked up yeah it's a fucked up scene no that we'll see that and and that and there is an example of

something where i think oh that is good because it's visceral and it felt honest and there was no and yeah there were lots of discussions about how we were going to do it and yes there were discussions about how it was going to be hyper real and how we were going to talk and how i really wanted this you know whatever it was but once we were doing it, I always found that with physical, any kind of physical scene, you know, that you stop, it turns off the fucking voice in your head or it turns off the director or the editor. That was something else. I had just made my first film.

I was editing it for like a year when I went to do Saving Private Ryan. So I kept finding myself giving them shit because I knew that, you know, if you're lying in a gut, if you're lying in a scene, you know, there's a scene where Vin Diesel's killed and that's a 12 hour day, right? So you're just sitting there as rain is pissing on you and you have three lines

and you say them 15 different times in the camera, but you know that you have your closeup. And it was very, you know, it was kind of extemporaneously as he shot that in many ways because he didn't storyboard and sort of, it was clear when this was your shot. And I remember very specifically

giving him lots to work with in the editing room. But I also remember not being in the moment at all because I thought I'll give them this look and then I'll give them that look. Then I'll give them this look and that look and I'll have a lot to choose from when this guy, this buddy of mine's dying. But that, and I'll still do that to this day.

I think it's, sometimes it's a very practical way and I think that probably people appreciate that. Because they're not getting one take, they're actually getting several takes. But that's something, that's just being a professional on some level. If you're thinking about your close-up and it's like a 15 second, 10 second thing.

It's true, that's true. And that's not an unreasonable way to think of it, but when that Nazi is on top 10 second thing it's true that's true and you know that's not an unreasonable way to think of it but when that nazi is on top of you right well that's the that no that was great i remember that i remember walking away i was like this is the greatest day i've ever had no i mean it really was the greatest day i ever had up until that point in my life the only other greatest day was in days and confused when i got my ass kicked yeah i mean what why why are these there i mean they're so cathartic it gets get you out of your head. Oh, so out of your head. So out of your head.

Yeah. It's so great. Yeah. And then you start crying, and you didn't plan to do it. Because there was another day where Stephen said, at lunch, he walks by me, he goes, you know when you find that thing, and you say that's going to be a Shabbat holocaust or whatever, you find that Hitler Youth knife, he goes, cry. And he's walking by me at lunchtime. And I'm like, fucking Christ. So we barely shot anything by this point. So Steven Spielberg he goes, cry. And he's walking by me at lunchtime.

And I'm like, fucking Christ. So we barely shot anything by this point. So Steven Spielberg just says, cry. And then what flashes through your mind is every weeping scene in every Steven Spielberg movie ever. And how good those tears were. And how thick they were. And how rich.

And I'm sitting there. And I can't fucking. I mean, they're blowing fucking menthol into my eye. I mean, they're like, I'm thinking of everybody I know fucking dying. I mean, certainly the collective unconscious thing of the Jew is no longer, I mean, that's just meaningless to me at this point.

And I'm like, well, I know how to fucking shake a lot. I know how to shake like crazy. And I remember his daughter, Jessica, was like, well, I know how to fucking shake a lot. I know how to shake like crazy. And I remember his daughter, Jessica, was like, that was great. And I was like, okay. I have no idea whether it was great or not, but his daughter thought it was cool. It's just like everybody was gathered by the monitor.

Like it was like a family fucking affair. Let's see if the Jew can cry. Did you do it? I mean, you know, it's in the movie. You make the call. You can see it. But then that day, that real, you know, that day with the German, that was heaven. Heaven on Earth, Mark. That was crazy.

Yeah, that was really nice. It's a crazy, disturbing scene for anybody. Yeah. So, all right. You want to take another picture? Yeah, but just, you know, ignore me. I'm talking to you. Yeah, it's fine.

All right, so. Yeah, you're really getting away with this. You're really good at this. I have no idea what's happening. All right. So now, are you going to marry this girl that you're? Oh, well, no, we're not. No, we don't need to be married.

I mean, you know. Okay. I mean, you know, that's a whole other. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know that's that you know that's uh that's a whole other yeah i know yeah i know it's why i said no i mean i i mean we that's possible we could get married i mean obviously we've made some sort of you know decision to not because we're you know we've been together a long time right you know um i i have a problem i mean but it's not it's not again it's not breaking ground here

I have a problem with the institution sure but you know it's a very it's a very strange thing to me I mean

yeah it's a you've been married yeah a couple times right are you ever going to get married again

I probably would I'm very cynical about the whole relationship undertaking right now just relationships in general yeah right yeah i mean i seem to have botched it somewhat you know like i i don't have any kids i've been married twice and now i'm fucking 50 and people are like well you can still have a kid i'm like i don't know man like i i would just like to you know relax right no. Right. No, I, listen, I, yeah. I mean, I. No, I, listen, I have had to fight the urge to be a, you know, a totally solitary person.

Yeah, I don't, I guess, yeah, I don't know if I'd be good at that, because I don't mind living with people. I like seeing someone there, you know. Well, that's the other thing. I mean, I, right. I mean, I love Roxanne very much it seems totally bizarre it would seem totally bizarre to not be with her but but i i also think i happen to have found somebody who understands that you know if who just understands that i have a very peculiar schedule, both emotionally and quite literally, you know?

And that's not, not everybody could be with somebody like that, nor could I be with somebody. I've been with people, I think, who are probably more similar in temperament, and that's just not attainable. No, it's quite drama time. Big, big time, yeah. Although I think that it also was a way for me to escape my own.

I think one of the reasons I sort of woke up one day and was like, oh, shit, I'm actually the one with the problem. And I've been hiding behind these other women's problems. hiding behind these other women's problems because it's easy to say like well i picked her off the you know i picked her up off the floor because she passed out drunk or whatever and brought her to bed you know three times last month i must be the more functional one i must be the healthier one right you know i must be the lifesaver whatever it is and it was like um or she's screaming at me because you know for two hours in french because my dog shit in her yard well she's a fucking psycho i need to help this girl uh deal with this yeah but really it's like no no that's just her and you can choose to be there or not that's true and and you you know and i and i was sort of not dealing with my own

shit my own my own you know craziness because it was it was a lot easier to you know sort of play this role of the caretaker that's the ironic thing you were saying can you be a caretaker yeah in fact probably to a fault yeah i i get that too but it's like it is a way of distracting from your problems and then also you know you do it it's not done out of some weird nurturing instinct it's literally done to to hold on to somebody oh yeah yeah you know so it's not like you know i do it because i care it's i i do it because i want to please this person yeah and i'm insecure and then when you think the problem with that is it's completely relative to the job you think you're doing like if you know they get if they have a bad day you're like how i've done that look what i've done for you right and you're still gonna act like this it's just always gonna lead to that

fucking thing well the other thing is is that if they actually got as healthy as you were i think somewhat like kind of pretending that you wanted them to be yeah they're out of there. Yeah, I don't know, man. It's like, it's a fucking disaster. I don't know. You can be in situations where you're with somebody who's so healthy that you don't even realize, like, can people be too healthy? I mean, this is something I think.

Well, you know, the point of reference to that for me, like always, it's not a matter of healthy, but the real, the most horrifying thing is it's not a matter of healthy but the real the most horrifying thing is it's the scene in the kitchen in Annie Hall

with the lobsters with the first the second woman second woman yeah it's a lobster oh it's horrifying that's horrifying that's a horror show

that's a horror show I mean you've been in that situation that's the worst it's just awful it's just awful what It's just awful. Yeah, I know. I don't understand.

Is that a joke? I just watched it again the other day. It's funny, I almost tweeted last night. Yeah. But I didn't because then I was, first of all, I literally couldn't get it in under 140, so I gave up. But also, I was like, eh,

it's happened that I've been eating next to somebody and then they've tweeted about it so like if i tweet this but i was basically in the marshall mcluhan scene last night except it was with like right right wingy hipsters was of strength i couldn't that's why i couldn't formulate it into a tweet it was too nuanced right but i had but i wanted to bring out marshall mcluhan right but But I couldn't do it. And it was a guy not oppressing a girl but his Australian friend

about American politics and speaking in very black and white terms about there not being climate change and about the exchange for what was the guy's name that we got,

we exchanged for the Guantanamo prisoners, the POW. Yeah, yeah. But he said, in very black and white terms, he was saying, so this guy left his base and joined Al-Qaeda, but he just said it in those terms.

That was it. That was the end of the conversation. No nuance. And I'm sitting there like, well, it's, I don't know that that's, and it's just, and he didn't stop. He did not let, finally we heard the Australian guy speak

after about an hour and a fucking half. Meanwhile, your dinner, you're not having any conversation. No, we're having no conversation. You're with Roxanne? Yeah, we're with Roxanne. And she'll say something, and I'll just, I can't. I just said, help me formulate this fucking tweet, because it's the only way we're going to get out of here.

The world has to know. Yeah, right. The world, the 13,000 fucking.1 people have to know. So you're not having any problem working? No. You mean like employment-wise? Yeah. Not so bad.

No, not pretty good. I mean, like, I did, you know, I did this Fargo thing, which was like more- People liked it. They did like it. And that was something, you know, that I was like like it's rare you do something and and you like it and then other people like it so that was nice and then i did this this pilot for jim gaff again which you know for cbs do you know you know jim sure yeah this is the second pilot right and then so now we're doing it after you know a lot of negotiating and sort of back and forth. TV Land, sort of slask, but basically TV Land picked it up.

And so now that's what I'm going to go do next year. Gaffigan's show? Yeah. TV Land? Listen, I could have a whole, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. It's a little bizarre, isn't it?

Yeah. So the one that- They're airing it on TV Land, and then I guess the same week they're going to air it on Comedy Central because everything's owned by... Viacom. But you liked it?

It was a good script? Yeah, but I just had a really nice time. He's a great guy. He's a very funny guy. I just like them. She's nice, yeah. It's a good... And what do you play, his friend?

Yeah, I play some guy. I think that it was initially like based when they first wrote it on uh on on david tell i was just gonna say that yeah but yeah but now it's just me as his friend right basically um and uh but yeah new york stand-up yeah comedian you're supposed to be a new york stand-up comedian yeah you think i can handle it yeah no yeah yeah sure you can be a tell i'd be probably you're more talkative than a tell i mean yeah well anyway well that's good so yeah so i do that next year but how many are you gonna do i think it's just 10 it's just that's the thing that's kind of nice about it it's like i just go and it's like three months in new york right. That's it. And knock it out. That's that, yeah. I mean, and then, you know,

if it goes, keeps going, then fine. But I like them a lot. I like Jim and Jeannie. So that's... Yeah, he's a funny guy. Yeah, he's a good guy. In movies? And so I made this, you know... My career's funny.

It's like, you know, I just got something. You know, like the BBC just offered me something. But I'm not going to do it because it's a lot of flying and it's not enough money. But then if I audition for something, it's usually down between me and another guy. And usually the other guy gets it. I haven't gotten a role I've auditioned for in like 10 years.

Really? Pretty much anything you've seen me in, it's been offered. And what you haven't seen me in, I've auditioned for it. So all those things, every time you see a movie and I'm not in it. Are a lot of your friends actors? No anymore not anymore no back when you were a kid though running around basically yeah yeah basically in my 20s it's interesting because there's a whole crew around your age that like everyone kind of grew up and just went their ways i mean you know there's all these guys there's kind of you, you know, when we did Days Unconfused,

I mean, that was definitely like a crew. Yeah. Sort of born out of that a little bit. And yeah, most of my friends are, I mean, you know, they're either, maybe they're musicians or maybe they're writers. Right. Or, you know, creative people, for sure.

But you're doing good. Yeah, I'm fine, I'm doing fine. I mean, the thing, you know, creative people, for sure. But you're doing good. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm doing fine. I mean, the thing, you know, the thing is, you know, you make a film

and it's a very consuming, you know, I wrote this film over a period of a few years. So I wrote it while I was doing a TV series in New York and I wrote it

while I, you know, once I got back and then, you know, literally June or something of last year, I said,

I'm going to make this movie and it was just, and I'm going to make it this year and period. And, um, and so, you know, we went into production, you know, got it together and went into production in October. So since October, so the entire time I was doing Fargo, I was editing the movie in my hotel room. Um, and, um, you know, I've been working on that pretty much nonstop. So now we're in the sound mix. So yeah,, I mean, so that's the thing. Are you doing all the music? Well, I play a musician in it.

So the songs that they play, I wrote. And then I had to do some incidental shit. So I had to pretend, like, in the background, there's some mariachi shit stuff. So I posed as a mariachi musician. But to answer your question, no, there's a lot of source tracks in it. So it's a lot of, like's not it's not scored conventionally it's like if someone's playing a song on the radio then we hear it do you have a title for the uh

movie no way jose oh did you already say that maybe not well that's good man and the and fear of flying really factors in for you as to whether or not you're gonna take a gig well like this gig why are you so afraid what do you think's gonna going to happen? It's going to crash? Yeah, I think it's going to crash. I mean... I mean, I have a two, but I've had to... I just live with it. Well, I live with a two, but I mean... Once I'm up, I'm okay.

It's only takeoff. No, that's... Funny as I'm not... I mean, yeah, I should be more terrified at takeoff and landing. Landing, I'm great. I'm like, I can see the ground. I had a flight so bad, Mark. I had a few weeks ago that you cannot fucking

believe it no you can't believe it was me on this flight no i mean this as yes landing yeah because they landed in a fucking windstorm that i heard was knocking over like telephone poles and things like that they shouldn't have been flying in that weather do you know they're built to fly yeah but let me tell you something they delayed this flight for a couple of hours and i look at the weather there i was like oh it's because there's terrible thunderstorms in new york and then all of a sudden so now we're we're on the runway and he's like it's going to be another two hours and part of me is like fuck another part of me is like good yeah good they do this right safe then all of a sudden he gets kind

of giddy the pilot and goes hey we gotta and he says something i don't know what it means it's a technical term we gotta blah blah blah but i guess I interpreted it to mean like a window. Yeah. So we're heading out. And I quickly checked the weather in New York. No, it's still horrible, horrible thunderstorms. So about 20 minutes before we land, he comes on and he's, he doesn't come on because he doesn't have the balls to. He makes the flight attendant do it.

Yeah. He makes the flight attendant come on and say, so we're going to prepare for landing a little early the captain has informed us that there was going to be some very bad now you never really hear it this way some very bad turbulence because of the weather so now I'm just

terrified and I made some bizarre decision the prior weekend to watch every airport movie in succession so Friday and Saturday night and the weekend before I left I watched them all. Why? And look, it wasn't because one was on and I was like, you know what?

The first one, they're actually not, the early one, you know. Pretty good. Yeah, not bad. And it's a funny cast and the time period's funny and, you know, it's just,

and then I was like, I was like, fucking what? I gotta get through these. Like I never really watched them. I was a huge airplane fan, but which I'd seen a hundred times. But it occurred to me, I wasn't getting half the jokes, I realize now. So I went all the way through the fucking Concord one, which is one of the worst movies I've just ever seen. And I'm thinking, it's so absurd.

There's no way this is going to have any actual effect on my psyche because it's too cartoonish. No, how could it? You're already afraid of flying. Right, exactly. Why would you see a plane crash movie? It's redundant. It's chicken with chicken sauce. But as it turns out, I think it did have an effect on me. Yeah. And because there's a lot of stuff that's weather related, you know? So you were just maybe trying to knock out the fear by watching fictionalized versions of plane crashes? Yeah, maybe, yeah maybe maybe yeah some sort of like a version therapy right yeah so anyway I we

start to land and I'm telling I mean I'm telling you I'm telling you I've never seen wings and it's I don't give a shit how far they can bend I know that what were you

doing to the person next to you well guess what what slightly grazing his hand slightly grazing his hand and then I later find out that he's with the woman in front of

him for some reason they didn't sit together and she goes was that not the worst i'm not alone in this i saw i looked on twitter okay yeah so the woman in front of me said to him was that not the worst flight you've ever been on he's like no i've been through worse but let me tell you something yeah this guy's hand was like mine didn't eat was in his lap the whole time and like mine was on the little console next to mine gripping not gripping but a hand there. And a little grazing was going on between the two of us. Just like a little human touch. Were you making sounds? Like, oh God.

Yeah. Big ones. Because I thought also, and that's when you know you're really scared. I've done that. Because I like to think I'm pretty fucking cool. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I wear my sunglasses

and I got my fucking hoodie on, you know. And I'm all high on pills on you know and i'm all high on pills yeah you know and i'm like oh god oh my god and those these sounds are coming out of you that you can't believe and i go jesus christ this is like a bit i used to do really yeah because i had the same flight in cleveland flying into a cleveland like uh like uh like the the line that i i'm very proud of it said, you don't decide your scream. Yeah, right. Yeah.

Who's that guy? You don't know what's going to come out. That's right. Maybe you have an idea because you got scared by a spider or something. But you don't really know what you sound like scared. Oh, my God. Well, yeah. But my joke is like, and the guy behind me was literally screaming. Oh, my God.

It was that bad, a flight. Right. And I say that i'm i'm proud to report that what came out of me when i was uh terrified to the core of my being was oh come on yes i've done that come on that's what i said are you fucking kidding me yes i go come on yeah because no i have no but that's the thing and and it is interesting because you start to realize that there is this correlation between rage and anxiety because I get super mad

and when my girlfriend's there unfortunately dump it on her well I just go I go this is fucking ridiculous and we're never fucking doing this again yeah

and I mean it or I think I mean it yeah I go and when I got off the plane I texted her never fucking again like it was her fault

dog watching in Los Angeles, pregnant. Yeah, yeah. That I almost died on this flight. Right, right, right. But I, you know, I will tell you that as we landed,

the plane dipped like this. Yeah. For those who are listening, that's about a 45 degree angle, I guess. Yeah, yeah. And then he just into the ground. Yeah. So as soon as it got it all.

But I've never been that low to the ground where it's doing that. I know it's just concern. All right. Well, you say it like it's. But yeah, I mean, I've had a couple of bad flights. I don't think he should have been flying, but it's not him. It's not his decision. It's air traffic control.

So that's I decided it's not that I don't trust the pilot. I don't trust air traffic control. That's why I don't trust because they want to get your ass on the ground. Let's face it. They gotta keep it going, sure. They gotta keep it going. It's a fucking business. That's right.

All right, well, that doesn't sound like a comforting way to look at it. It doesn't sound like it's gonna help. No, it's not gonna help. I was thinking about going to flight school, I guess.

Oh, you're gonna fly yourself. Or whatever, not actually, but in a simulator, I hear that helps. A lot of people are, you know, chartering planes. It's expensive. Oh, no, those go down.

No, those are the ones that actually go down. Oh, they are? Oh, for sure. Do you want to play music or no? Well, sure, what would we do? I mean, like, I mean, I don't know what to... What? I don't know what I would play.

We brought all this shit over. Yeah, you said to bring it. You were insistent upon it. You ashamed me over a social network. I had to bring it. Okay. Alright, well let's... Doesn't mean I won't plug it in. We're gonna plug it in. We can make some sounds. Thank you. guitar solo Thank you. අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි අපි What's that? I fucked a the loop up.

That sounded good, though. I think that we can safely assume that people might meditate to that. They could, yeah, except for there was a lot of clams on my part in there. Lots of clams. Yeah, well, I mean, I think... Clam Central. I think that should be the title of the new record. Clam Central?

Clam Central. I think it's the name of my memoirs. I think we did good, man. Yeah. You feel good about anything? Yeah, I feel good. Congratulations. Central. I think that's the name of my memoirs. I think we did good, man. Yeah. You feel good about anything? Yeah, I feel good, congratulations. On? I'm getting through it.

Getting through it, man, getting through it. I just wanted, I think at the beginning of this, to feel what those people in Europe felt. Yeah, you felt it. No, I mean, oh, you don't know. Yeah. Then we'll have to cover that next time. Mm-hmm.

You good? Yeah, I'm good. Wow. Right? So we tried some stuff. We got out there a little bit. Adam Goldberg, what's happening? That's my show.

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