WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 595 - Rose Byrne / Kevin Pollak

Episode Date: April 19, 2015

Rose Byrne is everywhere. With two new movies coming out, Adult Beginners and Spy, and a laundry list of big hits in recent years, she still had some time to chat with Marc about her journey from Australia to Hollywood and all the stops along the way. Also, WTF friend Kevin Pollak is back with a debrief about his new documentary Misery Loves Comedy, which happens to feature Marc. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Alright, let's do this. How are you, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears?, what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fuckadelics? What the fucksters? How's it going? This is Mark Maron.

This is WTF. I'm in a hotel room. I'm in my hotel room studio at the Westin at the Detroit airport. I don't think I'm ever going to get into the actual city of Detroit. I don't think I'm ever going to get into the actual city of Detroit. I've been here three times in the past several years for one night gigs that just don't afford me the time to get in. This is Saturday. I'm recording this.

It's Monday. You're hearing it. I'm here to do the Royal Oak Music Theater. Let's just say it went great. Why not? Let's just say it went great. I just need to get this done because I'm traveling. It's been great. By the way, Rose Byrne is on the show today and also we've got a little chat with Kevin Pollack about his new movie, this documentary

he made, Misery Loves Company. It's out. It's available on VOD and iTunes. It's going to open in select theaters April 4th. I'm in it. Many comedians are in it. So, okay. This tour has been awesome. All right. I was in Madison the other night. And the interesting thing, I don't really want to toot my own horn, but the show's good. I'm entertaining. I'm in good spirits. I'm funny. But every once in a while, I'll just catch a pocket up on stage where things happen that just will never happen again. And Madison got that show. Now, I know there's more in me because I'm pretty wide open.

And if there's warmth and if there's a good sort of flow between me and the audience i you know i want nothing more than to make something happen that's never happened before it's it's it's the best and right now i'm about i'm about neck deep in that new uh richard prior biography by scott saul uh which is amazing and you know reading about prior and then having this opportunity go out and do these long sets and sort of push the envelope and you know with with with prior in mind and you know really sort of reading the anatomy or learning about the anatomy of of his process from very early on like this is the first time i've ever done a theater tour, you know, where we're doing places that seat around a thousand. Some places are bigger. I'm in Madison at the Barrymore Theater, sold the place out. And it

was just one of those nights. I can't even account for why it happens, but I did almost two hours. Well, you know, before I got on, the guy who runs the place was talking to me about people have been through. He says, you know, Chris the place was talking to me about people who've been through. He says, you know, Chris Hardwick was just here. And he said the same thing as you. He'd do like an hour, hour and 15. He ended up doing two hours. So I'm like, well, fuck.

If Hardwick's going to do two, I'm going to have to do two. So that wasn't the incentive. Maybe it was the incentive. But there's something about having a perfect sort of exchange of energy with an audience where I was just I just went out there I just pushed things further than I pushed them I pulled things out of the air there was improvisation that you know that surprised me and things happen that'll never happen again and that that's been happening on most of these shows almost all the shows I was out I was out in Pittsburgh and that that place was a

trip the crowd was fucking great and there's something about pennsylvania man it's heavy man it's good there's a in my mind there's a darkness to it i don't know if that's true i don't know but it just i feel a presence of something in pennsylvania in general something i i'll embrace not something something I feel negative about. But there are plenty of dates coming up. Dallas is coming up and we got Houston and Austin and Asheville and Charleston

and San Francisco and Seattle. I know Atlanta. Go to WTFpod.com slash calendar and check out these dates if you want to see the show. I've been hanging around after every show, meet and greeting with everybody who wants to, selling a few posters.

And it's just been great. I'm thrilled to be doing comedy. I'm excited to get out there. It's the first time in my life I've ever really felt like this where the shit is in place and I'm not really second guessing myself and people are having a good time so

that's what's going on that's my little road diary not eating well had my first experience with Red Robin which I could have lived without I could have gone through my whole life without eating a fucking Red Robin hamburger but I did have lived without. I could have gone through my whole life without eating a fucking Red Robin hamburger, but I did. I ate it, and I got on stage in Pittsburgh last night with a belly full of Red Robin.

That was just yelling at me from the inside, screaming at me from the inside. But that added to it. There's nothing like the voices of self-hate in the form of a digesting red robin hamburger to make a performance really fucking sing did i mention we have rose burn on today did i mention that from uh the the new movie adult beginners with the uh with nick kroll who's been on my show a few times t Tis Baby, I believe he produced it.

But Rose Byrne from Damages, you know her. She's going to be in that new movie, Spy, with Melissa McCarthy. She was in Bridesmaids. She was in, you know, a lot of movies. She's from Australia. I'm going to talk to her, too. All right, let's talk to Kevin Pollak back in the garage. Relaxing is wildly overrated, I think.

I just wish I could do it. Is it overrated? Yeah. Yeah. I can detach from the mothership. Yeah. I can detach from the mothership. Yeah. But I don't, at some point, I'd rather feel alive and in the thick of my life and just be more proactive about everything.

Uh-huh. And even if I have to be proactive about relaxing. Yeah. Fine. Yeah. There's still a sense of, I'm doing this, right? Right. And I think that might be the driving factor.

I'm doing this. Yeah. Yeah. I think i'm just i'm full of dread it's an anxiety issue and after watching the movie your movie misery loves comedy there are certain people like that are in that movie with everybody's in that movie that you know i really connect with you know when in in dana you know that when dana gould's talking about the anxiety and the panic and uh you know, I deal with that.

I know that's one of the issues. But unlike him, like, I still think that I need to get to the source and somehow, you know, like reckon with the source. Like, I'm going to go to whatever the, what's the journey to get, I want the ring that's inside of me. I'm going to go into the pit and I'm going to find resolution with that thing that's causing that, with the well. I'm going to plug the anxiety well on my own.

How long do you think you could last once you had the ring before you were anxious about the ring? Like, does someone have a nicer ring? Who's going to come get the ring? Right. Where do I keep this ring now that I have it? Now what?

It's that great moment in the Redford film, The Candidate. I love that. Yeah. Where the last thing, the last moment is now what? You know, it's all been about this journey towards this thing. Sure. Without ever stopping to go ask do i want the thing yeah just i gotta get the thing so yeah um well there's still i think what it comes down to

is it's it's really like uh some version of of that kind of recovery observation is that you know in terms of your character defects and the manifestations of those and how they affect your life uh that's what's relative to the necessity of harnessing it or stopping it or managing it. Like, do I still do behavior? Am I still hurting myself by having this thing? I think I'm at the point now where I, and then listening to your show religiously has driven me to my own realization about, you know what, at the end of it, as well as in it,

it's about being true to yourself. And if suffering wildly with your own shit is being true to yourself, then stop trying to figure it out. Stop trying to cure it. Stop trying to harness it. Right, just accept it harness it yeah it makes you who you are and why this show has become insanely uh friendly to people not just popular but a comfort so yeah if you fix it you're fucked i'm serious and i don't think it's

like someone who gets that's like saying relax you're doomed yeah well i don't think it's like someone who gets- That's like saying, relax, you're doomed. Well, it's not like someone who's fat and who gets work because they're fat in comedy, right? So I don't think it's that syndrome. I think it is the audience, and in the documentary, when you're talking about that moment, we are on stage and the audience is like, this is Marin, he's going to get this. Yeah, yeah. Right? I had to include that. You understand, I had 70 hours of footage to carve a 94-minute, and no narrative, no

story, no script. I had to create a narrative. Yeah, it was interesting because- Which is impossible. It is impossible. But I think that the way you arced and finished it out, I think what it is, it's really the portrait of the comic artist through 70 people, or however many people. 60-something, yeah.

60-something people. Yeah. It got bigger than, do you have to be miserable to be funny? It did. artist through 70 people or however many people 60 something yeah 60 something people yeah it got bigger than do you have to be miserable to be funny that's a lovely little notion yeah of a film but it's really 30 minutes right can't do 94 minutes on right no everything's talked about parenting job work ethic uh a little bit of uh you know evolving as a comic personality, the liabilities of being a comic in the real world. What else is in there? Also, but you're watching people feign off talking about misery while attempting to talk about misery. So that when Jim Gaffigan says,

he turns the question into a joke about annoyance, he's clearly going for the laugh there when in fact not comfortable to talk about. Well,ance yeah he's clearly going for the laugh there when in fact not comfortable to talk about well yeah he's uncomfortable yeah i mean it's more than annoyance and i i think that one of the parts that stood out for me was the moment where james brooks says it's about feeling alienated or whatever he said that that the uncomfortable yeah like that i think that really hits it is that a lot of us are sort of like you know no matter who accepts us at any given point in time we always feel a little outside

yeah you know and i and i thought he was sort of smart about it without being too morose yeah yeah well the the more honest people got about i think one of the things you made me uh think about i don't know if you said the exact words but what you made me think about, I don't know if you said the exact words, but what you made me think about was that our job as performers is to articulate the misery. It isn't so much that we have to be miserable on stage or in front of people. Sure. We have to make it either universal. I think Steve Coogan talked about that. Either make it universal.

Oh, that's happened to all of us. Or make it so personal. The audience doesn't have to worry about can they relate they got the distance they're just empathetic yeah and laughing or this poor this poor guy exactly which is slipping on the banana peel slipping on the banana peel i get i don't get no respect lewis black's hands yes and the fact that we had the baby picture, I don't know if you noticed, in the baby picture, he's doing a Louis Black gesture. Is he really? Yes. Yeah.

Because despite what anyone says about, like, everybody has problems, yes. But not everyone is as emotionally handicapped as people who choose this profession. Sure, there are plumbers who are depressed. Yes. You know, but they don't, you know know they're not like on stage you know fixing a toilet it's about articulating it you know the misery is a universal human condition okay well what was the process of this you know of this uh documentary i know i was in it but jesus how long did it take to put together well um i you know doing one of these shows uh affords us a rolodex

to reach out to famous funny people. Yeah, but also you're an actor. You've been around a long time. Yeah, we've shared trenches, but you also have to have some interview chops to try to get these people to open up. Right. And there's no question the chat show informed all of that. Right.

But the best way to get all those famous funny people in your movie is to not pay them. Right. Right. Honestly. Yeah. If I had to pay any of them, then I'd have to deal with agents and lawyers and managers, and then I'm fucked. Oh, yeah.

Can't ever do it. No. So when we... It was a matter... I got to shoot these four weeks consecutively. Oh, so that was it. Who am I going to get for these four weeks? Right.

You got to get a crew, and you got... You know how it is shooting your show. You have to meet these parameters. Yeah. So whoever was going to be available is who we were going to get. Now, I know you dedicated the film to Robin. Did you interview him? We were on the phone twice for almost an hour each time.

He was shooting the television series at the time. And, you know, 14, 15-hour days. And I had four five-day weeks. And as much as I would like to say, well, let's just bring the crew down and talk to him in his trailer. Five minutes, yeah. It just wasn't physically possible for him, his producers, his production, and mine. Well, when I saw his name at the end, I was like, you know, I wonder, even if you had that footage. Right.

You know, it would be hard to decide. Well, I took out a moment first of all uh whether to put it past while i was editing which is why ultimately i decided to dedicate the film to him and clearly it wasn't something i would have done her if he were alive that's painfully obvious yeah but because he had been such a mentor of mine when i came on the scene in san francisco he had just become a made man but but spent all his time in San Francisco for stand-up. He, of course, would work out at the comedy store. Sure.

But he could not wait to get back to San Francisco and knight a few of us, Slayton and a couple of us that were around at the time. Do the Holy City Zoo? Yeah. And so- I love Slayton. God, he's so good in your fucking movie. Oh.

There's a rawness and a nakedness and a beautiful- But he's okay with himself. That's the thing. One of the reasons I wanted to include him and a couple of others was these people should also be famous to you. Yeah. And if you're a comedy junkie, you know who they are. And if you're not, you don't.

So the flighty nature of fame and success, not based on talent. Yeah. No, it's horrendous. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, well, there's no rules or fairness. I used to have a mantra, Chachi's a millionaire. Yeah. Because this kid, 12 or 14, walked onto a set of a famous sitcom and became on the cover of 17 Magazine.

Yeah. Not based on anything else, talent-wise or anything. And no disrespect to who that person is. Yeah. That's just the way show business works. Right. Yeah. There's no-

It's horrifying. No correct path. No rule book. Yeah. And then that's why now when people talk to me, it's like, look, I don't know. No. I just had- Once in in my life i had good cosmic timing yeah and i was ready to do what was necessary yeah you know things synced up and i was ready for the job but if i may you also began with being proactive right that's where it started you said fuck everyone else and everything else i'm going to do this yeah. And even though you had done that in your stand-up.

Wait, but let's preface that with, what am I going to do? What am I going to do? You've already prefaced it. But I just keep coming back to, that's the only advice I can give. Right. Is don't wait for anyone to figure this out for you. Yeah, they're not your parents. Jump the fuck in.

Yeah, show business is not your mommy. Yeah, put in your 10,000 hours immediately. Yeah. And then talk to me. Yeah, no, but there's so much the fuck in. Yeah. Show business is not your mommy. Yeah. Put in your 10,000 hours immediately. Yeah. And then talk to me. Yeah, no, but there's so much good stuff in the movie. The weird thing, the experience I had with some people, it's like, I don't like listening to this guy talk in person. You know what I'm saying?

Like, you know. No reason to name names. No reason to name names. Yeah. I don't want to hear what this guy is saying about anything. Sure. But, you know, good guy. Sure, sure.

Good guy. So it doesn't matter who it is. Just a terrific guy. I am the same way. I just came from a meeting with some people who foolishly think they'd like me to direct their film. And they started talking casting choices. And they said, what about this guy? And I would like to direct their film.

I don't want to alienate them at this meeting. But I also have to be true to my school, which is difficult for me. I'm too much of a people pleaser, clearly. I mean, my act is nine seconds from Carrot Top in the sense that it's tricks. It's parlor tricks. It's just tricks.

So it took me forever to actually have a voice and say something. Right, but in your defense, you don't accessorize your impressions. That's's right you don't put the hat on you know you know i carried the colombo coat the first nine years of my act from gig to gig you did and actually put it on okay yeah yeah but then i mean this is 30 years ago you let it go i sure do let the coat go and also for the last that's right for the last 10 years or more, I tortured the audience by insisting on doing straight stand-up for the first 20 minutes. Oh, good.

Before they get a single voice. Like classic Pollock stand-up or newer stuff? There's no such thing as newer stuff, is there? You mean the point of view on what's happening in my life? Sure. Yeah, that makes no sense. I'll talk about anything but that. Yeah. I leave that to the professionals.

Sure. And so when meeting with these people and they suggested this actor, I ultimately said, yeah, just not a fan. And it was that same thing you were talking about, which is some people, I don't care if you don't like their face. I don't care if you don't like the way that they keep their chin higher than it needs to be when they speak. There's just something in their essence that I want to set their face on fire.

Yeah. So, yeah, there's those. Sure. This would be the time where I could, like, you know, cleverly reference the people in the movie, like, from a list and act like I don't even have the list. And I could, like, go, like, Stephen Merchant's in it. Dana Gould is in it. Judd Apatow.

Judd Apatow, by the way, I thought was a revelation. No, he was very articulate. James Brooks was in there. Jim Jeffries, Kathleen Madigan, Louis Black, Penn Jillette, Greg Proops. One of the high boys for me was that horrifying picture of Proops back in the day. Yes. Like, what was that? The photos people chose to share with me i could i

could not believe that judd apatow in the clown outfit from his youth that was cute i mean the kids pictures are one thing but that was proofs that like what was he doing yes like he looked like he was uh you know like uh he was in the david bowie entourage yes yeah yes like they were doing a bowie version of the Smothers Brothers. Yeah. But no, but the other one of him solo with the hat on the side. Oh, yep, yep, yep, yep. That was 19, probably 81.

You remember him looking like that. Sure, that was the look. Yeah, you had the- Because then eventually he went with the horn rims and the other thing. I met him in probably 90 when he was doing that already. So you're saying 81. Oh, yeah. He was probably looking like that. Yeah, because by the end of the 80s, he was doing that already so oh so you're saying 81 oh yeah we're looking like that yeah because by the end of the 80s he was well done the other thing we had to lean into greed is good at that point and wear a suit yeah it was still groovy in 81 yeah uh so but who else who am i missing um well there's just so many amy schumer and jimmy norton yeah maria bamford jimmy norton

also wildly naked as he should be with his always truth and uh and also the cinderella pumpkin ona yeah yeah yeah that was also a thing in in post where i was like huh how do i do i let anthony look like a human is that is that the question yes? Yes. Do I allow this nice part of him to shine, given the situation? Yeah. He did. Yeah, funny side, dude. But, I mean, I cut, I edited for, like, almost 10 months because it was a puzzle that I could have done that for five years.

So, so much time had passed that people's lives had changed. Right. Oh, and Christopher Guest. Yeah. And Martin Short. By the way, Martin Short talking about being so bitter he couldn't be happy. That's a side of him I don't know that we've seen. So it was that sort of thing.

It wasn't bitter. It was... Incapable of celebrating somebody's happiness. Jealous. Yeah, jealous. Absolutely jealous. I love that story. Breakdown Corner.

Breakdown Corner. Yeah, yeah. Because I know that feeling. Breakdown corner. Breakdown corner. Yeah. Yeah. Because I know that feeling. Because what you want to do is cry. You'd like to just show up at that party with your successful friends, start weeping and go, why am I not like you? Why can't I be? That's the unfortunate human condition, too, though.

And I think that's why Facebook is a multibillion dollar business. And that's why the thesis for the film grew to children suffer from, hey, look at me disease because they're children. They need attention. Adults clearly suffer from that. That's why Facebook is a multibillion dollar business. You have a page, you're somebody. Yeah. Who fucking chooses that as a career, as a devote your life to a profession that is,

hey, look the fuck at me. Yeah. I mean, i get that but you know i think that like you know outside of this psychology of that it seemed like most people you know have an experience with show business they they they they see like you know some people see a fireman they want to be a fireman you know and those of us for whatever reason you know just think it's amazing that you know you can get on stage and be an entertainer. To begin with, yeah. Yeah.

When you said in the film, forgive me for interrupting, when you said in the film, I saw these guys, comedians, they had something to say. Well, they had something to say, and also they had an angle. They had a point of view, and they could handle things. They had a way of- They could handle things. Right.

You said that. They had a handle on it. Yes. You know what I mean? So great. But that was it. They made life seem doable. Right. Yeah explained it yeah like and it's hilarious and like oh that's what that is oh right exactly you know like so for you it was this or be a professor

it will be a professor right but it was it was i think what appealed to me was the point of view like you know like who the hell am i yeah what do i think about things and they like comedians good ones they definitely know those two things. Yes. Yes. I had only one teacher all through school who I connected with. And it was because here's what you need to do to shape your mind. Yeah.

Please tell me. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Thank God. Telling me about the history of anything. Just tell me how I'm going to move forward in life. Without disintegrating

yeah and disappearing in every conversation yeah i snuck a few tom hanks yeah yeah tom hanks and larry david tom hanks was great larry david was great i stole those beats those pieces from the chat show obviously the backdrop and both of them was just horrendous that like awful black back oh i didn't really i didn't really notice good um but i had to include them because when i was shooting the film um those interviews came up so i just did the double release form and let them know i'm going to use this in the film and then came to a section within the body of the interview for the chat show where i devoted it to you knew it was kind of line of questions right right right keeping with the film oh right yeah oh and that worked out and getting tom hanks to say 53 years of self-loathing darkness.

That was surprising. Are you kidding me? Loved it. Yeah. And then if you're a comic, the moment after you're like, of course. Absolutely. Yeah, that makes total sense. Yeah, but that he found stand-up to be like crystal meth, you know, when he was gearing up to do Punchline.

I don't acknowledge that anymore. I don't acknowledge the rush of getting the laugh. For me, it's sort of the broader rush of feeling connected. I don't think it's getting the laugh either. I think it's being on stage and literally being in control of the ride for an hour. Yeah. Or whatever the time is. And also being like having that connect, you know like yeah that one mind thing yeah yeah that's attributed to your act and a few other

people's that's not everyone's experience right right um to be able to connect on that level but i do know what you're talking about when it happens there's no greater that's the best yeah that yeah and like recently i've just been like because i've been a little kind of nervous about stand-up and like i keep doing it but like i'm I've been a little kind of nervous about standup and like, I keep doing it, but like, I'm like, Oh Christ,

if I can, what am I going to do? And I got a lot of material, but like lately I've been like, I took some turn like last week. Like, you know, all of a sudden you,

you party, you realize like, I've been doing this my whole life. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not an open miker. What am I worried about? What do you think is going to happen?

I think the dread that you're sensing. It's how I prepare. May be not only true to your school, but I think it also is bigger than that. I think it's also, I know how good this can be. I know those moments when it all clicks and it all works and I make the connection. And the dread of having to get to that place successfully again and the responsibility of that right and the expectations of that that you put on yourself is crazy fueling the dread yeah i try to turn all that shit off and it's naturally happening to me as i age like i can't

keep it all in my head but it's that weird cure-all too when you actually get on the stage you know the old right when you just feel like you know right away whether it's what kind of night it's going to be yeah lately it's like i i have this joke that you know i sort of buried or sometimes i i don't do it and then i i started to realize because i'm doing sets at the store where i just kind of punching it out just trying to you know do tight sets to you know keep that relationship going to work out and i moved this one joke to the open like i was like there was a time man where it all hinged on that opening joke like you know you're gonna you gotta have that strong opening joke and i hadn't really thought about that in a long time you know but in a club situation and a 15 minute set i was like why

don't you put that one up front and then all of a sudden i'm like i know the joke i'm gonna open with and like a lot of times like i didn't i'm like what the fuck am i gonna oh when you do a bigger venue they're giving you the first two or three minutes. Sure. And they're settling in. Yeah. They've paid a babysitter. It's a whole different experience. Right.

And you go into a tight room with 37 people. Yeah. You've got to bang in the first 15 seconds to relax everyone's sphincter. Right. Right. And after the person before you just killed. Yeah. Oh, well.

So the elation of like, wow, that joke works as an opener. I know my opening joke. Yeah. Yes. Yes, I've spent far too much time. Yeah. I mean, I got to the point where I would come up with just a little throwaway as I'm walking out and taking the mic. Right.

It's something as simple as please be seated. Yeah. To a sitting audience just as a way to yeah put everything you know it's just a that moment yeah that moment yeah it's right well lately what i've been doing is i'll take the mic stand and i'll bend down and i'll put my foot literally on the table yeah of the front row and i'll lean down and i'll just say uh i'm gonna bono the fuck out of this set great yeah great and I just hold it. Give him a visual.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The idea that you found an opening joke and it actually resonated, oh my God, this is an opening joke. I remember that. Yeah, I remember like, yeah, you used to want to get right in.

That's the greatest for the rest of mankind. Yeah. That would be the first time you found the hidden Easter egg that no one else could find and you get to do that over and over again but i just like i it'd been a long time since i thought that way yeah you know i'm like i was gonna go out and kind of you know like to to like and it's specifically a club set mentality where you're like i just want to get in oh yeah you probably went away from that purposely i'm not gonna go out there and yeah i don't care like you know but

like at the comedy store it's like and it's packed and it's sort of like do i want to bumble through no you don't you don't and also you're not doing that much time right and they'll shut down on you that room in that or man it's like if you're not hitting it's like they're not going they're not no sympathy there listen this kind of talk hopefully is what the purpose of the film, the documentary was to, if you're a comedy junkie in particular, if you're a comedy nerd, as we love, one of the things written was a master class on what it really means to do this. So at best, I guess that's. That's great. If it's your thing. Well, congratulations.

And I do need to tell you that, like you know what do we okay so how long do you think i talked to you in the garage with that for that interview that you took pieces of for the movie probably a couple hours right oh no just a little over an hour a little over an hour all right well we've talked for 33 minutes i'm looking for a good eight yeah do you think you have it i I'll take 11, but if you need to only make it eight. No, I loved it. I was proud to be part of it. Oh, thanks, man. It really meant a lot to me that you were a part of it,

because I'll be honest with you, there were very few people who, I wanted famous people, of course, and I wanted people who would open up, but very few people I felt like would get to the heart of it for real. but very few people I felt like would get to the heart of it for real. Yeah. And so Kevin Smith and Penn Jillette and you and Judd and Jimmy Norton, and there were just a handful that I knew would really say it. Yeah. So thanks.

Good luck with the whole process. Yeah. Well, it's already succeeded. That's the thing. Yeah. You know, getting in a Sundance and then the Tribeca sale, and then we just sold a foreign. So I win. I'm done. You're done? Go see it. Oh, that's it. Please. You know, getting in a Sundance and then the Tribeca sale, and then we just sold a foreign. So I win.

I'm done. You're done? Go see it. Oh, that's it? Please. So that doesn't matter to you? Well, it matters because you want people to come up to you and say, I saw the thing. It was good.

Yeah, you did a good thing. You did a good job on the thing. The finance here is everybody's happy, and I get to do it again. And that's, you know, those are the victories, right? Well, yeah. Yeah. You keep working. Yeah.

Yeah, you keep working. Yeah. So go check out that movie. All right? Misery loves comedy. Now, what do we got? This is a nice, quiet hotel room. I always wonder if people hear me shouting this shit out in the hallway, if they're like, why is he yelling into the phone like he's on a radio show?

That's part of it, man. It's part of the job. It's like Keith Richards said, it's the job, buddy. It's the job. So occasionally you get these opportunities to interview big movie people. And Rose Byrne is here.

Well, she's in the garage. Well, she was in the garage. We're going to the garage now. Let's enter it that way. Her new film, Adult Beginners, is funny. Bobby Cannavale, is that how you say his name, is in it. He's funny. He's always good.

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It's a good paycheck. Yeah. Never done any cartoons? You've never been? I did one line on American Dad. That was it? They didn't ask me back. No, but yeah, that was it.

It's amazing how it seems so effortless that you can talk with an american accent and thank you but like is it hard like to because like if i tried to speak like an australian or a british person it would take everything i had to focus on that is it the same going the other way sometimes is but it's we grew up in australia with a lot of american television so the vernacular is really familiar sound. Yeah. And I've gotten better at it. Yeah. Well, I think actually lately I've gotten worse.

Really? I don't know why. I just watched a new movie, Adult Beginners. Yeah. I watched it. Oh, great. Sat there and watched the whole thing. Thank you.

Yeah. So I'd have something to talk about. Good. I would love to talk about it. You would? Yeah. See, the dog is sometimes part of the show. Oh, great.

It's not even my dog. We started, right? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're almost done, apparently. We're just about out of time. What sort of dog have you got? It's not my dog.

It's my neighbor's dog. Oh, sorry. So if it becomes a real problem, I'm just going to have to go shut that window. No, but I watched it, and it was very funny. And I noticed that a lot of times that you sort of play a straight person for goofballs. Yes. That's your task. Yeah.

Do you ever want to be the goofball? The goofball. Sure. I mean, I have had roles where, like in this movie, Get Him to the Greek, I played a really obnoxious pop star who was very wild and very, you know, a real narcissist. Yeah. Basically a female version of Russell Brand. Right. Who was so ridiculous and self-absorbed.

Yeah. And same with the one in Bridesmaids. You were sort of like snotty. She was a little more uptight, though. Jackie Q was just wild. Right. Helen was so preoccupied with what people thought of her. But I thought that the Adult Beginners movie was very touching. I'm a grown man with no children.

I kind of blew it. So it hit a lot of buttons with me. And I know Nick Kroll pretty well. He's been on the show a couple of times. Oh, great. So, you know, he's got to be pretty fun to work with.

He is and he produced it and came up with the story and then took it to these writers, Liz Flahive and Jeff Cox. So it's his baby. The whole thing is really very much he's like...

Nick's? Yeah, absolutely. It was his, you know, and he produced it with Mark Duplass and Ross Katz. Duplass. The Duplass brother. Yeah, the. It was his, you know, and he's pre-produced it with Mark Duplass and Ross Katz. Duplass. The Duplass brothers.

Yeah, the kings of Hollywood. Yeah, they had like, we were at South by Southwest. Yeah, with that movie. Yeah, but they had like so many films there. Yeah, I know. They got like a 90 picture deal with Netflix, right? 90 or 100 pictures. I didn't know that.

Not 90, maybe three or six or something. Well, yeah. It's good, though. That's great. No, they're ubiquitous. Yeah, yeah. I think I know what that word means. It sounds right.

Does that mean it's all over? They're everywhere. Everywhere. Yeah, yeah. No, I had Mark in here. Yeah, Mark. I don't know the other one. They have their shit together, which annoys me.

Yeah, people who have their shit together in general, I find disconcerting. Like, I don't understand how they're... You're doing okay. I wouldn't sell yourself short. Well, yeah, I mean, sure, I can do that stuff. You know what I mean? But, like, you know, he's one... Like, the Duplass guys, you look in their eyes, and you're like, they're solid.

You know, like, I don't necessarily think that someone looks in my eyes, and they're like, that's a comforting chap. And you're... So, your real boyfriend was your husband yes my real boyfriend was my Bobby yeah he's he's great I always like seeing him thank you I remember seeing him a long time ago was he maybe in the he was a New York guy right still is a New York guy yep he's maybe in the first season of Louie or did he do Louie's one of Louie's short films yeah he's done a few of the shorts and a few episodes right I remember him back from the shorts. Yeah, cool.

Yeah, yeah. Because I used to live in New York. Uh-huh, uh-huh. Yep, he used to know Louis for a while. Yeah, I remember. So, all right. Now, let's go through the life because it's, you know, Australians kind of fascinate me. I talked to Melanie Linsky.

She's from New Zealand now. Oh, yeah. Oh, I don't know, but I've met her before. Yeah. Yeah, you guys should be friends. They're close. They're just like right. You know, New Zealand and Australia. before. Yeah. Yeah, you guys should be friends. They're close. They're just like... You know, New Zealand and Australia.

Closer than New Zealand and Australia and America. Oh, absolutely. Like in New Zealand, you can kind of go like, I'm going to go to New Zealand for the weekend. Just take a plane, right? Like an hour, right? Two and a half. Two and a half?

Yeah. It's way out there. Yeah. I know. It's like going to Miami from New York. Right. But it's like, did you do that growing up? Did you go to vacation in New Zealand?

I never went to New Zealand for vacation. Ever in your life? No. No, they have sheep and stuff. I know. Exotic wool. Lord of the Rings. Yeah, it's all there.

Peter Jackson, it's always there shooting something. I went to Queenstown once in the South Island and shot a commercial and it was stunning. It's a ski town and it was summer, but the landscape is just breathtaking. And where'd you grow up in Australia? I'm from the city. I lived in an area called Balmain, which is near the harbour, but it was a very working class neighbourhood and my parents moved there in the 70s. It's very close to the centre of the city. In Sydney? In Sydney. Well, Sydney's got that beautiful beaches.

Yeah, it's gorgeous. It's a good city. It's beautiful. It's good food. Absolutely beautiful, beautiful food. Yeah. Weather. I mean, it is a stunning place to live.

And your parents moved there when? They, I mean, they're both from Sydney and they've, you know, so they lived there their whole lives. Really? Yep, yep, pretty much. And now they moved to Tasmania, which is an island off the coast of Australia. It's part of Australia. I don't know why that doesn't sound good to me. Tasmania.

Maybe it's just a name. Are there people? Are they among the first ones? What's going on down there? Yeah, what is going on down there? So it's gorgeous. Oh, it is. one down there yeah what is going on down there so it's gorgeous oh it is um it's but it is it does have a lot of um colonial heritage you know bad stuff like the bad stuff yeah there's a very

famous jail there called um port arthur jail where a lot of the um you know it was a jail for convicts so when wasn't all of australia convicts initially they were well white australia yeah we were all you know they were sent there on the boats to eradicate a class of people from England. And then they were sent to live out their sentences in Australia. And then they got to hang out with the people who, you know, put them in jail after they were done with their sentences. Right. So the people that end up in jail after they've already come to Australia at a certain point at that time must have been really shitty people. Well, yes and no.

I mean, I guess so. Yeah. Then you get to hang out. It's so weird. It was such a weird experiment. Do you know your family heritage? No, I would love to. I would love to know.

And I was going to do that show. Who do you think you are? Oh, shit. But I couldn't figure out the schedule. But I would love to know my heritage. It'd be nice to have a show do it. You know, like they'll take care of it. Yeah, exactly.

Instead of getting off my own laurels and my own ass and doing it or whatever. Getting on that website or whatever. There's a good thing now. A girlfriend was telling me that you can just send your saliva. Oh, for the genetic thing. Yeah. Well, that's the genetic thing. Right, so then you get sort of a breakdown.

Yeah, I thought you were. Yeah, and it's very surprising. Yeah, she was surprised. Yeah, that's the genetic thing. Right. So then you get sort of a breakdown. Yeah. Of what you are. Yeah. And it's very surprising. Yeah. She was surprised. Yeah. Why? What was her surprise gift inside of her jeans?

She was like mostly, she thought she was mostly like Russian, Eastern European, and she found out she had some African in her. Don't we all? I think we probably do. It's not such a surprise, let's face it. So when did you, what kind of background do you come from? What did your folks do? My mom was a homemaker until we were probably,

until I started school. And then she worked at a Aboriginal primary school, you know, indigenous culture and population in Australia. And so she worked at a school there in the administrative office for a long time, a really great school called Darlington. In Sydney? Yeah, in Sydney in a place called Redfern, which is a very Aboriginal suburb.

Oh, so it was segregated to a degree? No, that's a harsh word. I don't think segregated, but just like- They had their neighborhood. Yeah, it was like a sort of and yeah neighborhood really and so it was a priority school for that which is great so they you know they very much respected the culture and didn't try to sort of there's a lot of different you know in aboriginal culture it's not polite to look your elders in the eye whereas for us it's very much you have to look people in the eye so you don't make them do that for instance

you know oh so she had to kind of learn the social rules yeah she did it was really interesting so she she um she was really on the front line which uh was cool yeah we i mean we all went to the school a lot growing up to that school uh well yeah we didn't i didn't attend the school because i was outside of the zone but um but we would go in there and see her a lot um and my dad ran a company his own company he worked mainly for village roadshow doing like statistics um like so if they wanted to build a new cinema he would go and like um do the surveys of the area like ask interview people you know would you go to this cinema if all right so we all worked for him we'd all go we all did the

phone surveys and that that's a movie company? A theater company? Yeah, Village Road is like Lowe's or something like that. So he would work for them. So he'd go do recon. Yeah, exactly. Like statistical recon work. But he was a mad fanatic horse bettor. Bet on the horses.

So he had a gambling problem. He also had a gambling problem. You put that very nicely. He just loved those horses. Well, yeah, I guess. But we never lost the house or anything like that. Because he had a regular job. But he loves numbers.

He does. So he just likes the handicapped. Crunches the numbers. Like how much of that horse eats. Exactly. What's the odds of this thing and that thing. So did you spend a lot of time at the track as a kid? I did, yeah.

I went to the track quite a bit. That's good. That's a healthy upbringing. Because you don't know better. It's like, come watch the horses. Daddy's going to put his wife on the line money-wise. I know. Yeah.

I think my mom said never marry a punter at one point. And a punter is a? A punter is a better. Oh. What do you say in America? Gambler. Gambler. Yeah, right. So punter is a better oh what are you saying is in america gambler gambler yeah right so punters yeah oh really so she said that yeah she said that to me she was sort of half joking right but she did say it how many brothers and sisters you get i'm the youngest of four so i've got sister sister brother me wow yeah and there are any of them in show business

my brother is a i mean not really My brother's a musician and a photographer. He has a really incredible, I'm just going to promote him a little bit. He does a great Instagram following. He's a photographer. So he's at George underscore Byrne, B-Y-R-N-E. And he has about 30,000 followers now, maybe more. Beautiful prints. He takes kind of moody, beautiful prints of LA landscapes.

Oh, he's here? He's here? Yeah, he lives in Silver Lake. Oh, did you go see him? Yeah, I saw him this morning. I went down to the printing shop with him. But they're gorgeous photos. I'll show you when we're done here.

I'll show you. They're really beautiful. So he's here. And my sister is a painter, Alice, and lives in Melbourne. And my other sister, Lucy, works for the Australian Council of the Arts and she lives in Sydney. So you're all kind of in the arts. So they are sort of all artistic, but my parents weren't. How'd that happen?

We grew up in Balmain, which is sort of like an old drinking little village, peninsula that was full of artists. Oh, really? So I think, well, somehow, I don't know. They don't know either. Do you remember them around, the artists? Well, I mean. know. They don't know either. Do you remember them around, the artists? Well, I mean. Did your parents have friends? Did you have some strange experience with an acting?

Did you go to a play? What happened? Like I started going to acting school when I was eight because my sister's best friend, Rosie Fisher, who's now one of my dear friends, she told me to go and there was a lot of kids in my neighborhood who went. To acting school? Yeah, to this little acting was a lot of kids in my neighborhood who went. To acting school. Yeah, to this little acting school.

Just for fun. For fun, yeah. And so all the kids were there doing little plays. Yeah, like really barely a play. More like games. Because I was eight. I was so little.

Eight. Yeah, I was really little. What do you learn as an actor? Were you learning method at eight? Were you doing... Strasburg. Meisner exercises at eight? Sense memory.

Remember when the cat died? Remember when- What a crying eight-year-old. I wouldn't give my, you know, she wouldn't give me the lolly or whatever. No, I'm more like pretend you're a tree. Pretend you're- That's good. Sort of the same thing.

More or less. A little more basic. Exactly. That's honoring the emotional construct of a child. Exactly. Pretend you're a dog. Easy. But you stuck with it, huh?

I stuck with it, man. For better or worse. I did. Well, when did you start? How did it go? So you were in there at eight and then kept going? I was very shy. I was really quiet.

Quite shy. And then I loved it. Loved going to class and kept going. And then a casting director came once scouting for like kids for a film. And I got a part in this film because of this scout. How old were you? 13. So you were in for a while.

So you were a shy kid and acting enabled you to do something, to get out of yourself. I think so. Yeah. Probably that's a pretty classic story. Yeah, kind of. But yeah. Are you shy now? I can be in classic story. Yeah, kind of. But yeah. Are you shy now? I can be in certain situations.

Yeah. So 13, you get a part in a movie. Yeah, so I got this part in a movie with Sandra Bernhard of all people. Yeah. And she was probably what, in her 20s? She was in her early 30s probably at that point, Sandra. She's been in here. Has she?

Sure. She's fabulous. Yeah, a long time ago now. She was with this gorgeous her girlfriend at the time was this beautiful south american supermodel called patricia some valqueza she was gorgeous kind of remember that uh stunning and so i did this she came to australia and did this film called dallas doll what was what was the plot of that what's the pitch the pitch of that is a american woman sort of invades this Australian family

and convinces them to spend all their money to open a golf course and country club. I kind of remember that movie. Bizarre little film. Yeah, like weird. Who the hell directed that? Whose big idea was that thing? Anne Turner wrote and directed it. So that was, yeah.

And once I did that, then I was on like casting lists. In Australia. In Australia. And I would go in and audition for things but i finished school i went to university and so on university university we call them colleges i know i like the i like the difference somebody i was at a hotel in boston the other night and someone said the lifts are around the corner i'm like no, no, they're not. Not in this country. Those are elevators, my friend. I'm not transitioning to lift. I say to my boyfriend, Bobby, all the time, get off the footpath or come on the footpath. And he's like, what? What are you talking about?

And I'm like, the footpath. He's like, it's a sidewalk. That's happened more than once? All the time. We have a saying, 60-40. He understands about 40% of what I say. That sounds perfect. The rest of the time, he's like, what? What about 40 of what i say that sounds perfect the rest of the time he's like what exactly it's probably why we're still together have you

figured out the percentage that he's not listening what's that yeah that's the next that's the next statistic we need to come up with well that was it's interesting that you worked with him in that movie because you know i didn't i actually didn't know it until after I watched the movie that you two were together. And it sort of makes sense how emotionally available he was. I mean, I'm sure he could do it as an actor. But there was something. There is another dimension to it, it seemed. Yep.

Oh, good. Yeah. I feel like you can. I mean, with. We can really make out and stuff. A, you can really make out. B, it's very economic choice for the producer because they get one carpool to take us to work.

Yeah, but the emotional shorthand is there. And it's sort of like, I think that sometimes, you know, if the script isn't perfect, that's hard to manufacture, you know, a history with somebody else. Yeah, I agree. And yeah, that's what we're interested about doing. We've actually done three jobs together

and this script was just, we both loved it. I read it first and I read that role of Danny and I thought, gosh, Bobby would be great for this. And then it ended up they had actually written it for him. So it was quite fortuitous. It's a tricky bit of business that, like there are some turns in that movie that are a little difficult emotionally.

And I really wonder about the reality of certain situations you know like if what happened in the movie happened in real life yeah could you be forgiving yeah it's a big well i i don't know in my life i've never had to deal with it i don't have a family and i'm cute so that's a whole different addition to yeah yeah a question like that but um it definitely happens it It sure does. We both know that. At that time. That forgiveness happens.

At that time. Oh, forgiveness happens. Yeah. I thought you meant like that. Oh, well. I don't want to spoil the movie. Yeah, that happens too. How long have you been with him?

We've been together for about three, two and a half years. Oh, okay. Three years. So it's still good? Yeah. It's fun? Yeah, he's fun.

He seems like a good guy. He's a great guy. He's fun. He seems like a good guy. He's a great guy. Seems solid. I liked him in that Woody Allen movie, the last movie. Uh-huh. Yeah. Wasn't she amazing, Kate? Kate was amazing.

I was. Dice was amazing. Yeah. Everybody was pretty good. Sally Hawkins. Yeah, she was great. She's British, right? Yeah, English, yeah.

All right, so getting back to this. Louis, too. Yeah, Louis was good, too. Louis was sweet. He can be sweet, you know, in terms of, like, sometimes when he plays a character that isn't him. You know, I thought that was a pretty lovable character until, you know, the turn at the end.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was. Kind of being a dick. Yeah, then he totally did show up, yeah. So what were the other movies you worked with him on? We did Annie. Recently. The recent Annie. Sorry, I missed that.

Remake. I missed it. I missed it with everybody else. I'll send you a DVD. People liked you in it, though. Did they? Yeah, I saw that. Did you get some bad press?

I think I stopped reading the reviews after a while. Well, that was for the movie. I mean, that movie came and went. I was like, what's happening? And then it's gone. It's so weird, man. It's so weird when those billboards hang around. I mean, that movie came and went. I was like, what's happening? And then it's gone. It's so weird, man. It's so weird when those billboards hang around. I know.

Of failures. I know, isn't it? Yeah. It's like an exhibit of what didn't work. I know. There you go. Like ghosts hanging over the street. Ghosts of failure.

God. Whatever ones you do with him. So we did that. And then we did Spy. This movie with Melissa McCarthy. Is that her movie? Yeah. So it's Melissa and me and Jason Statham and Bobby and Jude Law.

Is that one that her husband wrote? No, Paul Feig wrote and directed it, who did Bridesmaids and The Heat. Paul Feig, yeah, he's great. He's been in here. Has he been in here? I was going to say, if he has. They've all been in here. Yeah.

So you feel more comfortable now? No, I knew they had been. I looked. Because I project and I thought like you walked in and you're like, what is this? What have I agreed to do? This is ridiculous. This is house. I think my resting face looks a little sullen, but it's not.

I promise. Well, you know, it's weird when you're like a movie actress. You know, people just sit there and project things onto you. You know what I mean? Yeah, maybe that's it. She must be like yeah it's all it's all very intimidating sometimes yeah right but i feel better i feel okay about it you see i do that to people sure of course watching them yeah definitely just that guy's got to be horrible whatever you want onto them don't you like so i like kate moss is so great because she's so like the ultimate model because it's like anything you want. And still.

And still. It's astounding. She's got to be going on in like 20, 30 years. Yeah. And she's- Still looks great. She just is like unstoppable. So when you were coming up in Australia, I mean, they've got their own little film world and TV world.

Yeah. Like it seems that if you have talent, eventually you'll get your turn down there. Yeah. I mean, it's only 25 million people in Australia. It's tiny, as you know. And they're all on the coast. Yeah, because there's nothing in the middle. 80% of the population is all on the coast.

What's in the middle? What's in the middle? Have you been to the middle? I haven't. You've never been to the middle? I know. You've never been to New Zealand? Well, I have.

I've been to New Zealand. Just to shoot. I did go to Queenstown to shoot the Sony commercial. But I haven't. I haven't been to the mill you've never been in new zealand i know well i have i've been to new zealand just to shoot i did go to queenstown to shoot the sony commercial um but i haven't i haven't been to uluru which is a beautiful rock in the middle of australia in the desert um i haven't been to alice springs i made the mistake with nick cave to assume that like all you uh australians celebrities know each other we have rocky start me and nick cave rocky start in the conversation did he warm up kinda yeah

do you know him I don't I don't at all are you a fan no I mean I I respect I don't know his music

that well either but I love some of his stuff what music do you know what do I know yeah what do you know Rose who'd you grow up liking what did you rock out to what did I like

as a kid. I copied my brothers and sisters quite a lot. Oh, they're brothers and sisters. Yeah, so I copied what they were listening to a lot. Sure, sure. So that was, you know, reggae and, you know, old music like Zeppelin and Jimi Hendrix. Zeppelin. That's timeless music.

You know, all those sorts of things. That's not old. And then I really got into techno. Did you? I did raves and went to like a lot of techno and stuff like that. When you were a kid? Teenager. Yeah?

Yeah. So you're like going to take E and go say it? Oh, no. I never went that far. But I did go to the rave parties. Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of like the Carl Cox, DJ Carl Cox and stuff like that.

Yeah? And then I woke up one day and I was like, this is terrible. Oh, really? I don't want to go to these anymore. But it was a thing to do, right? Just dance all night. Totally. Wear silly hats.

Being a teenager, dancing. And then in my 20s, I really got into the Beastie Boys. Yeah, that's good. All right, you leveled off. Yeah. And then heavy into folk like then i'd start later after the 20s i guess so like cat power and oh you got you got a little sad nostalgic for your youth your heart grew heavy yeah that pretty earnest uh-huh is that when you weren't

in a relationship or oh no i was i was A troubled relationship. Difficult. I was. With an actor? Yeah, with an actor-writer. Yep. Yep. How long were you with that guy? Seven years. Oh.

Was it just a horror show? Yep. No. No. No, no, no. It wasn't. No, it wasn't. Anyone we know?

No. Australian fella? Yeah. Yeah? Is he doing all right? He's great. Good. He's fantastic. he's brilliant and

wonderful and a friend and no oh really yeah oh yeah absolutely who broke up with who mutual oh really yeah lucky you yeah that worked out i guess i mean you know just hit the wall hit the wall those things happen but uh but. But he had great taste in music. So that's where you got into the folk? Yeah, I got fantastic music tips from him. Do you know that British folk person? What's her name? Laura Marlin? Yeah.

You do? Yeah, I love her. I love Lucinda Williams. She's been here. Has she? What's she like? She's amazing. Is she?

I love her. She's the greatest. I wouldn't call her folk, though, but I love her. No, I wouldn't either. What would you say? Country rock. Country, yeah. And rock and roll.

Yeah. She's just, her voice is like. She sang in here, yeah. Did she? Yeah, that was astounding, because I'm a huge fan. And she told an amazing, disturbing story. Really? Oh, yeah, you've got to listen to it.

I will listen to it. Pretty sweet. I know she's an interesting character and stuff. Yeah, she's a doll. She came with us. She's married to her manager, who's a nice guy. He's a little younger than she is, and he seems to love her. And she's just got a great story.

Her father was a pretty intense poet, recently passed away. Right. It was before that. But I was just ecstatic to have her in here. Wow. All right, wait. So let's go back to your amazing child stardom. Yes.

Well, hardly. Hardly. So 13, you're in the movie with Sandra Bernhardt. So I did that movie with Sandra, which kind of came and went. I didn't even know if it got a release, actually. I kind of have this vague memory of it, you know, being here, seeing it written about, and that was odd. Okay. Did you see the movie?

I did. I mean, years ago I saw it. Years ago that was odd. Okay. Did you see the movie? I did. I mean, years ago I saw it. Years ago I saw it. How are you at watching yourself? Not great. I wish I was better because I think it's actually constructive. You know what I mean? You can watch yourself and go, I don't know.

Stop doing that with your face. Yeah, stop doing that. You know, that didn't work or how about like oh you did a good job or you did a good job or whatever

but it's all a bit overwhelming and I just shut down yeah I can sometimes I have to wait a year or two really

yeah other times yeah if I do usually I do my show on IFC but lately like I can like I'm not

fundamentally an actor but I can see I've gotten better so that yeah yeah that's enough interesting yeah yeah yeah like I still think like could have but But lately, like, I'm not fundamentally an actor, but I can see I've gotten better. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah. That's enough. That's interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I still think, like, ugh, could have.

But I think I've gotten better. Did you work with a coach? No. No. No. I should have, maybe. I thought about it, but there's no time on the type of production we do. Right.

Like, there's really no time for, like, we're shooting an episode in three days. Right. So there's no time for even real rehearsals yeah right but you know i had a lot of input but do you work with coaches i have in the past oh yeah well where was the where was the real training then so you're 13 you do that movie and then you're in australia and you're a movie person now there's a pretty big part right yeah i mean i was i was so young though i was really little but i went to this school called the australian theater for young people or atyp and it's um i'm now the ambassador for which is a great um youth theater school really that you go to after school and

and do class they you know take from eight years old to 25 years old right people right um so i did that and then i graduated uh high you know i finished high school and i auditioned for nida which is the big drama school that you know mel gibson went to and kate but i didn't get in so i was devastated um and then i went to university where'd you study there i did english you didn't get into that to the school no how the fuck did that happen what do you mean man didn't get in man so how many how many you did a movie and did some TV already? Yeah, I did some TV, did a few movies, I did that. And you're in Australia?

Yeah. And they wouldn't let you in? What did you do? What did you do during your... I was pretty sad. So I went to university. But what did you do during your audition, though? Well, what didn't I...

I think it's probably what I didn't do. I'm sure I wasn't very good. I don't know. But you already were working. Doesn't it get mattered? Clearly didn't do well i'm sure i wasn't very good i don't know but you already were working doesn't it get mattered clearly didn't matter what a pompous bunch of no yeah well i know i went to i went to college instead but now you're the ambassador for that school no no no that's a separate school neither is one school atyp is another school so you okay so you went to basically performance high school and then you tried to get into what would uh like would be a a college arts program exactly yeah it's like

juilliard right okay and it's the uh australian juilliard exactly yeah oh and they did you know i'd fuck them and what kind of bullshit is that right well you should well i hope they know what's going on with you now i hope they do too, too. I hope they're listening. Yeah, I do, too. I hope their teachers are listening. I'll get one email. I'd like to say that I did go to that school. What did you have to do? Like a classical piece and a modern piece?

Like two pieces? I had to do... Yeah, I did. I think I did something from Twelfth Night. If I remember, I think I did a viola from Twelfth Night. God, I've blocked it out. Probably a head with something heavy out probably ahead of something heavy hopefully it was something heavy cried a little bit to balance off the shakespearean comedy i don't

know how to do shakespeare i don't even know i don't even know how to read it i don't even i don't know i only really you know hamlet i studied and i love and i actually studied 12th night and the tempest that's i loved english so i. So you studied as literature, but to act them. Yeah. That's a chore. The language is amazing. That's what I hear. You know what I mean?

They were like, he's really the greatest writer. We're making news here. He's just. Rose Byrne has decided that Shakespeare is a pretty good writer. Right here on my show. Guys, Bill Shakespeare. Have you heard of him? Awesome writer.

Bill Shakespeare. Got a handle on the language, that fella. Can write. Can write well. All right, so you go to university. Yeah, so I went to Sydney University. And you studied what? I studied gender studies and I studied English literature.

So you were bailing. I was basically giving up. You were? No, no, no. You mean on acting? No, no. So at the same time I would audition

and I did films and TV at the same time. So do we know any of the people that you acted with? Some people that became bigger stars from the Australian

talent landscape? Yeah. Well, I did a film when I was 19 with Heath Ledger. Oh, yeah. How old was he? He couldn't have been much older than you.

He was 19. Yeah. Yeah, we were both kids. Which movie? It's a really great crime caper film called Two Hands. It wasn't released here, but it was a big hit in Australia with Brian Brown, a host of brilliant Australian actors directed and written by Gregor Jordan. And yeah, Heath was the lead, and I played his kind of love interest in the film.

And was he great? Yeah, he was the lead and I played his kind of love interest in the film. And was he great? Yeah, he was great. He was incredibly generous. He would just help you whenever he could. Like when I would come to LA, you know, his house was open to stay and he would always help me get auditions. Oh yeah, so you guys remained friends. We did. We did. Yeah. So it was very, obviously, you know, real tragedy. Yeah. Yeah, just a real tragedy. You know, his poor family, his little girl and everything. But he was a very wild and spirited and kind of, you know, guy. He was very, he lived well.

Like, he lived large. Pushed it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wasn't, he was shy in a way, though, I suppose. But he was always very generous, had a big heart. Well, yeah, it was a horrible loss. And it just seemed like right when he was really about to sort of take off.

I know, he did some incredible performances. Oh, yeah, a couple, right? And then he won the award, possibly. Yeah, really, very sad. Wow, so that was early on. Now, you were in Star Wars Episode II, Attack of the Clones. Oh, yeah, I did that. That I still get fan mail for.

Of course you do. People are crazy. Of course you do. Talk about it. What kind of fan mail? How big was your part in that? Because I'm not that big a nerd, so I did not see the movie. I tell you, I'm in that film for a minute and a half.

And you get fan mail. And I'm behind Natalie Portman the whole time. And you get fan mail. And I have one line, yeah. Like? And you get pan mill. And I'm behind Natalie Portman the whole time. And you get pan mill. And I have one line, yeah. Like, like, like. Just like cards and laminated things and posters and just, you know, it's intense. All from the same guy. The one guy.

Exactly. All from the same person who's got the shop where he's selling them. And the one dude. Yeah, yeah. And how do you respond to that kind of thing? I mean, I. You don't. No, I did last time.

I actually did write, did a bunch of fan mail, which was cool. I finally got around to doing a bunch of stuff because I was doing a play and they sent it to the theater on Broadway. What play? I did a play called You Can't Take It With You. Oh, that classic play? Yeah, the Kaufman and Hart play.

I feel like I was in that play in college. You were. I'm sure you were. Everybody was. There's a lot of people on stage at the end. Yeah, yeah, it's a big cast. Big cast of people. Is that the one where one of the relatives blows things up?

Yep. Okay. Yep. It's a pinner. Yeah, there you go. Sure. So I did that on Broadway last year. Did you love it?

I loved it. I loved it. James Earl Jones played Grandpa. Do you feel like, do you love stage acting? I hadn't done a play for 12 years, since I was like 21 or something. Well, let's catch up. So the Star Wars thing, how'd you get that? That was shot there, right?

That was shot there. I just auditioned. And you were still living there? Yep, I was still living there. So he was casting locally? Yep, exactly. I'm sure they had some kind of prerequisite for tax purposes to cast Australians. But yeah, in any case, I got to do it, which was cool. But did you get to engage with George Lucas?

Yeah, he was cool. He was really friendly and really cool. Lovely. All right. And when do you make the move to the States? When do you're like, I'm going to... Wait, wait a minute. I read something like, where is this, that there was another movie where you worked with Dennis Hopper. I did. I did a film called The Night We Call It A Day. Dennis Hopper came out to do it. He played Frank Sinatra and Melanie Griffith came out. And that was an Australian movie? Yeah.

Was it hidden from the rest of the world? Because I'd never seen it. I don't think it came out of here. I did a few movies that didn't seem much to any audiences. Frank Sinatra? Yeah. Bizarre. Yeah, it was bizarre.

It was bizarre. Did you hang out with him? No, we didn't like hang out. Too scary? Were you scared? I was intimidated. I was young. I was 20, 20.

I was a kid, 21. I was really intimidated at that point. So when do you make the move? I started coming over here when I was auditioning in my 1920. But just come over for three months here, three months there, and audition, audition. And then I eventually got this job called Wicker Park. So I did that.

And then I did this film Troy, which is like a big sandals and sword epic with Brad Pitt. I remember that. And Wolfgang Peterson directed it. How big was your part in that? It was cool. It was a good part. I played Briseis, who is a Greek and gets captured by the Trojans.

And she becomes basically Brad Pitt's slave. Nice. So you got to work with Brad. And then fall in love and get together. You fell in love with Brad. The characters do. You know, they get together. I understand.

That was a moron. Just clarifying. Yeah. Just clarifying. So you don't like Brad Pitt is what you're saying. I hated him. I just hated him. I mean, what an asshole.

No, no, he was cool, man. He was cool. I was young. I mean, what an asshole. No, no, he was cool, man. He was cool. I was young. I was pretty shy. And we filmed that in Malta for a long time. So you were on set for a long time. Waiting in the hotel for a long time. Was it pretty, though?

Pretty, right? Malta's pretty. It's gorgeous. Yeah, very pretty. So it was all on kind of location-ish, big sets? Pretty much, yeah. Malta's got all these incredible ruins and things. I mean, it's a very popular place to film was he nice to work with i mean when you say when you talk about

heath ledger as being generous or being was what kind of actor is brad pitt to play against mellow like he's laid back and he's easy you know and uh he's creative in a really particular way like he's very curious and um he had a lot of ideas about things and he was and just cool with acting like respected actors i was really it's it's interesting that you can't like there's certain things in terms of movie stars that you can't really account for that like there's no they're just born that way you know who the hell knows yeah you know whatever he's doing you know when he gets on screen you're like no that's brad pitt yeah there's only a handful of movie stars yeah i know there are right a lot of actors yeah there's only a handful that have that kind of transcend to that it's kind of bizarre because it's complete it's like models you know

so it's just this natural phenomenon if they can find it yeah it's really true no i know and he you know yeah i was just working with um sus Sarandon. I'm doing film shooting out here with her. Yeah, and she's, you know, has she been here? No. I've interviewed her when I did a radio show on Air America. I interviewed when they were together, the both of them. Oh, cool. She knows me.

Oh, cool. You can say hi. I will. I'd like to get her in here. She's dynamite. She's great. She's great. She's just brilliant.

Marie Antoinette, you were in that? I saw that movie. Yeah, I have a really fun get her in here. She's dynamite. She's great. She's great. She's just brilliant. Marie Antoinette, you were in that. I saw that movie. Yeah, I have a really fun little part in that, playing the Duchess de Polignac. Did you have fun dressing up? It was fun. I got to wear some costumes that Marissa Berenson wore in Barry Lyndon. You did?

Yeah, because Milena Cananero was the costume designer who's won multiple Oscars. And she just pulled them out? She still had them? Yeah, I guess she still had them in the files or in the costume designer who's won, you know, multiple Oscars. And I bought some. She still had them? Yeah, I guess she still had them in the files or, you know, in the archives. That's crazy. Yeah, these gorgeous, you know, gorgeous. That's an insane movie. Yeah, amazing movie.

Yeah. It's really, like, it's funny in parts. Yeah. So, Sofia Coppola was fun? Yeah, it was Sofia. She was cool. She was very gentle director. Very, like, easy, gentle, a lot of improvising, very fluid filmmaking.

It was cool. Yeah, it was fun. And Jamie Dornan was in that. Jamie? Jamie Dornan, who is now the star of Fifty Shades of Grey. Oh, good. He was in that. Thank God.

He's a lovely guy. He's a sweetheart. Is that Fifty Shades? Did that open did it come and go is it done is it happened it was a huge hit

it was yeah big hit how could it not be how exactly I guess there's a lot of women in this country that don't realize

that porn is available well I mean or Anais Nin yeah I don't know go way back go all the way back

do whatever you I don't know I'm being condescending and I'd have no idea what the book is about, nor do I know what the movie was about. Right. Did you see it? Well, I was traveling back from Australia once, and both women on either side of me

were reading the book, and the stewardess, and the women in front of me were reading But is it romance, or is it filth? So I did read it. Oh, you did? Yeah, I read it. And it's... A hybrid? Is it romantic filth?

It's a hybrid. It's a hybrid. Romantic filth. I would say it's a hybrid. it romantic it's a hybrid it's a hybrid romantic i would say it's a hybrid okay absolutely all right yeah so it's almost so it's not quite porn it's just above porn for some reason not that i have any problem i have no problem with porn i'm not judging it i guess i'm not that up on my pawns i can't really's not. Is it romantic or is it just sexual? No, no, no. It's romantic. It's absolutely romantic.

Yeah. It's a classic story of, you know, Dark Daring Souter and the young virginal woman. I'll get you a copy. Sounds good to me. I'll send you a copy. I'll pick one up. I'll get you a Kindle.

Yeah, will you? I have a Kindle. We'll just download it after this. I'll give you some music. You can give me the Fifty Shades of Grey. You can help me download that. So you've done a shitload of movies. The X-Men movies are big.

You must get some fan mail for that. I do. Same guy from the Star Wars. Exactly. The fanboys. Yeah. The fanboys. The nerds.

The nerds. They love you? Are you a nerd goddess? They give... I think because I'm not a mutant in those X-Men films, I've really escaped a lot of attention. You fly... You're the, what is your part? What's her name? Moira?

Moira McTaggart. She's a CIA agent, operative. And so she has this relationship with Charles Xavier. And so she flies planes and she actually causes his injury in the one that, you know, she made him paraplegic in the one. Oh, really? Yeah. And that's right out of the comic or what? Are believe so i'm not sure we had an incredible guy come in on set one day with like the all the comics you know a real fan boy

and he was showing me all of moira's history and blah and they're kind of endless they just let that guy on the set who was what do you mean he just came on the set no no i mean you know they sourced him out the production and he came on and any question we had about these characters. They found a guy whose job was it to be a deep nerd, a deep X-Man nerd. Yeah. And they're like, we've got the deepest X-Man nerd in the country. Yep. He's coming in with the stuff.

Yep. He came in. And he came in? He came in. Was he on top of his game? He was beyond on top of his, I mean, he had, because the thing is with those comics, the stories are crazy. I mean, they go into like parallel universes and then they change identities and then they come back

and then they die and then they're reborn and then they're a man and a woman and then they have pals and then they don't and then they have a child and the child turns into the sun and then the sun rules this planet, the planet of that planet, they blow up and then the Trojans from that planet turn into apes that then become, you know, it's like Scientology.

It's like totally. I don't know, but I think I'll send that little clip of you saying that to you and you can maybe publish that. Maybe you could give that to a comic book writer and say, I think I came up with this spontaneously on Maren's show. I was riffing. Yeah, I was riffing. What do you think? We've got a full mythology here. I mean, it's really that complicated.

I know. I mean, it's really that complicated. I know. I was like, what? I know. So I think they just pick out strands of stuff from these universes of these stories. And figure out which ones are mashed up into a movie. Yeah. I never got into those comic books. Later in life, I got into some of them more.

Which ones? Hellblazer, Sandman, Swamp Thing I liked. But I was never a superhero person. Do you like any of the films, any of the kind of franchises that are around? I haven't really jumped in. I think I saw Iron Man. I think I saw that.

I think I saw Iron Man 1 and 2 for some reason, and I liked it. It's okay. It's fun. Did you like the Chris Van Ollen trilogy, The Dark Knight? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw those.

Yeah, I like those. Yeah. Some of them are better than others. You know, it was interesting because I, yeah, I saw, I was watching, I don't know if it was the last one, and it reminded me that I met Michael Keaton and I had to have him on the show. I wanted to have him on the show.

And because I was watching one of Nolan's, I was like, I gotta gotta i hadn't reached out to michael keaton in like a year wow did he come on he did oh cool it was like like the next day or something's like i'm in town now what are you doing now what's going on tomorrow you're gonna be around him he just came over like it's seven at night all right what are we doing so that's good it was great keep you on your toes it was great to talk to the first batman the original he was a good batman that was a good Batman. That was a great film.

I loved that original one. Yeah, so did he. Kim Basinger and Jack Nicholson. Yeah, but the Christopher Nolan series is, I think, really brilliant. It's good. And sort of raised the bar for the genre. And then you were on Damages Forever, and that was a big job, right? Huge job.

That was the biggest job you had. Big break. People loved that thing. And it was sort of like, it was one of those weird TV shows where it's sort of like, canceled. No, it's not. It's back. It's half canceled. No, we're just moving it to a thing.

We're just moving it to secure a network, but we're still going. We're still on it. We're still here. We're still here. Yeah. Yeah. We had five seasons, three on FX, two on DirecTV. But yeah, it was a big break for me.

I was 27, moved to New York, got this show opposite glenn close yeah and um i'd never done a cable television before and like a long-running show not since i'm 15 i did a show in australia for you know a soap for about a year so it's hard work i mean the hours that those act that you clock as an actor on those shows is like intense you work 17 18 nowadays 18 hour days. It's really the crew. But you got to work with. But I got to work with Glenn. She's, you know, she's Glenn Close. And what was the whole, it was sort of a sorted bit of business.

What was the angle of that show? I'm a young, very naive lawyer who comes to work for her and she's only employing me because I have information. And she's a very duplicitous sort of shady woman in a way she does a lot of things out of line out of a hook to get her case done but she's generally usually is trying to do the right thing but she does a lot of bad things to do the right thing are your folks still alive are they proud of you yeah I think so I hope so do they go see your stuff yeah they do they do oh yeah they. Oh, yeah.

They try to. Yeah. Because they're in Tasmania. It's pretty remote. Is there a horse track in Tasmania? No. He doesn't really go to the track anymore. He just listens on the radio.

Betfair.com. Oh, so he does it online. Yeah, Betfair.com. Yep. So he just sits there and does that. Yes. Compulsively. And he has garlic farm.

He's a garlic farm? Yeah. He has a beautiful... I'll show you a photo. He's got great garlics. He's entered a farm? Yeah, he has a beautiful, I'll show you a photo, he's got great garlics. He's entered a few competitions. There's an annual competition in Tasmania for garlic. He's a competitive garlic grower? Yeah.

Does he ever send you garlic? Yeah. No, he doesn't because I'm over here. He can't send garlic? I don't think I get through customs. Do you go visit them? Yeah, I was just there over the summer and they're really good with food and everything's very fresh and so they he cooks for me constantly when i'm with garlic a lot of garlic a lot of garlic no vampires in that house

does he pickle it or anything like that uh no maybe he does he hasn't told me i don't think so i've only had that once anyways it's kind of heavy was it nice it's all right yeah so i can eat a whole clove of garlic just because it's sitting in vinegar doesn't mean it's going to be any less. It would give me a little stomach ache if I ate too much garlic. Yeah. And you think it's good for you and maybe it's good for you. It is. It is.

Is it? Yes. Is there science on that? It's got a lot of antioxidants in it. Fine. Don't quote me on that. So, all right, let's get into the more recent stuff. Yeah, cool.

How'd you get locked in with these comic people? I was very lucky. I kept badgering my agent saying I'd love to do comedy and all I really was known for is Damages and Troy, which were kind of very heavy films and television show. So I finally started getting some auditions and then I went in and read for Get Into the Greek that Judd Apatow was producing and Nick Stoller was the writer director.

He's been in here. Has he been in here? Yeah. He's awesome, right? He's a sweet guy. So he gave me my break. He's a sweet guy. He gave me my break and they knew Damages a little bit.

That was sort of his break too. He did Forgetting Sarah Marshall before that. Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. But they took a chance. Damages wasn't a comedy and that's where they knew me

from and they were like, sure. So him and Judd were sitting there and they decided. Judd wasn't in the room that, I think it was just, it was it was Nick Stoller and I've sort of blurred it out. It's online, my audition. It is? How'd that happen? They film it and they post, I mean, Russell's is online, mine's

online. They post it during the promotion? Ross is online. Maybe they do. I don't know how they roll it out. And so that was the first real comedy. That was my break. The big comedy. Yeah.

And then you did Bridesmaids after that? Yeah. And they had seen me in that job and he was producing this and I read for that and I got Bridesmaids. So I was really very lucky to be seen by them. Right. And then you did Neighbors, which was pretty huge. Yeah. Yeah. We did Neighbors. The internship? and I got bridesmaids. So I was really very lucky to be, you know, Right, and then you did Neighbors, which was pretty huge.

Yeah, yeah, we did Neighbors. The internship, which was not so huge. Though there were a lot of signs around that remained around. The ghost. And you did The Place Beyond the Pines, which was heavy as fuck. Yeah. I love that fucking movie.

It's a cool movie. I have a tiny part, but it was really cool. I played Bradley's wife. Yeah, it's brief, right? Yeah, super brief brief i have like three scenes but when he was a cop not when he became like mayor or whatever we still no he's so it's sort of yeah it's the second half of the film and he's a cop and then he gets shot right injured and then he does and then he starts running for mayor right so you you were there like when he was home convalescing

right i remember yeah yeah now i thought that movie was very kind of uh do you like it i did Right. So you were there like when he was home convalescing, right? Exactly. I remember. Yeah. Now I thought that movie was very kind of. Did you like it? I did like it. It was pretty to look at. And it was an interesting structure. Yeah. He's a really interesting filmmaker.

I loved Blue Valentine. And he's just done another really interesting film. What's his name? Derek Sanfranco. Yeah. Yeah. He's like a real artist guy. Yeah.

He's really. Yeah. He's really talented. So the spy thing is going toeld. Yeah. Yeah. He's like a real artist guy. Yeah. He's really, yeah. He's really talented. So the spy thing is going to happen. Yeah. So spy comes out in June. X-Men Apocalypse is going to happen. Yeah.

You know, I went to your wiki and they have not put adult beginners on there. Haven't they? No. How do I get in touch with them? I don't know who does it. I mean, talk to your publicist. My name was incorrect on IMDb for a long time. They had my name as Rose Judith Esther Byrne.

What? I don't know. I was like. But what's your dream, man? What do you want to, like, what would be the role? You know, I would just love, strive to work with directors I admire. And who do you want to work with? I mean, I'd love to work with Derek again.

That was really, you know inspiring challenging experience um i love um david lynch i'm a big lynch fan i love can you get weird how weird can you get well i would you do it for him right i'd love to do that i think he's he's so so you like shit. You do like it. Well, but I've... It's been great doing some comedy because that's been something I've... But to challenge yourself. Oh, yeah, for sure. Absolutely.

Do you feel like you've nailed it or what? Nailed the challenge? No. Are you kidding? Not at all. Not at all. No. Are you worried?

Always. Yeah? But you're doing okay, okay right i have nothing to complain about but i think the you know general sort of artists sure oh what's your biggest fear though really i think it just drives you a little bit sure you're just waiting for the other shoe to drop well you know you're doing you know like you found you know you've hit your stride at an age where you know most actresses are like, am I going to work anymore? It's true. I mean, it's true.

No, it's a good point. It's absolutely true. No, I've had a great few last years of working consistently on interesting stuff. But, you know, fuck, man. Yeah. Like, can you swear on this show? Sure. Oh, okay.

Yeah, of course. But. Well, now you got to do it. You know. What were you going to say, fuck, man? Well, I just said fuck, man. Oh, okay, sorry. Yeah, of course. But, uh... Well, now you gotta do it. You know. What were you gonna say, fuck man? Well, I just said fuck man. Yeah, good.

Like, it's, you just have to keep perspective on it, you know. I think you wanna do more stage. That's what I think. Is that what you say when you look into my eyes? I think like,

like some heavy stage. No, I think my, I'm probably more strong in Canadian stuff, I think. Really? Yeah, I think so. I think I've found... Even though I think it's more challenging.

What if you're like, don't you want to play evil fucking... Well, in Spy, I have a really great evil character. Because even in Bridesmaids, she was just insecure and over the top in terms of her pomposity. Yeah. But it was a fragile character. Yeah. But I'd like to see you be terrifying. Yeah. In Spy, she's like that. She's... It's a comedy, though, isn But I'd like to see you be terrifying. Yeah.

In Spy, she's like that. It's a comedy, though, isn't it? It truly doesn't. It's a comedy. It is a comedy. No, it's a comedy, but it's taken very seriously for a comedy. So it's like my character, she absolutely just doesn't care about anybody else but herself, and there's no sort of concept of a consequence for her.

You know, it's very, she's totally, I don't know. So that was fun. That was fun to play a truly evil person. And Feig's great. He's a sweet guy. He's the greatest. Yeah. And he's, I mean, not to get, he's such a champion of women, you know, like he breaks

every convention. Like he's so smart like that. And when I went and met him at Feig Co. recently, he's like, you know, we want to make female driven films with action and comedy. And that's sort of, he's doing exactly what he said. Well, I think it's important. It has to happen. It has to happen.

It has to happen. You studied gender in college? What was, that must have been like at the beginning of the massive gender studies. What was the angle on that? We read FICO. Sure. And we, you know, looked at that stuff and the myth of gender, like gender sort of technically being a myth and how it developed. Patriarchy.

Did you read about the patriarchy? Like how the whole thing is stilted against women? Oh, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally. I've been reading The Feminine Mystique by Betty Friedan. I know it's a very old text, but I've been reading that, which is, you know, really interesting. So, yeah.

And it's just still really rife so it's someone like paul fee who is just interested in just like smashing all those walls and not paying attention to it is really i thought bridesmaids was genius i loved you thank you you were great everybody was great oh thank you yeah it's a that was again hilarious weirdly didn't realize i'm very naive i didn't realize like that it would be such a you know disgust point of the fact that it was all women being funny i really didn't realize that when we started doing the press tour that was everyone was like wow who knew all these women were so funny americans forget that it's amazing but not just americans it was all over the world we went to england and ireland and australia and um you know i'm sure they didn't say that to the

guys in the hangover like wow you guys are funny yeah you guys are really like funny who knew that guys little short guys with beards and doofuses who put tattoos on their face were hilarious yeah it's like I'm sure they didn't say that to them so it'd be great the day that we don't have to say it at all like

that it's just you You say it, sister. I will. I will, brother. I will. I will. All right, I got to get you out of here, I guess, to honor your other commitment. Oh, no.

I'm sorry. Where do you got to go? It's very dull, but I have a commitment this evening that my friend's coming over at like 6.30 and we're going out together. Oh, yeah? For dinner?

Yeah, to a dinner. Fancy? To someone's house? To like a dinner in a, where is it? It's in like Barney's. Oh, yeah? The restaurant? Yes.

So it's an event. You're going to an event. Don't make me feel guilty about it. And you're going to get all dolled up. No, this is it. No, come on. This is it. Well, I'll put on like a different all dolled up. No, this is it. No, come on. This is it. Well, I'll put on like a different outfit.

A dress. You can wear a dress. Yeah, maybe a frock. No, you can wear a black dress. A black frock. You can wear a black dress. I know what's happening. Are you going to an event tonight?

Where are you going? I'm going to go play guitar at a place. Oh, really? Yeah. Where? At the Baked Potato. Cool. Well, it's nice talking to you.

Yeah, lovely to talk to you. And best of luck with this movie. Thank you. Thank you for watching it. And all your success. All your success to you as well. I hope I can come back again. No, there's no way.

First of all, I never do. I never have people come back unless I really like them. Really? And help them promote something. And generally, people who have to go to leave early, can't schedule properly. Whoa. Yeah, that's how I am. Yeah, so you just know.

Yeah, well, you can come back anytime. Even if I'm not here, feel free. Thank you. All right, so I'm going to say goodbye, Rose. All right. Thank you. All right, so I'm going to say goodbye, Rose. All right.

Well, that's it. That was a lovely chat. She's lovely to look at and talk to, that woman. And talented as well. So I'm in a hotel room. Just going to hang out. Go to WTFpod.com for all your wtf pod deans get on that mailing list i'll mail you a little something every monday uh what else you know get some just coffee.coop i

went there did i tell you tell you that i went over to just coffee.coop saw their new operation it's in it's in a uh a building that used to be a roller rink. Big operation. They got both machines going. They used to just have the convection roaster, but now they got the drum roaster as well. So their dark coffees are probably resonating much better, which is fortunate because they're doing that in the drum, I think, now. And my coffee is a dark coffee. So this is the way it's supposed to be done. They've got full spectrum over there now. Big operations. Nice to meet everybody over at justcoffee.coop. so this is the way it's supposed to be done they're full, got full spectrum over there now, big operations

nice to meet everybody over at justcoffee.coop I knew Moon and a couple other people, Mike Moon who runs the joint, well it's a co-op so I don't want to lay any sort of heavy leadership qualities on any of the members but it was great to be over there great to drink coffee at the Source

nice to do something in Madison go to WTFpod.com slash calendar and check out the dates honestly if I'm coming near you you should come near me these have been good shows alright there's no guitar here

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