WTF with Marc Maron Podcast - Episode 679 - Pete Correale

Episode Date: February 8, 2016

Pete Correale and Marc probably didn’t intend for their conversation to turn into an unabashed celebration of stand-up comedy, but that’s what happened when these two comics sat down in the garage. They take a warts-and-all look at the profession they both love, including their feelings about life on the road, grinding it out in the clubs, and watching other comedians work. Sign up here for WTF+ to get the full show archives and weekly bonus material! https://plus.acast.com/s/wtf-with-marc-maron-podcast. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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Lock the gate! Alright, let's do this. How are you what the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fucksters? What's happening? That's an abbreviated version. to the show my name is mark maron this is wtf thank you for listening i'm recording this during the super bowl that is not an act of radical extremism in any way it's so funny man on super bowl sunday like if i'm on Twitter or anything and I'm tweeting anything other than that, you know, people are like, what the fuck, man? The game's on. I don't care.

And that's not even hostile. I mean, as some of you have heard me talk about, I mean, I wish I enjoyed it. I just don't. Look, I am very detached from a lot of things as of late, but I've always been detached from the sports. And it's nothing personal. There's part of me that wishes I was wired that way, but I'm not. I hope you had a good Super Bowl Sunday and you didn't get sick. And I hope you enjoyed the commercials and the games. I have no idea who won because I'm recording this.

It actually might be starting in about an hour. I do this, you know, obviously the day before. So I hope your team did well. I hope you felt excited and electrified and sated by the spectacle of the Super Bowl. I hope that Coldplay was entertaining and the commercials were everything they were anticipated to be. And I just, I really hope it was a great American Sunday for all of you who enjoyed and engaged with the excitement of one of our national pastimes. And I know that you might be projecting a bit of condescension in my voice. It is not there. I mean, what do I know? What do I know? How did I spend the day today?

I had a wonderful guest over here. I don't even want to tell you who came over, but it's very exciting. I spent 11 to 12 to 1 in the afternoon with him talking here in the garage. And I sat on my deck and I had a cheese tortilla thing that I made in my toaster oven and thought about shit. And I realized that I was not asked to any Super Bowl events and I'm not complaining as I've complained before, but not really complained, just stating the fact I don't get asked much doubt. And I realized, I realized people, i realize i have a limited social life i realize that says something

about me i realize that i am a bit isolated in a way i do not hang out that much but i do cherish the times that i i am able to hang out like last last night, you know, at the comedy store, you know. Look, I got friends. I think most of my social life happens here on the mics, as some of you know. Today we have the wonderful Pete Correale, comic from New York, who I always like seeing and talking to. He's a great guy, very funny guy. This is a comic day.

Stand-up comic day on WTF with pete correale comics the beautiful thing about the community of comedians is that i don't have to have friends necessarily i don't have to spend time with people if i go to the comedy store and i see the comics that i've known for decades some of them some of them for years we hang out and I feel connected with my community and my people and we talk and we have a lovely time. And that's my social life, that and hanging out with the girl, the painter, the Sarah. And I was actually, about a week ago, I was like, yeah, I'm tired, man. I got no new standup. I don't know what I'm going to do. And then I just book myself. This is always the way it goes. I'm consumed with the work. And then I got to work

more because in my mind, no matter what you think of me or what you think about what I do or if you like any of it, I'm a stand-up comedian at heart. And that's what I set out to do. And that's what I make myself do. I have to be in shape. I have to get up on stage, maintain that connection with an audience. So fear doesn't set in. You got to stay in that dialogue. And I wasn't feeling great

uh like on saturday that was not uh it was not really i shouldn't have been working because i'm doing 12 to 13 hour days on set on weekends i got to do what what everyone else who has a job does and let's get caught up and do the book work and the shopping and everything else on the weekend. Relax. But I put in for three spots at the store, at the comedy store. And I got to tell you, I don't know if I can repeat this enough.

The comedy store is really the only comedy club to go to when you're in Los Angeles because it maintains its integrity as this weird dark palace of hate and humor to this day in all three rooms it remains perfectly authentic to what it was going back to its inception in the early 70s the laugh factory is why go there no reason the improv no reason just go to the comedy store so you can feel what it feels like to be in a real fucking place because there aren't that many real places anymore in the comics it's sort of the the inmates

run the prison in a way yeah there's management and yeah there's people in charge but you know everybody who's working the door everybody's hanging around mostly comics and it's it's just a it's just a beautiful madhouse of of comedy and weirdness you know and every time i go in there i'm like oh my god there's just part of my heart that lives here i don't know if you know how we live really comedians or what you think we we all are in relation to each other or how much we socialize or whatever but when it comes right down to whatever our presence is in the public sphere or you know what podcasts we are on or or what you think our point of view is, you know, at the end of the day and, you know, sitting in the fucking dressing room, you know, we're comedians. And last night I just I didn't feel well and I thought I was just going to go hit and run and do my spots and come home.

But, you know, I ran into Brian Scolero, fucking hilarious guy. And I hadn't seen him in a while. So we started talking. Tommy Rhodes was hanging around. I go back to San Francisco with Tom and, you know, he's here now and he's hanging around. In the main room, I brought up Sebastian.

So backstage, backstage in the main room, and this is like, backstage backstage in the main room and this is like you know there's no this is comics territory you know so it turns out it's like me brian scalero anthony jeselnik tom rhodes we're all hanging out talking in the back back room of the main room morgan murphy comes in hangs out for a while. We're talking about comedy. We're talking about family. We're talking about, you know, other comics who aren't doing that well. Shout out to Keith Robinson. Heard you had a little health issue. We all love you, man.

Get better soon. Joe Rogan comes in. Now he's part of it. And we're just laughing. And we're just talking. Sure, we're, you know, we're gossiping a bit. But, you know, this is my community. This is who we are

and this is where we have a great time just kind of bullshitting. And I hope people realize that, that despite whatever you think we are separately, most of the time when we all get together, we're coworkers in a way and we're comrades and we're having some fucking laughs.

It was so exciting for me that I got, for whatever reason, I got Sebastian laughing last night. It's like I still get excited about that because him and I, you know, again, we don't hang out, and we're sort of different. I've talked to him here,

and I think he's a very funny guy and a quirky guy, but, you know, when you get another comic laughing, it's a pretty, it's probably one of the best experiences as a comedian before we get to the conversation with pete correale i want to mention that his most recent stand-up special let me tell you is still airing on showtime and available

on showtime on demand so uh this is me and pete correale hanging out in the garage. To show your true heart is to risk your life. When I die here, you'll never leave Japan alive. FX's Shogun, a new original series streaming February 27th, exclusively on Disney+. 18 plus subscription required. T's and C's apply. It's a night for the whole family. Be a part of Kids Night when the Toronto Rock take on the Colorado Mammoth at a special 5 p.m. start time on Saturday, March 9th at First Ontario Centre in Hamilton.

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I know you know that, though. I even, listen, I was like, do I bring it up? Do I not bring it up? Now I'm two seconds in and I'm bringing it up. In my excitement, as you know, I'm such a fan that even way back in the day, I pulled out my old copy of The Jerusalem Syndrome, which I read, man. I didn't just ask for the book. I read it, me and my wife both.

I had you sign it. Yeah. And you said something nice about me and my wife. And at the bottom you go, one of my favorite comics. And of course, it's being nice. But then I go online, I i'm like 614 episodes in and we're just getting to the favorite comics now come on but this this whole thing like even being in your house right when it started okay you know listen man you know how i've always you're one of my favorites i've learned a lot from watching you from knowing you yeah early on you. Yeah. Early on,

you were like a guy that, that it was so funny to me because I, my, my sense of where you come from and where I come from, I'm like, what's this guy pulling my leg, you know, but,

but I knew you liked me and you were real nervous about it. But you know, I feel like we, we have a, we come from whole different lives. So I was always like, well, this is interesting.

I connect with this guy. He must have something wrong with him. I mean, you got the approachability of a,origine you know what i mean like the comedy clubs but but what but why yeah but watching you though was like um i i distinctly remember like pretty much the first time seeing you you're on stage at the comic strip and you're telling a story about passing a guy on the street who was clearly homeless or whatever and he had one thing to sell and he was holding up a copy of the game sorry and clearly homeless or whatever and he had one thing to sell

and he was holding up a copy of the game sorry and i was like well no one's doing it like that man no one's like making me think and and be more involved in the joke you know everyone else is like laying it out at that was a long time ago yeah but you were just and and just everything about you you're doing it differently and then of course i was with my wife almost since the first joke we were dating. And she was such a huge fan because of the cerebralness of what you were doing. And then on top of all that, oh, dude, the hair. You would do a bit and then you'd run your fingers through your hair. And I'm like, that's just exasperating.

And lastly, I have to say, as I'm saying all this because I'm very excited, one time you're at the cellar and you're doing a spot. I'm in the back watching. Yeah. And it was one of these, you know, smart, thought out, great bits. And it got a tepid response from, you know, the typical kind of crowd that was there at that time. And then I'm totally paraphrasing, but you took a pause and then you added something like, and then I said, suck it. Like just something so like that.

Yeah. And the whole place laughed. And then you go almost half-heartedly to yourself. go just checking and it made me go oh wow all right so i'm just checking what i'm maybe that joke isn't bad maybe it's just not right for this moment you know and and all this is vindication bro thank you you know what i'm saying yeah finally right from everything else when you're only at the time when you were the only one believing in yourself and then you're like barely but dude you'd be in places right going am i am i fucking crazy i mean how are they not getting this yeah but there was always pockets of people that

were really getting it if nobody was getting right and i heard you say once on an interview with someone's you know when i'd start to have some fans and then they'd come out to see me someplace like san antonio and they'd realize there was very few of us. And I'd see the disappointment in their faces. It's weird. But it's not to them, man. It's like we know something that no one else knows and now everyone else knows, man.

Well, thanks, buddy. No doubt, man. I appreciate it. But that's a good way to look at it. I would never have looked at it. See, that's the difference between me and you. I'm like, hey, sorry. You know, I know you came here expecting to be among a crowd of many,

but it's just you four. But I'll do this show. But I always look at it through the insecurity of like, oh, shit, they're disappointed. I'm disappointed. No, no. They were probably like, holy shit, we're the only ones here. This is going to be like having dinner with them.

Well, you were so angry before people felt this way about you that I figured you'd be more happy when they finally did see what you always saw i don't know if i always saw they didn't know how to do it any different there was no plan i you know i just my first assumption was that uh you know i i'm just i'm not doing it right maybe i picked the wrong thing you know maybe maybe i should be a teacher i don't know what the fuck i was supposed to do but i had no choice in my mind that was all you know i wasn't going to do anything else yeah and there was also always probably just enough people telling you and just just enough projects coming your way to keep to keep yeah yeah yeah just dangling you a little longer well here's another chance and also i

love doing stand-up of course and the thing was is that uh this i guess that's true i just never frame it that way that it was belief in myself. I just felt compelled to keep working on those goddamn jokes and to keep trying things and to keep trying. I always believed in stand-up. But you saw that Sorry game. That was like the first time you saw me. That's a long time ago. Oh, yeah, man.

When did you start going to comedy? Because were you doing stand-up already? I started like 95, late 94, 95 is when when i started i was a few years out of college i guess that's about right yeah yeah man where'd you grow up uh long island like and your wife is like an english major right an english teacher or something she was like you worked at columbia right research yeah very smart she's got a master's from myu i always thought you were an interesting couple. I was like, you were like a project for her. Yeah, like I read American Psycho once because there is a part of me that's into something like that,

but I couldn't get through it. And I remember thinking like, all right, describing your outfit for a chapter? Who gives a shit about Huey Lewis? He's got a whole chapter on Huey Lewis. Then I meet my wife and she's like, read it. You'll understand. That's the whole point.

And then I reread it and i'm like oh this guy all right now i know why we're doing this huey lewis thing so so she opened my eyes up you know i feel like when you get married yeah there's two parts to every man and depending on who you marry that woman's either gonna you know make the good part blossom or you know make the other part come out you know and so did So did you deal with both parts? Well, no. I'm just saying I married a woman that made me work harder, right? I mean, that's what I wanted.

I didn't want to marry a woman that let me be lazy. Or crazy. And just say, that book sucked. I didn't even get it. That book was great. I mean, not even in the movie. Do you remember there's a scene in that book where he's in the elevator with Tom Cruise?

Right. And he just feels compelled to say something to Tom Cruise. And he goes, I loved you in that movie, Bartender. And Tom Cruise is like, it was called Cocktail. And Patrick Bateman's like, whatever. And at that point, I was so into the book, I'm like, he doesn't even give a shit about Tom Cruise. You know?

Who wrote that? Brett Easton Ellis. Yes, you did. Yes, you did. I talked to him on his podcast and the other one. Jesus. So you grew up where in Long Island? A town called Oakdale out in Suffolk County.

Yeah? Yeah, man. But what was the childhood? How many kids? Full Italian? Half Italian, half Irish. My mom's all Irish, big drinking family. Dad's all Italian.

Yeah? You know, and my dad was an architect. He became a partner in the firm. Oh, so that's, yeah. All right. That's not a fisherman. No, no. My mom was an architect and became a partner in the firm. Oh, so that's it. Yeah. All right. That's not a fisherman. No, no. My mom was a school teacher.

So you grew up with some brains in the house? Yeah. My father always said, just go to college, get your degree. I don't give a shit what you're doing. I remember being like 24 years old, college degree, and I was mopping and sweeping the floors at New York Comedy Club for stage time. Oh, for what? Al Martin.

For Al? Yeah. Yeah. And during the daytime, I worked front desk at a hotel. Yeah. And then I go home and I change. And I did it for free. And the first night, first of all, I call my father when I get the job.

There's no money involved. Yeah. I want to pay for him. I'm like, Dad, I'm going to mop and sweep for free. And I get to go on last every night. And not once did my father go, what the fuck are you doing? What are you, out of your mind? He'd go, okay, good for you.

You do it, you know? Yeah. And the first night I did it too, Marin. The first night you went on stage? Yeah, the first night I'm working for Al Martin. I'm in the back of the queen. What a monster he was, right? A nice monster.

Well, no, this is a good story because the place, he goes, you're always going to go on last. And I'm sitting in the back and I'm looking through the little window. Yeah. And this is a place you'd come into once in a blue moon. Oh, yeah, sure. I remember you coming in too and you'd sitting in the back and I'm looking through the little window yeah and uh and there's a place you'd come into once in a blue moon right oh yeah sure yeah I remember you coming in too and you'd be in the summertime you'd wear sandals and shorts I know who would expose themselves to that level I don't even put my sleeves down in front of the crowd just my hands and face that's all the flesh they're getting from me it was so humid I was just sweaty all the

fucking time at some point I was like fuck Yeah, but you need the clothing to deflect them if they don't laugh at your bit. You need that shield. I mean, you're just naked to the world doing new bits with your toe showing. I don't know. You don't even know if it's about the bit. They're looking at your sandals. I didn't even think about it that much. I was like, I couldn't.

At a certain point, the humidity was just killing me. I was like, how important could this set be at that fucking place the mic was always broken sound bounced around everywhere so the first night i'm there and i'm looking through the little window and it's like two drunk kids guys left the only ones in the crowd yeah and i'm gonna go next and yeah and they come in and they go you're next get ready and i go nah you know what i'm i'll start tomorrow i'll just you know i? I'll start tomorrow. I'm just getting settled in here. Like, I got to learn my free job how to sweep first.

Let me get settled in. It's like, you're a joke. Look at me. I'm doing two fries at once. Well, you remember all the good old ones. Dude, what are you saying? I'm telling you. You're one of my top five of all time.

So my point is, Al Martin comes in and he goes, listen, you don't want to go up because there's two. Let me tell you, there's going to be times when there's only one. You got a college degree. You're doing this for free. You didn't come here to mop my floors for free. You came here for the stage time. Get the fuck out there and do the stand up. At least he made me do it.

You know? Yeah. They had, when I worked there and then even afterwards, they had a George Foreman grill at the podium when you walk in to pay and go through. And if you're coming to the next show, there'd be a line and you're seeing them taking frozen wings and smushing them on the George Foreman grill right in front of you right next to the register breaking every code yeah that to get to the point where I'd be on stage and like there's people in the front row eating them I'm like did you see them cooking them in the grill and they go yeah I go

and you're eating them? I don't even want you to get my jokes. You don't even deserve to get my jokes, man. You have no self-respect. I can't believe everybody's vote counts the same. Did you talk to Obama about that? That's ridiculous. You have a Walmart eyeball and someone else going, so you nullify my shit?

If you vote the opposite of me, I'm nullified. Holy shit, man. what are we doing and then oh then he had those doors with the sliding doors that weren't even real bathroom doors and you never knew if that fucking lock would catch i just remember one night there was like some drunky crazy girl dragged me into a bathroom and her boyfriend was outside and i'm like what am i doing i get my ass kicked it was crazy and like you'd walk in there and you never could move because there was people waiting holy shit yeah man just not conducive to what you were doing you started yeah yeah but that was the whole thing i had no choice there was no choices i'm happy about that no i know it makes you stronger man what the fuck would

if i would have started like you know five years ago and i didn't wouldn't even have to go go into a comedy club i mean i had to figure out how to get those fucking monkeys to like me yeah man they were not there for my shit no way no way man there was so much more going on than just stand-up comedy yeah yeah i didn't even understand what was going on but it was messy so you all right so you got brothers and sisters i got an older sister and a younger brother. Really? What do they do? Oh, man, my sister's big time in a hotel chain. You know, she was the head of sales at the Warwick in Manhattan, and now she's part of an even bigger chain.

Big corporate. Even, like, when I call her, I'm like, she can't, like, not do the corporate. She's got an au pair. What more do I have to tell you, Marion? They got an au pair. She brings her on Christmas. Oh, nice word for a nanny yeah and the au pair uh you know nothing christmas you know they they're in town for christmas yeah the last one we had she's german yeah and uh at one point the bread came out my brother grabbed it right away and i'm like you

grab it before i ask what are you a nazi i mean i threw but it's my christmas table yeah is that on me i mean do i have to watch what i I say on Christmas at my table because you're bringing an au pair? I mean, and we have to get her a gift on top of that? Good seeing you, man. Good seeing you, buddy. Dude. Like, that was always the thing with me and you is like, I liked watching you. I thought you were funny.

You had a good style. You know, you were like, there's a slight difference between you offstage and onstage a little bit, but it's good. You know, the professional, it's not professional disposition, but you've got almost like we all do. You've got a slightly amplified version of what, you know, yourself up there and your jokes. But I always thought, like, I still don't understand how this kid likes me so much.

I feel like we live in different worlds. I couldn't talk about sports with you. Yeah. And I feel bad about that, and I'm sorry. No, you know, I had enough people talking sports. I didn't need to talk. I didn't want to. Even mentioning sports now with you is like,

I don't need that from you, man. Oh, I can't believe you remember that joke. I know. See, because with me, you look at me, you're stereotyping, you know? Maybe I am. Italian guy, Long Islandping you know italian guy long island you know yeah maybe he's hit me with brett easton ellis and he's a fan of mine and yeah no but i always knew that though but then there was some point where i realized when i started talking to you and your wife that you were this sweet guy you're very thoughtful you got your own take on the world yeah you know you're not some idiot no yeah prisoner in the accent but does your whole family have it yeah i mean my dad is like uh he's a partner in a firm and

everyone else is like five or six other guys he's retired now living on the golf course all that but uh at the time is he living on a golf course yeah where eastern pennsylvania really interesting choice yeah so he came all you know it's the the mean family. Yeah. Who's got kids? Your sister? My sister does. You got one now? My brother's got three. I got one.

I got a daughter. When did that happen? A couple of years ago. Holy shit. Yeah. I always say on stage, bro, I say in the special, my wife and I weren't even trying. And when you're looking at a positive pregnancy test when you're not trying, I go, that's like getting a speeding ticket in the mail.

Yeah. You're just looking at that trying to backtrack a month. Well, we had to. How this happened? I'm old, Marin.ion i'm old how old are you 45 no that's all right that's the right time what could you imagine you were the kid five years ago no i mean no i mean you would have been like remember you were a little drunky you were fucking running around yeah man yeah i just feel like i'm ready to give this kid some knowledge yeah do. Do you love her? It's all right. We'll see.

But like that. Of course. What are you kidding me, man? It's unbelievable. I can't wait. Well, it's sort of unreal. She's so smart. If I did, I mean, she's Chinese smart.

You know what I'm saying? She's two and a half, but she's really three and a half. Yeah. Really? But like when you, like, okay, so you find out you're pregnant. Yeah. Your wife's pregnant. Yeah, she is. Well, people say that as a couple. I don't marry. All right, fine. Yeah. Yeah. Really? But like when you like, okay, so you find out you're pregnant. Yeah. Your wife's pregnant. Yeah, she is.

Well, people say that as a couple. I don't matter. Come on. Yeah. So she's pregnant. Yeah. Do you freak out at first? Like, what are we going to do?

Was there a choice or did you like, oh, just do it's time or what? Well, no, it was go time. And it happened out here in LA. We were out here for only like about six, seven months. So, you know, it gave me a reason to, you know, I wasn't. But the thing is uh it's kind of in the special too because we tried for the specials called let me tell you that one yeah yeah all right but i'm just saying because we tried for a while and we couldn't get it done

you know i ended up i went to the fertility clinic and you say that like it's a shameful thing oh yeah it's embarrassing it is why yeah i mean i know some men that knew in the moment when it happened man like they knew when it happened, man. Like, they knew when it happened. I said, I thought I had that once. I looked at my wife as soon as we were done. I'm like, congratulations. You went to cell phone or call your mother.

Didn't happen at the fertility clinic. And then there's kids running around in a fertility clinic. I do a bit about that, man, bringing a kid to a fertility clinic. So what happens at the fertility clinic? How long ago was that? All right, I'll be honest with you. This was about four or five years ago. Yeah.

And we didn't want to have, we weren't going to have kids. We were going to be a couple that didn't want it. And then right towards the tail end, my wife started to feel like she wanted to. Right. So, and you know, I was- The tail end of what?

Being able to physically. Oh, right, right, right. Okay, yeah, yeah. So, and I also was like, either way. So I was like, yeah, let's go for it. Thinking, being Italian, that if I said, let's do this today, by Thursday, we'll be making a shower list, right? No brainer. It'll just happen.

We're that powerful. I could just look at you, right? So then, yeah, it didn't happen that easily. It didn't happen at you, right? So then, yeah, it didn't happen that easily. It didn't happen at all, right? And then it was frustration sets in. So then we go. And then, like, doesn't sex become, like, a chore? You're timing it out.

And did you have to get into that? Like, you're figuring out the cycles and, like, oh, my God, we got to do it now. We got to. Yeah, yeah, you did. And then the thing is, she has, who has this with her insurance, we were able to go to a fertility clinic at the NYU Medical on the east side. Really good place. The doctor apparently was Celine Dion's doctor.

And it's so crazy because you're in there and you can just see the, I'm sorry, but there's desperation in people, you know. Sure. You know, they're like, they want it to happen. Different levels. We weren't at that level. My brother went through it for years before he adopted yeah years a decade dude heartbreaking yeah it is it is it's frustrating and the doctor that they got no bedside manner in there whatsoever

they're talking about like we're looking at the under the hood of a dotson here you know everything looks all right except for this one thing yeah i don't know if we can replace that but we might be able to yeah yeah yeah so and along those lines just do a few things to make sure you're very fertile when the time comes and then i take my uh in the basic terms just uh artificially i know not officially put me in her right sure so uh you know i tried to do a bit about doing that but come on man what am i a fucking road act? Well, I mean, I am, but... What do you mean you can barely talk about it? You're like, you did that thing, and then... Well, I just don't want to be bitty with you, you know?

I want to be honest about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, anyway, so, ironically, it's the night I'm going on the Comedy Cellar boat ride. Ugh. And right before I get on it, yeah, dude. I mean, talk about rock bottom. I was going on the boat ride. Can we get a drum roll? For the money.

For the money. Oh. Yeah, at the time. It was like 200 bucks. Yeah, you know? That was, like I said, I did it once, I think. And I was like, I'm not doing this again. Because, like, I had a mediocre set.

And then you got to walk around the fucking boat while, you know, a tell kills yeah yeah I can't even get people to listen at the back of the boat and then they try to tell you like it's fun it's not fun how many times have people told you that I have a good set like please

I'm just gonna try to get through that how do you look out there and what part of your brain do you like this is gonna be okay this is going to be okay? This is like, I got to fucking live through this. Like, so much of my career was looking out at rooms going like, oh, no, not those guys. This is going to be hard. Yeah.

Oh, fuck. So you're doing it for the money. And on top of that, when you do that boat thing, you could be having a nice little moment. And if they make a wrong turn and it's a site like the Statue of Liberty or something you're done man I mean you purposely don't go into a bit if you know they're going around oh there's the statue then it would the last time I was on it I think Quinn's on stage Kyle and we docked and he's still on you know how good I don't even think I'd stay on the boat of prior was in his prime I'm sorry I'm getting off this fucking thing, man. Are you out of your mind?

I never understood the logic of it. I mean, it's nice of them. It's a wonderful club and it gets the comedians together. Right, but what was the boat ride? Did they make money on that? Did they make a big bunch of money? I don't know that they made the money, but they're very generous with the comedians. There's one picture of the boat ride and I'm in it.

And I'm the one my my face is sort of darkened in the back and i can see me wearing my one of my dumb hawaiian shirts i used to wear all the time and just not looking happy nope nope so what so what happened that night so you're doing it for the money so yeah you know i mean it wasn't a pretty time and uh she called my wife calls up and says that it can't happen. They can't get through the blockage from a previous minor surgery she had. Anyway, it can't happen. At least they figured it out, huh?

Yeah, but then he's like, but don't worry. There's something else we can do. And then my wife goes, you know, I don't even, that was too much pressure. I don't even want to deal with it. Forget it. Yeah, sad times. Yeah. Yeah.

So. And then what happened? And we moved out here. We said the hell with it. We yeah sad times yeah yeah so and then what happened and we moved out here we said the hell with it we we took our jeep wrangler our dog and we took uh three weeks uh three and a half weeks driving our jeep wrangler from uh new york to la and the goal was to not go over roads where you do over 50 miles an hour right stay off the highway wherever we want to go i mean at one point we're in kansas yeah and we wake up one morning i'm looking at the map and i had just finished reading in cold blood the capote book sure sure and i'm like uh holcomb kansas is only an hour away on the map these are the sites yeah and we drove to holcomb and i checked out the

house did you yeah it was crazy did you did it feel like other people did that? Or you were one of the- Well, this is the craziest thing. What's the name of the- Truman Capote? The Cutter family. The Cutter family, yeah. They're the family that got all murdered in the house. So you drive.

We pull up Dirt Road to this little coffee shop slash gas station. Nothing else there. And I go in, and there's a woman behind the counter. And I mean, like a Stephen King novel. I go, excuse me, do you know where the Cutter house is? And she looks at me and makes a face but won't answer. And everyone sort of turns away. And, you know, being a Long Island guy, I'm like, oh, okay, what, are you not going to fucking tell me?

Like, you think I'm just going to leave? Ooh, they're not telling me, Jack. I guess we got to leave. We're going to fucking Google it or something. It's happening. So finally somebody else calls me over and says, well, listen, it's a mile up that way, and then it's a long dirt road leading to just that house.

But they're not going to let you on the property or anything like that. And I go, no, it's fine. I don't want to go on the property. I just want to see from a distance. Well, that's where it is. So we start driving our Jeep, and we're going down the dirt road. You are to the house? We're going to the house.

And now you can see it just like in the book in the distance. It's maybe like two football fields away, and we're just down the dirt road. You are to the house? We're going to the house. And now you can see it just like in the book, in the distance. It's maybe like two football fields away, and we're just down the dirt road. Now a Jeep, just like mine, starts coming the other way. And he literally does one of those where he gets in front of me. I'm going real slow, and he waves me to stop. And he pulls up right next to me, and he goes, hey, what are you doing? Where are you going? And I was like, oh, hey, you know, I was just going to check out the house he goes you're going to see uh the the house right yeah i said

yeah and he goes well my mother owns that house now there's a guy about my age maybe yeah and i go uh well listen i'm not going on the property or anything like that i just wanted to take a look and he's like i like your jeep what year is it and you know it's a 2001 it's got a lot of years on it man it's a jeep thing i don't know if you ever had one. No, you love it, though. Yeah, but even when you pass people, they do a Jeep sign. Okay, fine. Move on, move on. No, no, I have things like that.

I'm not like a man that does not have things. I have boots. You know, and I have moments where I'm like, all right, we're Red Wing guys. Okay. Hey, you got a fly place in records. You're a man's man. I know that. Okay, fine.

I'm just saying there was a reason why two men in a Jeep would have a Jeep conversation. I'm not a Jeep guy, but you know, I'm a, yeah. Yeah. I'm a nice boot guy. So you got the outfit for a Wrangler, for whatever that's worth. I know I thought about it, but you know, you're high up and it's not practical for me.

What am I going to go four-wheeling? Yeah, I got a Camry. That's what I did. It's true. I don't have to worry about it. But I like the idea of a Jeep. I can appreciate the Jeep, and I understand. So you're having this Jeep moment on a dirt road to go to a murder scene. Right. And his mother owns the place. And his mother owns the place.

Yeah. Exactly. And he kind of starts to take to me, and he goes, well, if you'd like to see the house, I'll let you see the house for $25. Right? That's nothing. And I go, what do you mean? Like, go in? And he's like, yeah, my mom will let you go in for $25, right? That's nothing. I go, what do you mean? Like, go in?

And he's like, yeah, my mom will let you go in for $25. Oh, shit. So, you know, that was weird, you know? Like you said, that was weird. You're driving down a dirt road to see an old murder scene, and now the guy actually says you can't. And you're like, sorry, freak, I'm out. I'm focusing on the fact that a man won a Pulitzer for writing about this area

right you know I didn't even want to go in there was four different murders in the house in different areas like was he going to take me to the radiator

where one was tied up well did he well that's the thing because you said have other people done this I said no it's alright do you mind if I just go to the edge of the driveway

and take a photo he's like yeah I'll call my mama and tell her you're going to do that she won't mind they weren't the they even bought off the second owner afterwards right so so i said has anyone

else done this and he goes in the summertime we get 10 to 15 cars a day on weekends up to 20. so he's making a living i said do you do this anymore he goes no because we used to try and do it but they would come randomly like when we're eating dinner. It was never a set time. Wow. So my mom just shut it down, and we don't do it at all anymore. Wow. So isn't that trippy, man? Yeah.

Did you go in the house? No way, man. I didn't want to be number five. Are you kidding me? I've done some people like, and then the dummy goes in. Yeah, just from a distance. What else did you see when you were driving across? Because it's hard now to get off the highway

because a lot of the stuff that's interesting, like towns or this or that, it's not there anymore. Yeah, no, absolutely. Well, we cut through parts of around Cleveland. Really? You pick some weird things. So you're in Kansas, you go to the In Cold Blood house. And what's in Cleveland?

Well, my wife, we left from her hometown. She's from Ohio? She's from upstate New York. So you cut through. That's a Cleveland? Well, my wife, we left from her hometown. So we were upstate New York. She's from upstate New York. So you come through. That's a little rough up there, huh? Dude, I live in a small town up there now. Where? Fredonia, New York.

Uh-huh. Yeah. I don't know if people realize you get up north there, it's a little hill country, huh? Yeah, it certainly is. Amish, quite a bit of Amish. And so we stop at a place, rural, rural rural and there's an Amish card right so uh is this outside of Cleveland now I'm sorry outside of Cleveland okay yeah so I take a photo okay and I said but we're using one of these nice Nikon cameras when I was we're really trying to

document it so I take out my wife's camera and by the time all I want is the black wagon and the horse by the time I set up the guys in the in the wagon so i take the photo so we go inside the shop he takes off you know we get up maybe a little bit of a ways and there's a railroad track and we got to go around him so you slow down as i'm going around them i got the top down i go to give a wave and the amish guy looks at me and he goes you could have asked oh yeah and i just drove by and i look at my phone he's just fucking i think he said i should have asked yeah what are you talking about i took a photo he got in the wagon whatever right doesn't he know what he looks like right very photogenic so then cut to about 15 minutes later

we and this is only the second day into a 15 uh you know 25 26 day trip wow you took that long huh yeah holy shit so like the second in, now we see some sort of lake and my wife's like, let me get a photo of that. This is early on, you know, you stop for a bird. Yeah. You know what I mean?

So we pull over to this lake thing to take some photos and she gets out to get a better shot and I turn the Jeep around. All of a sudden, the Amish guy comes clopping by with his horse, right? Same guy.

Same guy. And he's going pretty fast and I see him see me and he keeps going and then he stops with the horse right same guy same guy and he's going pretty fast and he's i see him see me and he keeps going and then he stops with the horse and he turns around and i'm like oh man i mean not only are you making the horse do this the horse doesn't even want to be involved now you're turning around you come and he comes up to me yeah and now his horse is leaning over the hood of my jeep yeah he gets up close and he says uh uh how'd the photo come out or something right right and i'm like listen i i didn't even mean to get you.

I'm sorry. I wanted to just get your wagon. You got in. I mean, he's like, well, let me have a copy of it. I go, I don't even know what that means. He's like, well, let me see it. And I go, I'm not going to let you have my camera. I don't even know.

And then Jackie comes over and she's like, what's going on? I'm like, listen, can you just move, sir? Can you just move? And I just kind of got in the car and I go, I'm sorry. I don't even know. And as I drove off, he's yelling, you should ask next time. It's rude. What do you think he was going to do?

Run off with your camera in the cart? Well, what does he want to do? What does he need to look at it for? He's going to go, oh, that's beautiful. Can you email me? Maybe. Maron, he's on me. What is he going to tell me?

Email to the Walgreens I got an account there they'll print it out for me you thought he was gonna maybe break the who the hell yes that's exactly

what I thought I mean if you're willing to turn around stop the horse and you're that angry it's like again it's like I feel like there's

an anger about you chose that and you're angry about it right right right he locked in like he had taken you had driven a while and this was like 20 minutes later about you chose that and you're angry about it. Right, right, right. He locked in. Like he had taken, you had driven a while and this was like 20 minutes later.

He's still clopping along, holding on to it. There's that fucker. I knew I would catch up with him. I always said, if I ever catch up with one of these fuckers, I'd do something.

You ruined his whole plan. He's still hanging on to it. Oh, wait, I forgot. He could still just drive away. Or run. Yeah. All right, so, okay. So what, but did you go to other places?

Well, here's a heavy one. Here's like one of the ending ones. So we had the dog. My dog was on its last leg. English collar. Yeah, it had a good run. It was like 15, man. Yeah.

Yeah. Actually outlived the expectancy to breed, you know? Yeah. To the point where, you know, you're like, let's wrap this up. I bought you based on the fact that you died within 10 years. I want to travel now, guy, all right? So, you know, you know some comics with their dogs affect their career. Yeah.

Because, you know, they, you know. Gotta take care of the dog. Pets, yeah, yeah. So anyway. That's why I got the dumb cats. Yeah, that's right. affect their career yeah because you know they you know gotta take care of the dog pets yeah yeah so anyway that's why i got the dumb cats yeah it's right you just get someone to drop food off and they're like all right take it easy that's a good move yeah you don't gotta walk them got it occasionally they'll freak out and have a few days where they shit on things but you know it's cat shit it's not a disaster yeah yeah i had dogs my whole life it's fucking chore dude i'm surrounded by old english sheep

dogs i grew up with hair all over me all the time there's just fucking hair everywhere and shit everywhere now people like don't you like dogs i'm like i did i did dogs i'm done with dogs are these your first cats like have you had any cats pass on you yet yeah but i missed it like uh like i had one disappear that was brutal i still think about him and then there was one that mishno bought me the first cat butch yeah that came out here with us but it was sick and i was in new york doing that radio thing and it died here and they buried it down there is it as devastating as a dog dying because i mean you know burying my dog was ridiculous well you know i i think like i don't

these are the ones you know the two i got now are like i think it's gonna hurt me yeah well i mean we had the music played loud, and then you went to check on them after we lowered the record player. Did you see them running around like a lunatic? I don't want to be around it. Yeah, you're going to be very sad, to say the least. Yeah, because I got those guys in the alley in Astoria. I've had those guys for like 11 years now.

I trapped them. They were wild in Astoria, and there were five of these fucking feral kittens that I saved, and i got these two out here wow and you know i've had them for that long so yeah i mean there and there's a couple outside here that have been coming around for a decade but i don't get attached one that it was weird one that used to come here like years ago like seven or eight years ago this one of these i don't know whose it was but i used to feed it it showed up like a like about a year ago. I hadn't seen him in years.

It came here to die. Oh, wow. Like this old sick fucking cat. I'm like, I remember you. What's up? He's like, not good. Got flies around my eyes. So like, you know, there's bugs and shit.

And I even miss that because I went out of town and the woman I'm seeing, she came over and he just like, it was no good. There was nothing you could do. He was dying. But he tried to go under the house and he didn't even make it he got halfway into the hole here and just fucking crapped out wow and she but she took care of that well they say you try to go back to the place you love the most well that's what i think like i'm glad he had fond memories of

me just don't spread the word guy there's been a lot of cats coming around over the years i had to put one down a one that i don't think it was anybody's, but I don't fucking know. It was all sick and full of snot and shit. So I trap it and I bring it in. The doc is like, yeah, he's got the feline AIDS, and he's got a pretty bad bronchial thing, but it's probably the beginning of it, the end. I'm like, all right, well, put him down.

But then I always wonder, is there a family somewhere two blocks away going, I don't know where the cat is. They're like, yeah, I know where it is, you know, two blocks away going, I don't know where the cat is. They're like, I know where it is. Yeah, yeah. I took care of it. Well, I don't know, man. They're probably going, I hope somebody did that for it, right? Yeah, maybe.

We got, sometimes we get the little mice that are so small that you got to use glue traps. I know. I had to do that, too. That's brutal, dude. My wife, I don't do it, but then she takes a knife, the adult part, and presses them here until they pass out. She kills them because she feels bad. So she does that before she throws them out. Oh, it's so sad.

She just presses the knife there. She can handle it? Yeah, right? That's it. You got to love a woman like that. Yeah. Or be afraid a little bit. She drew tears when we buried the dog, man.

What happened? So we're going cross country. Dog's old, right? And you may notice, too, with the dogs, you know when their asses start to stink? They get the glands up their asses. They get these glands. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, back in New York City, it would smell so bad, we'd take it to the vet.

And the vet would put gloves on. She'd hate when she'd have to do this. The vet would. Of course, the vet would put gloves on she'd hate when she'd have to do this the vet would of course the dog would too and we all have to hold the dog and the vet would put her fingers up there and squeeze you squeeze them you gently squeeze them and they drain out uh and it stinks so bad man and the and the vet has the mask on it's just so gross right yeah but it relieves the dog and the dog's ass doesn't smell anymore, and it doesn't, because it'll leak. It'll be on the couch, and it'll leak.

So we're going in the Jeep, and it's summertime, and the dog has this problem, and it's leaking, and it's stinking up the Jeep to high heaven. And we're in, what's the place in Arizona? Sedona, right? Yeah. Nice red rocks. We ended up in a nice place we lucked out on,

overlooking the rocks and stuff, a little outdoor area and we're like we got to do something about this and we're like you know we're not going to call a vet to come out here to drain the dog's things i go can't we do it we went online to google it right and my wife goes it seems that you just put your fingers up there the two inner fingers and the two outer ones are on the body and you just massage them and it leaks and i go well that's how the vet does it too I see it and stuff so she's like all right I'll do it right so she takes two plastic bags from you know when you have ice buckets and they give you the little plastic bag for the eye she takes two of those and she we have chapstick so she

rubs it on the fingers to get some lube going I take a belt and put it around the dogs you know yeah it's an English Cocker, so it's got a nice long snout. I hold that in place. And she sticks her fingers up. And she's draining, man. She's doing it. I'm like, anything?

And she's like, nothing yet, nothing. And I'm like, come on, come on. She's like, guy, I have my fingers up the dog's ass. Give me a break, guy. I'm trying. And I go, well, come on. I can't hold it much longer. And the dog's, and finally she squeezed. She goes, oh, I got it. Oh goes oh i got it oh my god oh my god there's so much oh there's so much

and we drain that shit out marin and you know back in the city every time we do that that's like 225 so anyone with a dog out there if you can stomach it man just lay down some paper towel and do it the road you learned so much from the road man now. Now I know why Willie Nelson's so wise. Right, bro? Yeah, right. He knows everything. And the dog survived it? Yeah, the dog survived it.

I mean, if it could talk, it would have said, thank you. And do you have a cigarette? I mean, come on. That's an amazing couple moment. Yeah. Yeah, it really was. I mean, talk about teamwork, man. That was something else, man.

I mean, talk about being able to go to the GM in a room, go, hey, well, we did something in that room that no one ever did before. Well, we've had honeymoons. No, guy, you don't even know. You don't even know. Yeah, so. That was a bonding moment.

I thought you were going to tell me the dog died there. No. No, no way. No, the dog died back no no way no the dog died back uh in new york uh back in um upstate new york and we buried it illegally in the backyard at night you know somebody oh really someone gonna get on you for that i don't know the neighbor might i don't know so we did did you put it down or it just died no we uh went and we had it put down and uh you know the guy gives you you put the dog back in a it was a big box from the

supermarket that had a lot of bounty paper towels yeah when you get them all shipped yeah yeah it's just such a sad ending right man that's killing me and you bring it back with its favorite blanket and we put it in the backyard and light a can i said um we light a candle every christmas eve and have a couple drinks and sing a few carols about a grave. So my old man, right then and once, he goes, oh, when I die, are you going to come to my grave and light a candle every Christmas Eve? I go, if you're buried behind my garage, yeah. Let's not forget the convenience factor going on here, guy. So, yeah, that's that.

God bless Ruby, my dog. You stayed out here for seven months? About seven months. What, were you out here on a deal? No, no, no. Once it didn't happen with having a kid, my wife, I'm on the road so much. She likes California. She always wanted to come out here, and she's like, let's sell our apartment.

We had a nice pad in Manhattan. Oh, that's right. You made some money, aren't you? You're doing the radio and stuff. No, not selling it. No, I didn't. But it was also like, was getting i mean it was it was tough to keep up the monthly nut on that let's talk about ultimately what happened because

like i left new york before you really started to get your you know legs i think a little bit yeah you really seem like sometimes you'd be there and sometimes you wouldn't i mean you're also you'd have various hairdos what you know very few men have drastic different hairdos it was a mistake you gotta commit to a hairdo. I mean, John Mayer didn't even know. I used to say, no. I'm like, dude, you're like the Marc Maron of musicians, man. Just trying to find it.

Find it. Find it. All 30 years. Yeah. And I finally leveled off on the little goatee and shit. But I'm growing this out now, not because of fashion. I'm going to shoot another season of my show. Which is great, dude.

Thanks, buddy. And there's a reason that I've got to look disheveled so I'm gonna let this go as long as I can handle it no when I saw you in Montreal a few years back it was like wow he is like just there where he's where he was supposed to be he was so in your own skin and I wasn't there the year that you gave the commencement speech but somebody somebody told me where to get a transcribe. And I can't tell you. I felt like you were talking to me. I mean, right up to the waffle, knowing if I get up,

I can go get the waffle right now. And just this whole feeling of knowing I'm in this dumpy hotel in the middle of nowhere, and I'm really, really good at what I do. And it's like crazy that no one's seen this yet, man. It's heartbreaking. Yeah, that that was tough that speech is like choked up and like you know everyone in the industry's there and i'm like about to cry and i had to turn around pull my shit together don't cry you can cry but not too much man but that was a real comic speech man like you know you gotta be a comic to understand that yeah yeah that's who i wrote it

for you know i mean i i'm very grateful to uh to the comedy community in some weird way you know because like it's weird you know as far out as i got and however hostile i became or whatever other people thought of me i don't think i was that horrible to people i was just i just had personality problems but you know you get when it when it got dark and everything fucking was closing in on me and i was able to turn it around by some fucking miracle of cosmic timing and persistence you know i i just you know those that's my community there's nobody else what if it's not the jews it's not you know i don't have this like circle of friends it's all the fucking gypsies and weirdos that we like spend our life with so i'm like this is the i owe it to them i mean that's why i did the podcast at the beginning

i'm like because the great thing about doing it was like i talked to guys we know you know at the beginning it was all comics because you know and then i you know then i kind of ran out of people i knew though but it was sort of like the greatest thing that people said was you know comics would come up to me like yeah i hadn't heard from that guy in a while it was good to hear from i know what he was up to so it was almost like this weird service i was providing for people you know in young comics who never heard a tell talk for a minute i'd known to tell for 20 years i'd never never talked to him for more than three minutes right have you ever talked to him for more we drink you might have talked to him for more than three minutes but with me i consider him a pretty close friend, but it's always like, what? Yes.

Yeah. Okay. And then it's like, all right, good to see you, Dave. Yeah. And when I talked to him for an hour, I was like, oh, my God. I just talked to him for an hour in the daytime. My God, man. What was that like?

You're right. It was a huge, like, for me, it was a huge deal. I have these weird moments where I'm like, this is insane. Because you don't know, nobody knows anything about him, man. It's like, you know, even from his act, you don't know anything. I mean, one time, me and another comedian drank with him for a couple of hours, and then he left, and I remember, I forget who was with me,

but the other comic looks at me and goes, do you believe we just out-drank a tell? And I go, what, are you kidding me? It's just time for Dave to drink alone. You know what I mean? He's had enough. Yeah, he cannot hold off with the social skills for me and you any longer, man. And that was the longest again. I mean, you and him were the kind of guys in Colin where I would, you guys could get

in my head. Like, I'd go home, I'd tell my wife, I mean, what do you think they meant by that? You know? Just really, you know, or Tell would call up and say, hey, do you do a bit like this? And he knows you don't. And he knows I didn't. And even if I did, you give a shit if Pete Correale is six years in. I love those calls.

That means he likes you. That's his way of saying, hi, how you been? Exactly. Oh, man. But like, yeah, I guess I was in and out. And then you were doing spots at the Cellar. But what happened for you? How did it turn out? Well, I was always nose to and then you were you're doing spots at the cellar but what's what happened for you how did it turn out well I was always nose nose to the grindstone man I was always

you know I passed the cellar early on and uh I was never the kind of guy that like self-promote or anything I would just write the bits work on the craft and then I remember about I don't know 10 years in or so my manager at the time was like she, you know, what about doing a half hour for Comedy Central? And I said, what about doing an hour? I think I can do an hour. Yeah. So I went to a club. 15 years in.

Yeah, yeah. But never having done a half hour or anything. And I had done like a Tonight Show or Letterman, and I handed it in, and I got an hour. So I did that. And, you know, well-received, but, you know, got me in the clubs. And just, you know, then that whole nother level of eight, nine years of grinding at these clubs,

just playing them all. Like, you know, so much of why he was speaking to me in that speech, just funny bone here and this one there. And, and just like, it's nice that they worked yet.

Like I had a hard time even getting traction in those places. Well, again, you, some of the other ones I've, I've been in situations where I'm like, there's no way you could say this to Marin and he would not blow his fucking top. How did, how like did he, like I remember being in a club, I don't want to name names, but I'm in Ohio.

And after the show, it's one of those places where they drive you back to the, at least to the hotel. I only did one condo joint ever. And I go in and the guy's in his office and I go, and the guy who picked me up was a guy named Matt. So I go to the guy running the club. I go, hey, is Matt here? And he goes, no, Matt's done for the day, Pete. He went home. He's done for the night.

I go, oh, I'm just looking for a ride back to the hotel now. And he's like, right, okay. And when we have a moment and we're done, we'll give you a ride back to the hotel. I'm like, I'm just another cog. I'm just another cog in the machine. There's no, you're a little above anything because you're the comic here, you know?

And I was headlining and he was mad at me. So I'm sitting there like a yo-yo leaning against the wall, just waiting for a ride. And then people that were lingering around to have a drink, they're like, oh my God, I don't even think the comedian, I think he wants to go home. I remember one of them going, you need a ride?

I'm like, no, I'm good, I'm good,'m good i'm good so you know you know and again i mean i'm like i would be in moments like that and i even tell my wife when something like that would happen i'm like you just can't tell me guys like marin is one the palo is another there's no way they're gonna go okay i'll stand over here so i'm like i wonder how before you know you really hit how you compensate sometimes for them well my thing was is it that I never quite understood that it was a business. I never understood when you were playing a club that the idea was you'd like to come back. I'm like, I'm going to do what I'm going to do, and we'll see what happens. I was never that diplomatic.

I was never that pleasant until later. And I started to realize, oh, the idea is you build a little following and you you make them want to have you back you know i was just such a it wasn't even a prima donna thing i just was very kind of aggravated and entitled by it and then you'd have to deal with club owners that want to hang out you know i don't know what's worse the guy who's trying to you know you put you in your place or the guy that's sort of like we're going to the club and i'm like oh i don't i don't know if i can talk to you that long and you know you have to go because you're not in enough to say no i don't want to go yeah i just thought well when i did

drugs and shit that was easier because at least you could drink and stuff but i've never been a guy that just has a casual conversation with the club owner and i i remember one time yeah one time like it was weird because like i never really quite put it into perspective you know like uh i was in uh well everyone's dead now so i guess i could talk about i was in tempe or yeah yeah improv back when dan murr was running the place and i was working with hedberg and murr wanted to go out and drink and i just thought like oh let's go out and drink and you know i'm trying to get hedberg out of his room and he's not answering we're pounding and uh and he's like what so you want to go hang out with the with the manager of the club yeah yeah and I'm like no I never thought about it that way I guess I don't really but I ended up going he didn't go and I felt like such a fucking like he implied that I was kissing his ass but I just wanted to drink but they just

it's just the numbers that's all and if it's just the numbers. That's all. And if it's just the numbers and if it's just who's drawing and who's not, then aren't you kind of just a rental hall man? Come on. There's got to.

Well, that's it. But that's what Hawkins said to me. He said, we're in the drink selling business. It's not, you know, that's what we're doing. We work in the restaurant business. And I never quite put that together.

But when he told me on this show, it's like, we work in the restaurant and bar business yeah it's a bar and restaurant business i'm like really no it's not it's no that's what it is yeah it's about us first and foremost isn't it no no it's a horrible lesson to learn because i never thought of myself as an entertainer i never was like you know i'm gonna entertain these people i'm like no i'm gonna drag them through something yeah and hopefully we all get through it all right. Yeah. Yeah, that's true, man. I mean, yeah, you're never the kind of one going,

ooh, was I the one who felt the boat shake right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not doing no cruise act up there, man. But I never, like, fortunately, I never made, there was no way I could make myself available for that, even if I wanted to, even if I tried. No way, man. So, all right. So you kind of hammered out.

You do the hour. Yeah. You know, hit the road. I don't know, man. Always kind of under the radar. I've had a few of the various sitcom opportunities. You know, last year got to a point where I sold. We wrote a sitcom script for CBS.

But here's a doozy, man. Yeah. So I move upstate a couple of years ago and just, you know, trying everything. You bought the house? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, great. It's upstate New York. I mean, to give you an example, it's an old Victorian and I do love it.

That's great. But this is so funny. Like my father-in-law is retired. He worked in a steel plant. He's retired. Yeah. He's got a gold watch, all that stuff. Hard working man.

And my dad did well, but white collar much more. So my dad and my father-in-law and a few of us are standing at the foot of my driveway. I bought the house. Now I'm having people. My dad's got a glass of wine. It's a big old Victorian. And next to my house is a nice house,

but significantly smaller. So we're all chatting. And somebody, I think it was my father, but somebody goes, oh, I see that house is for sale, the one next to you. How much is that going for? And I think it was going for literally somebody goes oh i see that house is for sale the one next to you how much is that going for and i think it was going for like literally like 120 000 and my wife goes oh 120 000 and my father goes jesus christ i'll take two right so then when i pull messiah good dad what

are you doing he goes i'm sorry i just holy shit i mean are you kidding me right here with a price so i mean to put in perspective about my i mean a parking ticket where i live is seven dollars on main street seven dollars what are we doing this is how far is it from the city seven and a half hours yeah dude i had to get that far away you know starting to see some uh you know just a lot going on in the city i was losing my creative vibe i got all i could out of playing those clubs yeah you get tired we're drinking too much probably well no just just you know uh flavored a month it's the cafeteria popularity this one's this and this one's that and like i would come home and it would it would mess with my creativity because you started judging yourself against you know shit yeah

outside things i needed to get away from all that my wife wanted out of the city anyway and i was on the road so much. But it's hard not to feel like a small town after a certain point. And if you're just a guy sitting at the table and you're feeling like it's passing you by because your own insecurities are fucking with your head. Yes. You got to get away. Like when I left New York, I'm like, thank fucking God.

Because people are like, why don't you live there? I'm like, there's nothing to do there. Yeah, there's really not. I mean, what are you going to do there? I mean, there's the two clubs. Yeah. And then you don't even know if she's going to give you spots on a Saturday. Yeah, there's really not. I mean, what are you going to do there? I mean, there's the two clubs. Yeah. And then you don't even know if she's going to give you spots on a Saturday. Yeah, no, you know.

You know, that freaks you out. And then when I wouldn't get spots, I'd walk by and look at the board and see who's there. What the fuck? No, luckily it would be like, you, Geraldo, DePaul. And I'd be like, okay, okay, I'm cool. They're all in town. What are you going to do? What are you going to do?

So what was the first special? You know, it was about my life at the time. That's all you can do, right? Yeah, when I started playing the cello, even if I had a new bit about topical stuff, there was too many guys doing that stuff better than I ever would. Well, that's why I quit. And more committed to it, too.

I quit doing that shit. Yeah. You got to talk about yourself. Just stick to your life. And then you go out on the road, and you're able to sort of break new shit out there, I guess, huh? Yeah, yeah. And that would freak me out at first, because like living in a small town i would like for the

first like literally six months my wife would catch me going online checking the lineup at the comedy cellar i'm living seven and a half hours away and i'm like they're all like they're all getting better they're all fucking getting what am i doing you know and i would go on the road and i would try a new beat, and it wouldn't work. And it was such a hassle to get 200 people back on your side, where at the cellar, you could go, hey, you didn't like that? Don't worry. Norton's up after me.

He'll get this puppy back on track. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm out of here. I got to catch a movie. Right? So this is a whole different thing, you know? You got to wedge it in. Yeah, you know?

I asked Brewer for advice. You know, certain guys in Brewer's like, when I want to get him back, you know? You got to wedge it in. Yeah, you know? I asked Brewer for advice. Certain guys in Brewer's like, when I want to get him back, I know I can just always do the goat noise and we re-level. Or like Catan does. No, not Catan. I saw Rob Schneider. He'll yell out, I'm winning, I'm winning, which is from one of his movies. Right. And it just resets.

I'm not famous enough. I don't have a reset thing, you know? I can't do the noise and some shit. Yeah. So I got to go back into old shit just to get him back on your side. Right. famous enough i don't have a reset thing you know i can't do the noise or some shit yeah so i gotta go back into old shit just to get them back on your side right um yeah so plugging away doing that and you're able to do it i mean you fight through right yeah and then like you know but that's when things really actually started happening ironically what i get a call this

is so nuts man from ryan seacrest productions yeah i don't know how they found out about me but they want to do a show about a comedian for A&E who doesn't live in L.A., doesn't live in New York. You know, you sound interesting. Let's have a meeting, right? So I take a meeting about where I live and all this stuff. And at the time, my wife was pregnant, and we were upstate, and we were living upstairs.

We sold our apartment. We were just temporarily living upstairs from my in-laws. They have a big house with a separate apartment. Oh, so you live close to them? Yeah, that's where I moved in. Oh, okay. Yeah, my wife wanted to be near them. So we're living upstairs from them just until the kid was born.

Then we're going to decide if we want to stay there. So they want to do a reality show about me living there. And the pilot will be on with my in-laws. And will I stay or will I go? Right. So my in-laws are like 78, right? And I go up to them and I'm like, listen, I need everyone to wrap their heads around that you're going to be in a reality show for Ryan Seacrest.

You're not even going to ask him, you're just going to tell him. Yeah. Oh, my wife's like, I don't know if they want to do it. I'm like, Jack, nobody, there's no more choices here, right? I'm in my late to early 40s. This is go time. You jump. Everybody's jumping.

Wrap your head around it, right? So now they're going to do a big Skype thing to see if we're going to do this, right? Yeah, yeah. So I have a Skype party with all the possible people that might be in it. Yeah. And we're all upstairs. And one by one, they come down. They do a Skype interview with the A&E people.

Right. And then some make the cut. We like your friend Jeremy. Oh, we don't like this one. Yeah. So then they're going to come. They come out with a crew of like 11. And dude, it's so crazy. You got to sign these these contracts like my father-in-law being 70 he's a

big deer hunter and he's got all these he's made a deer chandelier out of all deer antlers they make him sign a contract saying that if the show goes and he decides to make deer antler chandeliers and sell them that they get 25 of all sales of deer antler chandelier the guy's fucking 70 years old he's not making deer antler chandeliers what do we even do so it was like it was it was not the way i'd want to make it but i was resolved to have it be that way it had to be but then it was just so contrived like they're gonna i'm gonna go hunting with my this was the pilot i'm gonna go hunting with my father-in-law and in-law i shoot the gun and they don't think i'm safe with the gun so they give me a bow and arrow and i'm walking through the woods with a bow and arrow it's like it's so duck dynasty

bullshit did you do it i mean i filmed it uh it didn't go anywhere i mean i have the pilot but you know of you with the bow yeah it's it was so embarrassing man there's a little local parade a memorial day parade and we go and we pretend we all watch it and they go and the guy like

will be on camera the director off in the distance on a mic going my friend Jeremy's behind me he goes ask Jeremy if he likes the parade

ask him if he came when he was a kid and I look up Jeremy did you used to come to this when you were a kid and he's like yeah sometimes I mean

I drink beer and smoke pot with Jeremy I don't go to the Memorial Day parade with him. This is so gay. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so ridiculous. But there's things in your life, though.

Oh, God, you do. I don't do anything, right? Well, no, I did a fucking, I hosted a game show. After the first divorce, before mission of the first marriage, I had nothing. I'm bankrupt. And VH1 wants to do this remake of a game show that's in England that never mind the Buzzcocks thing. Oh, yeah.

And I got to be honest with you. I had no choice, man. I needed the money. It was like 75K for all 13 of them, whatever. Wow. It was going to pay out. Yeah. And I tell you right now, I couldn't explain the rules of that fucking show right now if

you asked me. I couldn't explain the rules of that fucking show right now if you asked me. I was up there. I didn't give a shit about any of it. They thought my attitude was right. There was no money involved. It was just like an improv game. It was just a joke game show. There were no stakes.

And I had no idea what the fucking rules were or what the point was. I'm like, where are the cards? There's Coolio. he's one of the guests you know and it was crazy i got physically ill during the shooting i got diarrhea that i almost died from i think like and i think it was all mental because i couldn't live with the fucking idea of it that's a decent money man that's it i but you know the beauty of it was what is that i was it was it didn that it didn't go anywhere. I don't even think they showed most of them.

So I got paid out and I got a few nice suits and I made the money and I was able to get out of the divorce with a little bit of savings. But man, when I was in New York during that first marriage, dude, I thought I was finished because I was, you know what else I was doing? What? I was doing segments for the Metro channel. That was a local New York channel. It wasn't even for the Metro Channel. That was a local New York channel. It wasn't even like a big channel.

It was a local New York cable channel. And I'm doing these segments where I... It was my idea. I take a desk onto the street in neighborhoods, and I'd interview people from the neighborhood, like a talk show on the street. And I did a shitload of them for another, I don't know, 20K or whatever.

But then I'm laying there. I'm still doing coke. I'm in a marriage that stinks, I don't know, 20K or whatever. But then I'm laying there. I'm still doing coke. I'm in a marriage that stinks because I don't want to be in it. I'm just waiting to die in my bed. But my brain was like, maybe if I could get my own show on the Metro channel. You know, I can make this shit work. I wanted to die. I wanted to fucking die.

Oh, man. The things you convince yourself could maybe this could be the thing, man. But it's worse. I guess this is the thing. You know what I mean? You don't really want it, but somehow in your brain, you're like, I'm going to make a fucking living. What else am I going to do? Yeah, well, yeah.

Right. So you're like, maybe I can live with this. I never thought this is the thing. It's sort of like i guess this is who i am i guess this is what i gotta do this is the level of my talent yeah because i'm gonna you know walk around new york with a microphone going how you doing that fucking idiot well it's also funny they actually thought the show would have legs man you're like're like, you know, I mean, but that's like, I was around three guys once that were all warm-up backs for various, one did Rachel Ray, one did Martha Stewart,

and another- But those guys get coverage, they get unions. That was it, one of them said, because one time Martha Stewart bought me a boat, and the other two were like, wow, and then the other one goes, well, so-and-so got me this, and then the third one goes, Rachel Ray gives me medical benefits, and the other two guys go like fuck the boat you get medical holy

shit like that like with medical that would be the job like there's so many isn't it amazing sometimes how a comic accomplishes something yeah that they're so happy and excited to have accomplished where you're like i would i would really kill myself if after all these years that's all i accomplished but i'm almost jealous of you for being happy about that being enough because that is not enough for me man i mean i definitely relate to that because you know i was staring down you know the barrel of the tunnel of total darkness you know after the second divorce and i'm like what the fuck yeah what the in like I've been there so many fucking times in my life and then like you know like the only thing that saves you is a new bit sometimes yeah like you know what I mean it's like I don't know what the fuck I'm gonna do and

then you get that new seven minutes you're like I'm all right this is working but then dude but the president the thing about the president is because you're the kind of guy that would even dissect it to the point where people have performed at the White House. You're taking it to a whole new history level. The president came to you. I know. I mean, that's it. Checkmate, baby. Unless Billy Burr gets the pope, you win.

I mean, right? Joe Rogan gets the pope, that's it. Otherwise, that's it, man. I mean, wait. Did he use your bathroom, by the way? No, but he left the cup. It's right here wow i'll tell you the one great thing and i appreciate my success and i i i like that it was on my own terms

and i'm grateful and i like what i'm doing oh here we go though let's see some old marin now baby i came for this it's just that like you know is that you know i don't fucking have to do it i know right dude i just like and i'm just starting to appreciate that. It's like, no, I'm not going to play any improvs. You know why? Because they didn't give me fucking nothing ever. Why do I want to sell drinks for them? I don't need to do it. Like, I'm all right.

You know what? And now because the media landscape is so fucking fragmented, they don't know what they're doing. No one knows what they're doing. I know exactly what I'm doing. You know who my boss is? Fucking me. That's it, man.

That's it. That's the dream. That's why when my dad was going to become a partner, he was nervous about doing it. And he always says, my mom is like, he's like, should I do it? It's risky. And my mother goes, to be your own boss?

Are you crazy? Of course you should do it. And you know, it's good to know, you know, I'm not saying the improvs, but the idea of like, you know, we all as comedians have these things that like, if I ever make it, F this thing or F that person, you know. But I'm always afraid if I ever really make it, like have some kind of crazy level of success, that I'm going to be so happy, I'm going to forget my anger towards certain people.

That's not bad. Well, no, actually, I'm inspired to know that, you know, you still hold on to some of it because you ain't doing any improvs. Well, it's just weird because like- I want to hold on to it. I don't want to lose it. people deserve it well it's just a respect thing like there's this idea that like you know you eat all this shit for all this time and then it's like you know i'm not louis i'm not a huge star but i found my own little world here you know and i got my audience i got my niche but then there are these people that like really didn't help and and really you know weren't not very nice and they didn't treat you well and

they didn't treat other comics well yeah and and you know then all of a sudden you know they're like well you ready now i'm like no why would i do that well yeah i mean it's just a self-respect thing yeah and and and there's there's not many of those but there's a few because i love doing comedy clubs and there's some people that run great clubs i like independent clubs you know i just did i i just did the first small theater thing recently and that was good but i still like going i'll work for uh helium i'll work for sure for comedy works in denver and you know there's other clubs that that i like you know that i that i i'd like to go back to but they're just like there's some of there's some people in this business where you're like i don't fucking why would i do that

because you just work the numbers in your head like maybe 10 years ago if i had that opportunity you'd be like oh i'm fucking doing it but now it's sort of like i don't need to do it yeah but i mean have you ever taken it to the level without saying any names or anything where i i aspire to do that but to say you know what have that person call me directly and then when they get on just go just wanted to get you on the line to personally say yeah go fuck yourself you know what i mean or do you just do it second hand leave it at that right well i mean i i think i've said it on here but i but it just becomes this weird you know there's a little more freedom now to you know it's sort of like because it doesn't seem like any of them really know what they're doing some guys you know that we know and we love you know for whatever

reason who the hell knows in any you know given profession or at any given moment or they're just fucking huge and they own the world and they make a lot of people a lot of money. I feel like I earn an honest living. You know what I mean?

I'm more than that, dude. Yeah, but you know, it's like if someone's offering me too much money for something, I'm like, yeah, maybe knock a little off of that

because I don't know. No, no, no, you got to get it for the back end when you didn't get it back in the day when you deserved it. It's like when you're doing 65

because there's a cop next to you, once he gets off, you're going to do 85 to make up for the 75 you couldn't do i'll think about it yeah man it's for the back pay but you came out you had a deal for a while right you did something uh well no you know i had very various levels where i've never sold until last year uh finally i had another another showrunner and a great team, and I pitched to all the networks as I've done in the past. And I got to tell you, man, like I remember pitching to CBS back in the day where like –

You must be great in the room, though. They must love you. You must be one of those guys who are like, this guy's fucking great, and you leave, and you're like, so what happens now? Where's my – You know, I like to think I kind of got to that point because years ago I'd be very nervous and stuff,

but I left the room in CBS. Yeah. Because I even came in to start it out with, they were building a construction site next door. I go, what's going on over there? And they go, oh, building another garage. And I turn around to the head guy, I go, another garage? How many pitches are you hearing a day

that you need another seven-story fucking garage in this place? I go, holy shit, let's just toss a coin, see where it lands. Something like, let's just spin the wheel, see where it lands. And the idea was being like, does it matter what I say right now? Right. And then we went into it, and I had this great pitch, and the point is I get on the phone with my wife afterwards, and I said, listen, I go, I'm always honest with you, baby,

how things go and stuff. I go, if they don't buy this, then I don't get this. I don't know what, I need to know what they're buying. Because everybody was dying about, so they did. And then we wrote it and then it didn't go. And listen, that part of the story, why are we even talking about that? I may as well tell you how close I came on a lot of tickets last week.

No, no, but it's just part of the fucking business. But then you were working with Brewer for years, right? Doing the radio show, that was a lot of fun. The thing with that is I busted my balls and i love doing that and i thought they would give me a show when we would stop doing ours and they didn't and i was so ticked at them i mean jim nothing he was great he was what an opportunity and stuff but i was really ticked at serious because i laid it all on the line for that so then you know i was making good money and i you know i was able to work out of the city and grow and make my first special that way.

But, you know, then I had to, when that radio show ended, I'm hitting the road playing clubs that guys have been playing now for four or five years. Yeah. And I'm just starting to build that relationship. Yeah. You got a little draw out there? Some places. Florida. Florida's real good to me because they're all New York kind of people.

That's weird because that's the one place where I'm like, I can't go down there. Well, it's so ironic. I don't want to be there, but there's people that like me there. I don't even know how to draw an audience there. Really? Yeah, because I'm like an alien. I think most of the kids that would like me, they're like, we got to get out of Florida. We can't stay.

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's just like I did the hard rock once and it was just like, oh my God, what happened here? Yeah, but what's it like for you now that was the last improv I played but it doesn't matter

because the beauty of you the dream is like you can just go down down the hill and stay in town and only go for an expensive gig

if you want but it's what's it like when you can actually walk into a club and you're bumping people your necks is that like magical

I don't do it I mean you to do it like maybe not the first guy but the two i'm not waiting all night here i don't i'm not really that guy and i never feel like that guy like if i go to the comedy store i put in my veils you know and i do my spots and if i'm gonna come in if i need to run six minutes i'll call i did like you know even if i go to new york i don't even know who to call or i always fuck up the days i gotta put in my veils at the cellar. It was only like a month ago I said to know him.

I'm like, you know, I never know what the days are. You're like, I always fuck up and I never know sometimes. He's like, just tell me when you want to come on. Yeah, dude. But I still feel weird because you know why? Because no matter who the fuck it was that did that when I was waiting to go on it bothered me oh of course it was part of it man

it bothered all of us but I didn't so I don't do it sometimes I felt like you know guys they'd be hanging out at the cellar and then they'd want

to go on right before me I'm like I swear I feel like that motherfucker waited until it was my turn you know and I know he didn't

but I felt you just I'll go up and tell him like if I see Chris Rock I'm like can you just wait oh man I'm going on next can you just can i just wait you know what i mean and like or if i see chappelle come i'm like when's he when's he going on because i'm gonna go fucking home well come on but what about the flip side because even now when you go when i walk down the street there'll be three guys one of them will be like walk maron the other two and i'm fine with

that and you're not because if you were you wouldn't have brought it up and that's cool no no I am because I know that's where it is you still need that a little don't you need that a little that's what drives you I like it but like you know I don't know if I'm ever going to get those guys and I'm happy that there are people that get me yeah you know because that was quite a few but the thing is

is like and I always knew it wasn't going to be a lot because just from what you were saying it's like whatever the hell I was doing when I was a kid you know it's it's roughly the same thing and so it was always sort of a fight but i in some part of me i said there's got to be people like me and i think that ultimately because of the podcast it wasn't necessarily comedy people like i would get people coming to my shows who listen to the podcast they're so like we should go support mark i've never been to a club before so like it was this whole new thing yeah i don't think a lot of them are like we're gonna go to comedy every week they're like you know they're the people that know me from the thing the other thing i

was gonna say though though is honestly when you're in a club and you're hanging out let's say you're in the city maybe a cup of coffee going to club if they don't say hey you want to pop on is there a party when you leave going nobody's asking me no i don't i don't even expect to be asked i don't see it that way i would be i would be a little i mean like what club any club any comedy club you walk into at some point somebody who works there should come up and go would you like to go on mark marcos will do that over at eastville yeah yeah no any club would do that with you come on i guess maybe i maybe I don't do that enough. Maybe I should go try it a little bit. I imagine I could do that.

But maybe I don't think I really acknowledge what my place in the world is. Because I don't think to do that. I think I didn't call in. Either that or it's like you're almost like I always deserved a parking spot in front of the studio. And now you have it and you don't even want it. I just felt I deserved it. That's all. And that's a good place to be but i do have that like like if someone asked me to come do something or you want and i'm like there's no place to park why the fuck am i gonna why am i doing this like it does that that happens but it's more that like

that kind of shit like there's no there's nothing like you know i can't just get food here you know like it's stupid shit yeah but the sort of going on thing yeah i i that wasn't a big i i think the big payoff for me and i don't know just talking to you as a friend was just you know finally really enjoying doing it like i think you know i just had to do it for so long and i had to do it i just like i'm going out every night i'm gonna do three sets and then at some point like five years ago i'm like i can't wait to get out there that's great but that took 20 years and that's the payoff like you know i like i'll go to a place where i'm working and i'll go look at the stage before the people come in even sometimes when there's people in there i'll go in the back of the room just to look at the room and feel how they're feeling you know what i mean

and like i'm gonna get up there and do it i mean they work hard all week they save up their money they get i mean they're getting dressed up talking about how I'm going to get up there and do it. I mean, they work hard all week. They save up their money. I mean, they're getting dressed up talking about how they're going to see you. That's it. Yeah, now like, I really think like,

you know, now it's totally different because I'm like, I hope I do a good show for them. Before it was like, oh, fuck, what am I going to do with these people?

Oh, that's too bad. This is going to be a disaster. I would just look at the room and be like, oh, fuck. I'm fucked. There's no way. Yeah.

The whole fucking time. That's so great, though, that it came all the way back. And again, that leads me back to the beginning of this whole thing and how it had to happen for you because then I could feasibly see it never happening for me. But because it was certain guys where I'm like does it really like not happen for someone who's great i mean my dad told me the cream always rises to the top eventually all that shit you know and finally and when it did happen for you boy did it explode to the point where the presence here so you know it just it just always gave me faith and i plug away dude that's like my second special i'll never stop doing it and guys like you have always inspired me man well thanks man i think

you're great and I'm happy we got to talk I'm ecstatic bro this has been fantastic for me I got a flight home now when are you going home? I got a 1010 oh you're going now?

yeah alright well I love you buddy thanks for coming are you kidding me? thank you can I just say I got a podcast too

a little thing with Sebastian sure of course called the Pete and Sebastian show with Sebastian Mascaraco I like Sebastian so much I hope he knows that I like him yeah well you had him on, man. I mean,

that speaks volumes. I know, but he's another one of those guys that's sort of like, I don't know if we'd hang out day to day, but I always like watching him.

He's a real character, that guy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's very funny. And that's all that matters, man, right when it comes to comedy. Absolutely.

I'm wanting to watch the guy. Because when people are like, what is this guy? I'm like, just watch him. He's got a way about him. I don't know what it is, but want to watch the guy. Because when people are like, what is this guy? I'm like, just watch him. He's got a way about him. I don't know what it is, but he's really that guy. You will laugh.

You will laugh. Both of you. Thank you, man. Thanks, man. Thank you. That was fun, right? Pete Correale, again, his Showtime special, let me tell you. Still on Showtime.

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