WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 633 - Lake Bell

Episode Date: August 30, 2015

Lake Bell is an actor, a writer, a director, and a mother. She tells Marc how all four of those things came to be, including what it took to get her own movie made, how she got connected with the comedy community, and what complications arose while making the movie No Escape. Plus, Jessie Askinazi and Rose McGowan stop by to talk about their #YesAllWomen fundraiser and auction. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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How are you? What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucking ears? What the fucking delics? What the fucksikins? And what the fuckleberryfins? How's that for a few?

How are you? How are you? This is Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's that for a few? How are you? How are you? This is Mark Maron. This is my podcast. Welcome to it. How's your day going? Take it easy. Take it easy. Just slow down. You're not in a hurry. All right. Even if you are in a hurry, is it worth hurting yourself over? Is it worth it? Is it worth it? Just take it easy. Relax. Focus. Maybe distract yourself with my voice right now. Hey, how you doing? What's the matter?

You all right? That's all I'm saying. All right, you're going to get there. The world's not going to end unless you're on your way to the hospital and you're in the middle of a coronary. Oh, what a negative way to start a podcast. First off, I'd like to say that I have the amazing Lake Bell on the podcast today. Lake Bell. She's in this movie,

no escape with Owen Wilson and Pierce Brosnan. That's in theaters. Now she's made her own movie that she directed and wrote and starred in, in a world. It's got the amazing Michaela Watkins in it. It's a funny movie, cute and funny and emotional. I liked it.

And we tried to get Lake Bell in here for that, but something didn't happen. But it's weird, man. She's one of these people that I looked at and I, you know, I'm like, I always, I thought I knew her. And even if I didn't know her, I thought I would know her from, you know, like we've known each other for centuries maybe. Maybe, you know know like there was a soul connection that was not no i'm not this is not a sexual thing this is just a thing that i felt but not in that way just that i felt she felt familiar to me and then i realized she looks a lot like my ex-wife but i didn't bring that baggage to the table i was just excited to see lake bell

and we we had some we talked about stuff I've never talked about. So listen, I'm going to be in Dublin this Wednesday, day after tomorrow at Vicar Street. I'll be in London at South Bank Center this Thursday and Friday, September 3rd and 4th. And Australia, please get on board so the promoter doesn't freak out. Thursday, October 15th at the State Theater in Sydney. Friday, October 16th at the Palais Theater in Melbourne.

Saturday, October 17th at Brisbane City Hall. All right? I know you're coming, but I just, you know, they're freaking out already. So if you can, think ahead and buy tickets, Australia. Would you? Would you? Come on. All right.

That's good. That's some plugging. Go to WTFpod.com slash calendar and you can get links to you? Come on. All right. That's good. That's some plugging. Go to wtfpod.com slash calendar and you can get links to this stuff. Okay. All right. Let's get honest about some stuff. So I go to the doctor. I'm waiting. So the EKG, I did all that. I did the stress test. So now I go in for the sonogram and I'm nervous. I double checked. I'm like, I'm in for the sonogram. Do I get to talk to the doctor today? And they're like, yes. I'm like, I get to talk to him though about what's going on. Yes.

Okay. Because it was unclear whether my test. I brought my blood test with me because I no longer trusted them to have that, you know, in a timely fashion. I brought that with my cholesterol, my high cholesterol, my 240 cholesterol. And I mean, the guy comes in. It's like, okay, we're going to do the sonogram now. This is like a sonogram now this is like a

sonogram it's like a sonogram sonogram like they use for uh babies it's fucking fascinating and i'm i'm preoccupied with my heart and the fragility of life this is just one fucking organ just ticking away i don't know why it keeps ticking. I imagine it wants to live. It's got an agenda, and that is life, and it's running a machine that's supposed to dump some goo into another machine to make more life.

I faltered on that one. I've dumped goo, but not any place where it's going to do anything. What the fuck is wrong with me? Anyways, so I'm in there. The guy greases up the,

lubes up the thing to rub on my parts on my chest and he puts that thing on and i can see out of the corner of my eye i'm turned to the side i can see the sonogram of my fucking beating heart in real time and it's it's pretty it's kind of emotional to know that's it that's it and he made it sound all different ways to hear the different valves i wish i you know all i could think was like has anyone used this on a record of course of course they have so i think pink floyd did but just straight up not through the sonogram machine so i'm looking at it and of course i'm going uh so all right so look all right what are you doing now first he checked my what is it carotid carotid arteries

in my neck because they check those for plaque and deposits that would lead to stroke and i like how they look he's like pretty good so far and then he moves down on my chest and he's looking at my heart and i go uh so what's up now he goes i'm just checking all the valves and i'm looking at it and there's color going one way and the other way when i go what so what's up now? He goes, I'm just checking all the valves. And I'm looking at it and there's color going one way and the other way. I go, what's the colors? What's the colors? He goes, just checking direction of the pumping. I'm like, is it good?

Is it good? He's like, it's looking good so far. And then these guys, they're not really supposed to say that. But how are they not going to say that? They're not supposed to tell you. They're not a doctor. And then he's like, turn on your side. Let's get the profile.

I want to see how all the chambers look. So I turn on my side and i'm looking at my heart beating and beating and i'm like holy fuck that's the only thing that's keeping me going that's it that's the thing i got no control over that thing i do a little bit i could try not to kill it it's unexplainable why the fuck is it happening why is it just going i know we're built to go but it's like, what? I was excited and fucked up and weird. So he turned on my side. He's looking at the chambers.

I'm like, how's that? How's that? And when he put that thing on my chest and I saw my heart on the sonogram, I'm excited to tell you, it's a girl. Yep, I imagine some of you knew that. It's a girl. Yeah. So I'm the proud daddy of a girl heart.

Right in my chest. Anyway, all kidding aside, I waited for the doctor to come into the examining room. About 20 minutes, he came in. He looked at at my cholesterol numbers he looked at all the test results and he said that my arteries and my heart are perfect no plaque no hardening all the valves are pumping well everything is a-okay now that is great fucking news he said i can try to exercise and diet away the cholesterol i'm borderline i don't need medicine yet that's what he said so what does that mean that means i can either continue going to doctors to see what the hell

is wrong with me and why my body is short-circuiting all over the place or try to change my life in a way that would ease that stuff maybe meditate perhaps not drink three pots of coffee a day, maybe one pot. Perhaps not indulge and engage in anxious, crazy energy whenever possible. Perhaps that would help. I don't know, but I'm grateful. The ticker's all right. I'm sure I'll find something else wrong. Maybe it's in my lungs. I don't, I'll see you, Murty.

Everything's good. I'm sorry I put you all through that. Thank you for being there for me. Okay, moving on, moving on. Let's talk about this. A couple of women stopped by. There's this Yes All Women art auction and exhibition that's coming up.

It's on Saturday, September 19 19th it's a fundraiser to benefit the east los angeles women's center uh there's an online auction uh that starts this friday you can go to yes all women art.com for more information on this but i had jesse eskenazi and uh rose mcgowan come in rose Rose McGowan, the actress, you may know. And Jessie is a writer and photographer who once did a piece on me, and she told me she was working on putting this event together. So right now, let's go talk to Jessie Askenazy and Rose McGowan about this Yes All Women art auction and show that Rose will be part of it,

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streaming February 27th,th exclusively on disney plus 18 plus subscription required t's and c's apply jesse yes sir ashkenazi well it's actually pronounced Askenazi. I'm technically Sephardic. Really? If you haven't noticed my Mediterranean nature. I know, but okay. Jew. Jew. High five. Askenazi.

Yeah. Rose McGowan. Not Jew. I have no truck in this one. No Jew. No Jew. Not a Jew. But you like Jews.

I'm married to a Jew. See that? See how that goes? And I had a female feminist rabbi at my wedding. Really? There's a, there's a few of those around. There's some amazing people.

Well, let's talk about this. Uh, yes, all women. It started as a hashtag. Is it still ongoing as a hashtag? Does it still,

does it still happen as a hashtag? It happens because as life happens, uh, these problems remain, right? Exactly. Issues come to the surface yes so yes it started as a hashtag um i personally was extremely touched reading women's stories coming in from all over

the world and intersectional experiences um in how gender inequality affects you know each specific people and in the first four days of this the tweets you know use there was about 1.4 million shares wow yeah um it was really profound and it was in response to acts of violence um that were perpetuated by misogyny in our culture um so daily it is infused and I think it's important for people to realize just how infused in the culture it is from, you know,

children during childhood development. Yeah. You know, video games. Rose and I were just talking about this. Grand Theft Auto. The first experience some little boy could have,

or girl, playing Grand Theft Auto and throwing a prostitute. Right. You get to buy a hooker, then you can actually kill her if you get enough points. Right. So that's your first connection with a woman sometimes. Yes, and that does not wire the brain well.

No. No, and rewiring, you know, what I really want to put forth is just a chiropractic adjustment for the mind. Can we hold on one sec? Yeah. I'm going to try to get them to shut that thing off for a minute. Oh, sure. Anything to make yourself feel better.

All right. So when I last talked to you, Jessie, you wrote a piece on me, a very good piece in a magazine. Oh, why, thank you. And I appreciate that. You took some good pictures.

And then, you know, you had this brainstorm. Yeah. This idea, all of a sudden you're like, I'm doing a thing. That's often how I react. I was telling Rose in the development of this, I was

compelled to do it more so than, you know, it wasn't something that I had to think about. It was more I was compelled to and I had to find a way to make this happen. What was it that sparked this thing? I've never, you know, in my experience growing up, I have never in my life felt as understood about these issues as I have when I saw this outreach from women across the world about these issues. The hashtag. I wanted to fuse a way for the art world and community, which is so often revoltingly exclusive, to intertwine with activism and actually benefit women who really need the help. So we're joining with the East Los Angeles Women's Center. So all of the art that's going to be auctioned in this event is benefiting these women who are survivors of sexual assault and domestic violence. And some of the artists that you got to contribute art?

Well, one of my heroes, Barbara Kruger, who is truly revolutionary for women in art and you know, found us. And Rose here is going to be screening the trailer for her short film that she directed. That you did last year? I did it last year. And yeah, it's called Dawn. And it's a powerful, you know, it's a beautiful film. But there's a strong, strong message in there about what we do to young girls,

letting them go in society while binding their hands with propriety and setting them forth into the world to meet maybe a sociopath. And then what happens? Binding their hands in propriety. Not setting them forth into the world to meet maybe a sociopath. And then what happens? Binding their hands in... Not literally, sometimes literally, but no, with maternal oppression, with societal oppression. And then what happens when you send a girl out, maybe your daughter, maybe your sister, she leaves your house and she's going out into the world now with no protection. And every single thing society and a lot of families have taught them is to be polite and how that can shift your brain and take away your internal warning signal for danger.

Right. It's intense. Has it happened to you? Yes, it has. Yeah? I think it's happened to all of us, to be perfectly fair. Everybody. There's an innocence to it initially and then then you have expectations, and then you find

yourself in a bad situation. It's not even necessarily innocent. Yeah. It's just... No, but I mean, when you say that you're left out, when you're misled or not led at all by your parents or by society, you sort of go out sort of open-minded about something. Like doe-eyed puppies. Right.

No, you actually have a feeling. You have a feeling. Right. Oh, something. But you know what? I want to be agreeable i don't want to be that i want to go with flow right there's actually an interview how bad could it be let me tell you mark maron pretty bad it can be pretty fucking it can be pretty bad yeah you know and there's a lot we can do like men and women boys and girls to combat this and just be aware of it it's really just awareness and it's little tiny things. Like from a magazine interview, the lead character in my movie reads a magazine interview from,

it was a famous actor named Tab Hunter, and he was famously in the closet. And he did an interview advising young girls on what they should act like on a date and what he wants in a date. And of course, he was lost. Right, in a girl's magazine. Right. And it was written by a publicist probably um no he goes i like girls that ask questions but not too many questions but there's a gay man yes right

who's pretending to be a straight man and he's locked in his own battle right so he has to be like over masculine where how'd you where'd you find that to be the seat of the kernel of the thing well i had brilliant writers and also i'm very i also I studied classic Hollywood since I was a young child. Obsessed? Scholarly, almost, actually. With tabloid Hollywood? Both, really, all of it. I mean, I actually have a lot of old Hollywood tabloids, which are horrifying.

And one of the things they- Now that's all news. That is news. No, believe me. Hollywood tabloid. It's got to stop. That's on my list. Yeah.

That's on the list of enemies that need to be taken down i've just some chiropractic adjustments yeah but it's no i think it's hard uh for for men to be empathetic it's hard for me to be empathetic towards them too to be empathetic towards anybody it takes a certain amount of of of open-heartedness to really i that's why our work really, and your work is important, and people's work is important. People that actually engender and push people to actually feel something, anything,

you are more likely, if I can push you and I figure out my life's work has been making people feel something, whatever it is, like smile, laughter, hate me, whatever, you've experienced something.

I actually have to say that I do disagree that it's difficult to be empathetic. I think that that is our nature. I think that is part of our survival. No, I think that's our- No, you guys have also been raised to not be. Right.

I think that is- You've had your problems too, the conditioning. Yeah, it's conditioning and it's learned, but I do think that- Yeah, but- Which is false evidence appearing real from what they say. I know that one. Isn't that true? Yeah.

Right. But my point is that that's how we survive as a population, as a species, is through empathy. I mean, and I, you know,

on someone's deathbed, they're not sitting there thinking about, you know, the mundane activities that they didn't do that week or whatever it is.

It is empathy that comes out in those moments and I think that's at our core. I mean, we were talking to a woman today who has been through horrors you can't believe the other stuff she was naming off and she said i've never been raped she's like i've been beaten with bottles

and i've done this and that in relationships she's like i've never been raped and that was like held up as a point of pride yeah yeah and and it's pretty fascinating that that has to be a point of pride and this would be a person that fascinating that that has to be a point of pride and this would be a person that you know hopefully this is who the event would would would benefit and correct tell me about the the shelter that you are are going to be giving the proceeds to yeah so it's los angeles women's center they're really phenomenal because they really have this policy that they won't turn anyone away so with the money that they have been able to raise through funding, whatever, that's all great.

But they have run through certain times where they haven't had money or they haven't had the resources, and they will go into their own pockets and drive a woman themselves to a motel and take her to Denny's and get her food and make sure she has somewhere to go, which is really different than a lot of other. There's so many. And there's not that many. There aren't that many.

Yeah. And their variety of programs is just, I mean, on everything. They offer everything. Sexual assault. You know, they go with survivors to hospitals. They take them to court. They hold their hand during exams. And this is a private nonprofit.

Yeah. Now, is the plan ultimately to get this happening in other cities? Yeah. Rose and I are talking about this as a movement. Yes, all women infiltrating. We're talking about in the future taking it to schools. It doesn't have to only be within fancy art circles. I want this to be global.

And I want it to be, and this is something men can stand behind, literally an easy hashtag, yes, all women. And if, you know, I would ask you if you've ever loved a woman, if you've ever considered a woman, if you've ever experienced a woman, that you would also consider that maybe we have had a different experience and we could use your help too. A lot of progress needs to happen. A lot of stuff needs to happen. Yes. And it won't take anything away from you. It's just going to make your life and people's lives more awesome. I don't feel threatened at all.

I like you. That's great, Mark. I'm just trying. I'm just using you as the... I'll be the puppet. You're the representative for all men right now. Don't do that to me. In this moment, Mark...

You're a representative. You have testicles, you're mad. I can't represent all of them. No. But all right, so you're going to host this event, the thing on the 19th? I'm hosting it. So it's like a full night.

It's like a variety show. It is. It's going to be an immersive experience. And a dope experience. Megan Amram is going to be there. That's great. She's a really good friend and one of the most amazing women that I know. She has this great book, Science, for her.

It's kind of a take on science textbooks. Yeah, it's a funny book. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is she going to read from that? Yeah, she's going to read from that. Now, you've a website that i i inspired you to do yeah mark kind of forced me to make a website thank you mark big ideas of like where could people go fine oh god but all the information is yesallwomenart.com you can learn all about the artists you can learn about the east los angeles women's center and can learn about everyone involved Los Angeles Women's Center. You can learn about everyone involved.

And we're really, really excited to push this further to, you know, art obviously has true healing power, I believe. I'm sure you believe. I think we all believe. There is a true healing power from art. So it's important to integrate that into actual, you know, the women that work at the Women's Center, they are the ones out there. They are doing the dirty work. They are working, you know, 24 hours. They are teaching volunteers how to counsel women on the other end of the hotline when people call in with an emergency or a crisis. Full range of horrors.

Yeah. And I've answered those calls. I volunteer for the center. That's kind of how this also came to me is my learning experience and the training and the certification to do this volunteer work you know changed my life obviously people will say that it's it's a cliche and it's a very true cliche that's doing this work will change your life oh yeah yeah being of service is powerful very so the live auction starts on the september 4th for the artwork yeah for the artwork is that on the good. Yeah, it'll be all on the website. Everything's on the website, Mark.

Okay. The World Wide Web. And the 19th is the live show at... Dilettante. Downtown. And also tickets are available on... The website. Yes, it's yesallwomenart.com.

It sounds like a good night. It's going to be an amazing night. Jesse is an amazing woman and thank you thank you well thank you Rose as is Rose and as are you Mark you're also an amazing woman Mark

you are and we appreciate that about you yes all women yes all women I just made a woo sound on the radio for the first time in my life woo

woo can someone get me a white limo woo yeah it's on the way thank you if Uber has it thank you if uber has it thank you guys let me give you that info again the date of the performance and the date of the live auction is september 19th please go to um yesallwomenart.com for more. There's also a GoFundMe page there and there's other information about the show.

So go check that out. I had a fucking blast talking to Lake Bell and I want you to have one as well. So here we go. Get ready. Me and Lake Bell happening now. Get ready. Me and Lake Bell happening now.

Now I'm a baby, so like I have... Now you have a built-in alarm system. Yeah, and my... A biological alarm system. And it couldn't get more biological because my boobs literally wake me up. Yeah? What, they ache? They are ready. They're just sort of like, empty me.

Yeah. Is that it? How old is this kid? Like seven years old? She's 10 months old. It's similar. They're both young. You're not going to be one of those people that breastfeeds in their teens.

One doesn't know. No, you know. No, I don't think that that is 10 months old 10 10 months old i mean basically you're at look i did not i'm a career person i'm a workaholic and i didn't think that you're gonna have one i didn't know you know really i i like the idea that i never thought i'd get married yeah and that and that happened too um it's great i i definitely i i felt like if I was going to get married, someone was going to have to like fucking like throw me over their shoulder

and be like, we're doing this. But I wasn't going to be like, you know, when are we doing it? Which did you become? I got thrown over. I got thrown over someone's shoulder. You're coming with me. A Southern man. You know what I mean?

Like I took like a Southern dude to just be like. Where's he from he's from new orleans oh that's that's nice that's like exotic south in a way and yeah there's a lot going on it's like it's on fucking country it's it's it's really fucking is man no it is it's but you go down there like we're someplace weird and there's nothing like it there is nothing left in this country that really has its own cultural code. Right. Is that what it is? I think so. It's a little frightening at first.

A little scary because I think we're so used to being like, well, I'm in America, so I know how to kind of do everything from pretty much anywhere. And then you get to New Orleans and you're like, rules don't apply. And you can feel it in the air somehow oh yeah and also like they're a very resilient city and there's a sort of pride there for overcoming all that horrible water and they should carry that pride pretty hard i think that my husband always says you know it's it's a very unique city because it's there's no concept of tomorrow you know it just is not that could go either way good or bad the it goes bad sometimes there's no concept of tomorrow let's just push it yeah and but because

of that there's no judgment yeah so it's like if you are awake at 10 because you never went to bed and you're hammered on the side of the road you know whatever it is sure that's just a guy living the no no tomorrow yeah and it's okay you know um and then everyone you know whatever it is sure that's just a guy living the no no tomorrow yeah and it's okay you know um and then everyone you know starts playing horns and everything's sort of like spontaneously around the guy on the street that didn't sleep by the way that happens a lot of time it does yeah the horns yeah the spontaneous spontaneous ones so wait so where'd you meet this southerner you know we we met um on the show how to make it in america i did um that was the hbo show didn't last that long last like two years there's about a bunch of people that were doing We met on the show, How to Make it in America. I did. That was an HBO show?

Yeah. Didn't last that long? Lasted like two years. It was about a bunch of people that were doing things, making pants. They were making pants. Are they going to get to make the pants or not make the pants? And then it didn't end up going through. They didn't make the show. We don't know how the pants fared.

Listen, a lot of people are like, did they make the pants? Like they stopped me at the subway. Didn't finish it out? They didn't. No, because it was very open-ended pants. How many did you do, like eight? Well, we did two seasons and we did, I don't even fucking know how many we did.

It doesn't matter. No one can watch them now anyways, right? Well, no, they can. Oh, you can? We'll go then watch. I did. It was the first time I was like naked. Really?

Yeah. On TV? Yeah, which I'm like not squeamish about. Are you, I think that the way you position that comment after i said you can still watch it now they're gonna go i know yeah is that you yeah i think that's how i did it was a plan you know what actually reminded me you said can people still see it and i know yeah like that you're naked profoundly that people can see it because i still get flack for it so i guess that's why i was like you get flack for it. So I guess that's why I was like. You get flack or you get weird emails like, hey, Lake, what's up?

Your boobs. Yeah, those. I get those. I get those a lot. It's less emails directly and more sort of like tweeted. But you also did connect that to, is that how you and your husband bonded? He came up and said, nice job with the. Great tits.

Let's get married. It was more. no he he came on uh the show shows about like hipster new york you know and um cool people doing cool things and and my character gets a tattoo and um my husband is a tattoo a famous tattoo artist famous he is he's like you have one i i only have this this is very new where it? That heart on your knuckle? That's it. He's a genius. Listen.

He hasn't done anything. People don't even know about that, actually. It could be a blemish. I know. Well, the other one before that. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the ankle thing? Yeah.

Oh, look. I did this myself when I was 14 in a dorm room. Oh, it's a cross or a star sign kind of so you did that you read a thing on how to ink like jail jail house tattoos and tattoo yeah you wrapped it like around a sharp pencil piece of a little like piece of like a needle and then got india ink from the art studio i was at boarding school and i thought i was being really hardcore. So I did that. You just sat in your room poking yourself with a fucking needle? I had clientele. I had a little parlor. At the prep school? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Big time.

Kilts and tattoos. So now instead of teardrop tattoos, they just have bad grades like C plus dripping from them. So you're on set with the guy getting a tattoo. Yeah, basically what happened was I saw him and I was like, okay, I'm listening. You know, because I saw him in the trailer. He was dating someone else at the time. I was like, okay. I didn't know at the time.

I was being very flirty and I didn't realize he was dating someone. And he gave me a tattoo. He had to like draw the tattoo on first. Onto your hip you're pointing to? Well, initially I thought it was going to be on the arm. But when I saw that he was a fox, I was like, I think it should be by my bikini line. And so, especially because he was like, I have to draw it on first. And I was like, okay. Okay.

This is so awkward. Of course, he is like, does this all the day long. Right, right. Like a doctor. Exactly. It's so clinical. Doesn't even notice what's right over there. Right over there.

Right next to the thing. Yeah. In one of those. You're welcome. So he sort of, you know, he drew it on and I was like, you know, secretly taking pictures of the event. Yeah. Maybe because I knew that, you know, hopefully because I knew that hopefully one day this would come around.

He actually, my line to him, basically, he had a motorcycle helmet. And I was like, all right, noted. Because that's actually one of my superpowers is that I know stuff about cars and whatnot. Really? Oh, yeah. You do a thing. Yeah. My dad, I grew up with my car stuff

oh really dad is a race he like owns race car tracks really which is like so you spent your at the at the track yes looking at engines so i was like so what do you ride you know i was like trying to get in there yeah sure man and he was like uh yeah it's a ducati Super Motard. And I was like, cool. You ever take it on the track? And he's sort of like, you're sweet. But like. Didn't you drop any engine knowledge? No. What's in it?

No, because he basically like, he said, I do it locally. And I was like, is it New Jersey Motorsport Park? And he was like, why do you know those words? And I said, because my dad owns that track. Yeah. Yeah, little man. Yeah, motherfucker. And then he was like why do you know those words and i said because my dad owns that track yeah it was like yeah little man yeah motherfucker and um and then he was like schwang right and we're gonna be friends for a long time is what he said really little yeah he said he said schwang we're gonna be friends for a long time i'm gonna i'm gonna go ahead and say that yeah i

added that just okay just now but you did drop some like track knowledge and like you know did you say like what are some words you would say to a guy who rides on the track like what's your time i wouldn't go that route but i would be i i think because obviously like i'm not an engineer or like i don't fucking know how to like i can't fix your engine for you because even when i wrote my column about it like it's more about the experience it's like kind of an experiential um relationship to cars and you know what i like what i think sexy or what i think's funny or you know it's that well did you see my uh my 2015 uh black camry hybrid across the street look solid car right gets you to the the the a to b my mother was not happy why i don't know what the fuck is wrong with her she decided that i have like uh

some money and i should get a nice car and you're very smart you got a car practical yeah you have it's got great gas mileage and i like the way it looks got leather seats the fuck do i need man it's right it's all you need i drove a beamer i wasn't impressed i can't tell the difference yeah i mean like if you wanted to feel that yeah if you want a little torque in your life then you might have to go elsewhere see that's the thing about the torque i took it out i've only had it a week i took it on the highway last night and i was kind of pushing it yeah and uh it was okay but it felt like it was like oh no here we go like like nervous nervous torque a little like a little uh a little tense about it like oh yeah no i i yeah there are some cars that are so confident with their torque

that i get nervous like i'm nervous right they're so grounded like all right you wanted this here we go so when was the first time you got on your your guy's bike and you're like yeah first date first date he was so nervous yeah it was the ducati and um do you have another bike too uh uh he he did but now we have the baby. He's like kind of like the bikes are kind of waning. Like we don't go on the bike anymore. That's smart. Just because it is so damn fucking dangerous.

Yeah, you don't want to die? When are you going to deny it? I don't want him to die. Sure. Any of us. I don't want any of us to die or get maimed. No maiming. So no more bikes.

So you get married in, oh, he's Southern. Did you get married in New Orleans? We went to New Orleans, yeah, and it was a whole. He's got a lot of friends with beards. There were so many tattooed. It was just like a sea of tattooed folk. And then just like my parents from the Upper East Side. And then like the comedy world.

So it was a really eclectic. Who of my friends were at your wedding? Well, I mean like Rob Corddry was my officiant. What does that mean? He married us. Oh, he married you guys? That must have been fun. Well, you know what's so interesting is like-

He got the universal church thing? I don't know what like credentials he has. I just believed him. But he actually, he was so generous and loving and sweet and it wasn't hilarious he was very very honest and real really because you great father and and and husband yeah no he's a solid guy i like that guy i haven't talked to him in a long time but you did you're on all the children's hospitals yeah like everyone yeah we started as a web series um but where'd you meet him

warner brothers we did what happens in vegas together the movie yeah so it was like cameron and ashton and then their like sort of quirky counterparts and best friends was rob cordray and lakeville right and then we had to in that movie kind of full on, like, hate each other and then make out. And so we had this, like, insane tour of sort of, like, comedy silliness. Yeah, yeah. Oh, so you did the, like, the junkets together and stuff? Yeah, exactly. We were just kind of paired together. And you got to know each other and he was like, this chick's funny.

Yeah, exactly. And then it sort of started that trend of like, hey, do you want to be on my thing? Hey, do you want to be in my thing? The comedy world. That sort of like, the comedy circuit yeah that's sweet because before that you were just like actress person yeah like dramas i went to drama school in england i you know hold on hold on let's just we're not going to just blow all of that it's not going to blow through that now now now we have to i have to backload stuff no no see there's a lot of things that we just blew over for

instance your father owns racetracks who the fuck is your father his name's harvey i've never asked it that way i've never asked it that way i usually love that he'd like the assertiveness tough jew yeah he's a jew yeah he would like to think of himself as tough we all do yeah there's a certain type of jew that's sort of like, you're not going to be the accountant composer Jew. You're more stocky. Perhaps there's some hair on the chest, not much on the head. Yeah.

He, he, okay. So this is. Harvey Siegel. But Harvey Siegel is lithe. Yeah. Okay. He's actually just for visual. Not stocky.

He's sort of a lithe dude because he's a race car driver. Like he, he enjoys racing. He's amateur race racer, but he enjoys's a race car driver. He enjoys racing. He's an amateur racer, but he enjoys that, right? Wait, he was always that? He always loved to race. He's a fast Jew. He's a fast Jew, and he's got a big old head of hair. Nice.

White. Still. He's been the silver fox since he was like 20. So he falls into the column of fortunate Jews with life and all his hair. Yeah. I mean, he's got a great nose. Like, let's not. Right.

No, no, no. That's fine. That doesn't count as a negative in the Jew columns. Yeah. The nose, you make exception for all noses. But having hair and not being fat, good stuff. Good stuff. Yeah.

Look, starting strong. So he married my mom, who is a 19 year old model really yeah who was at 37 so you know that's when he was 37 yeah yeah so he's got game he's got mad game yeah and you have siblings uh yeah i've got he had two babies with that woman yeah mama and then um he then remarried um when he was 47 he married a 22 year old named sharon and she's my stepmom and he had two other kids with her so this is like uh this is a like you know a fuck that jew like yeah like yeah like i'm just gonna do what i want to do jew he's one of those he's gonna do what he's gonna do yeah i don't know if you kids will understand

this but i'm gonna make some decisions that will drastically change your life. So you can get on board or not. Totally. I'm going to take off now. But, you know, he's like a workaholic guy. You know, he was not the most present dad necessarily and kind of made some weird choices. But as a dad now and kind of a friend he's cool grandpa

yeah he's a great grandpa good grandpa that's that's what happens right when parents are you know kind of made okay decisions when they were parents but then they become grandpa sure and and they're they and you're expected to forgive them and then watch them be nice to your child the way they weren't to you right and, and in a way, I allow it. Even dad, he sort of arrived a little later in my life as like, hey, you're doing cool stuff, kid, you know, kind of thing. Sure, sure.

Initially, it was like, you didn't do that by yourself. Especially when I wrote the car call, I mean, it was a little bit. Isn't that weird that they're so, I don't know if it's a weird mixture of selfish and maybe a little bit of threatened, that that sort of i think that narcissistic parents somehow see you as just another appendage of them yes and then all of a sudden they realize like it's not connected anymore and they seem to be doing something that i should acknowledge as their own yeah it's it's a

weird shift and i understand i you know i'm very respectful. Just thinking of my daughter, I'm like, okay, I don't want that kind of. Right. That pattern to continue. But even in, sorry, I'm going to bring up another whopper. But in a world, there's a father-daughter competition story at the crux of it. I know. I watched it. Yeah.

I saw that one. I saw your movie. Were you going to come on here before? Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, a while back. And that whole, you you know father-daughter competition story was something that i was investigating personally too you know i was

i like that movie it was a good movie you did a good movie i'll give you i'm proud of you good for you thank you thank you my dad was proud of it but he and he didn't seem to notice that you know there was some really he didn't notice the kind of he wasn't oh really yeah so but it's fine i mean i think it was no that's probably better because he would have taken it personally yeah and i didn't want that anyway right but what's that guy's name who played your dad he's so good fred melamed what a what a trip oh he's like such the classic jew he's that guy is he really that guy no i mean he's the nicest man. And the character he plays, Sam Soto, in my movie, he's a little unsavory. And obviously to be in the throes of serious competition with your progeny and feeling insecure about that is not that great of an actor.

My dad's like that with me, and he's a doctor. It's got nothing to do with anything. Interesting, right? Personal. Yeah, it's that weird thing. It's a narcissistic thing. I think so, too. I think it's also it's just good old fashioned insecurity.

Yeah, right. Which would be right. I think so. Like, did I do, you know, it's like looking it's for this weird thing. And I wonder because my my brother and my dad sometimes when they raced back in the day, you know, they would both be on the racetrack and that's inherently a competitive place to be. And,

um, you know, seeing my dad, even if my brother made a faster time, you know, he gave my brother a picture of them on the, on the track. Yeah.

And, and, and it was him in front of my brother, you know, on the track. Yeah. And it was him in front of my brother. The one moment. You know, going over this, yeah, this one little S. Uh-huh. And it's like, like father, like son, you know? Yeah.

And my brother's like, huh. You know, and I was like, really? Like, couldn't you just maybe. Give it to him. Yeah, just like let him have that. Like, what does it matter? And isn't it great that you're, you know, so that theme and that idea that your parents couldn't be proud of you for your accomplishment and actually goes even further, but actually in competition with you and feeling insecure about it. That is really compelling to me.

Yeah, I guess that their generation of Jews were the last ones to, you know, their parents were proud that they did better than them we want our children to be more successful than us that ended with that generation all right we were more successful but you little fuckers can't beat us right fuck you yeah that's interesting i never thought about that yeah because that was sort of the thing with that first generation of jews were sort of like we just want our kids to to do better than us yes and uh it's interesting it interesting. It's not dissimilar from like ladies in success, for instance, in this business and also other businesses. But like, I think that what you just said reminds me of how sort of women, right? We're like, why aren't there more women helping other women?

Right. Because women, I guess, have been successful for a littler amount of time, just historically. Women, I guess, have been successful for a littler amount of time just historically. So it's like if they've gotten to the point of success in something, it is a little harder and not as intuitive to like to be like, come on, kid, I'll help you. You know, it's sort of like you do it. I did it on my own. Right. Kind of looking right in that way.

And also like and again, that threatened thing. I don't think anybody is really that secure, certainly in the business world. Yeah. Unless you really get to a position like you, people are so, and I'm sure it happens with women, but I mean, in general, they're like, they don't want to vouch for anybody. Yeah. Or be associated, unless they really have some confidence and they're grounded in their thing. That's what I mean.

I think, God, you know, I think I've worked hard to kind of surround myself with people who don't have that problem because that's really a bummer to live with. Yeah, it is. It's insidious. Yeah. And it's just, especially what we do, it's like we're super lucky,

you know, to do it. I've been hearing that a lot lately. What, that we're lucky? Yeah. And I don't know if I ever really noticed it before because I'm such an ungrateful fuck sometimes because I'm so busy going like,

what happens now? Where are we at? Right. What am I doing now? This is it. I know it is. God damn it. It is good.

It's pretty good. But like the last three guests have been like, we are so fortunate to be able to do this ridiculous thing that we do. Well, it is. I mean,

like what would you want to, like what would you do? Like what was the other thing that you would do? You know, I'd probably, you know, maybe teach at a thing. And you, is that, I mean, in a way, look. Is that what?

Is that going to make me happy? Yeah. It's like, are you, I mean, I don't know. No, that's behind me. Do you feel happy? I don't know. Yeah, I'm pretty happy. You are convincing. No, no, no, no. There's a lot, I'm pretty happy. You are convincing.

No, no, no, no. There's a lot of things that are happy. Do you ever feel like if you all of a sudden were happy that somehow you wouldn't be an artist anymore? No, it's not that. I think that it's deeper than that. It's not about art. I think that if I was somehow happy that it would be something completely unfamiliar to me and it would feel a lot like jumping out of a plane. Right.

Yeah. No, I feel like that with friends who have been perpetually single. They don't want to find someone almost because to like what's more brave to kind of like date around or to like wholeheartedly be like, I love you. Right. You know, like I'm just going to fucking be scary and jump out of a plane and be like i'm all in like where do you want to meet me here or what like that's so much more scary did you do that to uh yeah i learned that from scott oh really yeah like that he said that to you because he's he's you know he's all tattooed you think he's kind of cool no no um no just from like neck down. Wow. Okay. But he also has my name like this nine days after we met.

He has a huge- Nine days. Yeah. Nine days after you met him, he put- Perfect example of jumping off the plane. Well, I think that seems a little bit manipulative to me. But if you feel the other- Hey, no pressure, but check it out.

You know what? He didn't even- I've known you a week. He didn't even tell me either. So he just- Oh, so that's cool. Yeah, yeah. So you grew up in where?

I grew up in New York City. Right in New York City? Yeah. I'm like one of those people. Was your mom a big model? My mom was a really successful model, but not to the point where you're like, oh, your mom's Jerry Hall. It wasn't like that.

But around that time? Yes, around that time. Wow. Yeah. Like, oh, your mom's Jerry Hall. You know, it wasn't like that. But around that time? Yes, around that time. Wow. Yeah. So your dad at that time, what was he doing that got him in these circles of like Studio 54, I'm thinking? Well, unfortunately, you know, my dad being more on the end of Lascivious was at a college mixer at Finch and met my mom. You know, he was a 37-year-old at a college mixer and locked eyes with mom and saw her and she was 19 and what why what was he doing in a college mixer did was that his thing

i think yeah just going he i think he was like he had like a you know a fast car outside and like he just but then you know then my mom who's like a like a consummate kind of nerd you know she's sort of one of those beautiful yeah a lot of them are women yeah who she's like she's a model but she read war and peace in an afternoon you know my mom's like one of those you know right sure um and uh she still remains to be so fucking beautiful inside and out and um has lived a million lives in different chapters she's sort of inspiring that way yeah um and yeah so he just was like, who are you? And then once he got to know her, he was like, I'm going to marry this bitch. Right.

Yeah. With that sort of that Jewish focus. Yeah, that Jewish focus. Yeah, you come at it sort of like, I can, we're not supposed to have those. Yeah, therefore I will have it. Yeah, exactly. She was like, you know, blonde hair, ice blue eyes, you know. Oh, yeah.

So it's sort of a waifu, sort of beautiful. And that lasted a decade. It lasted enough to get two babies out. Yeah. And that's your brother? My brother, I've got an older brother, Luke. Yeah. What's he do?

He does sliding wall partitions, like sliding doors, like sort of high-end architectural. Sliding doors? Yeah. He's got an amazing company that does these beautiful architectural doors. He's the door guy. He's the door guy. And he even says, he's like, I'm the door guy. He loves it.

In New York? In New York. Yeah. And you never moved out here? I moved out here for, yeah, I was here for 10 years. But then I just moved back to New York. But yeah, I went to, you know, as I said, I went to boarding school. You went to boarding school at like a fancy prep school to the Jammet school. You went to boarding school

at like a fancy prep school? Yeah, I went to. Like with the outfit? With the outfit. Okay. Well, actually, when I was a little girl, I went to Chapin,

which on the Upper East Side, which had the outfit. They're like the kilt thing. Sure, yeah. And the tunics. And then went to, I moved to Vero Beach, Florida for a few years with my mom

because her and her chapters, a lot of chapters. What the fuck was down there? She was married to guy um gilbert schaefer who's amazing he was my stepfather my whole like childhood yeah and he wanted to move florida so we went to the smallest town i mean like the vero beach florida is on the map for a couple reasons one the dodgers train there. Yeah. B, it's also a surf community. Yeah. And then C, Al-Qaeda trained at the flight school in Vero Beach, Florida. So it was all of a sudden on the map because of 9-11.

And that was not great. And now they've had to fight back with the, no, but the Dodgers. But the Dodgers. And then the Dodgers left there. And then, so now it's like surfing. I don't know. Yeah. And then we're like, that's everywhere in Florida.

How many times were your parents married? Mom, three times. Dad, twice. She's on her third, or she's out? She's on the third. Okay. Yeah. And it leveled off?

Leveled off. She now lives in the farm and, like, gardens a lot. On the farm? She lives, like, on farmland, like. Really? Yeah, in Connecticut. Really? Yeah.

Nice. She went from, like, you know, really yeah nice she went from like you know supermodel-y and you know upper east side and then supermodel-y manic jew and then exactly florida to florida um old money uh cleveland man um who was a wine connoisseur and um uh and merchant and then um and then now is living in connecticut with um a nice man named paul nice yeah it wound up with just a guy named paul a guy named paul and a farm and he's great okay yeah and your dad's on his second or dad's on the second but that's like my stepmother since i was two right that's sharon right that's my sharon and everybody got along no i like how you're just

like and i want it to be that way. I'm trying to find- No, there's like, I mean, of course, there's just so much like arbitration and like, you know, the courtrooms and- How old were you when you were like 10? I was two when they got divorced. Oh, okay. And it's just like, it was just a mess of like custody and name changing and-

Oh, really? Yeah, but it's like- It leveled off though and they were all, both, everyone was in your life. Now everyone's cool now i think it's like the kids end up being parentalized you know they kind of take on the we've got to fix everything kind of you know did you have that yeah my brother and i were like the hub of corrections the in-betweens the middle people yeah the middle and you'd have like a little little uh confabs about it is that the right word where you'd be with your brother's like all right so

dad's like acting like fucking idiot yeah and now we got to figure out how to tell mom exactly but there would be so much shit like growing up they would always be like this was what i loathe um is the you know don't tell your mom that i'm in town because, you know, there's so much like, don't tell your father that we're going to, I'm like, who cares? We're not like CIA. Like, it doesn't matter that we're in town. Who cares? You know? Well, that's the weird thing is, is like, and I know this is, my parents are divorced and they have been for years and they, you know, my dad's a nutbag, but, but there's always this weird, whatever was there to begin with is still sort of there. So all that shit is loaded. You know, they want to still feel connected somehow.

Interesting. So are they remarried? No. Oh, yeah. Well, my dad's been remarried a long time. But my mom's sort of like, so what's your father doing? Right. Interesting.

Okay. Okay. Right? It's like, what? Yeah. How can that not go away? Of course. How can that not go away of course how could that go away yeah mom's 19 and like you know what i mean i know i mean i just yeah i wish i was a

fly on the wall i mean there's so much that you know i started i start to appreciate it now you know that i have a baby and i'm looking at you know it's like thank god that we all have our babies kind of later in life you know it's like a lot of me and my friends were all sort of like older parents. And I think- How old are you? I'm 36. Yeah. So it's like, you're like, yeah, you're old.

But it is, it's better. I think that you have perspective in a way that's like, if I had a fucking baby at like 20, 26, it's just- Yeah, people do that. I know. And younger. So your mom was like 20? She was, for the first one, 21.

Yeah, right. Second one, 27. And then. That's a big difference between you and your brother, huh? Yeah. And the stepbrothers and sisters you get along with? Yeah, yeah. That is like the greatest gift of it.

There's just two? There's just two, yeah. I feel like I have this huge family. But there's two younger sisters. And then I have half, or stepbrothers from that marriage, the Florida marriage. Yeah. I consider them like part of my team. Even though they're not together anymore, they're still.

Yeah, because if you spend enough time. And you're still in touch with them. Yeah, totally. You do the prep school thing. You're smart. You're pretty. You know, you're. Are you modeling?

I in when I was in London at drama school, had a a bout of it just because it's the only thing you can do without a national security number right um in terms of making money and i was like i was you know i'm not i wasn't this live thing my mom was a waif you know she was a model yeah okay right i had more stuff and so i couldn't do high fashion or anything but i could do like some you know mediocre modeling gigs which i did and i remember being like a fucking like promotional girl you know like at like events where they give you some hair kid you know actually it was in england so they're like all right put this on yeah put this on hold this hold this thing tell people whether you know where the

louis or whatever you know and and that was you know that's what i did i was like yeah it's over here i didn't what drama school was it um rose bruford college of speech and drama why that one because they had a ba honors like my dad didn't like the idea of me getting a diploma so you know like what's that mean like it's just the idea but i know who cares right but the idea that if in case the acting thing doesn't work out, you know, it's like, I want you to have something to show for it. Like a Bachelor of Arts. Okay. So this was the conservatory that offered an actual academic Bachelor of Arts, which, by the way, we did jack shit.

And how was that school? It was great. I mean, it was like fucking no frills. It was great. I mean, it was like fucking no frills. You know, I lived above a fish and chip shop in the middle of Sidcup, which is like in England. If you said Sidcup, people would be like, oh, my God, how did that happen? You know, it's really, you know. And you were there for four years?

I was there for four years. Really? Yeah. And so those were my formative kind of college years was in England. So, yeah. But, you know, I don't know. It's one of those things. I don't think you have to go to drama school in order to be a good actor or anything.

No, no. It's just an endurance test at one point. But you do have certain skills. You have a composure. Do you know, like, if you, well, I mean, I think that's the difference. I mean, a lot of actors I talk to, when it comes right down to it, they have sort of a hard time necessarily describing what it is that they do or how they do it. Right.

But there are some cats that are really kind of, I don't know if the word is utilitarian or like they're just, they're working actors. They've got their craft in place. You talk to someone like Cranston, you know, who, you know, came up in the studio system. His dad was a studio system actor. And he's, it's like a job. And he's got his, the way he does it.

He sees himself as a working, like a working class almost. But then there are other people that are just sort of like, I don't know, either you have a knack for it or you don't and you kind of pretend, which is true.

I think it's sort of like an amalgamation of both. But you speak so nicely and you made a movie about speaking in a way so that you must have learned how to do that like my mouth is a fucking mess i have rolling l's i lisp and my jaw doesn't meet it's a disaster you're super aware of everything which is kind of amazing right like you're so aware of yourself yeah i can't stand it there's nothing i can do about it if i get a w and an l together, like howl, I had to say howl a bunch of times before. It's difficult. Howl.

Yeah, because my L's are sort of like W's. I used to kind of like have a semblance a little bit. You know, a little bit of that and then I kind of worked through it. Because what I love about the voice and why I'm so obsessed with it and what you learn at drama school is is you know that the all these muscles are workable like in the way that we do physical therapy to shift our body right um and repair our body you can you can do that with your voice and what about movement um and i love fucking move i dork out all this shit but so you you did though but that training means something yeah man i was so into it but i also was kind of a sponge for that kind of dorky stuff.

Sword play. Sword play. I did all that. I mean, just like rape your jagger, motherfucker. You know what I mean? Yeah. I don't get to do that as much anymore. Really? Not much sword play?

Not much sword play. But I did get pregnant, and that happens. Oh, come on. Good one. So you do that for four years and you come back here? So I did that for four years and then I went straight to Los Angeles where it was like, all right, kid, next. You know, it was very, I had just done Tis Pity She's a Whore, you know, like a Jacobean play. And then all of a sudden I was like, I did uh i got i don't know i remember i did

my first job out of the gate not many people know this is very horrible and i told um rob hubel about it because we did that show the shit show you know it used to be but it's a horrible horrible movie um called slammed and i played just like a booby girl who like with other kind of i mean this is like like with like girls who do porn you know like um where i i'm just like the comic relief in a and i'm horrible in it like i'm just the worst actor but you're like it's the first job so exciting i thought this was my mystic pizza i was like i've arrived you know what i mean i was like um but've arrived. You know what I mean? I was like, but, and, you know, I remember having, they wanted me to audition for like the girl, you know, the one that's like, hey, Chad, like, what's going on with us? You know?

Yeah. And I was like, insisted on auditioning for the like, kind of comic relief person. And I did this whole shebang and they were like, who? It was such a dodgy group of people. And, you know of course i got it i was so jazzed to be there and there was one scene where i'm like you know like we're gonna get your boobs to bounce and then he's gonna drop salsa on you you know i mean it's just like the worst like but i was so like unfettered optimism about it and then um and then shortly

after that i started to you know i was like a cocktail waitress for a while and then a hostess. And then I got War Stories, which was like me and Jeff Goldblum. And I played a journalist in a backdoor pilot, which became kind of a TV movie type thing. So that was your first role. And then you're a hostess and a waitress. And then the big break was? I mean, that's the thing. It's like I've never had. Yeah, I'm like a, not fizzle, but maybe like slow step up.

But you did episodics? I did episodics. I did episodics. I did TV for a while. I always was on a TV show on the air, you know? You're always on. Yeah, like Boston. Because you were good. It was like Mismatch and then Boston Legal.

Yeah. And then fucking, what else? I don't know. When was the first movies? When did you get tied in with the comedy people? Then it was What Happens in Vegas. That was it. It kind of changed my life.

Oh, really? Yeah. Everyone was like, who's this funny chick? Yeah. And then it was kind of like, or just, you know, again, I'm not like, it's like, you're not, you're clearly not like sitting across from Cameron Diaz right now. You know, like I feel that I am comfortably and so sort of like, I love the trajectory for me.

Cause I'm like, oh, I still go on the fucking subway. You know what I mean? And I can live my life. And then also i'm a constantly working person right um but occasionally get there like hey you're that yeah oh yeah and then you know it goes away and then it goes away and it's always respectful or you know it's like i never know what someone's gonna say they're like oh you're they never know my first name no you know no it's occasional only recently maybe right you know but usually it's just like oh i don't even and then you tell them like you tell them like um what happened in vegas right no yeah exactly and then you're just

like but they'll be like in another world and i'm like it's closer or made america yeah or something yeah and i'm like yeah sure and i hate when people say oh um what do i know you from right because i'm like well i don't know the you're i don't know what you like what your arsenal of itunes yeah you know right um you know yeah it's hard to answer you don't want to spend too much time yeah yeah so but when did the um like i'm trying to figure out when you sort of got integrated into the comedy world i think it's honestly children's hospital because what about david wayne sing you did a waney days yeah but that was like brief i i mean i that i only did one way any days it was really just children's hospital because what happened was you know i did what happens in vegas and then um you know corddry and i became pals deeply from that experience.

And then he started, I think it was one of the first people that was on Children's Hospital. Oh, I see. So you ran through that and then all this other stuff was sort of happening simultaneously, really. Exactly, exactly. So you did Children's Hospital and that ran for a while, years. Seven years. We're still doing it. All of a sudden it was like I was playing a comedy, a comic.

Right. And now you're like a comedy person. Now was playing a comedy a comic right and now you're like comedy person now i'm jack horseman what hot american summer that's like that's like a comedy graduate school yeah i mean basically yeah you're like you're in with the but children's hospital kind of functions in that way too like i feel like every year we all come together and it's like comedy camp right and we all get paid $7, but we're, we show up,

you know, and now I direct, I direct them each year, even though this year I didn't get to, cause I'm in pre-production on this other thing. But like, you know, and you have a big movie coming out,

right? That's why you're here. No escape. Yeah. We're not talking about it, but no escape is not a comedy. With Owen Wilson. Yes yes but so it's me and owen but there's no there's no laughs why'd they do that to you you know what i think it's

kind of smart casting because you've got it lulls the audience into like well shit can't get that bad and then it gets that bad bad it's so bad Like, the shit that happens is so level 10 and then 11. I mean, there's just, it's so good, though, honestly. Like, I'm so thankful that it's not, you know, the kind of thing where I have to come out and, like, promote something I don't believe in. Sure, sure. But it's fucking good. I don't usually watch movies like that, I have to admit. What kind of movie?

A thriller? It's not the kind of thing where all of a sudden, you know, we're like a family and all of a sudden we know fucking Kung Fu. It's like if Owen and I were married and this happened, it's like we're, it's kind of a mess. You know, we're messy. It's, you got to figure shit out in a way that's very hyper, hyper real. And the children aren't props. You know, that thing of kind of like, let's get the kids too. You know, you like know their names. It's Lucy and Breeze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, you know, that thing of kind of like, let's get the kids to, you know, you like know their names.

It's Lucy and Breeze. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They, they, you know how they feel about things. So it's menacing. It's just like, oh, it's so stressful because. Is there one guy causing the trouble? It's, we get caught in a, a sort of government coup. So like rebels sort of overthrowing their government. And it's something that actually was attempting to happen in the middle of, you know, in Thailand when we were shooting it.

So while we were shooting this fucking movie, they had to regulate when we did our riots scenes and stuff like that. And because it's Chiang Mai, Thailand, and it might have been misconstrued that something was going on. It's like Apocalypse Now in the Philippines. Yeah, it was volatile. So when did you start directing stuff? I had been writing for many, many years, but kind of closeted. I didn't want to be an actress who was working on a screenplay with nothing to show for it.

So you didn't talk about it. Never talked about it. Right. And then I presented this first script to my agents that I had co-written with this girl who I sort of like, you know, worked with and sort of got a, it was four years of work. And it was a college level course in screenwriting. You know, it was like great working with her. Because I was all dialogue and like, ooh, what if this happens? And kind of like improvising with myself.

And she was like, structure. So we were a great team. But then that all sort of dissipated. And she was like structure. Yeah. So we were a great team, but then that all sort of dissipated and there was like. Dissipated hostily? In a unfortunate way. Yeah. Because it just was, it was one of those things where I think there's so much energy when you work

with someone and you're like people, you care so much. We almost became too dependent on each other. And then, you know even personal life too and then once that starts to get weird then it's hard to think about you know when you make a movie it's like years of your life you know and if there was distrusting measures there then why move forward so i kind of killed it um and um but anyway so after that

i then started to write on my own i was inspired to write by myself and that's when i started writing in a world and i presented to my agents they then were like look you should direct this shit and i was like i'm not directing having never done anything before right that's really irresponsible right and i too, I just don't have the audacity to do that. And they said, well, then, you know, Billy Lazarus, my agent, was like, then fucking write and direct a short film. Right. And so I did. And that was Worst Enemy.

And it went to Sundance. Yeah. And did really well there. And then so after that sort of validation, I then was like, all right, I'm going to. You can do it. I then was like, all right, I'm going to do it. And then when in a world got in, you know, and I, I mean, the sort of energy. You know, it just was like. And it's exciting. It's a big thing over there.

Yeah. Yeah. When the buzz at Sundance, it's like, and you're in that weird little world with everybody in the business is there. Yeah. And there's stars everywhere that you don't know are there. It's like, what is that? Who's that coming out of the bathroom?

Totally. Like, oh, shit. They're just here for a day? Does anyone know they're here? But yeah, it was really special special and all my friends were in it you know it was just like the movie just fucking was the be all end all yeah I liked that movie

I did you know and I wouldn't say it I didn't want to have to be on and be like watch a movie and be like oh no it's a good movie it's very heartfelt and it makes you it's emotional and you know Dimitri Martin is tolerable in it

and he's great in it yeah he's great yeah and you know Cordray is amazing and very honest and Michaela Watkins

who you just I love her she's like one of my best friends and she's in it and Tig Notaro obviously and Nick Offerman and yeah

everyone's in there Stephanie Allen everyone's in there yeah Stephanie Allen yeah I mean Cameron's got a yeah everyone's in there Stephanie Allen everyone's in there yeah Stephanie Allen yeah I mean Cameron's got a little cameo in there

yeah Evil and Gloria you know I just threw up with it yeah you stacked it up yeah you're like this is

like a cast of stars I was just like yeah but I didn't even with Cameron I didn't even I said to her I was like I

you guys are buddies yeah she's a really good friend of mine and I was like I do not want to you know I didn't even, I said to her, I was like, I. You guys are buddies? Yeah, she's a really good friend of mine. And I was like, I do not want to, you know, I didn't want the credit to be there. Because I just didn't want to. You didn't want to look like that person? Well, I didn't want to like, she's genuinely a very good friend. I didn't want to sort of.

Seemingly using her? Yeah, exactly. And how did that movie do, Lake Bell? In a world? I'm just going to reset you like we're on NPR. So Lake Bell. Yeah. How did that film do lake bell i'm just gonna reset you like i'm we're on npr so lake bell yeah how did that um um that film do in a world it did great i mean i made 0.00 dollars congratulations thank you so much that's great um but it changed my life yeah i guess that's what you did in what way um personally or professionally i mean both i mean obviously

personally you directed a movie and it got well received and it was fucking beautiful and you're a rock star. Well, that, I mean, I was an actor and now it's like it broadened. You're a director and a writer. Yeah, it's like, okay, I at first was. You're a force. I'm just, I have hyphenates. Yeah. And I have justified hyphenates versus just sort of like presenting them out there in a kind of, you know, idealistic way.

So it says on your resume, you're director. And what did you direct? I did a thing. I can send it to you. If you have to say, I can send it to you, then it's a little bit, you know. I can give you a link. There's a little, my music's not cleared, but here's a link, you know. Yeah.

But yeah, so you can purchase my work on iTunes at all. But, and then I'm in pre-production on my next picture, but it's also, it's not a comedy. So it's sort of an interesting new. You wrote and directed? No, it's an adaptation of this novel that I love called The Emperor's Children by Claire Massoud. The adaptation is written by Noah Baumbach. of this novel that i love called the emperor's children uh by claire massoud and the adaptation

is uh written by noah baumbach um and yeah i know that guy i i talked to him did you right on he seemed to just he's got a movie coming out right now yeah but he just had one he's super prolific i am not i i'm really in awe of how quickly he sort of churns shit out and I'm always in awe of people who can do that because I take my time I'm kind of slow and he figured it out he's one of those kind of low bud shooter guys I know but then again

I kind of could do that too but I just have when I go and act in a movie for two months and I have a baby because I you know, I'm right. Because I have an original work that I've been working on for like five years or something. You'd really have to, I think you'd have to pull back from the acting. Indeed.

Indeed. Right? Totally. I mean, I do. Okay, so he adapted this thing. He adapted The Emperor's Turtle. I'm sorry, I cut you off. No, no, it's fine.

You're about to say something. You set it up with your head and everything. No, he sort of adapted it, and then it's Imagine Entertainment is making it, so it's like... You're just, okay, you're just directing it. Yes. So now you're being hired as a director. Yeah, like Brian Rezor and Ron Howard hired me to direct it. Who's in it? Jeff Bridges.

Oh, he's great. Yeah, he's the best. And we're still casting the other characters. Do you need me for anything? Are you a 26 year old girl who went to Brown? I can do that. Okay. I can do it.

Just picture it. Would you shave your mustache? Yeah. Just to make it more believable. Yeah. Not the goatee though. Something's got to stay. We'll CGI it out. mustache yeah just to make it more believable yeah not the goatee though i get the goat something's got to stay because i kind of will cgi it out no i just want to i want to have a little bit of me in the part well then you're going to bring your heart yeah this is a new thing i do whereas i put people on the spot to cast me and things on my show oh it's a new thing but i appreciate it oh sure yeah no it's going well yeah yeah i mean i've got nothing we're gonna have to have you come in

and just like me because you know the producers need to kind of it's not me it's just that no i know but but let's not diminish it with my uh neediness and my joke um where so you're casting i'm casting right now and but it's two there's two women you know there's two sort of young girls where's it gonna shoot new york city in the hometown do you know what you're gonna do now like as director is like you you're like you got locations going and everything's going um in truth i'm in the frustrating purgatory of you know being i have been in pre-production for a year and a half right um and solidifying your financing and making sure that it's stable and that everybody's okay. But that's not on you, right?

You know what? I am someone who's very much involved in that kind of stuff. So you're a producer as well? I am. I don't know whether I should get that credit. But yeah, I've been producing it with my producers for when we get cast. It's like it's me who's in there. If we have to do a rewrite, that's me in there.

But Imagine hires you and they're like, okay, this is the money we're going to put in. We'll see you. Good luck with everything. Use your people and we'll talk to you. No, no. Imagine is actively producing it. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. So they are, we're teammates very much in trying to make it all fucking happen. And it's just fucking frustrating sometimes. That's exciting. So you're in Brooklyn? I'm in Brooklyn. So you're there yeah and i yeah that's going into the city yeah i mean i try to like i'm gonna try to locations got as much in brooklyn as possible just easier to shoot there yeah you know because the city is just like a beast it's fucking nightmare right i love it don't get me wrong but it's just, I think, I don't know. I grew up there and I still enjoy, you know, being in Brooklyn and getting to see Manhattan, you know, from the other side of the river.

Like, isn't that better? You know, being able to kind of. It's not the same. You know, Manhattan's exhausting. It is. Even if, you know, it's nice to be able to look at it and go like, oh, am I going to go in today? Yeah. Or just look at it.

Yeah, like for a sexy date night, maybe you want to go into the city. It makes it exotic again instead of hating it. Yeah, yeah. It's like living on Long Island. Are we going to go into the city? Yeah. Different, but the same.

Did you ever live in New York? Mm-hmm. Yeah, so you know. Where did you live? I was just there. I lived on 3rd and 16th for a couple years i lived on a second between a and b for a couple years yeah my brother lives in that neighborhood well when i lived there was the late 80s it was like different no i mean he moved there like 15

years ago so he saw the whole shift smoke dope dope yeah dope crack crack yeah and then the weird heroin names yankee doodle tango and Yeah, my mom was always like, what are they saying? You know, why are they asking me something? Well, it's nice that they were asking her that she had that look. I love that. Like, that lady needs something. I know. I was like, why are you approaching my mom, this blonde, you know, shiksa goddess?

And did you say you were going to want to look at places here? Did I make that up? No, yeah. I'm trying to, I mean, we're trying to figure out whether they're gonna move back really move back i know but i i feel like i do you own the place in brooklyn yeah oh yeah all right so i put all the money in there and now i'm like shit what do you mean so you just have that place i i rented or whatever it was a big deal because basically by building we bought a four story kind of townhouse yeah yeah and then i Yeah, and then I birthed it at home.

What? So it was like a very important... Whoa, whoa. In the bathtub? On the floor. On the floor? On a mat? To be honest, it's kind of like, it's not linear kind of where it all happens.

It's like... You just go like, we're doing it here? Yeah, I mean, I knew I was going to do it at home. You planned it though. I planned it out. Do you have a doula? I had a mean, I knew I was going to do it at home. You planned it, though. I planned it. Do you have a doula? I had a doula and a midwife. Really?

But no doctors. Huh. Just hanging out at home. Yeah? Yeah. And you liked that? I liked it. You'd do it again?

I would do it again, even though if you asked me right after, I'd be like, fuck you. Yeah. You know, I'd be like- It's a mess, right? It's fucking ridiculous. Like, I had- It was a fucking mess. There's just like,

so it's just a massacre, you know, of stuff. Yeah. But also I just had no idea that it was like that hardcore. Like I knew birth would be insane, but I didn't know the aftermath was insane. Yeah.

Cause I don't know. Do you have like friends who are you like, cause I got it. You got, everything's got to come back together. Yeah. Nobody tells you about that. It's just, everything is so, you're like, oh, I'm injured.

Like, I'm an injured person. I thought I would just kind of like bounce back. No. You know, because I like, I like, I make lists. I'm kind of organized and I felt like, all right, I'll be able to kind of troubleshoot this new sort of priority shift, you know? Right. And it was just like, I was hit by a wave.

I just didn't know what the fuck happened. I totally was depressed. I, you know, all that chemical shit happened to me and I just felt like I would be, I don't know, somehow. And Scott was there tattooing the baby immediately. He just. Let's get some ink on, I don't know, somehow. And Scott was there tattooing the baby immediately. He just. Let's get some ink on that real estate. Yeah, exactly.

No, but he was there for the whole thing. Yeah, he was there. He was like my doula basically. Holy fuck. He's great. He was just like, he kind of, he runs marathons and shit and he's kind of hardcore. Yeah. He knows how to, you know, if we were like, you know, taking a hike and there's a scorpion

or something, he'd be like, I can talk to the scorpion and make sure that it doesn't come here like he's sort of like an uh like an animal whisperer and so i felt like him when you turn kind of into an animal when you're having a baby yeah and it's true i just was not even there i mean i was there but i i we actually had a our friend photographed the event. Was that a good idea? You know what? I didn't even know she was there. I just was like, I knew she was there, but it wasn't what I was concerned with.

And she's a street photographer, so she's amazing at being kind of invisible. How do you? Well, just looking back on it, it's like Scott was just in it. Yeah. And just there. And it's, it's, um, I, I feel for the first time I just felt bad ass, you know, like my husband runs marathons and he is physically a bad ass and I just don't have that. I just, there's nothing that's ever partially, I think why I wanted to do it at home was I just, I just was like, this is this is gonna be my thing.

You know, I don't I don't want to I want this experience. I want to feel it. I want to I want to be there. I want to I'm impressed with this whole mechanism. You know, like my body is just kind of operating like that's that's the thing about is like you get nervous. At least I got very nervous about, you you know will i know what to do and the truth is is like your body knows what to do the fucking it's coming out it's coming out yeah and my my midwife even said afterwards i was like i realized you never told me when i hear other people's birth stories like you never told

me you're six centimeters or whatever like i I never heard the word centimeters. Right. Okay. Right. She was like, well, I don't want you to start doing like birth math. Like if you've been working fucking hard for 10 hours and you've only, you're only at six centimeters or some shit. You're like, okay, I need to get four more centimeters. That means 10 centimeters. Oh my God. Are you kidding me? You know, like you would go crazy. Almost claustrophobic with anxiety of that.

You'd have to continue. It's too exhausting. But so she was like, look, my philosophy is it's either in or it's fucking out. And that's all you need to know. You know, so you got to keep going. How long was it? It was like two days or something. On the floor?

No, all over the place, like in the shower, the toilet, in the tub, in the bed. The bed sucks always, which is what's so crazy. In the hospital, the toilet, in the tub, in the bed. The bed sucks always, which is what's so crazy. In the hospital, they put you on the bed or whatever. It's like totally ridiculous. Really? You shouldn't be on the bed. Right.

It's not hard enough? No, it's just like that shape is not conducive to gravity pulling. Oh, right. Like, right? Like, does it make sense? You should be like. Squatting? Yeah.

I was on a little stool sitting like this. Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. That's when shit gets real you know what I'm saying yeah yeah that's why a lot of people you know deliver on the toilet

yeah I mean not to like get into it I don't know right I've never gotten into it we can get into it I mean I don't know this is like

no it's exciting I don't know if it's gonna happen for me so like hearing about it I don't think it'll ever happen really well how old are you 51 you can totally

guys are so lucky it's like my dad like he was like having babies like into his 50s yeah you know it's just so so like it was you got pictures do you look at those pictures i relive it it's really intense yeah i mean it doesn't it looks like it looks so of another time. You know, the thing about birth is like it's been happening. Yeah, exactly. And there's like in order to feel calm anyway, there's just candles lit and stuff. So it really looks like some of these photos look like. As opposed to like being in a hospital surrounded by machines.

Yeah, and bright lights. With people wearing the hats and the scrubs. Exactly. No scrubs. It just looks like, oh, I relate to this on a, you know, and in my home I have, I love like old timey, you know, all my, my mom's an interior tech artist. So everything's very sort of like antiques. So it really looks like it could be.

Timeless. Yeah. It's great. And birth is timeless. Sure. It keeps happening. People have babies everywhere. And by the way, I can't believe it because this shit, that shit is crazy. could be timeless yeah it's great and birth is timeless and sure it keeps happening people have babies everywhere and by the way i can't believe it because this shit that shit is crazy i can't

believe women are just like right now pushing babies out yeah yeah right now it just makes me want to like i'm like i mean if i'm yes i'm a feminist because i'm a woman but like the that i was like we women are amazing. And what about this depression? So you, like afterwards, the aftermath was just not happy necessarily. But the baby must have been like, oh my God. That part's amazing. It is so, you know, I'm someone who, I feel very at home directing a movie. Right. at home directing a movie. I love being on the front foot,

energetically juggling a million things at once, staying calm, locking in with people and feeling that experience. I love that. And that's my happy place. But when you are all of a sudden bedridden, you can't walk downstairs. Because you're in pain, everything's all beat up. Yeah, and you're torn. You are all of a sudden bedridden. You can't walk downstairs. You know.

Because you're in pain. Everything's all beat up. Yeah. And you're torn. And you're, you know, you're literally like you're beaten up, you know. And there's this little thing that is insatiable. Like, I don't know what she needs or I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. You know. I also, you know, have this person that I share my life with that, you know, can go down to the shop and get something, but I can't.

So it's frustrating. That's frustrating. And your body's just like a tool to, you know, every time the baby goes on your, sorry, I don't even know what I'm talking about. But look, I'm just going to say that when the baby first starts feeding yeah um nobody fucking told me this but you get contractions uh after you've just done all that fucking work it's like you get contractions and there's like blood and everything and it's just like and you're like when does this stop yeah and it's just like how can this be the new normal like this is insane is insane. You know? Yeah. Like, the idea of, I mean, I was in pre-production on The Emperor's Children, you know, in soft prep and development.

Yeah. And I thought, when in God's name, in the near future, will I be able to, like, go to my computer and be like, okay, let me just open up Final Draft. Yeah, right, right. Let me just check navigation and see what. One second. When are you going to have that tone again? That seems so impossibly far away and terrifying.

How long did it take? Still going, you know. No. I mean, 10 months later, it's, you know, I finally. But your body heals. Your body heals. And you get into a pattern or a system with it. It takes longer than I thought, 10 months later, it's, you know, I finally. But your body heals. Your body heals. And you get into a pattern or a system with it. It takes longer than I thought, though.

Right. And maybe if I was younger, maybe it wouldn't be as long. I don't know. But, like, it took longer, you know. And I still have, you know, especially someone, you know, I'm a little spoiled. Like, I, you know, don't work out that much. And, you know, I sort of enjoy the, you know i sort of enjoy the you know my body and everything and i definitely have evidence that i've had a baby you know what i mean on my person and that

you know is something that you finally get over but um yeah it's a shot to like i think it reprioritizes you know your vanity somehow absolutely i'm like i don't give a shit at first i was kind of like i am kind of a little bit i will admit a little proud almost of the like scar the marks that i have from my pregnancy because i'm like yeah it was crazy and that was and here is my evidence that i did it well like stretch marks yeah yeah Yeah. Well, yeah, but that's amazing. So, but you do get into a routine with it at this point. You start to figure it out. I mean, it's like.

Are they with you? No. See, this is my first time kind of this long away from them. It's a six day door to door thing. Okay. So, now we can come full circle. Yeah. So, your boobs wake you up.

So when I'm here. What are you doing with it? So you got to pump. Right. If you don't pump, you just explode. Yeah. I'm not a complete fucking idiot. I don't think you're right.

Yeah. I just don't know. But you pump and then save it? Yeah. You got to save. It's a whole rigmarole. No, I know. But you can save it for six days?

Or are you shipping it back? No, no. Then I have a freezer. I have a deep freezer. Okay. At a friend's house that has all the milk in? No, no. Then I have a freezer. I have a deep freezer at a friend's house that has all the milk in it. And so I transport it

to the freezer. But right now it's like in the hotel freezer and like I have to, you know, it's a whole thing. I mean, but in the morning,

yeah, you get woken up because you're just like Franken boob. Yeah. And it's just like, yeah. And so it's,

you know, it's basically when the baby's getting fed. So then you get plug yourself to like a cow milk machine. Yeah. And it's like like yeah and so it's you know it's basically when the baby's getting fed so then you plug yourself to like a cow milk machine yeah and it's like yeah right and just sit there maybe what do you do read the paper i sit there and immediately you're you're ravenously thirsty and so you sit there and drink i'm just i'm just like just drinking while liquid is going in and coming out it's just like it's gonna be okay it's just like. It's going to be okay.

It's going to be okay. I think it'll be okay. But if you need any milk. Oh, could you leave some? Yeah. I have my pump with me. Yeah, I want to have some cereal. I might have to go into your bathroom really quick.

Seriously? I would. Okay. What time is it right now? 20 to 11. Yeah. I'm doing like a half an hour. Don't worry.

Okay. Well, you can you're more than welcome to thank you I appreciate it there'll be people over for support if you need it my girlfriend's coming she can talk to you

oh yeah yeah oh yeah that's great I always I'm sort of not squeamish about it and people you know I just like

plug in and it is kind of terrifying to see what about the breastfeeding in public no problem I'm fine with that I just cover

I mean I cover myself I don't like bring my tit out you know I think it's fair to cover breastfeeding in public no no problem i'm fine with that um i i just cover i mean right i cover myself i don't like bring my tit out you know i think it's fair to cover so this is all gonna it's all good it's gonna work out i think it's gonna work out you seem good you seem out of the woods with it i am good i just um and now you have a whole other production you have to produce a decent human yeah i think that and and yeah yeah, learning how to kick ass as a director and also be a kick ass mom is going to be interesting. I have complete faith

in your ability to do that. Thank you. I appreciate that. Nice talking to you, Lake Bell. Thank you, Mark Mann. Yeah, what an amazing story about giving like a baby coming out.

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